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merlin1991 | sixwheeledbeast: you can check https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/stable/debian/changelog | 00:02 |
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merlin1991 | and the actual changes in the packages from the testing list ;) | 00:03 |
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sixwheeledbeast | It's the changes that need filling in, I found the changelog. | 00:07 |
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ron0062000 | msg <merlin1991> <to speak to anybody what is the comand> | 00:50 |
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Drathir | there is any ca-cert updates? | 01:22 |
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ron0062000 | merlin: what is the command to speak to anybody | 01:29 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: private chat between two? | 01:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /query <nick> | 01:36 |
GI_Jack | ron0062000, /msg | 01:36 |
GI_Jack | /msh <nick> message | 01:36 |
GI_Jack | /msg <nick> message | 01:37 |
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ron0062000 | so dose anyone know when truecrypt will be update | 01:54 |
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GI_Jack | ron0062000, whats wrong with ti | 01:59 |
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ron0062000 | want open 4 new user | 02:00 |
ron0062000 | and it"s gone from rep. | 02:01 |
GI_Jack | ?? | 02:01 |
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ron0062000 | sorry I mean drop box | 02:02 |
GI_Jack | I still got a local copy on my n900 so I'm gonna back it up reall quickly | 02:02 |
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* Luke-Jr is tempted to post a self-nomination for whatever these nominations are for, and unsubscribe <.< | 02:08 | |
Drathir | what about dropn900 ? | 02:09 |
r00t|home | n900fly | 02:09 |
ron0062000 | it's gone | 02:10 |
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Drathir | mean app DropN900 why gone? any reason? security issues? | 02:10 |
ron0062000 | yes | 02:11 |
ron0062000 | 4 new user | 02:11 |
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Drathir | any info about that security issues? | 02:22 |
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ron0062000 | how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 anyone? | 02:53 |
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ron0062000 | any information on DropN900? | 03:12 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: mode +1? | 03:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: what do you mean? | 03:22 |
Drathir | mode +1? | 03:22 |
Drathir | lol sorry.... | 03:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: you can ask me almost everything about n900 xchat | 03:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't know what you want to do | 03:23 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | btw you might want to use my xchat config files for a basis, some users found them useful | 03:24 |
ron0062000 | well when i log in it says set mode to +1 with n900 | 03:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 03:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | probably you mean "ron0062000 has set mode +i" | 03:25 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | like that >> [2013-04-21 05:03:41] [Mode] You have set personal modes: +i << | 03:26 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 03:26 |
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ron0062000 | i don't know how to set mode | 03:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | why do you want to set mode? | 03:27 |
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ron0062000 | it tell me to | 03:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, it tells you that you already did | 03:27 |
ron0062000 | o | 03:28 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | the mode is lowercase I | 03:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | gh I jkl | 03:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | India | 03:29 |
ron0062000 | will yahoo mail work next mouth on n900 | 03:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not 1 | 03:29 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: you can get general help with /help | 03:33 |
* Drathir have user +Ziw channel +Cfjnt | 03:33 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | ron0062000: and help about modes you can set, with /help umode | 03:33 |
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ron0062000 | what about yahoo mail? | 03:34 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 03:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | what is with yahoo mail? | 03:34 |
ron0062000 | it was on phonescoop.com | 03:35 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 03:36 |
ron0062000 | aha yes aha no? | 03:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aha nfc | 03:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 03:39 |
infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 03:39 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | >>when starting xchat it prints "You have set personal modes: +i" - what does this mean? What do I need to do about it? I have googled but couldn't find an answer<< | 03:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ good question | 03:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >> how do u set the mode to +1 in x-chat on n900 << | 03:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ not so good question | 03:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>will yahoo mail work next mouth on n900 - it was on phonescoop.com << | 03:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ poor question | 03:47 |
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fil | how does one get hold of scratchbox these days, or is there a new approach for building maemo packages now? (it seems that all the links for scratchbox I have stumbled across on the wiki are dead) | 05:29 |
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bef0rd | there's a mirror | 05:40 |
bef0rd | I can't remember | 05:40 |
bef0rd | search maemo logs for scratchbox.org | 05:40 |
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nox- | ~skeiron | 06:03 |
infobot | well, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 06:03 |
nox- | maybe that has it | 06:03 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | what's wrong with scratchbox.org? | 06:34 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | ~ip scratchbox.org | 06:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 06:37 |
infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 06:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~dns scratchbox.org | 06:37 |
infobot | scratchbox.org is 213.128.137.24 | 06:37 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | ~scratchbox | 06:38 |
infobot | somebody said scratchbox was a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ | 06:38 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo scratchbox | 06:39 |
infobot | scratchbox -- created by andersee <~andersee@codepoet.org> at Mon Feb 9 23:58:38 2004 (3359 days); it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 55s ago. | 06:39 |
DocScrutinizer51 | I really wonder what "al links seem to be dead" means | 06:42 |
bef0rd | I only get "it works here" | 06:44 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ?? | 06:44 |
bef0rd | This is the default web page for this server. | 06:45 |
bef0rd | want screenshot? | 06:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1336508#post1336508 | 06:46 |
bef0rd | ah | 06:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://scratchbox.org/debian/ | 06:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>jOERG 20130405<< ;-D | 06:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'll change this for a proper notice, eventually. i promise | 06:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or ask thedead1440 to fix this mess, he's scratchbox maintainer | 06:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~scratchbox is also hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 | 06:50 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 06:50 |
DocScrutinizer51 | meh, sleep is overrated anyway | 06:51 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~scratchbox | 06:52 |
infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 | 06:52 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, if anybody has a html mirror of scratchbox.org, pretty please share it, the backups we got are missing that completely. Also the wiki | 06:57 |
DocScrutinizer51 | also mail archives | 06:57 |
DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ | 06:58 |
DocScrutinizer51 | the original maintainer been not that cooperative | 06:59 |
bef0rd | http://web.archive.org/web/20120929030556/http://scratchbox.org/ | 07:02 |
DocScrutinizer51 | oooh, great | 07:02 |
DocScrutinizer51 | thanks | 07:03 |
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thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer51: I've added a one-liner to scratchbox.org index.html to point to downloads at ~/debian | 10:41 |
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amospalla | hi guys, is it safe to recalibrate battery with kp52? mine has 1050 mAh full charge, and n900 starts complaining about low battery when it is still at 550 mAh or so | 14:51 |
kerio | of course it's safe | 15:01 |
kerio | it won't do you any good, but it's safe | 15:01 |
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kerio | unless you're using the bme replacement, in which case you should already know how bq27k works and how it's used | 15:02 |
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amospalla | I've got bme-rx-51 installed, can I benefit from recallibration? | 15:08 |
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rikanee | amospalia: if your battery meter isn't calibrated, it helps a bit. | 15:11 |
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kerio | amospalla: you've got what installed? | 15:12 |
rikanee | (assuming your battery is slightly worn out, and thus lost some charge) | 15:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | pali, write up a goddamn wiki page about bme replacement, so users have a *chance* to understand what it's all about! | 15:14 |
amospalla | kerio: it is a package from 2010, maybe not related | 15:15 |
cityLights | maybe anyone here know lirc? | 15:15 |
cityLights | I can't get any response at #lirc | 15:15 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | cityLights: what's the problem? | 16:18 |
cityLights | hi DocScrutinizer , I am able to get a reading using mode2 and no readings using irrecord | 16:19 |
cityLights | I read the lirc "how to add new remote" and made sure no ambiant noise | 16:20 |
cityLights | yet when I run irreconrd no code is sensed | 16:21 |
cityLights | irrecord did sense each button and adjasted the eps and aeps | 16:21 |
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cityLights | here are the codes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5592088/ | 16:32 |
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vi__ | How would I best say in German: | 16:45 |
vi__ | Please include the cost of postage with DHL. | 16:45 |
vi__ | ? | 16:45 |
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Win7Mac | vi__: "Bitte das Porto für DHL berücksichtigen." | 16:54 |
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vi__ | Thank you. | 17:08 |
Win7Mac | my pleasure. "berücksichtigen" actually means "consider". "include" would be "inkludieren" instead, which is not so common... | 17:15 |
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Win7Mac | good site: http://dict.leo.org | 17:16 |
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fil | DocScrutinizer51: "all links seem to be dead" was prompted by: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer which points at http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ which is dead | 17:48 |
fil | also on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images there's a link to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php -- also dead | 17:48 |
fil | I came across a few other things that seem to have rotted, which I cannot remember -- is there an up to date Getting Started guide anywhere? | 17:50 |
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fil | I think the virtual image approach seems like the least effort, so if there are still live images available I'd probably go with them | 17:52 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | fil: thanks, this is broken then. I hope for thedead1440 to look into it | 18:33 |
DocScrutinizer51 | tablets-dev.nokia.com is known to be dead | 18:34 |
DocScrutinizer51 | use | 18:34 |
DocScrutinizer51 | ~skeiron | 18:34 |
infobot | skeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 18:34 |
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Woody14619 | Win7Mac, didn't see you here. Mailed you on TMO. Go check it. :) | 18:50 |
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Win7Mac | Yeah, just discovered IRC over the WE and gave it a go... | 18:53 |
Win7Mac | I already answered you, everything is in place | 18:53 |
Woody14619 | Yay. :) Thanks. | 18:54 |
Woody14619 | May pester you later today to see if you got e-mail. :) | 18:54 |
Win7Mac | Many thanks and yeah, go pester me... | 18:55 |
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Win7Mac | Woody, while you're at it, on https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community, when I click on "vistit subscriber list", I get "maemo-community roster authentication failed." - pending approval? | 19:39 |
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Woody14619 | Win7Mac, Just logged in with my credentials, and it seems to be working. That may mean the password you're using is wrong. | 20:05 |
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Woody14619 | Win7Mac, To get an email confirm with your passwd is... not obvious. You need to go to unsubscribe with your e-mail and on the unsubscribe page it has a link to remind your of you password. | 20:06 |
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Win7Mac | Woody, got it now, sorry. Problem was field "adress" had username preloaded so I didn't realize mail is needed instead there... Now it works. I'd rather see usernames on that list... | 20:27 |
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Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: Still using your n900? | 20:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | every day | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hi Shapeshifter, long time no see | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:42 |
Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: hello :) | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't you be a nice council candidate? | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or at least you could become a nice council member - right now you're a tad detached usually, it seems | 20:43 |
Shapeshifter | Oh I'm not so sure. I'm still using my N900 but I'm starting to get a bit bored. Plus I'm growing envious of the maps/navigation capabilities of Android these days... | 20:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I know what you mean | 20:44 |
Shapeshifter | From what I gather, there are still plenty of things missing on Android that I like about Maemo but in some regards, Maemo 5 is showing its age. | 20:44 |
Shapeshifter | Plus I'm super busy with other things. But I like to pop in every now and then. | 20:45 |
Shapeshifter | full-keyboard sliders pretty much died out ... | 20:46 |
Shapeshifter | what a shame. | 20:46 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 20:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | mainstream killed the pocket computer | 20:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | like tablets killed the PC at large | 20:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the funnier all those (shitty crappy silly) BT clip-on hw qwerty for cryPhone | 20:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and much all the same for tablets | 20:49 |
Shapeshifter | yeah it's pretty bad. | 20:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck is wrong with this world: invent laptop/notebook/netbook, then replace that by shitty tablets, just to convert them to poor netbooks again, with add-on hw lbd | 20:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kbd* | 20:50 |
Shapeshifter | people love spending that extra money on accessoires | 20:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I can sell them proper laptops as kit | 20:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | in 37 boxes | 20:51 |
Shapeshifter | :) | 20:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "hey, today I bought me an 'E'!" | 20:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "PAH! I got me a display!" | 20:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "losers! Look at my shiny CPU" | 20:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "mine even boots menawhile!" | 20:53 |
Shapeshifter | I hope that in about 10-20 years we can build our own mobile gear from scratch. | 20:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I pretty much doubt that | 20:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | unless printers made HUGE progress until then, printing in nanometer range | 20:54 |
Shapeshifter | Well, at the rate at which electronics are getting smaller, I could imagine something like the raspberry-pi, only 1/5 the size. Add a display, cellular antenna and battery, and you're almost there. | 20:55 |
Shapeshifter | well, not *that* from scratch | 20:55 |
Shapeshifter | I was more thinking about a framework (like with PCs currently). | 20:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you know pretty well the real tough thing are the braindead little parts, like case, knobs, battery, receptacles, aso | 20:56 |
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Shapeshifter | mh, yes. | 20:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the modular concept never panned out for embedded, for basic physical reasons you can't change | 20:57 |
Shapeshifter | I hope it's a case of "not yet". Something like the pi was probably thought to be impossible 10 years ago. | 20:58 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | basically SoCs and modem modules are already as modular as it gets | 20:58 |
Shapeshifter | mh | 20:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | there's no room in embedded (logically and physically) for B2B-connectors and a small case around every single module | 21:00 |
Shapeshifter | Well I for one am amazed at thing like this http://blog.modmypi.com/2012/09/installing-wireless-usb-11n-nano.html | 21:01 |
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cehteh | in a few years there will be an optical bus :P | 21:02 |
Shapeshifter | If the connector were smaller (something like micro-sd), you could have 10 of these connectors on the board, plugging in these weeny tiny things | 21:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: won't help either | 21:02 |
kerio | in a few years, the modules will just have to be in the same room to work | 21:02 |
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cehteh | jk | 21:02 |
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cehteh | prolly most, if not all stuff will be stacked together on a single package, no modules except where they are physically unavoidable (camera, etc) | 21:03 |
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thedead1440 | fil: for http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/ use http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/hathor/main/ instead | 21:36 |
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thedead1440 | maybe the script is older and needs to be modified | 21:37 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | umm, would a symlink do? | 21:38 |
thedead1440 | yup a symlink could be made for this but we don't know all the type of symlinks that need to be made | 21:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | this looks like a start | 21:39 |
thedead1440 | maybe i'll read over the scripts for the sdk installations tomorrow and see the links it points to | 21:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] nomination period for MCC/HFC running out in ~24h - CONSIDER TO RUN! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89843 | 21:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: jaffa prodding you to run for MCC/HFC :-D | 21:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, I know your time is limited | 21:42 |
fil | DocScrutinizer05, thedead1440: thanks, I'll give that a go | 21:42 |
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kerio | kinda | 21:51 |
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fil | Shapeshifter, DocScrutinizer05: regarding modules. laptops etc. seen this? http://rhombus-tech.net/ (they have a DIY laptop in progress, the PCMCIA size is bit chunky for a phone though -- if the CF size modules ever get done, that might work though) | 22:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no, it probably won't. Unlike a PC you can't use PCI for embedded plugin modules | 22:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you got way too many interface "standards" that can't all go to a single multipurpose connector | 22:06 |
Shapeshifter | It would be possible though | 22:06 |
fil | erm, I think you've missed the point (the modules are a SOC and supporting kit that happen to be in the shape of PCMCIA / CF -- the signals are not at all compatible) | 22:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and even if they could - what would you really save in doing stuff modular? the money you save on a non-populated module generally is more than eaten up by the increased complexity of the device at large, plus the connectors and stuff, make case with slots/appertures/removable-lid, and whatnot | 22:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | same for size of device | 22:08 |
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ccxCZ | hm, still can't get my n900 to boot even after rootfs restore, it powercycles in the nokia screen | 22:34 |
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ccxCZ | iirc it was stuck at the dots originally, then I attempted to flash stock rootfs usinx 0xffff, probably destroyed something in the process | 22:36 |
ccxCZ | rescueOS luckily works. any ideas? I heard there's a tool to reflash n900 from inside, is it on rescueOS? | 22:37 |
kerio | ~pr131 | 22:49 |
infobot | rumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:49 |
kerio | ~skeiron | 22:49 |
infobot | hmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 22:49 |
fil | in the sb-conf bit of the manual scratchbox install, it mentions debian-etch -- should that now be debian-squeeze? (and does it matter that I'm doing this on a debian-wheezy machine?) | 22:50 |
gregoa | fil: I'm using the debian-squeeze target of scratchbox, and I'm running it on sid. worked, last time I tried. - and hi :) | 22:52 |
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fil | hi gregoa :-) | 22:52 |
fil | so do I actually need to define a FREMANTLE_X86 target (given that I think I only want this for building things for my n900) | 22:53 |
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gregoa | no, I had one created and dropped it after not having used it once | 22:54 |
fil | fine, that's what I thought | 22:54 |
merlin1991 | the only advantage of the x86 target is, that the simultor in there works | 22:55 |
fil | Hmm, just got: sb-conf: No such devkit: debian-squeeze -- so should I be leaving that as debian-etch in that instance, or am I missing something else? | 22:56 |
fil | merlin1991: ah, ok | 22:56 |
gregoa | fil: do you have the scratchbox-devkit-debian-squeeze package installed? | 22:57 |
fil | gregoa: I do now :-) ... | 22:58 |
gregoa | :) | 22:58 |
fil | that's better | 22:59 |
ccxCZ | kerio: I was reluctant to flash the full fiasco to not screw up the various firmwares, but I might have already done that :-) | 23:00 |
kerio | which firmwares? | 23:00 |
ccxCZ | GSM and whatever is there | 23:01 |
kerio | well, it's in the fiasco image | 23:01 |
kerio | isn't it | 23:01 |
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ccxCZ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#N900 | 23:05 |
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fil | gregoa: is this actually the easiest way of getting something compiled for Maemo? It strikes me that, what with the number of DDs who have/had n900's there really ought to be a way of just treating it as another debian arch, but presumably that's a no-go for some reason? | 23:34 |
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kerio | it's... not debian | 23:41 |
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gregoa | fil: I guess the problem is that maemo is not debian (but a fork from 2009 with some changes and some proprietary pieces etc.) | 23:46 |
gregoa | fil: but I'm also surprised that the many DDs who at least had an n900 back in ~2010 didn't push more for debian on the machine. or for bringing maemo closer to debian. | 23:47 |
gregoa | fil: and be prepared for some fun. e.g. debhelper has version 5, and then there's a separate "debhelper7" package. - and the rest of the toolchain is also rather antique. | 23:48 |
fil | yeah, I know it's a fork, but if we can have buildds for BSD and HURD, how hard can it be -- we do have a couple of ARM ports after all | 23:49 |
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gregoa | but no nokia-binaries in the archive | 23:49 |
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fil | non-free? intaller-packages? *shrug* | 23:50 |
gregoa | hm, right, might work with some hacks. if nokia allowed debian to use those pieces | 23:52 |
fil | yeah -- I guess Nokia has not excatly been encouraging | 23:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: flash your COMBINED, then see if it boots. If not, flash VANILLA, then COMBINED again | 23:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | use flasher-3.5 I'd suggest (if you have troubles anyway) | 23:54 |
ccxCZ | that's what I thought, thanks. will let it charge overnight | 23:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | good plan | 23:54 |
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ccxCZ | gn | 23:56 |
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