IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-03-01

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ampharoswhat remote software is the best? qtirreco is brain damaged02:08
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kerioif it's got your remote02:12
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ampharosbut it doesn't (Motorola VIP1200)02:18
ampharosill check again though02:19
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ampharosi think the best it did was turn my tv on and off02:21
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DocScrutinizer05I'm using irreco (*without* qt) and it works quite nice02:32
ampharosis that in extras stable?02:33
infoboti guess #maemo pkg is
DocScrutinizer05umm, has only diablo version02:35
ampharosthere's a for-n900 version it seems02:36
DocScrutinizer05lemme doublecheck02:36
ampharosextras-devel... I'm waiting til I use the thing some more02:36
DocScrutinizer05err, you will wait forever then02:36
DocScrutinizer05lots of good and mature stuff got stuck in extras-devel since promoting is a flawed process02:37
DocScrutinizer05otoh not all in extras-devel is safe for use02:37
DocScrutinizer05and generally extras-devel is not safe for updates. So the suggestion is to enable the catalog in HAM, search whatever packet you want to install, install it, and disable catalog again02:38
ampharosi'll go ghetto02:38
ampharosdebs only02:38
DocScrutinizer05strongly deprecated usually02:38
DocScrutinizer05no dependency resolving for you02:39
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install is the better alternative02:39
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DocScrutinizer05but it also needs extras-devel enabled when you want something from there02:40
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy irreco-for-n90002:41
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 0.8.002:41
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ampharoswhat's locking apt asdf02:46
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ampharoshad to open ham again and then close it again02:47
ampharosok, but...02:47
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DocScrutinizer05no, you don't need to open and close again HAM02:48
DocScrutinizer05it just takes a few minutes to finish a background process apt-worker, when you close it02:48
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DocScrutinizer05eventually the lockfile will get removed and apt works, without you doing anything02:49
ampharosnow if only the db was up for it02:53
Maceratt is a riot02:56
Maceri called up because i'm going to pay the cancellation fee on the contract ($250)02:56
Macerbecause tmobile has a $30/month prepaid plan with 100mins and 5GB + unlimited txting which is perfect02:56
ampharosif only it was in canada!02:57
Macershe said "i can do this.. and drop this down.. and give you free txting for 6 months...."02:57
ampharosi'm going SIMless, it's all terrible up here02:57
Macerand in the end... she saves me $10 net02:57
Maceri would have gone from $104/month without txting02:57
Macerto like 9002:57
Macer(after taxes)02:57
Maceri was like.. uhm.. yeah that only saves me $10... just leave everything alone please and i'll just pay the cancellation fee02:58
Macerwhat makes it so bad is i went from a lumia 900 to an e702:58
Macerso i no longer have an lte phone which is a higher speed phone.. and i still pay the same02:58
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ampharosoh no03:26
ampharosno, no, no - HAM's not listing any catalogues or applications03:26
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DocScrutinizer05a 5 min longer03:32
DocScrutinizer05If you had cpu load applet installed, you'd know ham is stil busy like mad03:33
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ampharosyeah I did03:33
ampharosI'm used to the N800, which is a little more feedback happy03:34
eccerr0ris it worth the cpu cycles to have a load average applet running? :D03:35
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sometimes it's annoying, particularly in HAM03:35
FlameReaperxchat seems to be more crash happy now03:35
eccerr0rweird... I haven't had xchat crash yet...03:35
DocScrutinizer05err, it *never* crashed for me, except for this attack03:35
FlameReaperxchat on this n90003:35
eccerr0rright, xchat on my n900 too... though I'm not using xchat right now03:36
DocScrutinizer05sure, who'd use it on desktop ;-P03:36
FlameReaperthe reason it is my favorite is solely because of DCC03:36
eccerr0rI also run through a bouncer, it might filter crap from the irc server...03:36
robbiethe1stI use Xchat on my desktop...03:36
FlameReaperthere are no other clients available for the N900 that can do it03:36
eccerr0rI use irssi on my desktop...03:37
FlameReaperirssi supports dcc does it?03:37
eccerr0rI've actually never dcc'ed, I don't see why it wouldn't03:37
Skryof course it does03:37
eccerr0rlast time I dcc'ed was probably when I was using BX...03:37
DocScrutinizer05I guess you're missing my config files, which several people considered "really mandatory for xchat, to make it usable"03:38
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infobotfrom memory, jrxchat is
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FlameReaperDocScrutinizer05: usable as in not crashing?03:41
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eccerr0rmy copy came from stable and it doesn't crash... I've only used it for a short while on efnet and freenode directly however, mostly on a bnc to these nets.03:42
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eccerr0rI don't have any hacks to it either, just ran it directly... know anything that could cause it to crash?03:43
ampharossmuxi on desktop, xchat on tab03:43
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Eccphoneseems stable enough... but tmobile nats so i cant directly dcc03:47
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DocScrutinizer05FlameReaper: well, it never crashes for me, no idea why03:57
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DocScrutinizer05and i'm using xchat 24/7 since err 4 years, nah 5, at least03:58
FlameReaperis there a previous build of xchat available?03:58
FlameReaperin the repos?03:58
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't now what for03:59
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache policy xchat04:00
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 2.8.6-maemo1804:00
DocScrutinizer05apps crashing not always is the apps' fault04:02
eccerr0rI'm also using the same version... but once again I don't dcc with it.  I've had BX crash trying to dcc with it before so it's not completely out of the question any irc client could have dcc problems04:02
eccerr0ryep, could be hardware or other software too.04:03
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DocScrutinizer05and DCC is broken by design and never worked for me04:04
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DocScrutinizer05if DCC concept were to work, nobody ever invented SIP and STUN04:04
eccerr0rlast time I definitely had a working dcc was with ircII :D04:05
DocScrutinizer05it's more depending on your network than on your client04:06
FlameReaperin my case, xchat is quite prone to crashing before I can edit... stuff.04:06
eccerr0rit's sad we have to STUN now... then again, running out of IP addresses sucks too.04:07
FlameReaperlike server settings04:07
DocScrutinizer05iternet as of today is not made for DCC04:07
FlameReaperhow different is DCC and... XDCC?04:07
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki xdcc04:22
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=January 2012}} 'XDCC' ('Xabi DCC' or 'eXtended DCC') is a computer file sharing method which uses the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network as a host service. XDCC was initially a script written in 1994 for ircII{{cite book | last = Charalabidis | first = Alex | title = The Book of IRC: The Ultimate Guide to Internet Relay Chat | edition = 1st | date = 1999-12-15 | publisher ...04:22
DocScrutinizer05>>Unlike [DCC] peer-to-peer transfers, XDCC servers are often hosted on [fixed IP, non NATed] connections...<<04:25
DocScrutinizer05>>Many XDCC servers run on security compromised computers<< \o/ \o/04:26
DocScrutinizer05>>...XDCC is commonly employed in distributing illegal content,,,<<04:26
DocScrutinizer05sounds like exactly the ting I ever searched for ;-P04:27
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alec_i can't seem to download anything from the repositories, though04:54
DocScrutinizer05wow, congrats! :-)04:54
alec_i get failure to resolve error04:54
DocScrutinizer05hmm, you first should make sure you got PR1.304:55
alec_so i haven't been able to install backupmenu as you recommended, docscrutinizer05...04:55
DocScrutinizer05and learn to flash you rnew N90004:55
DocScrutinizer05you're already briefed04:55
alec_yeah =)04:56
DocScrutinizer05you flashed it?04:56
DocScrutinizer05never trust the firmware it ships with04:56
alec_i've only had it 1-2 hours04:56
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
DocScrutinizer05actually it's fun04:57
DocScrutinizer05and you should learn to flash early when there's nothing you would lose when flashing04:57
DocScrutinizer05so DO NOT insert a SIM04:57
alec_yes, i remembered you saying that so i deliberately haven't done much04:57
alec_i don't even plan to use it with a SIM =)04:57
alec_maybe if i'm in europe, but here in the US pay-as-you go is outrageous rip-off04:58
DocScrutinizer05read that wiki page *completely* and follow instructions faithfully04:58
DocScrutinizer05I strongly recommend you stick to linux on your PC for that04:59
DocScrutinizer05though allegedly windows also works sometimes ;-P04:59
DocScrutinizer05dang, this must be 2nd spring of N90004:59
DocScrutinizer05seems we have more novice N900 users per month right now than we had during whole 201205:00
DocScrutinizer05at least it feels like05:00
alec_i haven't used windows in 10 years =)05:01
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DocScrutinizer05excellent :-D05:01
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to blacklist cdc_phonet!05:01
DocScrutinizer05it's a common roadblocker nowadays05:02
DocScrutinizer05since every distro ships this useless kernel module now05:02
DocScrutinizer05which makes me ponder about state of linux in general05:03
DocScrutinizer05when 10 years ago you were happy when you could find the right modules SOURCE for your system and hw, nowadays you're happy when you don't get too much cruft with your distro05:04
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder what feels worse05:04
alec_good point05:05
alec_i guess there are some distributions that specialize in being cruft-free (arch, gentoo, lfs), but i would never use them just because i don't have time05:06
DocScrutinizer05meanwhile, host shows it is resolvable. So when your N900 complains, it means you have no proper DNS server from DHCP, or even no internet connection at all05:07
DocScrutinizer05I hope you got a proper WLAN where you live, so updating N900 should be a relatively painless process05:08
DocScrutinizer05any other methods to connect N900 to internet are cimbersume or clumsy05:09
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alec_i can connect and browse the web, and i installed rootsh from whatever repository holds that... hmm...05:09
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FlameReapermy battery ran out of juice05:11
FlameReaperDocScrutinizer05: Second spring for N900?05:13
alec_if you look on ebay you'll see loads of brand new n900s for sale05:16
FlameReaperIf I recall correctly05:18
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DocScrutinizer05charger for only 217EUR05:43
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alec_i can't seem to access
infobotfrom memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
thedead1440alec_: ^^^05:51
alec_thanks, thedead144005:53
alec_so if i downloaded the combined firmware (global release 5) i don't have to worry about flashing the eMMC first?05:59
alec_i just issue sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware> -f -R on the latest .bin file, right? and that's it?06:00
thedead1440you should a full flash since you just got your device06:00
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thedead1440flash emmc without the -R parameter, pluck battery out, flash rootfs without -R parameter then flash emmc again this time with -R parameter06:02
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alec_so, that's three .bin files i need, thedead1440? i'm a bit confused about which images i need06:05
thedead1440flash the emmc using flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin06:06
thedead1440once its done do not start your device but remove the battery and insert it back06:07
thedead1440then pass the command flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin06:07
thedead1440once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot06:07
thedead1440usually i only do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -F emmc.bin -R but that's not recommended from the looks of it so doing the above is the safest way...06:08
thedead1440fuck me the last sentence should have read: "once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot"06:10
thedead1440sorry for the confusion :S06:10
alec_ah, right06:10
alec_btw, i am able to access but getting a hash sum mismatch with apt-get, so it refuses to process the .deb files06:11
thedead1440but the .deb is already downloaded so you can manually do a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/PKG.deb06:12
alec_good point06:12
DocScrutinizer05or you disable hashsum checking in apt06:13
alec_it's going to be a real pain to dpkg -i everything manually06:14
DocScrutinizer05there's an option like allownohashsum or similar, which iirc only takes effect when you also move away the hashsum file06:14
alec_it's not --allow-unauthenticated is it?06:15
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alec_now i get 503 service unavailable on the extras-devel, extras, and extras-testing repos06:36
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alec_did some mucking about in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and seemed to get the right repos06:44
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alec_in german no less07:07
alec_der letze metroid ist in gefangenschaft...07:07
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alec1nothing seems to have a manpage08:05
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alec_is there any way to get gnu find 4.x.x?08:10
alec_ah, nevermind. seems to be a package.08:11
alec_...did i just brick the phone?08:21
alec_i exported the PATH to include a new directory and suddenly none of the binaries wouldn't work08:22
alec_*would work08:22
alec_now the phone won't even boot08:22
* alec_ hides under a desk08:22
alec_ah, there we go08:23
alec_'don't panic'08:23
alec_yeah, it won't boot08:24
cehteh[ ] you have backupmenu installed and a recent backup08:26
alec_i don't08:28
alec_i can reflash it though right?08:28
* eccerr0r tries to get ready to do the surgical procedure called "microusb strengthening"...08:31
thedead1440_alec_: you can almost always reflash so never worry about that08:32
alec_i turn it on, it says nokia, then it turns back off08:32
alec_the command that did this was:08:33
alec_export PATH=$PATH:/some/dirs/08:33
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eccerr0rthats what my phone did when the battery was too weak to boot or got into charging mode...  if you just exported the path without putting it into a .profile or something file, that shouldn't be a problem...08:34
alec_i was root b/c i was too lazy to add myself to the sudoers. next time i'll definitely not do that.08:35
eccerr0rso you actually stuck it in some file?08:35
alec_after i exported the path all of the permissions were totally fucked.08:36
alec_i just issued the command08:36
eccerr0rit should only be temporary08:36
alec_none of the binaries would work after that, so i rebooted08:36
alec_i know, eccerr0r, that's why i rebooted08:36
eccerr0rif you just typed it in the command line... could have control-d'ed out too :D08:36
alec_yes. i exited all of my command line sessions08:36
alec_then i tried to start xterminal again. wouldn't start.08:37
eccerr0rmust've did something else...08:37
alec_i will definitely be careful next time08:37
alec_i have amd64... do i need the exact version of the 32-bit libusb mentioned on the wiki page?08:38
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eccerr0rprobably better if you do, libusb0 vs libusb1 matters a lot...08:39
DocScrutinizer05OT - how to restart a fekkered PA on a systemd machine?08:40
* eccerr0r has yet to reflash... but libusb0 vs libusb1 was a PITA for other USB devices...08:40
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HurrianDocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemd enable?08:41
infobotHurrian meant: DocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemctl enable?08:41
DocScrutinizer05I honestly would *never* deliberately start PA08:42
Hurrianhave you tried systemctl restart pulseaudio.service?08:42
DocScrutinizer05since I had no clue08:42
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HurrianIf that doesn't work, then it's being launched somewhere by some init script, might as well reboot the box.08:43
DocScrutinizer05Failed to issue method call: Unit pulseaudio.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status pulseaudio.service' for details.08:43
* eccerr0r tried to completely get rid of pulseaudio from his linux box...08:43
DocScrutinizer05sure!! didn't manage yet08:43
eccerr0ris there actually a pulseaudio daemon running right now?08:43
DocScrutinizer05this PC is just errr 2 weeks old08:43
HurrianAlright, so it's probably piping the audio using the pulse protocol into the kernel pulse device.08:43
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, why not use OSS for your system audio needs?08:44
DocScrutinizer05I could as well kill that friggin daemon08:44
eccerr0riirc there should be a user PA daemon running that gets restarted upon login to console08:44
eccerr0rnooo dont use oss...08:44
HurrianWhy /not/ use OSS? Except for the lack of application support, it's simple and just works (nowadays).08:44
DocScrutinizer05the fsck I need a running system here, with sound. NO REBOOTS!08:45
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eccerr0rif you want to just listen to 2.0 stereo and hear beeps, then OSS is fine.08:45
DocScrutinizer05and why would i use OSS when there's ALSA08:45
eccerr0rexactly should just use ALSA directly.08:45
eccerr0rPA is a good idea but poorly implemented...08:46
DocScrutinizer05PA is the broken solution for a non-existing problem08:46
eccerr0ri think it really needs more hooks into the kernel... but then might well just put all of it into the kernel.08:46
HurrianDocScrutinizer05, restart your X session.08:46
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HurrianIt's a bitch to work with Pulse if you didn't start it using systemd.08:47
DocScrutinizer05I WONT08:47
PaliDocScrutinizer05, existing problem is how to share sound card via network08:48
PaliPA has it implemented but, BAD08:48
DocScrutinizer05what a friggin non-issue, share soundcard over network08:48
DocScrutinizer05and ALSA can do that as well08:48
DocScrutinizer05probably better than PA08:49
thedead1440_pulseaudio -k ?08:49
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: killall pulseaudio, then configure phonon to output to ALSA08:49
Palican alsa share sound card via network?08:49
DocScrutinizer05and honestly I +never* needed such BS08:49
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Palibtw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language08:49
eccerr0rthe only feature of PA that I like is that individual streams can be volume controlled like in windows, even if the application does not provide support.08:49
Pali+ move stream from one sound card to another08:49
Palithis is why I'm using pulseaudio08:49
eccerr0rthat too, if I had more than one sound card...08:50
eccerr0r(or headset or bluetooth or ...)08:50
PaliI have bluetooth headset and I want to swich between notebook speakers and bluetooth without restarting apps08:50
Paliand without pause08:50
eccerr0ryeah... PA will let you do that.  Again it's a good idea, just poorly implemented.08:51
Palibut if somebody write 1) nice GUI for userspace alsa and 2) above switching support to alsa, I will stop using PA08:51
eccerr0rthe ALSA->PA->ALSA pathway gives me the chills.08:51
Palieccerr0r, also if you are using alsa it is: userspace alsa --> kernel alsa08:51
Paliand if application support pulseaudio it is: pulseaudio --> kernel alsa08:52
Paliotherwise: userspace alsa --> pulse plugin --> pulseaudio --> kernel alsa08:52
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eccerr0ryes the whole problem is if you have a mix of native alsa apps that arent PA aware and try to use with PA, problems galore.08:52
Palibtw, there is also sound server jackd08:53
alec1i can't seem to flash it...08:53
Paliisnt jackd replacement for PA?08:53
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alec_i plug it in while holding the u key, i just get the dim nokia screen08:53
alec_the command-line doesn't register anything new08:54
eccerr0ris your battery dead? :o08:54
alec_nope, fully charged08:54
Paliremove battery, plug usb cable, start flasher, insert battery08:54
eccerr0rthe behavior you're seeing is very remiscient of when I was having charging problems and had a battery that was too low...08:55
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alec_ok, pali, i will try that order08:55
Palimake sure you are *not* using usb hubs and usb3.0 ports, and you have last version of linux flasher08:56
Palialso make sure you are root08:56
alec_i used sudo to issue the command but i can use sudo -i08:56
DocScrutinizer05(<Pali> btw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language) HAHA, yeah better PA with NO config at all08:56
alec_it says 'booting device into flash mode'08:56
alec_then it prints 'suitable device not found'08:57
PaliDocScrutinizer05, no PA has config files08:57
Paliand are better08:57
Palialec_, what are you trying to flash?08:57
PalieMMC or rootfs?08:57
alec_the eMMC08:57
Palialec_, do you have working maemo?08:57
alec_well, i did, pali08:58
Paliis now bootable?08:58
DocScrutinizer05alec_: reflash combined, then vanilla, then combined again08:58
alec_ok, docscrutinizer0508:58
alec_i managed to brick it by being root08:58
infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
Palialec_, for flashing eMMC you need working maemo system and after flashing eMMC you need to flash rootfs too08:59
alec_i see08:59
alec_-f -F <binfile>, right?08:59
Paliso correct order is: combined, emmc, combined08:59
alec_do i need -R?08:59
Palialcec_, make sure you are not boot device between flashes08:59
freemangordonPali: shall I comment on "Wondering if we can integrate these into ..."?08:59
DocScrutinizer05no -r09:00
alec_i will do that, pali. which switches should i use for these three operations?09:00
freemangordonPali: As this is not something technical09:00
PaliDocScrutinizer05, what is preffered way? ^^09:00
Palifreemangordon, what?09:00
DocScrutinizer05the one described in ~flashing09:00
freemangordonPali: sec09:00
Macersomeone send me an n900 mboard09:01
Palifreemangordon, yes comment it09:01
Macerwith a working modem09:01
Macerand a usb port that wont fall off :/09:01
alec_the one described in flashing is flasher-3.5 -f -F <binfile> -R09:01
DocScrutinizer05alec_: please read this page *completely*:09:01
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
alec_i have read it, docscrutinizer0509:02
DocScrutinizer05then you wouldn't ask09:02
DocScrutinizer05reread it09:02
freemangordonPali: Do we want that "merge"? And if yes, who'll implement it?09:02
* alec_ rereads it09:02
freemangordonPali: in theory it is possible09:02
Palifreemangordon, I think that code in omap is different as for n90009:02
DocScrutinizer05particularly the stuff in (!)boxes and and bottom09:02
Palipossible yes, but now it is clean that n900 code is in board-rx51*.c files09:03
freemangordonPali: but not much, the only major difference is how the parameters count is passed. But that can be workarounded09:03
eccerr0rI hope scraping off the resist isn't going to damage the foil integrity (when doing the microusb strengthening)...09:03
freemangordonPali: IIRC :)09:03
DocScrutinizer05alec_: >>09:04
DocScrutinizer05When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!09:04
DocScrutinizer05Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..."09:04
DocScrutinizer05>>l. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<<09:04
alec_so, -R reboots the device09:04
MacerDocScrutinizer05: the page you gave for flashing09:04
Macerhas -R in  its instructions09:05
Palisomebody interesting in implementing Mk II eMMC flashing protocol to 0xFFFF?09:05
Macerjust saying... n900 instructions have -R09:05
Paliwe can fix this stupid flashing :-)09:05
DocScrutinizer05>>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:...<09:05
Paliand has one line arg...09:06
Macerwell... it does have "tip"09:06
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alec_yes, macer, that's why i was confused09:07
HurrianPali, how does NOLO know where to flash certain images?09:07
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alec_thanks for the tips, docscrutinizer05! =)09:07
Macerlol. yeah09:07
Macerthat is something that should be in big bold letters09:07
PaliHurrian, you need tell NOLO image type09:07
Macer4pt bigger than the rest heh09:07
thedead1440_Macer: its a wiki feel free to edit it ;)09:09
Maceri would be scared to do so09:09
Maceri would misspell a word and have people calling me names09:10
freemangordonPali: hmm, correct, those differ a lot, will answer09:10
* alec_ will edit it later09:10
* alec_ breathes a sigh of relief09:10
alec_i flashed the rootfs09:10
alec_on to the emmc...09:10
Paliok, going offline, bye...09:11
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alec_bye pali09:15
alec_i am trying to do the second flash of rootfs, but i just get some messages about device found and device address, raw data transfer EP... nothing actually gets FLASHED... does that mean it's all ok and i can start up the phone? paste here
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DocScrutinizer05how long did it take?09:21
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alec_less than a second09:22
alec_i tried to turn it on, nothing happened09:22
alec_not even a nokia screen09:22
DocScrutinizer05did you blacklist cdc_phonet?09:22
alec_i'm reflashing the emmc and rootfs and emmc again09:22
DocScrutinizer05echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf09:22
alec_i'm on ubuntu so i'm blacklisting with modprobe09:23
alec_modprobe -b cdc_phonet09:23
DocScrutinizer05that's not blacklisting09:23
DocScrutinizer05that's just unloading the module09:23
DocScrutinizer05it gets loaded on next time N900 statts up09:24
DocScrutinizer05starts up*09:24
DocScrutinizer05you need to BLACKLIST the module09:24
DocScrutinizer05you can tell it's not when your modprobe -r cdc_phonet works again without spitting error09:25
alec_all right =)09:25
DocScrutinizer05each time modprobe -r cdc_phonet doesn't spit an error you know there's been something wrong already09:25
DocScrutinizer05btw you can safely keep this shit blacklisted, since nobody really NOBODY ever uses it09:26
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alec_yeah; i'm planning to09:27
DocScrutinizer05for the germans here: it's a "SODA-module" "ist NUR SO da"09:27
alec_ok, so i flashed the emmc ok, but now when i try to flash the rootfs a second time the same thing as in the paste happens09:27
alec_the flasher just quits instantly with those messages when i plug in the phone; no actual flashing takes place09:28
DocScrutinizer05modprobe -r cdc_phonet09:28
alec_already done09:29
DocScrutinizer05well, you said you were able to flash COMBINED/rootfs first time. second time it works exactly same way09:30
alec_yep... =(09:30
DocScrutinizer05remove battery, start flasher, plug in USB, hold U while insterting battery09:30
DocScrutinizer05it's always the same procedure. three times09:31
alec_that did it09:31
alec_thanks =)09:31
DocScrutinizer05exactly as described in troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..."09:31
* alec_ slaps forehead09:32
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DocScrutinizer05>> steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form<<09:34
DocScrutinizer05>>Repeat same procedure (2. - 7.) for each image to flash<<09:34
DocScrutinizer05>>So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems<<09:35
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alec_ok, well, at first it seemed to be turning on, but there's been a blank screen for about 5 minutes09:39
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alec_no sign of activity09:39
alec_there was a green light flash, blacklight, five dots briefly, then nothing09:40
alec_ok, five dots again09:41
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alec_thanks for all of your help, docscrutinizer05! =)09:42
DocScrutinizer05thanks for giving me ideas to improve the instructions09:43
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alec_i think the instruction about not installing the libusb0.1-4 from repositories on debian/ubuntu should be removed09:49
alec_i did it, and it worked fine09:49
alec_why should the instructions recommend installing it from repos on opensuse but not debian/ubuntu?09:49
* alec_ will edit it later perhaps09:50
DocScrutinizer05if it been added it had a reason. If it worked for you, fine. Don't conclude from that that the instruction is incorrect09:51
alec_good point09:52
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alec_would be good to add a note that libusb0.1-4 from ubuntu repos worked though maybe?09:52
thedead1440maybe you can add that it worked on your specific version of Ubuntu09:53
alec_good idea09:53
DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't know who added it, and I would need to check that first09:53
DocScrutinizer05generally this whole instruction is so cluttered with unstructured sidenotes and whatnot that it almost becomes uselsss09:54
DocScrutinizer05the whole shitty page would need a major cleanup09:55
DocScrutinizer05by somebody who knows exactly what (s)he's doing09:55
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thedead1440indeed and the lack of spacing in many wiki articles may put off people from reading it altogether09:55
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DocScrutinizer05I suggest setting up two new wiki pages: "flashing N900 - the foolproof clumsy way. Revised" and "flashing N900 - the smart expert way. Revised"09:58
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DocScrutinizer05and referencing in current page to those two pages. keep them clean and terse, and instead of cluttering them with hints and sidenotes like patching flasher and which libusb to install, just add "troubleshooting and annotations: see $mainpage"10:00
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darodihi guys, I'm trying to install the ssl module for python but I'm not able to do it. Has someone already done it?11:32
darodieasy_install ssl11:32
darodiSearching for ssl11:32
darodilooking for /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h11:32
darodilooking for /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h11:32
darodilooking for /usr/contrib/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h11:32
darodiException: No SSL support found11:32
darodiso i tried:11:33
darodiNokia-N900:~# apt-get install libssl-dev11:33
darodiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:11:33
darodi  libssl-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not installable11:33
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Macerfor some reason every arm ive tried that on does the same thing11:45
Macerthe ssl thing11:45
Macermy synology gives me the same errors and for the life of me i couldnt figure it out11:46
Maceri wound up just building ssl11:46
Macerwhich is no fun on an armv5 with 128MB11:46
Macerthen building against that11:46
Macerand in order to preserve the original stuff11:47
Macerbuild against it static11:47
Macerand avoid the shared libs11:47
Macerat the cost of space11:47
Macerlinux ftw!11:47
DocScrutinizer05fu freenode, why u kick infobot?11:48
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darodimacer :(11:49
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Macersomeone here may have a better solution11:49
Maceri would guess building it with the sdk if you can make that function heh11:50
Macernot sure if the cssu guys went out of their way to make the sdk better11:50
alec_isn't zlib1g-dev in the fremantle/sdk repo?11:50
Macerso is ossl11:51
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Macermaybe you can write the hildon foundation's lawyer and ask them to ask them to fix it :)11:51
alec_i2c-tools can cause hardware damage?11:52
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Macercant i2c change power settings for certain things? :)11:53
alec_no clue, it's required for installing backupmenu11:53
Macerlike make the screen get 20A of power heh11:53
* alec_ installs backupmenu anyway11:53
Macerdont worry about it11:53
Macerso long as you dont experiment11:54
Macerwithout knowing what youre doing11:54
alec_i saw a youtube video of someone redirecting power to the fm transmitter so as to get it working properly11:54
alec_that does seem useful11:54
alec_i tested it on a nearby radio and it was quite staticky11:55
Maceri wouldnt try it myself heh11:55
Maceryah. mine always was too11:55
Macerthere is an fmboost app11:55
Macerthatg bumps the power up a bit11:55
Macerit helps11:55
Macerim sure you can do it manually11:55
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Maceror make it boot that way by default11:55
alec_in the video the guy was using a python script11:56
* alec_ failed to install backupmenu11:56
Macerlol.. wow really?11:56
alec_tar-gnu post-installation bollocks11:56
Macercant say i ever had a problem installing backupmenu11:57
Macerat least maemo has something like that11:57
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alec_i'm going to try with aptitude11:57
Macerwish i had something like that for symbian heh11:57
alec_this version of apt-get seems really bad to me11:57
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alec_i googled some of the errors and they are very common from around 2009-2010 when everyone was using aptitude anyway11:58
alec_it's the package tar-gnu11:59
alec_it's a stupid error, too12:01
alec_optifying /usr/share/doc/tar-gnu -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu12:02
alec_mv: cannot rename. no such file or directory.12:02
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alec_is there a good way to log my xterminal session so i can pastebin it later?12:09
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DocScrutinizer05installation via apt-get is for the experienced and brave-hearted only, i2ctools e.g may fail when not installing it via HAM12:17
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alec_i've never in 10 years of linux use not installed packages from the command line12:31
ampharosi used to use synaptic, but apt-get is way too handy12:32
ampharosespecially after ubuntu releases the software centre12:32
ampharosit's slooooooooooooooooow12:32
Aoyagi_joytopBlame Amazon.12:33
alec_ubuntu + icewm = tasty12:33
jon_yI'll be waiting for MTV and HBO integration :)12:33
kerioalec_: installing via apt-get works12:33
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keriosome packages show a graphical confirmation window though12:34
kerioso pay a bit of attention to that12:34
alec_yes... i'm getting a really dumb error from dpkg12:34
keriowhich error?12:34
keriooh, sorry12:34
ampharosewww icewm12:34
ampharosicewm and openbox are wms for de people12:34
kerioopenbox is the shit12:35
ampharosi always used pekwm (tiling wms seem to suck)12:35
ampharosi've never tried one I like12:35
kerioalec_: well, do those directories exist?12:35
alec_they do exist12:35
alec_there's no way to know why the file's not being unpacked/moved though12:36
alec_i figured i could solve it by doing this:12:36
ampharosand really, gnome 2 is incredibly overrated12:36
alec_knowing how to do that would also lead to some nice hacks =)12:36
ampharos(or --force it)12:37
ampharosgnome 2 was nothing especial12:37
ampharosit was really mediocre12:37
ampharosit was OK, but there were far better DEs out there12:38
alec_i'm not picky12:39
alec_i use the TTY =)12:39
ampharosi use twm on my laptop12:39
ampharosit's actually usable with a good config12:39
ampharosemphasis on good config: default is 1980s12:40
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alec_ok, installed backupmenu from HAM13:02
alec_apparently "optifying" is something that can only be done through HAM13:02
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alec_oh weird13:06
alec_HAM overwrote /etc/sudoers13:06
alec_thanks, HAM...13:06
alec_time to stop playing with this phone and go to bed13:08
alec_good night13:09
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keriois not13:09
keriobut meh13:09
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darodiI've made some progress with my python ssl module installation, but I'm still blocked after compilation:  Has somebody already seen this error?13:11
keriodon't use easy_install, use pip13:14
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logo123Hi, Can anyone help with charging nokia n900?13:18
cehtehi doubt my cable is long enough13:18
darodikerio: worked, thanks a lot13:18
teotwakiI'll get the DA on the line, you go fetch him from central booking.13:18
ampharosplug in musb cable unless port is broke13:20
ampharos(i have a nokia c3 around here - if my N900 ever breaks the C3 will become a battery charger)13:20
teotwakilogo123: did you plug in your charger into your wall socket?13:20
logo123Yes, Phone flashes red when it's charging13:21
logo123I thought it might be a problem with my battery, so I bought 2 more13:21
logo123Same thing on all them13:21
ampharosred or orange?13:21
ampharosif it's orange it is charging (you could be colourblind)13:22
logo123If I take the battery out it flashes orange13:22
logo123Once I put the battery back in it flashes red13:22
jpinxlogo123: my n900 occasionally does that, but seems to fix itself when I reboot/replug-in/remove+replace battery13:24
teotwakilogo123: are you running nitdroid?13:24
jpinxare you using the nokia cable for usb charging ?13:24
logo123nortti, I just bought the phone last week and haven't installed anything yet13:25
logo123Yeah, I use the usb cable13:25
jpinxlogo123: a brand new n900 ?  or second hand ?13:25
logo123Brand new13:25
* jpinx doubts that somehow13:26
kerioflashing red is battery failure13:26
kerioor... idk, some kind of charging failure13:26
logo123What's weirder is I just plugged in my blackberry charger by mistake13:26
logo123And it started charging the n90013:26
jpinxkerio: yes - charging failure at the usb port causes red flashing too13:26
keriowhy "weirder"?13:26
kerioit's a diagnostic tool13:27
kerioyour charger is borked13:27
jpinxlogo123: what are you charging "from"13:27
logo123Usually I use the usb port to charge it from my laptop13:27
logo123But it wasn't working13:27
jpinxdefine "wasn't working " please13:28
logo123Flashing red13:28
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logo123I left it charging for hours and it just kept flashing red13:28
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logo123Never charged at all13:28
* jpinx has had umpteen dodgy usb ports on various laptops cause charging hiccups13:28
* kerio 's laptop happily charges at 1A from a single port13:28
jpinxand some "propriety" mains/usb chargers anre dodgy too13:28
jpinxlogo123: do you have the original mains nokia charger? --  if so - try that13:29
jpinxyou need to debug the problem by eliminating the doginess of the power supply13:30
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m4rku5Hi, I think my N900 bricked; when turning it back on I see the NOKIA logo, then backlight goes down (not completely off) and a minute later the nokia logo disappears (and the device seems to be off again or something) - any ideas?16:24
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mhoyeReplace the battery?16:29
m4rku5the battery was fully charged and yesterday it was still doing a few hours16:32
phr3akDomwhat about reflash?16:32
keriowell, try charging it16:32
m4rku5hmm now I see dots again16:32
m4rku5and it asks for my pin16:32
m4rku5hmm strange after asking me for the usb mode it made a strange sound and went off again; could that really be the battery?16:35
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m4rku5I ordered a new battery16:46
eccerr0rthis charging thing is annoying, my AC10C would only charge at 500mA tops, both my regular CA-101 cables would only do 400mA max or so; my CA-101D would do full current as well as this $1 dollar tree microusb cable...16:46
eccerr0rI'm worried about the dollar tree cable ripping out my microusb port though :(16:47
m4rku5hmm it doesn't want to charge off my USB port, the nokia charger works16:51
m4rku5but it was instantly telling me low battery16:52
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FlameReaperanyone here?17:20
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FlameReaperSomeone suggested to me17:23
FlameReaperprobably as a proof of concept or maybe just another interesting "hack" of the N90017:24
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FlameReaperidea: "Make the N900 act as a Wacom Tablet"17:25
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ampharosthat's cool idea - might be possible with user mode drivers17:26
ampharosyou're better off using VNC though, I don't think the TS does anything more than points17:27
FlameReaperampharos: the idea is to write an app17:28
ampharosthe touchscreen as I said isn't that advanced17:28
ampharosi don't think it does sensitivity17:28
FlameReaperwhich records the input gestures done on the TS17:28
FlameReaperampharos: there's MyPaint on N90017:28
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FlameReapercont'd: and send the input data from the TS to a client PC via the network.17:29
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keriooh, he left17:34
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r00t^homeso, will this affect my warranty?
amospallawhy do you think that?18:36
amospallathat's like changing the battery18:37
r00t^homesadly three of the five solder pads are gone...18:37
r00t^homecan't tell if they got ripped off before, or if i killed them when i resorted to desoldering the connector18:37
r00t^home(previous attempts to carefully resolder the pins did not help)18:38
* eccerr0r cringes... and ups the priority of doing preventative surgery on his n900...18:39
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r00t^homei don't see much an amateur could do in terms of prevendive surgery... after just trying surgery to fix it...18:41
r00t^homerisk of damaging something is pretty high18:42
amospallaI'm afraid of doing that preventive soldery on my n900, and I'm afraid it will some day break18:42
eccerr0ryeah me too but having the port break is the worse of the two for me...18:43
r00t^homeit's not THAT big of a deal really... the port has been broken for months on that phone... i only tore it apart now because it stopped booting and i'd need the usb for re-flashing18:43
r00t^homealso, there are solder pads for usb on the debug port, so next i'll try hooking up those18:43
eccerr0rI *want* the USB to work for charging, was the whole reason why I got the n900.  My Nokia 5230 stopped charging through its 2mm port, and that got annoying :(18:44
eccerr0rI wonder if there's enough space in the 5230 so that I could jury-rig a LDO to charge the battery through the microusb...18:45
eccerr0ryes, I could have bought a new nexus4 but opted for the X11 phone...18:45
r00t^homewhat's broken about the 2mm anyway?18:46
r00t^homethe connector or the charging circuitry?18:46
eccerr0rcharging circuitry18:46
eccerr0rI was playing with trying to make my own fast charger because only the original charger I had charged fast... I think I shorted the input and reverse discharge happened (??) and destroyed the charger circuit somehow18:47
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eccerr0rI still don't understand what happened however.18:47
r00t^homeshorting the input shouldn't have any effect18:48
eccerr0rthat's what I thought.18:48
eccerr0rbut nevertheless it will no longer charge.18:48
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eccerr0rhowever the wisdom of "shorting the input shouldn't have any effect" may be incorrect, there have been cases with certain circuit topologies where it could cause issues.  Whether it should apply to the 5230, I don't know.18:49
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m4rku5so which browser do you guys use?18:53
ShadowJK2mm charging system is kinda special18:54
m4rku5I have microb + opera mini, because well it seems to be the only recent version of a browser for the n90018:55
r00t^homefennec ;)18:55
ShadowJKIt wont accept most "normal" powersupplies as input.. it needs a powersupply that immediately and gradually lowers its output voltage when approaching 900mA.. also initial voltage must be between about 5.4 and 5.8V18:56
r00t^home(if you kill all other applications, enable a swapfile, and cope with the slowness, fennec can be used ;) )18:56
m4rku5lol :D18:56
kerioShadowJK: surely it's not the power supply that does the output voltage drop18:57
ShadowJKyes, it is18:57
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ShadowJKfor 2mm system18:58
ShadowJK2mm is "regulated" by switching it on and off.18:58
ShadowJKSo it pulse charges battery18:58
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ShadowJK... which is probably why batteries got so bad so fast in N8x0..18:59
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eccerr0rtechnically all switching supplies are regulated by switching on and off... :\19:01
keriooh, i see19:02
kerioi thought you were talking about usb and the n90019:02
eccerr0rI'm actually using my 2-year old 5230's battery in the n900 now, it still seems to hold charge...19:02
kerioeccerr0r: calibrate it with a costant draw19:03
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eccerr0rnot to say it's probably weaker from day one, but I'd still say it holds at least 1AH or so...19:04
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kerioew, that's like two thirds of my battery19:05
eccerr0ryes only 75% of a new battery, but what can you say.. it's 2 years old...19:05
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eccerr0rthough I should look into getting more new BL5J's ... but worried about shelf life getting them before I need them...19:07
r00t^homeeccerr0r: it's not like many new ones are going to be manufactured by nokia ;)19:07
r00t^homeso, i hooked up usb on the test-points -> no result... guess we can call that phone dead19:08
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: not really, since my 6210 battery survived 7 years without any noticeable drop in capacity19:12
DocScrutinizer05well, that's 4mm or somesuch, but no different19:13
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DocScrutinizer05I rather think the 2mm supplies for N8x0 did not meet that spec19:16
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jargonare there any other browsers for the n900 except microB and opera?19:19
DocScrutinizer05fennec, firefox19:20
DocScrutinizer05I heard someone prted midori19:20
DocScrutinizer05eccerr0r: technically that's kinda over-simplistic to incorrect ((technically all switching supplies are regulated by switching on and off))19:22
r00t^homebut rather fast and with a choke filtering out the switching frequency19:23
DocScrutinizer05even then you can't call a single transformer cycle "switching on and of the PSU"19:24
DocScrutinizer05yes, some do switch off completely for like 10ms then start again converting at 100+kHz for a variable length of time19:25
DocScrutinizer05others actually reduce frequency to the lower values but usually don't stop conversion ever19:26
DocScrutinizer05others change the amount of power stored in transformer during every cycle so do a PWM on constant frequency19:27
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DocScrutinizer05many switch between several of those modes, to get better efficiency19:27
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DocScrutinizer05and yes, all of them have a buffer capacitor in output that's supposed to change that to proper DC voltage19:29
DocScrutinizer05so the *output* power never is switched19:30
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jargonDocScrutinizer05: firefox? hmm. i need to get my extras-devel repo issues fixed, then. apparently extras have been up for a while but my hildon doesn't agree with that assessment19:45
keriofennec from extras-devel and firefox from ovi are both unusable19:46
keriothe only vaguely usable one is fennec from cssu-thumb, really19:46
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eccerr0rstickler for details...ahh...20:34
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Macerordered my prepaid tmobile sim21:46
Macer$30/month (probably around $40 after taxes)21:46
Macercompared to $104/month att plan21:47
Macerwhich has no txting!21:47
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Maceri only get 100mins but considering i have like 4,000 rollover minutes stored up on top of my monthly minutes21:48
Maceri doubt that's a problem.. hopefully skype works if it comes down to that21:48
eccerr0ryeah i had to throw away a lot of minutes from the switch from at&t to tmobile...21:48
Maceratt was retarded too because i called her asking how much my contract cancellation was21:48
Macer$250.. why?21:49
Macerbecause i want to cancel my bill is too high and i don't even have txting .. even after i went to an lte phone/plan to a 3G one21:49
Macer(since i got my e7)21:49
Maceroh.. we can do this.. this.. and this.... and give you txting for free for 6 months21:49
Macerknow how much she saved me a month with all her awesome magic?21:50
eccerr0ri do have a fairly expensive tmobile plan now though.21:50
Maceri went from 104 .. to 90.. and the only thing she gave me was free txting which they charge $20/month for but costs them like $0.0000001 per month to supply21:50
eccerr0rtechnically should drop the minutes but I tend to abuse the free nights/weekeneds21:50
Macerheh.. like i said.. if i need minutes like that i'll try using skype21:51
Macerbut then again using skype over tmobile's 3G in chicago... i'm sure i'll get crap servceice21:51
eccerr0rmy worst month so far, I haven't even hit 2GB data21:52
eccerr0rpretty sad, first couple of months I had tmo I was able to hit 800M or so per month, recently I've only done 300M or so...21:53
eccerr0rif that much even..21:53
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kerioi keep paying for my data plan and i don't know why21:53
keriobut it's 5€/month for 100mb/day21:54
eccerr0rwish it was that cheap around here...21:54
eccerr0rtechnically the $30 plan is good enough for me probably.21:54
eccerr0ra 3GB 3G plan would be an arm and a leg in the US... :(21:56
eccerr0ri guess we get cheap gas (then again, it's been going up...) and europeans get cheap mobile service... ?!21:57
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* ShadowJK glances at -meeting and ponders the phrase "beggars can't be choosers"23:50
ShadowJKvaguely related... amount of pages of paperwork required to do business with a very big german supermarket: 2023:58
ShadowJKamount of pages of paperwork required to do business with a very big UK supermarket: 160023:58

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