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DocScrutinizer05while I accept that certain form of meeting (voice etc) is mandatory for the one mandatory meeting per year or whatever, I highly doubt all meetings have to be done like that01:12
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DocScrutinizer05only those meetings that are mandatory (like, for appointing or dismissing directors, changing bylaws, etc) also have mandatory form01:13
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DocScrutinizer05for the rest of meetings, even for those declared mandatory in own bylaws, I think any form that's not in conflict to bylaws will do01:14
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DocScrutinizer05at least here in Europe you need a so called "full meeting" (with mandatory schedule like once a year) for the basic organizational stuff like electing new treasurer, director, secretary, aso. This has to be announced and be open to all members of that club or organization01:17
DocScrutinizer05everything else is up to you01:17
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sixwheeledbeastnight all :)02:11
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PaliNew version 2013.04-1 of U-Boot is in Extras-Devel13:23
Palisee TMO thread:
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kerioPali: * Do not compile U-Boot on autobuilder, but use precompiled version by my gcc 4.713:33
keriohmm, does that mean that it's less trustworthy? :P13:33
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Paliautobuilder has old gcc which do not compile uboot correctly13:33
Paliso this is only solution how to push new working uboot to extras-devel13:34
keriothat's exactly what someone who's planting malicious code in uboot would say!13:34
Paliyou can download uboot source code, compile it yourself13:35
Paliuse compiler: gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-2ubuntu1)13:35
Paligcc is deterministic, so then you should have same binary13:35
keriothat's exactly what someone who planted malicious code in ubuntu's gcc4.7 would say!13:35
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Sicelolol kerio13:36
Palithen you should not use any linux distribution (also maemo), because it has same problem13:36
kerioi think i can get as far as "that's exactly what someone who planted malicious specs in K&R C would say!"13:36
kerioPali: do you have the .bin with no kernel somewhere? or do i have to unpack the bootimg deb manually?13:37
Palikerio, did you hear about backdoor in kernighan C compiler? :-)13:37
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Palikerio, it is in package u-boot-bootimg13:38
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kerioPali: hmm, i can't disable the attachboot entry as easily anymore13:43
keriooh no nvm, i suck13:46
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kerioPali: how many times can i load the u-boot bootimg? :D15:50
PaliI do not understand... images are not protected with DRM...15:51
keriono, i mean from uboot15:52
kerioand then load it from the loaded uboot15:52
Paliah, load uboot from uboot? :D15:52
Palihow many you want :D15:52
Paliit just load image into memory and jump to start address15:52
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DocScrutinizer05gcc? deterministic? that's new17:15
DocScrutinizer05sometimes, at rising tide, on fridays, on same machine, you actually can get same binary from same source for two runs17:16
DocScrutinizer05but only when you don't run akonadi on same machine during build17:20
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I have removed akonadi server :D17:21
DocScrutinizer05aah good17:21
PaliI have my own kdepim 4.4 without akonadi and nepomuk17:21
Paliand kmail working :-)17:21
DocScrutinizer05well, I have kdepim4.4 and it *still* needs akonadi. friggin shit17:22
DocScrutinizer05and when akonadi has blown chunks once again, you notice the fact by finding your mail edit window freeze as soon  as errr you type a mailaddr in text, or whatever17:23
DocScrutinizer05it freezes completely then, and reproducably17:23
DocScrutinizer05and takes whole kdepim aka kontact with it17:24
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DocScrutinizer05akonadictl restart   helps, but will render the konsole you type it in useless17:25
DocScrutinizer05since from then on you see console spammed with diagnostic shit, despite no background job17:25
DocScrutinizer05even better: since kdepim4.4 my update handler is borked17:27
DocScrutinizer05much like apt when you install procps on maemo17:27
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DocScrutinizer05I honestly seem to get too old for that computer shit17:34
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DocScrutinizer05I feel like running a junkyard and diligently sorting spare parts in 1000s of drawers and shelf, and every now and then there comes a warning like "New update! we had to scrap all your stuff" and I end with all the pieces I sorted dumped on a huge pile unsorted to a new location. Then I start like "ummmm, *somewhere* in that pile there been a shock absorber for Toyota"17:37
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DocScrutinizer05this year I suffered from same event THREE times17:40
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DocScrutinizer05I mean I only have a huge amount (~500k) of emails. What do those who have a huge amount of mp3 or photos that they sorted and categorized with much effort, when there comes an update of tracker, or Kamera, or amaroK, or whatever. Will they shrug it away and start sorting stuff anew?17:48
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DocScrutinizer05(if you didn't notice: the above been a violent bashing of tracker, rendering it fubar by design for any serious usecase)17:51
DocScrutinizer05while I still can find filesytem drivers to loopmount images of my CP/M machines' disks, I CANNOT find a image viewer that knows about tracker db of just 4 years ago17:54
DocScrutinizer05while I most likely write a job in 5 bashlines, that copies my files incl dir hierarchy or whatever, from CP/M to btrfs, I can't find a converter from trackerdb1.0 to trackerdb1.2 (made up numbers)17:56
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DocScrutinizer05those who invented the concept of obsoleting filesystem hierarchy and hiding it under a meta-hierarchy/fs created by a sql db in tracker, those gasheads ought get executed by shooting them with warm owl shit18:00
DocScrutinizer05it's like "hey, lets augment the family name on your doorplate by your birthday and hair color and size, and then we can eliminate all street names. Letters and parcels will find their way nevertheless"18:03
Macerfmobi is still broken :-/18:05
Macerlast time i ever actually pay for software18:06
Macerreasons like that are why people sould pirate lol18:06
Macerit half ass worked like for a week.. then stopped working at all18:06
DocScrutinizer05notions like this are why software gets worse by the day, not better18:08
ShadowJKWhat's fmobi?18:10
DocScrutinizer05wordstar been more reliable, fatser, and more fun to use than any friggin wysiwyg editor like M$-Word is today18:10
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I have my *own* patched kdepim 4.418:11
DocScrutinizer05Pali: yeah, i know18:11
DocScrutinizer05I failed at building it18:12
DocScrutinizer05too many unmet dependencies18:12
DocScrutinizer05too many conflicts when trying to provide the dependencies18:12
Palithis is because of kde...18:13
DocScrutinizer05KDA4 da shite18:13
Paliyou can build everything from source18:13
DocScrutinizer05KDE even18:13
Paliso you will have all dependences18:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah, or I build suse11.3 from scratch18:14
Paliyou can use suse OBS and build all there :-)18:14
DocScrutinizer05you should think with *all* the *bashing* of friggin akonadi you can find on forums, *somebody* should've already done this18:15
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MacerShadowJK: facebook client18:21
Macerprobably the best one ever for all platforms when it actually works heh18:21
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DocScrutinizer05wtf is facebook?18:45
ShadowJKis it like myspace18:46
Maceri'd say a bit different18:47
Maceri'd say more like G+ :)18:47
Macermyspace requires that whole background and music shit18:47
sixwheeledbeastI have heard it's some imaginary place on the net, where people pretend to be friends and play silly games.18:47
Macersixwheeledbeast: no.. that's world of warcraft18:47
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Macerfacebook is more a place where i keep up with the people with whom i served in the USMC18:48
Maceramongst others :)18:48
sixwheeledbeastWoW is one game not game(s)18:48
DocScrutinizer05awesome, good bot18:48
Macerthere are side games in wow18:48
Maceri played WoW for like a couple weeks... and couldn't understand how someone could do it18:49
Macerit was very unexciting18:49
Maceri ordered a 2nd sim for my e7 so i can use it to go running :)18:50
Macerprepaid is awesome18:50
Maceri don't care what plan you can get with any carrier.. if it is an actual plan it is twice the price of 2 prepaid sims18:51
DocScrutinizer05well, facebook is very exciting - you never know when some shit happens, like a stupid applet transferring all your private data to that service, to spam others, or somebody abusing you and your account, or 13500 "friends" meet at your door for a party18:51
DocScrutinizer05so yeah, fb > WoW18:52
Macerwell.. there's awesome tricks to avoid that: 1. don't store your private data on fb, 2. don't use stupid applet 3. don't be an attention whore who friends a bunch of people you don't really even know18:52
Macercan't really blame fb for stupidity :)18:52
Macerthus far it has worked great to keep myself and my friends from the service in touch18:52
DocScrutinizer05can't really blame the virus malware for user stupidity either18:53
Macersure.. you blame the stupid user who should have known the free shit had something attached to it :)18:53
Maceroh wow! bowling santa! free!18:53
Macerattached in this facebook viagra ad!18:53
Macercommon sense issue :)18:54
Macersame for the fools who kept bitcoins in "online banks" and were shocked when someone stole them all18:54
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MacerZOMG! that russian run online bank lost all your bitcoins??18:54
kerioMacer: online wallets are somewhat doable if you do it like MEGA, with local encryption18:55
kerioaka, you run a bitcoin client written in javascript18:55
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Macerheh... hey.. just sayingn18:55
Macerobviously it didn't work out then ;)18:56
Macerand even then.. if something goes astray and the service loses the wallet?18:56
Macerit's jsut poof ... gone18:56
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kerioyeah, online wallets are stupid19:05
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Woody14619adocscrutinizer05: ping22:31
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: pong22:35
Macerall of a sudden my tmob signal seems to be shit22:36
Macerit was working fine for a while and now it drops to 2.5G in the basement or loses its signal22:36
Macerprepaid getting the sort end of the stick? :)22:36
DocScrutinizer05signal doesn't test for your contract22:37
Maceri guess that's a fair point heh22:37
Macerthere isn't a way for the tower to assign block a to antenna b with power c?22:38
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: I'd hope for any of the other council taking care about editing that mail template, I'm suffering burnout22:38
kerioPali: is there a gadget module to do usb MTP?22:40
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Pali~lart kerio22:43
* infobot gives kerio a good seeing to22:43
Palino MTP22:43
PaliMTP is most stupid protocol for usb22:45
Macerbut it's awesome for devices :)22:46
Macerno need to lock down storage in order to move files to22:47
Palisftp subsystem via IP is event faster and better22:47
PaliMTP is non sense protocol, authors shouldnt touch computers anymore22:49
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Palito not create worse disaster22:50
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Paliand ACPI is seconds22:51
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* kerio writes a rfc for ACPI over USB MTP22:59
DocScrutinizer05comment: GFOAD22:59
keriosoon, systemd will support it! mwahahaha!23:00
DocScrutinizer05you requested for comment23:00
wxcafei agree with "mtp is nonsense protocol"23:02
wxcafeand i laugh at "systemd will support it"23:02
wxcafesystemd does not support even itself23:03
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Siceloah, MTP is an M$ protocol..23:27
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