IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-04-24

qwazixOr just tell people to copy/paste to wmo when they stumble on articles, and hope that all useful info get copied before they delete it00:01
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: (archive) yes, we do!00:06
DocScrutinizer05there's skeiron for that, first approach00:06
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DocScrutinizer05174 results on ->search: "maemo"00:14
DocScrutinizer05dunno how much of that already got backup'd on skeiron00:15
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: please place a **FAT** election announcement on (and eventually share the midgard admin login URL to techstaff)00:16
GeneralAntillesIt's a privilege of your account00:16
GeneralAntillesIt's not an admin URL00:16
DocScrutinizer05which account?00:16
GeneralAntillesMy personal account.00:17
DocScrutinizer05the must be an URL of some kind00:17
GeneralAntillesIt's the Midgard toolbar that pops up when you login on maemo.org00:17
DocScrutinizer05errr, so how else are you accessing it? via ssh?00:17
DocScrutinizer05uhuh, so the URL is, with JS enabled00:18
Woody14619aYes, but that top bar changes quite a bit when you have privs... just saying.00:18
Woody14619aAnd depending on what area you're in...00:18
DocScrutinizer05that's why I'm asking "which URL (aka area)?"00:19
DocScrutinizer05NFC where to look and what to look for even00:19
qwazixGeneralAntilles, here's the banner I had made for the previous elections, if needed
DocScrutinizer05I might have all the privileges of Mr Kernigan and still wouldn't know how to edit00:19
qwazixMaybe chem|st could pop it up on tmo too...00:20
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xesput it in the logo ;)00:20
DocScrutinizer05I could for sure grant myself whatever privileges I want, in midgard's friggin db00:21
DocScrutinizer05still I need to know where to look for what, to see if it had any effect00:21
Woody14619aAll changes happen in that top bar.  By area I meant, for example, I have the ability to post in the "Community Blog" area.  I do NOT have the ability to post in the main page area, nor the ability to edit layouts.00:21
DocScrutinizer05xes: OOOHF*CK! "beta"????00:22
Woody14619aAnd admin should have that ability.. all in the top bar, everywhere.00:22
n900-dkIMO the referendum should also be highlighted in some way.00:22
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: fine, so I have to look for a "post2 button there?00:22
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: fine! where?00:23
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, it's still beta00:23
DocScrutinizer05yeah, LOL00:23
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: mo and tmo00:23
DocScrutinizer05rather omega00:23
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: sorry, I don't know what highlight you mean00:23
DocScrutinizer05inverse colors for background/foreground text on the word elections?00:24
n900-dklike 'please place a **FAT** election announcement' - same for referendum00:24
DocScrutinizer05sure, I subsumed referendum under elections00:25
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DocScrutinizer05thanks :-)00:26
n900-dkok, then we agree :)00:26
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GeneralAntillesForgot there's no preview.00:27
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I got a "article"->"edit"00:31
GeneralAntillesThat'd be the one.00:31 > Home of the Maemo community > Edit00:31
DocScrutinizer05Edit Frontpage article: Home of the Maemo community00:31
DocScrutinizer05URL name (internal)00:31
DocScrutinizer05Title *00:31
GeneralAntillesObject locked. :P00:31
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DocScrutinizer05first news in ~4 years00:36
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DocScrutinizer05ok, 2, to be fair00:36
n900-dk\o/ - keep them coming :)00:36
Woody14619aSo... What I want is to get that menu to un-grey Website->Midgard Administration UI. :)00:36
qwazixfunny, it gives me an option to "break the lock"00:36
Woody14619aSince that's where the plugin crap is likely screwed... (amoung other places.)00:37
n900-dkhow long will it take for new account to be able to request for vote token?00:37
Woody14619aUntil I finish the option to add it.00:37
DocScrutinizer05wtf everything locked by Ryan abel?!00:38
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qwazixbtw, This object was locked by Joerg Reisenweber. Lock will expire on 04/23/13 22:34:37.00:38
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, ^^00:38
DocScrutinizer05midgard my ass00:38
GeneralAntillesGoddamn Midgard is obnoxious00:38
GeneralAntillesLogging out. . . .00:38
Palilook here:
Palithere are some urls for package manipulation00:39
GeneralAntillesWoody14619a, mine's ungrayed, but I don't have access to anything I can make sense of in the Administration UI. . . .00:39
sixwheeledbeastIt's not in the "News" section, more buried in the Announcement section.00:39
GeneralAntillessixwheeledbeast, the News component is broken, sorry.00:39
GeneralAntillesI don't think anybody here has the permissions needed to fix it.00:39
sixwheeledbeastIt's no problem thought I'd point out it only has small real estate on m.o main page00:40
Woody14619aI think it's less a permissions  issue than it is a know-how issue.  Midgard is not exactly well documented.00:40
Woody14619aEsp not the old version we're running.00:40
GeneralAntillesThat, too.00:42
GeneralAntillesI'd dig around more to see if I can get to the News stuff, but I might lock everybody out forever. :D00:42
Paliwow, I found this:
GeneralAntillesBe nice if we could upgrade.00:42
qwazixPali, wow00:43
freemangordonhmm, and why am I allowd to edit it?00:44
DocScrutinizer05I added "news" item00:44
qwazixWho has permissions to this? Everything seems editable to me.00:44
DocScrutinizer05crappy, admittedly00:44
Paliqwazix, me too00:44
qwazixShit, and now it's on the irclog00:45
DocScrutinizer05are you guys nuts?00:45
qwazixOne can nuke our repos00:45
DocScrutinizer05yeah great!!!00:45
DocScrutinizer05you suckers!00:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: security by obscurity?00:47
Paliwe can change how many score is needed to promote extras-testing package :D00:48
qwazixI found this "The Ragnaroek LTS generation of Midgard is supported until October 1st 2013. "00:48
n900-dkCould date and time be added to the mo news "Referendum Voting Open"?00:50
qwazixOkay, is there a way to redact the url from the irclog?00:51
qwazixBecause there doesn't seem to be a way to lock that page, edit metadata throws 40400:51
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DocScrutinizer05ok, sorry, I had to stop www00:57
DocScrutinizer05great job!00:57
DocScrutinizer05techstaff tries to find a way out of this mess01:01
DocScrutinizer05thanks to all who contributed01:01
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for +q01:16
DocScrutinizer05had to stop some users from typing without thinking01:17
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n900-dkguess voting is on pause then :)  I will get back to it tomorrow01:26
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Macerwhat type of video does the n900 support?01:35
Macerjust typical h264?01:35
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aaahmy n900 won't boot01:41
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aaahi had it turned off and plugged into the wall01:41
aaahi guess that's what caused it?01:41
aaahit won't even turn on01:41
aaahi just see a little yellowish colored light when i plug it into the wall, momentarily01:41
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mrselloutqwazix, re:midgard. I read that line about support ending in Oct 2013, but that contradicts the midgard website...01:46
Macerhow does the pay by the day work for tmobile? anybody know?01:46
Maceri mean do they go by minutes?01:46
Macerlike if you talk ? :)01:46
qwazixmrsellout, what does the website say?01:46
mrselloutMidgard1 8.09 Ragnaroek LTS is a Long Term Support version of Midgard1 for which bug fixes and minor feature improvements will be supplied by the Midgard community until October 2012.01:46
DocScrutinizer05aaah: you probably ruined your rootfs01:47
DocScrutinizer05the device tries to boot into cherging mode and hangs on it01:47
DocScrutinizer05charging even01:48
mrselloutI've been thinking about setting up a wiki page, as quite a bit of the infra is running on older s/w01:48
mrselloutnow some updates might well be unnecessary, but there will probably be some that contain security fixes01:49
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Macergoing to wait to activate this 2nd sim .. i will do it when my heart monitor shows up for the e7 heh01:49
qwazixmrsellout, :nod:01:49
DocScrutinizer05aaah: your probelm would be that you can't reflash your rootfs without charged battery, and you can't charge your battery (in N900, usually) without working rootfs01:49
DocScrutinizer05mrsellout: great spotting!01:50
Macerdamn. i forgot fmobi is broken on the n900 lol01:50
mrselloutobviously some poor sod would have to carry out those updates01:50
mrsellout*looks at DocScrutinizer05 *01:51
aaahso, what do you recommend doing, docscrutinizer05?01:51
qwazixaaah, if you can find an external charger, nokia 5800, nokia X6 or nokia N810 (probably other models too) you can charge your battery externally01:52
qwazixand then reflash\01:53
DocScrutinizer05get an external charger, or a bl-5j compatible phone, and charge battery. OR get a new charged battery (spare never is a bad thing to have), OR wait for somebody talking you thru a yet untested method to charge flat battery via rescueOS01:53
DocScrutinizer05meh, qwazix beat me to it01:53
DocScrutinizer05though N810 doesn't work too good01:53
qwazixN810 takes a bigger battery but works and charges fine with N900 battery01:54
qwazixyou just have to make sure battery doesn't leave it's place01:54
aaahi really wish i'd never bought this phone01:55
qwazix(now that I remember DocScrutinizer05 is right, -as always-, I had to shave off a little bit of plastic to make it fit)01:55
kerioaaah: did you buy it recently?01:56
aaahit's brand new01:56
aaahi still have the box01:56
aaahi will gladly sell it01:56
aaahi bought it for $20001:57
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aaahif i don't have rescueOS i can't do options 1 or 2, can i, docscrutinizer05?02:03
aaahi basically need to find a compatible phone or battery...02:03
aaahugh... what a headache02:03
Macerfmobi is still broken02:03
Macerguess this is what you get when running obsolete stuff :)02:04
kerioaaah: rescueOS is loaded via usb02:08
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aaahsorry, i'm just so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, i can't even talk about how i'm going to fix this... i might as well get off IRC because all i want to do now is trash talk the n900...02:10
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Macerah well02:23
Macerguess i can do the facebook sms shit02:23
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DocScrutinizer05aaah ragequit, embarrassed by own fuckup of his rootfs02:29
DocScrutinizer05first those lusers go like "OOOH! GIMME that stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, so I can mess with it!"  Then when they fucked up, they are "so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone"  *SIGH*02:30
nox-well, charging dependent on working install is not so nice a feature id say...02:31
nox-imagine a laptop that wont changer if windows doesnt boot...02:32
DocScrutinizer05granted. Nevertheless ame never happened to me during 4 yeras, on 2 active 24/7 devices02:32
nox-...and that wont work w battery taken out02:32
DocScrutinizer05go nuke the bios of that notebook and you'll see that other devices have similr bootstrapping problems02:33
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to nuke your bios on laptop, and you're not supposed to nuke the rootfs of your N90002:34
infobothmm... handbrake is a GPL'd multi-platform, heavily multithreaded DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. HandBrake was originally available on the BeOS, but now has been ported over to MacOS X (with GUI) and to GNU/Linux (CLI only).02:34
nox-except that the latter happens easier than the former02:34
DocScrutinizer05unlike your laptop, N900 can always recover02:34
Maceris there some info on video settings for hb?02:34
Macerie: what to scale the videos to etc?02:34
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Macerdoesn't the video player have a "stretch" optino?02:37
Macerso just turn off weighted p-frames02:38
Macerand encode it at its max res and i should be good?02:39
Macerlet me try it :)02:39
DocScrutinizer05anybody else thinks "TMO IS DEAD"?02:40
Maceri wouldn't say that02:42
Maceri thought it was a bit active tbh02:42
Maceralthough... in general has gone incredibly slow since the move. no offense. just seems a bit laggy02:43
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Win7Macalive & kickin, DocScrutinizer... ;-)03:37
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Macermy video didn't play :-/04:11
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Macerlet me try encoding it with the preset they have on the wiki04:15
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n900-dkStupid get vote token "The e-mail address and username you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted."08:04
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DocScrutinizer05you got a mail with a mail-addr and a token08:35
DocScrutinizer05please c&p both to the according fields in voting page08:36
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n900-dkno, I tried to get a token08:39
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n900-dkregistered yesterday on, but login fails on, but works fine on gmo08:41
Sc0rpiusI guess you can't vote unless you're older than 3 months08:42
Sc0rpiusI mean your account is older than 3 months08:43
n900-dk;) ahh, I see08:43
DocScrutinizer05you're free to send a mail to council, as suggested before08:44
n900-dkok, thx08:44
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n900-dkbut it is correct that an account on gmo should also work for login on mo?08:45
DocScrutinizer05err, not exactly08:45
Sc0rpiusno I guess it's not08:45
DocScrutinizer05for some strange reason they may differ08:46
Sc0rpiusI even have different users for garage and for tmo08:46
Sc0rpiusI mean usernames08:46
n900-dkbut I registered on mo, but account onyl works on gmo08:46
Sc0rpiusthough somehow the accounts are linked08:46
DocScrutinizer05I strongly suggest to use same username and passowrd on all accounts/logins, or you go insane08:46
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DocScrutinizer05tmo is completely differend story08:48
DocScrutinizer05there's at least one account on bmo, on gmo and on tmo08:49
DocScrutinizer05possibly mo is yet another one08:49
DocScrutinizer05bmo account is via mail-addr08:49
DocScrutinizer05tmo is completely unrelated08:50
DocScrutinizer05though you can link your tmo account into gmo08:50
Sc0rpiussomebody earlier said that since the migration all is laggy but I do not agree08:50
Sc0rpiusactually I get faster speeds from the repositores than before and the builder is way faster08:50
n900-dkI just dont understand how to register on mo then? The Register-button on mo is for gmo.08:50
Sc0rpiusBUT tmo is slower08:51
Sc0rpiusbut tmo != maemo.org08:51
Sc0rpiusit's just a little part of it08:51
DocScrutinizer05well, then the both should be identical08:51
DocScrutinizer05possibly needs syncing back from gmo db to www08:52
DocScrutinizer05which is a job that eats 6GB of ram for 30min08:52
DocScrutinizer05thus we don't currently run it via cron08:52
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Sc0rpiusI just checked and my account is the same than the  account08:53
DocScrutinizer05I see the issue now08:53
DocScrutinizer05sync job is neutered08:53
Sc0rpiusbut totally different to the tmo account of course.08:53
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Sc0rpiusso the sync job is not in cron anymore?08:54
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: please stay patient, I'll try to prod my tech guys into finally doing sth with that snc job08:54
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: exactly08:54
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Excellent :)08:54
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DocScrutinizer05if nothing happened to fix stuff during next 24h, please pester me again, i'll run the job manually then08:55
n900-dkI will08:55
DocScrutinizer05WTF uplink 84Mb/s09:08
DocScrutinizer05somebody really hammering hard maemo.org09:10
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DocScrutinizer05mhm, back to 5609:12
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XATRIXCan anyone advice me some app as advanced call manager/history, to view detailed log of every incoming/outgoing call made ?09:59
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XATRIXHow many incoming/missed calls was maid , what time rach call was registered...09:59
n900-dkXATRIX: I like Extented Call Log10:00
XATRIXLet's see10:01
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you'll need the patches to eventdb, see10:09
DocScrutinizer05>> ## find original at  <<10:10
DocScrutinizer05# execute or source this to fix the missing end-times in eventslogger db10:11
DocScrutinizer05# thanks hcm @
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: are these patches for Ext Call Log?10:28
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DocScrutinizer05get and execute in in a rootshell on N90010:31
DocScrutinizer05after that you could as well delete it, as you probably won't need is again soon10:31
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XATRIXOk, thanks for a notice!10:43
XATRIXok, executed and removed10:44
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infobot:), DocScrutinizer0514:34
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anthoniedoes anyone know why karma voting doesn't work in the maemo garage?15:08
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Maceris there no m3u8 stream support for maemo?15:25
anthonie@macer, yes it's supported15:26
Macerdoesnt seem to be15:29
Macercan the browser not pass it off to video player?15:29
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anthonieperhaps if you add it as an internetstation to the mediaplayer but I am not sure about that.15:31
Macerlet me look it up15:32
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anthonieI thought the number 8 in m3u8 was a typo and that you were talking about m3u. my bad...15:39
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anthonieit does appear that hls-player supports m3u8 though...15:41
anthoniealso, have a look here:
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Macerno i mean the streaming format15:56
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anthonieyes, it's on git15:58
Maceri skimmed through that post and saw some script etc15:59
Maceri just want to stream videos :-/15:59
Macerad-droid does this fine out the box15:59
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anthoniemaemo is not droid...16:03
* kerio uses livestreamer, even on his computer, for most of the streaming sites16:04
kerioactually no, only for twitch.tv16:04
keriobut it supports more than that16:04
kerioit's a python program that uses rtmpdump and your video player of choice16:04
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zammyhi all17:06
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zammyI am new...17:08
zammyI would some information...17:09
zammyis nokia n900 still developed17:09
zammyand it's still good ?17:09
zammyor in retirement17:09
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zammyI mean nowdays there is meego... lime or tizen17:10
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zammyI mean I am so confused... not I bought on ebay a nokia n900 I would know if I have a wrong thing17:10
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zammydid I mistake ?17:11
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kerioi still use a n90017:18
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zammyso it's cool I was afraid that n900 and maemo was not still in development17:24
zammythat was old and dead17:24
zammywell now its cost is lower... I buyed one n900 and soon I will be able to use it... I am googling and I see a lot of cool stuff17:25
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zammyanyway can n900 have other OS and upgrades in future right?17:27
zammyonly thing I find that's a bad... maybe there is no 4g extension...17:27
RaimuNokia doesn't do anything for n900 anymore, but users are making little improvements.17:33
freemangordonRaimu: little? :P17:35
RaimuOkay, massive huge improvements. :D17:35
RaimuBut not like you can turn your n900 into a fighter jet Transformers style... yet17:36
freemangordonRaimu: aah, that kind of improvements. yeah, correct :)17:59
freemangordonRaimu: BTW did you try to revert that initrd-thingie to stock version to see if it fixes BM?18:00
freemangordonor you can;t boot to try it18:00
RaimuI can't, because I didn't have a timely backup and there's no .deb to install over it.18:00
freemangordonRaimu: what .deb do you need?18:01
zammybut does maemo still have a lot of years of life?18:02
freemangordonzammy: accordin to some guys it is a zombie for the last 3 years :D18:02
zammythat's the same result as you search on google about it18:03
freemangordonso it is already dead in that regard. though yoiu may check the threads on TMO about what is the real status18:03
Raimufreemangordon: The stock initrd-thingie. :)18:06
zammyand so what? freemangordon did I mistake buying a n900?18:06
RaimuNah, depends on what you want to do with the device. :)18:06
freemangordonzammy: depends. if you are happy with it, then not18:06
* n900-dk would love a 4g extension , but odds are zero :)18:06
zammylol that's all?18:06
zammyI am happy18:06
zammyyes fucking happyu18:06
freemangordonyep, that's it18:07
zammymaybe a portable router for 4g?18:07
zammywould that work?18:07
freemangordonRaimu: can't you just get it from skeiron?18:07
infobothmm... mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new18:07
zammythen we shall wait that n900 evolves it self18:08
zammylike transformer18:08
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freemangordonRaimu: nogoogle
RaimuOh, I just didn't find a place to get it from. Will try right away!18:09
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freemangordonRaimu: not sure this is the correct (read last stock) version, but I guess so18:10
n900-dkzammy: As long as you didn't buy the n900 for gaming and all the new apps, you see on android and iOS.18:10
freemangordonn900-dk: "all the new apps"?18:10
freemangordonthere are newer fart apps? cool :P18:11
RaimuHow about that maemo sex app someone suggested on tmo18:11
RaimuOh right, nobody programmed that :D18:11
freemangordonRaimu: honestly, I was thinking this is a real app18:11
freemangordonis it not?18:11
n900-dkwell, you know - all the apps in google play and app store18:12
Raimufreemangordon: Reverting to stock initrd-stuff corrected everything. Confirmed.18:12
freemangordonok, boo on Pali then :D18:12
RaimuWell, that's an easy cure for something people once again blamed cssu-thumb for.18:12
freemangordonRaimu: you know, never fear :P18:12
freemangordonRaimu: though... next time... DO NOT MAKE A SYSTEM UPGRADE WITH CSSU-devel ENABLED :)18:13
freemangordonkerio: ^^^18:13
keriowhy not18:14
kerioit's fun18:14
RaimuYep! But at least I had a general ballpark idea as to what went wrong.18:14
n900-dkespecial commercial stuff, bank, goverment apps and so on will only be developed to android and ios18:14
freemangordonRaimu: yep, thanks18:14
kerioit's not like i use backupmenu anymore, anyway18:14
freemangordonkerio: why not, wasn't it a "must have"?18:14
keriosure, but nowadays i know how to fix shit18:15
kerioand besides, it won't work correctly, i have an ext4 /home18:15
freemangordonI see18:15
kerioi should probably make some backup scripts for rescueOS though, i do that manually18:15
kerioperhaps i'll call it... *backupOS*18:15
Raimulos backupos18:15
freemangordonkerio: rescueOS can be booted from uSD, correct?18:15
keriobut the initrd way is much cleaner18:16
kerioit's just a file in /opt/boot18:16
freemangordonok, that's good to know. time to install u-boot I guess18:16
kerioyou'll have to run it manually, if you want to run it from the uSD18:16
kerionot sure how, i can't quite grok the uboot console18:17
freemangordonlike "run mmcboot"?18:17
keriothose are pre-made configurations, but idk what they need18:17
freemangordonoh, wait, I don;t need u-boot, if I screw it somehow, I can just flash it18:17
keriothat, too18:17
kerioexcept s/flash/load/18:17
freemangordonyeah, that one too18:18
xesfreemangordon: i have reflashed one N900 and i can't remember if there was a way to set the  /sys/power/sr_vdd1_dsp_boost at boot18:20
freemangordonxes: /etc/pmconfig?18:21
freemangordonoh, wait18:21
freemangordoncreate a script in /etc/event.d18:21
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freemangordonxes: ^^^18:21
xesfreemangordon:  ok, thanks! ..but "kernel-config load" could reset it?18:22
freemangordonxes: it knows nothing about it. IIRC18:23
freemangordonI guess you should play a bti18:23
freemangordonbit even18:23
xeslet's play.. ;) The problem was the usual dsp overclock and their voltages requirements not aligned with core voltage18:24
xesbtw, thanks!18:25
zammyn900-dk, what's the problem if n900 can support multiboot18:25
zammyand have also android18:25
zammyalso all fart apps with google play18:25
infobotwell, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED18:25
keriomultiboot is a horrible concept with a horrible implementation18:26
zammywell seriously... I don't care... I am not the common customer who wants a fashionist mobile phone18:26
zammyI prefer the horrible multiboot18:27
keriothen you are wrong18:27
kerioobjectively, and provably wrong18:27
zammybut I think... as you can add a lot of repository... you won't need to have google play18:27
kerioif you want to load multiple OSes, use a /bootloader/18:27
sixwheeledbeastzammy: avoid multi-boot/Nitdroid, if you want Android get a droid device.18:27
n900-dkzammy: well, it's not a problem. I never tried nitdroid, but guess you would miss a lot of features18:28
zammyand dualboot only?18:28
sixwheeledbeastboot only Maemo this is what the N900 was designed for :)18:29
zammyyes... I know18:30
zammyso I think too18:30
keriomultiple OSes work, just don't use multiboot18:30
zammyI have read a lot of google stuff regarding n90018:30
zammybut if tizen works...?18:30
totalizatorhow do you think - is it safe to have old N800 charging with an usb cable 24/7? as a photo frame etc.18:30
zammytizen is the new open source mobile phone OS18:31
sixwheeledbeastzammy: is your friend18:31
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kerioi thought the n800 didn't charge via usb18:31
DocScrutinizer05totalizator: I do that with a n810 since ~3 years18:32
zammyI will try some new update to tizen as soon as It will be possible18:32
zammyonce I got tired from maemo and/or maemo is dead I will try tizen on n90018:32
DocScrutinizer05also what kerio said18:32
DocScrutinizer05(I'm using the barrel plug charger)18:33
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totalizatorDocScrutinizer05: omg, ty! exactly what I wanted to hear18:34
n900-dkzammy: IF it will be possible ;) My guess is it never will18:34
zammyexplain why please18:35
zammyI am waiting for it... I guess all18:35
n900-dkwell, just my gut feeling :)18:37
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zammylook... I am pretty sure as long as you would be generally able to install ubuntu 12.04 on it... you can install ever tizen...18:38
n900-dksur, but will it work?18:39
infobotn900-dk meant: sure, but will it work?18:39
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sixwheeledbeastzammy, how do you expect to link all the closed blobs together? It maybe made to sort of work, but what's the point.18:45
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zammysixwheeledbeast, I don't expect anything... I am waiting for my n900 to come between my hands... then I can continue to dream after played for a while with it18:47
keriohow much did you pay for it?18:48
sixwheeledbeastdream being the operative word...18:50
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zammyI payed 140€18:53
zammybut used18:53
keriosounds about right18:54
zammyI am glad you think that18:54
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sixwheeledbeastdoes sound ok, have you checked all the hardware?18:57
zammyyes all included18:58
zammyit's not cool like a hackerbox but it's a standard and original n900 and with all accessories inside18:58
zammyand I took time to make him shoot more photos to look at... before to accept the deal18:59
sixwheeledbeastsorry I mean the devices "features" i.e modem, ir, wifi, slider ok, not a copy etc etc18:59
zammyit's not fake18:59
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zammyit's as new18:59
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zammyI spent enough words...19:00
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n900-dkzammy: What phone will your upcoming n900 replace?19:01
zammyI don't think it already exists19:01
sixwheeledbeastgood, there are a good few fake copies in circulation and probably and equal amount of genuine one's with issues.19:02
zammywe will see19:02
n900-dkI meant, what phone do you hav today :)19:02
zammyI have a nokia 5800 xpress music19:02
zammyit makes a lot of stuff... really satisfiable...19:03
zammyI am interested to customizable features about phones... that's my purpose on buying this n90019:04
sixwheeledbeastyou will like Maemo then coming from a 580019:05
zammymy brother lost his own phone and so I will gift my xpress music to my bro while I will have a cool n90019:05
zammyI am pretty about that...19:05
zammyI think all ppl who buys a nokia wants the customizable stuff... instead now... since nokia has this fucking lumia with windows mobile inside... as OS WHAT THE FUCK19:07
zammyI am praying day and night that God will make nokia more open source and ever less windows immobilized19:09
SpeedEvilnot in the short term at least19:10
sixwheeledbeastyour not the only one there ... but yet again another dream19:11
SpeedEvilNokia has tied their fortunes firmly to windows19:11
SpeedEvilhowever insane that may be19:11
SpeedEvil#jollamobile is comprised of some of the open source people at Nokia19:12
SpeedEvilwho are announcing hardware soon19:12
zammythen no hope to get a new open source OS made for nokia... right?19:14
zammysamsung has its tizen19:14
zammyI will betray nokia for samsung in future after nokia n900 then19:15
zammylet's hope as later as possible19:15
SpeedEvilI would be surprised to see any new open source release from Nokia before someone buys it19:15
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SpeedEvilthe fundamental problem is that the duopoly is now even further entrenched.19:16
SpeedEvilwhen the n900 came out. or when the n9 did, there were several more OSs around, not just (mostly) two19:17
zammyyes then smart tv too and then born the google glass so then all to focus on the fucking google/samsung company19:18
zammyis the opensource well payed?19:20
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zammysomehow I think it's all a 198419:20
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SpeedEvilopen source payment is a fun issue19:28
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n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Yah, my gmo login now works on mo, so syncjob seems to work now, thanks to you and your tech guys! Still not able to get vote token, but guess it's because of 0 karma. I will just follow the elections from the sideline :)19:52
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kerion900-dk: this election is open to all (for voting)19:58
kerioWoodya: ^19:58
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n900-dkok, then I will have to find someone to pester with non-working get-token.php19:59
n900-dkI will try with an email to MC maillist20:00
hoph0pHi, I remember having read on tmo that somehow it is possible to start/stop charging from the command line, just can't find it anymore. Does anyone remember any details?20:00
hoph0pI'm running kp52 and latest cssu-thumb, btw20:01
Macerthis fmobi dev just pretty much "stole" my $220:02
Macerwith this non-functional non-maintained garbage20:02
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* Macer will pirate from now on20:02
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DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: send a mail to council@m.o20:08
Macerwho do you send mail to in order to have an app removed from the ovi store?20:08
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: see
DocScrutinizer05and #1 in there20:08
DocScrutinizer05err, this:
DocScrutinizer05>>Eligibility criteria will likely remain the same as they have been, in as much as feasible. There is, however, a modifying circumstance: * account registration and login has been broken for months, until recently; furthermore, karma is /still/ broken, with a significant number of members missing a significant amouht of karma.<<20:11
DocScrutinizer05>>we think it is infeasible to manually count the karma for every user who might be eligible to vote. So unless there is a serious volunteer effort to calculate everyone's karma by hand, we will treat all accounts older than 3 months as eligible for this election only<<20:12
DocScrutinizer05>>If people with newer accounts think they ought to be eligible to vote (for example, you would have registered earlier but it was impossible to do so at the time because the system was broken), please contact the Council by either responding to this message or, preferably, by emailing<<20:13
keriohoph0p: it's not that easy20:15
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hoph0pkerio: It doesn't have to be easy :)20:16
sixwheeledbeastMacer: don't use ovi store especially for non-free apps20:17
kerioeither you start using bleeding edge stuff (aka, Pali's bme replacement)20:17
DocScrutinizer05I think you need to specify your purpose for that20:17
Macersixwheeledbeast: yeah i know that now20:17
Macerafter losing my $220:17
Macernever agagin lol20:17
kerioor you `stop bme` and then keep spamming bq24k via i2cset, to prevent it from starting the emergency charge20:17
Macerthen people wonder why the small devs don' tget anywhere20:17
hoph0pDocScrutinizer05: me?20:17
Macerbecause they make people pay for shit they don't maintain20:17
sixwheeledbeastbut I20:18
keriofwiw you don't really need the whole bme replacement20:18
Macersixwheeledbeast: is there even anybody to complain to? can you write to nokia and have them remove fmobi from the ovi store?20:18
DocScrutinizer05and I don't see why you need to stop charging either20:18
Maceri mean it's pretty much someone selling a broken app20:18
keriojust stop bme, modprobe bq2415x_charger, echo off > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a/mode20:19
keriobut really, why do you need to stop charging?20:19
hoph0pI have a 'battery pack' (by sistech, in case anyone wonders, sorry, no link handy atm) that doesn't charge my n900 right away20:19
hoph0pso I would like to /start/ charging manually :)20:19
hoph0pOr at least try if that works20:19
DocScrutinizer05starting != stopping20:20
sixwheeledbeastMacer: I don't think there maintained any more, if they are it's nothing to do with community20:20
DocScrutinizer05go for my simple charger script20:20
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hoph0pI'll try to explain20:20
Macersixwheeledbeast: ok. i will see if i can contact nokia20:22
hoph0pIf I plug that batpack in the n900 sometimes detects an USB event and offers that pc suite selection dialog20:22
sixwheeledbeastMacer: good luck.20:22
hoph0pBut it never actually starts charging20:22
Macersixwheeledbeast: hey... better than doing nothing20:22
Macerand letting another gang of chumps buy a lemon app20:22
DocScrutinizer05that's because of that battery pack has charger signalling for iPhone20:23
sixwheeledbeastI agree something should be done. Go for it.20:23
keriohoph0p: bme replacement or that script will allow you to "force" the charging20:23
DocScrutinizer05hoph0p: yep, what kerio said20:23
keriowhich is probably what you want20:24
keriounless your batpack complains about that20:24
hoph0pNow if I connect a google nexus to that pack, and then quickly remove the nexus and connect the n900 before the batpack switches itself off, it charges the n90020:24
hoph0pOk, I will give it a try20:24
keriosounds fun20:25
keriohm, i wonder if a "dumb" cable could fix it20:25
hoph0pIt also works if I first charge the n900 from a wall charger, then quickly switch to the batpack...20:26
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DocScrutinizer05battery pack switches off?20:27
freemangordonkerio: most probably he is using "dumb" cable, that is why it does not work20:27
keriofreemangordon: a "dumb" cable won't let the n900 detect anything but a short on D+-20:27
DocScrutinizer05sorry, your battery pack is too braindead smart20:27
DocScrutinizer05charging on N900 will "stop" every now and then, for a few seconds, particularly at start where it calibrates to battery state20:28
DocScrutinizer05if you rpack detects that as end-of-charging and switches down, too bad but not N900's fault20:29
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DocScrutinizer05you could use a powered USB hub and connect a second consumer to make battery pack detect load during initial phase of N900 charging20:30
DocScrutinizer05I hate it when they do this20:31
DocScrutinizer05mmph, 8 short of 4k on tmo20:38
DocScrutinizer05should I cool the champagne?20:38
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n900-dkDid any of you guys find a (new) way to make grooveshark work on the n900?20:44
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DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: you've seen my comments about eligibility to vote, above?20:47
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hoph0pbloody h*ll, this wifi sucks20:49
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Yes, just follow up on the comments now. You still think I have eligibility to vote - I just created my gmo/mo account yesterday, so I don't expect to have karma20:49
hoph0pso, I was saying that charging works with your script, DocScrutinizer05, dunno if that came through20:51
hoph0pthanks a lot! :)20:51
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: please re-read20:52
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: we ignore karma20:52
hoph0pre: dumb cable, I'm using the nokia-supplied one for lack of a dumber one20:52
DocScrutinizer05we however *will* do some checks to rule out fake identity duplicate registrations20:53
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: ok20:53
DocScrutinizer05so links to other maemo related locations where you showed up before would help a lot20:54
DocScrutinizer05e.g tmo account20:54
DocScrutinizer05hoph0p: nice that it works20:54
DocScrutinizer05hoph0p: with "dumb cable" kerio meant a cable with D+- (white and green wire) shorted20:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is it against the rules to make parents and friends register?20:56
hoph0pyepp, I don't have access to one here, unfortunately20:56
DocScrutinizer05no, but they most probably can't prove they are around for >3 months, and thus will not receive a token mail for vote20:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: kerio: my bad then, I though "dumb cable" is the one that DON'T have D+/- connected20:57
freemangordonas I would name the "connected" on a "charger cable" or something20:57
DocScrutinizer05I didn't use that term, but I read it as that20:58
hoph0pso I guess the script will stop charging if the battery is full? What if I kill the script. Charging appears to continue...20:59
DocScrutinizer05it stops after 30s20:59
DocScrutinizer05and yes, charging stops once battery is full AND you don't have too high system power consumption21:00
hoph0pOk, great21:01
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n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: anyway, how often will the gmo->mo user syncjob run now? Guess I should follow your advice and stick to the same username across all mo21:01
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DocScrutinizer05however check the script (I just don't know off top of my head), you might need to `stop bme` manually before starting script21:01
DocScrutinizer05sync job now runs once a day, at 2:00UTC21:02
DocScrutinizer05we're tweaking it still21:02
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hoph0pYes, it doesn't stop bme. What if I didn't stop it manually? :)21:04
kerioshit would break21:04
keriobut not that bad21:04
n900-dkcool, maybe it could check for new users every ~10 mins or so, and only sync if any changes21:04
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jacekowskiit's syncing more than just new users21:06
sixwheeledbeastRaimu: you beat me to it :)21:06
sixwheeledbeastto many are using cssu-devel as software updates... grr21:07
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: that's one of the options we evaluate21:07
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: good point, it also needs to run when a user joins a project21:08
DocScrutinizer05aka group21:08
DocScrutinizer05catching all those triggers on garage might get tricky, we should follow the diff approach21:09
DocScrutinizer05creating the csv is lightweight, diff/cmp of two csv as well21:09
DocScrutinizer05should catch all changes21:10
DocScrutinizer05monster job only runds when csv's differ21:10
DocScrutinizer05if they don't, all that's done is creating new csv (on garage, right?) and a utterly lightweight cmp21:11
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loindoes anyone know where the sms database is stored?21:23
Paliloin, looks into some .rtcomm folder21:24
Paliit is in sqlite database21:24
loini only have .rtcom-accounts21:24
loinwhich has an empty .conf file21:25
lointhat's it21:25
qwazixloin, see #harmattan21:25
qwazix<qwazix> loin maybe try searching for tracker sparql commands21:26
lointhanks qwazix, didn't have much luck there :(21:26
n900-dkloin: you don't have /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ ?21:26
loinn900-dk, nope21:26
Paliloin, n900 device?21:27
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loinPali, n921:28
Paliloin, bad channel21:28
Palithis is for n90021:28
Paliask on #harmattan21:28
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qwazixI do wonder however why .rtcom-accounts is still there but empty on harmattan...21:29
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Palimaybe old harmattan version used some maemo rtcom libraries...21:30
Paliand they forgot to remove all files/dirs21:30
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, bad channel21:31
Palihas somebody fast C function for converting uint32_t with rgb565 color to rgb888?21:31
* DocScrutinizer05 recalls why he usually reads backscroll from bottom to top21:31
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DocScrutinizer05I've seen sth, plai. But that's ages ago21:32
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: dunno if it's useful21:34
kerioPali: well, isn't it just a bit (sic!) of bit manipulation?21:35
Palikerio, it should be, but I do not know how are that bits stored in rgb56521:36
kerio...5 for red, 6 for green, 5 for blue?21:36
Paliand order and mapping?21:36
Palion input you have 5 bits and on output you have 8... so what to do?21:37
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keriomultiply by 8?21:37
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keriodivide by 2**5, and multiply by 2**821:38
keriothere's not really much else you can do, you only have 5 bits of information21:38
keriook, it's not precisely that actually21:40
kerioyou should multiply by 255 and divide by 3121:40
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keriothis seems fast21:41
kerioMUL, ADD and SHR21:42
DocScrutinizer05rgb888 = (redmask << 8) | ((redmask<<3)&0x070000)21:46
Paliok, but I have one uint16_t var21:46
keriowhat's redmask?21:46
DocScrutinizer05sounds much like gibberish21:46
kerioi stand by my link21:47
DocScrutinizer05that is from your link, just 2 posts down21:47
kerioi liked to an answer21:47
kerioyou're the one that went all "ooh i'm going to use my SCROLLBAR"21:48
kerioPali: grab the most significant 5 bits21:48
kerioit's like v >> 1121:48
keriogreen is v >> 5 & 6321:49
kerioblue is v & 3121:49
DocScrutinizer05Pali: use a array[65535] LUT21:50
kerio"ram access" and "fast" in the same phrase21:51
kerioyou're so funny, joerg21:51
DocScrutinizer05well, depending on your CPU the 128k will even fit into L2 cache21:53
DocScrutinizer05even L1 on some CPUs21:53
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Drathiranyone know korean or similar languages to check this ?
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how the F to actually *edit* a page like http:/maemo.org22:26
Sosicathat "zh-cn" means it's chinese... and it's meego, so try asking in #harmattan22:26
DocScrutinizer05particularly footer there22:26
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: any hints on ^^^ that?22:31
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thedead1440Drathir: that is a n9 browser and i remember it was released when the n9 was just out; pretty useless at that time...22:32
infobotTimRiker is my owner22:32
infoboti guess infobot is me, // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker22:33
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DocScrutinizer05\o/ 4k thanks22:34
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, no.22:35
DocScrutinizer05CMS, my ass22:36
DocScrutinizer05midgard, devil's ass22:36
* DocScrutinizer05 <---karmawhore22:38
thedead1440indeed DocScrutinizer05 compares thanks ratio like noone else :D22:39
DocScrutinizer05at times I been at 7/post avrg22:39
DocScrutinizer05warfare beats me hands down, with 10 or more22:39
thedead1440haha i was going to say that22:39
thedead1440your kitchen beat me ;)22:39
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DocScrutinizer05kitchen!!! makes me glare out of my kitchen window into our garden and watch my friend, neighbour, and landlord doing BBQ.22:45
sixwheeledbeastmmm, charred chicken...22:46
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warfareSo, get some dead meat and put it on the bbq :)22:46
* DocScrutinizer05 still has a steak in the freezer22:46
DocScrutinizer05in winter I already pondered roasting it with my hot air gun22:47
warfareSo, out with you, get some beer & steak.22:47
DocScrutinizer05cya o/22:48
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thedead1440finally he goes :D22:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: solder your steak!22:52
Drathirthedead1440: oh thanks for info22:52
Drathirlol thats must be a joke...
sixwheeledbeasthe'll be back...22:53
thedead1440Drathir: lol22:54
Paliok, now colors in text2screen should be fixed22:55
kerioPali: so it was your fault!22:55
Paligoing to push updated deb package into cssu-devel22:55
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Drathirmatters its work again...22:56
Palikerio, I did not know that text2screen needs as param color in rgb565 format and not in rgb88822:56
keriowhy would that lead to backupmenu getting stuck, though?22:57
Palino idea22:58
Palibut I saw bad colors22:58
Drathirhow stable is thumb or devel tree?22:58
Paliand now colors should be same22:58
Palias in orig version22:58
kerioDrathir: cssu-devel is not a cssu flavour22:59
kerioit's just a repo22:59
kerioit's as stable as something called "devel"22:59
Drathiror maybe ask that how often on devel or thumb after update device cant boot?23:00
Drathiror that sytuation dosnt happen?23:00
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kerioit happened once, that i can remember23:05
keriobut it was fixed shortly23:05
kerio*shortly afterwards23:05
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Drathirkerio: oh thats nice enough to check how to move to devel repository...23:35
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: cssu-devel is considered full of flawed stuff that is still under heavy development and generally not working23:35
keriocssu devel is for internal use only23:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: go the hell away, you have a steak to eat23:36
DocScrutinizer05nah, that's frozen at -22°C23:36
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thedead1440kerio: +123:40
sixwheeledbeast-22 that's one hell of a frezzer.23:40
thedead1440+b him :p23:40
keriothat's not a freezer, that's germany23:40
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sixwheeledbeasta BBQ in -22, no thanks.23:42
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DocScrutinizer05makes me recall i've seen a bottle in that freezer23:53
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DocScrutinizer05indeed, a forgotten bottle with a glassfull  of frozen Absolut23:54
keriooh, so the vodka is ok, but the steak is not?23:55
DocScrutinizer05shaking it a little makes it flow out of the bottle like ketchup23:56
DocScrutinizer05actually hardly 20ml23:57
DocScrutinizer05but tasty23:57
DocScrutinizer05and gone23:57

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