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sixwheeledbeastThere are lumps (pages) of the wiki missing, do we know about it?00:36
SpeedEvildo they show up in history00:41
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sixwheeledbeast some of the pages here are broken/blank like the infra one for example00:55
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jacekowskiEstel_: autobuilder is working01:02
jacekowskiEstel_: that's the state of it01:02
freemangordonjacekowski: did you try to push KP through it?01:03
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freemangordonkernel-power, it is famous in breaking autobuilder01:04
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jacekowskiwell, trying it now01:15
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Estel_thanks, jacekowski04:08
Estel_hey, i just saw some thread "intros" made by some funny guy that Imve never heard about04:09
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Estel_acclaiming that he was appointed to take position in BoD, instead of elections04:09
Estel_I would take it a joke, but knowing how miracolously maemo is managed, it's probably true, yep?04:09
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Estel_why won't we outright declare monarchy and buy, IDK, sealand? (lmgtfo: sealand)04:10
Estel_just teasing a little - I found that thread extremely amusing to read, even if came there by accident ("intros" suggest, that he wanted to know about managing intro videos for N900...)04:10
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DocScrutinizer05indeed, the thread title is poorly chosen, and his introduction is missing even his clear full name04:30
DocScrutinizer05and yes, he got appointed by sd69, as clearly is written in this thread04:30
DocScrutinizer05it's a followup to
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thedead1440I think the thread title should be "A personal introduction by JimJag"04:33
DocScrutinizer05about declaring monarchy, you're somewhat behind of most recent events. We basically already had (or still have?) that, and council and a few others are fighting it ( :-P tongue in cheek)04:33
thedead1440ok will change it now04:34
DocScrutinizer05maybe use his full name instead04:34
thedead1440what's his full name04:34
DocScrutinizer05please check04:35
thedead1440Jim Jagielski04:35
thedead1440done ;)04:35
DocScrutinizer05"A personal introduction by Jim Jagielscy [appointed HiFo BoD member]"04:35
thedead1440" > A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski) "04:36
thedead1440you want the HiFo part? seems a bit biased, no?04:37
infobotthedead1440 meant: you want the HiFo part? seems a bit sarcastic, no?04:37
DocScrutinizer05well, it's not meant sarcastic04:40
DocScrutinizer05change it to "[Hildon Foundation] A personal introduction by Jimjag (Jim Jagielski) " if you think that's better04:41
thedead1440yeah that's better04:44
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DocScrutinizer05*may* you also edit his post to point to that new thread? Or is this sth a mod shouldn't do on tmo?05:11
DocScrutinizer05nm, I simply added a post with a note05:13
thedead1440yeah i would have edited it if people seem unsure but since you've posted its enough ;)05:14
thedead1440i do edit posts; like certain threads whereby OP doesn't link to solution or duplicate posts etc... basically all harmless stuff :D05:15
DocScrutinizer05do you receive any notifications from TMO anymore?05:16
thedead1440hmm i'm not subscribed to many threads actually05:16
thedead1440i'm active enough to notice posts without a notification :D05:17
thedead1440could you delete your post and post it again?05:17
thedead1440i've subscribed to that thread05:17
thedead1440so we can find out now05:18
DocScrutinizer05I'll rather post a new one and delete it05:18
DocScrutinizer05or rather, you delete it05:19
thedead1440no notification05:21
DocScrutinizer05thought as much05:21
thedead1440after deleting your post it redirected me to:
DocScrutinizer05yup, and that's a moot source for any smtp sendmail05:23
DocScrutinizer05literally nobody will accept mail from that server, for now05:23
DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] tmo notification mail is broken. Sorry for the inconvenience05:24
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DocScrutinizer05eventually tmo admin will set up a banner to let all users of tmo know about the fact, and explain why this issue arised and when it's supposed to be fixed05:25
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thedead1440yeah in migration #2?05:25
thedead1440oh you posted here05:26
thedead1440sorry was confused a bit05:26
thedead1440i was thinking of making migration #2 thread sticky and removing the service downtime thread from sticky05:27
thedead1440that way it would be easier to follow on-goings05:27
DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] similar isses are likely to occur with other services during migration#2, which has its top at Thursday 1700UTC when Nokia is supposed to switch the DNS pointers to new infra05:28
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: sounds fair05:28
thedead1440you do changes to the migration #2 thread title to make it clearer and update the OP with current status; i'll change the sticky05:29
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DocScrutinizer05k, will look into it05:29
thedead1440your thread is now first thread in General so make it as clear as possible05:30
thedead1440i'm removing the fundraiser thread from sticky too since its pretty moot05:30
* DocScrutinizer05 has a last look at ganglia, shudders, burps, and heads out, waving05:35
thedead1440good night Doc ;)05:36
thedead1440hmm www having excessive load05:36
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jpinxis there a way to clone one n900 to another ?05:55
bef0rdbackupmenu sounds like an option05:55
infoboti guess backupmenu is
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Estel_Does anyone know how to get console map (.map) out of X keyboard map file (like our nokia_vdnr/rx-51)09:11
Estel_I would like to duplicate my hardware keyboard map into recovery shell/similar console mappings09:12
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divVerent21:31:26           Estel_ | divVerent,  qhy you constantly like to make your life harder?:P10:51
divVerent21:32:21           Estel_ | either do as DocScrutinizer05 suggested with vanilla folders and overmounting, or do like me with dead symlinks (which btw, works for most .config things too).10:51
divVerentEstel_: both ways ARE making the life very hard10:51
divVerent21:33:26            kerio | because things will get error messages10:51
divVerent21:33:34            kerio | and you *really* can't open a dead link, afaik10:51
divVerent21:34:07           Estel_ | thats why I use it, in practice,. But if someone want plausible deniability more, vanilla overmount files are the way to go10:51
divVerentdoesn't work for the browser10:51
divVerentit silently replaced a dead symlink ~/.bookmarks by a new file10:52
keriotablet-browser-ui is a piece of crap, yes10:52
divVerentand overmount means having to kill all those processes10:52
divVerentwhich is EXACTLY what I call a mess10:52
divVerentEstel_: and what is this about text2screen getting possibly removed?10:53
divVerentwhat happens to bootmenu/backupmenu then?10:53
divVerentEstel_: but assuming I have to restart stuf... that really sucks... can't I _somehow_ show a prompt on X11 first, and only THEN start up all the stuff?10:56
divVerentEstel_: also, can you maybe share your current script, regarding the list of all that needs killing/restarting?11:01
divVerentalthough I still REALLY don't like the approach, given it's quite easy to go wrong11:01
divVerentalready noticed that if you kill browserd too often, the device reboots11:01
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HurriandivVerent: Meet the watchdog.11:25
divVerentI just wonder why the WEB browser is seen as THAT critical11:27
divVerentif it were the telephone subsystem, I would understand11:27
divVerentbut why would I even care if MicroB runs when I want to use e.g. Opera?11:27
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keriodivVerent: browserd also powers Conversations11:51
kerioaka rtcom-messaging-ui11:52
jaskawhich is an awful way :D11:53
jaskacant get rid of it to save ram11:53
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: ((it silently replaced a dead symlink ~/.bookmarks by a new file)) toldya11:53
jaskachown it to root, perhaps chattr +i? :)11:54
DocScrutinizer05((if you kill browserd too often, the device reboots)) toldya11:55
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: I know, but we still have no SOLUTION... this overmounting stuff has the very same issue (browser keeping to use the previous files)11:55
divVerentyes, that too11:55
divVerentanyone know how to use flasher -b to override boot parameters?11:57
divVerentI tried and failed, don't know why11:57
divVerentit simply booted up with the original /proc/cmdline11:57
DocScrutinizer05I think that never worked11:57
divVerentthat means acting at preinit level is also ruled out for a WORKING encryption setup11:58
divVerentbecause replacing the preinit file is bad because that gets lost on upgrades11:58
divVerent(or patching it)11:58
DocScrutinizer05bootmenu hook is your best option11:58
divVerentbut then I depend on bootmenu... but yes11:58
divVerentthat is what I am currently trying11:58
DocScrutinizer05but you'll need to edit some initscripts anyway11:58
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe not11:59
divVerentwhat I basically am trying now:11:59
divVerentpassword prompt at bootup11:59
divVerentprovides /home/user first monted to /.home.user11:59
divVerenton /home, user shall be a symlink to /.home.user11:59
divVerentand basically, existing init scripts SHOULD be ahppy then11:59
DocScrutinizer05the mount-over & fuser -k approach might work without any edits to init11:59
divVerentthat is the other approach I am trying to follow... that is the preferred method when using encfs, of course12:00
divVerentbut fuser -k only kills processes that currently have files open - not such that have read files, and keep their contents in memory12:00
divVerentalso, a general fuser -k -m /home is KINDA unwise ;)12:01
divVerentit probably is equivalent to kill -- -1 as user... actually, wonder what happens if I do THAT12:01
divVerentin busybox, kill -15 -112:02
divVerentand no, the init system does NOT handle this well12:02
DocScrutinizer05why would any app do open() read() close() <use local buffer> open() write() close()?12:02
divVerentI had hoped upstart would then respawn all that's necessary ;)12:02
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: would be totally sensible for email12:03
divVerentfirst read acccount info12:03
divVerentclose config file12:03
divVerentthen use what you read all the time12:03
divVerentand when user changes settings, open again, write, close12:03
divVerentthis is probably the usual way to do things with text files12:03
divVerentwhile database files normally are kept open12:03
DocScrutinizer05then kill -912:03
DocScrutinizer05instead of kill12:03
divVerentno, I am not worried about the writing part ;)12:04
divVerentbut that the process may not even be identified by fuser -k in the first place12:04
DocScrutinizer05aaah I see, you're worried you miss processes to kill12:04
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divVerentstupid example: browser having file:///home/user/secret/info.txt open12:04
divVerentthe file is closed as soon as it's rendered12:04
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divVerentso overmount/fuser -k -m won't get the browser in this case (if the secret/ dir is all I worry about)12:04
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divVerentbut the user would in this case have to manually refresh the browser12:05
DocScrutinizer05you'll find out about that possibly 1 or 2 programs and add it to the list of processes to kill "manually"12:05
DocScrutinizer05xchat for example is known to never write back config edits unless properly terminated from GUI12:07
divVerentbut really too bad that kill -15 -1 does not do what it should ;)12:07
DocScrutinizer05not even gentle device shutdown will make it write back edits12:07
divVerenton most desktop linux, killing ALL processes you own just brings you back to the login screen12:07
divVerentand even killing all on the X-owned tty would happily restart the login session [but then you lose text mode...]12:08
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders if ACT_DEAD could do something useful for divVerent12:09
divVerenthehe, I found this one too... but have not yet seen the way to get OUT of that mode ;)12:09
divVerentanyway, suppose I want to overmount whole /home/user... wonder how to best find out what I need to kill then12:09
DocScrutinizer05an alarmd event should do the trick12:10
divVerentfixing MyDocs is trivial, so let's ignore that12:10
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divVerent(for MyDocs, either umount/mount, or two levels of mount --bind would do the trick)12:10
DocScrutinizer05lsof is a first good approach12:10
divVerentyes, lsof can do a bit more than fuser12:11
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divVerentfuser -m is no option because /home/user is not a file system :P12:11
DocScrutinizer05we also got inotify12:11
divVerentwonder if doing mount --rbind /home/user /home/user done "early enough" would fix fuser -m12:12
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DocScrutinizer05inotifywatch/inotifywait could help you create a list of all processes ever touching some files you want to know about12:13
DocScrutinizer05would also catch those that do open() read() close()12:14
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divVerentwonder if there is a more clever way than lsof +D12:16
divVerentinotify... works if I start it early enough12:17
divVerentkill `lsof +D /home/user -t`12:19
divVerentis still a bad idea12:19
DocScrutinizer05yeah, since it most likely kills hildon-*12:21
divVerentin a way that is what I want/need to do12:22
divVerentas it DOES use info from the homedir12:22
keriomounting /home, running shit, and remounting /home is a silly idea12:22
divVerentkerio: right... I am basically pursusing two separate paths, to see which one will work better12:22
divVerent1. separate dmcrypt partition; /home/user then gets entirely used from that12:22
divVerent2. encfs at runtime, reinitializing user processes12:23
divVerent"problem" of 1. is that it is obviously not deniable, whatever you do12:23
divVerentas you WILL get a password prompt at boot12:23
keriono you won't12:23
divVerenthow to ask for the key then?12:23
keriouboot that needs a held key combination12:23
divVerentah, tricks like that12:24
kerioand the whole system on uSD12:24
divVerentor luks setup timeout, and no screen output ;)12:24
keriofor deniablity you also need a real, stock system behind12:24
divVerentand I don't need that12:24
divVerentwhere I live, encryption is (still) legal12:24
divVerent(and giving out the key is not required)12:24
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divVerenthm... what am I doing wrong when my alternate linuxrc script isn't started at all by bootmenu?13:14
divVerentI am pretty sure it is not being started at all, as I have text2screen stuff at the top13:15
divVerentand modprobe fbcon next :P13:16
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divVerenthm... it tries to find /mnt/initfs/$LINUXRC... that of course won't work14:16
divVerent(debugging it now by having added "modprobe fbcon" to preinit)14:17
keriono it doesn't, does it?14:21
keriothere's no /mnt/initfs in stock maemo14:21
divVerentbecause there is by default no pivot_root switch14:22
divVerentbut the rootfs is what the kernel sees at initialization14:22
kerioin /sbin/preinit14:22
divVerentat least on the N900, I do see the scripts have support for other setups14:22
kerioalso, that should be the bootloader's job14:22
keriowhat you see is bit rot14:22
divVerentSHOULD ;)14:23
divVerentok, found ONE possible solution... apparently, all the items need to have the same ID14:30
divVerentnamely, "nand"14:31
keriooh well, at least someone is going to test the unused cruft in preinit14:34
madduckwhere can I get the 20.2010.36-2 Vanilla image for the N900? The server is broken…14:42
madduckdoes anyone have them?14:42
infoboti guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
thedead1440madduck: ^^^14:43
madduckthedead1440: thanks!14:43
madduckthis is preferable to some .ru domain ;)14:43
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divVerentHAHA, HERE [ -f ] is NO good idea ;)14:45
madducki really hope this will get my n900 completely back to factory as there is so much stuff on it from the previous owner, I really don't want to deal with it.14:45
divVerenti.e. [ -f /dev/mmcblk0p4 ] just won't ever match ;)14:45
divVerentmadduck: it will, and ONLY this will14:46
divVerentI had the same problem when I got my N900... I didn't even TRY if doing less would have achieved it too14:46
divVerentjust reflashed both images14:46
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madduckso emmc and then vanilla?14:46
madduckeh, emmc and then combined14:46
divVerentread the page, I already forgot the proper order14:46
divVerentand there then was some weird reboot trick you have to do as well14:46
madduckRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin followed by RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin it seems14:46
divVerentit's all explained and it worked for me, but I cannot remember exactly14:46
divVerentalso, if you do wrong, the device won't be bricked - you will just have to start over if I understand it right14:47
divVerentbecause the USB flasher mode (holding U key thing) acts before kernel is loaded14:48
divVerentBTW, do NOT do the boot loader reflash. You won't need it.14:48
divVerentthat is the only part that CAN brick it ;)14:48
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divVerentHAHA; my encryption prompt now SOMEWHAT works... need to fix keymap though14:50
divVerentor passwords can only use lowercase letters :P14:50
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divVerentnow the only part that may require editing init scripts may be bind-mounting /.home.user to /home/user14:52
madduckwhat is hwid? what is the type label of the device? I cannot see anything on the back14:52
divVerentb elow the battery?14:52
madduckno 4 digit code there14:52
divVerentwhere are you asked for it?14:52
madduckcold flash14:52
keriowhy do you need to cold flash?14:52
divVerentdon't cold flash14:52
divVerent13:48:12        divVerent | BTW, do NOT do the boot loader reflash. You won't need it.14:53
divVerent13:48:27        divVerent | that is the only part that CAN brick it ;)14:53
divVerentthat's what I meant by this :P14:53
divVerentno settings or user data are stored on the boot loader area14:53
divVerentso there is no need to overwrite it14:53
madduckwell, i flashed the emmc and then the combined image, but the combined image didn't do any writing, just quit with exit code 0 after printing a lot14:53
divVerentthen you did it wrong. Your device probably will fail booting now, which is ok. Maybe reboot and hold U again?14:54
divVerentthen retry the other image?14:54
divVerentBTW, for rebooting, USB may not be plugged in14:54
divVerentthat's all the output?14:54
madducki get a dialog to unlock, all messed up, and then am told there's a missing image14:54
madduckwhich image is missing? emmc or combined?14:55
divVerentreflash the combined now, I would say14:55
divVerentthe EMMC upload worked, given the output14:55
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madduckyeah, but same for combined flash14:55
madducknothing is uploaded14:56
madduckmaybe it detects that it's already uploaded? maybe i need to flash older stuff first, then try again with the latest?14:56
divVerentno, sure not14:56
divVerentit's not that clever14:56
madduckah, now the combined flash works, magically14:56
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divVerentjust for reference, I had used these images:14:57
madducklet's see how far this gets me now…14:57
madduckokay, i have a newer emmc but the same combined14:57
divVerentshould make no difference anyway14:57
madduckthere'll be some difference, albeit minute14:58
divVerenta difference the first software upgrade run should fix ;)14:58
madduckyay apt14:59
madduckalright, let's see…14:59
madduckbooting now14:59
madduckgosh it's slow15:00
madduckthe lock code is still the one I set, not 1234515:00
keriothe lock code is in CAL15:01
kerioit's not flashed15:01
madduckokay, good.15:02
madduckyay, it seems vanilla now!15:03
madducknow i need to find a way to import contacts via caldav, set up jabber, email, and find a way to monitor data usage15:03
madduck(suggestions welcome)15:03
madduckcarddav even ;)15:04
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jargonis extras-devel still offline? i heard it's been back up for a while now, but i keep getting error "Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch" what gives?15:07
jargonit's even 404ing in the browser15:10
r00t^homesomething about an nfs bug corrupting files... there's a mirror that works15:11
r00t^home(as nobody who knows better answered)15:11
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
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jargonr00t^home: thanks15:30
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jargondoesn't contain frontcamera but at least it seems to be working15:31
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cityLightsI must admit that opening my calender in the desktop as sql is a joy to someone not dealing with SQL too frequent15:43
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cityLightsby the way, as I see so many ppl here, did anyone manage to get an event service?16:04
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5116:04
cityLightssuch that colelcts all sort of inputs as, gps, wifi connection etc16:04
cityLightsthen you can issue an action by the events collection...16:05
divVerentwhat launches /usr/sbin/
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PalidivVerent, ke-recv16:05
divVerentI am lookign for the logic how it finds the device name to use for MyDocs16:08
divVerentbecause, it now seems to detect /dev/dm-0 instead of mmcblk0p116:08
PalidivVerent, it is from HAL16:09
Palior from /etc/fstab16:09
divVerentsure not from fstab16:09
divVerenthal, how to check16:09
Palike-recv use HAL16:09
Pali$ lshal16:09
DocScrutinizer51cityLights: there's dwimd and profile manager16:09
divVerentin HAL I only see the right device16:10
divVerentthe other does not have MyDocs in its info16:11
divVerentmy question is rather, where is the decision made which device to use16:11
divVerentthe data is pulled from HAL, but then?16:11
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Palike-recv listening for HAL changes, then it read device from /dev/, read filesytem and mount it. mmc device is mounted to /media/mmc*, usb disks are mounted to /media/usb/*16:13
divVerentbut what becomes /home/user/MyDocs then?16:13
Palimaemo system has hardcoded mmcblk<something> for MyDocs16:15
divVerentexcept it does not16:15
divVerentI _want_ it to use mmcblk0p116:15
divVerentbut for some reason it now uses /dev/dm-016:16
divVerentwhen I changed preinit to open a crypto device16:16
Paliwhat is dm-0 ??16:16
divVerentdevice mapper stuff16:16
Palidid you installed 3rd app?16:16
divVerentand my own scripting16:16
Palidid you changed something?16:16
divVerentso I want a way to fix it16:16
divVerentof course I did16:16
Palimaybe that 3rd app messing it16:16
divVerentso I want to find out how to fix this ke-recv part16:16
divVerentsure, by creating the dm-0 device16:16
divVerentso I want to find out how to make ke-recv use the right device EVEN if dm-0 exists16:16
divVerentbecause I cannot avoid dm-0 existing16:17
PalidivVerent, do you have cssu?16:17
Paliyou can use blacklist script: /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh16:17
divVerentthat may be an idea16:17
divVerenthm... so it all depends on mmc_host.slot_name16:18
Paliin $PDEV is full path to device in /dev16:18
divVerent(now having ke-recv sources open)16:18
divVerentTHAT one I cannot change...16:18
Paliin $MP is mount point16:18
divVerentthe device mapper device apparently inherits it from its base device16:19
Palislot_name is exported from kernel16:19
divVerentand what prevents it from also mounting the OTHER mmc devices?16:20
divVerentlike the root partition16:20
Paliin /etc/default/ you can check if $PDEV is /dev/dm-0 and then exit16:22
divVerentyes, I know16:22
divVerentbut I want to see if there is a better way, as someone may already have put a blacklist there16:22
PalidivVerent, I'm patching ke-recv and also rcS-late which generate /etc/fstab16:23
PaliI'm adding support for real /etc/fstab which will not be overwritten16:23
Paliso this can fix your problem16:23
Palibut it is not finished & tested yet16:23
divVerentthen using the blacklist for now is good enough16:32
divVerentreal fstab suppoort would indeed be good16:33
divVerent                       1030548      1304    976896   0% /.home.user16:34
divVerentI have now this mounted...16:34
divVerentand eventually, I want to mount this over /home/user16:34
divVerentfor which I currently WILL have to patch rcS-late16:34
divVerentto blacklist a device, what is the blacklist script supposed to do?16:36
divVerentexit 0? or exit 1?16:36
divVerentexit 0, I suppose16:36
divVerentat least that's what the comment in the calling script says ;)16:38
PalidivVerent, that script is loaded by "source" command16:40
Paliso it does not depends on exit value16:40
divVerentit has to exit for the blacklisting to succeed16:42
divVerentwhich also exits the calling script then16:42
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divVerent    if [ -d /.home.user/MyDocs ]; then16:44
divVerent        mount --bind /.home.user /home/user16:44
divVerentlet's see if THAT will work16:44
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divVerentfsck is a bit unhappy that this early at bootup, clock isn't set yet :P16:45
divVerentok, did a small edit on hildon desktop... rebooted without crypto disk mounted16:49
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divVerentwidget is gone, great16:49
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divVerentnow rebooted with crypto disk active again... and it is there again16:51
divVerentactually... apparently I didn't just implement encrypted homedir... but switchable user accounts ;)16:51
divVerentin boot menu, if I boot unencrypted, I can get a totally different environment16:52
divVerentonly catch, MyDocs is no longer mounted... argh16:53
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DocScrutinizer51(account switching) which been the whole purpose16:55
divVerentif you want some sort of deniability, yes16:56
DocScrutinizer51mounting mydocs is simple16:57
divVerentI know16:57
divVerentbut I want to find out why it no longer works automatically16:57
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divVerentI only blacklisted /dev/dm-* and /dev/mapper/*16:57
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divVerentITEM_NAME="IBM OS/2 Warp 5 Mobile"16:58
divVerentwonder if THAT is still "plausible" ;)16:58
DocScrutinizer51ooh blacklist? my little hackl?16:58
divVerentyes, ebcause for some reason with a dm-crypt device opened at boot16:58
divVerentthe ke-recv thing tries to mount /dev/dm-0 and not /dev/mmcblk0p1 as MyDocs16:58
divVerentso I tried blacklisting /dev/dm-016:59
divVerentbut now nothing gets mounted as MyDocs16:59
divVerent/dev/dm-0 is a device node created by device-mapper, I cannot REALLY avoid creating it16:59
divVerenteven if I deleted it, it'd still appear in /proc/partitions and the like16:59
divVerentI also noticed another issue... something is wrong with the parted package17:01
divVerentit cannot resize FAT partitions17:01
divVerentI ended up rather doing it via backupmenu's usb mass storage support17:02
divVerentit claims to do it, "moving data", but nothing changed in the end17:02
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divVerentBTW, the blacklist does NOT work properly... "mass storage mode" of USB still is broken17:03
divVerent[22439.310163] sd 29:0:0:0: [sdc] 2094072 512-byte logical blocks: (1.07 GB/1022 MiB)17:03
divVerentthat's not the VFAT partition, that's my encrypted drive17:03
divVerenti.e. still /dev/dm-017:03
divVerentbut there MUST be ONE common place where it decides which device to use for MyDocs17:03
DocScrutinizer51well, the blacklist script is just a suggestion17:05
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divVerentyes, it was a good idea17:06
divVerentjust didn't work out17:06
DocScrutinizer51it been intentionally simplistic17:08
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divVerenthal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_eba1177e_6662_4421_86ab_2dedb96b74bb --key block.storage_device --string ""17:11
divVerentafter this command it "works"17:11
divVerentwell, simplistic... where DOES it make the decision which device to use?17:12
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divVerent[22995.255798] sd 30:0:0:0: [sdc] 54536128 512-byte logical blocks: (27.9 GB/26.0 GiB)17:12
divVerentalso right one for USB17:12
divVerent                ULOG_WARN_F("%s has more than one children, "17:15
divVerent                            "using the first one", udi);17:15
divVerentargh... ok, this tells it all17:15
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divVerentit simply uses the first device HAL returns, and HAL has no specific ordering17:15
divVerentcan the order in which HAL returns stuff be influenced somehow?17:16
divVerentfaking block.storage_device and info.parent isn't REALLY a good idea to do17:17
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divVerent    if [ -d /.home.user/MyDocs ]; then17:24
divVerent      hal-set-property --udi `hal-find-by-property --key block.device --string "/dev/dm-0"` --key block.storage_device --string ""17:24
divVerent      mount --bind /.home.user /home/user17:24
divVerent    fi17:24
divVerentnew version of the rcS-late hack :P17:24
divVerentif it weren't for this one hack, everything else could become a .deb...17:25
divVerent(ok, would then have to change it to use a container file, not a partition... but that'd be all then)17:25
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divVerentwhere does Maemo store email account info? the "plain view" still can see the email accounts, but not use them17:36
divVerentWLAN passwords - same17:36
DocScrutinizer05parts of it in gconf, I'd guess17:36
DocScrutinizer05WLAN passwords: gconf17:37
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divVerenthm... ok, so gconf stuff needs also to be put on the encrypted drive17:38
divVerentTHAT gets ugly now17:38
divVerentespecially as I won't be surprised if SOME gconf use takes place before rcS-late17:38
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divVerentwhy else would there be a system wide gconf database?17:41
divVerentmy plan would be to move it to /home/user and symlink it back17:41
DocScrutinizer05because it's 1337 and feels almost like windows registry?17:41
DocScrutinizer05the gconf files are spread all across the system, depending on where the schema belongs to17:42
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divVerentwonder what breaks on an empty gconf database17:47
divVerentAH, the default screen again... good17:49
divVerentand no more WLANs, no more email accounts17:49
divVerentI am not sure whether I like or not that both modes use the same unlock code17:51
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divVerentok, I apparently lost my gconf database... itr SEEMS like /var/lib/gconf cannot be a symlink. Is there any way to recover? I did move the files back, but this didn't work out.18:03
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divVerenthm... oh wait, after reboot SOMETHING came back now... but email now always crashes with internal error18:08
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divVerentugh, stupid me... apparently I did something as root I shouldn't have :P18:09
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divVerentah, yet another reboot fixed THAT18:12
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r00t^homedivVerent: good stuff... i'm waiting for your writeup :D18:17
divVerentit LOOKS like it works somewhat stable now... the real test is now18:22
divVerentI again deleted the gconf DB in /var/lib and only kept the one in my encrypted home18:22
divVerentand use mount to overlay it, as a symlink has failed18:22
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divVerentagain gconf DB lost... stupid gconf thing18:25
divVerentARGH... on the backupmenu root console... how to type escape?18:29
divVerentit probably told me on that start screen, but now it's too late18:31
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divVerentI am quite annyoed that gconf database cannot be just moved elsewhere and symlinked... wonder what started gconfd then18:40
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Estel_Pali,  when I try loadkeys-maemo -m -b > nokia-n900.kmap19:00
Estel_...using files from your brz branch ( as you provided there).19:00
Estel_I get19:01 syntax error19:01
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Estel_Pali,  any ideas wtf or what I'm doing wrong?19:02
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Estel_divVerent,  uh (about browser overwriting dead symlinks19:03
Estel_I appreciate your work into making it better ;)19:04
divVerentworks now19:04
divVerentkillall -HUP gconfd-2 did the trick19:04
Estel_as for processes that need restart, I can't provide all of them as i never need to restart them - using dead symlinks and truecrypt, I never have to restart anything :P19:04
Estel_well, there is interesting approach you may try, though19:04
divVerentproblem was, hal already startet gconfd19:05
Estel_do you recall "five dots" animation at boot?19:05
Estel_at first, it's just displays this video, then, later on boot, it's program that display dots undefinitely, until killed, started from Xsession.something19:05
Estel_could be replaced with, lets say, truecrypt dialogue asking for password19:06
Estel_keyfiles, etc19:06
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divVerentI see19:06
Estel_if scripts calling dots are modified correctly, it would wait with everything till one closes that window, by mounting or cancelling19:07
divVerentpproblem is just lots of stuff dependikng on dbus, even hal19:07
divVerentand dbusk holding all thhe passwords19:07
divVerentno, sorry19:08
divVerentno, sorry19:08
divVerentno, sorry19:08
Estel_np, even triple :P19:08
divVerentfinallyy right key19:08
divVerentanyway... sighup fixes gconf if used early enough19:08
divVerentbut i stilll need two changed system files19:09
sixwheeledbeastAnybody using Fennec Thumb?19:10
divVerentrcS-late and ke-rcvr19:10
Estel_god damn19:13
Estel_trying to get console map out of my x mapping (on N900)19:13
Estel_there is loadkeys that can export binary .kmap file, that can get loaded by loadkmap, for example during recovery shell...19:14
Estel_which allow to use numbers and symbols on such shell, from N900 keyboard19:14
Estel_but even trying to do with unmodified source file (, I get syntax error in source file?19:16
Estel_either I'm doing it all wrong, or Pali screwed smth in that source file/or in kbd package from repos19:16
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Estel_well, it seems that Pali screwed it, after all19:58
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Estel_his source file is not in line with syntax that keymaps expect, so no doubt loadkeys shout about syntax error19:59
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* Estel_ is going to try rewriting .map file again, as first one, for complete keyboard, was made using syntax from Pali's source... fck!20:00
PaliEstel_, working source code is in Extras-devel package recovery-console20:00
Estel_or I still don't get .map syntax, which is also possible, but I would mean I'll waste another 30 mins20:00
Estel_oh, Pali :) I know that writing about screwing will summon you, where pings failed20:01
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Palithat was successfully compiled by scratchbox and autobuilder20:01
Estel_thanks, but bzr branch was just plain wrong?20:01
Palino idea, maybe I did not updated it20:01
Estel_re those syntax errors from maemo's loadkeys-maemo, while trying to -b it into kbmap?20:01
Estel_I see. On TMO post, you've written that you replaced binary .kmap file with it's source in branch20:02
PaliI do not remember args... really look at recovery console20:02
Estel_binary file worked, so I though it's all ok to use source ;)20:02
Palithat package working on my n90020:02
Palisource code in that package should work20:02
Estel_thanks, will try it20:03
Pali(at least scratchbox and autobuilder compiled working version)20:03
PaliI remember that there was big problems about it...20:03
Estel_I see. Well, I pinged you mainly, to ensure that loadkeys-maemo from kb package (uploaded by you) is supposed to be working20:04
Estel_will try it with source from recovery shell package in a moment20:04
Estel_if packages interface is working ;)20:04
infobotfrom memory, rmo-new is do `echo >>/etc/hosts` on your N900, as root, or
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sixwheeledbeasttmo down?20:16
freemangordonyep , "gateway timeout"20:16
sixwheeledbeastah fmg20:16
sixwheeledbeastthumb fennec... doesnt work in portrait correct?20:17
freemangordonthere were some glitches from time to time20:17
freemangordonbut it is an upstream bug iirc20:18
sixwheeledbeastonly if you open the app in portrait, not rotation to portrait20:18
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: yep, I remember there were some problems. however, my focus now is on embedlite20:18
sixwheeledbeastkk no worries20:19
freemangordonI hope something realy useful will come out of it20:19
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JaffaInteresting. Jim Jaglieski is a member of the Hildon Foundation and seems to have had it pitched as a way of bringing a competitor to iOS or Android to market.21:47
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Woody14619I've been becoming more and more aware that there is a deep misunderstanding on both sides of this as to what the other has seen.  How much of that is based on misperception, miscommunication, or misrepresentation is yet to be seen.  But I fear the latter is not entierly out of the question, as I'd hope it would be.21:49
JaffaJust reading your posts on TMO, and you've been making the same points as me - so I'll probably shut up :-)21:50
Woody14619Well.. A small chime in I think would be helpfull.  ;)  But that's up to you.  I originally mistook GeneralAntilles post on MWNK to be your writing, in part because you do tend to be one of the more rule-based and letter-of-the-law following folks. ;)21:51
Woody14619.oO(And in part because I was tired when replying and missed the by line. ;)21:51
Estel_Pali, from recovery boot package, indeed compiles OK via loadkeys21:53
Estel_still, I don't get something21:53
Estel_keymaps man state, that keys should be listed per columns, as defined by scipt header. So, if 0-2,4 is dfined as columns...21:54
GeneralAntillesJaffa, yeah, that angle is certainly interesting.21:55
Estel_first key for given keycode is plain press, 1 is shift + key, 2 is AltGr + key, and 4 is ctrl + key21:55
Estel_now, that should be, as per keymaps, only way to define it - using "weight" of modifiers, and every modifier have certain power of two weight21:55
Estel_now, Pali, in your, it looks as it's mixed21:56
Estel_for example21:56
Estel_keycode  18 = e21:56
Estel_altgrkeycode  18 = three21:56
Estel_why the hell that 2nd line works at all, instead of being 2nd column21:57
Estel_now, later in that script:21:58
Estel_keycode  51 = commasemicolonequal21:58
Estel_which seems to be proper way of defining it as per keymaps manual21:58
Estel_(comma = 0, aka "just pressed", semicolon is key + shift, equal is AltGr + key)21:59
Estel_why the heck in some parts of this script it is defined like that, and somewhere else, it looks like in previous example (altgr keycode 18 = three)22:00
Estel_Pali, or anyone else who have experience with console keyboard maps, could you explain it?22:00
Estel_here is script in question (that is accepted by keyloads, while, by manual, it shouldn't - or I just get it wrong way):22:02
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Estel_here is sample of how I tried to do it and it is *not* accepted by keyloads (syntax error):22:05
Estel_despite that I did it in line with this manual:22:06
Estel_any ideas, anyone?22:06
Estel_Pali, ?22:06
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