IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-04-08

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entitledhas anyone ever sanded their N900 display?00:50
entitledjust wondering if I'll screw up the digitizer00:51
cehtehsanding the display? wtf00:52
entitledwell the plastic in front of it00:52
entitledto get rid of the scratches00:52
cehtehpolishing you mean then00:52
* cehteh uses a screen protector00:53
entitledwell, yeah. but I have to start from 800 or something grittiness00:53
cehtehthe front is plastic and thats already part of the digitizer00:53
cehtehsuch deep scratches?00:54
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cehtehmay work, but prolly wont, better live with the scratches or try to get a replacement digitizer00:54
entitledwell I accidently burned the display with a cigarette00:54
cehtehand next time use a screen protector00:55
entitlednot really visible expect in light, but is annoyance when using stylus or even finger00:55
entitledthe chinese digitizers are crap :/00:55
entitledI do have one spare n900 that suffered water damage00:55
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cehtehhah you dont have much luck with your n900 .. water, fire .. whats next?00:56
entitledIf I don't find a solution to get rid of oxidation from the components, I'll use that one00:56
entitledwell it'+ my friend's old n90000:56
cehtehi'd be very carful with polishing, at least dont use a machine which makes it hot00:57
entitledwas planning to it by hand00:58
cehtehthe conductive layer is below the foil, but still you prolly never get a surface as it once was, if it even works00:58
cehtehi never heared about someone attempting to polish it00:58
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entitled800 > 1000 > 1500 > 2000 > 250000:59
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entitledwell I'll be sure to document it if I do it :p00:59
cehtehstart with 1000 or even 1500 .. if that doesnt work you can go back to 80001:00
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sixwheeled|awayOkropNick: Do you want to secure the device and lock the screen at the same time?01:15
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OkropNicksixwheeledbeast: yes01:19
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sixwheeledbeastOkropNick: Do you know your lock code?01:20
OkropNicksixwheeledbeast: yes01:20
sixwheeledbeastyou can device lock after a period of time, or dbus both commands with a script01:22
cehtehOkropNick: in settings there is a 'security' setting where you can set the timeout .. iirc 5min is the shortest time, but possibly you can configure it shorter somewhere (gconf prolly)01:22
cehtehif that does not work there is this dbus-event daemon, i use it to lock the device when certain apps are started, works nicely01:23
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DocScrutinizer05# Time before the device shuts down automatically from01:24
DocScrutinizer05# the shutdown query (shown when cancel is pressed in device lock),01:24
DocScrutinizer05# 0 to disable the timeout01:24
DocScrutinizer05# Timeout in seconds, default 0 (disable timeout)01:25
DocScrutinizer05might be related01:25
DocScrutinizer05oops nope01:25
OkropNickthank you :)01:25
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sixwheeledbeastOkropNick: I wanted the same feature so I added this to my "tenminutecore" app, with an option to set silent too. Handy for lockers at the indoor bouldering centre.01:26
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DocScrutinizer05in gconftool the key /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/autolock_period   (= 1000)  seems related01:33
DocScrutinizer05    /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock:01:33
DocScrutinizer05     orig_device_lock = true01:34
DocScrutinizer05     device_lock = false01:34
DocScrutinizer05     autolock_period = 100001:34
DocScrutinizer05     orig_autolock_period = 501:34
DocScrutinizer05     appletactive = false01:34
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infobothmm... oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s03:59
Drathir~n900 OC04:00
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infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"04:01
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DocScrutinizer05*no* april fool - or yes? ... 00407:21
raid_has anyone found a way to get google authenticator codes on their n900?07:30
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rikaneeraid_, it's available for Harmattan, so I guess you could use marmistr's thing to run it08:29
raid_i knew that was there for the N9, but i didn't know someone made something to run N9 apps08:30
rikaneeMeeCoLay, I think08:30
raid_rikanee: this?
raid_rikanee: i mean:
raid_mecolay, ok08:32
rikaneeyes, that.08:32
raid_this is good news. thank you!08:33
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thedead1440~doing the qwert12309:26
thedead1440~doing the qwerty12309:26
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Macerwow... $189 for 4TB?09:49
Macerwhat's the catch?09:49
Macerone of those you get what you pay for moments i'm sure heh09:50
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XATRIXHi, can't find nmbd in repositories10:34
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XATRIXI did install of smb (tinysmb) but there's no nmbd10:34
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rikaneeXATRIX: Samba 3.5.6 (in -devel) has nmbd.10:41
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rikaneetry dpkg -L smb | grep nmbd10:42
raid_is apt-get dist-upgrade supposed to work otb on the n900?10:43
rikaneeraid_: watch for packages that do get upgraded.10:43
raid_rikanee: you mean in the app manager?10:43
rikaneeDO NOT fist-upgrade when there's a fremantle-pr package that's offered for upgrade.10:43
rikaneeraid_: if you're upgrading CSSU, what you do is "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr"10:44
rikaneewhich pulls in all the packages requested by the upgrade.10:44
rikaneedon't upgrade CSSU with dist-upgrade.10:44
rikaneealthough for apps that pull in new libraries, and apt-get normally skips over them when you run "apt-get upgrade", it's up to you whether to accept them as part of dist-upgrade.10:45
raid_it just says upstart has unmet dependencies: sysvinit-utils 2.86 and busybox 3:1.6.110:45
rikaneealright, what repo did you enable.10:45
raid_oh i'm using the skeiro from when the main repo went down10:46
rikaneeweird, why is upstart being upgraded?10:46
raid_i have the testing and dev repos10:47
raid_current version of upstart is 0.3.8-6710:47
raid_not sure what it's trying to upgrade to10:48
raid_i have extras, extras-devel, extras-testing, community, and community-testing10:49
raid_from skeiron.org10:49
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raid_'apt-cache showpkg upstart' shows a slightly newer upstart version 0.3.8-68+0cssu0 from community-testing10:54
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raid_i can disable the community repo, dist-upgrade, and then reenable the repo10:55
raid_rikanee: is that how you do it to avoid that fremantle-pr problem you mentioned?10:56
raid_i would guess so. thanks10:59
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lufXATRIX: did you read the TMO thread I posted yesterday?11:49
lufXATRIX: BTW why do you need nmb on n900?11:49
damo22is there a google maps app for maemo? if not, is there an api i could use to write one?11:50
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XATRIXluf: sorry, i didn't read it, didn't notice your post. Because i need to make my mobile to be accessed via Windows Network11:51
XATRIXInstead of "\\"11:51
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lufXATRIX: what about dns?11:51
XATRIXSimply go to Network, see available hosts -> N-900 -> pass/login and see shares11:51
XATRIXluf: dns is an external nameserver11:52
lufXATRIX: it's the opposite way you asked yesterday :)11:52
XATRIXI need it to coop with DHCP11:52
XATRIXthat's why i need nmbd11:52
damo22why not assign a dhcp fixed host to your n90011:52
lufXATRIX: what about some wins on windows side? Also not usable for you?11:53
XATRIXBecause i want my handset to be available via Windows networking allover the worl :)11:53
damo22so you can get hacked over netbios?11:53
XATRIXI will enable smbd on deman11:54
luf ?11:54
XATRIXYea, already trying11:55
XATRIXThe best approach was tinysmb, but it doesn't have nmbd with it11:55
lufI think you can use tinysmb + only nmbd for the package.11:56
XATRIXYeap, but there's no nmbd withot smb11:57
XATRIXhave to install complete smb package11:57
lufYeah but you don't need to use it. Or you can just copy out the nmbd part.11:57
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lufXATRIX: as I see on azsmb page it should include nmb support.12:05
SpeedEvilthere isn't a Google maps app. there are APIs, but they are very limited, and have problems, for example, you can't legally cache map files12:05
SpeedEvilthere are a few map apps that do, however12:05
XATRIXluf: where did you find it ?12:07
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luf"home page"
lufBut maybe we have too old version on N900.12:08
XATRIXcool, does it have any GUI configurator for shares and users ?12:09
lufXATRIX: it's tinysmb ;)12:10
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XATRIXNokia-N900:~# apt-cache search azsmb12:12
XATRIXtinysmb - small SMB Server12:12
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raid_apt-get dist-upgrade is still trying to upgrade upstart, even after i removed all sources except stable and ran apt-get update12:15
lufXATRIX: did you find the easy way for accessing windows shares from N900?12:15
raid_'apt-cache showpkg upstart' is not showing any newer versions than what i already have12:15
XATRIXluf: negative12:16
lufXATRIX: this seems promising:
XATRIXluf: check this out
XATRIXit tells that i still have to provide IP address instead of click on a picture of the host in network manager of windows12:17
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lufXATRIX: but tinysmb source code says that it starts the nmb ...12:21
lufDo you have running tinysmb? Can you use netstat on N900? I think you'll see that nmb is listening on N900 with tinysmb12:22
XATRIXhm.. wizard-mounter is good, but it still require me to specify share to mount. there's no gui share-explorer. I mean, what if i don't know the exact share location12:23
XATRIXNokia-N900:~# ps aux  | grep smb12:23
XATRIX10711 root      7524 S    tinysmbd -q -d12:23
XATRIX11745 root      2088 S    grep smb12:23
XATRIXskip the grep string12:23
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: dist-upgrade is forbidden12:27
DocScrutinizer05raid_: ^^^12:27
lufXATRIX: netstat -ln | grep :13912:33
DocScrutinizer05I always thought hildon/osso filemanager knows about samba shares12:33
DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong12:33
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, no, you are not. iirc12:34
lufDocScrutinizer05: yes it knows ;) But you have to specify them somehow. It doesn't scan all possible ...12:34
freemangordonluf: hi12:34
luffreemangordon: hello12:34
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DocScrutinizer05so what we're talking about here? some avahi shit?12:35
DocScrutinizer05btw most AP keep the IP for a particular MAC. Usually they even know about clients' *names* and do proper DNS (if configured to do local DNS-proxy instead of just passing thru DNS queries to public DNS server)12:37
lufDocScrutinizer05: 1) how to configure the smb shares (how to find them) and 2) the opposite way - how to access N900 as smb server from windows world.12:38
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XATRIXtcp        0      0*               LISTEN12:39
DocScrutinizer05so maybe do a `host -a` (or whatever the windoze equiv) on your PC?12:41
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DocScrutinizer05you might be surprised12:41
lufXATRIX: so you have running nmbd in tinysmb ;)12:42
DocScrutinizer05and even when your AP doesn't do proper rDNS, it still might know the IP for whatever name your N900 is using12:43
DocScrutinizer05^^^ excerpt of my ddwrt "LAN" tab12:44
DocScrutinizer05(I don't use local DNS proxy, so can't check. This however is not the usual default config)12:45
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: u mean, nslookup ? what can it give me ?12:46
XATRIXluf: Not sure about12:46
DocScrutinizer05anyway the machines' names are not "hardcoded" in AP/router, they are delivered from the machines during DHCP12:46
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you can reach your N900 under a certain "domain" no matter what IP it got from DHCP12:47
DocScrutinizer05usually the same name you find in `cat /etc/hostname` on N90012:48
lufXATRIX: 139 is nmb port So I'm sure. However tinysmb can't be nmb master so you need some workgroup with win/samba machine which act as master browser.12:49
XATRIXwhen i open Network Places in windows12:49
XATRIXI can see 3 hosts there, XATIX-PC(desktop win) Acer-d255e(latpop) and Nokia-N90012:49
XATRIXIf i click Acer-d255e - it asks password,then list the shares in12:50
lufXATRIX: you see Nokia-N900 so the nmb is working on N900 side.12:50
raid_DocScrutinizer05: dist-upgrade is forbidden?12:50
DocScrutinizer05yes, totally forbidden12:50
raid_DocScrutinizer05: why are there 2 docscrutinizers?12:50
DocScrutinizer05why not?12:50
XATRIXWhen i click Nokia-N900 - it gives me an error: "\\Nokia-N900 is not accessible. The network path was not found"12:50
raid_DocScrutinizer05: because it makes replying to you harder12:50
DocScrutinizer05no, easier12:51
XATRIXBut i still be able to access and list shares via "\\\12:51
raid_DocScrutinizer05: i have to hit tab twice12:51
lufXATRIX: I'm affraid it's dns/wins related.12:51
XATRIXwins = nmbd12:51
DocScrutinizer05you wouldn't want to my RX51 aka N900 if I'm sitting on my PC-0512:51
raid_DocScrutinizer05: well, what is the recommended means of upgrading?12:52
DocScrutinizer05raid_: HAM12:52
lufXATRIX: I think not fully. However it's dns related. let's.12:52
DocScrutinizer05particularly for CSSU12:52
raid_DocScrutinizer05: fine. i hate HAM it's so slow12:52
XATRIXluf: yea, but there's no DNS definitions / hosts/lmhosts file for acer-d255e12:53
DocScrutinizer05it's way faster than you doing the upgrade manually on apt-get12:53
XATRIXif i do service nmbd stop - on my laptop - it gets unaccessible12:53
XATRIXBut i can get access back via \\
XATRIXSo, nmbd is critical12:53
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* DocScrutinizer05 really prefers "sftp://iron900" in konqueror12:56
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XATRIXah... how do i hate this way. I really prefer flash disks12:56
XATRIXBut i have to make my handset be accessible via standard windows shareing12:57
luflet's try nmblookup12:57
lufXATRIX: ^^12:57
DocScrutinizer05windows and standard in one sentence, ugh12:57
XATRIXMy users are a bit dumb in our work-network, and they don't know about \\some-freaking-ip12:57
XATRIXxatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup acer-d255e12:58
XATRIXquerying acer-d255e on
XATRIX192.168.0.14 acer-d255e<00>12:58
XATRIXlocalhost resolve12:58
XATRIXxatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup developer-1 querying developer-1 on developer-1<00>12:58
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XATRIXxatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup Nokia-n90012:58
XATRIXquerying Nokia-n900 on
XATRIXname_query failed to find name Nokia-n90012:58
XATRIXcheck this out.. it's interresting :(
DocScrutinizer05*shrug* is broadcast, isn't it?13:00
XATRIXdeveloper-1 - is a host with win713:00
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: smb/wins uses broadcast13:00
XATRIXAlso, smb-transfer mode uses UDP as long as i know13:01
lufXATRIX: older version. The newer is using tcp 445 AFAIK13:01
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't want to run a daemon on N900 that listens to broadcasts13:01
XATRIXluf: i have this one port on my linux laptop13:01
DocScrutinizer05but well, that's just me13:02
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: as i previously mentioned, it's on demand daemon13:02
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XATRIXI need something to share - i start tinysmb, i will shut the daemon down after i finish13:02
DocScrutinizer05well, whaever works for you13:03
lufXATRIX: let's try start tinysmb in some debug/verbose mode to see more.13:03
DocScrutinizer05I think there are less complicated setups for both-ends guided file transfer13:04
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lufXATRIX: you should have correct workgroup as you can see Nokia-N900 in net places ...13:05
XATRIXI have a proper group. Moreover, i see it :)13:05
XATRIXI can't access it :)13:05
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XATRIXwait a bit i'll upload the image to13:09
XATRIX - that's what i mean13:10
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lufXATRIX: nmblookup -M Workgroup13:25
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lufIt seems you have no master browser for workgroup on the net ...13:25
XATRIXmaster browser ? O_o13:26
lufIt should be fixed via dns ...13:26
XATRIXI have no domain controller you mean ?13:26
lufXATRIX: no13:26
XATRIXxatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup -M WORKGROUP13:26
XATRIX192.168.0.14 WORKGROUP<1d>13:26
lufnmb is voting the master browser who is collecting info about the workgroup.13:27
XATRIXit's an ip of acer-d25513:27
lufXATRIX: what is nmb (browser) config on acer?13:28
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XATRIXluf:  i see no extra config for nmbd13:33
XATRIXi have only for smb.conf13:33
lufXATRIX: it's in smb.conf ;)13:33
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XATRIXacer laptop
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lufThe proble is that tinysmb is not listening broadcasts ... or N900 drops broadcasts.13:43
lufXATRIX: nmblookup -U Nokia-N90013:44
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XATRIXwhat is ?13:50
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XATRIXI have no such addr13:50
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XATRIXah...ok you mean unicast of the handset13:50
lufI think it's you N900 IP13:51
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XATRIXxatrix@Acer-D255E:~$ nmblookup -U Nokia-n90013:52
XATRIXquerying Nokia-n900 on
XATRIX192.168.0.20 Nokia-n900<00>13:52
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lufXATRIX: so the only problem is that the nmb in tinysmb isn't listen for broadcasts ...13:53
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cityLightsis there a bin file to make the n900 to vibrate13:54
XATRIXluf: maemo doesn't support broadcasts ?13:54
XATRIXAny ideas ?13:58
XATRIXtinysmb is running13:58
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lufYou can't start nmbd while tinysmb is running14:05
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lufXATRIX: very ugly workaround is to iptables and dnat broadcast for udp 137 port to the IP.14:05
lufXATRIX: the second way is to fix tinysmb to listen broadcast as nmbd do ...14:06
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XATRIXluf: fix tinysmb's code you mean ? :)14:10
XATRIXIt doesn't have any config options for14:10
lufXATRIX: yes14:10
XATRIXYou kidding me :)14:10
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lufXATRIX: I have it :)14:22
lufI just have to check that I close it also correctly14:23
XATRIXclose ?14:23
XATRIXhave you fixed it ?14:23
lufXATRIX: close the broadcast socket also when shuting down the tinysmb.14:23
XATRIXDoesn't it close itself ?14:26
XATRIXAnd how can I14:26
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lufXATRIX: wait few more minutes ;)14:29
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XATRIXI'm totally rely on you! :)14:31
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lufXATRIX: are you using CSSU?14:38
* Drathir using14:41
XATRIXDoc advised me ;)14:41
XATRIXShould i remove it ? ;)14:41
luflet's try
XATRIXwhat should i do ?14:42
lufXATRIX: No I just built it againist CSSU-T14:42
Drathirsamba on n900?14:42
lufXATRIX: wget to N900 and dpkg -i ;)14:42
lufDrathir: nothing new just fixed one small nmb issue (if you don't have properly setup dns)14:43
XATRIXit's not good14:43
XATRIXcause it will ruin dependencies14:43
XATRIXLike apt-get does14:43
lufXATRIX: ?14:45
XATRIXDoc told me apt-get install / dpkg is a bad way to install software14:45
XATRIXOnly HAM or Fast App manager14:45
lufDocS are you here around?14:46
thedead1440XATRIX: most probably you are taking Doc's statement out of context...14:47
Drathirthis smb is really tiny :p14:47
XATRIXit's can be possible14:47
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lufXATRIX: it depends on you ;) feel free to wait for DocS and ask him.14:49
DrathirXATRIX:  dpkg --info tinysmb_1.0.6maemo2_armel.deb14:49
Drathirall dependencies14:50
DrathirXATRIX: yea its bad thing f you install from apt without a little thinking what you are really doin14:51
XATRIXmy apt-get upgrade want's to ruin my packages that are exactly tinysmb dependencies ;)14:52
raid__what is meecolay and how is it supposed to help me run this N9 app, GAuth14:52
Drathirbut if you install packages with head and official repositories in most of packages all should be ok14:52
raid__XATRIX: apt-get install seems to work fine for me. but upgrading should probably be done through HAM14:53
XATRIXluf: do i have to uninstall my current version of tinysmb ?14:54
Drathir Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1)14:54
lufIt'll replace. So if you'll feel safer you can remove tinysmb (also tinysmbgui due to deps). Install tinysmb I provided and again install tinysmbgui.14:55
Drathirluf: can i priv you?14:56
lufDrathir: what does mean priv?14:56
Drathirluf: private msg there14:57
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lufDrathir: I can't deny it to you ;) Feel free to contact me how you like.14:59
lufXATRIX: don't do that. just wget + dpkg -i14:59
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lufXATRIX: dpkg will fail if dependencies aren't met15:01
XATRIXhope it's ok,
lufXATRIX: yes it is. So let's start tinysmb and try it from win machine ... I'm curious ...15:02
XATRIXno need for extra system restart ?15:03
lufFor sure not. N900 isn't win machine :D15:04
XATRIXCrap, it works!15:04
lufXATRIX: :D15:04
XATRIXHoly shit.. You're a real coder!15:05
lufXATRIX: Let's try more as I see samba is listening broadcast also on 138 port (and I don't add it to tinysmb as I'm not sure).15:05
XATRIXMaybe you know how to disable vibra for messages/IM but not for other stuff ? )15:05
XATRIXLet's try more15:06
lufXATRIX: I was never interested in so I don't know (vibra).15:08
Drathirn900 isnt really a phone ^^ :p15:08
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lufDrathir: It's the only true smartphone :D15:09
Drathirluf: i have little advice for you in default package files better change MyDocs to read only or wiev only...15:10
raid__luf: it's a computer with phone capabilities15:10
raid__has anyone gotten GAuth to work on the n900?15:11
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raid__i need two-step verification and i don't want to buy an android just for that15:11
DrathirXATRIX: settings profiles but i dont know if its possible only for im messages...15:12
lufDrathir: I don't think it's something normal user wants.15:12
XATRIXDrathir: as long as i know i can only enable/disable vibra for the whole profile... But how to make it not to vibrate on new messages15:13
Drathirluf: but this looks like tittle security issue if r+w acces for all MyDocs by default is setting up, but this only my opinion about that...15:14
lufXATRIX: this is right TMO thread you're looking for I think (vibra)
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lufDrathir: but that's usually why users installed tinysmb.15:14
lufDrathir: If not they can change the config.15:15
XATRIXluf: thanks!15:15
lufXATRIX: don't thanks to me ... Just uncle Google did the job ;)15:16
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Drathirluf:  yea thats tru, maybe i to addicted by linux policy statments i mean if you want to something do you must first enable/allow that ^^ different is in winscary system :p15:17
lufDrathir: maybe that's the reason why the win/apple is so popular ... Unfortunately nearly nobody takes care about security :(15:19
raid__tell me about it, no one here even has two-step verification in their phone15:20
lufraid__: :) so you should be the first one15:21
thedead1440raid__: doesn't gmail have application specific passwords to bypass 2-step verification on certain devices?15:21
raid__luf: if i wrote it, no one would probably even use it :D15:22
lufraid__: And I'm surprised that google doesn't write GAuth for linux ...15:22
Drathirluf i dont like winscary because dont like if os do something above my back without my permission...15:23
raid__luf: i have to exhaust the GAuth possibility first15:23
raid__luf: they have an app for android and iOS15:23
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raid__thedead1440: they let you receive your verification code via sms, but i haven't been able to test that yet15:23
Drathirraid__: two step mean security and pin code if that i using this in first way...15:24
raid__thedead1440: that may not work for the website i need15:24
thedead1440raid__: oh yes i have the same; they send me codes via sms but for some things like my n9(00) my main password doesn't work so i need to use the generated application specific passwords15:24
raid__Drathir: what?15:24
raid__thedead1440: yeah, i need that app on the n90015:25
Drathirraid__: pone lock security code and pin security code, but maybe i miss understand what you mean...15:25
raid__Drathir: "if that i using this in first way"15:25
thedead1440raid__: no i meant there is a generated password from the web interfac; you can use that password instead everytime on all devices that lack the ability to have 2-step verification15:26
raid__thedead1440: hmm, google didn't mention it in their help article15:27
Drathirraid__: after reflash device i always enable phone security code pi always have on...15:27
Drathirbut i see you have mean online 2 way weryfication...15:27
thedead1440raid__: gmail->account->security->2-step settings->manage application-specific passwords15:28
raid__Drathir: google authenicator is an app that generates time-dependent codes that you can use to log in to your accounts in addition to your password.15:28
thedead1440that way you can generate one new password which is valid until you choose to disable it and can be used on any device w/o 2-step verification capability15:28
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Drathirraid__: how big is that security code?15:30
raid__thedead1440: it's for a website actually15:30
raid__Drathir: about 6 numerical digits15:30
Drathirhow about bruteforce it? is any security aganist that?15:31
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raid__thedead1440: i see the application specific passwords you're talking about. i don't think the website will take them15:32
thedead1440raid__: try it first and also try the sms method; i use these two methods and *never* have had the need for a GAuth app...15:33
raid__Drathir: yes, the codes are time-based, every 30 seconds they change15:33
rikaneeraid__: there's a way to issue app-specific passwords15:33
Drathiri think the best way for now its a o-auth supported by tweetter apps really dont know your really password to auth with your account...15:33
rikaneethey don't need secondary authentication.15:34
raid__Drathir: there is probably also a lock-out from too many wrong codes15:34
rikaneeDrathir: the problem is if your OAuth password or provider gets 0wn3d, so do you.15:34
raid__rikanee: it's for a website, they require codes15:34
raid__rikanee: i know, but this secures my end15:35
rikaneeraid__: mmm.15:35
Drathirraid__: ok 30s looks like in most case enough its possible to crack with a big brandwidth but google servers should detect ddos and shut down the connection...15:35
rikaneeI actually just switched to using 2-factor auth everywhere myself.15:35
rikaneeSome websites allow you to specify a recovery number.15:36
raid__rikanee: a lot of breeches in the past could have been avoided if the parties took advantage of the two-step verification they were offered15:36
rikaneeraid__, indeed.15:37
Drathirrikanee: yes but all thime you can deny acces and  thats oauth dont allow to change twitter settings i think...15:37
raid__You can setup two factor authentication for your account through Google Authenticator (free Android and iOS app). This provides a higher level of security for your account through the use of one time access tokens in addition to your password. The application is available for iOS and Android devices and does not require a Google account. We ONLY support the Google Authenticator app; other applications WILL NOT work.15:37
rikaneeraid__, I think 2-factor auth is a step towards certificate-based authentication.15:38
rikaneeMy dream is to have a USB stick or NFC app on your phone that you must use in conjunction with a passphrase to log in.15:38
raid__rikanee: real two-factor auth means you have to use two of the following three things to prove your identity: something only you know, something only you have, something only you are15:39
Drathirraid__: this looks like secureapi to google accounts if google want should public that api code and other platform dev can addapt it...15:39
rikaneeraid__: a RFID implant plus thumbprint would be great, but I'm squeamish.15:39
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rikaneeDrathir: the API is open15:39
raid__something you know is like a password, something you have is like a SMART card, something you are is like your fingerprint15:40
rikaneeGoogle supplies source for a PAM module that interfaces with their Authenticator doohickey.15:40
raid__google authenticator attempts to emulate the "something you have" factor15:40
raid__rikanee: that's for the server side15:41
rikaneeIIRC you need to be connected to the Internet to use it because Google has the secret seed needed to spit out the proper codes.15:41
rikaneethe spec is open though, so feel free to run your own code server.15:41
rikanee…if you don't trust Google with generating tokens for you.15:41
raid__i trust it, i just need it on my n90015:42
raid__GAuth exists for the N9, but i don't know how to get it to work15:42
raid__*i trust it enough15:42
Drathirraid__: if its deb package should work also...15:43
raid__i actually installed it and am running it, but it's kind of weird15:43
rikaneeraid__, what's weird?15:44
lufDrathir: N9 is rpm based15:45
rikaneeluf: Nope.15:45
thedead1440luf: no its deb based15:45
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Drathirluf: O.o redhat  inside?15:49
raid_i was just disconnected, did i miss anything?15:49
DocScrutinizer05((<XATRIX> Doc told me apt-get install / dpkg is a bad way to install software)) No   ((<XATRIX> Only HAM or Fast App manager)) NOOOOO! I definitely never suggested to use fapman  ((<XATRIX> my apt-get upgrade want's to ruin my packages...) THAT is what I said you MUST NOT do: apt-get [dist]upgrade15:50
Drathiri little scared about rpm...15:50
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XATRIXI have OpenMedia Player installed, can i safely remove the default one ?15:51
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lufDrathir: Don't know. I lived in idea that meego is rpm based.15:51
Drathirbetter to package manager go pacman :p and os to archlinuxarm hrhr15:52
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lufDrathir: it'a all the same ...15:53
raid_someone thought i might need meecolay to run GAuth, but it seems to run15:53
Drathirthat little joke...15:53
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Drathirbut if will be true thats will be great...15:53
thedead1440luf: N9 is a N900 minus the keyboard with the addition of the drm equivalent aegis that can be bypassed mostly and using qt everywhere instead of gtk... (ofcourse with a slightly better processor and lots more ram)...15:54
raid_when i click accounts it overlays the screen with a pin request, but i can't type anything into it15:54
Drathirsanta meecolay?15:54
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Drathiri mean in pl mikolaj mean santa clause its similar in saymeecolay :p15:55
raid_Drathir: No!
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: ok...15:55
XATRIXI didn't touch distupgrade ever15:56
Drathirraid_:  try to run from console and watch the output in console...15:57
raid_Drathir: oh genius. i tabbed over am getting this error15:57
raid_Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name was not provided by any .service files15:58
XATRIXI have OpenMedia Player installed, can i safely remove the default one ?15:58
raid_XATRIX: is openmedia already bound as your default?16:00
Drathirandre__: im dont know good about that but for mi looks like app is builit without  symlinks to n900 specific GUI options...16:03
raid_i'm not getting that error when i run it in meecolay, but it still doesn't work16:03
andre__Drathir: ?16:04
raid_andre__: i think he meant me16:04
andre__s/andre__/and ?16:04
Drathirandre__: sorry tabfail16:04
Drathirraid_: i think good to compile source package inside n90016:05
raid_would that even have a chance of working without major tweaks?16:06
raid_Drathir: ^16:06
raid_Drathir: oh it's python16:06
Drathirfor me apps call nO specific functions but its a little strange, question app is provided throught ovi site?16:08
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raid_Drathir: what?16:09
thedead1440raid_: the best bet is to report your errors on the MeeCoLay thread16:10
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raid_thedead1440: i'm not getting errors when i run it in meecolay, but i still can't figure out to get it to work16:11
raid_thedead1440: it'd help if i knew what it was supposed to do. i'll look for a youtube video16:12
Drathirraid_: i mean that package call specific liblaries used in n9 only that the reason of errors i think... its compiled  looks like its compiled directly to n9 phone, or calling options missing in n900 yes best way is ask the author of package about that it is a fastet way...16:12
raid_Drathir: gauth author wrote it for the n9, meecolay is, apparently, a harmattan wrapper for the n90016:14
Drathiralso sometimes not all the errors showing in default console run off app, aometimes needed special debug switches...16:14
XATRIXraid_: i don't know16:16
Drathirraid_: i think try also ask author of gauth what dependencies needed to run and build apps have, or try find that info inside google...16:16
XATRIXhow can i check is it bound as default16:16
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raid_ i would need marmstrs to actually install gauth and debug it himself. i don't have any errors to give him16:18
raid_(the author of meecolay)16:18
raid_my time would be better spent just rewriting the whole thing for n900 native16:18
raid_i'm going to try a few more things16:19
raid_thanks for your help everyone16:20
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DrathirXATRIX: what you have a mean?16:26
XATRIXI mean how can i check if my OpenMediaPlayer is my default player ? And if so, i will remove default one media player16:31
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DrathirXATRIX: openmediaplayer default isnt default as i know and you must run it by hand.... but if good remember media player can be deleted and exchanged with openmediaplayer16:36
Drathirbut i dont know where i read about that... :/16:37
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Drathirmediaplayer and openmediaplayer have differencies inside a program and easy to find that differencies...16:44
XATRIXSo, you don't recommend to remove native mediaplayer ?16:45
Drathiri think  better is have a alternative if something will be wrong in update of openmediaplayer - its low possibility that i thank...16:47
Drathiropenmediaplayer is fully compatibile with mediaplayer if good remember but i preffer both installed...16:49
DrathirDocScrutinizer51: you know anything about n900 video output?16:50
DocScrutinizer05a tad, yeah16:51
Drathiri saw something interesting high res video slowly showing inside screen is not show on remote tv connected to n900 when stop a video playing all scren on tv show again...16:52
DocScrutinizer05please add some punctuation to that, I can't parse it16:53
DocScrutinizer05maybe a rephrasing also helps ;-)16:53
Drathirok i mean it is any restriction of max resolution output?16:54
DocScrutinizer05yes, you can't go beyond a certain hw defined limit16:55
DocScrutinizer05TV format per default is 400 lines NTSC, 512 lines PAL (visible lines)16:55
DocScrutinizer05or was it 480 and 615?16:55
Drathireg on n900 i play slowly 720p, and it is slowly showing inside builit n900 screen, but isnt showing on connected tv...16:56
DocScrutinizer05your display as on N900 screen *always* gets scaled to that TV resolution, they use different framebuffers and hw-scaling16:56
DocScrutinizer05A TV wouldn't know what to do with 720 lines16:57
DocScrutinizer05and a HD TV can't take HD signals via CVBS/video-composite input16:58
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Drathirlooks like output isnt that is showing on the screen, but other not connected video source...16:58
DocScrutinizer05so all that fuss about HD/highres playback is a red herring16:59
Drathiroh i good thinking...16:59
DocScrutinizer05btw you can tell that AV-out and LCD are using different framebuffers, when you look at compositing. No buttons etc on TV, even while they show on N900 screen17:00
Drathirbut screen on tv and sound is briliant on sony tv "9" sample builit in after flashing...17:01
DocScrutinizer05sure, that video been carefully resampled to exactly deliver brilliant eyecandy for potetial customers when watched on screen and on TV17:03
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DocScrutinizer05while the only advantage of 720p playback is... that you *can* play it at all. TV quality will not differ significantly (well, you may have better horizontal resolution, but vertical resolution is still what your NTSC/PAL standard defines)17:05
DrathirDocScrutinizer51: yes you right that looks much better, but not my native language is little harder to prase in that  nice looking way, so sadly for me... i must to learn a lot...17:06
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: if you want good quality arbitrary video playback, rather learn about handbrake and similar resampling tools than about HD playback17:07
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Drathiranyway i mostly try to use 360p resolution, which is quite good inside phone and also on pc playing...17:08
DocScrutinizer05everything <= 480 is OK I guess17:08
DocScrutinizer05since N900 is scaling it up17:08
DocScrutinizer05480 is optimum17:08
DocScrutinizer05since LCD has 480 lines17:09
Drathirbut sadly if i want something with good quality music from yt i must download it with hd res, because yt have difference in aac sound quality, between 480p and full hd...17:11
DocScrutinizer05AIUI you can't playback 512 or 640 or whatever and hope for higher quality than 480, since for all I know all video is first downsampled to fit into N900 LCD framebuffer (480), and only then will get upsampled to match the standard TV formats PAL/NTSC. So instead of better quality, you get inferior quality with 640, 720, etc17:11
DocScrutinizer05I'd think17:11
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: :nod:, youtube HD is a PITA17:12
Drathirall time i search optimal avidemux configuration to resencode all videos to low size and good quality on n900 and pc...17:13
DocScrutinizer05with proper filters you *might* be able to just rip out the audio part and listen to it via gstreamer17:13
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I have a few RL things to get done, bbl, cya17:14
Drathiryea is no problem to take of the audio with best quality via youtube-dl17:14
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot for help to understand17:14
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freemangordon~flash kernel19:43
* infobot starts a firmware update on kernel, then pulls the plug halfway through19:44
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is
freemangordon~flashing kernel19:44
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infobotLinux kernel versions, mainline 3: 3.9-rc6, stable 3.8: 3.8.6, stable 3.7: 3.7.10 (EOL), stable 3.6: 3.6.11 (EOL), longterm 3.4: 3.4.39, longterm 3.2: 3.2.42, longterm 3.0: 3.0.72, longterm 2.6.34:, longterm 2.6.32:, linux-next: next-2013040819:49
infobotwell, pali is
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bef0rdI'm trying to figure out why this crash happens (randomly) on my application, I'm not even using dbus (afaik) any help is appreciated. I'm using qt-components-1020:17
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freemangordonbef0rd: is that fremantle or harmattan?20:26
bef0rdfreemantle cssu20:26
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freemangordonbef0rd: hmm, strange debug info, missing line numbers20:28
freemangordoncan you build with full debug info?20:28
freemangordonbef0rd: or install debug symbols20:28
bef0rdfreemangordon: are they available for all packages? I think I can build my app with debug symbols but the crash is on a qt lib20:29
freemangordonbef0rd: have in mind it is tricky, you need to move /usr/lib/debug to opt or mmc and symlink, otherwise you'll run out of space on rootfs20:29
freemangordonbef0rd: ofc dbg symbols are available for qt20:29
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raid_i figured it out. i figured out to get google authenticator functionality on the n90020:32
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freemangordonraid_: cool. whatever it is :)20:32
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lufraid_: let's share how ;)20:33
raid_google authenticator is used for two-factor authentication on many sites20:33
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raid_luf: process follows...20:33
peterbjornxhas anyone here got measurements or technical drawings of the n900 case or battery cover?20:34
raid_luf: install meecolay -> install gauth -> modify source code to remove calls to string.translate -> scan authentication barcode -> copy url -> run 'meecolay python pygauth <URL>' -> done20:35
bef0rdok, I'm installing libqt4-core-dbg hope its enough20:35
freemangordonbef0rd: install qtdbug dbg too20:36
bef0rdraid_: nice, where did you get gauth from?20:36
raid_bef0rd: there's one for the n9. i downloaded it from the git repo20:36
raid_i will document this on the forum, but should gauth be repackaged and uploaded to the repository20:37
bef0rdfreemangordon: can't find qtdbug-dbg or qtdebug-dgb20:37
bef0rdraid_: I didn't know there was one for the N9, I just use the sms option for 2step auth :P but I'll check it out, thanks20:38
raid_with proper desktop icons, and fixed code20:38
freemangordonbef0rd: oh, sorry, mybad s/bug/bus/ :)20:38
freemangordonit should be qt4dbus-dbg20:38
freemangordonor something20:38
raid_bef0rd: for sites other than google you need a google authenticator compliant app20:38
bef0rdfreemangordon: ah thanks, should have guessed, its libqt4-dbus-dbg20:39
peterbjornxanyone got anything that will help me design a replacement battery cover?20:39
raid_peterbjornx: i could describe it to you20:40
raid_peterbjornx: you don't have an n900?20:40
freemangordonbef0rd: once you have meaningful backtrace, here are the sources
peterbjornxi do but its running os off the sdcard atm and havent patched kernel to disable magnet sensor yet20:41
peterbjornxhoped somebody here had already got a basic design with the right sizes20:41
raid_peterbjornx: if they did, they'd already be selling them20:41
peterbjornxi want to make a battery cover with a "sidecar" attachment containing an USB port and some pinheaders20:42
bef0rdraid_:  I can't believe it have so few reviews gauth, if it works it's a very useful app20:42
freemangordonno, srsly, I guess there should be some pdf with device dimansions20:42
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raid_bef0rd: people are catching on to the need for two factor verification rather slowly20:42
raid_bef0rd: but it's already costed some companies a lot of money20:43
raid_peterbjornx: freemangordon: there definitely should be20:45
peterbjornxyeah, but probably not with the hook spacings and other important dimensions20:45
freemangordonpeterbjornx: well, better than nothing20:45
raid_peterbjornx: might as well make it20:46
raid_does anyone else think i should repackage gauth for the n900?20:47
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lufraid_: I think so :)20:50
raid_anyone else interested in two-factor authentication support for the n900?20:50
lufraid_: let's do it and announce i on TMO.20:52
raid_luf: tmo?20:52
lufAs you see several people are using SMS replacement because they don't know about it.20:52
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, tmo is, or, or It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.20:52
raid_luf: oh the forum20:53
lufraid_: ;)20:53
raid_luf: you're going to help?20:53
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lufraid_: If you need some advise a lot of people here can you help.20:54
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bef0rdraid_: couldn't get it added automatically, added the account manually but the number it generates doesn't seems to work :P i'll check later20:56
raid_luf: ok. i'll document what i did on the forum, but i'll wait to see how much response it gets before i start repackaging20:57
raid_bef0rd: what do you mean?20:57
raid_bef0rd: you added the private key manually?20:57
bef0rdraid_: yea, the account with the secret, I had to add it manually and the code doesn't work to login on gmail20:57
bef0rdit sends one to my phone through sms, maybe its expecting that one?20:58
raid_add it by running 'meecolay python pygauth <URL>'20:58
raid_bef0rd: get the url by scanning the qrcode20:58
lufraid_: As you wish ;) But I don't think it takes so much time to repackage the python thing.20:59
bef0rdyea, i'm doing it on the N9 though20:59
raid_luf: i'm just multitasking as it is, and i'll have to double check the license, add myself as a maintainer while keeping the original author properly credited, test the package installation and operation21:00
raid_luf: and i'm not sure exactly how to do all that21:02
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raid_if just two more people are interested, i'll make it a point21:02
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raid_otherwise, let me get a few things off my list21:03
raid_first, before i document anything, i need to find out why it's not working for bef0rd21:04
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lufraid_: I don't think you have to do it in next two minutes ;) take your time. Just add it to your todo ;)21:04
raid_luf: ok21:04
lufraid_: And it's your time so don't feel under pressure from my side.21:05
raid_luf: no, your support is appreciated21:06
raid_a lot of things are only worth doing if people are actually interested21:07
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raid_bef0rd: you're on the n9?21:10
bef0rdyea, let me try to add the url using the script21:10
raid_bef0rd: wait21:10
raid_bef0rd: when you added the code, didn't google require you prove you got it by entering a test verification code?21:11
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bef0rdraid_: oh, you are right, I didnt do that21:12
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raid_bef0rd: it should list your "Android" phone on the Security page21:14
bef0rdraid_: python pygauth "otpauth://url.." fails with a python error21:15
raid_what is the error?21:15
bef0rdthat could be why adding it from the url doesn't work21:15
raid_if you're running from the n9, i wouldn't expect the source code to need modification like the n90021:16
bef0rdmaybe i'm using the url wrong.. don't think so "otpauth://totp/,secret=secretkey"21:17
raid_that comma should be a ?21:18
bef0rdsorry, it's a ? indeed21:18
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raid_that's odd you're getting the same error i got21:19
raid_it's not your url21:19
raid_can you install python2.6?21:19
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raid_bef0rd: ^21:19
bef0rdI have python 2.6.6 on it21:20
bef0rdmaybe google changed something in the URL format and the app wasn't updated21:20
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raid_bef0rd: make sure that's the python you're running it with21:20
raid_on the n9 you can just run pygauth by itself (not 'python pygauth')21:21
bef0rdyea, there are no more version installed21:21
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raid_before we labotimize your gauth, let me find out why it's not working 2.621:22
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bef0rdraid_: does it work with a different version of python?21:22
raid_it was made for python 2.6, the n900 doesn't run 2.6 so it's better to labotimize21:23
raid_why it's not running on yours is strange21:23
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bef0rd:/ heisenbug, it's not crashing anymore21:26
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bef0rd(my qt app thats it)21:27
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raid_bef0rd: it may be a bug in the gauth the author missed. i'm going to rewrite pygauth to work with full functionality on the n9 and n900, stand by21:28
raid_i'm thinking google started sending the code in unicode, and the app hasn't been updated since then21:31
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bef0rd%40 ?21:39
bef0rdurlencoded you mean?21:40
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raid_bef0rd: no, the key itself downloaded from the url21:49
raid_bef0rd: it's working for you?21:50
bef0rddon't know, I didnt add the account successfully21:50
raid_bef0rd: but you said the bug was gone21:51
bef0rdon my app, sorry21:51
bef0rdnot gauth21:51
raid_bef0rd: oh21:52
raid_bef0rd: no, it's not the python version like i initially thought21:52
raid_bef0rd: i think it's that google is send the key in unicode format now21:53
raid_bef0rd: try this:
raid_overwrite pygauth with that and see what happens21:53
raid_make a backup ofc21:54
raid_this should fix the problem21:54
bef0rdok let me see21:55
raid_bef0rd: on your phone you should be able to paste the url into a browser and it will work21:57
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bef0rdraid_: several problems, it stil says code is not correct but since I modified the script I can't run it from the launcher or use it from the browser22:08
bef0rdharmattan requires it to be packaged and it detects it was modified, so it wont run22:08
raid_i think it was copied wrong22:09
raid_bef0rd: it detects it was modified?22:09
bef0rdI ran it using the interpreter and it works to add the account, but stil it says the authentication code is worng22:09
bef0rdraid_: yea, digisums file I believe22:09
bef0rdsame reason you can't just run binary copied file in the N9, you need to package it22:10
raid_bef0rd: i don't have an n922:10
bef0rdjust saying :)22:10
bef0rdi'll check later dont worry, and the fixed code probably works22:10
bef0rdjust need to repackage it and check what else can be failing22:10
raid_bef0rd: you said you could run it using the interpreter22:10
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bef0rdyea, it starts if I do "python pygauth"22:11
bef0rdbut the code generated in the app is not valid for google22:11
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raid_bef0rd: then do that until the account is saved, then reload the original until you get a package22:11
raid_bef0rd: are you sure you followed google's instructions correctly? you scan the qrcode, paste it into pygauth, enter the verification code into google before leaving the page22:13
bef0rdyep, without closing the qrcode page22:13
raid_bef0rd: it should verify your code before it activates two-factor authentication on your phone22:13
raid_bef0rd: but that fails22:13
bef0rdraid_: once you add your account the app starts and shows the code to verify, right?22:14
raid_bef0rd: yes22:14
bef0rdok I did that, still faill, is ok that the accounts appears as instead of @gmail?22:14
raid_bef0rd: shouldn't matter, let me check22:16
freemangordonbef0rd: did you capture a backtrace?22:16
bef0rdfreemangordon: it hasn't crashed yet :/22:17
freemangordonhmm, that's bad22:17
freemangordonbef0rd: debug aor release build (of your application)?22:18
bef0rdit's in debug at the moment22:18
bef0rdalso with debug symbols of qt-core and qt-dbus22:18
freemangordonbef0rd: was it in release when it crashed?22:18
freemangordonbef0rd: then build it in release with adding -ggdb option to the compiler22:19
raid_bef0rd: it's working fine for me22:20
freemangordonbef0rd: adding debug symbols won't affect optimization options22:20
raid_bef0rd: pygauth that is22:20
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bef0rdfreemangordon: let me try that22:23
bef0rdraid_: ok so its something on my side22:23
raid_bef0rd: is the time correct on your phone?22:25
raid_if it's off by 2 minutes, it could cause the verification to fail22:26
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bef0rdfreemangordon: is this bt better? I'll be back in a bit and check the source22:30
bef0rdraid_: yea it seems to be off by sometime, I'll brb to change the time and test22:30
raid_the verification codes are time based. they are only valid for about 30 seconds, and require your phone's clock to be in sync with google's22:31
raid_bef0rd: ^22:32
raid_i'm going to document this on TMO22:33
freemangordonbef0rd: QDBusAbstractInterface::asyncCallWithArgumentList (this=0x0... :D22:37
freemangordonbef0rd: it's dereferencing null pointer, I guess you should walk through upper frames to see who calls what22:38
freemangordonbef0rd: but I bet it is FBMEDevice::updated calling some non0existing dbus interface22:39
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ApicGood Nite!22:47
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bef0rdfreemangordon: I see it, should I check source right?23:01
freemangordonbef0rd: no idea WTF is that, but yep, seems like this is to blame.23:01
bef0rdI think its qt-components-10, to be able to use harmattan components on maemo523:02
freemangordonbef0rd: see this too QDBusCallDeliveryEvent::placeMetaCall (this=<value optimized out>, object=0x0)23:02
freemangordonI guess that plugin registers some callback with NULL object23:02
freemangordonas callback parameter that is. and tries to call it later23:03
freemangordonbef0rd: have in mind I didn't look at the sources, only guessing23:03
freemangordonbef0rd: do you have bme-replacement installed?23:04
bef0rdthanks, belongs to that package, I'll download the source23:04
bef0rdfreemangordon: I don't thing so23:05
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bef0rd <- me23:22
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