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infobotsomebody said rmo-new was do `echo >>/etc/hosts` on your N900, as root, or
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Estel_sixwheeledbeast,  :)02:01
Estel_would be tasty02:01
sixwheeledbeastyou make me hungry02:01
Estel_I'm just after eating big pizza, to big in fact02:02
* sixwheeledbeast thinks about how suitable nutella could be as a thermal paste solution.02:09
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sixwheeledbeastmmm nutella and chips02:09
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Estel_haha :)02:23
* Estel_ is still preparing device for his son - incredible, how much work vanilla N900 require, to bring it into full glory02:24
robbiethe1stSo configure it, make a backup, and post the backup online for others!02:28
Estel_:) would be good ideap although I'm not sure if thumb2 and devel bits are suitable for other kids02:30
Estel_he just got special grip for that kind of things, and isn't scarred nor disappointed when something segaults with terminal window, and you need to save output for daddy's later review ;)02:31
Estel_as for 4 years old it's absolutely nice02:31
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Estel_question: is starhash enabler package still required, or this functionality was implemented at other level (cssu, for example)02:54
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RST38h...discovered on 11/19/1989, after reports of "talking cabbages" were picked up by Foundation operatives investigating anomalous phenomenon in rural Bulgaria.03:27
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Estel_what the hell scp "ambigious target" means03:50
Estel_why I can't scp folder with -r like normally in linux?!03:50
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Estel_it seems to have problems with escape characters on remote device04:47
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qwazixmorning, DocScrutinizer05 (12h overdue, I know)09:52
DocScrutinizer05why nobody bitching about
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DocScrutinizer05I start to wonder if there's actually somebody out there we do all this hassle for09:54
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thedead1440or maybe because there is a notice on tmo ;)10:06
qwazixMy fear is that there will be nobody after we exit the building10:07
qwazixto take on the work10:07
qwazix(too early in the morning for proper english)10:08
DocScrutinizer05got it10:08
DocScrutinizer05same here10:08
qwazixwhat do we do about elections?10:08
qwazixRob is replying like nothing is going on10:09
aapDocScrutinizer05: I appreciate the hassle10:10
DocScrutinizer05good, so we actually got one user we know we do all this for :-)10:11
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: fair enough10:11
DocScrutinizer05alas it's a hickup on *old*, and so far Nemein isn't rebooting the dead www VM10:11
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, since *new* is okay why did we ask for DNS last minute and not asap?10:12
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: contact MT, go ahead according to everybody's common sense10:12
qwazix(honest question)10:12
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: we need to sync10:13
DocScrutinizer05and we need to sync sync with DNS switch10:13
DocScrutinizer05and actually while *new* is fine, it's not as stable and functional as we'd like it to be - YET?10:14
qwazixIn techstuff@maemo we trust10:15
qwazixstaff even10:15
DocScrutinizer05while that's not a direct good reason to stay with *old*, it's still rather convenient when we can mess around with *new* like we were the only sysops/users in the world10:15
thedead1440In board@maemo we trust even more.... (for opposite reasons).... :p10:15
qwazixbb in ~2010:16
DocScrutinizer05except for sixwheeled nobody noticed we got a systemwide db issue yesterday on *new*10:17
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n900-dk_damn, isn't working ;)10:34
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk_: aaaah! thanks!10:34
* n900-dk_ got some bitching to do to make hard working sysops happy10:35
DocScrutinizer05you know what's *really* funny? guess what's the servie with highest number of hits, most concurrent users and generally most fools trolling it. And guess what's the *only* servie that obviously never goes down on this, just occasionally gets a tiny bit slow...10:37
DocScrutinizer05while silly stuff like www that hardly anybody notices when it's gone, sure THAT is sufering hickups and downtimes10:38
DocScrutinizer05might be related to tmo's nature that makes it incredibly difficult to mirror it10:39
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: tmo is the gateway to everything ;)10:40
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thedead1440even though its slower response time than #maemo, tmo is where all the bitching will happen for exactly that reason but once tmo has a notice most people would feel their avenue to bitch has been cut off10:41
DocScrutinizer05haha, true10:41
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I really wonder wtf is going on on www.m.o10:42
DocScrutinizer05even on *new* we already see constant load10:42
thedead1440hmm that's weird10:43
DocScrutinizer05as if some fools had nothing better to do than to hammer it with wget before it even goes officially productive10:43
thedead1440is the load from
DocScrutinizer05\o/ mashiara back10:48
DocScrutinizer05so www back in 5 min (I hope)10:48
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DocScrutinizer05got an appointment, so afk for a few hours10:51
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DocScrutinizer05www back online11:02
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!11:22
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divVerentYAY, SDK runs... now let's see how hard it is to actually build something11:55
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divVerentI didn't see much info about how to actually USE it yet, but it SEEMS like "scratchbox apt-get update" is the first thing to do, then get dependencies and eventually scratchbox dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?11:56
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divVerenthaha, THAT is evil... I want to build something depending on libfuse, but that's not available for DIABLO_X8612:08
divVerentwhy DIABLO_ btw and not FREMANTLE_?12:10
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DocScrutinizer51maybe because you use obsolete maemo4 SDK?12:12
divVerentit may be indeed maemo4, but it's the only one for which there is a VM image12:13
divVerentbut it has "Maemo 5 links.html" on the desktop12:13
divVerentMaemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z is the download name12:13
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divVerentUGH, NOW I see why encfs is not packaged yet12:18
divVerentit relies on Boost stuff...12:18
divVerentalso, a librlog, which doesn't sound like a problem though12:19
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divVerenthaha, this lib requires texlive :P12:20
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divVerentextras-devel "etiquette" question12:33
divVerentwhen I took a Debian package, entirely unmodified, just recompiled12:34
divVerentdo I then set myself as maintainer in debian/control or not?12:34
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divVerentencfs on /tmp/c type fuse.encfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,default_permissions,user=user)12:50
divVerentALMOST works... only issue: cannot UNmount it...12:50
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jacekowskidivVerent: kill the process handling the fs12:52
divVerentI know12:52
divVerentwant it to be clean though12:52
divVerenti.e. if there is no real reason why fusermount -u can't work, I want it to work12:52
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divVerentit DOES work when /etc/mtab is changed to be a symlink to /proc/self/mounts12:57
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divVerentjacekowski: ok, tracked it down a bit more... the bug is in the fuse packages for Maemo, not in encfs, and I don't have a workaround other than getting rid of /etc/mtab and replacing it by a symlink13:37
divVerentnewer versions of FUSE BTW use /proc/self/mounts as path instead of /etc/mtab, thus no longer have the issue13:38
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divVerentbut WHY reading /etc/mtab fails, which HAS the entry, is beyond me... strace doesn't even show an attempt to read from there13:38
divVerentthe file is just lstat'd and that's it13:38
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divVerentFUSE uses setmntent("/etc/mtab", "r") then getmntent()... which SHOULD normally cause reads I see in strace, but it does not13:39
divVerent(so the libc could be at fault too)13:39
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divVerentEstel_: just reading in man encfs... --ondemand --idle --extpass sounds interesting for Maemo use13:42
divVerenti.e. auto unmount when idle, auto ask passphrase on next use attempt13:42
divVerentknow a usable extpass program on Maemo?13:42
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DocScrutinizer05~lart XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra14:58
* infobot installs a bad bootloader on XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra and turns XEN-grid *old* *.m.o infra into a brick14:58
DocScrutinizer05infobot: you already *did* that, fool!14:58
DocScrutinizer05how "funny" is THAT? *We* announce we need to set old infra into r/o mode or even take it down temporarily, to sync to *new*. 6h before we want to start with it, *old* goes down fubar :-(15:01
thedead1440haha taking your anger out on infobot? :p15:02
thedead1440No reaction from Nemein?15:03
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: they rebooted www 4h ago. Dead again. db dead now too15:05
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thedead1440wiki too is strange; it is bloody slow on all pages except that migration page15:05
DocScrutinizer05migration page been bloody slow for me too15:06
thedead1440and now migration page slow here too15:06
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thedead1440i just logged into it like 2mins ago it was fast now the opposite15:06
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DocScrutinizer05now everything works just fine for me15:16
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DocScrutinizer05db: top - 13:15:01 up 46 days, 19:12,  1 user,  load average: 86.89, 72.87, 59.8315:16
ShadowJKthat's pretty extreme15:22
ShadowJKany clue why?15:22
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DocScrutinizer05lemme copy what I just wrote to nemein16:05
DocScrutinizer05I suspect somebody mirroring which for some pages creates massive db queries like "SELECT midgard_activity.guid, midgard_activity.sitegroup, midgard_activity.metadata_creator..." - this in turn hogs db and thus slow db slows down www and www starts more and more concurrent processes until OOM wrecks up everything incl sshd on www16:05
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: we had loads of >200 on db16:06
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teotwakiA bit like my company.16:24
kerionetflix does too, but they also make outages for themselves16:26
keriothey have a Chaos Monkey that randomly fucks up single servers16:26
kerioand a Chaos Gorilla to randomly simulate the takedown of whole datacenters16:27
kerioapparently, they are prepared for such contingencies16:27
thedead1440you mean they are prepared for their Chaos Monkey and Chaos Gorilla?16:29
kerioor any real outages that happen16:29
keriohopefully :)16:31
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ShadowJKnetflix runs on aws doesn't it..16:37
ShadowJKit'd be better if server was throwing 503s instead of driving itself to unsustainable loadavg :/16:38
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divVerentis there a way to enter scripts to be started in the X session?17:03
divVerentlike, GUI applications to start immediately17:04
divVerentor is upstart and then messing with $DISPLAY, user ID, etc. the only way?17:04
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thedead1440qwazix: that is the best reply anyone could give :)17:19
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keriodivVerent: .desktop files, maybe17:46
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HonooPC"I wonder why is there almost no communication between and XDA-Developers?"17:56
HonooPCSo someone on my contacts list tweeted.17:57
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divVerentEstel_: now trying with .mozilla, .ssh and .modest in EncFS (took the whole directories though)... let's see if there will be any problems18:17
divVerentok, first attempt, with the directories mounted immediately when the prompt appeared: works18:19
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divVerentnow second attempt, with intentionally aborting the password prompt, opening the apps, THEN starting up the file systems again, and opening them again18:19
divVerentemail still sees the accounts? that's bad. After some time, however, email program crashed.18:20
divVerentstill, apparently SOME account data is outside ~/.modest18:20
divVerentMicroB still has its bookmarks... WTF18:21
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divVerentah, ~/.bookmarks also has to go in then18:23
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divVerentis the hard resetting link stuff normal?18:24
divVerentAH, the email accounts are ONLY visible because of PVR files that store the previous content18:26
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: you'll most likely want to mount over some non-empty existing firs like ~/.config etc18:32
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: divVerent: you'll most likely want to mount over some non-empty existing dirs like ~/.config etc18:32
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: I want to avoid mounting over :P18:33
divVerentand instead I want access before authentication to fail18:34
divVerentachieved by Estel_'s idea to have dead symlinks until authentication18:34
DocScrutinizer05you will run into pleathora of trouble doing not18:34
divVerentfor email this did the very right thing18:34
divVerentand I will only use a few dirs for it18:34
divVerentfor email, the only problem is that it complains every sync interval that it crashed18:34
divVerentand that the email program cannot be opened until mounted18:35
DocScrutinizer05processes will not accept stale symlinks as replacement for the real files, when you start up without proper crypt-volume mounted18:35
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divVerentexactly that's the intention18:35
divVerentI want any access to FAIL, the process to exit18:35
divVerent(usually, that is)18:35
DocScrutinizer05it usually will not do that18:35
divVerentusually means?18:35
divVerentI only need it for email18:35
divVerentthe only folders I am putting in are .bookmarks .mozilla .modest .ssh18:36
DocScrutinizer05instead it will create new files, or segfault on failing to do so, or show even more strange behaviour, possibly even bootloops18:36
divVerentno, it will NOT create new files18:36
divVerentthat is the idea of the dead symlink18:36
divVerentbecause these are in the way of typical routines to auto create new directories18:36
divVerentwhat I want to avoid is that programs create a new folder and work in that before mount18:37
divVerentso when I then DO mount, programs continue to use the already opened files from the plain text location18:37
DocScrutinizer05you seen there been TWO ", or..." clauses in my post?18:37
divVerentwhich is why I am trying out how the programs behave18:37
divVerentif they segfault I don't care ;)18:37
divVerentas long as starting them again will properly restore them18:37
DocScrutinizer05it won't18:38
divVerentit depends on the program, of course18:38
DocScrutinizer05all those processes are started by dsme18:38
divVerentthen I may need hacks to restart these once mount18:38
divVerentbut I do NOT want them to e.g. receive email before mount18:38
divVerentemail however DOES behave the right way18:38
divVerentbrowser does "not really", it opens with empty bookmarks and password store (that is the good part)18:39
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly18:39
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divVerentbrowser is one of these I will need to restart18:39
DocScrutinizer05since browserd gets started early in boot, by dsme and restarts like 10 times when segfaulting or killed, then reboots device18:39
divVerentwell, it doesn't make the browser crash, just run with empty bookmarks and data18:40
divVerentemail does the VERY right thing18:40
divVerentin the end it seems to all depend on the program18:40
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DocScrutinizer05I don't argue single "works" cases now, no time for that. Juts telling you there are enough cases where it won't work as suggested by you18:41
divVerentI only want to secure whatever contains passwords or other remote system authorization, which means browser, email, and SSH18:41
divVerentbut there is nothing that always works18:41
divVerente.g. browser also will NOT be fixed by simply mounting over dummy data18:41
divVerentit will STILL need restarting18:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, even communication fails more often than not18:41
divVerentand e.g. I am not encrypting ~/.config, for example18:42
divVerentfor .config it would be indeed QUITE difficult to do right18:42
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DocScrutinizer05btw when modest starts with empty config where no accounts and passwords are stored, it hardly will receive mail before you finished mounting your cryted stuff. So a non-issue18:46
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divVerentyes, but it may still keep FDs open18:47
divVerentbasically, what I want to avoid is a hack-o-matic like here:18:47
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DocScrutinizer05rather with my suggestion you device will startup clean and normal like an ordinary maemo5, with no defunct stuff, just with default virgin stuff. And nobody will suspect anything. And you're free to switch to crypt-privacy mode any time18:47
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divVerentI would LIKE that... except that there is no clean way to tell all the programs to reread their data18:48
divVerentbut as I see, for browser this cannot be avoided anyway18:49
DocScrutinizer05just restart all processes that have file handles open to the virgin dirs of pre-cryptmount time18:49
divVerenthm... nice idea, so using empty dirs, overmounting and fuser :P18:49
divVerentbut, next thing, what if a program read data from there then cached it in memory18:49
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divVerentwhich the bookmarks handling appears to do18:50
DocScrutinizer05it will get killed18:50
DocScrutinizer05just restart all processes that have file handles open to the virgin dirs of pre-cryptmount time18:50
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divVerentok, "killall browser" brings back the bookmarks after mount18:52
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divVerentwonder what browserd keeps open18:52
divVerentah, password store, need to restart that too then18:52
divVerentnow the fun part would be restarting the services properly via upstart :P18:53
divVerentis there a way to find upstart service from process ID?18:53
divVerentIIRC systemd has such a feature18:53
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keriodivVerent: really, your encryption stuff should happen *before* the system boots18:56
divVerentyes, ideally18:57
divVerentthat was my first attempt :P18:57
divVerentthe catch THERE is that I then basically have to encrypt /home whole or not at all18:58
divVerentand I don't want that (/opt...)18:58
divVerentthe only clean way to get keyboard input is from preinit, or even before18:58
divVerentfrom an upstart job, it's already not cleanly possible any more18:58
divVerentso the best way to integrate THAT would be changing the init= parameter to a script that first mounts the encrypted partition, then exec /sbin/preinit18:59
divVerentthe encfs way on the other hand allows being selective in what you encrypt and what not18:59
divVerentbut as encfs has to be run AFTER mount of /home, it basically only really can be run once X is up19:00
divVerent(again, so it can get keyboard input)19:00
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divVerentI also found out that if preinit stage already mounted /home, rcS-late will silently skip it19:01
divVerentso this way would need zero changes in existing scripts19:02
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: one alternate way BTW may be an upstart scriopt that launches X11 before the actual startup...19:17
divVerentand that runs early enough19:17
divVerentare there any chances this would work well?19:17
divVerent(or, that at least somehow stops the blinking dots then abuses text2screen)19:17
divVerent(which however would not solve the keyboard input issue...)19:18
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I think this was the page. Probably needs a fair update.19:51
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ShadowJKhm, power50 oopsed in power management code21:14
ShadowJKoh nm, looks like an old oops21:15
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Estel_hey, what is the state of autobuilder?22:30
Estel_btw, I've tried to find something at wiki last night, it wasn't work, noticed message advertising downtime on tmo, so gave up reporting22:31
Estel_divVerent,  qhy you constantly like to make your life harder?:P22:31
Estel_either do as DocScrutinizer05 suggested with vanilla folders and overmounting, or do like me with dead symlinks (which btw, works for most .config things too).22:32
Estel_all this text2screen before actual upstart is PITA, and may get depreciated with some cssu update or whatsnot22:32
keriodead symlinks is probably even cleaner22:33
* Estel_ nods22:33
keriobecause things will get error messages22:33
kerioand you *really* can't open a dead link, afaik22:33
Estel_thats why I use it, in practice,. But if someone want plausible deniability more, vanilla overmount files are the way to go22:34
Estel_I just want to have my things secure, not hide fact that I'm using truecrypt, so I don't care here22:34
Estel_anyway, vanilla overmounted files require restarting things that use them (for practice, it doesn't matter if via upstart or restart or killall ;) )22:35
Estel_while symlinks just need mounting in timeframe of ~2 minutes since boot finishes22:36
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Estel_or, restart of things like with vanilla overmounted folders22:36
Estel_no much philosophy here, either way22:37
Estel_hi there22:37
sixwheeledbeastEstel_: I was talking to Doc about both subjects last night22:38
sixwheeledbeast(wiki and builder)22:38
Estel_oh, nice. My comment about wiki was just because he was sad nobody reported22:38
Estel_annoucement on tmo was misleading22:39
Estel_so what about builder?22:39
Estel_last time jacekowski was almost done with repairing it22:39
kerioEstel_: even better plausible deniability would be to have a completely vanilla system and then have the whole maemo on a truecrypted usd that can be booted with a modified uboot by holding a certain key combination and inserting a password22:39
Estel_I noticed bug in bnf sudoers (not to mention that new version for Pali's modules was released a month ago), so I'm interested in fixing it in repos ;)22:40
keriobut at that point, it starts to get silly22:40
sixwheeledbeastwiki was broken last night "DB Error" on new w.m.o, old w.m.o timing out22:40
Estel_kerio, yep22:40
Estel_unless you live in iran22:40
Estel_or ~ country22:40
Estel_sixwheeledbeast,  when I tried it it worked, although slowly as global heating22:41
Estel_btw of course no on from nemein replied at all to report about wiki contributions being kinda broken22:41
keriois nemein paid by nokia at this point? do we know?22:42
Estel_no idea, but they were paid to make migration right22:42
sixwheeledbeastbuilder:- seemingly works for dput/scp AFAIK, but I uploaded a package with extras assistant and it's still broken probably due to the python update >6 months ago22:42
Estel_and wiki contribs got screwed during migration22:42
Estel_sixwheeledbeast,  I see, scp seems like enough22:42
Estel_but, what I need scp into?22:43
Estel_old adress won't work, probably?22:43
ShadowJKdoes the contract with them include any other managed hosting other than the work done to migrate it from nokia?22:43
sixwheeledbeastI gave up trying with scp, as did Marxian and MartinK IIRC22:43
Estel_I wonder when CSSU get defucked in repos, as I would like to switch my catalogs to repos from mirrors22:44
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Estel_and not feeling fancy to keep half here and half there :P22:44
Estel_ShadowJK,  I may talk bullshit, but afaik no hosting after migration from them per contract22:44
Estel_but, still, migration was screwed (some databases or parts of it were not migrated, thus no link between contributions and contributors - in wiki)22:45
sixwheeledbeastI am on /etc/hosts tweak at the moment, I guess it's the same for uploading via scp22:45
Estel_i see22:45
Estel_so rest of path remained the same, just ip changed. OK22:45
Estel_will bang autobuilder with scp, later22:45
Estel_of course mail reports doesnt work, yes?22:46
Estel_of course mail reports doesnt work, yes?22:46
Estel_sorry, echo22:46
Estel_I meant are not working22:46
sixwheeledbeastI got nutting and nutting got built AFAIK22:46
Estel_even via scp nuttinella got build?22:48
sixwheeledbeastvia web iface tho, no scp22:48
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: via web iface tho, not scp22:48
sixwheeledbeastI believe a couple of pkgs have been built via scp22:49
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sixwheeledbeastEstel_: bugs.maemo.org22:50
sixwheeledbeast213.128.137.20 downloads.maemo.org22:50
warfareI'm shutting down talk for syncing.22:50
* Estel_ nods22:50
sixwheeledbeastEstel_ no nutella at all :p22:53
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