IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-03-20

jacekowskisixwheeledbeast: i've just found another issue with autobuilder00:01
sixwheeledbeastthe log from my last attempt was odd00:01
jacekowskipermissions issue00:02
sixwheeledbeastah I wait a bit then00:02
jacekowskiit's failing to copy stuff and update results folder00:02
jacekowskiso buildme is copying back old results00:02
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jacekowskisixwheeledbeast: you can upload again00:07
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sixwheeledbeast jacekowski: done00:08
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jacekowskihow long does it take to build?00:11
jacekowskii386 build failed00:13
sixwheeledbeastI dunno if that's my package or what. I am not sure how to fix.00:14
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sixwheeledbeastmust be, it's not liking the about dialog page for some reason.00:16
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jacekowskidisable i386 build?00:19
jacekowskinobody is using it anyways00:19
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sixwheeledbeastnot sure how00:25
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sixwheeledbeastI don't get it I can build i386 in scratchbox fine...01:16
jacekowskii'll look at it tomorrow01:16
sixwheeledbeastok, I am off to bed soon so I'll leave it for now too.01:17
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jacekowskiDrathir: ho02:13
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rlinfatiWrong checksum during receive of ''02:14
rlinfatialso wide-dhcpv6-relay and wide-dhcpv6-server02:14
jacekowskiwhat where when?02:15
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rlinfatimd5 expected: 0a0fd6406f9f9eb1aee0e7172871cb91, got: 257e4779510df16e93b91313ba1b031402:15
rlinfatisha1 expected: 53f4df456b4093dc5a8c159c1a4bf5afb5a9ba56, got: e1d4a299432b09212ea40119f71023f2d84560e202:15
rlinfatisha256 expected: 0f1b867680313b9a16177f0660bbc020cc02a40efc863effc7bf3976503503d8, got: e7a1f789aefa4ecdf7fb16523f772a477221d98b5ce0f84b52e40b2c18850e6e02:15
rlinfatisize expected: 98066, got: 9807602:15
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jacekowskithat explains some things02:26
rlinfatiehh ?02:27
jacekowskiapt-ftpmirror has problems with same versions02:29
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jacekowskirlinfati: everything should be ok in ~hour02:38
Drathirbtw pacserve is great things...02:47
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Macergo figure03:11
Macerand a "supported sane scanner"03:12
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Macerdoesn't work lol03:12
MacerGO LINUX! :)03:12
Drathirusb host mode?03:17
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Drathirfail sorry03:32
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Macerever find out what was wrong with DocScrutinizer05 ?06:35
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: sorry?06:52
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Macerthe high load06:57
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, the high load mainly seen on www?07:25
DocScrutinizer05it's caused by cronjobs for autobuilder etc, and I think those jobs need a proper refactoring to remove some parallelism07:26
DocScrutinizer05it's insane when a job needs >6GB of memory(!) to proceed. And the high load is probbaly just a side effect of this07:27
Cor-Ai6GB? damn :P07:29
DocScrutinizer05I mean, even apt/yum are happy with a few 100MB of RAM to build a complete dependency datastructure of all packages available in a full linux distro. I can't imagine any task in maemo that would need to handle more complex and thus larger datastructures07:29
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: database preloading?07:30
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: yes, probably07:30
HurrianTMO is huge.07:30
HurrianFrickin' huge.07:30
DocScrutinizer05tmo is unrelated to www07:30
DocScrutinizer05it's probably all related to package interface07:32
infobothmm... pkg is
Hurrianis the pkg queue that long?07:32
DocScrutinizer05and yes, this probably accesses db VM via remote mysql queries done in php jobs on www VM07:33
DocScrutinizer05so if each such php-mysql interface loads a complete view of a nonsensical query of db, this will hog RAM for sure, if those jobs run in parallel for several packages07:34
DocScrutinizer05php-mysql "SELECT * on maemo_packages" --> damage done07:35
DocScrutinizer05I don't think it's THAT bad, but you get the idea07:35
Hurrianit could be that bad.07:36
Hurrianassuming the dev is doing their job properly, the PHP script could simply directly access the column for that package.07:36
DocScrutinizer05that's why I say the jobs on www need a refactoring07:37
DocScrutinizer05this is a very common mistake done by devels accessing db, they are not aware of what actually happens on machine when they do SQL queries etc07:38
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: god way to setup builider to few 2-4 cores if is 8cores all07:39
DocScrutinizer05we have no problems with builder07:40
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: compile always tale a lots of ram more than installing apps i think...07:40
Hurrianchecking the heatmap, www is really getting hammered.07:43
Hurrianoh, and there seems to be load spikes every 20 minutes or so.07:44
DocScrutinizer05every 15 I think07:44
DocScrutinizer05and a monster one every hour07:44
DocScrutinizer05or rather every 30min07:46
DocScrutinizer05it takes 20min to eat up to 6GB of RAM, then collapses07:46
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: not looks so bad, but drive space is on the edge... anyway  when something is build is only one package or few in one time?07:47
DocScrutinizer05builder doesn't need drivespace07:47
DocScrutinizer05and I think builder is building aone package at a time, from queue07:48
DocScrutinizer05in former times we had like 5 or 10 builder engines07:49
DocScrutinizer05which again is giving us errors right now, since there's no more user builder2 for example, but scripts occasionally still use that07:50
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski is fixing all that07:50
DocScrutinizer05during last week or so07:50
DocScrutinizer05kudos to jacekowski07:51
DocScrutinizer05but there's obviously still a lot left over to cleanup07:51
Drathiryea when have a ram all take and handle inside ram...07:52
DocScrutinizer05whole machinery seen massive restructuring when nemein ported it from Nokia infra to their own infra, and nobody ever fixed all that stuff before jacekowski looked into it07:53
DocScrutinizer05and we have two problems: understanding how stuff been meant to work before migration#1 (to nemein), and understand and implement how to fix stuff so it work *now* on new infra after migration#207:55
Drathirthat the worst... not touching if works when must somthing do after longthat is a hard workaround.... and  when moving is added that is really scarry thing07:57
DocScrutinizer05it often is a game of "who's faster - you with searching for the existing script that did XY before it got disabled, or I with writing a new script that re-implements same function"07:58
DocScrutinizer05documentation on all that: zero07:58
DocScrutinizer05usually not even much in header comment of shell/php-scripts07:59
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Drathirdocumentatikon changed with people working on server because i think all people was own way to maanage the server...08:05
DocScrutinizer05for example I asked Nemein 3 days ago how to create new developer accounts. We have no clue, though we guss there must be a script or even a web frontend for that08:06
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i have similar when helping to care and develop game server...08:14
Drathirbut that was smal and there is a huge...08:15
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DocScrutinizer05I fixed some users ssh pubkey on a few VMs, only to learn it gets reset to old after w while. Obviously the master copy of pubkey is stored in db and gets deployed to ~/.ssh/auth*keys every 15min by some unknown cronjob08:21
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thats is interesting in db mean  mysql?08:29
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Drathiri also have keys in file  that contains a list of keys files... ssh keys with keychain is great connection...08:34
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: yes, db VM is our central mysql database08:45
Drathirdoc thats  amazing idea for me... and also work... great idea...08:48
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: *08:48
Drathirbig brains can do amazing things...08:50
DocScrutinizer05well, without any documentation such things are way more scary and puzzling than amazing08:52
DocScrutinizer05whole internals is a constant "WTF?!"08:52
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DocScrutinizer05much of it introduced by midgrad08:54
DocScrutinizer05midgard even08:54
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DocScrutinizer05e.g. we have no idea how to edit content of http://www.maemo.org08:55
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: bubut the moment when thinking what the hell that works should be interesting...08:55
DocScrutinizer05there's a web frontend supposed to be somewhere for that, since midgard is a CMS I've been told. Nobody has a clue where to look for such web frontend though08:56
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: and looking all files should take a years... :/08:57
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Drathiri sometimes have that i dont know how i do somethings, but it works like i want... a09:03
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DocScrutinizer05on a maybe somewhat interesting sidenote: we're running those 45CPU/14hosts on maemo.orh with a total of ~200W09:23
keriowho's paying for the electricity? iphh?09:24
DocScrutinizer05their donation to us09:24
DocScrutinizer05*yawn* spam-day on council.m.o ML09:25
DocScrutinizer05I guess our spamassassin needs an update09:26
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: you joke right?09:29
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: with 200W power09:30
DocScrutinizer05I don't even know how joge is written09:30
DocScrutinizer05PSU1: 98W, PSU2:86W09:30
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DocScrutinizer05according to IPMI09:31
DocScrutinizer05I don't even know how to spell "joge" (sorry for my french)09:34
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: interesting what motherboard there are...09:34
DocScrutinizer05didn't you ask same question a few days ago already?09:36
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thats all is perfect organized...09:46
Drathiri think that a much bigger hard drives...09:47
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Drathirfor all data i think there must be bigger hdd butisnt that...09:52
DocScrutinizer05our primary data fits onto 2TB09:55
Drathirall hdd is less than 3TB on that big community is not bad i think09:56
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Drathiri trying to setup xen in little home server but he bite with qemu :/09:58
Drathirbtw that ganglia looks little modern that munin...09:59
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DrathirWIP = work in progres?10:00
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i find a bug on site one core somewhere hide... in section Cpu Cores, RAM (in MB), storage (DISK, in GB), of the VMs10:15
DocScrutinizer05well, probably one core is reserved for dom010:16
DocScrutinizer05WIP is work in progress, yes10:17
DocScrutinizer05that table is not exactly up-to-date, it's at least one week behind10:17
jacekowskiand i can tell you exactly which job updates authorized_keys10:18
jacekowski*/10 * * * * $EXECUTER dav-svn/create_users.php /var/www/homedirs/10:18
Drathiri think that small amount of cores to db only 2 ? little suprised me...10:18
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jacekowskimysql is pretty fast10:19
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: we can juggle CPUs as we need10:19
DocScrutinizer05even during runtime10:19
jacekowskiyou can have 10kq/s on single not so fast core10:19
jacekowskiif you have reasonable queries10:19
jacekowskii've got to go10:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah! only then10:20
DocScrutinizer05cya jacekowski10:20
Drathirjacekowski: thanks a lot i write that because that really interesting me...10:24
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: all earlier infrastructure alo was on xen containers ?10:26
DocScrutinizer05probably not, though we have no way to know for sure10:27
DocScrutinizer05we had no access to any internals prior to Nemein completing migration#110:27
keriohm, how does adding a cpu to a running system even work? :o10:28
DocScrutinizer05since originally been mixed with other Nokia proprietary stuff on same machines, so they couldn't allow access for us10:28
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I guess that's a question for XEN faq10:29
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keriommcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x90010:30
keriooh shit10:30
DocScrutinizer05I'd suspect the virtual CPUs get "hotplugged"10:30
DocScrutinizer05ohshit indeed10:30
keriodoing a fsck -c10:32
kerioon the important partition10:32
kerioluckily, i have errors=remount-ro :)10:32
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: vcpu hotplug is a mess and not really well implemented10:34
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: and it's one way only10:34
Drathirwhat i read the most interestings was xen and openvz system, but dont know if its  true...10:34
jacekowskiit's just xen10:35
DocScrutinizer05nayway, CPU grunt obviously isn't our main concern on infra10:37
DocScrutinizer05jobs eating 6GB while running... that's a real problem10:37
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: do you use maemo conversation IM ?10:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, a fsck -c updated the bad blocks list10:43
keriohopefully it's ok now10:43
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: sharing memor cache if works was be good but when compile i dont know if its possible and second part myst bee running min 2 compiling works to have fenefit of them...10:44
Drathirkerio: what files system is used?10:46
XATRIXHow can i disable sound/vibra notifications for IMs while i'm in DnD mode ?10:47
XATRIXAlso is it possible to initiate skype-video calls from the handset ?10:48
XATRIXAlso, there's a 'Advanced Power app' that shows the percentage of the batter, and time to discharge, as i was told about , it provides some 'ticks' that will cause me battery charge, as the cpu does the updates10:50
thedead1440XATRIX: for no sound/vibra choose silent without vibrate. For skype-video just select a contact who can receive a skype video call and there'll be an option to select skype video call10:50
XATRIXBut the default one indicator does that 'ticks' also, so i think it's equal to10:50
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XATRIXthedead1440: I can't skype-video anyone, doesn't matter is he able to receive or not10:51
XATRIXSimply no way to initiate call with video10:51
thedead1440XATRIX: shouldn't be so; i've initiated skype video calls several times10:51
thedead1440ask someone to call you via skype video10:51
XATRIXI can only enable video during the call that was made from the outside of10:51
thedead1440then try if selecting that person from recent calls shows skype video10:52
XATRIXthedead1440: 'ask someone to call' :) that way it works :)10:52
thedead1440for me it works either way10:52
XATRIXI need to be able to make video-calls by myself10:52
thedead1440usually i initiate it from contacts app myself10:52
XATRIXAlright i'll try now10:52
XATRIXYou're right, it's possible to start video call from the contacts10:56
XATRIXI tried it from 'last calls'10:56
thedead1440ah that's not accurate then10:56
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XATRIXYou know, when you open your phone app10:56
thedead1440last calls shows the number that called you and allows you to call back that number10:56
XATRIXWhat about the dnd more ?10:56
thedead1440f.e. a contact of mine has 3 numbers and calls me from the first number when i want to call back only the first number is allowed10:56
XATRIXIf you disable sound/vibra in Profiles10:57
XATRIXIt will disable sound completely10:57
XATRIXI need to disable sound/vibra/notifications for IM while i'm in 'Red' dnd mode10:57
XATRIXAll the other sounds (non-IM) should work as well10:58
thedead1440hmm not sure of that but just choose general profile then with no vibra and silent the im volume10:58
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: If i set the output power of wifi from 100mW -> 10mW will it help to save charge ?10:59
XATRIXthedead1440: Not a best way, if use go Silent, you're completely out of notifications10:59
thedead1440you don't want notifications for IM right? So in general silencing IM allows you to have all other notifications except for IM right?11:00
XATRIXYeap, it's should be as you discribed11:01
XATRIXCurrently if i'm in DND mode for IM, i'm still have all the notifications enabled11:01
thedead1440yeah so go to settings->profiles-> and in the general tab lower down the volume for IM11:01
XATRIXBut there's simply no chat opens while you receive the messages11:01
DrathirAD-N770: better than wi fi i think dimm lcd lightning...11:02
thedead1440DND mode doesn't affect your system profile. Think of the availability as a status to show not for your phone to act on.11:02
XATRIXNope, if you decrease the volume for IM in settings, you simply disable the sound , and for BOTH modes, Online+DND11:02
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thedead1440ah that's what you mean11:02
XATRIXIt should act like the desktop does11:03
thedead1440i think you would have to use dbus to get the status and then change the volumes. Not sure but check Phone Control11:03
XATRIXIf you're in DND - no popup notifications, no sound notif. no visual. But the main sounds works, as well as the sound of other apps11:03
thedead1440no idea how to make that work. Like I said DND on device is simply meant to show others your status but not something for your phone to act on11:04
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XATRIXYou gotta be kidding me, :) i'm not dev. It's like a SDK for dev guys :)11:04
thedead1440Well if you want to customize things you should be willing to learn, shouldn't you? "_"11:05
XATRIXYea, but if i want to customize things, i don't have to actually become a coder :)11:06
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DrathirAD-N770: sorry tabfail11:11
thedead1440From what i understand of things IM status was not meant to affect your phone. This is carried on in the N9 too. I can have multiple IM accounts and change each of their status' separately. So if you want to do something that wasn't an intention then you'll certainly have to work-around it :) AFAIK dbus signals are the way to go sadly. On the n9 i gave up on dbus and used mc-tool when i wanted to read the current status of specific accounts;11:11
thedead1440maybe something similar on the n900 could help11:11
XATRIXThanks anyway11:11
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: Wifi power 10/100 doesn't make much of a difference in real life11:16
XATRIXI think even 10 percent of power should drastically drain cell11:16
XATRIXEvery +10% i think affects greatly on charge11:18
DocScrutinizer05no, WIFI isn't using much energy from battery, since it's not sending all the time, and even if it would, 100mW are not really that much11:18
XATRIXAre you sure ? Even stationary WIFI access-points, use 100mW11:20
XATRIXBut it has a PSU ~1-2A 5V11:20
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jacekowskithat's for the CPU and other things11:22
XATRIXAnd N900 use no CPU ? :)11:24
XATRIXOr you mean it should also power up FEthernet port, and the whole base board itself inside the access-point ?11:25
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XATRIXWhere the files for localization /etc/systemui/systemiu.xml ?11:33
XATRIX"powerup_memainmenu_poweroff" and etc...11:33
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rooster_rus is dead for me. Where else I can get firmware images?11:39
infoboti guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
thedead1440rooster_rus: ^^^11:40
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rooster_rusthanks a lot11:43
XATRIXmmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 0001 - it's a simple SD card inside the handset ? Or it's a soldered die on MB ?11:45
divVerentwhen the video player refuses a file... is there a way to get a more exact error message?11:46
divVerentlike, "This codec is not supported" or "This parameter violates H.264 Level 3.0"?11:46
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divVerentone way might be using gst-launch to get a similar playback chain running... has anyone done that yet?11:46
divVerent(I don't know how to access the HW decoder via gst-launch)11:47
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divVerent10:16:03  DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: Wifi power 10/100 doesn't make much of a difference in real life11:47
divVerentmakes virtually none at all11:48
divVerentbecause it just sets the max power11:48
divVerentand wifi is already designed to always use the "minimum possible without too much loss"11:48
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divVerentso by limiting to 10, either nothing changes, OR you will get more packet loss and/or leave the network11:48
divVerentonly in the latter case you'd actually save power :P11:48
XATRIXdivVerent: never heard about sucha a "design"11:48
divVerentthe wifi power management always does it11:49
divVerenttransmit power is dynamically adjusted while you are inside11:49
divVerentthe farther you are from the AP, the higher is the power11:49
divVerentit dynamically adjusst based on measurements e.g. of signal/noise ratio of the AP's signal11:49
divVerentso to get most battery drain, run a download with the N900 in a partial faraday cage, blocking as much of the signal as you can without interrupting the download ;)11:50
divVerenton normal linux systems you actually can watch the power adjustment in iwconfig, have not checked that on the N900 yet11:50
divVerentalso, the N900 has generally quite good wifi reception compared to the iPhone 4, at least it shows a LOT more networks when scanning ;)11:51
XATRIXmaybe you have a point11:51
XATRIXAcer Aspire One d255e11:52
XATRIXwlan0 Power Management:off11:52
XATRIXLink Quality=70/70  Signal level=-38 dBm11:52
XATRIXBit Rate=65 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm11:52
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divVerentin case it does NOT auto adjust, you may be able to tell the chipset to do it by iwconfig wlan0 txpower auto11:53
divVerentbut if it's 19 for you, it probably IS audo adjusted11:53
divVerentI currently have 20 dBm transmit power and 41/100 link quality, it clearly is at the max power level11:53
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XATRIX - that's for my N90011:55
divVerent10dBm is 10mW11:56
divVerent20dBm is 100mW11:56
divVerentso you currently are limited to 10mW and the signal is good11:56
XATRIXAnd actually i've powered it down maually to 10mW11:56
XATRIXSo, switching to 10011:56
divVerentit also may take a while to adjust, and I am not sure if you can always see the txpower difference11:57
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XATRIXBit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm11:58
XATRIXPower Management:on11:59
XATRIXLink Quality=70/100  Signal level:-49 dBm  Noise level=-86 dBm11:59
divVerentI am currently trying to see if txpower actually changes11:59
divVerentor if one can't see what the card internally does11:59
divVerentI know the chips DO the txpower management, but I am trying to see how to find out11:59
XATRIXPassed a minute still 20dBm12:00
divVerentyes, same here, wondering if one can even ask the actual power12:01
XATRIXThat's the difference bettern 100mW ( and 10mW (
divVerentfrom "iw":12:01
divVerentdev <devname> set txpower <auto|fixed|limit> [<tx power in mBm>]12:01
divVerentSpecify transmit power level and setting type.12:01
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: maybe you'll pay some interest as well12:01
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divVerentbasically, similar quality level... I would guess also similar actual txpower :P12:02
XATRIXYep, but i suppose it to adjust automatically12:02
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teotwaki"When i connect to the manager with username/passwod and i try to regenerate the setup contact and i see the the wheel that round but i never see the green writing of success. I also can't see in the console the indicator."12:02
teotwakiGotta love some bug reports12:02
XATRIXYeap, but with 10mW it was the same quality level but 48Mbit\s instead of 5412:02
XATRIXBut 10mW is less than 100 in 10 times!!!12:03
divVerentprobably changes to 54 too12:03
XATRIXSo, 10 times less drain12:03
divVerentI am saying, it doesn't ACTUALLY use the 100mW12:03
divVerentI just want to find a way to prove it :P12:03
XATRIXBut it constantly gives me 20dBM12:03
XATRIXAnd doesn't go down12:03
divVerentI am trying to find out if the iwconfig value actually reads the status12:04
divVerentof if it just shows the set limit12:04
XATRIXI think it does the actual12:05
divVerentthen why would it never change12:05
divVerenteven when I explicitly tell it to do auto on my notebook via "iw"12:05
XATRIXBecause it does adjust it onece at start12:05
XATRIXI think the default value is auto12:06
XATRIXBit Rate=48 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm12:06
XATRIXI changed nothing12:06
XATRIXLink Quality=73/100  Signal level:-47 dBm  Noise level=-92 dBm12:06
divVerentthe "iw" tool distinguishes between setting the upper limit, or forcing the value12:06
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divVerentiw dev wlp2s0 set txpower limit 1400 sets a limit of 14dBm12:07
divVerentbut "fixed 1400" forces the value12:07
divVerentbut it never changes when read back for me12:07
vi__Altering tx power on the n900 does f* all in terms of power saving.12:09
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divVerentvi__: yes, that is the experimental result :P12:09
vi__At worst it just ruins the SNR12:09
divVerent90mW isn't all that much anyway... even if it DOES anything, it's like 30mA12:09
divVerentbut I would still like to see if WiFi auto txpower works on the N900's chip or not12:09
XATRIXI don't think so12:10
vi__The thing that allows for most savings is sleep timeout etc.12:10
XATRIXI i still believe that 10mW drains 10 times less energy than 100mW12:10
XATRIXBecause it hardware limited12:10
divVerentonly in worst case12:10
divVerentyou're not even sending permanently12:10
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vi__yes but 100mW does not give you 10 times the range.12:10
XATRIXI'm in idle mode currently12:10
XATRIXOnly 5IM protocols in action ,and handset is in standby mode12:11
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vi__And the most power savings happen when the the TX is off.12:11
XATRIXvi__: no, i'm not talking about the range, for the 'ranged' environments i use GPRS data connection12:12
XATRIXI'm after prolonging the cell life12:12
vi__battery cell?12:12
XATRIXActual time to discharge12:12
vi__With wifi on?12:12
vi__actually, gsm radio is the power hog.12:13
vi__Wifi is just fine.12:13
XATRIXI mean, how long i can stay without recharging, and yes, wifi is on, GPRS is also auto-connectable12:13
XATRIXMy handset search every 10 minutes, and auto-connect to any available GPRS/WIFI12:13
vi__That depends entirely on how much you ise it!12:13
XATRIXOnly for IM12:14
XATRIXNo web-surfing12:14
vi__Wow, that is going to be brutal on power.12:14
XATRIXI just need to be constantly online via IM, nothing extra12:14
XATRIXI think IM doesn't deal that much ? Sends only keepalives while in idle12:15
vi__Well, I am connected via wifi all day and I get around 1.5-2 days depending on useage.12:16
vi__iwconfig wlan0 rate 12M txpower 20 power period 1 unicast power timeout 20u12:17
vi__^is what I use when streaming internet radio.12:17
vi__It takes power usage from ~250mA down to ~90mA12:18
XATRIXvi__: Do you use some IM protocols or any network software ?12:18
vi__I think this is due to internet radio somehow turning PSM off for the wifi.12:18
vi__I have google talk, skype and a SIP account logged in all the time.12:18
XATRIXAre you on GRPS/3G or only Wifi ?12:19
vi__wifi 90% of the time.12:20
XATRIXDon't know even what to say12:21
vi__what is the problem?12:21
XATRIXCSOC: 97 % RSOC: 97 %12:22
XATRIXAverage Current: 186 mA12:22
XATRIXBut it's currently chargin12:22
XATRIXUSB charge12:22
XATRIXalso , what's the command to enable PowerManagement on ?12:23
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vi__From shell...12:24
vi__iwconfig wlan0 power on12:24
vi__I think.12:24
XATRIXI'm trying to enable it on my laptop12:25
vi__Does not seem to throw an error.12:25
XATRIXJust to experiment with12:25
XATRIXroot@HP-Compaq-nc4010:~# iwconfig wlan0 power on12:25
XATRIXError for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) :12:25
XATRIX    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.12:25
vi__is the wifi device on? up? in use?12:25
XATRIXSure, i'm currently via wifi12:25
XATRIXSounds if my chip doesn't support PM12:25
XATRIXBroadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller12:26
vi__Depends how new the chip is.12:26
divVerentok, one thing is for sure: iwconfig can NOT possibly read the current txpower12:26
divVerentsomewhat obvious from the cfg80211_wext_giwtxpower code12:26
XATRIXdivVerent: any idea how to get tx ?12:26
divVerentI am checkign kernel source for that12:27
vi__what do you mean?12:27
vi__wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:"edinst"12:27
vi__          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.422 GHz  Access Point: 68:7F:74:01:D6:A212:27
vi__          Bit Rate=18 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm12:27
vi__          Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2352 B12:27
divVerentthe 20dBm is the limit, not the current power12:27
vi__why do you care about the current power?12:27
divVerentwhy not?12:28
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XATRIXYea, i'm also care about current power12:28
vi__Well, there is a murata test connector on the PCB...12:29
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divVerentif I am right, the wLAN driver is wl12xx12:29
XATRIXvi__: Are you kidding :) I'd like not to disassemble the handset and apply multimeter :)12:30
vi__Then you clearly do not want to know the TX power SO much.12:31
XATRIXI do :)12:31
XATRIXCause i want to optimize my power drain12:32
divVerentone OTHER way BTW would be setting up an adhoc WLAN12:32
vi__I think you are barking up the wrong tree.12:32
divVerentthen seeing on the OTHER host the receive power12:32
divVerentby that you would see if it even changes if you change the txpower limit between 10 and 10012:32
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vi__The real power hoover is the screen, then the CPU.12:32
divVerentsure, I know that12:32
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divVerentfor me it's just interesting12:32
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divVerentalso, I do like limiting tx power because nobody knows how harmful it is or not12:33
divVerentespecially when you have the thing right at your head :P12:33
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vi__Maybe this can help you?12:34
divVerentright, that is especially helpful if you want a limit BETWEEN 10 and 100 mW :P12:35
divVerenttoo bad iwlist relies on the same ioctl to get current txpower12:37
XATRIXI use 2 bars from the brightness level bar12:37
XATRIXNokia-N900:~# iwlist wlan0 txpower12:40
XATRIX Current Tx-Power=20 dBm  (100 mW)12:40
divVerentthat uses same info as iwconfig12:40
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divVerentas strace shows :P12:40
XATRIXWhat about bleeding edge drivers ?12:41
divVerentam just downloading source of these to check12:42
divVerentcloning the repo from takes a while12:42
XATRIXAlso that article guys was able to rise 20dBm -> 3012:43
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XATRIXNever heard about 5G O_o12:44
HurrianIt's a secret radio technology only used by N900 users.12:45
XATRIX"Radios consume power for both transmitting and receiving. A typical laptop WiFi radio may consume a few watts while in use. There are several tricks and tweaks you can perform to reduce the power consumption, even when you are using WiFi all the time. "12:47
XATRIXAbout WIFI power saving mode12:47
divVerentif I see this right, the wl12xx driver cannot turn on/off automatic send power levelling12:55
divVerentand also has no code to ask the chip for current power12:56
divVerentso either it always does the levelling, or never12:56
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divVerentso MAYBE the driver does indeed no auto levelling...12:57
divVerentonly one way to check12:57
divVerentmaybe someone has an AP that can tell receive power per client?12:57
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: XATRIX: divVerent: power hog of WLAN chip is not TX, neither on 10mW not on 100mW. It's RX(!) that cuts thru battery, particularly scanning for APs or a AP that doesn't support proper PSM13:06
divVerentwas talking more about the radiation effect :P13:07
DocScrutinizer05that's why maemo/N900 scans for available APs only once every 5/10/30/60 min13:07
DocScrutinizer05TX is never much more than 50mW on average, usually <1mW average13:08
DocScrutinizer05battery has ~4000mWh13:09
DocScrutinizer05screen backlight is 150..200mW *minimum*13:09
DocScrutinizer05(depends on ALS though)13:10
DocScrutinizer05honestly worrying about WLAN 10/100 setting is nonsensical13:10
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jaskabeing connected to some accesspoints that dont have psm or broken power saving stuff seems to take a whole lot13:12
jaskaand some other accesspoints have power saving that the n900 default wlan driver doesnt seem to understand so it makes ssh lag like hell13:13
DocScrutinizer05...or a AP that doesn't support proper PSM13:13
jaskawell, some of the shit at work has something odd going on with psm :)13:14
DocScrutinizer05luckily you can ajust PSM per AP/connection afaik13:14
DocScrutinizer05in N900 network config13:15
jaskayeah, but if i turn it off, woosh there goes my ~2500mAh13:15
jaskastarted keeping wlan off when i dont need it because of that :|13:16
divVerentthere is this auto disconnect tool BTW13:16
vi__DocScrutinizer05: Thatiswhatisaid.jpeg13:20
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: batter has ~1300mAh13:20
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: so what?13:20
XATRIXNot 400013:21
vi__Buy a better battery.13:21
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DocScrutinizer05WLAN says "10mW" not "10mA"13:21
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: It's kinda strange, because all of my friends who has iPhones told me wifi drastically decrease the battery life13:25
keriowell, idle vs idle+wifi with power saving is like half13:26
keriobut you're going from 8 to 16mA13:26
XATRIXYea, something like this13:26
keriohaving the screen on dwarfs both13:26
keriovi__: i bought the same battery as you and only got 1400mAh :(13:26
XATRIXLike i have13:27
XATRIXI have KEVA 1700, but actually 130013:27
XATRIXBut i have doubts abuout13:27
XATRIXMaybe it has the same resistor as the original Nokia has, to be compatible, and actually it has more Li-po detergent inside to capacitate more energy13:28
vi__kerio: I am sorry I recommended a dud :/13:28
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keriovi__: are you *sure* you've got 1700 and it's not just a calibration artifact?13:29
vi__kerio: 160013:29
vi__Well I did it 3 times.13:29
kerioit's ok, 1400 is like a current official bl-5j, and i paid this one a quarter13:29
kerio(of the official price)13:29
vi__On a spare n900.13:30
XATRIXkerio: nope, i did calibrate 3 times with Doc's script13:34
XATRIXAnd it seems like it's relevant13:34
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XATRIXI have Last Measured Discharge: 1298 mAh13:35
XATRIXa week ago it was exact 130013:35
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eddybI've had the bad idea to play with a metro card14:19
eddyband get it between my display and my keyboard14:19
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eddybI've accidentally disconnected everything in the display half of my N90014:20
eddybnow I need to take it apart and put it back together14:20
Hurrianeddyb, hopefully you didn't rip it.14:21
vi__OMFG, this code is an abomination.14:23
vi__This shit barely runs.14:23
vi__my boss: Ship it!14:23
vi__My pride as an engineer becomes more depleted as each day passes.14:24
Hurrianvi__: don't scratch away that pride, start building a pile of hate for middle management.14:26
vi__The problem is he is a total cunt.14:26
vi__But my LAST 2 engineers could have done this in a day! he shouts.14:27
vi__Your last 2 fuck goons are the reason we are in this mess.14:27
Hurrianvi__: ah, a total bellhead.14:27
vi__me: it is not so easy with NO debug hardware.  I have to spam stuff to the serial port just to observe variable changes.14:28
Hurrianvi__: the real question is, how do you drive the point into his thick skull that the program is a potato when it runs fine?14:28
vi__him: nonsense! You just look at the code and follow it through on paper.14:29
vi__me: it is easier said than done.14:29
vi__him: Nonsense, I have done it before!14:29
vi__What a fucknut.  This is >15000 lines of badly written, uncommented, non documented, non formatted C using a 6 year old IDE.14:30
vi__What do you mean the program is a potatoe?14:30
HurrianIt's a total mess, almost garbage, etc.14:31
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Hurrianvi__: Try describing what you want to do as "Restructuring the human-readable, unprocessed, raw declaration of the executable binary to be run on an embedded semi-cloud appliance, to increase efficiency and ROI exponentially."14:33
vi__when the 2 previous guys were 'learn on the job' non-programmers. yes.14:33
vi__Are you a manager?14:33
Hurrianvi__: According to a recent study, PHB cooperation is increased by utilization of vocabulary that exceeds utilization limits imposed by the PHB niche.14:35
vi__The routines that handle the display are a kind of finite state machine except the states are not named anything reasonable.14:37
vi__There names range from -5 to 6714:37
vi__The handling of the states is functioned across about 3 different files.14:38
vi__There is even functional code in header files.14:38
teotwakiWhat's wrong with functional code in header files?14:39
vi__I am probably wrong but I feel it should not be there.14:39
Hurrianteotwaki: when they're not library functions.14:39
teotwakiTry writing templates in a cpp file for giggles.14:39
teotwakiI can't be bothered to put Foo const & mycomp::myclass:get_foo() { return this->foo; } in a cpp file.14:40
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benediktso my n900 decided to shut down in the middle of a large apt-get dist-upgrade (over ssh, my fault probably)14:41
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benediktif i try to power on, i just get the nokia logo on the white screen and then its off again.14:42
jacekowskiflash it14:42
Hurrianit's bricked, baby.14:42
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benedikt(i've used debian for more than a decade so i'm coming from a techinical background)14:42
jacekowskiflash it14:42
benedikti got it used from a coworker and ive been wondering how to reinstall14:42
benediktjacekowski: can you link me to an appropriate wiki page?14:43
infobotsomebody said maemo-flashing was
HurrianIf you feel like wasting time, boot into RescueOS, chroot into Maemo, properly mount /opt, and restart the dist-upgrade.14:43
benediktHurrian: no, i'd rather start with a clean slate. she left it pretty bloated14:43
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jacekowskibenedikt: flash it14:43
benediktjacekowski: are you some sort of bot?14:43
teotwakivi__: don't badmouth the people who did things before you. They probably did so to the best of their knowledge and capabilities. If you think you can do better, do it; but ranting about how stupid your boss is or how shit the code is is pretty poor.14:43
teotwakivi__: I do exactly the same, I don't blame management though.14:44
benediktHurrian: i'm there14:44
benediktthanks for the help14:44
jacekowskibenedikt: no14:44
Hurriandownload both eMMC and rootfs files, run the command, note that internal storage is wiped too.14:44
benediktjacekowski: :D14:44
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* infobot thinks DocScrutinizer05 is a bot14:45
teotwakiinfobot: that's because that douche is one.14:46
infobotteotwaki: what are you talking about?14:46
teotwakiinfobot: what you just said, bitface.14:46
vi__~buttrape infobot14:47
vi__~beat infobot14:47
* infobot relentlessly beats infobot over the head with a Louisville Slugger14:47
teotwaki~rape herself14:48
* infobot takes herself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams14:48
infobotYou roll a 614:48
vi__It is not as smart as you hope14:49
infoboti heard human is the mind of an angel in the body of an animal14:49
teotwakivi__: stop ridiculing yourself. It's weird for everyone who's watching.14:50
DocScrutinizer05~dice 100d1014:51
infobotrolled 10,8,4,7,6,4,10,8,2,2,9,9,6,3,9,4,2,1,10,3,3,9,4,3,8,6,4,7,6,9,9,5,5,3,7,7,10,6,6,4,8,6,4,1,8,9,4,3,7,5,4,8,10,5,5,10,9,9,6,9,7,2,6,1,3,10,7,9,8,6,6,7,3,8,6,1,8,5,1,4,7,6,1,2,5,1,7,1,8,2,3,6,8,8,7,3,6,9,2,1 = 56914:51
infoboti guess 9! is 362,88014:52
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs14:53
vi__stop ridiculing yourself. It's weird for everyone who's watching. <- please explain this.14:53
teotwaki~dict ridicule14:53
infobotDictionary 'ridicule' (1 of 7): airs, arrogance, badinage, banter, barrack, be above, be contemptuous of, be disrespectful, be merry with, be overfamiliar with, brashness, brassiness, brazenfacedness, brazenness, burlesque, care nothing for, caricature, chaff, cheekiness, clannishness, cliquishness, cockiness, contemn, contempt, contemptuousness, contumely, crack a joke, crack wise, dare, denigrate, denigration, deprecate, deprecation, depreciate, ...14:53
teotwaki~dict weird14:54
infobotDictionary 'weird' (1 of 7): strikingly odd or unusual; "some trick of the moonlight; some weird effect of shadow"- Bram Stoker.14:54
eddybHurrian: nah it was a paper card, I think I just took a flexible connector out of its socket14:54
eddybnow a question... have you ever used adb on the N900, connected to another phone/tablet?14:55
eddybI want to root a Galaxy Tab 2 7" with just my N900 :D14:56
eddybif it's 4.0.3, it has a security hole and I can just use adb. but I need a special USB cable and adb on maemo :/14:56
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vi__what is adb?14:58
eddybandroid debug bridge14:58
vi__is it opensource/compiled for arm?14:59
eddybit's like an USB debug shell, once you've enabled usb debugging in an android phone you can connect to it14:59
eddybvi__: random post:
benediktHurrian: for future reference, how do i boot into RescueOS?15:00
DocScrutinizer05wtf got android debug bridge to do with maemo?15:00
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eddybDocScrutinizer05: I need to run it from maemo15:01
DocScrutinizer05ok, good luck15:01
eddybI can't carry my laptop with me to the scene :P15:01
DocScrutinizer05if you got a linux source for adb, and it doesn't too leete tricks to USB, it actually *might* work15:01
DocScrutinizer05though I honestly doubt H-E-N is fit for that type of usecase15:02
eddybyeah, I have never used it and I don't know how to even connect the two devices15:03
DocScrutinizer05maybe when you use a usb hub15:03
eddyb so there's two files related to usb15:03
DocScrutinizer05then you're out of luck i guess15:03
DocScrutinizer05afk, bbl15:04
* infobot waves15:04
eddyb <3 github15:06
eddybDocScrutinizer05: basic libusb usage, I'm sure it would work :D15:08
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DocScrutinizer05still not15:08
DocScrutinizer05H-E-N doesn't provide connect detection15:09
DocScrutinizer05you have to do ENUM manually15:09
eddybactually, there's a usbdevice_fs version and another one with libusb15:09
DocScrutinizer05for all I know adb depends on instant ENUM15:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway, I'm out15:10
eddybssize_t cnt = libusb_get_device_list(ctx, &devs);15:10
eddybDocScrutinizer05: however, the linux usbdevice_fs version starts a thread scanning for devices15:10
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: what can you say about Advanced Power v0.5.0-315:19
XATRIXMy logic tells me that default one indicator also does the syscalls and drain power15:19
XATRIXBut this one gives good information tho15:19
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kerioXATRIX: use the battery applet from cssu-devel15:29
XATRIXkerio: link ?15:29
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XATRIXCan't find anything15:33
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benediktWhere can i download the flasher for linux?16:23
benediktthe links on the wiki are dead16:23
benediktHurrian: found that site, but it appear to not include flasher-3.516:28
benedikt(is there a reason why the wiki hasn't been updated to point there instead?)16:28
benediktHurrian: sweet16:28
benediktHurrian: where is that accessible from the sitE?16:29
Hurriansee the first link on the page16:29
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benedikt"Maemo releases"?16:29
benediktHurrian: flasher-3.5 isn't on that page16:30
thedead1440"Command line flasher binaries are available here."16:30
Hurrianmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb 59328 Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit)16:30
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benediktthedead1440: aaah!16:31
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benediktwhat are OS200{7,8}HE?16:35
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* benedikt has no idea what to pick from 16:36
teotwakiOld versions of Maemo, Hacker Editions.16:36
benedikt"Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 "16:38
benedikti assume this is newer than "Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 " ?16:38
benediktand when do i want to flash the eMMC?16:39
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benediktwhere can i get the source for flasher-3.516:51
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benediktso flasher-3.5 depends on a version of libc6 that isnt in either ubuntu or debian17:02
jacekowskiflasher-3.5 is binary only17:02
jacekowskifuck yeah, breaking abi on linux17:02
benediktyeah, this is breaking a lot of things17:03
benedikti thought maemo was free software?17:03
jacekowskiit's free as in beer17:04
benediktnot as in freedom?17:04
jacekowskiand no it's not17:04
jacekowskinot fully17:04
jacekowskithere is a lot of closed bits including flasher17:05
benediktwell that sucks17:05
benediktmanaged to get it running on an ubuntu computer17:05
infobotfrom memory, closed is or
DocScrutinizer51for ultralatest, see
DocScrutinizer51it has PR1.3.117:08
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
benediktDocScrutinizer51: nah, i want something thats stable17:08
DocScrutinizer51that IS stable17:09
benediktisn't there any wiki you can trust?17:09
DocScrutinizer51it's just the release for Nokia servicepoints17:09 seems to be abandoned (lot of dead lines)17:09
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benediktand i was sent to, which i think is a mirror of an old maemo site that has disappeared17:10
DocScrutinizer51wiki is mostly just fine17:10
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
benedikthow much older is the stuff on skeiron than what you linked to?17:10
DocScrutinizer51skeiron is up-to-date17:11
benediktthen what is ?17:11
DocScrutinizer51what I linked to is so new it harly exists17:12
DocScrutinizer51I.E. Nokia never published that image on tablets-dev17:12
DocScrutinizer51see ~pr13117:13
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DocScrutinizer51the second link is Nokia17:14
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: what can you say about Advanced Power v0.5.0-3 ?17:16
XATRIXMy logic tells me that default one indicator also does the syscalls and drain power17:16
benediktDocScrutinizer51: cool17:21
benediktsounds like thats what i should download17:21
benediktDocScrutinizer51: is that the "global" release?17:23
DrathirXATRIX: better than wi fi i think dimm lcd lightning17:25
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I don't know advanced-power17:27
DocScrutinizer05benedikt: MR0 is global, afaik, yes17:28
Drathirwhat i see go to 10mW on n900 have less coverage and less data transfer rate...17:30
eddybI need to get one of these
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Drathiryes n900 wifi sensitivity is a quite good also with weak networks...17:32
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eddybso for $5 I can get an USB micro OTG adapter17:34
eddyband for $10 I can get a samsung galaxy tab 2 data cable17:34
eddybI put those two together and I can connect the tab as a device to the N90017:36
ShadowJKthere's no point of using 10mW17:37
eddyblolz, the tablet data cable is cheaper if you get an original17:37
ShadowJKThe option only exists because legally you're limited to 10mW outdoors in France17:37
benediktwhere is that option17:38
eddybin any wifi network's advanced settings17:38
eddybbut it changes for all of them17:38
eddybdoes this look like it will work with the N900?
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: it's a much detailed batter charge indicator. Stock one shows only a gauge, and this one shows the percentage + time to discharge17:40
benediktafter reflashing, its normal that it takes way longer to boot than normally, right?17:42
benediktit booted17:42
benediktis all user data kept on teh eMMC, including settings? (dotfiles?)17:43
eddybOH WTF17:43
eddybgoogle indexed a shitton of private data17:43
ApicTell news.17:44
DocScrutinizer05benedikt: yep17:45
benedikteddyb: thats called google dorking, its actually pretty big17:45
DocScrutinizer05takes longer17:45
benediktDocScrutinizer05: its up now17:45
DocScrutinizer05benedikt: yes, /home is on eMMC17:45
eddybbenedikt: it would have never happened if those files weren't public in the first place17:45
eddybbenedikt: or if they weren't linked from anywhere17:45
eddybweird, I expected to be a dumb directory lister17:46
kerioShadowJK: hahahha what? who limits their wifi tx power?17:48
kerioand how do you enforce it?17:48
benediktkerio: with laws. vendors and manufacturers follow them17:49
keriohe said "outside"17:49
keriowhich means that there's no such limit inside17:49
keriowhich means that you're legally able to sell wifi cards that do more17:50
XATRIXeMMC = RAM memory die or a standart SD card ?17:50
eddyboh shit... worst part about my phone being decapitated is that I don't have a phone number in case they phone me about the order I'm about to make17:52
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kerioeddyb: no other mobile phones?17:52
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eddybwell, there's a crappy Nokia 1000 I could try to revive :/17:53
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eddybso why does the service manual say to not reuse the screws?17:56
eddybwhat's that about?17:56
eddybok, I only need to remove 4 screws to get access to the flex connector17:57
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eddyb2/4 taken out. they're really easy to unscrew :D18:16
eddybOH FUCK18:18
eddybthe flex is ripped off >:(18:18
eddybthat stuff isn't even plastic18:19
eddybcheap nokia18:19
eddybit's some shitty rubber18:19
eddybit looks very bad without the cut, thermal damage18:19
Drathireddyb: oc cpu?18:22
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eddybjust the past couple of days, but the flex looks like it aged in a mildly heated environment18:22
eddybis plastic too much to ask?18:23
eddybthis is like rubber paper18:23
eddybDrathir: but you could destroy the flex if you overclocked the CPU for months, I think18:23
eddybthis shit is soo fragile18:23
eddybwhere the heck do I even get a new one?18:24
ShadowJKkerio; just look at random people randomly changing it to 10mW and claiming batteryife doubled ;)18:32
eddybunderclocking works for me18:33
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kerioShadowJK: would that really even happen?18:33
eddybwhen I don't need to be constantly using it18:33
kerioi expect my tx power to be at a solid 0 the vast majority of the time18:34
ShadowJKkerio; would what happen?18:34
keriobecause of powersaving18:34
keriodoubling battery life by lowering the tx power18:34
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ShadowJKYeah no, the emitted power is a small part of total power use of wifi18:42
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eddybI can order a replacement one :D18:59
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sixwheeledbeasteddyb: ~fixribbon19:04
infoboti heard fixribbon is
sixwheeledbeastjust repaired mine there's a full walkthrough19:05
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eddybthanks, that will be helpful :D19:06
eddybfor $50 I can get an original display :D (looking for replacement parts)19:07
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eddyb I hope I can get one here19:09
eddybdamn they don't have N90019:11
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sixwheeledbeastBe careful to check the images and description. I spotted some that where listed as N900 but definitely not. You can see my one from halagsm is clearly the correct one on the link.19:14
eddybsixwheeledbeast: I can't open the two middle screws under the slider :(19:14
sixwheeledbeastvery tight be careful do to round them19:15
sixwheeledbeasts/do to/to not/19:15
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: very tight be careful to not round them19:15
eddybat least they're meant to be one-use-only19:16
eddybI can find this
eddybbut I can't find the screws on ebay :/19:17
sixwheeledbeastif you can't get them out you have a big problem, see my ~fixribbon for more...19:17
sixwheeledbeastIIRC i had a PH0 PH00 PH000 screwdrivers the display screws where PH00019:18
eddybthe service manual says 0019:19
sixwheeledbeastwell I went off what fitted snuggly....19:19
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eddyb"In the end I removed the head with a tiny dremmel bit."19:20
eddybthis sounds worse and worse19:21
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eddybnow I'm curious19:24
eddybis it possible to replace the touch screen with a capacitive one?19:24
sixwheeledbeastwhy that's the best part, the accuracy of resistive19:25
eddybI guess the controller is resistive-specific anyway19:27
eddybsixwheeledbeast: but capacitive touchscreen can have multitouch, right?19:27
eddyband I found where to buy from
sixwheeledbeastbut maemo doesn't need it.19:28
eddybthat will arrive much sooner than a post package from hong kong19:28
eddyband it has two tools to help me :D19:28
eddybsixwheeledbeast: just asking :D19:28
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sixwheeledbeasteddyb: someone with the same wishful thinking
eddybisn't that worse than me?19:34
eddybI mean, I'm asking about the possibility of a hardware replacement19:34
eddybhe seems clueless19:34
eddyboooof course19:36
eddybpaypal account is kinda empty19:36
Drathirbtw maybe someone know it is possible to broke card reader in this way i have a sd card from blackberry formated in bb device with its data encryption and when i put it on n900 sd reader and close case and checking dmesg cant mount that sd and when i put out sd cart it is a very hot...19:39
Drathirvery hot not mean little warm, but really hot...19:40
Drathirbut i dont sure it is reason format of card or card is broken... i have no idea how to check that...19:41
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teotwaki~veryhot is not mean little warm, but really hot...19:43
infobotokay, teotwaki19:43
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sixwheeledbeastwell, you could try it in the bb again19:45
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Drathirsixwheeledbeast:  if i can that be great, but my bb9300 have a accident sadly...19:48
eddybsixwheeledbeast: WOOO I found one closer by :D19:49
eddybI still need the screwdriver19:49
eddybmine doesn't fit that well19:49
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sixwheeledbeastscrewdrivers are one use only :P19:50
eddybweren't the screws one-use-only?19:50
Drathirsixwheeledbeast: dmesg output
eddybnow that I think of it19:50
eddybsomeone could take all these replacement parts19:50
eddyband have a custom motherboard inside19:51
eddybpreferably something powerful19:51
eddybput android on it and enjoy :D19:51
eddybat least now I know what I'm looking for19:53
eddybit's called "band" here19:53
sixwheeledbeastDrathir: do you need the data off it?19:58
Drathirsixwheeledbeast: i think about dump with dd data but i dont know if it possible in that case20:00
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sixwheeledbeastwhat's the latest version of CSSU stable in r.m.o at the moment?20:08
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sixwheeledbeastanyone? Smaemo5 or Smaemo6 ?20:13
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Drathirsixwheeledbeast: i try to check stable but my testing is20:35
Drathirsixwheeledbeast: i try to check stable but my testing is Community SSU installed20:35
DrathirVersion: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.220:35
DrathirFlavor: Testing20:36
sixwheeledbeastit's k, wondering if the repos have been updated since infra move.20:36
Drathirif good remember in near future bomming a big update...20:37
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eddybsixwheeledbeast: so what did you do with your drilled screw?20:42
eddybdid you replace it?20:42
eddybI can't find screws anywhere20:44
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eddybdoesn't say which type of screws they are20:49
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eddybI had to check out C1-01's service manual20:51
eddybto see if the screws match20:51
eddybnope, torx+ size 420:51
eddybdoes anyone know if the iphone screws are the right ones?20:53
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eddyboh, finally,
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eddybcan I not get replacement screws21:02
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RiDi need help from the microUSB experts ->
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DocScrutinizer05eddyb: noody really uses replacement screws ever21:57
DocScrutinizer05except nokia care21:57
DocScrutinizer05nobody even21:58
DocScrutinizer05you should use relacements if you ruined the original ones on unscrewing them21:58
eddybno ood ever?21:59
eddybDocScrutinizer05: I'm afraid I'm going to ruin the screws :|21:59
RiDi'd be afraid of you runing the plastic things around the screws21:59
eddybRiD: those 4 screws are really easy to unscrew22:00
eddybbut the 6 on the back of the display module are very tight >:(22:01
eddyband I don't have a darn PH00 around22:01
RiDget a hammer22:01
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eddybthere's one online shop, but it doesn't let me buy stuff under $3 (and the screwdriver is $1)22:02
DocScrutinizer05get 322:02
RiDbuy 322:02
eddybare they *that* bad?22:02
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DocScrutinizer05honestly? yes22:02
eddybI was thinking of getting a 000, too, as per sixwheeledbeast's comments22:03
RiDDocScrutinizer05 do you know anything about microUSB fixes?22:03
DocScrutinizer05a bit22:04
RiD if you could take a look :P22:04
DocScrutinizer05what for?22:05
RiDi want to know if oh2btg's fix (last image) has any mistakes on it22:05
RiDbecause he says it was based on mipo, and mipo did something wrong and ruined it22:06
RiDi'm paranoid22:06
eddybDocScrutinizer05: you must be kidding me. it's not exactly $3, it's $3.(3). it's easier when I say it in dollars, but this is in my local currency22:06
RiDbuy 422:07
eddybthe delivery is like 2.5 screwdrivers worth22:07
RiDor try buying 3 and a half22:07
DocScrutinizer05RiD: this fix looks basically fine22:07
infobotsomebody said usbfix was - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)22:07
RiDyeah i've seen that thread countless times already :P22:07
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, your PCB looks perfectly intact22:08
RiDit WAS22:08
eddybDocScrutinizer05: thanks, time to write all my personal details for the millionth time today22:08
DocScrutinizer05you don't need that wire nightmare22:08
RiDuntil someone ruined it, trying to fix it22:08
RiDdon't have a pic of that though22:08
DocScrutinizer05eddyb: eh?22:09
eddybDocScrutinizer05: delivery address22:09
RiDone of these pins (don't know what to call them) doesn't work. It's the 2nd one, counting from right22:09
DocScrutinizer05not my problem22:09
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DocScrutinizer05what do you mean by "doesn't work"?22:10
RiDbad wording, lol. It was loose22:10
DocScrutinizer05the pad?22:10
RiDwhat is the pad22:10
DocScrutinizer05what was loose?22:11
DocScrutinizer05pads are those copper with solder on it aread on your board22:11
DocScrutinizer05pins are the little wires coming out of components22:12
DocScrutinizer05honestly, I can't help based on sparse facts22:13
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DocScrutinizer05to me your PCB looks like perfect condition to solder a new USB receptacle component to it22:14
DocScrutinizer05definitely, no doubt22:14
DocScrutinizer05zhe photo is pretty good22:15
RiDback, it seems that the pads are not solid anymore, one of them was ripped off and two or so were "raised" (terrible english) by the previous guy trying to fix it22:15
RiDi don't have an actual pic, but it looks nowhere as pretty as it does on that picture22:15
eddybthen get a pic22:15
DocScrutinizer05the heck22:15
RiDhave to disassemble it first22:15
eddybdo it?22:16
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eddybdo you have the tools?22:16
RiDI'll have to wait after dinner22:16
RiDit's not me who disassembles it, it's my father22:16
DocScrutinizer05so why theheck are you posting a meaningless photo?22:16
RiDgood question22:19
DocScrutinizer05so if seconf from right pad is defect, simply ignore it22:21
DocScrutinizer05for rightmost pad you can use a short wire to nearby mech support pad (the large square one)22:22
DocScrutinizer05since both are GND22:23
DocScrutinizer05the other 3 pads need to be ok, or you need the wire workaround22:23
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DocScrutinizer05so to answer your initial question: no, there's nothing obviously wrong with that photo in that post (except the short from rightmost pin to 2nd right, which isn't needed and doesn't serve a purpose22:27
RiDso, the 2nd right doesn't need to be "welded" like he did on the picture, only the rightmost?22:32
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RiDI see on the picture that he "ripped" that metal frame - i guess that it's quite hard to fix usb without removing it, am i right?22:34
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