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Drathiris any possibility to dump n900 installed apps list?07:04
Drathiri goin to prepare for install u-boot and try to backup all info if i must reflash device...07:06
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uncloudedDrathir: would "dpkg --get-selections" suffice?07:35
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Drathirunclouded: ok i check that thanks07:43
Drathiron pc i always dump with synaptic...07:43
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Macerno more presto engine for opera08:17
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DocScrutinizer05 404, is that a known issue?10:31
DocScrutinizer05linked from ; stale link10:31
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: maemo backup app does a complete list of installed apps, and settings, and contacts, calendar events etc10:52
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DocScrutinizer05a (I think) a bit tricky question - only half offtopic:11:24
DocScrutinizer05when I want to create a shellscript that creates a ssh port forwarding (like ssh -i /home/jr/.ssh/id_rsa -L5900: and then invokes konqueror...11:25
DocScrutinizer05but (now the tricky part) QUITS the ssh forwarding when konqueror gets closed. How would I do that?11:26
DocScrutinizer05NB I don't want invoke konqueror on remote host - so no, I can't pass "konqueror" as parameter to execute, to the ssh command11:27
Hurrianwhile ps -ef | grep konqueror = konqueror() else killall ssh?11:28
DocScrutinizer05kinda like that, yeah. Feels extremely clumsy11:28
HurrianI wonder how you can catch a program's exit signal and use that as a trigger to kill a process.11:29
DocScrutinizer05konqueror && killall11:29
Hurrianssh && konqueror && killall konqueror?11:30
Hurrianuhh, killall ssh.11:30
DocScrutinizer05but killall gives me nausea in this11:30
DocScrutinizer05ssh doesn't return11:30
Hurrianps -ef | grep ssh -i /home/jr/.ssh/id_rsa -L5900: | cut $SOME_FORMAT | kill -9?11:30
Hurrianbasically, you're getting the exact process you want11:32
Hurrianassuming you know how it's invoked11:32
DocScrutinizer05yeah. i hoped for a nifty non-so-obvious way11:32
DocScrutinizer05like ssh <`konqueror`  or whatever11:33
DocScrutinizer05(sleep 3; konqueror)|ssh11:34
DocScrutinizer05the last one actually looks promising11:37
DocScrutinizer05with a little work, to not send random konqueror output to remote machine...11:38
DocScrutinizer05and of course ssh must run under root, so sudo, which will ask for password, which will delay the portforwarding get established... YUCK11:39
DocScrutinizer05konqueror knows so many nice protocols, like "devices://" and "sftp://", why doesn't it know something like "anyscript&&URL://"11:43
Hurrianbecause that's a vuln, methinks.11:44
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're basically asking for a dynamic ssh tunnel11:51
kerioi'm not quite sure it can be done11:52
keriowhy do you want it do be dynamic? is it to or from a mobile?11:52
DocScrutinizer05kerio: my plan is very simple. I need a ssh portforwarding to access maemo server's IPMI (~=BIOS) interface11:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: so there's no battery involved in any of this?11:54
DocScrutinizer05hte access to that IPMI interface is e.g per web browser, but before I start up web browser and point it to http://localhost:34567, I need to establish the port forwarding11:54
kerioautossh, and leave the tunnel always open11:54
kerioeasiest solution :)11:54
DocScrutinizer05and it's just cumbersome to juggle with xterm for ssh, with sudo, and with starting konqueror after I established the ssh port forwarding, and tearing down the ssh port forwarding in xterm after I closed konqueror11:55
kerioautossh it11:56
kerioand leave it open, i guess11:56
DocScrutinizer05nah, doesn't feel right11:56
DocScrutinizer05I mustn't have a permanent open link to security critical interfaces of maemo.org11:57
DocScrutinizer05if anything rogue happens to my local machine, I don't want it to sneak in to as well11:57
DocScrutinizer05(yeah sure, I know... more like a general policy than a real consern. but anyway)11:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: would you be happy with a kludge? :D11:58
keriois nc installed on the machine you're sshing to?11:58
DocScrutinizer05I'm happy with anything that works by point&click in 6 months when I forgot how to do this11:58
keriolocalhost:5900 stream tcp nowait joe ssh -T thatserver nc localhost 590011:59
kerioin inetd.conf11:59
DocScrutinizer05inetd!!! :-D12:00
kerioit should work12:00
kerio...but only if the identity file is passwordless, methinks12:00
DocScrutinizer05it is12:01
kerio <DocScrutinizer05> if anything rogue happens to my local machine, I don't want it to sneak in to as well12:01
DocScrutinizer05yeah, would still not be satisfied12:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: run it inside a ssh agent in some way12:01
Macerso is there a new hifo?12:01
DocScrutinizer05Macer: whatsup?12:02
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DocScrutinizer05so we all get 900k$ each from Mr Gates?12:03
Macerjust curious if the hifo was dismantled12:03
DocScrutinizer05why should it?12:04
DocScrutinizer05I think it even can't12:04
Macerlack of usefulness or redundancy maybe? lack of its board staying. things of that nature12:05
DocScrutinizer05Macer: please stop implying nonsense12:05
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DocScrutinizer05HiFo is absolutely NOT useless12:05
* thedead1440 wonders what happened to Macer's FOIA request to HiFo...12:06
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Macerthedead1440: sent it in. takes a while12:06
Macerespecially for paper records12:06
DocScrutinizer05OOOH, it's been Macer who pondered how to annoy everybody inside maemo "administration" (= council / board) with _really_ useless legal requests12:07
thedead1440so how it can be dismantled then? :)12:07
Macerall i did was send in a request for the tax records12:07
Macerit was just a 2 pafe form and a stamp heh12:08
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and a 2h useless trouble at very least for HiFo secretary12:08
Macerprobably nnot12:08
Macerthe records requested would be filed tax records12:09
DocScrutinizer05probably you're talking out of your ass12:09
Macerprovided by the us irs12:09
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Maceruhm ... k? the irs just sends copies of the records to the person requesting them. they dont ask for additional information because of it from the mfp12:10
DocScrutinizer05honestly, please go take it elsewhere. We're not interested in EX-maemonians pestering recent HiFo about nonsensical stuff12:10
DocScrutinizer05just for the fun of "because I *can*"12:10
Macerer. i wasnt. i was pestering the irs. but ok.12:10
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Macerhifo wouldnt even know the request was put in12:11
Macerunless they got audited which i doubt12:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh, didn't you say you sent it to HiFo?12:11
Macerthe us irs12:11
Macerwhy would i send it to them? lol12:12
DocScrutinizer05then we're even less interested12:12
DocScrutinizer05except for the audit you might have triggered, which we for sure will send you a present and a thank-you card for12:13
Macerlol... the only reason the irs would do that would be if the nfp had shady records12:13
DocScrutinizer05meh, take it elsewhere. We are not interested in discussing HiFo12:14
DocScrutinizer05at least thedead1440 and me12:14
Macerregardless... going to try bending my pins a bit and try getting my n900 fired up12:14
DocScrutinizer05and kerio12:14
Macerif it doesnt work ill just get another one to have12:14
kerioi love talking about HiFo, it's my most favourite subject!12:15
Macertheyre kind of cheap now12:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: apparently there's no proper way to set up an on-demand tunnel :(12:15
kerioi mean, that's the most proper way12:15
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks for popping stack! ;-)12:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's why I'd prefer to script it12:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if you intend to do that, make sure to use connection multiplexing so it won't actually open more than one connection12:15
kerioand... meh, if the identity file is passwordless we're hosed anyway, if your computer is stolen or attacked12:16
kerioso i still think that you might as well use autossh12:16
Macerwth. no more ebay mobile site?12:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: when would it ask you for a password?12:17
kerioand when should it "expire"?12:17
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DocScrutinizer05good question, I probably need to add some --askpass parameters etc12:18
kerionot only that, you need some way to close it, but only after you're done12:18
DocScrutinizer05and it expires when I close the app that uses the tunnel12:18
kerioha ha no12:18
keriohttp opens a bunch of connections12:18
kerioand closes them, too12:19
keriothere's no way to identify something like that, except by encapsulating the app12:19
kerioand isn't konqueror one of those fancy programs that do IPC and don't actually do more than one process?12:20
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DocScrutinizer05that's why I ponder "(check-for-established-tunnel 34567; konqueror 'http://localhost:34567 &>/dev/null)|ssh -L34567:ipmi:34567 joerg@jumphost.maemo.org12:22
DocScrutinizer05and no, i think konqueror should work in this setup12:23
keriokde must be saner than i thought12:23
DocScrutinizer05at least it looks like it should work, whenever I start konqueror instance from shell. It returns exactly when I close konqueror12:23
DocScrutinizer05konqueror instances may get preloaded, to speed up startup12:24
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, I got a similar thing to setup, that works with a complete VPN, and IPMIview which is an annoying java app (C) supermicro12:27
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DocScrutinizer05and I probably don't want that VPN up 24/7 either, for absolutely same rationale12:28
keriojust make a shellscript12:28
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SpeedEvila useful alternative can be a cacheing proxzy12:51
SpeedEvilbeing able to search locally for historically accessed stuff can be handy12:51
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Macerlets see if i can pick this in box new n900 up for 202.50 heh13:53
RiDthat's a lot of money13:54
Macerreally? i didn't think so.13:54
Maceri think if it were used it would be13:54
RiDdepends on how much you have in the wallet13:54
Macermy other n900 has been off so long it won't even try to turn on/charge13:55
Macerthe modem was dead in it anyways13:55
Maceri really do like the e7 tho :) symbian belle was on the verge of being awesome13:55
Macern900 has one major thing that makes it all worthwhile... well... 2.... telepathy and an xserver :)13:56
Maceri never used one but i heard the meego telepathy front end was supposed to be really ince13:57
RiDspeaking of symbian, i lost my N73 somewhere13:59
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Macerif symbian had like another couple of months of development it would have been perfect13:59
Macerit really needs a new txt msging app13:59
Maceri wish it had telepathy13:59
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RiDi hated the ui on the first touchscreen symbian devices14:00
Macerand email notifications.. wtf was up with that? probably just one of those things they were getting around to14:00
Maceri bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between android and belle14:00
Macerit actually looks rather maemoish... i suppose that's the qt14:01
RiDdoes belle have a dropdown, like android?14:01
Macerand email notifications don't go into it lol14:01
Macerthe only way to know you have an email is to use a widget i suppose14:01
Macerbut i doubt it was their fault... nokia probably pulled the plug on it14:01
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Macerso they never really got to it14:01
RiDyou still have windows phone14:02
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Maceri sold it on ebay for 15514:13
RiDi thought you were trying to buy one?14:13
Maceri got the e714:13
Macercacelled att and recouped my money by selling the lumia 90014:14
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Macersince a new contract meant a free lumia 900 plus $100 of fre accessories14:14
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Macerso in the end i just have to pay back the $100 for the lumia :)14:15
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Wizzup_hm, seems doesn't work anymore14:29
Wizzup_Is there another place where images are hosted these days?14:29
Wizzup_thank you.14:30
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if infobot could get tweaked to answer this particular question without attaching attention char to the head of it14:39
DocScrutinizer05oooh wait, I could set up an autoresponder in konversation14:40
DocScrutinizer05but that might get annoying14:40
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably
DocScrutinizer05If does not work use the following mirror:14:42
DocScrutinizer05CBA to spread more hints across the interwebs14:43
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Wizzup_DocScrutinizer05, I immediately went to a diff part of the guide14:45
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benediktanyone used erminig?14:52
Wizzup_benedikt, yeah14:52
benediktWizzup_: did you have any issues?14:52
benedikti can't get it to sync properly with google calendar14:52
benediktevents that i create in the phone arent synced to google14:53
Wizzup_I set it up a long time ago, and it seemed to work14:53
Wizzup_never touched it after that14:53
Wizzup_still seems to work14:53
benediktmaybe its a hit and miss thing14:53
benediktsyncing from desktop seems to work14:54
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DocScrutinizer05google changed API afaik14:55
DocScrutinizer05nobody got it to work14:55
benediktbloody hell14:55
benediktsyncing from to the maemo phone works14:55
benediktbut not the other way around14:56
DocScrutinizer05at last that's what I seem to recall i've heard14:56
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narcosIs it possible to force the N900 to boot when a power source is plugged in?15:15
freemangordonnarcos: actually it boots :)15:19
freemangordoninto ACT_DEAD mode15:19
narcosfreemangordon: ahhh15:23
narcosfreemangordon: Can we ask it to boot into ACT_ALIVE mode? :)15:24
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benediktDocScrutinizer05: i can only get the google -> phone working, not google <-> phone15:27
benediktall bugs in the issue tracker are from 2008 or 201015:27
benediktso i guess its something about google being dicks15:27
DocScrutinizer05narcos: yes, that's possible with a flasher command to set a powerkey option15:28
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: Could you nudge me in the right direction to achieve that? When you say 'flasher', do you mean the flasher utility we use from our PC to flash the phone?15:33
DocScrutinizer05it has an option to set a flag that's like "powerbutton=on" or similar15:33
narcosDocScrutinizer05: That's great, super useful, thanks. *Googles*15:34
DocScrutinizer05aiui it causes N900 to start up like if powerbutton been pressed when you plug in USB15:34
narcosOK, perfect15:34
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narcosLooks like it may be  "--set-rd-flags force-power-key"15:40
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narcosSpot on.15:44
narcosOne million internet points for DocScrutinizer05.15:44
narcosActually, you should set up a PayPal donation page for the number of times you've helped people/me.15:44
DocScrutinizer05haha, there is one15:45
narcosOh? Retired on it yet? :)15:45
DocScrutinizer05yeah sure. If you assume "vacant"="retired"15:46
narcosah :-/15:46
DocScrutinizer05Recently there are actually some donations there, for migration15:47
DocScrutinizer05which almost compensate my expenses15:47
narcosI found your openmoko page15:48
narcosAh ok15:48
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: Gotcha, nice.15:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, what are you living off of, at the moment?15:56
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: yep16:01
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DocScrutinizer05narcos: thanks16:17
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DocScrutinizer05now stuff slows down quite a bit16:19
DocScrutinizer05oops -ECHAN16:19
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narcosDocScrutinizer05: np16:25
DocScrutinizer05((<DocScrutinizer05> which almost compensate my expenses)) my expenses on maemo of course :-D16:28
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narcosHookers and blow on your own tab?16:29
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DocScrutinizer05some servers to pay for, plus an occasional donation to maemo for HDD etc16:30
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: where i find this maemo backup app?16:34
DocScrutinizer05in appstarter menu16:34
DocScrutinizer05called backup16:35
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: you need setup socket in web browser to using a tunnel i think...16:38
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: lol thx i hide it for security...16:43
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: hmm?16:50
DocScrutinizer05oh, the backup app icon?16:50
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: yes i hide to noone use it ...17:40
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Drathirone thing is annoying... when unlock phone when typing password numbers showing for a second... and if someone watching when typing pass can see it...17:42
Drathirfor me thats looks like bug...17:43
ApicWell, you have to leave backdoors _somewhere17:43
ApicI jumped from a bridge, then I couldn't remember my N900 Keycode for months17:43
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Apic(Srsly... broke both arms, one leg and one jaw)17:44
kerioApic: rescueOS17:45
kerioand why did you jump from a bridge? that sounds like a bad idea17:45
ApicYeah well, I almost couldn't type at all with the broken arms, and suddenly I remembered my passcode again17:45
ApicYes, I was tortured in Psychiatry17:45
ApicI suddenly got a legal guardian who locked my credit cards and my online-banking17:46
ApicThen I ran away from Psychiatry to another Psychiatry which didn't take me but sent me back to the original one, where they didn't leave me out for two weeks17:47
ApicWhen I finally was granted to go outside two hours again I went even madder and jumped... cannot remember anything for hours before the act17:48
ApicWell... that all was end of 2011... now my body parts are largely usable again \o/17:52
ApicAnd my trusty phone still works B-)17:52
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RiDApic what the19:14
RiDthat's a crazy story19:14
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DocScrutinizer51infobot: ping19:17
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xavinuxhi people, I am new to MAEMO19:19
freemangordonxavinux: hi and welcome19:20
vi__My n900 alarms have stopped working.19:21
xavinuxthank you freemangordon19:21
vi__All of them.19:21
vi__Stuff set up with alarmd, alarms set by the clock applet?19:22
RiDit's the 2013 march glitch19:22
freemangordonvi__: both stock and replacement?19:23
vi__I have not tried stock yet.19:23
freemangordonvi__: WFM, though don;t have alarmd :)19:23
xavinuxhave a Nokia N9 and would like to know if I can help the project19:24
xavinuxknowledge about Linux19:24
freemangordonxavinux: try on #harmattan19:24
vi__lol, Well good for you mate!19:24
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vi__So what are you working on these days FMG?  Did you ever finish mplayer/ramz?19:24
freemangordonxavinux: #maemo is more or less Fremantle oriented19:24
freemangordonvi__: upstream pixman, embedlite on fremantle19:25
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xavinuxoh thanks freemangordon for your answer19:25
freemangordonvi__: and other stuff too :)19:25
vi__Is embedlite using pixman?19:25
freemangordonvi__: gecko? you can bet on it :)19:26
freemangordonvi__: it is using cairo-qt or (from 2-3 weeks) skia19:27
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vi__will it support html5? flash plugin?19:28
vi__freemangordon: are you icoderus on tweeter?19:29
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sixwheeledbeastvi__: hows it going. Not seen you floating about in a while19:30
vi__I am still here.19:30
vi__Just not so much to add these days.19:30
vi__sixwheeledbeast: did you write the perfect n900 wiki page?19:32
freemangordonvi__: no19:32
freemangordonvi__: hi is harmattan dev, seems a skilled one to me. he did a lots of contributions to harm embedlite UI19:33
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freemangordonvi__: "rus" comes from russian :)19:35
vi__the clue was in the name.19:35
sixwheeledbeastvi__: it was a community effort originally by wirr IIRC. But I did a big rewrite on it, why?19:36
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vi__You forget to mention hildon startup progress or whatever it is called in the list of junk to remove.  It is the 5 dots.19:37
neitherI got myself a n900 and I'm trying to connect it to an zarafa groupware via MfE.. I get this Error Message: "either exchange server requires secure connection or account is disabled" ..the ssl cert is selfsigned and the ca cert is already imported via the certificate manager.. I already googled on this issue but im still not sure how to troubleshoot this..19:37
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sixwheeledbeastvi__: I have never removed it, probably would scare people if "five dots" disappeared it is a beginners wiki after all. "hildon-welcome" is another. The thread is there for more advanced users.19:41
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sixwheeledbeastthe main thing to purge is "cherry" PITA19:50
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vi__You should make a seperate heading specifically for cherry.19:52
sixwheeledbeastmmm, was thinking the same. looking on TMO for the cherry thread19:53
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sixwheeledbeastvi__: will sort that later found a wiki page just on cherry I'll link it in
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infobothmm... skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
infobotrumour has it, mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new21:33
infobotmethinks rmo-new is do `echo >>/etc/hosts` on your N900, as root, or
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Macerthe n900 eventually sold for 26521:35
Macermy max was 22521:35
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DrathirC[C[C[C[C[C[C[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D welcome new users...21:40
Drathirim sorry for that strange symbols shouldnt be there...21:43
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: forget about rmo-new22:05
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DocScrutinizer05((<freemangordon> vi__: WFM, though don;t have alarmd )) wut?22:07
Siceloi noticedl resolves ok22:08
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DocScrutinizer05~forget rmo-new22:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot rmo-new22:12
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DocScrutinizer51so I finally nuked my gorgeous uptime on IroN90023:52
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DocScrutinizer51and first comment: F U tracker-indexer!23:54
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