IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-04-22

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merlin1991sixwheeledbeast: you can check
merlin1991and the actual changes in the packages from the testing list ;)00:03
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sixwheeledbeastIt's the changes that need filling in, I found the changelog.00:07
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ron0062000msg <merlin1991> <to speak to anybody what is the comand>00:50
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Drathirthere is any ca-cert updates?01:22
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ron0062000merlin: what is the command to speak to anybody01:29
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DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: private chat between two?01:36
DocScrutinizer05/query <nick>01:36
GI_Jackron0062000, /msg01:36
GI_Jack /msh <nick> message01:36
GI_Jack /msg <nick> message01:37
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ron0062000so dose anyone know when truecrypt will be update01:54
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GI_Jackron0062000, whats wrong with ti01:59
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ron0062000want open 4 new user02:00
ron0062000and it"s gone from rep.02:01
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ron0062000sorry I mean drop box02:02
GI_JackI still got a local copy on my n900 so I'm gonna back it up reall quickly02:02
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* Luke-Jr is tempted to post a self-nomination for whatever these nominations are for, and unsubscribe <.<02:08
Drathirwhat about dropn900 ?02:09
ron0062000it's gone02:10
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Drathirmean app DropN900 why gone? any reason? security issues?02:10
ron00620004 new user02:11
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Drathirany info about that security issues?02:22
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ron0062000how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 anyone?02:53
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ron0062000any information on DropN900?03:12
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DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: mode +1?03:21
DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: what do you mean?03:22
Drathirmode +1?03:22
Drathirlol sorry....03:22
DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: you can ask me almost everything about n900 xchat03:22
DocScrutinizer05but I don't know what you want to do03:23
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DocScrutinizer05btw you might want to use my xchat config files for a basis, some users found them useful03:24
ron0062000well when i log in it says set mode to +1 with n90003:24
DocScrutinizer05probably you mean "ron0062000 has set mode +i"03:25
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DocScrutinizer05like that >> [2013-04-21 05:03:41] [Mode] You have set personal modes: +i <<03:26
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ron0062000i don't know how to set mode03:27
DocScrutinizer05why do you want to set mode?03:27
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ron0062000it tell me to03:27
DocScrutinizer05no, it tells you that you already did03:27
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DocScrutinizer05the mode is lowercase I03:28
DocScrutinizer05gh I jkl03:29
ron0062000will yahoo mail work next mouth on n90003:29
DocScrutinizer05not 103:29
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DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: you can get general help with /help03:33
* Drathir have user +Ziw channel +Cfjnt03:33
DocScrutinizer05ron0062000: and help about modes you can set, with /help umode03:33
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ron0062000what about yahoo mail?03:34
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DocScrutinizer05no idea03:34
DocScrutinizer05what is with yahoo mail?03:34
ron0062000it was on phonescoop.com03:35
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ron0062000aha yes aha no?03:38
DocScrutinizer05aha nfc03:39
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
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DocScrutinizer05>>when starting xchat it prints "You have set personal modes: +i" - what does this mean? What do I need to do about it? I have googled but couldn't find an answer<<03:45
DocScrutinizer05^^^ good question03:45
DocScrutinizer05>> how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 <<03:46
DocScrutinizer05^^^ not so good question03:46
DocScrutinizer05>>will yahoo mail work next mouth on n900 - it was on <<03:47
DocScrutinizer05^^^ poor question03:47
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filhow does one get hold of scratchbox these days, or is there a new approach for building maemo packages now?  (it seems that all the links for scratchbox I have stumbled across on the wiki are dead)05:29
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bef0rdthere's a mirror05:40
bef0rdI can't remember05:40
bef0rdsearch maemo logs for scratchbox.org05:40
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infobotwell, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
nox-maybe that has it06:03
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DocScrutinizer51what's wrong with
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DocScrutinizer51~ip scratchbox.org06:37
infobotaw, gee, DocScrutinizer5106:37
DocScrutinizer51~dns scratchbox.org06:37 is
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infobotsomebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at
DocScrutinizer51~factinfo scratchbox06:39
infobotscratchbox -- created by andersee <> at Mon Feb  9 23:58:38 2004 (3359 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 55s ago.06:39
DocScrutinizer51I really wonder what "al links seem to be dead" means06:42
bef0rdI only get "it works here"06:44
bef0rdThis is the default web page for this server.06:45
bef0rdwant screenshot?06:45
DocScrutinizer05>>jOERG 20130405<< ;-D06:47
DocScrutinizer05I'll change this for a proper notice, eventually. i promise06:48
DocScrutinizer05or ask thedead1440 to fix this mess, he's scratchbox maintainer06:48
DocScrutinizer05~scratchbox is also hosted by now, maintainer thedead144006:50
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay06:50
DocScrutinizer51meh, sleep is overrated anyway06:51
infobotit has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, or hosted by now, maintainer thedead144006:52
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DocScrutinizer51anyway, if anybody has a html mirror of, pretty please share it, the backups we got are missing that completely. Also the wiki06:57
DocScrutinizer51also mail archives06:57
DocScrutinizer51the original maintainer been not that cooperative06:59
DocScrutinizer51oooh, great07:02
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer51: I've added a one-liner to index.html to point to downloads at ~/debian10:41
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amospallahi guys, is it safe to recalibrate battery with kp52? mine has 1050 mAh full charge, and n900 starts complaining about low battery when it is still at 550 mAh or so14:51
kerioof course it's safe15:01
kerioit won't do you any good, but it's safe15:01
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keriounless you're using the bme replacement, in which case you should already know how bq27k works and how it's used15:02
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amospallaI've got bme-rx-51 installed, can I benefit from recallibration?15:08
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rikaneeamospalia: if your battery meter isn't calibrated, it helps a bit.15:11
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kerioamospalla: you've got what installed?15:12
rikanee(assuming your battery is slightly worn out, and thus lost some charge)15:12
DocScrutinizer05pali, write up a goddamn wiki page about bme replacement, so users have a *chance* to understand what it's all about!15:14
amospallakerio: it is a package from 2010, maybe not related15:15
cityLightsmaybe anyone here know lirc?15:15
cityLightsI can't get any response at #lirc15:15
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DocScrutinizer51cityLights: what's the problem?16:18
cityLightshi DocScrutinizer , I am able to get a reading using mode2 and no readings using irrecord16:19
cityLightsI read the lirc "how to add new remote" and made sure no ambiant noise16:20
cityLightsyet when I run irreconrd no code is sensed16:21
cityLightsirrecord did sense each button and adjasted the eps and aeps16:21
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cityLightshere are the codes:
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vi__How would I best say in German:16:45
vi__Please include the cost of postage with DHL.16:45
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Win7Macvi__: "Bitte das Porto für DHL berücksichtigen."16:54
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vi__Thank you.17:08
Win7Macmy pleasure. "berücksichtigen" actually means "consider". "include" would be "inkludieren" instead, which is not so common...17:15
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Win7Macgood site: http://dict.leo.org17:16
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filDocScrutinizer51: "all links seem to be dead" was prompted by: which points at which is dead17:48
filalso on there's a link to -- also dead17:48
filI came across a few other things that seem to have rotted, which I cannot remember -- is there an up to date Getting Started guide anywhere?17:50
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filI think the virtual image approach seems like the least effort, so if there are still live images available I'd probably go with them17:52
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DocScrutinizer51fil: thanks, this is broken then. I hope for thedead1440 to look into it18:33 is known to be dead18:34
infobotskeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
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Woody14619Win7Mac, didn't see you here.  Mailed you on TMO.  Go check it. :)18:50
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Win7MacYeah, just discovered IRC over the WE and gave it a go...18:53
Win7MacI already answered you, everything is in place18:53
Woody14619Yay. :) Thanks.18:54
Woody14619May pester you later today to see if you got e-mail. :)18:54
Win7MacMany thanks and yeah, go pester me...18:55
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Win7MacWoody, while you're at it, on, when I click on "vistit subscriber list", I get "maemo-community roster authentication failed." - pending approval?19:39
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Woody14619Win7Mac, Just logged in with my credentials, and it seems to be working.  That may mean the password you're using is wrong.20:05
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Woody14619Win7Mac, To get an email confirm with your passwd is... not obvious.  You need to go to unsubscribe with your e-mail and on the unsubscribe page it has a link to remind your of you password.20:06
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Win7MacWoody, got it now, sorry. Problem was field "adress" had username preloaded so I didn't  realize mail is needed instead there... Now it works. I'd rather see usernames on that list...20:27
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer51: Still using your n900?20:41
DocScrutinizer05every day20:42
DocScrutinizer05hi Shapeshifter, long time no see20:42
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer51: hello :)20:42
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't you be a nice council candidate?20:42
DocScrutinizer05or at least you could become a nice council member - right now you're a tad detached usually, it seems20:43
ShapeshifterOh I'm not so sure. I'm still using my N900 but I'm starting to get a bit bored. Plus I'm growing envious of the maps/navigation capabilities of Android these days...20:43
DocScrutinizer05I know what you mean20:44
ShapeshifterFrom what I gather, there are still plenty of things missing on Android that I like about Maemo but in some regards, Maemo 5 is showing its age.20:44
ShapeshifterPlus I'm super busy with other things. But I like to pop in every now and then.20:45
Shapeshifterfull-keyboard sliders pretty much died out ...20:46
Shapeshifterwhat a shame.20:46
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DocScrutinizer05mainstream killed the pocket computer20:47
DocScrutinizer05like tablets killed the PC at large20:47
DocScrutinizer05the funnier all those (shitty crappy silly) BT clip-on hw qwerty for cryPhone20:49
DocScrutinizer05and much all the same for tablets20:49
Shapeshifteryeah it's pretty bad.20:50
DocScrutinizer05what the heck is wrong with this world: invent laptop/notebook/netbook, then replace that by shitty tablets, just to convert them to poor netbooks again, with add-on hw lbd20:50
Shapeshifterpeople love spending that extra money on accessoires20:51
DocScrutinizer05I can sell them proper laptops as kit20:51
DocScrutinizer05in 37 boxes20:51
DocScrutinizer05"hey, today I bought me an 'E'!"20:52
DocScrutinizer05"PAH! I got me a display!"20:52
DocScrutinizer05"losers! Look at my shiny CPU"20:52
DocScrutinizer05"mine even boots menawhile!"20:53
ShapeshifterI hope that in about 10-20 years we can build our own mobile gear from scratch.20:53
DocScrutinizer05I pretty much doubt that20:53
DocScrutinizer05unless printers made HUGE progress until then, printing in nanometer range20:54
ShapeshifterWell, at the rate at which electronics are getting smaller, I could imagine something like the raspberry-pi, only 1/5 the size. Add a display, cellular antenna and battery, and you're almost there.20:55
Shapeshifterwell, not *that* from scratch20:55
ShapeshifterI was more thinking about a framework (like with PCs currently).20:56
DocScrutinizer05you know pretty well the real tough thing are the braindead little parts, like case, knobs, battery, receptacles, aso20:56
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Shapeshiftermh, yes.20:57
DocScrutinizer05the modular concept never panned out for embedded, for basic physical reasons you can't change20:57
ShapeshifterI hope it's a case of "not yet". Something like the pi was probably thought to be impossible 10 years ago.20:58
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DocScrutinizer05basically SoCs and modem modules are already as modular as it gets20:58
DocScrutinizer05there's no room in embedded (logically and physically) for B2B-connectors and a small case around every single module21:00
ShapeshifterWell I for one am amazed at thing like this
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cehtehin a few years there will be an optical bus :P21:02
ShapeshifterIf the connector were smaller (something like micro-sd), you could have 10 of these connectors on the board, plugging in these weeny tiny things21:02
DocScrutinizer05cehteh: won't help either21:02
kerioin a few years, the modules will just have to be in the same room to work21:02
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cehtehprolly most, if not all stuff will be stacked together on a single package, no modules except where they are physically unavoidable (camera, etc)21:03
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thedead1440fil: for use instead21:36
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thedead1440maybe the script is older and needs to be modified21:37
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DocScrutinizer05umm, would a symlink do?21:38
thedead1440yup a symlink could be made for this but we don't know all the type of symlinks that need to be made21:39
DocScrutinizer05this looks like a start21:39
thedead1440maybe i'll read over the scripts for the sdk installations tomorrow and see the links it points to21:39
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] nomination period for MCC/HFC running out in ~24h - CONSIDER TO RUN!
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: jaffa prodding you to run for MCC/HFC :-D21:41
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, I know your time is limited21:42
filDocScrutinizer05, thedead1440: thanks, I'll give that a go21:42
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filShapeshifter, DocScrutinizer05: regarding modules. laptops etc.  seen this?  (they have a DIY laptop in progress, the PCMCIA size is bit chunky for a phone though --  if the CF size modules ever get done, that might work though)22:03
DocScrutinizer05no, it probably won't. Unlike a PC you can't use PCI for embedded plugin modules22:05
DocScrutinizer05you got way too many interface "standards" that can't all go to a single multipurpose connector22:06
ShapeshifterIt would be possible though22:06
filerm, I think you've missed the point (the modules are a SOC and supporting kit that happen to be in the shape of PCMCIA / CF -- the signals are not at all compatible)22:06
DocScrutinizer05and even if they could - what would you really save in doing stuff modular? the money you save on a non-populated module generally is more than eaten up by the increased complexity of the device at large, plus the connectors and stuff, make case with slots/appertures/removable-lid, and whatnot22:08
DocScrutinizer05same for size of device22:08
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ccxCZhm, still can't get my n900 to boot even after rootfs restore, it powercycles in the nokia screen22:34
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ccxCZiirc it was stuck at the dots originally, then I attempted to flash stock rootfs usinx 0xffff, probably destroyed something in the process22:36
ccxCZrescueOS luckily works. any ideas? I heard there's a tool to reflash n900 from inside, is it on rescueOS?22:37
infobotrumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
infobothmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
filin the sb-conf bit of the manual scratchbox install, it mentions debian-etch -- should that now be debian-squeeze?  (and does it matter that I'm doing this on a debian-wheezy machine?)22:50
gregoafil: I'm using the debian-squeeze target of scratchbox, and I'm running it on sid. worked, last time I tried. - and hi :)22:52
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filhi gregoa :-)22:52
filso do I actually need to define a FREMANTLE_X86 target (given that I think I only want this for building things for my n900)22:53
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gregoano, I had one created and dropped it after not having used it once22:54
filfine, that's what I thought22:54
merlin1991the only advantage of the x86 target is, that the simultor in there works22:55
filHmm, just got:  sb-conf: No such devkit: debian-squeeze    -- so should I be leaving that as debian-etch in that instance, or am I missing something else?22:56
filmerlin1991: ah, ok22:56
gregoafil: do you have the scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze package installed?22:57
filgregoa: I do now :-) ...22:58
filthat's better22:59
ccxCZkerio: I was reluctant to flash the full fiasco to not screw up the various firmwares, but I might have already done that :-)23:00
keriowhich firmwares?23:00
ccxCZGSM and whatever is there23:01
keriowell, it's in the fiasco image23:01
kerioisn't it23:01
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filgregoa: is this actually the easiest way of getting something compiled for Maemo? It strikes me that, what with the number of DDs who have/had n900's there really ought to be a way of just treating it as another debian arch, but presumably that's a no-go for some reason?23:34
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kerioit's... not debian23:41
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gregoafil: I guess the problem is that maemo is not debian (but a fork from 2009 with some changes and some proprietary pieces etc.)23:46
gregoafil: but I'm also surprised that the many DDs who at least had an n900 back in ~2010 didn't push more for debian on the machine. or for bringing maemo closer to debian.23:47
gregoafil: and be prepared for some fun. e.g. debhelper has version 5, and then there's a separate "debhelper7" package. - and the rest of the toolchain is also rather antique.23:48
filyeah, I know it's a fork, but if we can have buildds for BSD and HURD, how hard can it be -- we do have a couple of ARM ports after all23:49
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gregoabut no nokia-binaries in the archive23:49
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filnon-free? intaller-packages? *shrug*23:50
gregoahm, right, might work with some hacks. if nokia allowed debian to use those pieces23:52
filyeah -- I guess Nokia has not excatly been encouraging23:52
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: flash your COMBINED, then see if it boots. If not, flash VANILLA, then COMBINED again23:53
DocScrutinizer05use flasher-3.5 I'd suggest (if you have troubles anyway)23:54
ccxCZthat's what I thought, thanks. will let it charge overnight23:54
DocScrutinizer05good plan23:54
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