| Estel_ | thanks a lot, as I'm clueless here | 00:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | r.m.o down, was trying to install mplayer | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | great | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | try from mirrors, maybe? | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | I used merlin's ones | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | fremantle | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | free non-free | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | maybe it's related? | 00:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | possibly, do you have new worldclock? | 00:06 |
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| Estel_ | 0_p lemme check if on that device | 00:10 |
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| Estel_ | no | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | vanilla, forget about it | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | no, sorry | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | it is replacement | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | damn, kerio made it so good i got mistaken | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | how is worldclock related? | 00:11 |
| kerio | wat | 00:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok I have clock-ui in usr/share/doc, don't you mean adek? | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | no clok-ui in /us4/share/doc, despite having replacement clock | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | s/us4/usr/ | 00:13 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: no clok-ui in /usr/share/doc, despite having replacement clock | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm what triggers the purge of usr/share/doc? | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | kerio, ^ | 00:14 |
| Estel_ | optifying is called from postinst scripts (which should be written the way that fucks installation, when such unimportant things as doc fails...) | 00:15 |
| kerio | a dpkg trigger of some sort | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | but it's first time I've heard about maemo purging it | 00:15 |
| kerio | user@kerio900:~$ cat /usr/share/doc/README | 00:16 |
| kerio | Purged by docpurge | 00:16 |
| kerio | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge | 00:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: sh in /usr/sbin/docpurge called by dpkg | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | but, why it's fatal for my dpkg, and isn't for others? | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | in my case, failure to do optification of /usr/share/doc, result in errors that I've quoted, and "subprocess post-instalation script returned exit code 1" | 00:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fapman, :P | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | returned exit error code 1 | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | no | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | apt | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | from terminal | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | *not* used for cssu | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | in that device | 00:21 |
| kerio | are you sure it's that? | 00:21 |
| kerio | there's plenty of postinst triggers | 00:21 |
| Estel_ | definitely, wait, I'll pastebin output | 00:21 |
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| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?0f0ee7c3971def23#LV3Ol1Wr/NqzfgRw8KRBjUp2f10E9ZeKp58l9gHeTNY= | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | kerio, sixwheeledbeast ^ | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | sorry it took to long | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | got problems to paste it from 2nd device | 00:30 |
| kerio | there's nothing in stock maemo or cssu that *optifies* /usr/share/doc | 00:30 |
| kerio | /usr/share/doc is deleted the fuck away from the device | 00:31 |
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| Estel_ | but it seems that those packages have smth optifying it in doc? | 00:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maemo-optify? | 00:33 |
| Estel_ | or MohammadAG package man-db does that? doubt it, I think i have it on 1st device too | 00:33 |
| Estel_ | btw | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ae74704f81bc9f98#5Sh10pp8qXJkC8+kVomLGLgWF3RUmrOApDUAub8fUvc= | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | this one is funny too | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | wget | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | :P | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | no idea wtf that means | 00:34 |
| kerio | i'm not entirely sure of what you did to your n900 | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | not wget what meansp but it's error | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | nothing ;) | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | just installed things like in dozens before | 00:34 |
| Estel_ | I *do* recall having to touch fake docs in 2 or 3 packages in my 1st device, long time ago - blamed it on errors in packaging that things | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | maemo-optify does indeed optify /usr/share/doc files in a package | 00:35 |
| kerio | hm | 00:35 |
| kerio | Estel_: is maemo-optify installed? | 00:35 |
| kerio | and why? | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | Then docpurge purges them, yay | 00:35 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, but /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge deletes them before | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | maemo-optify is something usrd on a deb | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | No, after | 00:36 |
| Estel_ | in my case, it seems to do it before | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | Thats why users often end up with postinst errors | 00:36 |
| Estel_ | so maemo-optify cries - pretending to be subprocess postinst script - that have nothing to optify in doc, and dpkg uses that as excuse to leave package not configured | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | Oh wait | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, but why it affect my 2nd device, and 1*st device seems not affected, and other people don't feel it too? | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | Have an easy fix | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | touch /usr/share/doc/fubar? ;) | 00:37 |
| kerio | dpkg -P maemo-optify | 00:37 |
| Estel_ | :P | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install mplayer | 00:37 |
| kerio | literally *nothing* except pkg-kde-tools depends on it | 00:37 |
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| kerio | what the fuck | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | kerio: no use | 00:37 |
| kerio | why do you have it installed and why does it exist | 00:38 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: -P removes config files too | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | Its not installed | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | Its something a dev runs on their deb | 00:38 |
| Estel_ | 0_0 | 00:38 |
| * Estel_ goes to start drinking while investigating it | 00:38 | |
| kerio | well, mplayer doesn't do that for me when i install it | 00:38 |
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| RST38h | Hi MohammadAG | 00:39 |
| RST38h | How is suffering nowadays? | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | Hey RST38h | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | More expensive I guess :P | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, maybe that mess is something cssu could fix? optifying smth then purging it is super-fun | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | microsoft would be proud | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: a fix is to update maemo-optify so it adds a -f check | 00:40 |
| * Estel_ nods | 00:40 | |
| MohammadAG | If a file doesnt exist dont fucking move it | 00:40 |
| * Estel_ nods | 00:40 | |
| MohammadAG | But that would require all devs to rebuild packages | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | 'm glad my humble case may help maemo science and improve cssu. But why the fuck I'm affected, and other aren't? | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | kerio: check your postinst | 00:40 |
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| MohammadAG | Estel_: installation failed the first time | 00:41 |
| * Estel_ goes try reinstalling | 00:41 | |
| MohammadAG | Or you were installing mplayer with a package that failed | 00:41 |
| Estel_ | one need to reinstall one by one, or bunch of offending packages is ok? | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | If reinstalling with apt doesnt work simply dpkg -I the package from /var/cache/apt/archives | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | The whole bunch should work | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | I've had this bug so many times | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | If apt doesnt work, again, use dpkg | 00:42 |
| kerio | ...also, wtf, shouldn't the postinst happen before docpurge? | 00:43 |
| Estel_ | hm, reinstalling bunch doesnt work here | 00:44 |
| Estel_ | trying one by one... | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so /usr/share/doc should contain only "README", correct? | 00:44 |
| kerio | yeah | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I have clock-ui package in there | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | package? | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | wtf | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, lame question, I know | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | where apt cache downloaded packages? | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | apt-get install --reinstall one by one doesn't help | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | trying dpkg | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well not the whole package but changelog.gz | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | ah | 00:45 |
| Estel_ | so, where the f apt cache were? | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | Fuck android | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | btw when I install -reinstall, obviously, apt tries to configure all other packages too | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | . /var/cache/apt/archives | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | as they were unconfigured | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, thing is not a problem on other devices | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | Third type I've typed it | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | Time :) | 00:46 |
| Estel_ | android sucks, I know | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: you could also try dpkg -force-all --configure -a | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | --force... | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | that was thing I was going to do if normal holy wail fails | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | use the force, luck | 00:47 |
| Estel_ | Luke, even | 00:47 |
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| Estel_ | anyway, the question remains - why the fuck, despite it being fubar, it doesn't affect other people's installations? at least not as much? | 00:48 |
| Estel_ | erm even after reinstalling, my /var/cache/apt/archives contains only empty "partial" directory | 00:49 |
| Estel_ | needed to clean some minutes ago, though, as I was getting ful home | 00:50 |
| Estel_ | (1.5 GB downloaded packages) | 00:50 |
| * Estel_ goes to searcg for that commands forcing apt to re-download | 00:50 | |
| kerio | apt-get clean? | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall -d install | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | Just force configuration | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | Really no harm froma failed mv | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | It does affect users | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | I've seen it on my device a lot | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | And I've seen it on tmo | 00:52 |
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| Estel_ | I see | 00:52 |
| Estel_ | well, I mean that when I asked now people to try it, no one got affected, and I had hundreds of packages today | 00:53 |
| Estel_ | spend hours touching /usr/share/doc/<package name> like idiot | 00:53 |
| Estel_ | instead of forcing it from very beginning | 00:53 |
| Estel_ | I was just curious wtf causes it | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | A failed postinst | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | Of one package | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | Unrelated note | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, will you post it somewhere on cssu channels? maybe someone will be interested in fixing this shit | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | as you've said, fix should be easy | 00:55 |
| Estel_ | benefits huge ;) | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | My iPad has been on for 29 days | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | rotten apples? ;) | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Estel_: the problem is this is a dev package | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | ah, yes | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Devs would need to rebuild | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | well, at least future packages would be unaffected | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | It needs to go in extras | 00:56 |
| Estel_ | and devs carrying would just rebuild, for example, with new version release | 00:56 |
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| Estel_ | so, the sooner we start with it fixed, the sooner af after few years - most packages will be unaffected, at least maintained ones | 00:57 |
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| Estel_ | WTF | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | Was the builder fixed? | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | after --reinstall -d, my /var/cache/apt/archives is still empty | 00:58 |
| Estel_ | although, I have /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin | 00:58 |
| kerio | MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache? | 00:59 |
| Estel_ | yea, builder work(ed), until repos went down again | 00:59 |
| kerio | or /home/user/.apt-archive-cache | 00:59 |
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| Estel_ | oh, right, my brain isn't exactly functioning the usual $PATH way for messing with this maemofication, today :) | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | MohammadAG: builder, for some yes. but my package has been in the queue for nearly 12hrs | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | kerio: that's for HAM | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | hm, no packages there | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | hm | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | not plain apt | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | so wtf with my apt, why it doesn't save packages | 01:03 |
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| Estel_ | /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, which is 4.2 MB in my case, dopesn't have anything to do with it? | 01:05 |
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| Estel_ | great | 01:14 |
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| Estel_ | psswitcher package doesnt want to configure even with --force-all | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | and doesn't want to get purged either | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | without even telling why, just pre-removal script failure | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | dpkg --force-all -r psswitcher doesnt work too, for same reason | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, sorry for bothering, what you propose in that situation? :P | 01:16 |
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| Estel_ | it's funny package that enables speakers during conversation, when keyboard is slided out | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | it works on all my devices | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | but here it spits more serious (than missing doc) error about postinst script: "can't stat '/tmp/psswitcherd' | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | ~rape apt | 01:19 |
| * infobot takes apt behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 01:19 | |
| Estel_ | ~rape dpkg | 01:19 |
| * infobot takes dpkg behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 01:19 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah ... | 01:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | dpkg doesn't purge the /usr/share/doc | 01:21 |
| kerio | Estel_: reflash | 01:21 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, don't be silly, reflash is for sissies. btw I bet I would run into same problem back again ;) | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | how one would get rid of package that doesn't want to either configure itself or purge? I haven5 had to do it in years | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, hm? | 01:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | this is why clock-ui bits are still in /usr/share/doc | 01:22 |
| kerio | Estel_: i still have scrollbars in Conversations and i have no faintest clue why | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | I see | 01:22 |
| kerio | i tried reflashing | 01:22 |
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| kerio | i got upset by the different, stock screen vibration feedback | 01:22 |
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| kerio | and restored my backup | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | lol :) | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | well, I have those scrollbars that disappear after a while, there | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | anyway, my question about how to wipe from existence a stuck package, that doesn't want to either install properly or purge itself, still remains | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | dpkg --force-all -r still gives postinst script errors | 01:24 |
| kerio | dpkg -P? | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | same | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | erros were encountered during... | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | I though, that those fckin force options were to help in such case | 01:25 |
| kerio | even with --force-all? | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | yea | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | dpkg --force-all -r or -P = dpkg bitching about pre-removal script being ugly | 01:25 |
| kerio | Estel_: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.*rm | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | so it can't proceed | 01:25 |
| * Estel_ madly goes to execute that | 01:25 | |
| Estel_ | just after removing everything from dpkg -L packagename | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | anyone got handy a sh magic to rm result of dpkg -L? | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | some grep or whatsnot? | 01:26 |
| kerio | don't do that | 01:26 |
| kerio | although... eeeh | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 01:27 |
| kerio | Estel_: just rm `dpkg -L packagename` | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | why shouldn't I do that? | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | shit, I don't have ` mapped to hw keyboard | 01:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm ... psswitcher is non-free too IIRC | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | wut? | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | wut? I got non-free package without knowing it? | 01:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | can't check source | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | isn't it it freee section? | 01:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | non-free = no source | 01:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hence "free non-free" in HAM | 01:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wanted to check the source a good while ago and couldn't IIRC | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | shit | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | btw, it have 0 files 0_o | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | maybe due to being unconfigured | 01:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_non-free_armel/psswitcher/0.2-3/ | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | dpkg -L show files, but none of them exist | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | what the fuckin fuck | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | I wonder what an idiot made such simple package non-free | 01:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "Jay Pangmi" | 01:32 |
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| Estel_ | never heard of that guy | 01:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sudo dpkg -r psswitcher | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | no way | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | doesnt work | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | due to pre-removal script | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | dpkg bitching about it even when --force-all, don't even mention trying it without force | 01:36 |
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| Estel_ | oh great, now I've lost all icons on device | 01:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | how? | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | yoiu know what? going to restore backup | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | shouldn't execute commands when tired | 01:37 |
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| Estel_ | rm `dpkg -L psswitcher | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | it wasn't rm -r, so it should only rm matching files | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | but somehow, it screwed all icons | 01:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have suspicions about psswitcher being broken, hence why I wanted to check source a while ago. | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | it definitelly works ok when installed long time ago | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | I have it in main device, 0 problems ever | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | maybe it lost compatibility | 01:38 |
| kerio | what's psswitcher? | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | due to some changes | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | program that automagically turn speakers on when keyo,board is slided out | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | or proximity uncovered | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | or what you configure | 01:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oh I am not saying it doesn't work I use it, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | had no idea it is closed source shitte | 01:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_ remove non-free from applcation catalogues | 01:39 |
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| Estel_ | I bet it's main usage - speaker on when keyboard slided out - could be rewritten in 30 min | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, fact. Sometimes I don't mean closed source - like fckin flash plugin | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | just missed it about that one | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | it was one of first things I've installed as N900 newbie | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | and never touched it since that | 01:40 |
| Estel_ | in any way | 01:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~psswitcher | 01:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mmm kerio: it's a pkg in extras for routing phone to loudspeaker etc etc | 01:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: psswitcher uses "watch cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state" | 01:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yum, poll h/w every 2 secs | 01:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_:"cp /etc/event.d/psswitcherd /tmp/ && sudo apt-get install --reinstall psswitcher" | 01:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you haven't restored backup yet? | 01:54 |
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| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, haven't had /etc/event.d/psswitcherd either, as it ultimately failed to install on first place | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | btw it polls proximity every 2 sec only if you have this option enabled | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | otherwise it reacts on keyboard slided out | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | via dbus? | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I need to restore backup, as that rm command got ultimately wrong, somehow | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | half things on device doesn't work | 02:02 |
| Estel_ | backup isn't old, so it's not a big deal | 02:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I gathered that for proxy | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | just before today's batch of programs | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | hm? | 02:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | polling | 02:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | polling while in call to be exact | 02:03 |
| Estel_ | polling even, when only slide is used? | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | lame method, honestly | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | btw even proximity sensor have irq for that | 02:06 |
| Estel_ | so one can avoid polling | 02:06 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | my point exactly ^ | 02:07 |
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| Estel_ | I would get it out of my main device, although I'm quite afraid to use purge :P | 02:09 |
| Estel_ | joking, should work here | 02:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have prerm postrm postinst script open hence ^ with tmp file | 02:10 |
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| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, hm | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | so prerm script is borked? | 02:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | err, not sure. | 02:36 |
| Estel_ | but even with something in /tmp/psswitcher, script fails during install or purge, later, without giving reason (failed on that device) | 02:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_ well there's not much to prerm script tbh | 02:38 |
| Estel_ | postrm? | 02:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | if -f /etc/event.d/psswitcherd then rm fi | 02:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | else echo "postrm called with unknown argument" | 02:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: http://pastebin.com/CS0jKbXH | 02:44 |
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| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, hm, I wonder how it could fail, then | 02:47 |
| Estel_ | goodnight ;) | 02:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mm | 02:48 |
| Estel_ | I have long night of reinstalling 1.5 GB of packages, ffs | 02:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes ... bed is lucking good now | 02:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | lets hope r.m.o and garage are up in the morning :) | 02:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn | 02:49 |
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| Creteil | Does someone have any informations about 'https://garage.maemo.org/builder/' ??? | 05:00 |
| Creteil | It is a pain trying to build something since migration ... | 05:00 |
| Creteil | Any help we can provide ? | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: please elaborate | 05:04 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, For example : | 05:07 |
| Creteil | - I do not receive mail anymore with status 'OK' or 'FAILED' since migration. | 05:07 |
| Creteil | - Also actually I can't access anymore : https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0/ | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | migration happened 2 days ago, since yesterday we're looking into fixing builder | 05:08 |
| Creteil | What can I do to help ? | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linger on here and listen what's getting done, test builder and report here, preferably to jacekowski | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read chanlog of this afternoon (~12..15h ago, particularly posts by jacekowski) | 05:14 |
| Creteil | Does jacekowski is up or does he sleep right now ? | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also posts by sixwheeledbeast and m4rtink | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he probably sleeps right now | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but generally builder should work since ~2 days | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least for some users and some methods of upload, witha bit of luck | 05:17 |
| Creteil | By 'What can I do to help ?' I mean maybe I can help on the box managing the 'auto-builder', since I have some experience in systems management ... | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'd need experience with midgard and with autobuilder | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both are basically opensource | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and jacekowski built his own local autobuilder some years ago, so he knows a bit about ours | 05:19 |
| Creteil | ok | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you feel you would like to accept a maintainer role and responsibility for parts of maemo.org infra, talk to me | 05:20 |
| Creteil | In open source, even you didn't have experience of a dedicated subject (midgard & autobuilder), sometime, just login on system, and just looking everywhere, you can help to find things ... | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're a small but smart team right now, and would welcome additional manpower | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: alas i'm not allowed to grant such access | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org is not exactly public domain | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo appointed me to grant access only to those guys that got accepted by both council and HiFo BoD | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have assets to protect for 40000 users | 05:24 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, I have no problems with this rules, I gonna wait some more days to be able to push new/updated packages ... | 05:25 |
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| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, does http://midgard-project.org/ is related ? | 05:29 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, Just forget, I have the answer ... http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo_and_midgard_go_well_together/ | 05:31 |
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| Creteil | My last build of movgrab FAILED because of dependencies not satisfied on the autobuilder box ... | 05:48 |
| Creteil | This is what I remind, because even the log cannot be accessed actually ... | 05:48 |
| jacekowski | yes it can | 05:50 |
| Creteil | jacekowski, ??? | 05:50 |
| Creteil | I'm trying to access https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0/ but I can't ... | 05:51 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 05:51 |
| jacekowski | wait a second | 05:51 |
| jacekowski | it looks like a repository VM went down again | 05:53 |
| Creteil | Any clue about why the VM goes down ? | 05:54 |
| jacekowski | XEN | 05:55 |
| jacekowski | VM is still running but xen disconnects the network | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: ohnoes | 05:56 |
| Creteil | Leave ZEN with XEN :-) | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: I'll give machine a reboot, ok? | 05:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 05:57 |
| jacekowski | just check if it's the same thing as last tiem | 05:57 |
| jacekowski | time* | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too late | 05:57 |
| Creteil | :-) | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | already triggered reboot | 05:58 |
| Creteil | Wasn't these box are supervised in terms of connectivity ? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but mail to *me* fails due to err, spamfiltering | 05:58 |
| Creteil | Lol | 05:59 |
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| Creteil | How long does it take to resurrect from a reboot approx ? | 06:00 |
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| Creteil | Also, maybe a Nagios where we put all servers to survey can be a good start to be in touch with the architecture health ... | 06:02 |
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| jacekowski | we have icinga | 06:03 |
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| Creteil | Ok | 06:04 |
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| Estel_ | Hm, I've restored backup on tht 2nd device and everything went back to normal and works like a charm... EXCEPT for advanced-interface-switcher | 06:10 |
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| Estel_ | it just disappeared from hildon-status-menu | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | tried --reinstall, tried killing hildon-status-menu, tried purging advisw and all it's dependencies... | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | reinstalling | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | still no luck. Every other status menu applet works like charm. | 06:11 |
| Estel_ | advisw works when I call it manually via it's scripts | 06:12 |
| Estel_ | just no fuckin applet in menu | 06:12 |
| Estel_ | wtf I ask, wtf? | 06:12 |
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| Creteil | Estel_, ??? | 06:13 |
| Estel_ | yea, quite my reaction, too | 06:13 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: imagine you are having so much problems restoring; what would happen to $user if he ran into troubles | 06:15 |
| Creteil | Estel_, no, I mean what are you talking about, because here I'm talking since 4am about autobuilder was down, and then you come and look like you talk about probably your N900 device troubles ... ;-) | 06:15 |
| Estel_ | Creteil, se irc logs from todays evening | 06:15 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, yea | 06:16 |
| Creteil | :-) | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | I just wanted to avoid vanilla reflash and installing from scratch to save time | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | it seems, that it would be faster, ffs | 06:16 |
| Estel_ | my optfs backup was borked somehow - all things got backuped except for basic maemo graphics, so I had desktops and icons but no buttons and pink status menu background... | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | restored from ages old optfs | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | that I'm sure had nothing removed after, just things add | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | over-extracted that "lackingn optfs backup over it | 06:17 |
| Estel_ | every single bit works like charm, except for advisw, which anyway, reside on root, LOL! | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | even freakin brightness applet works, just no advisw, trying to purge hildon-status-menu and it's dependencies, now... | 06:18 |
| Estel_ | me wanna apt-get install --reinstall --purge $EVERYTHING command | 06:19 |
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| thedead1440 | Estel_: if you could once everything is resolved document maybe on a thread on TMO your problems and solutions; it may help people who are advised always to flash even though there are ways to manually fix things up and also show not only $users get into shit situations but even the greatest find themselves in shit at times :D | 06:20 |
| Estel_ | sure, as I'm one of greaest ;) | 06:24 |
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| Estel_ | anyway, why not... | 06:24 |
| Estel_ | for sure I will document case with optification and pre/post/inst scripts | 06:24 |
| Estel_ | as it seems to ocassionaly confuse other users to oblivion, too | 06:24 |
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| thedead1440 | yup; thanks! | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | I would love to document how my kernel got restored to omap1 on this device yesterday... | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | but I have no freakin idea | 06:25 |
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| thedead1440 | hehe maybe a thread "Estel and his adventures" :p | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | as it was clearly due to accidentally dpkg -i kernel-power packages, but nowhere in the code is anything that could d that omap1 isn't even backuped anywhere | 06:25 |
| Estel_ | yea | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | voodo programming | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | and to add icing on the top, today usb port started to move and break connection on this device | 06:26 |
| thedead1440 | perfect | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | after week of using it (device), just while my soldering iron is out of service for a week (or it would be soldered down already, before problems) | 06:26 |
| thedead1440 | it can't go wrong further (or can it?) so it becomes the ultimate guide :D | 06:26 |
| Estel_ | :P | 06:27 |
| Estel_ | it reminds me that I might need to invest time reading 0xFFFF, as I may be not able to flash from pc soon ;) | 06:27 |
| Estel_ | or I'm not already without knowing it | 06:27 |
| Estel_ | or I'm not already without knowing it | 06:28 |
| Estel_ | (it's not my main device with such adventures) | 06:28 |
| Estel_ | worst part - device need to be ready till tomorrow evening, as it goes with my son for week long trip and voip is predefined there for contact | 06:28 |
| Estel_ | maybe I will put it into kitchen oven for reflow, that would be a guide | 06:29 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 06:29 |
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| Estel_ | just raped hildon-status-menu and it's dependencies, alongside few cssu packages, time for reboot and reinstalling them... | 06:30 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 06:31 |
| Estel_ | I could imagine $SOMESHIT conflicting from my old opt and actual opt, but I can't get why such thing lives through purging advisw and reinstalling it | 06:31 |
| Estel_ | it's strange and unlikely, but maybe somewhere deeper smth is screwd - although, other status menu applets works just fine | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: sorry, repo is down again. xen problems | 06:34 |
| Estel_ | ugh, device lived through getting rid of hildon-status-menu and friends, but purging status-area-applet-battery and clock-ui made it reboot instantly | 06:38 |
| Estel_ | love how maemo prioritizes critical packages | 06:38 |
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| Estel_ | yea, bootloop! | 06:46 |
| Estel_ | it seems that deinstalling battery applet was critical mistake | 06:46 |
| Estel_ | it shutdowns just after I input lock code | 06:47 |
| Estel_ | lovely | 06:47 |
| thedead1440 | boot it with rd-mode enabled? | 06:47 |
| thedead1440 | i think flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset should allow it to bootup | 06:49 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, look like you also need a XEN skilled guy ... | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got at least one, but yes | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last bug we ironed out, basically we contributed the patch to xen upstream | 06:50 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, no usb, remember? ;) anyway, it looks like something shut it down thinking that it don't have power in battery? It had bme replacement, maybe it's allergic to touching applet | 06:50 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: hehe; maybe its allergic to you :p | 06:51 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: if you're such experienced xen expert, please don't hesitate to /query me and negotiate details. As already mentioned we're still looking for new members for our team | 06:52 |
| Estel_ | __|_ it, I'm reverting from backupmenu backup again | 06:52 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 06:52 |
| Estel_ | ...which of course means doing it via terminal, as, for some reason, backupmenu doesn't like that sd card | 06:53 |
| thedead1440 | is that the ring finger Estel_? Just like school-kids getting around the ban from using the middle finger :p :D | 06:53 |
| Estel_ | and doesn't want to mount it, as it is /dev/mmcblk1 | 06:53 |
| Estel_ | and backupmenu expects /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 06:54 |
| thedead1440 | oh can't backupmenu's scripts allow you to change it? | 06:54 |
| Estel_ | nope, need to get into recovery shell | 06:54 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 06:54 |
| Estel_ | and don't say "ban" in DocScrutinizer05 victinity, I'm sure he now reads through chanlogs... | 06:55 |
| Estel_ | ...to see how you got offended :P | 06:55 |
| thedead1440 | wtf lol | 06:56 |
| Estel_ | especially, estel and ban in one sentence may work like red carpet for him | 06:56 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 06:56 |
| thedead1440 | see my school-kids analogy was apt ;) | 06:56 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, I'm using vmWare on our side ... | 06:57 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, what is the brand XEN running on ? | 06:57 |
| Estel_ | ;) he shouldn't be able to see it, as he presumably put ignore on my nick | 06:57 |
| Estel_ | if he is now scavenging through chanlog anyway, it is his own fault :P | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, we'd be better off with vmWare or any other virtualization, but for hysteric raisins we had to go for xen first step of our migration#2 | 06:58 |
| Estel_ | see? a serious, responsible, technical man | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: please rephrase your last post | 06:59 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, What hardware XEN running on ? HP, IBM (IBM blade ???) | 06:59 |
| Estel_ | it's lovely, when he ignores me - all that demonic madness goes away from his virtual x-eyes | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Creteil: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has a whole wealth of info | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl pointer to supermicro server | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with 4 blades, of which 2 are populated right now | 07:00 |
| Creteil | DocScrutinizer05, any other channel we can talk about infra ? | 07:01 |
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| Estel_ | oho, troubles ahead | 07:01 |
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| Estel_ | oh, sure | 07:10 |
| Estel_ | After so many hours debugging it I just mixed gtar -x with gtar -c | 07:10 |
| Estel_ | replacing my backup :P | 07:10 |
| Estel_ | good that I have backup of backup of backup of backup file with backup | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>for a defamation it's irrelevant if/that it is a lie. It's just sufficient to tell it constantly and frequently to make the masses believe in it<< | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all in line with Woody14619's fundamental codex of fighting such defamation each single time it gets told. If only he wouldn't fall for similar telling incorrect statements about me... | 08:44 |
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| Sicelo | kerio: thanks man. finally found that trick to 'skip' connecting to dummy network, etc | 09:12 |
| Sicelo | :-) | 09:12 |
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| kerio | Sicelo: yay | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, closing FF to free up 1.2GB(!) of RAM | 12:11 |
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| kerio | why would you run other programs, anyway? | 12:14 |
| kerio | firefox does everything you need! | 12:14 |
| kerio | give him all your ram! | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 12:14 |
| kerio | this is something i quite like about java programs, in fact | 12:15 |
| kerio | you can (must?) specify hard limits for ram usage | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like MacOS | 12:15 |
| * Macer is still an opera fan | 12:16 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you mean classic? | 12:16 |
| Macer | although opera is supposed to swap over to wk | 12:16 |
| Macer | so it will be just another webkit browser :) no more presto | 12:16 |
| Macer | what a shame. it's like when apple gave up on ppc | 12:16 |
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| kerio | it's not that apple "gave up" on ppc | 12:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 gives maemo.org the finger and heads out for some walk in the sun. 58h of shock and awe are enough | 12:18 | |
| Macer | what's wrong with maemo.org? | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when something goes down - DON'T RINg ME! | 12:19 |
| thedead1440 | finally! | 12:19 |
| kerio | it's just that apparently nobody was able to make a dualcore G5 that didn't burn a hole in your pants because of heat | 12:19 |
| Macer | doesn't ibm still use ppc? | 12:19 |
| Macer | x86 seems to burn a hole in your pants too without a ridiculous array of heatsinking and fans :) | 12:20 |
| Macer | i'm still a bit shocked the world hasn't started using arm based laptops | 12:20 |
| kerio | no windows for ARM | 12:20 |
| Macer | well... windows RT nowadays | 12:20 |
| kerio | and moving to a different architecture is only possible if you can recompile the source :) | 12:20 |
| Macer | not sure how well that works tho.. never tried it | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: what's wrong? ? ???? watch e.g. http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?c=maemo&h=garage&v=343.81&m=load_one&r=hour&z=default&jr=&js=&st=1363504816&vl=%20&ti=One%20Minute%20Load%20Average&z=large http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www& | 12:23 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you said you are leaving | 12:23 |
| thedead1440 | can someone (anyone) kick Doc out for his own sanity | 12:24 |
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| Macer | is this supposed to be moving or something? | 12:27 |
| Macer | heh | 12:27 |
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| Macer | what's with that load avg in the middle ? lol | 12:28 |
| Macer | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph.php?r=day&z=xlarge&c=maemo&h=garage&v=343.81&m=load_one&jr=&js=&vl=+&ti=One+Minute+Load+Average | 12:29 |
| Macer | that sure doesn't seem normal.. i sure hope the y axis isn't seconds | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | load is load | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you usually have loads <1 | 12:30 |
| Macer | ouch | 12:30 |
| Macer | you had a 500 load ? :) | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | <N for N-core systems | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 12:31 |
| Macer | well... 425 or so | 12:31 |
| Macer | well... i'm sure that slowed things down to a crawl | 12:31 |
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| Macer | any idea what caused it? | 12:31 |
| Macer | broken build bot? :) | 12:31 |
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| Macer | probably the same noise the server made | 12:32 |
| Macer | heh | 12:32 |
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| Macer | that sure is a steady trend too | 12:32 |
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| Macer | look at the brighter side... it stopped doing it for a while :) | 12:33 |
| Macer | maybe someone is superseeding 5000 torrents from your box haha | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&m=load_one&s=by+name&c=maemo&h=&host_regex=&max_graphs=0&tab=m&vn=&sh=2&z=small&hc=4 | 12:34 |
| cityLights | can I flash maemo/meego on any current cellular . like nexus4? | 12:34 |
| cityLights | 2. when will joola release their phone? | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1: no, 2: ask in #jollamobile | 12:35 |
| cityLights | thnaks | 12:35 |
| cityLights | did you write Proximous? | 12:35 |
| Macer | wow .. nice graphing heh | 12:37 |
| Macer | www seems fickle | 12:37 |
| Macer | that wiki is being mean as well | 12:37 |
| Macer | using mysql are you? :) | 12:38 |
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| Macer | it looks fine other than the web server | 12:39 |
| Macer | with its peaking at 40 heh | 12:39 |
| Macer | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2 | 12:40 |
| Macer | wtf? | 12:40 |
| Macer | what's with that gap in graph data in the day view? reboot? | 12:42 |
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| Macer | you don't require a swap for the webserver? | 12:44 |
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| Macer | Swap: Using 0.0 of 0.0 MB swap. | 12:51 |
| Macer | CPU Utilization:78.2 8.9 11.2 | 12:54 |
| Macer | wow and that's 4 dedicated cores? | 12:55 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb_: ping | 14:44 |
| ssvb_ | freemangordon: pong | 14:45 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: re pixman - what are your concerncs, stock is 0.16.2 and there is no ABI breakeage between that and 0.28.2 | 14:46 |
| ssvb_ | freemangordon: pixman 0.22 dropped a workaround for buggy old x servers, and looks like maemo is using such old x server | 14:48 |
| ssvb_ | the workaround mentioned in comment 23 from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484#c23 | 14:50 |
| povbot | Bug 22484: was not found. | 14:50 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: hmm, lemme google a bit | 14:51 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: though, shouldn't we have segfault already if that was the case? | 14:52 |
| ssvb_ | maemo x server based on 1.7 pre-release is almost there, it is just missing the patch from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484#c12 | 14:52 |
| povbot | Bug 22484: was not found. | 14:52 |
| ssvb_ | that bug was originally about just some icons not being displayed, but you can surely wait for a real segfault to be encountered by somebody before taking some action | 14:54 |
| ssvb_ | freemangordon: it may be a good idea to check whether the x server has any maemo specific changes and try to upgrade it to the latest stable upstream 1.7.x release (applying maemo modifications if necessary) | 14:57 |
| ssvb_ | or cherry pick the patches which address this particular issue | 14:57 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: by looking at the code, that patch is there | 14:57 |
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| ssvb_ | freemangordon: which code? | 14:58 |
| freemangordon | xserver | 14:58 |
| ssvb_ | link? | 14:58 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb_: no git repo, you need to get tar.gz. or wait a minute, I'll pastebin it | 14:59 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: http://pastebin.com/p1s6sGQm | 15:01 |
| freemangordon | ssvb_: I can;t find the second patched functio | 15:01 |
| freemangordon | *function | 15:01 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb_: copy_drawable that is | 15:01 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: no copy_drawable function in maemo xserver sources | 15:06 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: still here? | 15:12 |
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| ssvb | freemangordon: yes, here is the log of changes to this file on 1.7 branch - http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch | 15:15 |
| ssvb | the copy_drawable function had been introduced in "Fix clipping when windows are used as sources" patch | 15:16 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: and reverted here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=196aff9b18381d700fb28027186cce6e68ad587c | 15:17 |
| ssvb | right, that's a good catch | 15:18 |
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| ssvb | I'm trying to identify the exact upstream version or commit for fbpict.c from maemo | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: me too | 15:22 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: I guess it is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/plain/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=196aff9b18381d700fb28027186cce6e68ad587c | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | will diff | 15:24 |
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| freemangordon | dammit, how to get it plain for a speceific commit? | 15:33 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: I am almost sure we're here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/fb/fbpict.c?h=server-1.7-branch&id=49f77fff1495c0a2050fb18f9b1fc627839bbfc2 | 15:45 |
| ssvb | yes | 15:45 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: so you think there is a problem? | 15:46 |
| ssvb | looks like it is the state exactly before the source clipping fixes got applied to xserver 1.7, hence it should behave like 1.6 and new pixman versions dropped support for this in version 0.22 | 15:50 |
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| ssvb | though I'm not sure if it would be easy or even possible to reproduce any serious problems on maemo | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: hmm? elaborate please, I still don;t get what the problem would be. Going to run all the pixman tests in the meanwhile | 15:55 |
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| ssvb | freemangordon: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22484 was about invisible notification area icons in gnome | 15:59 |
| povbot | Bug 22484: was not found. | 15:59 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: but stock pixman is 16.02, the bug is for 0.15.12+ | 16:01 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: ooh, i see | 16:02 |
| freemangordon | that workaround was removed in 22.2 | 16:02 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: I guess I can re-introduce it, just to be on the safe side | 16:04 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: thanks, I think I finally grok it :D | 16:05 |
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| ssvb | freemangordon: you are welcome :) | 16:09 |
| divVerent | fyi, I had asked for a problem with fcam-drivers some days ago... | 16:09 |
| divVerent | the issue is that extras' fcam-drivers does NOT work with extras' kernel-power | 16:09 |
| divVerent | but extras-devel's fcam-drivers work with extras' kernel-power | 16:09 |
| freemangordon | divVerent: install fcam drivers from extras-devel | 16:09 |
| divVerent | so, blessn900 now works fine for me :) | 16:09 |
| divVerent | yes, just said I did that | 16:09 |
| divVerent | and that it fixed it | 16:09 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: I guess reintroducng the workaround will fix any posibble issues, agree? | 16:10 |
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| ssvb | freemangordon: yes, though admittedly I'm not quite sure how to test it | 16:11 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: I'll try to find a way, there is a removed test here http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pixman/commit/?id=9c19a85b0037d48fdd180a2c59ef05bdc4f46680 | 16:14 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: also I have a bug report for some broken widgets, so I guess I'll be able to test it | 16:18 |
| ssvb | :) | 16:19 |
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| cityLights | is there any other cellular except the N900 that is able to run maemo/meego? | 16:26 |
| Sicelo | maemo, none | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-17 11:34:40] <cityLights> can I flash maemo/meego on any current cellular . like nexus4? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-17 11:34:55] <cityLights> 2. when will joola release their phone? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-03-17 11:35:20] <DocScrutinizer05> 1: no, 2: ask in #jollamobile | 16:54 |
| cityLights | ok, sorry man | 16:55 |
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| freemangordon | ssvb: kudos :) | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | ssvb: http://pastebin.com/MyDuDGWH | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | phew :D | 17:18 |
| freemangordon | the reported bug is fixed too | 17:18 |
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| thedead1440 | freemangordon: just upgraded libpixman and libxml; during installation i got a message saying the timestamp for the postrm, control etc are 5793s in the future. Shouldn't affect the system right since the installation seems to have gone fine? | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: no such messages here, are you sure your ctime is correct? | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | *time | 18:01 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: yup; http://pastebin.com/7Y48zAuU | 18:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | no issue here either however installed them separatly | 18:03 |
| thedead1440 | hmm maybe something is borked on my device :D | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: looks like | 18:03 |
| thedead1440 | anyway it installed fine so i don't think it should be an issue | 18:03 |
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| thedead1440 | it could be a dpkg bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640298 | 18:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | thedead1440: patched in version 1.16.1 it seems. | 18:14 |
| thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: yup on the n900 its 1.14 | 18:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | however it just ignores the timestamp | 18:14 |
| thedead1440 | yeah its a trivial thing | 18:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yer, 1.14.25 | 18:15 |
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| NeutrinoPower | does the repository "extras-testing" work? | 19:54 |
| NeutrinoPower | and "extras-devel"? | 19:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | NeutrinoPower: what do you mean by work? | 19:56 |
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| NeutrinoPower | for weeks I cannot install package from extras-testing | 19:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | repos are up now, which pkg? | 19:58 |
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| NeutrinoPower | http://neutrinopower.dyndns.org/public/Apt%20Protokoll.txt | 20:09 |
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| NeutrinoPower | I upgraded manually, now I could install mediainfo and pykake | 20:22 |
| NeutrinoPower | but I want to install flexo and it isn't listed in fast package manager http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/flexo/ | 20:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | FAM and HAM have separate app lists, have you been using mirrors? | 20:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you could just click on your link in N900 browser | 20:25 |
| clownish | hey. is there a | 20:27 |
| clownish | CSSU-thumb toolchain setup for madde? | 20:27 |
| NeutrinoPower | oh, the problem is "flexo" is already installed | 20:28 |
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| Estel_ | ssvb, IDK who you are, but I definitely like people like you | 20:33 |
| Estel_ | (bug report and the way, that conversation was technical orgasm) | 20:34 |
| Estel_ | very educational to read those reports and commits you guys both submitted | 20:34 |
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| Estel_ | BTW, if anyone is interested (which i doubt), it turned out that my optfs backup on 2nd device was "borked" due to being done on desktop linux... | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | so tar there adds some things that maemo tars doesnt understand, and silenty dies in middle of extracting, without giving reports | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | it extract positively some things, then die | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | gnu-tar on N900 was more talkative and reported unknown headers, but also dropped extracting after some files | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | will extract it from desktop to mmcblk0p2, as soon as I fix that fuckin usb port, which decided to fall off just yesterday | 20:36 |
| Estel_ | cleanly, fortunatelly, pads are perfectly intact, even solder on it - legs on usb got broken | 20:37 |
| Estel_ | (on usb port) | 20:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | clownish: only seen instructions for scratchbox http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%29 | 20:37 |
| * Estel_ scavenges some copper things to do make-shift thing tip for electric soldering iron, due to his gas one being out of service) | 20:38 | |
| clownish | sixwheeledbeast: i know, put i hoped i can avoide scratchbox somehow | 20:38 |
| * sixwheeledbeast shrugs | 20:39 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_ : I find gas irons aren't great for PCB's | 20:41 |
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| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, why? | 20:51 |
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| Estel_ | I feel them super great - no cables to mess with, no impendance issue (no electricity flowing nearby soldering tip) | 20:52 |
| Estel_ | just heat, tip, and me | 20:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | temperatures not as stable and the exhaust is a PITA | 20:52 |
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| Estel_ | mhm, depends on mode | 20:52 |
| Estel_ | model* | 20:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have both, gas for site work and electric on the bench | 20:52 |
| Estel_ | pen gas irons are good just for very quick jobs, as indeed gas pressure drops and temperature changes | 20:53 |
| Estel_ | I see | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | plus it costs a bit in butune | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | on a large project anywho | 20:53 |
| Estel_ | well, my gas one (the one malfunctioning) have big capacity, and keeps stable temperature for a hour of constant work | 20:53 |
| Estel_ | as for butine, I found it ~ equal in cost as electricity, When used in iron | 20:54 |
| Estel_ | exhasut can be problematic, tho, you're right here | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | As the tank gets emptier the temperature can change a bit | 20:54 |
| Estel_ | I just remember to keep it upward, away from pcb | 20:54 |
| Estel_ | depends on tank size, of course you're right, but with big tank temperature change is veeeery slow and shouldn't happen to noticeable levels before 1/4 tank left | 20:55 |
| Estel_ | smallest tanks suffer more | 20:55 |
| Estel_ | my tank get ~120 ml at once IIRC | 20:55 |
| Estel_ | brb, trying to scavenge usb port from dead motherboard | 20:56 |
| Estel_ | already bought 4 new, too impatient to wait for arrival :P | 20:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think the fact electricity is readily available, kills the argument that gas is more efficient. | 20:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~120ml is a fair size gas iron, | 21:01 |
| infobot | okay, sixwheeledbeast | 21:01 |
| eccerr0r | ~120ml | 21:01 |
| infobot | it has been said that 120ml is a fair size gas iron, | 21:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | grr | 21:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | infobot: forget 120ml | 21:02 |
| infobot | i forgot 120ml, sixwheeledbeast | 21:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~120ml | 21:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mm | 21:03 |
| eccerr0r | I guess I deal with the cord when mains power is fine, better temperature control mainly, and mains power is cheap for soldering purposes... | 21:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eccerr0r: exactly, on the bench it will sit at the right temp with no refilling | 21:04 |
| eccerr0r | gas for cooking, heating water, heating houses, drying clothes, etc. however... | 21:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | off gas here so all electric | 21:05 |
| db9j | is there anyone who can help me setup my n900 so I can use it over my vpn | 21:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | probably | 21:06 |
| db9j | or point me to a link | 21:06 |
| eccerr0r | I use my n900 with openvpn, it works just fine "out of the box" | 21:06 |
| db9j | I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over it | 21:07 |
| eccerr0r | "out of the box" as in, installing the client :\ | 21:07 |
| db9j | I have tried tun and tap | 21:07 |
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| db9j | I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over itvpn | 21:08 |
| db9j | opps | 21:08 |
| db9j | I have a VPN running in my router but the n900 wont work over the vpn | 21:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there's a parrot in here? ;) | 21:08 |
| db9j | ie it does not connect to free switch | 21:09 |
| db9j | maybe I am not explaining myself well | 21:09 |
| db9j | sorry | 21:09 |
| Sicelo | what type of vpn you have? | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | sixwheeledbeast, why made infobit forget, it was actually great ;) | 21:09 |
| eccerr0r | the thing is I know my vpn works (my vpn server is my server box, not my router) so I don't have two variables to deal with... | 21:09 |
| Estel_ | better than half maemo factoids | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | anyway, grrr, it's awesome how hard it may be to get usb port from N900 | 21:10 |
| db9j | I have at the moment a tap vpn running inside my router | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | when it isn't supposed to stay | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | this one on dead motherboard looks like could survive spinning around head, hanging on cable | 21:10 |
| Estel_ | even bashing someone with it, afterwards | 21:11 |
| Estel_ | haven't even moved half milimeter, despite my efforts | 21:11 |
| db9j | but the n900 will not connect to the freeswitch inside the vpn | 21:11 |
| * Estel_ is going back for another try | 21:11 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~vpn | 21:11 |
| infobot | Virtual Private Network package for Linux. URL: http://www.strongcrypto.com/ | 21:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | no useful | 21:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 21:11 |
| Sicelo | db9j: you other devices can connect? | 21:13 |
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| db9j | I can connect a few softphones the the freeswitch running in this netbook without a problem | 21:14 |
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| db9j | /s/the/ ruuning | 21:14 |
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| db9j | grrr running | 21:14 |
| db9j | this is a very small keyboard I make mistakes on it | 21:15 |
| Sicelo | heh | 21:15 |
| db9j | I can use the n900 to connect to the freeswitch without vpn | 21:16 |
| Sicelo | well.. i still didn't hear what type of vpn you have.. anyway, you most likely need to install pppd for one | 21:16 |
| db9j | but when vpn is running in the n900 it wont connect | 21:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh | 21:16 |
| db9j | Sicelo, I said it was a tap | 21:17 |
| db9j | but I have also tried tun | 21:17 |
| db9j | unless you mean something else | 21:17 |
| eccerr0r | tap/tun is the kernel providing a fake interface | 21:17 |
| eccerr0r | it's not vpn | 21:18 |
| eccerr0r | it's also used for virtual machines, so that's what's confusing us | 21:18 |
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| db9j | well as far as understood there is either a tap or a tun type vpn | 21:19 |
| eccerr0r | well, virtual machines can also use a tap type or tun type network interface to access the network and they don't need vpn. | 21:19 |
| db9j | but neither allow the n900 to connect to the sip | 21:19 |
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| db9j | eccerr0r, but I wanted to ask about the vpn problem I have | 21:20 |
| eccerr0r | vpn needs software, the tun/tap is how the software provides a seamless interface to the network. | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | grrrr | 21:20 |
| Estel_ | just tried to get this port by plugging i cable, and, while heating, bend it so much to get port off | 21:21 |
| eccerr0r | I use OpenVPN. It uses the tun interface. There are other VPN softwares out there that use other methods of networking, that's why we're confused of what you're doing. | 21:21 |
| db9j | is there anyone here who connects to sip when in a vpn on the n900? | 21:22 |
| eccerr0r | again what VPN are you using? pptp? openvpn? cisco? | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | guess what, pcb bend, cable plug bend permanently... | 21:22 |
| Estel_ | usb port on N900's motherboard still stays where it stayed | 21:22 |
| eccerr0r | openswan? | 21:23 |
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| Estel_ | who said nokia haven't made those ports robust? | 21:24 |
| Sicelo | no one | 21:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | who said nokia made them ports? | 21:25 |
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| Estel_ | yea, it's kesingston lock | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | finally have it - took it out with 3 layers of pcb sticked to it | 21:27 |
| Estel_ | idk, maybe someone glued it, too, before soldering | 21:27 |
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| Sicelo | db9j: find out what vpn your outer uses.. telnetting into it might help you find that.. or google.. noly then will you know how to connect N900 to it. i can say that your N900 is very likely to work with whatever is in there | 21:29 |
| Sicelo | ...s/outer/router | 21:30 |
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| db9j | I already know that because i compiled all the firmware | 21:30 |
| db9j | its openvpn | 21:30 |
| Sicelo | formware for what? | 21:30 |
| Sicelo | *i.. | 21:30 |
| db9j | the vpn works ok | 21:30 |
| db9j | I compiled the firmware and flashed my router | 21:31 |
| db9j | and setup the vpn | 21:31 |
| db9j | which works very well | 21:31 |
| db9j | but the n900 will not connect to the sip when its running in the vpn | 21:32 |
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| Sicelo | so N900 connects to the VPN for 'general connectivity'? | 21:32 |
| db9j | the freeswitch is running in another dockstar which I have also flashed with new firmware | 21:32 |
| db9j | yes the vpn works for most things and interestingly I can ping the LAN on the dockstar from my n900 when the vpn is running | 21:34 |
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| db9j | but its just this problem of the sip not being able to connect | 21:34 |
| db9j | if I connect the n900 without vpn to my own wifi then it all works | 21:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and only the N900 doesn't work? | 21:36 |
| db9j | I have set up freeswitch so if I dial a local number on my landline it gets sent over wifi to my n900 | 21:36 |
| db9j | in a sip call | 21:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yeah, mm | 21:37 |
| kerio | ...wat? | 21:37 |
| db9j | it all works except for whenI want to use a vpn | 21:37 |
| db9j | you can get free pots numbers in the uk and elsewhere | 21:38 |
| db9j | anyway it sounds like no one here has done this | 21:38 |
| db9j | I leave it for now and go and do some more fiddling about with it | 21:39 |
| db9j | bye | 21:39 |
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| clownish | can somebody briefly explain to me why it is not possible to update the kernel of the n900 to a more recent version > 2.6.28? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | because the n900 kernel has been customized for n900 specific power management and many other system parts depend on it? | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | clownish, it's nit like it's 2.6.28 anymore, if you're using KP | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | considering how many patches were backported, it's hard to call it 2.6.28 | 22:11 |
| Estel_ | btw, it is possible to use 3+ kernel on N900, arch project does that | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | but it is not for maemo (but for N900) | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | wish me luck, starting to try re-soldering usb port | 22:12 |
| Estel_ | no matter how many times one did it, it's always hard | 22:13 |
| Estel_ | and risky | 22:13 |
| clownish | Estel_: so there are closed-source kernel-modules which can not be recompiled for newer kernels, and thats why one is forced to stay with 2.6.28? | 22:14 |
| Estel_ | not modules, afaik | 22:16 |
| Estel_ | ask kernel specialists, but as I get it it's about blobs - firmwares for hardware... | 22:17 |
| Estel_ | dmce and friends | 22:17 |
| clownish | Estel_: thanks for your answers, is there some more documentation on this topic somewhere? | 22:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | alopex looks interesting, hope to try it in the near-future, when it won't rape my rootfs. | 22:26 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: do you have SB? | 22:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sb? | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | scratchbox | 22:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | scratchbox | 22:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | wget xulrunner .deb there and execute maemo-optify-deb against it | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: that way your rootfs will remain virgin | 22:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I may try that. | 22:29 |
| qwazix_ | sixwheeledbeast, or you can wait and I'll upload an optified one | 22:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | k that sound like a good idea, as I was going to ask how to "run maemo-optify-deb" :o | 22:39 |
| qwazix_ | sixwheeledbeast, ready, new package is now optified | 22:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | same location? | 22:40 |
| qwazix_ | only xulrunner, but that's the bulk of it. Next upload I'll optify the app too. | 22:40 |
| qwazix_ | yep | 22:40 |
| qwazix_ | same location, new name | 22:40 |
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| kerio | what's alopex? | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | embedlite qml browser for thumb | 22:43 |
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| kerio | neat | 22:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | infobot: alopex is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671 | 22:44 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast: okay | 22:44 |
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| kerio | will this use browserd for rendering? | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | no | 22:48 |
| kerio | aw fuck it's qt isn't it | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | no | 22:51 |
| kerio | it's something that ignores xkb for text input | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, UI is Qt | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | but the engine is not | 22:52 |
| kerio | it scrolls smoothly | 22:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | can't seem to get alopex swipe bits working, stuck on splash page. | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yep it is tricky | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | use your nail | 23:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope sigfault | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: are you on cssu-thumb? | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | with latest Qt from the repo installed? | 23:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | XPCOMGlueload error back again, yep this is the Devel+Thumb device | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, report it to qwazix | 23:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix ^^^ | 23:12 |
| qwazix_ | noted, not that I am sure I can reproduce, but I'll try | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I maybe missing a dependency had this with fennec IIRC | 23:13 |
| qwazix_ | Time to walk steadily away from pc. | 23:14 |
| * qwazix_ waves | 23:14 | |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ah | 23:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | reinstalled xulrunner-opt no problems now. | 23:22 |
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| Macer | anybody try the newer ubuntu interface? | 23:36 |
| Macer | was wondering if it was lame? | 23:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Macer: UI? | 23:38 |
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| Macer | yes | 23:50 |
| Macer | i know they ditched gnome | 23:50 |
| Macer | in favor of something else? | 23:50 |
| Macer | forgot the name.. i haven't kept up much | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | desktop | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ? | 23:51 |
| Macer | yes | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | unity | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yuk | 23:51 |
| Macer | yeah there it is | 23:51 |
| Macer | don't know it looked kind of neat in the videos :) | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | after a week of both unity and then gnome 3, I did gnome-fallback, not keen | 23:53 |
| Macer | lol | 23:55 |
| Macer | i usually just use kde | 23:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gave them both a try no the last LTS | 23:56 |
| Macer | but i was going to try to get some conformity going on now that i have scannr that works with sane | 23:56 |
| Macer | the need for windows was only because of my lumia 900 and my scanning needs | 23:56 |
| Macer | other than that windows is worthless.. now that i have an e7 and a supported scanner | 23:56 |
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