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jacekowski  it failed the first time because of NFS issues00:01
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M4rtinKjacekowski: how often are packages imported to devel ?00:04
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jacekowskievery few minutes00:06
jacekowski2 minutes00:06
M4rtinKwell, still not there:
M4rtinKat least when looking at it in browser00:08
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jacekowskiit takes another couple minutes for it to sync00:11
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M4rtinKah, ok00:11
jacekowskiit's there now00:12
M4rtinKnice ! :)00:14
M4rtinKjacekowski: good job, thanks ! :)00:14
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jacekowskiand list maillist should work00:15
jacekowskiwell, it looks like it works00:15
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M4rtinKlooks like it takes about 25 minutes - so it is on par with the previous setup, maybe faster :)00:15
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M4rtinKcool ! :)00:16
M4rtinKalso the logs look fine00:17
jacekowskiso that leaves web ui00:21
jacekowskiand midgard issue with modrana00:22
M4rtinKBTW, doesn't seem to be only a modRana issue: also doesn't work00:24
M4rtinK+ another midgard:
M4rtinKis not updating :)00:25
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Maceri'm still looking around this unity thing and like01:57
Macerit isn't as exciting as the video made it out to be01:57
Maceri think i was suckered by the csi music in the background01:57
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Macerit's just gnome01:58
Macermade to look like osx with the dock on its left :)01:58
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* Drathir dont like unity...02:12
robbiethe1stKDE all the way02:13
robbiethe1stWindows without the Windows(TM)02:13
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uncloudedI like Unity.  there's more space on screen.  applications menus are merged in to the panel.  I use Unity2D though because the other one is all black on resume 1/4 of the time02:20
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Drathirrobbiethe1st: nothing better than old good gnome2, but now testing xfce4...02:33
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robbiethe1stI thought XFCE was decent, but never really liked Gnome 2. It worked, it did the job, but wasn't as... polished.02:34
Drathirunclouded: maybe you never using gnome2 nothing is faster cleaner in daily use with big amount of window opened- multitasking work...02:34
Drathirkde to much looks like scary win :/02:35
robbiethe1stI find it like Windows 7, with added configuration, and without the annoyances.02:36
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ShadowJKximian gnome was my favourite02:38
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uncloudedDrathir: I used GNOME2 a lot.  I only have two windows open: terminal and a browser and I use Alt+Tab to switch between them03:20
Drathirunclouded: in that case i agree with you dosent matter which you have, but when you have open 15+ apps or windows then not so easy with unity...03:27
uncloudedagreed, I try to keep it under 503:27
uncloudedthank goodness for gnome-terminal with 20 tabs though.  and tabbed browsing03:28
Drathirannoying for me was that they make unity default after update,  never be that no choise from user side...03:29
uncloudedagreed.  3 major releases later and it's less buggy but it was awful when released03:30
uncloudedthe only thing I don't like is the stupid dock thing on the left, which is only good for ejecting USB drives03:31
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Drathiryea on laptops remove a lot of screen... anyway that unity need acceleration is not like always be run on all kind of pc...03:33
uncloudedUnity2D doesn't though.  full unity is noticeably slower on my 2nd-gen i703:34
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Macerwow. things getting wild in cyprus08:41
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silverhomeso... you guys think its time to flash..when you get some sort of graphical glitch all over screen and the phone totally freze?11:10
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Drathirsilverhome: im aware that not be somthing worst... :/11:13
Drathirsilverhome: you oc your device?11:13
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silverhomewell i did oc a little before but havent done it anymore11:22
silverhomeso i hope reflash will fix it xd otherwise maybe hardware problem ;(11:23
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Drathirsilverhome: if oc was not long time and after that system works without problems maybe is software issue only...11:39
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silverhomewell i hope it is hehe..otherwise you can buy me a new phone ;D11:44
ilyfa /leave11:44
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Drathirsilverhome: if i won 1kk why not :p11:47
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DocScrutinizer05because there are no new N900 anymore11:48
silverhomehehe yeah ;(11:48
silverhomeme want a modern n900 ;p with better stuff then the other phones today hehe11:49
DocScrutinizer05and despite others constantly claiming "there *NEVAR* been *ANY* report of a single device broken because of OC" it is a _fact_ that OCing reduces lifespan of your SoC by factor 1000 to 10000011:50
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silverhomelol hehe11:51
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Drathirnothing better than n900 i think12:09
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thedead1440straw poll: Who is in favour of DocScrutinizer05 resigning from maemo administrator's position? I don't think he wants to listen to me anymore so can someone else put some sense into him?15:59
thedead1440qwazix: ^^ what do you think?16:00
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah! please!16:00
Hurrianthedead1440: shouldn't this be brought up on TMO?16:00
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, why?16:00
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders to unban estel, to get sufficent number of votes16:00
thedead1440Hurrian: no idea16:00
thedead1440after all he is always here but not always on TMO16:01
qwazixwhat happened (again?)16:01
* RST38h glances at DocScrutinizer assertively, starts collecing firewood16:01
DocScrutinizer05btw I didn't restrict my considerations to admin-manager position. Actually council feels just as a PITA position16:02
qwazixTell me about it :)16:02
thedead1440qwazix: he feels over-worked and over-loaded.16:02
qwazixthedead1440, I don't blame him, to speak the truth16:03
thedead1440qwazix: so we let him resign? I don't think that's good especially with his JRTZV being always online for immediate action16:03
qwazixOn the other hand resigning because one person said ***t about us is kind of... lame16:04
qwazixand this goes both to Woody and Doc16:04
GeneralAntillesEverybody just needs to relax.16:04
qwazix^^^ That16:04
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GeneralAntillesTake a few days off, disconnect your internet, clear your head.16:05
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thedead1440so then can someone kick Doc out of irc for a day or two to relax for real :D16:05
qwazixand ban him from tmo :)16:05
thedead1440I'll do the tmo ban :D16:06
qwazix(or better, take tmo down altogether so that everybody relaxes)16:06
qwazixAnyway, DocScrutinizer05 please, it's a couple of weeks left, let's finish this and we're out.16:07
DocScrutinizer05that for sure won't do you a favour for your evil plans. Since not touching stressy stuff for a while makes motivation to ever touch it again go away completely16:07
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qwazixevil plans???16:07
thedead1440qwazix: kicking him out and banning him ;)16:08
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: nobody is stopping you to "finish this"16:10
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I know but I can't do it by myself.16:11
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qwazixAt least the technical stuff16:12
thedead1440Maybe we can have some people helping in monitoring the infra traffic etc to see if things have gone down. Currently he has all the graphs 24/7 open thinking he's the only one looking for shit hitting the fan16:12
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you only watch ganglia and mtrg or anything else too?16:13
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DocScrutinizer05top on all boxen, usualy. virtman16:13
DocScrutinizer05can't share this ;-P16:13
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DocScrutinizer05honestly monitoring isn't a problem, I even don't do it anymore 24/716:14
thedead1440then what do you need people who share your work-load in?16:15
infobotthedead1440 meant: then what do you need people to share your work-load in?16:15
DocScrutinizer05what's really too much is politics and this constant bickering of every troll and wise man you ever seen on maemo16:15
thedead1440sigh then just ignore the politics; aren't qwazix and MT on Council enough to handle those?16:15
DocScrutinizer05it's not about workload, it's about mood16:15
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, you just have to ignore them, nothing else16:17
DocScrutinizer05banning one troll for spreading lies on IRC and when you think you're done you notice another "troll" doing exactly same on tmo. I'm not Justin Beaver and don't care about lies spread about me16:17
DocScrutinizer05each such lie hurts me16:18
DocScrutinizer05and I don't like to read any more of them16:18
qwazixI'm not replying to those threads not because I don't read them, but because there's no point in replying. We need to focus elsewhere16:19
thedead1440qwazix: +116:21
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: politics on tmo is like a never-ending thing. It may pause for somewhile then resume again. If you entangle yourself in that mess it would distract you from everything else16:22
DocScrutinizer05when i started engaging in maemo, i gave the public enough arguments they can bash me for, like being a grumpy old man, a frwak, whatever. You know all these. I don't mind since they are true. I don't want fools spreading lies about me in the "quality"/class of me posting /queries to drathir asking him to post some nonsense about gutus in this channel and I'd be so stupid that I send that to estel instead of drathir, but still start it16:24
DocScrutinizer05with "dear Drathir...". I'm not an idiot. I also don't like somebody stating >>The one person continually saying he disagreed kept leaving the conversation before anyone could inform him of that fact. Mainly because he's got a stick up his àss over the names of things<< which again leaves me looking like an idiot and actually this statement already contains two lies about me16:24
DocScrutinizer05ignoring all that would make me look like an idiot for the next 30 years16:25
* thedead1440 feels like closing that thread since its been decided that a BoD reelection would occur anyway16:25
DocScrutinizer05close and delete16:25
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thedead1440woody's post was troublesome in another way; he used accented "u"s in fuck to avoid the forum from converting his fuck to f***. After posting he reported his own post to ask someone to filter if appropriate. :D16:30
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to install a vBulletin plugin to put a 30 second delay and a few "Are you sure about this?" dialogs on new posts.16:31
thedead1440GeneralAntilles: something like the Gmail plugin whereby you do a maths problem before sending an email during certain hours to prove you aren't actually drunk16:32
GeneralAntillesI long ago made it a policy to go do something else before I post angry diatribes.16:32
GeneralAntillesUsually writing them up is sufficient to clear the irritation. :D16:33
thedead1440hehe true16:33
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RST38hMoo General16:33
GeneralAntillesHey, RST38h.16:33
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders when the F*ing heck HiFo will approve jacekowsky and xes16:38
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thedead1440In all honesty what would the official approval do? They get a badge that they are approved? :p HiFo wouldn't know who's doing what anyway16:40
infobotthedead1440 meant: In all honesty what would the official approval do? They get a badge that they are approved? :p HiFo don't know who's doing what anyway16:40
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DocScrutinizer05what been my quote on that, a few weeks ago? "Teacher, I need to go out for bathroom! Urgently!"   Teacher:"Well, you know where to get the form to fill and sign, and where to hand it in for getting approved"16:41
thedead1440lol was it that or the mother and eggs quote :p16:42
thedead1440ah yes milk16:42
DocScrutinizer05figure I had asked to get a "Go!" for the additional 4TB of HDD storage16:44
thedead1440you would have got a "No!"? :p16:44
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DocScrutinizer05for sure not, since HiFo can't utter *any* answer without meeting. Just a "please hold the line.... <dingdong> Please hold the line..."16:45
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qwazixbe back in a couple of minutes16:46
DocScrutinizer05and it seems not to agree on a new date for having a meeting, they need to have a meeting to decide on that16:46
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DocScrutinizer05and it seems now to agree on a new date for having a meeting, they need to have a meeting to decide on that16:47
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DocScrutinizer05leaving me in a pinch with all the responsibilty for all that shit, and any imaginable option to blame me for whatever later on16:48
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DocScrutinizer05woody laready implied I had ignored HiFo for the higher goal of keeping maemo alive, which isn't true16:49
DocScrutinizer05I don't break rules, I maybe bend them if nothing else helps. Not in this case though. HiFo simply didn't ever state that servers shouldn't get installed at IPHH, rather they were fully aware of the time map16:51
DocScrutinizer05so after server arrived at IPHH - with full acknowledgment of HiFo - warfare installed it. what else?16:52
DocScrutinizer05woody implied we (techstaff) did that in disregard of HiFo instructions. that's again an insult and lie which I'm fed up to read about16:54
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DocScrutinizer05From:  To:  Date: 2013-03-19 15:56  ////***** Icinga **** *Notification Type: PROBLEM Service: Disk Host: Address: State: UNKNOWN Date/Time: Tue Mar 19 15:56:24 CET 2013 Additional Info :Remote command execution failed: ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused17:02
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thedead1440hmm icinga is up though17:03
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DocScrutinizer05sure, blade-a seems up too17:03
DocScrutinizer05but www had another scary spice17:04
thedead1440yeah just saw it17:05
thedead1440it had that excess load at the same time icinga reported blade-a is down17:05
thedead1440but you removed the donation link so did this guy just wake up from his slumber to donate? :p17:10
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DocScrutinizer05  2nd and 3rd row are really creative bookkeeping17:12
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thedead1440lol what about the rest. only 2174 transferred out from the total pot of 467617:15
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MitrandirHi all17:40
Mitrandirdoes anybody have an alternative link on Maemo 5 SDK Virtual Image?17:40
infobotit has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
thedead1440Mitrandir: ^^^17:40
thedead1440the exact page for the images:
MitrandirWow, thanks a lot17:41
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* sixwheeledbeast thinks thedead1440 is on fire today :)17:42
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: hehe lol17:42
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GeneralAntillesqwazix, where are the council meeting minutes going up?18:34
GeneralAntillesLast post on is from December.18:35
qwazixUsually MentalistTraceur posts them up on tmo in the community thread as the login to midgard was broken18:35
GeneralAntillesAh, OK.18:35
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jacekowskisixwheeledbeast: how do you feel about doing some testing of web upload?20:28
sixwheeledbeastok but I got no more packages to offer up20:29
jacekowskiyou can just upload the same20:30
sixwheeledbeastwill it still build?20:31
jacekowskii can stop builder for a moment20:31
* sixwheeledbeast is loading VBox...20:32
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sixwheeledbeastjacekowski: ready? I have got a fresh package that I was working on a while ago.20:50
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jacekowskigo for it20:51
jacekowskibander 0.0.1?20:52
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sixwheeledbeastbugtrackers missing and maemo-icon but it should build.20:52
sixwheeledbeastyep bander20:52
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sixwheeledbeastits only a 4 band resistor calculator at the moment20:53
jacekowski/var/lib/extras-assistant/bin/ 25: [: fremantle: unexpected operator20:53
jacekowskiand line 25 is if [ $DISTRO == "chinook" ];20:54
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jacekowskiahm ok20:56
jacekowskifound the problem20:56
jacekowskican you try again?20:57
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sixwheeledbeast jacekowski: done20:58
jacekowskiit looks like it's there20:59
jacekowskido you want me to delete from the queue?21:00
sixwheeledbeastI'll fix the bits and upload it later21:00
sixwheeledbeast jacekowski:^^^21:00
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sixwheeledbeastjacekowski: going afk for a bit, will upload it later with the web iface and let you know.21:02
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jacekowskianyone familiar with scratchbox configuration for diablo?21:18
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MohammadAGQuick question everyone22:13
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MohammadAGIn C, suppose I printf'd a line bla123422:13
MohammadAGAnd I want to printf something between the bla and 12322:14
MohammadAGi.e. go back 3 chars22:14
MohammadAGIs that possible? (Without clearing and reprintfing?)22:14
RST38hthis has nothing to do with c but has everything to do with your console driver22:15
MohammadAGI'm asking for a friend, but he's using cmd so...22:16
RST38hso, yeah, SOMETIMES you can do "b l a 1 2 3 LEFT LEFT LEFT INSERT ..."22:16
RST38hin general, you are fucked though22:16
eccerr0rnot all terminals can "insert".  normally you keep track of what you need to print in your program before it gets dumped to the terminal.22:16
RST38hso, tell your friend to print the whole thing at once22:16
RST38hnot all terminals can even do "left"22:16
eccerr0rthat is true, most can however...  If your terminal is a real teleterminaltype... you can't even erase...22:17
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MohammadAGI pasted the convo and he gave up on doing what he wanted to do :P22:19
eccerr0rwhat *did* he want to do?22:20
MohammadAGApparently he wanted something like22:20
MohammadAG1. Option one22:20
MohammadAG2. Option two22:20
MohammadAG3. Option three22:20
MohammadAGAnd if the user types 2 (read with scan ())22:20
eccerr0ri mean, a word processor you can insert, it's fairly common to do this... but you need to redraw.22:20
MohammadAGIt adds an arrow or something22:20
eccerr0rif the terminal supports ANSI you can just go back up there and print the line over again.22:21
MohammadAG(scanf() (?))22:21
MohammadAGCommand prompt on windows22:21
RST38hMohammad: He can do it with CURSES22:22
MohammadAGThats a library22:22
eccerr0rok, he can do with SLANG too...heh22:22
RST38hMohammad: But I suggest reprinting the whole list every time a choice is made, with the arrow at the current choice22:22
MohammadAGHis project forbids those :p22:22
eccerr0rjust redraw, easy enough22:22
RST38hMohammad: it is ok, a lot of command-line based programs do just that - always reprint the whole list of choices22:22
RST38hMohammad: To make it fancier, print CLS (ascii code 0x0C) at the beginning22:23
eccerr0rmake a function that prints the choices and takes an arg for which one to highlight/modify and call it again after the user selected a choice22:23
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eccerr0rand yes, clear the screen before printing the menu so it seems like it was modified versus redrawn :D22:24
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eccerr0rthis slight of hand happens all the time, ever played computer games? :D22:24
MohammadAGI doubt they redraw :P22:26
eccerr0rthey do.  you just don't see it22:27
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MohammadAGIsn't there something called damage control or something?22:27
MohammadAGDrawing only what changed22:27
freemangordonssvb: hmm, it seems pixman 0.29.2 is the way to go, it is faster on every benchmark so far, excluding some exotics like add_n_8_2x10. And gradient ofc22:28
eccerr0rin the ideal world that's what you do.  But if you have to deal with lighting, reflections, etc. it gets hard.22:28
freemangordonI guess I can try to revert gradient to use integer math22:29
freemangordonssvb: how do you think, will upstream devs want to help?22:29
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ssvbfreemangordon: in fact it, the performance of gradients is about to get worse -
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freemangordonssvb: I see :(. However, I guess that can be reverted to integer only math.22:37
freemangordonssvb: though doing everything in FP might actually improve performance22:37
ssvbfreemangordon: yes, as long as it is done with NEON22:38
freemangordonas now there are countles FP<->INT conversions22:38
freemangordonssvb: hmm, why NEON?22:39
ssvbbecause unlike VFPLite it is pipelined22:39
freemangordonVFP (issued by gcc) should do the job too IIUC22:39
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RiD[20:39]     <freemangordon> VFP (issued by gcc) shoul22:39
RiDhow did i copy that22:40
RiDthat's what i wanted to paste. sorry about that22:40
freemangordonRiD :)22:40
freemangordonssvb: I hope gcc 4.2.1 will be able to optimize FP code22:41
RiDso, i've been using my n900 with broken USB for a long time...22:41
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RiDmipo said his fix was fatal.. so i'm worried22:41
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freemangordonssvb: otherwise cssu-thumb with 4.7.2 remains the only option :)22:41
RiD is that one correct?22:42
RiDor does it have the same mistake as of mipoo stated in his threat, and therefore could damage my device? yeah, i'm not good at this22:43
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freemangordonssvb: hmm, that gradient patch uses floats, not doubles, I am almost sure it will lead to way better performance than current22:50
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sixwheeledbeastjacekowski: just tried uploading "bander" again and nothings happened?23:22
jacekowskiDate: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:13:38 +0000 (UTC)23:24
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jacekowskithis happened23:24
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sixwheeledbeastmmm, ta. not getting any e-mails for any builds either. even the scp ones.23:34
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sixwheeledbeastmmm...armel was fine but not i386, never had that before.23:40
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