| M4rtinK | sure :) | 00:01 |
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| M4rtinK | just kinda excited stuff is coming together :) | 00:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yeah, it's been a while, be nice to get back to normal. | 00:04 |
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| M4rtinK | ant the big + of the community actually being able to fix stuff that breaks | 00:05 |
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| kerio | thanks to warfare, xes, jacekowski | 00:35 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: you forgot doc ;) | 00:37 |
| kerio | maybe i didn't ;) | 00:37 |
| freemangordon | ?!? | 00:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: <3 | 00:37 |
| kerio | thank you for maemo | 00:37 |
| kerio | .org | 00:38 |
| kerio | at this point, i feel that we kinda do owe it to him | 00:38 |
| kerio | communities die, without infrastructure | 00:38 |
| kerio | so... yeah, thanks | 00:39 |
| kerio | and fuck elop | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | :D | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw if you wonder, we're currently cleanign up midgard mysql mess, a saunting task! disabled indexes, corrupted tables, you have no idea | 00:41 |
| M4rtinK | yuck | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course we see same shite that caused loads of >300 (threehundred) on nemein xengrid *old* db VM in the last weeks | 00:42 |
| kerio | :( | 00:42 |
| kerio | what does the db hold? | 00:42 |
| kerio | all maemo.org things? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?c=maemo&h=db&v=8.40&m=load_fifteen&r=hour&z=default&jr=&js=&st=1363300971&vl=%20&ti=Fifteen%20Minute%20Load%20Average&z=large | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, except tmo | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and pages like this one http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/desktop/?org_openpsa_qbpager_org_openpsa_products_product_dba_page=2 create queries like http://privatepaste.com/d4f3541a99 | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now let somebody do a wget on www.maemo.org --level=100 | 00:45 |
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| M4rtinK | that query looks seriously insane | 00:56 |
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| kerio | ยต | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: yep | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: now figure such queries get triggered like 5 or 10 similar ones concurrently, all the time | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which basically is what we've seen (and still do) on mysql list queries | 01:29 |
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| Estel_ | hey, question to experts here | 07:19 |
| Estel_ | one of my devices that I've prepared since week or so (shitload of work put into) got FCKD software'ishly | 07:20 |
| Estel_ | I'm not entirely sure what happened, but I suspect that somehow kernel modules and all stuf (beyond kernel itself, flashed) got screwed | 07:21 |
| Estel_ | the only thing that I blame for failure, is accidental re-install of kp52 packages (over same package version) - I did dpkg -i *.deb in one folder, where, amongst other packages to install, were kp flasher, kp modules, and kp metapackage | 07:22 |
| Estel_ | it *shouldn't* result in any problem, as exact same version was installed - I've seen message in console, about flashing sucessfuly to nand | 07:22 |
| Estel_ | but, it seems that *somehow*, modules etc (all package other than kernel itself and flasher) could have get FCKD. symptomes seem to confirm this suspicion: | 07:23 |
| Estel_ | 1. no fbcon, despite modpring it where it should be and always worked 2. ext4 stopped getting mountable | 07:23 |
| Estel_ | + of course device doesn't boot ;) what kinda woprks, though, is backupmenu | 07:23 |
| Estel_ | the thing is, that backup I have is pretty old - yes, contain all kernel things for same version as it should be now on device | 07:24 |
| Estel_ | I've created backup of current rootfs and optfs, but what I would like to achieve (sorry for long description): | 07:24 |
| Estel_ | unpacking current rootfs backup (non working due to messed kernel modules etc), unpacking old backup (all things ok, but old), and moving things related to kernel from old package, to new | 07:25 |
| Estel_ | now, the thing is - what should I move, to not miss anything? | 07:25 |
| Estel_ | + are the required files on root only, or something on optfs too? | 07:29 |
| Estel_ | also, am I right about my assumption, that flashed kernel is OK, just files on root are screwed, if things like fbcon and ext4 modules are absent? | 07:30 |
| Estel_ | or it may, actually, look the other way around? | 07:30 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: wouldnt unpacking kp's .deb files tell you all the places it puts files in hence being accurate of what you need to move? Never used kp before so no idea though... | 07:33 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, thought about same and did it... although, my root is strange | 07:36 |
| Estel_ | 7nder /lib/modules I have both kp modules format, and omap1. In KP folder, all modules that should be present, are present | 07:36 |
| Estel_ | so I, generally, have NFC what is going on | 07:37 |
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| Estel_ | no idea how kernel could get reverted back to omap1 by dpkg'ing kp packages again, but... I would like to try flashing only kernel via flasher (not whole fiasco), although need to investigate, how to get proper flashable kernel image from kp package. I know it is possible, just never did | 07:39 |
| Estel_ | probably, it is in bootimage package, hm... | 07:39 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, sorry for bothering, but do you remember, where things like linux flasher are mirrored? | 07:43 |
| Estel_ | ~dev-tools | 07:43 |
| Estel_ | ~flasher | 07:43 |
| infobot | well, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 07:43 |
| thedead1440 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ | 07:43 |
| * Estel_ nods | 07:43 | |
| Estel_ | thanks | 07:43 |
| thedead1440 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 07:43 |
| thedead1440 | np | 07:43 |
| Estel_ | I haven't had a need for using flasher since literal years, ffs | 07:44 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 07:44 |
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| Ikarus | ooooh, N900 OpenCV performance is quite decent | 08:00 |
| Ikarus | unlike the mess I had to hack up for Android | 08:01 |
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| Estel_ | I've found how to flash only kernel (.fiasco image extracted from kernel package, --flash-only=kernel argument for flasher), but now I can't seem to put device into flash mode 0_o | 08:04 |
| Estel_ | connecting/turning it on while holding U doesn't seem to affect anything, while I'm 100% sure that usb port is working OK (through backupmenu mass storage mode, transfers works ok) | 08:05 |
| Estel_ | what the heck? | 08:05 |
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| Estel_ | putting battery inside, while holding U (and device connected by usb) also doesn't help, ffs | 08:07 |
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| Estel_ | ~cold-flash | 08:08 |
| Estel_ | ~cold-flashing | 08:08 |
| Estel_ | ~ping | 08:08 |
| infobot | ~pong | 08:08 |
| Estel_ | ~coldflash | 08:08 |
| infobot | coldflash is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 08:08 |
| Estel_ | no idea why I should use coldflash as nolo shouldn't be damaged, but I'm becoming desperate, no freaking way to put device into flash mode?! | 08:09 |
| Estel_ | oh, sure. Maemo wiki got broken again, too | 08:10 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: i've reported about wiki; btw for kernel flash its "flasher -a rootfs.bin -k zImage --flash-only=kernel -f -R" right? | 08:13 |
| thedead1440 | for coldflash a "-c" flag needs to be added only isn't it? | 08:13 |
| Estel_ | idk, never had to do it, in fact, knowing just theory. From links, many more commands are required | 08:14 |
| Estel_ | + vodoo with battery removal/insert | 08:14 |
| Estel_ | -a rootfs.bin isn't required if you want to flash kernel only | 08:14 |
| Estel_ | well | 08:14 |
| Estel_ | depends on what you have | 08:15 |
| Estel_ | i had .fiasco file from unpacked kp package | 08:15 |
| Estel_ | so i used normal -F and --flash-only=kernel | 08:15 |
| Estel_ | if you have rootfs.bin, then of course -a rootfs.bin | 08:15 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 08:15 |
| Estel_ | anyway, my current problem is to bring fckn device into flashing mode | 08:15 |
| Estel_ | never seen devide that boots OK into backupmenu, but fails to flash (if hardware ok, and here usb works like charm) | 08:16 |
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| thedead1440 | Estel_: wiki is up thanks to warfare | 08:19 |
| Estel_ | kudos warfare | 08:19 |
| Estel_ | btw, IDK who wrote ~coldflash, but that link to irc is bullshit for 200 lines, with main attraction being DocScrutinizer05 abusing chanop to silence some guy and mohammad bashing DocScrutinizer05 for it | 08:19 |
| Estel_ | then, and only after then, proper instruction to coldflash is given in 6 lines | 08:20 |
| Estel_ | someone got ego problems, forcing us to read 200 lines of bullshit by linking to it, instead of that 6 lines | 08:20 |
| Estel_ | for refference: | 08:20 |
| Estel_ | start linux PC, download fiasco image, unpack it by: | 08:21 |
| Estel_ | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u | 08:21 |
| Estel_ | remove battery from device, connect it | 08:21 |
| Estel_ | or actually don't connect yet? | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | invoke: | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | connect device, insert battery | 08:22 |
| Estel_ | after that, device should get coldflashed, and later, you may (and need to, most of the times) flash it normally | 08:22 |
| thedead1440 | wiki doesn't mention the unpacking just: "flasher-3.5 -h RX-51:2101 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -c -S usb" | 08:23 |
| thedead1440 | where 2101 is the HW revision | 08:23 |
| Estel_ | hm | 08:25 |
| Estel_ | good point | 08:25 |
| Estel_ | probably it goes over unpacking | 08:25 |
| Estel_ | getting required bits from whole image | 08:25 |
| thedead1440 | pali had edited the wiki to remove the unpacking steps MAG had added into the wiki | 08:25 |
| thedead1440 | and he did it recently (04/03/13) ;) | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | it seems ok, mag's instructions (discovered by jacekowski) were based frome arly discoveries | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | early* | 08:26 |
| Estel_ | say hi to undocumented flasher | 08:26 |
| thedead1440 | 0x000FF (or whatever that's called) is your tonic ;) | 08:27 |
| Estel_ | 0xFFFF | 08:29 |
| Estel_ | nice thing, although me wanna it compiled for N900 to flash one device from another ;) | 08:30 |
| Estel_ | possible already, but quite complicated | 08:30 |
| thedead1440 | yeah i was thinking that too; since it supports Harmattan flashing too you can flash n9(00) via another n900; cool and portable ;) | 08:30 |
| Estel_ | btw funny day re that N900 I'm talking about - earlier, when problem got first discovred, original Nokia batter, which had ~1100 mAh before, dropped suddenly to 2.8 V | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | then, charged to 4.2 V getting only 400 mAh, including saturation... | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | then, after 20 seconds inside device, dropped down to 0 V | 08:31 |
| Estel_ | and doesn't want to get alive at all, looks like battery commited suicude | 08:31 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 08:32 |
| Estel_ | I though it was battery problem first | 08:32 |
| Estel_ | then i though I've messed recovery shell in /sbin/preinit | 08:32 |
| Estel_ | so reverted my recent changes in rootfs image, and restored it... no lucky | 08:32 |
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| Estel_ | so debugged to the point of pinpointing something about kernel | 08:33 |
| Estel_ | btw I haven't belived in messed preinit too much, as it should kill backupmenu too | 08:33 |
| thedead1440 | true | 08:33 |
| Estel_ | but couldn't belived dpkg -i kernel-packages same:same messed things | 08:34 |
| Estel_ | cpnsidering that module are where should be, but no fbcon and ext4 support in kernel, I suspect kernel really get reverted "somehow", no idea how | 08:34 |
| thedead1440 | yeah it shouldn't really be messing things up; maybe something else screwed up and its a coincidence | 08:34 |
| Estel_ | installed just trusted packages, that I use on other N900's, though | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | and it's pretty hard to mess with kernel | 08:35 |
| Estel_ | I be that after reflashing device to vanilla and backupmenu (+ kernel) installation + restoring backup from non-working state, it will actually work ok | 08:36 |
| thedead1440 | did you check kp's preinst or postinst scripts? | 08:36 |
| * Estel_ sighs and gives coldflash another try | 08:36 | |
| Estel_ | yea | 08:36 |
| thedead1440 | Maybe it does some removal when doing postrm | 08:36 |
| Estel_ | ough | 08:36 |
| thedead1440 | a replacement would mean kp doing a postrm first right | 08:36 |
| Estel_ | that's possible | 08:36 |
| Estel_ | yea, but kp have special option to get back into nokia kernel | 08:36 |
| Estel_ | one should never dpkg remove kernel | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | which probably explain my problems, although, it should get over-installed again | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | maybe it failed at some point, and required re-install of packages, which i missed | 08:37 |
| thedead1440 | yup | 08:37 |
| Estel_ | ome packages in extras are really fucked up, yesterday I had to 5ouch /blabla/doc/blabla files... | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | as postinst script was failing due to alcking DOCS in packages | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | and prevented dpkg from configuring package | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | fuckin documentation lacking, which someone foolishly wanted to optify | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | and it wasn't some fubar package, it was about video decoding | 08:38 |
| Estel_ | btw creating dummy docs to satisfy postinst made it work ok, of course, nothing broken | 08:39 |
| Estel_ | (video decoding - I mean libavdecode things, and so goes on) | 08:39 |
| thedead1440 | mpeg2dec? | 08:39 |
| thedead1440 | oh | 08:39 |
| Estel_ | no, some rather common packages. IDK if marmistrz wanted to update them and messed optification ;) | 08:40 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 08:40 |
| Estel_ | or someone else, it was just a placeholder (marmistrz) | 08:40 |
| Estel_ | if we get repo thing sorted out totally, I'll pester testing squad about this | 08:41 |
| thedead1440 | repos are working now; i read Doc asking sixwheeled and Martin to wait a day before trying it out so i think things are normal already | 08:41 |
| Estel_ | dns too? | 08:41 |
| Estel_ | or still hosts tricks needed? | 08:42 |
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| vdv | hi | 08:42 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: you were under a rock? :p :p | 08:42 |
| vdv | how can i get active call info on my n900? | 08:42 |
| thedead1440 | check host -a *.maemo.org ;) | 08:42 |
| Estel_ | well ;) | 08:42 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: 14hrs ago DNS was done | 08:42 |
| Estel_ | nice. so thousands of devices are bombin repos already via pre-defined addresses? | 08:43 |
| thedead1440 | they should be | 08:43 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/ | 08:44 |
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| thedead1440 | 45-50MB/s outbound | 08:44 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, could accidenta dpkg -i of kernel-power packages (over same version) screw kernel in NAND? | 08:45 |
| Pali | dpkg -i should work fine | 08:46 |
| Estel_ | well, but it remove package before reinstalling | 08:49 |
| Estel_ | Pali, ^ | 08:49 |
| Estel_ | dpkg removing kernel packages should fuck things up? | 08:49 |
| Pali | what? | 08:49 |
| Pali | you are upgrading package | 08:49 |
| Pali | when installing/upgrading it flashing kernel nand | 08:50 |
| Pali | when removing it doing nothing with kernel nand | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | eh, today I dpkg -i *.deb folder with many packages, where accidentally, kp52 (all three packages, no bootimg) were located | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | though so | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | well, after reboot, device is fckd up | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | no fbcon module loaded | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | no ext4 | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | checking root, /li/modules have kp52 modules | 08:50 |
| Estel_ | but kernel doesn't seem to know what fbcon is, for example | 08:51 |
| Estel_ | backupmenu works, but, funny enough, I can't even reflash normally | 08:51 |
| Estel_ | while I'm sure that usb works ok, as mass-storage mode from backupmenu works great for both read and write | 08:51 |
| Estel_ | restoring working backups doesn't help, and still no fbcon, so I suppose that, somehow, kernel from nand got reverted to omap1 | 08:52 |
| Estel_ | Pali, ^ | 08:53 |
| Pali | multiboot? | 08:54 |
| Pali | kp not restoring omap1 kernel | 08:55 |
| Pali | --> not kp problem | 08:55 |
| Estel_ | no, no multiboot | 08:55 |
| Estel_ | zero multiboot | 08:55 |
| Estel_ | idk what happened, really, nothing I touched could restore omap | 08:55 |
| Pali | didnt you installed kernel-flasher? | 08:56 |
| Estel_ | well, as said, dpkg -i it accidentaly, alongside other packages | 08:56 |
| Estel_ | device was on kp52 again | 08:56 |
| Estel_ | and kernel-power-flasher, main package, and modules (3 packages) got dpkg -i accidentaly | 08:56 |
| Estel_ | among innocent packages like mypaint or cutetube, that have nothing to do with kernel | 08:56 |
| Estel_ | well, maybe it's big coincidence, no idea. It's strange that backupmenu works, but no fbcon module, or ext4 support... al behaves like omap1 kernel with kp52 modules installed | 08:57 |
| Estel_ | modprobe fbcon called from preinit doesnt work, mounting ext4 doesnt work (while ext3 is ok) | 08:58 |
| Estel_ | the most strange thing is while device technically works, to the point of having working backupmenu, i CAN'T reflash it | 08:58 |
| Estel_ | doesn't want to get into update mode | 08:59 |
| Estel_ | and usb works for sure as said, flawlessly | 08:59 |
| Estel_ | it just ignore holding U, or whatever. I can't even coldflash it | 08:59 |
| Estel_ | probably coldflash would work, if I would nuke /dev/mtd0 somehow | 08:59 |
| Pali | coldflas working always | 09:00 |
| Estel_ | hard to do without terminal, though, and sadly, backupmenu's usb connection is fucked since ages | 09:00 |
| Estel_ | tell it to my device | 09:00 |
| Pali | use normal flashing | 09:00 |
| Estel_ | I'm as surprised as you | 09:00 |
| Estel_ | doesn't work | 09:00 |
| Estel_ | holding U don't get device into update mode | 09:00 |
| Pali | error message? | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | it just boot into bootloop | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | no, just no suitabke devices found | 09:01 |
| Pali | dmesg output? | 09:01 |
| Pali | on desktop | 09:01 |
| Pali | broken usb? | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | ok, got me on it, lemme check | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | no, usb works | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | as said from backupmenu, I can transfer gigabytes of file via mass storage mode | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | flawlessly | 09:01 |
| Pali | use another usb port | 09:01 |
| Estel_ | tried | 09:02 |
| Pali | usb1.1 or 1.0 | 09:02 |
| Estel_ | tried both on linux and windows, too | 09:02 |
| Estel_ | 0_p don't have such ports, sadly | 09:02 |
| Pali | charge battery | 09:02 |
| Estel_ | hm, maybe my keyboard have 1.1 hub, had smth like that | 09:02 |
| Estel_ | charged | 09:02 |
| Estel_ | to full, externally | 09:02 |
| Pali | then cold flash | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | it should work even if nolo isn't broken? | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | thats what I thought | 09:03 |
| Pali | yes | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | mhm | 09:03 |
| Pali | it works always | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | no need to unpack image file? | 09:03 |
| Pali | no | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | You've modified wiki instructions sometime last year | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | ok | 09:03 |
| Estel_ | well | 09:04 |
| Pali | https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 09:04 |
| Estel_ | tried 15 times as per wiki, nothing... will try again on yet another machine | 09:04 |
| Estel_ | btw why 1.1 usb port could help? | 09:04 |
| Pali | because sometimes I had problems with 2.0 too | 09:04 |
| Estel_ | I may dig up usb keyboard which should have usb 1.1 hub build-in, if it may help | 09:04 |
| vdv | is ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db updated dynamically during a call? | 09:05 |
| Estel_ | OK, brb for a while, going to dig it up and try it | 09:05 |
| Pali | usb hub has problems too.. | 09:05 |
| Estel_ | damn | 09:05 |
| Estel_ | no usb 1.1 port anywhere in range, other than by old hubs :/ | 09:06 |
| Estel_ | thanks for trying to help me, by the way | 09:06 |
| Estel_ | btw i have never seen device that have hardware fully working, backupmenu working, but unable to flash | 09:07 |
| kerio | Estel_: backupmenu needs a bunch of modules too | 09:08 |
| Estel_ | yes, but none from kp IIRC | 09:08 |
| Estel_ | as it works without kp too | 09:08 |
| Pali | what is error message of cold flash? | 09:08 |
| Estel_ | just no device found | 09:08 |
| Estel_ | will check dmesg in a few minutes (on desktop) | 09:09 |
| Pali | try to remove batery, plug usb cable, insert battery | 09:09 |
| Estel_ | of course did that ;) | 09:09 |
| Pali | so then problem with usb | 09:10 |
| Pali | cold flashing working always | 09:10 |
| Estel_ | Pali, just for the record, it is normal, that /lib/modules have folder for both kp52 and omap1? | 09:10 |
| Pali | yes | 09:10 |
| Estel_ | Pali, but as soon as I get into backupmenu, mass storage mode works flawlessly | 09:10 |
| Estel_ | well, I did backup and transferred it via mass-storage, backup of current rootfs and optfs, investigated situation on root... | 09:11 |
| Pali | hm, I do not know, try to ask jacekowski | 09:11 |
| Estel_ | modules are where they should | 09:11 |
| Pali | going offline, bye | 09:11 |
| Estel_ | see ya, thanks | 09:11 |
| Estel_ | booting into different linux flavour from livecd, will try coldflashing from there... | 09:12 |
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| Estel_ | dmesg from desktop: | 09:18 |
| Estel_ | Product: Nokia USB ROM | 09:18 |
| Estel_ | found as usb device, when I connect it, trying to flash | 09:19 |
| Estel_ | no flashing, though, hm | 09:19 |
| Estel_ | ~coldflash | 09:19 |
| infobot | methinks coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:34:01 (jacekowski's instructions), or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 09:19 |
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| Estel_ | FINALLY! cold flashed sucessfuly | 09:24 |
| Estel_ | but, after cold flash, while device is in temporary bootloader (i see usb icon in corner, too), I can't flash regularly? wtf? | 09:25 |
| Estel_ | flash-only=nolo doesn't produce results *facepalm* | 09:26 |
| Estel_ | hm, icon in corner, although device screen is dim, I see that usb icon flashes. No idea, if it is of any importance | 09:27 |
| kerio | Estel_: the ramloaded nolo can only flash nolo afaik | 09:28 |
| kerio | not sure why | 09:28 |
| Estel_ | yes, but it doesnt want to flash nolo in my case | 09:29 |
| Estel_ | now I may coldflash to the part of having ramloaded nolo, but no next step (flasg-only=nolo produce "no suitable device found) | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: ~coldflash directly goes to >>DocScrutinizerjacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig"23:09<< - so stop insulting people by spreading bullshit like >>someone got ego problems, forcing us to read 200 lines of bullshit<< or face the consequences! | 09:36 |
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| mintux | I want to use hotsopt but I got this error when I start mobilehotspot_backend start I've got Exception: Command 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko' returned with code 256 (0 expected) | 09:38 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, your "face consequences" is legendary by now ;) btw, directly, instructions are 172 lines later | 09:44 |
| Estel_ | in middle, we have to witness you silencing some (irritating, but not too much) guy, and mohammad trying to keep you in line, increasingly irritating | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: does it read ~coldflash or ~coldflash-terse-instructions? | 09:45 |
| Estel_ | after 172 lines of telenovele, we got 6 liner with direct instructions | 09:45 |
| Estel_ | well | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so stfu | 09:45 |
| Estel_ | I would rather keep my opinion about ego ;) | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would rather go kickbanning you in an instant, if it wasn't for my 1st coffee still missing | 09:46 |
| Estel_ | :) | 09:46 |
| kerio | is that official policy? don't op without caffeine? | 09:46 |
| Estel_ | never trust people drinking cofee ;) Herbals for president | 09:46 |
| Estel_ | finally managed to flash nolo via temporary bootloader, but, I wonder - now I should reboot, yep, to get out of bootloader | 09:47 |
| Estel_ | ? | 09:47 |
| Estel_ | of temporary bootloader* | 09:47 |
| Estel_ | YES! | 09:48 |
| Estel_ | flashed KP52 zimage, and fbcon instantly went alive | 09:49 |
| Estel_ | good sign | 09:49 |
| Estel_ | gained root console via backupmenu... I bet this beast will boot normally, now | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I guess what I meant been: i'm not sure if I should have another few hours of nap. And the mood that kicking somebody gives me is absolutely contraproductive to that | 09:49 |
| Estel_ | HOW THE FUCK something removed my kernel with omap1? how? | 09:50 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, maybe I was too judgemental about ego. Still, it looks like that when you're trying to fix device for 5 hours, and have to go through 172 lines, including you silencing something, and MohammadAG bashing you afterwards... | 09:51 |
| Estel_ | just to find 6 liner, 20 mins later :P | 09:51 |
| Estel_ | (wiki was down at the time) | 09:51 |
| Estel_ | re-thinking it I belive that it wasn't your intention ;) | 09:52 |
| * thedead1440 wonders how old Estel and Doc are; 10 & 12? :p | 09:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) i silenced someone to spare guys like you from rading his OT stuff, since I already planned to link a factoid to this convo | 09:52 |
| Estel_ | 10*12 | 09:52 |
| MohammadAG | I bashed who? | 09:52 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, I agree he was irritating like hell. But, it resulted in ever more OT :P | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: forget it | 09:52 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, not important, it was ages ago, in ancient factoid | 09:52 |
| kerio | thedead1440: if you sum their ages, maybe | 09:53 |
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| MohammadAG | My laptop charger's dead :( | 09:53 |
| thedead1440 | kerio: hehe | 09:53 |
| Estel_ | we're just friendly taping each other with DocScrutinizer05 ;) *tapPPP* | 09:53 |
| MohammadAG | I cant access my source code | 09:53 |
| Estel_ | MohammadAG, real hacker produce 220 V from brain | 09:53 |
| MohammadAG | Laptop input is 18.sthV :p | 09:54 |
| Estel_ | *insert approriate xkcd here* | 09:54 |
| Estel_ | oh, fuck. Right, still require hardware to transform :( | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: get universal charger, should be like 30 bucks even at your place | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you got some silly iFruit product with superspecial powerplug | 09:56 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, official charger is too expensive | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 09:56 |
| Estel_ | yea, device works like charm with proper kernel flashed | 09:57 |
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| Estel_ | question is how dpkg -i of kernel packages (over same version) resulted in restoring omap | 09:58 |
| Estel_ | thanks for help, Pali, and thedead1440 for links and listening to my bitching about situation ;) | 09:58 |
| kerio | Estel_: there isn't a way, omap1 isn't even stored anywhere on the device | 09:59 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: so in reality the omap modules _musn't_ be in /lib/modules/ for things to work? | 09:59 |
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| divVerent | assume I want to put swap on SD card... is there any nice way to still allow swapping the SD card in/out? :P | 12:01 |
| divVerent | haha, just discovered weird icon use in the WLAN selection... | 12:05 |
| divVerent | it uses a lock with one keyhole for WEP, and a lock with two keyholes with WPA | 12:05 |
| divVerent | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRteNaa78E8 - but apparently, usually multiple keyholes on the same lock are OR'd, not AND'd... | 12:07 |
| divVerent | so having two keyholes makes it LESS secure, not MORE | 12:07 |
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| divVerent | how does the auto disable SD card slot when battery cover is opened check work? | 13:09 |
| divVerent | as in, could I also put a swapon/swapoff sequence in there to move swap to eMMC? | 13:09 |
| cehteh | divVerent: there is a magnetic sensor in the cover | 13:09 |
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| cehteh | and some daemon triggers the mounting stuff | 13:10 |
| cehteh | k*something* named | 13:10 |
| cehteh | forgot its name | 13:10 |
| cehteh | kexev? | 13:10 |
| divVerent | ke-recv does that too? | 13:12 |
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| divVerent | ugh, mmc-unmount is a binary. Could still hack it into this mmc unmount script | 13:16 |
| divVerent | is that the ONLY thing disabling the SD card slot? | 13:16 |
| divVerent | or is there also a hardware slot turn off when mmc-unmount.sh took too long? | 13:16 |
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| divVerent | basically, my goal would be doing swapon -p 1 <device> on mmc-mount, and swapoff <device> on mmc-unmount, for any detected swap partition (would code my own detection for these) | 13:19 |
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| divVerent | and sounds for completion/failure of this, because failure removing swap is quite critical ;) | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: that's no lock with two keyholes, that's an integral helmet for bikers ;-D | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: (umount uSD) the umount happens *after* kernel driver already disabled and powered down the physical uSD slot / interface | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no way afaik to intercep that and hoock in some swapoff command | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no way afaik to intercept that and hook in some swapoff command | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a swapoff would take ages anyway, and that's why it's not supported and can't work | 13:24 |
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| silverhome | hey all :p | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey one | 13:33 |
| silverhome | anyone got the weird problem sometimes that like everything zooms in and get very big for some seconds on your phone? | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, no | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a display reslutution glitch | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or dsp/gfx going mad | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was wanting to do something similar implied by the above - specifying per user swap device, to mitigate the effects of swap going away | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | basically so that, for example, roots processes wouldn't die | 13:57 |
| is_null | hi all, i did something stupid (not sure what) but my fonts are messed up (squares are displayed) and the gtk theme seems gone. How to fix it ? Can I force reinstall of all installed packages ? | 13:58 |
| is_null | i still have a working root ssh connection so that should work | 13:59 |
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| silverhome | what linux distro is maemo people using?;D | 14:05 |
| is_null | maemo uses apt | 14:05 |
| silverhome | and oh okey docscrutinizer05 | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is_null: sounds like your /home (incl /opt) is gone | 14:08 |
| is_null | yep, /opt is gone, i had no idea it was in /home | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the problem | 14:09 |
| is_null | so right now i'm copying /opt from another n900 with the same firmware | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you can restore /opt by whatever means, you'll need to reflash | 14:09 |
| is_null | so if it only had libs i might be fine, but if it had settings related stuff it's going to be messy | 14:09 |
| is_null | i think i still should re-install my packages, if that's possible ? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work and for sure is a sane idea | 14:11 |
| is_null | ok thanks | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 14:12 |
| silverhome | is tablets-dev.nokia.com down? | 14:12 |
| is_null | silverhome: yes there's a mirror linked in the wiki | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 14:13 |
| infobot | i guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 14:13 |
| silverhome | oh okey | 14:13 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "DNS switch for migra#2 DONE - see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329038 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 14:16 | |
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| silverhome | is it any active fun nokia n9 things going on? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | join #n9 maybe | 14:24 |
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| silverhome | they seems scary ;S | 14:24 |
| silverhome | hehe joke | 14:24 |
| thedead1440 | join #harmattan too; its more alive than #n9 ;) | 14:24 |
| is_null | apparantly that did work | 14:26 |
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| is_null | root access is great to break the device | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why usually root access is restricted or disabled | 14:40 |
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| silverhome | hmm anyone know how to install the maemo flasher in slackware?xd | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get the .tgz and untar it | 14:51 |
| silverhome | but its just a .tar on the site? | 14:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: seems the search box is broken on t.m.o, would you know why? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's it broken? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^ | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again no results for searchstrin "nokia2 ? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again no results for searchstring "nokia" ? | 14:55 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | white page on http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=process | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, looks all good to me | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: host talk.maemo.org | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also clear browser cache | 14:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok nokia works seems to be what is put in the search box | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's possibe | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's been your searchstring? | 14:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "n900 sim lock" for example | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: tmo search index needs rebuild! (known issue after migration, no?) | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: this is caused by vBulletin caching searches | 15:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: each word works on its own not as a string tho. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on migration the content of a search gets lost | 15:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | kk, as long as it's known about | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually those search caches expire and get rebuilt | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | minimally changing your searchstring already creates a new search which gets built realtime | 15:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Seems to be long strings with n900 in | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vBulletin seems to do weird search optimizations | 15:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok np, "sim lock" works so found what I was looking for, ta | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those cached search results only part of the whole | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for reporting it | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you were interested in raiding autobuilder, no? It's fine to go ahead today | 15:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np, problem shared problem resolved :) | 15:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: k, will look at it later maybe, any news on web assistant working? | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski sanitized db, and we don't see those insane loads and VMs going down anymore | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: jacekowski is working on all that, I don't micro-track what gets done | 15:06 |
| kerio | hooray for jacekowski and his sql | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are/were some NFS mounts and and symlinks and cronjobs and users/groups/permissions missing | 15:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: np, thanks, your the one that's most in the know. | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some tables in db were corrupt | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're invited to test everything, and ping jacekowski and/or warfare directly, reporting on stuff that fails | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (for autobuilder that is) | 15:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: Ok will do thank you, off back to work. ttfn. | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf ttfn | 15:15 |
| infobot | TTFN: ta ta for now | 15:15 |
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| is_null | hi all, i'm trying to reinstall all packages but it fails because of disk space ... how is that ? | 15:44 |
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| Horcrux | Guys, I bricked my N900 | 15:54 |
| Horcrux | what do? | 15:54 |
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| kerio | Horcrux: no you didn't | 15:54 |
| kerio | "to brick" means something specific | 15:54 |
| Horcrux | okay, I apt-get dist-upgraded | 15:55 |
| kerio | reflash | 15:55 |
| Horcrux | how? the flasher downloads are missing from the Nokia website | 15:55 |
| kerio | ~skeiron | 15:55 |
| infobot | [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 15:55 |
| Horcrux | thanks a million | 15:56 |
| kerio | i reckon that there's no real way to brick a n900, apart from hardware damage | 15:56 |
| is_null | maybe if you pour it into melted chocolate | 15:58 |
| guly | is_null: this gives you a super-n900, not a briked one | 15:58 |
| is_null | really ? i'm gonna try it then, cause i like to do things internet say | 15:58 |
| kerio | nothing can go wrong | 15:59 |
| is_null | i'm a great cook, i'm sure i can use the n900 as an ingredient | 15:59 |
| guly | mostly phone call will be sweeter | 15:59 |
| Horcrux | chocolate supercharges the circuitry | 15:59 |
| is_null | well thanks for your good advice and support once again | 16:00 |
| is_null | i guess i know what to do now | 16:00 |
| Horcrux | WTF, Lucid on the N900? | 16:01 |
| kerio | ? | 16:01 |
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| Horcrux | apparently you can run Ubuntu Lucid server on n900 | 16:05 |
| kerio | that's the sdk | 16:05 |
| kerio | it's x86, it doesn't run on the n900 | 16:05 |
| kerio | ubuntu runs on the n900 though | 16:05 |
| Horcrux | ah, I see | 16:05 |
| kerio | but not well | 16:05 |
| Horcrux | meh, ubuntu is for the resource heavy | 16:05 |
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| Horcrux | err, I seem to be missing libusb-0.1.so.4 how do I get it to run without root access? | 16:10 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: normal search wfm | 16:11 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: it is when searches give to many results | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | puzzling behaviour | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can you fix it with simple means? like ... maybe showing a page "too many results" ? | 16:14 |
| chem|st | yeah I tried to trim everything but some searches get timed out | 16:14 |
| chem|st | the search thingy does not have that... | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad :-) | 16:14 |
| chem|st | maybe I can tweak some php timeout stuff to its needs | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | up to you | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks anyway | 16:15 |
| Horcrux | are the flasher sources available? | 16:15 |
| chem|st | as 'nokia' is working it should do but it does not for some reason | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:15 |
| chem|st | Horcrux: no | 16:15 |
| chem|st | in terms of sourcecode | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's 0xffff though | 16:15 |
| Horcrux | dammit, Ubuntu 12.04 uses new usb libraries. usblib is no longer be in /usr/lib/ | 16:16 |
| Horcrux | *remove that 'be' | 16:16 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: plus the db is performing badly | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:17 |
| chem|st | 19seconds for a 'maemo phone' result | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably a grep would work better in the end ;-P | 16:17 |
| chem|st | hell no that would take like hours | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog search for very similar problem. This does a grep actually | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often times out | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before results show up | 16:19 |
| chem|st | ouch | 16:19 |
| chem|st | well you grep-like the searchindex | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually starting same search again delivers better result | 16:20 |
| chem|st | cause of caching | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess that's because of caching files | 16:20 |
| chem|st | ;) | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya, RL calling | 16:20 |
| chem|st | without caching the server would probably die on us | 16:21 |
| chem|st | bb | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin meeting already in just 3.5h | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, just in case pali shows up, I hope he noticed the mail I sent to Matti, and the answer Matti sent | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | > >Thank you for the feedback! :) We will address these issues you mentioned about in the spotlight in the forthcoming meeting and keep you in the loop. :)<< | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/2d763d39f2 | 16:24 |
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| Horcrux | just to check: you could also flash a n900 with win XP? | 16:52 |
| Horcrux | *could you | 16:53 |
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| Horcrux | anyone tried? | 16:58 |
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| Horcrux | okay, so apparently there IS a flasher for windows XP, but it's not locatable in that skeiron.org repo | 17:03 |
| thedead1440 | Horcrux: there is a flasher for windows and its on skeiron; you clearly haven't been looking properly ;) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hint: *.exe | 17:05 |
| thedead1440 | its called maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 17:05 |
| thedead1440 | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ <--- on this page | 17:05 |
| guly | or just XP | 17:05 |
| guly | at first sight i get this like "i want winxp on my n900" | 17:06 |
| guly | better get some coffee | 17:06 |
| Horcrux | xD | 17:06 |
| Horcrux | lol, going to skeiron.org to try and find the root. I just got a 'no' | 17:07 |
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| thedead1440 | ah :p you go to skeiron.org/tablets-dev to be in the tablets-dev replica | 17:08 |
| Horcrux | right, brb rebooting to Windows | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did he use CP/M3 or what? | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | who would reboot to windows, to flash | 17:11 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: its comfort level for some people; let them do it ;) | 17:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head | 17:12 | |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: who's asking about *our* confort level? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when talking them thru flashing | 17:14 |
| thedead1440 | haha "helpdesk" don't get asked for comfort levels :p | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my first advice will be: boot to a linux! | 17:14 |
| thedead1440 | your are Maemo administrator all this is part of your job, no? :p | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm administration manager, not administrator | 17:15 |
| thedead1440 | ok helpdesk manager, happy? :D | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I prefer the term administration coordinator | 17:15 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, administration != helpdesk | 17:16 |
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| thedead1440 | hehe but on #maemo | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read BOFH if you have any doubt about that | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | admin coord is strictly "inhouse" | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't even need to hang out here in this chan | 17:19 |
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| Horcrux | and back! | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 17:19 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and afk | 17:20 |
| thedead1440 | hahahaha | 17:20 |
| * thedead1440 sees helpdesk manager running away :p | 17:20 | |
| Horcrux | you guys were having a grand time while I was gone, weren't you? | 17:20 |
| teotwaki | they did. | 17:21 |
| thedead1440 | were we? | 17:21 |
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| Horcrux | err, I'm back | 18:16 |
| Horcrux | I hope everybody isn't sick of me yet | 18:16 |
| thedead1440 | Horcrux: flash worked? | 18:16 |
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| Horcrux | okay, so the Flasher fails with the message ERROR: APE algorith has to be provided to flash all the subimages | 18:17 |
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| thedead1440 | what did you input? | 18:17 |
| Horcrux | flasher.exe -F (image name) -f -R | 18:18 |
| Horcrux | waaait | 18:18 |
| Horcrux | this is the harmattan flasher, isn't it? | 18:19 |
| Horcrux | dammit | 18:19 |
| thedead1440 | flasher-3.5.ext is maemo flasher | 18:19 |
| thedead1440 | exe* | 18:19 |
| thedead1440 | i posted the full name for you still you didn't read it "_" | 18:19 |
| Horcrux | :( I'm so sorry | 18:20 |
| Horcrux | I really dislike people like me | 18:20 |
| thedead1440 | nobody dislikes you ;) | 18:20 |
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| Horcrux | I do :P | 18:20 |
| thedead1440 | well that's not counted :p | 18:21 |
| thedead1440 | now get that flasher and repeat | 18:21 |
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| freemangordon | MohammadAG: almost nothing works in Fremantle sociality :). I am on 0.3-3 which I guess is latest | 18:24 |
| Horcrux | okay, now I get a suitable USB device not found error. Time to go get usblib | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, just in case pali shows up, I hope he noticed the mail I sent to Matti, and the answer Matti sent | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | 16:23 <DocScrutinizer05> > >Thank you for the feedback! :) We will address these issues you mentioned about in the spotlight in the forthcoming meeting and keep you in the loop. :)<< | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon: the one in repos is old | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/2d763d39f2 | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | Get the one from the thread | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | Until repos work out | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: I updated today from the new repos | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: didn;t you push it? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | No | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | (the one from the thread) | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | ooh | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | so i *downgraded* :D | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | Repos were down when I did the update | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | Also posting to walls wont work | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | API was disabled | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | MohammadAG: afaik autobuilder is up again ;) | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | Apparently apps used it to spam | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | But my charger is dead | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | Laptop charger | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | And thats my dev environemt | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | Environment | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | I see | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | So get the one from my last post on the thread | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | Posts even | 18:27 |
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| freemangordon | MohammadAG: I will, but keep in mind all sociality users will get an update from the repo | 18:27 |
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| Pali | hi all, I read that mail and one note: if matti really want to use 4v1 key, he do not need to regenerate repository. this is not needed. he only need to upload new signature of 4v1 key which extend expiration | 18:33 |
| Pali | freemangordon ^^^ | 18:33 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ | 18:33 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: I am just a messenger :) | 18:34 |
| Pali | and really extending signature does not solve our problem | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW seems PPA API patch ahs stuck | 18:34 |
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| Pali | and I wrote mail why we need new PR1.3* release or use maemo admin key | 18:35 |
| Pali | I do not have time now, going offline... | 18:35 |
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| Horcrux | YES! | 18:43 |
| Horcrux | internet and phone are both working! | 18:43 |
| thedead1440 | congrats | 18:43 |
| Horcrux | thanks a lot, thedead1440 | 18:45 |
| thedead1440 | np | 18:45 |
| Horcrux | Oh no, now I have to reinstall everything Dx | 18:46 |
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| Horcrux | goodbye Python! | 18:46 |
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| Horcrux | it feels so fast again | 18:50 |
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| BCMM | i have an n900 here where python stuff keeps segfaulting on startup. settings says its on cssu-testing, 1tmaemo7.1 even though HAM says there are no updates available; i don't understand why it isn't on 7.2. apt-get upgrade -s says it would upgrade python-hildon and python-pyside.qtmaemo | 19:03 |
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| BCMM | any ideas for how to fix python/get on the latest CSSU? | 19:03 |
| thedead1440 | BCMM you can use merlin or skeiron repos to get the latest CSSU-T; for python no idea | 19:04 |
| BCMM | thedead1440: i do not know what those are; has cssu moved repos or something? | 19:05 |
| BCMM | my own n900 is in 7.2 and i didn't do anything special | 19:06 |
| thedead1440 | so its on 7.2 then what's the issue? | 19:06 |
| BCMM | thedead1440: the one with the python issue isn't mine | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: you know 7.2 was lost in the migration? | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: yup | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | hence i said use merlin or skeiron | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | they have 7.2 :D | 19:07 |
| BCMM | i'm clearly not up-to date here, what are merlin, skeiron and the migration? | 19:07 |
| thedead1440 | ~mirrors | 19:08 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 19:08 |
| BCMM | thanks | 19:08 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: btw will 7.2 be re-issued or will there be a 7.3 that encompasses 7.2? | 19:09 |
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| freemangordon | thedead1440: better ask merlin1991, but I guess he'll re-upload 7.2 first | 19:10 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 19:10 |
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| BCMM | i still don't quite understand - am i supposed to change my sourced to get future CSSU updates? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | BCMM: no, this is just temporary issue | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | should be solved in a couple of days | 19:12 |
| BCMM | ah ok | 19:12 |
| BCMM | 7.2 is a minor change right, should be nothing to do with this python issue? | 19:12 |
| BCMM | (i thought maybe this device just wasn't updating any packages, and both issues were symptoms thereof) | 19:13 |
| BCMM | (before, i mean) | 19:13 |
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| BCMM | python-pysie.qtmaemo5 and python-hildon are both at older versions on the phone with python issues | 19:17 |
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| BCMM | any idea why ham doesn't want to upgrade them? will upgrading them with apt-get kill everything? | 19:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | BCMM: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#T-maemo7.2 It's a Security update | 19:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | BCMM: what's in the problems tab on HAM | 19:19 |
| BCMM | sixwheeledbeast: no, i mean there are no updates waiting in ham | 19:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | SO what's the issue the device is on 7.1 and there are no updates? | 19:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | BCMM: ^^^ | 19:20 |
| BCMM | sixwheeledbeast: the 7.2 issues has been explained above i think; i think it's unconnected | 19:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | BCMM: ok, so have you run the applications from terminal, any output. | 19:21 |
| BCMM | sixwheeledbeast: the python stuff? they segfault | 19:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | BCMM: yes ok, so which applcations and what versions of python | 19:23 |
| BCMM | alarmed says "starting alarmed gui" before it segfaults | 19:23 |
| BCMM | i'm pretty sure the issue is the old pyside and python-hildon packages | 19:23 |
| BCMM | and i'm trying to work out why ham won't update them | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Probably because there not in the repo or there in a higher repo. which version? | 19:25 |
| BCMM | as i said, apt-get does want to upgrade them | 19:26 |
| BCMM | i'm upgrading them with apt-get now to see what happens | 19:26 |
| BCMM | well that sorted it... hope it doesn't cause any problems | 19:27 |
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| Horcrux | I wonder how many Captchas I've entered today... | 19:32 |
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| is_null | hi all, i campletely bricked the n900, it won't turn on anymore, won't flash, is there anything i can do ? | 21:03 |
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| BCMM_ | is_null: how did you do it? | 21:07 |
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| is_null | trying to flash it, like i did last time, but it didn't pick up the usb device, so i plugged the device in before starting flasher | 21:09 |
| is_null | and it ended failing | 21:10 |
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| is_null | i thought it was something wrong on my laptop linux os so i rebooted to try again and then i figured that i couldn't turn the phone on again | 21:11 |
| is_null | it was charged to max (green light) when i got started | 21:11 |
| is_null | i utterly failed today at this | 21:11 |
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| sardini | hello, | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | is_null: cold flash | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | is_null: after you fix your laptop | 21:16 |
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| is_null | thanks jacekowski, is there any way i can know my HW revision ? Tried 2101 but it doesn't find it | 21:25 |
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| is_null | on the sticker there is: 356938/03/130103/0 code 0574384 fcc id ljprx-51 ic 661e-rx51 | 21:27 |
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| is_null | i should try from a live linux distribution, which can you recommend ? | 21:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | is_null: debian or debian based like ubuntu/mint | 21:43 |
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| jacekowski | is_null: it's probably 2101 | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | is_null: is it detected at all when you plug it in (dmesG) | 21:59 |
| kerio | is_null: did you write over mtd0? | 22:02 |
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| RzR | http://www.xtreamermobile.com/joyz/index.html | 22:10 |
| kerio | RzR: spam! also android crap | 22:14 |
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| szopin | evening | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o? | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 23:22 |
| szopin | :? | 23:22 |
| szopin | :) | 23:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ;p | 23:23 |
| szopin | Just noticed aapo got eglibc with locales working... anyone else excited about possibility of rebasing fremantle on debian? | 23:23 |
| Woody14619 | ?? freebasing? Isn't that when you do drugs? ;) | 23:23 |
| szopin | or in other words, anyone thinks it can be done? | 23:23 |
| kerio | Woody14619: i was about to ask that | 23:23 |
| szopin | freemantle is also from aapo | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | Is that like Cordia.. putting maemo/hildon ontop of modern distro? | 23:24 |
| szopin | as in term... sounds sweet | 23:24 |
| szopin | I think so | 23:24 |
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| szopin | I hope fremantle on newest kernel/debian is not just a drug induced vision | 23:26 |
| kerio | mer is kinda maemo with modern stuff | 23:26 |
| kerio | and it turns out | 23:26 |
| kerio | fremantle is pretty fucking good wrt power consumption | 23:26 |
| MentalistTraceur | szopin: Everything can be done. And I would really hope this particular thing happens. | 23:26 |
| szopin | does it work on N900? | 23:26 |
| szopin | MentalistTraceur: You just have to believe in it... :( | 23:27 |
| szopin | Sadly similar efforts were there with N800 and... | 23:27 |
| Woody14619 | szopin: It takes more be belief. It takes action too... :) | 23:28 |
| MentalistTraceur | kerio: I would imagine that's due to insufficient experience with optimizing the kernel for the N900's particular hardware. (In other words stop crushing my dreams with reality dang it) | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the omap3 pm, dvfs and such, is in quite dire state in modern kernels | 23:29 |
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| szopin | Woody14619: I'd love to offer more, but am noob, still hoping the gurus can get together and make it real. All I can offer is testing (or if compile time is a prob I can do some but would need instructions) | 23:29 |
| szopin | I'm all for action, but aapo is recently the only one out there coming with ideas and they sound lovely | 23:30 |
| * Woody14619 would be it's more to Nokia closed source blobs with better hardware specific drivers than generic rev-eng drivers. | 23:30 | |
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| szopin | well, the ratio provided by aapo recently is 188 opensource packages in wheezy vs 1800+ having no simple 1:1 relation | 23:31 |
| szopin | maemo open source* | 23:32 |
| qwazix | Don't shoot but I find it easier to just start porting extras one by one to mer. | 23:32 |
| szopin | If they are just dl src and make, sure | 23:33 |
| * MentalistTraceur shoots | 23:33 | |
| MentalistTraceur | I wanna haz Maemo forever. | 23:33 |
| szopin | I'm bit worried with the sailfish craze this is going to be forgotten | 23:33 |
| szopin | (and they will most likely have no hwkb device which sucks) | 23:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | Honestly I wouldn't mind Mer either, if Cordia ported the Hildon-Desktop-style UI succesfully to it and it had, as Kerio pointed out, the same power efficiency, etc, as Fremantle. | 23:35 |
| szopin | I'd love that | 23:35 |
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| szopin | But there are some buts (like lousy 3g/gsm sound quality thanks to nokia PA) | 23:36 |
| szopin | at least that's what I read recently on tmo | 23:36 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, I'm off IRC for now. | 23:37 |
| szopin | GN | 23:37 |
| MentalistTraceur | This council meeting drained me. | 23:37 |
| * MentalistTraceur waves. | 23:37 | |
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| szopin | Is there going to be election or not? | 23:37 |
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| MentalistTraceur | szopin: You mean of the Board? We're giving the Board a little while to see how they act, before we try to force it on them. If you mean of the Council - yes, soon - it's almost time for us to announce the elections for the next council cycle anyway. | 23:39 |
| szopin | Thx | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | what's the point of having board and council? | 23:40 |
| szopin | no idea | 23:40 |
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| szopin | Just noticed there is drama | 23:40 |
| Woody14619 | If you can't understand that now.... | 23:40 |
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| RST38h | Can anyone? | 23:40 |
| Woody14619 | Then you're not following along. | 23:40 |
| Woody14619 | Sigh. | 23:40 |
| szopin | I myself would feel better with jim having my vote | 23:40 |
| szopin | which he has, but still | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | well, my understanding is that hifo is legal entity created to take over maemo.org assets | 23:41 |
| Woody14619 | Read please: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1329185&postcount=37 | 23:41 |
| szopin | reinob's call one-man-show is not unsubstantial | 23:41 |
| Woody14619 | yes, it is.. | 23:41 |
| Woody14619 | It was a one man show, litereally, for 2 days. | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | so, why we can't have board==council | 23:41 |
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| szopin | exactly | 23:42 |
| Woody14619 | Would you prefer Rob be the only person in charge right now? | 23:42 |
| szopin | NO | 23:42 |
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| Woody14619 | If renob had won that argument 6 months ago... that's where we would be right now. | 23:42 |
| szopin | I'd rather have him 1/3 | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | no i would prefer that whoever is elected for council is automatically elected for board | 23:42 |
| szopin | But not calling who our bosses are now | 23:42 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, but if you eliminate one or the other, and make them == now and forerver the same this will happen | 23:42 |
| Woody14619 | Please... read the post.. | 23:43 |
| szopin | If guys with mandate resigned, let us decide who has it now | 23:43 |
| RST38h | Satan does | 23:43 |
| Woody14619 | that's the issue... the ones with the mandate did not resign. | 23:43 |
| szopin | I might've not voted on SD, why would not the resgnees appoint their secretaries? | 23:43 |
| szopin | But the only guy left | 23:43 |
| szopin | His behaviour with International House of pancakes was weak | 23:44 |
| Woody14619 | because to appoint you need 2/3 approval. | 23:44 |
| szopin | Well, our bylaws are flawed then as 1/3 has no way to have legitimacy | 23:44 |
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| Woody14619 | I don't disagree... | 23:45 |
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| szopin | for those 2 days we had no powers to appoint | 23:45 |
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| jacekowski | 22:42 < szopin> I'd rather have him 1/3 | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | anything after that? | 23:45 |
| Woody14619 | no, not 2 of 3 people 2/3 as in two thirds of the votes must be in favor. | 23:46 |
| szopin | quite a bit I'm afraid | 23:46 |
| szopin | jacekowski: pm your email will try to paste, using xchat so not sure if it will work | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | i'll wait for logs to update | 23:47 |
| szopin | np | 23:48 |
| szopin | Still I believe last one standing guy appointing Nokia guys would be a treachery | 23:48 |
| szopin | (not saying this is the situation, but feels weak nonetheless) | 23:49 |
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| jacekowski | well nokia did a lot for maemo | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | they paid 4k eur/month for hosting at nemein | 23:49 |
| szopin | I agree totally | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | or thereabouts | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | they've funded the migration | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | i don't have a problem with them having a say with regards to the future | 23:50 |
| szopin | This is still more than they did for symbian I believe | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | to me it looks like nokia still has some plans for maemo | 23:50 |
| szopin | ??? | 23:50 |
| szopin | Please share your thoughts | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | as in, release maemo/meego device in the future | 23:50 |
| szopin | I have a dream... | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | or port maemo/meego to lumia phones | 23:51 |
| szopin | but it currently is rebasing maemo back to deb | 23:51 |
| szopin | I'd love maemo on 920 | 23:51 |
| szopin | but that is far from dream | 23:52 |
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| szopin | more like drug induced vision | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | not exactly | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | you can probably run linux on it | 23:52 |
| szopin | ??? | 23:52 |
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| szopin | You can flash it with any linux img? | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | theoretically speaking | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | it's still arm | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | and linux works very well on arm | 23:53 |
| szopin | Sure, but OIS drivers? | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | driver wise, only touchscreen and gsm will be a problem | 23:53 |
| szopin | hmm | 23:53 |
| arcean | btw | 23:53 |
| arcean | RM-716 = Nokia N9 developed for the United States market, based on Qualcomm Snapdragon S2. Contained the same hardware as the Nokia Lumia 800. | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | so honestly, i don't see why not | 23:54 |
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| szopin | do you see how to? | 23:54 |
| * RST38h salivates | 23:54 | |
| szopin | maemo on 920 would rock | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | well, booting linux on it would be pretty easy, getting touch input working and telephony stuff not so much | 23:54 |
| szopin | ok, I'll bite | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | people managed to port android to iCrap | 23:55 |
| szopin | how do you boot linux on 920? | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | i would start by downloading original firmware image | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | building kernel for the hardware | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | and then flash it | 23:56 |
| szopin | Is any of those steps possible? | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | yes | 23:56 |
| szopin | pls tell more | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | unfortunatelly, it isn't easy to get from running linux kernel to having usable device with working userland | 23:57 |
| szopin | cpu patches might end up there, but win drivers are a hard block no? | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | well, not that hard, people managed to reverse iphone hardware well enough to run android on it | 23:58 |
| RST38h | jaceowski: why not? you boot it into bash and accept calls in emacs! | 23:58 |
| * RST38h has seen one specimen like that | 23:58 | |
| jacekowski | well, for some people emacs is acceptable userland | 23:58 |
| szopin | hmm... did anyone try the x86 phones? | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | but i would prefer X myself | 23:58 |
| szopin | there were a couple | 23:58 |
| RST38h | ok, you boot into X and run emacs there! | 23:59 |
| RST38h | under twm | 23:59 |
| szopin | in theory you could just put debian on them | 23:59 |
| RST38h | do not forget to sharpen your fingers, those twm window frames are tiny | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | szopin: i'm afraid that you may have to carry extra 5 batteries with you for that | 23:59 |
| szopin | window frames? get a shell running and we're home | 23:59 |
| kerio | linux: emacs edition | 23:59 |
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