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| ampharos | what remote software is the best? qtirreco is brain damaged | 02:08 |
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| kerio | pierogi | 02:12 |
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| kerio | if it's got your remote | 02:12 |
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| ampharos | but it doesn't (Motorola VIP1200) | 02:18 |
| ampharos | ill check again though | 02:19 |
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| ampharos | i think the best it did was turn my tv on and off | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using irreco (*without* qt) and it works quite nice | 02:32 |
| ampharos | is that in extras stable? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkgs | 02:33 |
| infobot | i guess #maemo pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, has only diablo version | 02:35 |
| ampharos | there's a for-n900 version it seems | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme doublecheck | 02:36 |
| ampharos | extras-devel... I'm waiting til I use the thing some more | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, you will wait forever then | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lots of good and mature stuff got stuck in extras-devel since promoting is a flawed process | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh not all in extras-devel is safe for use | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and generally extras-devel is not safe for updates. So the suggestion is to enable the catalog in HAM, search whatever packet you want to install, install it, and disable catalog again | 02:38 |
| ampharos | i'll go ghetto | 02:38 |
| ampharos | debs only | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strongly deprecated usually | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no dependency resolving for you | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install is the better alternative | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but it also needs extras-devel enabled when you want something from there | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy irreco-for-n900 | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irreco-for-n900: | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 0.8.0 | 02:41 |
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| ampharos | what's locking apt asdf | 02:46 |
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| ampharos | had to open ham again and then close it again | 02:47 |
| ampharos | ok, but... | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't need to open and close again HAM | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes a few minutes to finish a background process apt-worker, when you close it | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually the lockfile will get removed and apt works, without you doing anything | 02:49 |
| ampharos | now if only the db was up for it | 02:53 |
| Macer | LOL | 02:56 |
| Macer | att is a riot | 02:56 |
| Macer | i called up because i'm going to pay the cancellation fee on the contract ($250) | 02:56 |
| Macer | because tmobile has a $30/month prepaid plan with 100mins and 5GB + unlimited txting which is perfect | 02:56 |
| ampharos | if only it was in canada! | 02:57 |
| Macer | she said "i can do this.. and drop this down.. and give you free txting for 6 months...." | 02:57 |
| ampharos | i'm going SIMless, it's all terrible up here | 02:57 |
| Macer | and in the end... she saves me $10 net | 02:57 |
| Macer | LOL | 02:57 |
| Macer | i would have gone from $104/month without txting | 02:57 |
| Macer | to like 90 | 02:57 |
| Macer | (after taxes) | 02:57 |
| Macer | lol | 02:57 |
| Macer | i was like.. uhm.. yeah that only saves me $10... just leave everything alone please and i'll just pay the cancellation fee | 02:58 |
| Macer | hahaha | 02:58 |
| Macer | what makes it so bad is i went from a lumia 900 to an e7 | 02:58 |
| Macer | so i no longer have an lte phone which is a higher speed phone.. and i still pay the same | 02:58 |
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| ampharos | oh no | 03:26 |
| ampharos | no, no, no - HAM's not listing any catalogues or applications | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wait | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a 5 min longer | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If you had cpu load applet installed, you'd know ham is stil busy like mad | 03:33 |
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| ampharos | yeah I did | 03:33 |
| ampharos | I'm used to the N800, which is a little more feedback happy | 03:34 |
| eccerr0r | is it worth the cpu cycles to have a load average applet running? :D | 03:35 |
| FlameReaper | hm | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sometimes it's annoying, particularly in HAM | 03:35 |
| FlameReaper | xchat seems to be more crash happy now | 03:35 |
| eccerr0r | weird... I haven't had xchat crash yet... | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, it *never* crashed for me, except for this attack | 03:35 |
| FlameReaper | xchat on this n900 | 03:35 |
| eccerr0r | right, xchat on my n900 too... though I'm not using xchat right now | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, who'd use it on desktop ;-P | 03:36 |
| FlameReaper | the reason it is my favorite is solely because of DCC | 03:36 |
| eccerr0r | I also run through a bouncer, it might filter crap from the irc server... | 03:36 |
| robbiethe1st | I use Xchat on my desktop... | 03:36 |
| FlameReaper | there are no other clients available for the N900 that can do it | 03:36 |
| eccerr0r | I use irssi on my desktop... | 03:37 |
| FlameReaper | irssi supports dcc does it? | 03:37 |
| eccerr0r | I've actually never dcc'ed, I don't see why it wouldn't | 03:37 |
| Skry | of course it does | 03:37 |
| eccerr0r | last time I dcc'ed was probably when I was using BX... | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you're missing my config files, which several people considered "really mandatory for xchat, to make it usable" | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrxchat | 03:38 |
| infobot | from memory, jrxchat is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ | 03:38 |
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| FlameReaper | ah | 03:39 |
| FlameReaper | DocScrutinizer05: usable as in not crashing? | 03:41 |
| FlameReaper | :P | 03:41 |
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| eccerr0r | my copy came from stable and it doesn't crash... I've only used it for a short while on efnet and freenode directly however, mostly on a bnc to these nets. | 03:42 |
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| eccerr0r | I don't have any hacks to it either, just ran it directly... know anything that could cause it to crash? | 03:43 |
| ampharos | smuxi on desktop, xchat on tab | 03:43 |
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| Eccphone | crashme | 03:45 |
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| Eccphone | seems stable enough... but tmobile nats so i cant directly dcc | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FlameReaper: well, it never crashes for me, no idea why | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and i'm using xchat 24/7 since err 4 years, nah 5, at least | 03:58 |
| FlameReaper | is there a previous build of xchat available? | 03:58 |
| FlameReaper | in the repos? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't now what for | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | know | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy xchat | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xchat: | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 2.8.6-maemo18 | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apps crashing not always is the apps' fault | 04:02 |
| eccerr0r | I'm also using the same version... but once again I don't dcc with it. I've had BX crash trying to dcc with it before so it's not completely out of the question any irc client could have dcc problems | 04:02 |
| eccerr0r | yep, could be hardware or other software too. | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and DCC is broken by design and never worked for me | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if DCC concept were to work, nobody ever invented SIP and STUN | 04:04 |
| eccerr0r | last time I definitely had a working dcc was with ircII :D | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's more depending on your network than on your client | 04:06 |
| FlameReaper | in my case, xchat is quite prone to crashing before I can edit... stuff. | 04:06 |
| eccerr0r | it's sad we have to STUN now... then again, running out of IP addresses sucks too. | 04:07 |
| FlameReaper | like server settings | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iternet as of today is not made for DCC | 04:07 |
| FlameReaper | how different is DCC and... XDCC? | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki xdcc | 04:22 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XDCC (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=January 2012}} 'XDCC' ('Xabi DCC' or 'eXtended DCC') is a computer file sharing method which uses the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network as a host service. XDCC was initially a script written in 1994 for ircII{{cite book | last = Charalabidis | first = Alex | title = The Book of IRC: The Ultimate Guide to Internet Relay Chat | edition = 1st | date = 1999-12-15 | publisher ... | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Unlike [DCC] peer-to-peer transfers, XDCC servers are often hosted on [fixed IP, non NATed] connections...<< | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Many XDCC servers run on security compromised computers<< \o/ \o/ | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>...XDCC is commonly employed in distributing illegal content,,,<< | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like exactly the ting I ever searched for ;-P | 04:27 |
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| * alec1 just got his new n900... | 04:54 | |
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| alec_ | i can't seem to download anything from the repositories, though | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, congrats! :-) | 04:54 |
| alec_ | i get failure to resolve repository.maemo.org error | 04:54 |
| alec_ | ty | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you first should make sure you got PR1.3 | 04:55 |
| alec_ | so i haven't been able to install backupmenu as you recommended, docscrutinizer05... | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and learn to flash you rnew N900 | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're already briefed | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 04:55 |
| alec_ | yeah =) | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you flashed it? | 04:56 |
| alec_ | nope | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never trust the firmware it ships with | 04:56 |
| alec_ | i've only had it 1-2 hours | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 04:56 |
| alec_ | ok | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 04:56 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's fun | 04:57 |
| alec_ | great! | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you should learn to flash early when there's nothing you would lose when flashing | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so DO NOT insert a SIM | 04:57 |
| alec_ | yes, i remembered you saying that so i deliberately haven't done much | 04:57 |
| alec_ | i don't even plan to use it with a SIM =) | 04:57 |
| alec_ | maybe if i'm in europe, but here in the US pay-as-you go is outrageous rip-off | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read that wiki page *completely* and follow instructions faithfully | 04:58 |
| alec_ | ok | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I strongly recommend you stick to linux on your PC for that | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though allegedly windows also works sometimes ;-P | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, this must be 2nd spring of N900 | 04:59 |
| FlameReaper | Why? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems we have more novice N900 users per month right now than we had during whole 2012 | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least it feels like | 05:00 |
| alec_ | i haven't used windows in 10 years =) | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | excellent :-D | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to blacklist cdc_phonet! | 05:01 |
| alec_ | ok | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a common roadblocker nowadays | 05:02 |
| alec_ | ok | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since every distro ships this useless kernel module now | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which makes me ponder about state of linux in general | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when 10 years ago you were happy when you could find the right modules SOURCE for your system and hw, nowadays you're happy when you don't get too much cruft with your distro | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what feels worse | 05:04 |
| alec_ | good point | 05:05 |
| alec_ | i guess there are some distributions that specialize in being cruft-free (arch, gentoo, lfs), but i would never use them just because i don't have time | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile, host repository.maemo.org shows it is resolvable. So when your N900 complains, it means you have no proper DNS server from DHCP, or even no internet connection at all | 05:07 |
| alec_ | ok | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you got a proper WLAN where you live, so updating N900 should be a relatively painless process | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any other methods to connect N900 to internet are cimbersume or clumsy | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cumbersome* | 05:09 |
| alec_ | i can connect and browse the web, and i installed rootsh from whatever repository holds that... hmm... | 05:09 |
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| FlameReaper | ouch | 05:11 |
| FlameReaper | my battery ran out of juice | 05:11 |
| FlameReaper | DocScrutinizer05: Second spring for N900? | 05:13 |
| alec_ | if you look on ebay you'll see loads of brand new n900s for sale | 05:16 |
| FlameReaper | Ah | 05:17 |
| FlameReaper | If I recall correctly | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome: http://www.ebay.de/itm/KFZ-Auto-Netzteil-fur-Nokia-710-800-Lumia-N900-Handy-Ladegerat-/320922011762?pt=DE_Computer_Ladeger%C3%A4te_Datenkabel&hash=item4ab8714872 | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charger for only 217EUR | 05:43 |
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| alec_ | i can't seem to access http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 05:50 |
| thedead1440 | ~skeiron | 05:51 |
| infobot | from memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 05:51 |
| thedead1440 | alec_: ^^^ | 05:51 |
| alec_ | thanks, thedead1440 | 05:53 |
| thedead1440 | np | 05:53 |
| alec_ | so if i downloaded the combined firmware (global release 5) i don't have to worry about flashing the eMMC first? | 05:59 |
| alec_ | i just issue sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware> -f -R on the latest .bin file, right? and that's it? | 06:00 |
| thedead1440 | you should a full flash since you just got your device | 06:00 |
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| alec_ | ok | 06:02 |
| thedead1440 | flash emmc without the -R parameter, pluck battery out, flash rootfs without -R parameter then flash emmc again this time with -R parameter | 06:02 |
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| alec_ | so, that's three .bin files i need, thedead1440? i'm a bit confused about which images i need | 06:05 |
| thedead1440 | nope | 06:06 |
| thedead1440 | emmc: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 06:06 |
| thedead1440 | rootfs: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 06:06 |
| thedead1440 | flash the emmc using flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin | 06:06 |
| thedead1440 | once its done do not start your device but remove the battery and insert it back | 06:07 |
| alec_ | ok | 06:07 |
| thedead1440 | then pass the command flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin | 06:07 |
| alec_ | yes | 06:07 |
| thedead1440 | once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot | 06:07 |
| thedead1440 | usually i only do flasher-3.5 -f -F rootfs.bin -F emmc.bin -R but that's not recommended from the looks of it so doing the above is the safest way... | 06:08 |
| alec_ | ok | 06:09 |
| thedead1440 | fuck me the last sentence should have read: "once its done do flasher-3.5 -f -F emmc.bin -R and your phone once done will reboot" | 06:10 |
| thedead1440 | sorry for the confusion :S | 06:10 |
| alec_ | ah, right | 06:10 |
| alec_ | btw, i am able to access repository.maemo.org but getting a hash sum mismatch with apt-get, so it refuses to process the .deb files | 06:11 |
| thedead1440 | but the .deb is already downloaded so you can manually do a dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/PKG.deb | 06:12 |
| alec_ | good point | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you disable hashsum checking in apt | 06:13 |
| alec_ | yeah | 06:13 |
| alec_ | it's going to be a real pain to dpkg -i everything manually | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's an option like allownohashsum or similar, which iirc only takes effect when you also move away the hashsum file | 06:14 |
| alec_ | it's not --allow-unauthenticated is it? | 06:15 |
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| alec_ | arrgh | 06:36 |
| alec_ | now i get 503 service unavailable on the extras-devel, extras, and extras-testing repos | 06:36 |
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| alec_ | did some mucking about in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and seemed to get the right repos | 06:44 |
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| alec_ | HELL YEAH DRNOKSNES + SUPER METROID | 07:06 |
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| alec_ | =) | 07:06 |
| alec_ | in german no less | 07:07 |
| alec_ | der letze metroid ist in gefangenschaft... | 07:07 |
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| alec1 | nothing seems to have a manpage | 08:05 |
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| alec_ | is there any way to get gnu find 4.x.x? | 08:10 |
| alec_ | ah, nevermind. seems to be a package. | 08:11 |
| alec_ | ...did i just brick the phone? | 08:21 |
| alec_ | i exported the PATH to include a new directory and suddenly none of the binaries wouldn't work | 08:22 |
| alec_ | *would work | 08:22 |
| alec_ | now the phone won't even boot | 08:22 |
| alec_ | ... | 08:22 |
| * alec_ hides under a desk | 08:22 | |
| alec_ | ah, there we go | 08:23 |
| alec_ | 'don't panic' | 08:23 |
| alec_ | hmm | 08:24 |
| alec_ | yeah, it won't boot | 08:24 |
| alec_ | ... | 08:24 |
| cehteh | PANIC! | 08:26 |
| cehteh | [ ] you have backupmenu installed and a recent backup | 08:26 |
| alec_ | i don't | 08:28 |
| alec_ | i can reflash it though right? | 08:28 |
| * eccerr0r tries to get ready to do the surgical procedure called "microusb strengthening"... | 08:31 | |
| thedead1440_ | alec_: you can almost always reflash so never worry about that | 08:32 |
| alec_ | ok | 08:32 |
| alec_ | i turn it on, it says nokia, then it turns back off | 08:32 |
| alec_ | the command that did this was: | 08:33 |
| alec_ | export PATH=$PATH:/some/dirs/ | 08:33 |
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| eccerr0r | thats what my phone did when the battery was too weak to boot or got into charging mode... if you just exported the path without putting it into a .profile or something file, that shouldn't be a problem... | 08:34 |
| alec_ | i was root b/c i was too lazy to add myself to the sudoers. next time i'll definitely not do that. | 08:35 |
| eccerr0r | so you actually stuck it in some file? | 08:35 |
| alec_ | after i exported the path all of the permissions were totally fucked. | 08:36 |
| alec_ | nope | 08:36 |
| alec_ | i just issued the command | 08:36 |
| eccerr0r | it should only be temporary | 08:36 |
| alec_ | none of the binaries would work after that, so i rebooted | 08:36 |
| alec_ | i know, eccerr0r, that's why i rebooted | 08:36 |
| eccerr0r | if you just typed it in the command line... could have control-d'ed out too :D | 08:36 |
| alec_ | yes. i exited all of my command line sessions | 08:36 |
| alec_ | then i tried to start xterminal again. wouldn't start. | 08:37 |
| eccerr0r | must've did something else... | 08:37 |
| alec_ | weird | 08:37 |
| alec_ | i will definitely be careful next time | 08:37 |
| alec_ | i have amd64... do i need the exact version of the 32-bit libusb mentioned on the wiki page? | 08:38 |
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| eccerr0r | probably better if you do, libusb0 vs libusb1 matters a lot... | 08:39 |
| alec_ | ok | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OT - how to restart a fekkered PA on a systemd machine? | 08:40 |
| * eccerr0r has yet to reflash... but libusb0 vs libusb1 was a PITA for other USB devices... | 08:40 | |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemd enable? | 08:41 |
| Hurrian | s/systemd/systemctl/ | 08:41 |
| infobot | Hurrian meant: DocScrutinizer05, are you using GNOME, or did you activate PA manually using systemctl enable? | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDe | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly would *never* deliberately start PA | 08:42 |
| Hurrian | have you tried systemctl restart pulseaudio.service? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I had no clue | 08:42 |
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| Hurrian | If that doesn't work, then it's being launched somewhere by some init script, might as well reboot the box. | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Failed to issue method call: Unit pulseaudio.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status pulseaudio.service' for details. | 08:43 |
| * eccerr0r tried to completely get rid of pulseaudio from his linux box... | 08:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure!! didn't manage yet | 08:43 |
| eccerr0r | is there actually a pulseaudio daemon running right now? | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this PC is just errr 2 weeks old | 08:43 |
| Hurrian | Alright, so it's probably piping the audio using the pulse protocol into the kernel pulse device. | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 08:43 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, why not use OSS for your system audio needs? | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could as well kill that friggin daemon | 08:44 |
| eccerr0r | iirc there should be a user PA daemon running that gets restarted upon login to console | 08:44 |
| eccerr0r | nooo dont use oss... | 08:44 |
| Hurrian | Why /not/ use OSS? Except for the lack of application support, it's simple and just works (nowadays). | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fsck I need a running system here, with sound. NO REBOOTS! | 08:45 |
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| eccerr0r | if you want to just listen to 2.0 stereo and hear beeps, then OSS is fine. | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and why would i use OSS when there's ALSA | 08:45 |
| eccerr0r | exactly should just use ALSA directly. | 08:45 |
| eccerr0r | PA is a good idea but poorly implemented... | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PA is the broken solution for a non-existing problem | 08:46 |
| eccerr0r | i think it really needs more hooks into the kernel... but then might well just put all of it into the kernel. | 08:46 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, restart your X session. | 08:46 |
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| Hurrian | It's a bitch to work with Pulse if you didn't start it using systemd. | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I WONT | 08:47 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, existing problem is how to share sound card via network | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pffff | 08:48 |
| Pali | PA has it implemented but, BAD | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a friggin non-issue, share soundcard over network | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ALSA can do that as well | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably better than PA | 08:49 |
| thedead1440_ | pulseaudio -k ? | 08:49 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: killall pulseaudio, then configure phonon to output to ALSA | 08:49 |
| Pali | can alsa share sound card via network? | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly I +never* needed such BS | 08:49 |
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| Pali | btw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language | 08:49 |
| eccerr0r | the only feature of PA that I like is that individual streams can be volume controlled like in windows, even if the application does not provide support. | 08:49 |
| Pali | + move stream from one sound card to another | 08:49 |
| Pali | this is why I'm using pulseaudio | 08:49 |
| eccerr0r | that too, if I had more than one sound card... | 08:50 |
| eccerr0r | (or headset or bluetooth or ...) | 08:50 |
| Pali | I have bluetooth headset and I want to swich between notebook speakers and bluetooth without restarting apps | 08:50 |
| Pali | and without pause | 08:50 |
| eccerr0r | yeah... PA will let you do that. Again it's a good idea, just poorly implemented. | 08:51 |
| Pali | but if somebody write 1) nice GUI for userspace alsa and 2) above switching support to alsa, I will stop using PA | 08:51 |
| eccerr0r | the ALSA->PA->ALSA pathway gives me the chills. | 08:51 |
| Pali | eccerr0r, also if you are using alsa it is: userspace alsa --> kernel alsa | 08:51 |
| Pali | and if application support pulseaudio it is: pulseaudio --> kernel alsa | 08:52 |
| Pali | otherwise: userspace alsa --> pulse plugin --> pulseaudio --> kernel alsa | 08:52 |
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| eccerr0r | yes the whole problem is if you have a mix of native alsa apps that arent PA aware and try to use with PA, problems galore. | 08:52 |
| Pali | btw, there is also sound server jackd | 08:53 |
| alec1 | i can't seem to flash it... | 08:53 |
| Pali | isnt jackd replacement for PA? | 08:53 |
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| alec_ | i plug it in while holding the u key, i just get the dim nokia screen | 08:53 |
| alec_ | the command-line doesn't register anything new | 08:54 |
| eccerr0r | is your battery dead? :o | 08:54 |
| alec_ | nope, fully charged | 08:54 |
| Pali | remove battery, plug usb cable, start flasher, insert battery | 08:54 |
| eccerr0r | the behavior you're seeing is very remiscient of when I was having charging problems and had a battery that was too low... | 08:55 |
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| alec_ | ok, pali, i will try that order | 08:55 |
| Pali | make sure you are *not* using usb hubs and usb3.0 ports, and you have last version of linux flasher | 08:56 |
| Pali | also make sure you are root | 08:56 |
| alec_ | i used sudo to issue the command but i can use sudo -i | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (<Pali> btw, alsa has one big problem: totally stupid confiugarion language) HAHA, yeah better PA with NO config at all | 08:56 |
| alec_ | it says 'booting device into flash mode' | 08:56 |
| alec_ | then it prints 'suitable device not found' | 08:57 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, no PA has config files | 08:57 |
| Pali | and are better | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fuckit | 08:57 |
| Pali | alec_, what are you trying to flash? | 08:57 |
| Pali | eMMC or rootfs? | 08:57 |
| alec_ | the eMMC | 08:57 |
| Pali | alec_, do you have working maemo? | 08:57 |
| alec_ | well, i did, pali | 08:58 |
| Pali | is now bootable? | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alec_: reflash combined, then vanilla, then combined again | 08:58 |
| alec_ | nope | 08:58 |
| alec_ | ok, docscrutinizer05 | 08:58 |
| alec_ | i managed to brick it by being root | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 08:58 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:58 |
| Pali | alec_, for flashing eMMC you need working maemo system and after flashing eMMC you need to flash rootfs too | 08:59 |
| alec_ | aah | 08:59 |
| alec_ | i see | 08:59 |
| alec_ | -f -F <binfile>, right? | 08:59 |
| Pali | so correct order is: combined, emmc, combined | 08:59 |
| alec_ | ok | 08:59 |
| alec_ | do i need -R? | 08:59 |
| Pali | alcec_, make sure you are not boot device between flashes | 08:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: shall I comment on "Wondering if we can integrate these into ..."? | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no -r | 09:00 |
| alec_ | i will do that, pali. which switches should i use for these three operations? | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ever | 09:00 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: As this is not something technical | 09:00 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what is preffered way? ^^ | 09:00 |
| Pali | freemangordon, what? | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the one described in ~flashing | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: sec | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg227234.html | 09:01 |
| Macer | someone send me an n900 mboard | 09:01 |
| Pali | freemangordon, yes comment it | 09:01 |
| Macer | with a working modem | 09:01 |
| Macer | heh | 09:01 |
| Macer | and a usb port that wont fall off :/ | 09:01 |
| alec_ | the one described in flashing is flasher-3.5 -f -F <binfile> -R | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alec_: please read this page *completely*: | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 09:01 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 09:01 |
| alec_ | i have read it, docscrutinizer05 | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you wouldn't ask | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reread it | 09:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: Do we want that "merge"? And if yes, who'll implement it? | 09:02 |
| * alec_ rereads it | 09:02 | |
| freemangordon | Pali: in theory it is possible | 09:02 |
| Pali | freemangordon, I think that code in omap is different as for n900 | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly the stuff in (!)boxes and and bottom | 09:02 |
| Pali | possible yes, but now it is clean that n900 code is in board-rx51*.c files | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali: but not much, the only major difference is how the parameters count is passed. But that can be workarounded | 09:03 |
| eccerr0r | I hope scraping off the resist isn't going to damage the foil integrity (when doing the microusb strengthening)... | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali: IIRC :) | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alec_: >> | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | << | 09:04 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>l. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<< | 09:04 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:04 |
| alec_ | so, -R reboots the device | 09:04 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: the page you gave for flashing | 09:04 |
| Macer | has -R in its instructions | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting | 09:05 |
| Pali | somebody interesting in implementing Mk II eMMC flashing protocol to 0xFFFF? | 09:05 |
| Macer | just saying... n900 instructions have -R | 09:05 |
| Pali | we can fix this stupid flashing :-) | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>If you cannot establish a connection with N900, or got any other problems during starting or completing the flashing process, do the following steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form:...< | 09:05 |
| Pali | and has one line arg... | 09:06 |
| Macer | well... it does have "tip" | 09:06 |
| Macer | lol | 09:06 |
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| alec_ | yes, macer, that's why i was confused | 09:07 |
| Hurrian | Pali, how does NOLO know where to flash certain images? | 09:07 |
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| alec_ | thanks for the tips, docscrutinizer05! =) | 09:07 |
| Macer | lol. yeah | 09:07 |
| Macer | that is something that should be in big bold letters | 09:07 |
| Pali | Hurrian, you need tell NOLO image type | 09:07 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 09:07 |
| Macer | 4pt bigger than the rest heh | 09:07 |
| thedead1440_ | Macer: its a wiki feel free to edit it ;) | 09:09 |
| Macer | lol | 09:09 |
| Macer | i would be scared to do so | 09:09 |
| Macer | i would misspell a word and have people calling me names | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, correct, those differ a lot, will answer | 09:10 |
| * alec_ will edit it later | 09:10 | |
| * alec_ breathes a sigh of relief | 09:10 | |
| alec_ | i flashed the rootfs | 09:10 |
| alec_ | on to the emmc... | 09:10 |
| Pali | ok, going offline, bye... | 09:11 |
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| alec_ | bye pali | 09:15 |
| alec_ | i am trying to do the second flash of rootfs, but i just get some messages about device found and device address, raw data transfer EP... nothing actually gets FLASHED... does that mean it's all ok and i can start up the phone? paste here https://gist.github.com/5063003 | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how long did it take? | 09:21 |
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| alec_ | less than a second | 09:22 |
| alec_ | i tried to turn it on, nothing happened | 09:22 |
| alec_ | not even a nokia screen | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you blacklist cdc_phonet? | 09:22 |
| alec_ | i'm reflashing the emmc and rootfs and emmc again | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo "blacklist cdc_phonet" >/etc/modprobe.d/00-blacklist-cdcphonet.conf | 09:22 |
| alec_ | yep | 09:23 |
| alec_ | i'm on ubuntu so i'm blacklisting with modprobe | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 09:23 |
| alec_ | modprobe -b cdc_phonet | 09:23 |
| alec_ | no? | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not blacklisting | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's just unloading the module | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it gets loaded on next time N900 statts up | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | starts up* | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to BLACKLIST the module | 09:24 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can tell it's not when your modprobe -r cdc_phonet works again without spitting error | 09:25 |
| alec_ | all right =) | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | each time modprobe -r cdc_phonet doesn't spit an error you know there's been something wrong already | 09:25 |
| alec_ | yeah | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you can safely keep this shit blacklisted, since nobody really NOBODY ever uses it | 09:26 |
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| alec_ | yeah; i'm planning to | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the germans here: it's a "SODA-module" "ist NUR SO da" | 09:27 |
| alec_ | ok, so i flashed the emmc ok, but now when i try to flash the rootfs a second time the same thing as in the paste happens | 09:27 |
| alec_ | the flasher just quits instantly with those messages when i plug in the phone; no actual flashing takes place | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe -r cdc_phonet | 09:28 |
| alec_ | already done | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you said you were able to flash COMBINED/rootfs first time. second time it works exactly same way | 09:30 |
| alec_ | yep... =( | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove battery, start flasher, plug in USB, hold U while insterting battery | 09:30 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's always the same procedure. three times | 09:31 |
| alec_ | that did it | 09:31 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:31 |
| alec_ | thanks =) | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly as described in troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..." | 09:31 |
| * alec_ slaps forehead | 09:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >> steps which describe the complete foolproof flashing procedure again in terse form<< | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Repeat same procedure (2. - 7.) for each image to flash<< | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems<< | 09:35 |
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| alec_ | ok, well, at first it seemed to be turning on, but there's been a blank screen for about 5 minutes | 09:39 |
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| alec_ | no sign of activity | 09:39 |
| alec_ | there was a green light flash, blacklight, five dots briefly, then nothing | 09:40 |
| alec_ | ok, five dots again | 09:41 |
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| alec_ | ahh | 09:42 |
| alec_ | booted | 09:42 |
| alec_ | thanks for all of your help, docscrutinizer05! =) | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for giving me ideas to improve the instructions | 09:43 |
| alec_ | ok | 09:44 |
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| alec_ | i think the instruction about not installing the libusb0.1-4 from repositories on debian/ubuntu should be removed | 09:49 |
| alec_ | i did it, and it worked fine | 09:49 |
| alec_ | why should the instructions recommend installing it from repos on opensuse but not debian/ubuntu? | 09:49 |
| * alec_ will edit it later perhaps | 09:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it been added it had a reason. If it worked for you, fine. Don't conclude from that that the instruction is incorrect | 09:51 |
| alec_ | good point | 09:52 |
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| alec_ | would be good to add a note that libusb0.1-4 from ubuntu repos worked though maybe? | 09:52 |
| thedead1440 | maybe you can add that it worked on your specific version of Ubuntu | 09:53 |
| alec_ | good idea | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't know who added it, and I would need to check that first | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally this whole instruction is so cluttered with unstructured sidenotes and whatnot that it almost becomes uselsss | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole shitty page would need a major cleanup | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by somebody who knows exactly what (s)he's doing | 09:55 |
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| thedead1440 | indeed and the lack of spacing in many wiki articles may put off people from reading it altogether | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest setting up two new wiki pages: "flashing N900 - the foolproof clumsy way. Revised" and "flashing N900 - the smart expert way. Revised" | 09:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and referencing in current page to those two pages. keep them clean and terse, and instead of cluttering them with hints and sidenotes like patching flasher and which libusb to install, just add "troubleshooting and annotations: see $mainpage" | 10:00 |
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| darodi | hi guys, I'm trying to install the ssl module for python but I'm not able to do it. Has someone already done it? | 11:32 |
| darodi | easy_install ssl | 11:32 |
| darodi | Searching for ssl | 11:32 |
| darodi | looking for /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h | 11:32 |
| darodi | looking for /usr/local/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h | 11:32 |
| darodi | looking for /usr/contrib/ssl/include/openssl/ssl.h | 11:32 |
| darodi | Exception: No SSL support found | 11:32 |
| darodi | so i tried: | 11:33 |
| darodi | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install libssl-dev | 11:33 |
| darodi | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 11:33 |
| darodi | libssl-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not installable | 11:33 |
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| Macer | for some reason every arm ive tried that on does the same thing | 11:45 |
| Macer | the ssl thing | 11:45 |
| Macer | my synology gives me the same errors and for the life of me i couldnt figure it out | 11:46 |
| Macer | i wound up just building ssl | 11:46 |
| Macer | which is no fun on an armv5 with 128MB | 11:46 |
| Macer | then building against that | 11:46 |
| Macer | and in order to preserve the original stuff | 11:47 |
| Macer | build against it static | 11:47 |
| Macer | and avoid the shared libs | 11:47 |
| Macer | at the cost of space | 11:47 |
| Macer | linux ftw! | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fu freenode, why u kick infobot? | 11:48 |
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| darodi | macer :( | 11:49 |
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| Macer | someone here may have a better solution | 11:49 |
| Macer | i would guess building it with the sdk if you can make that function heh | 11:50 |
| Macer | not sure if the cssu guys went out of their way to make the sdk better | 11:50 |
| alec_ | isn't zlib1g-dev in the fremantle/sdk repo? | 11:50 |
| Macer | so is ossl | 11:51 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:51 |
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| Macer | maybe you can write the hildon foundation's lawyer and ask them to ask them to fix it :) | 11:51 |
| alec_ | i2c-tools can cause hardware damage? | 11:52 |
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| Macer | cant i2c change power settings for certain things? :) | 11:53 |
| alec_ | aah | 11:53 |
| alec_ | no clue, it's required for installing backupmenu | 11:53 |
| alec_ | ... | 11:53 |
| Macer | like make the screen get 20A of power heh | 11:53 |
| * alec_ installs backupmenu anyway | 11:53 | |
| alec_ | ahh | 11:53 |
| alec_ | yeah | 11:53 |
| Macer | dont worry about it | 11:53 |
| alec_ | ok | 11:53 |
| alec_ | thanks | 11:53 |
| Macer | so long as you dont experiment | 11:54 |
| Macer | without knowing what youre doing | 11:54 |
| alec_ | yeah | 11:54 |
| alec_ | i saw a youtube video of someone redirecting power to the fm transmitter so as to get it working properly | 11:54 |
| alec_ | that does seem useful | 11:54 |
| alec_ | i tested it on a nearby radio and it was quite staticky | 11:55 |
| Macer | i wouldnt try it myself heh | 11:55 |
| Macer | yah. mine always was too | 11:55 |
| Macer | there is an fmboost app | 11:55 |
| Macer | thatg bumps the power up a bit | 11:55 |
| Macer | it helps | 11:55 |
| Macer | im sure you can do it manually | 11:55 |
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| Macer | or make it boot that way by default | 11:55 |
| alec_ | yeah | 11:55 |
| alec_ | in the video the guy was using a python script | 11:56 |
| * alec_ failed to install backupmenu | 11:56 | |
| Macer | lol.. wow really? | 11:56 |
| alec_ | tar-gnu post-installation bollocks | 11:56 |
| Macer | cant say i ever had a problem installing backupmenu | 11:57 |
| Macer | at least maemo has something like that | 11:57 |
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| alec_ | hmm | 11:57 |
| alec_ | i'm going to try with aptitude | 11:57 |
| Macer | wish i had something like that for symbian heh | 11:57 |
| alec_ | this version of apt-get seems really bad to me | 11:57 |
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| alec_ | i googled some of the errors and they are very common from around 2009-2010 when everyone was using aptitude anyway | 11:58 |
| alec_ | nope | 11:59 |
| alec_ | it's the package tar-gnu | 11:59 |
| alec_ | it's a stupid error, too | 12:01 |
| alec_ | optifying /usr/share/doc/tar-gnu -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/tar-gnu | 12:02 |
| alec_ | mv: cannot rename. no such file or directory. | 12:02 |
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| alec_ | is there a good way to log my xterminal session so i can pastebin it later? | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | installation via apt-get is for the experienced and brave-hearted only, i2ctools e.g may fail when not installing it via HAM | 12:17 |
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| alec_ | i've never in 10 years of linux use not installed packages from the command line | 12:31 |
| ampharos | i used to use synaptic, but apt-get is way too handy | 12:32 |
| ampharos | especially after ubuntu releases the software centre | 12:32 |
| ampharos | it's slooooooooooooooooow | 12:32 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Blame Amazon. | 12:33 |
| alec_ | ubuntu + icewm = tasty | 12:33 |
| jon_y | I'll be waiting for MTV and HBO integration :) | 12:33 |
| kerio | alec_: installing via apt-get works | 12:33 |
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| kerio | some packages show a graphical confirmation window though | 12:34 |
| kerio | so pay a bit of attention to that | 12:34 |
| alec_ | yes... i'm getting a really dumb error from dpkg | 12:34 |
| kerio | which error? | 12:34 |
| kerio | oh, sorry | 12:34 |
| ampharos | ewww icewm | 12:34 |
| ampharos | icewm and openbox are wms for de people | 12:34 |
| kerio | openbox is the shit | 12:35 |
| ampharos | i always used pekwm (tiling wms seem to suck) | 12:35 |
| ampharos | i've never tried one I like | 12:35 |
| kerio | alec_: well, do those directories exist? | 12:35 |
| alec_ | they do exist | 12:35 |
| alec_ | there's no way to know why the file's not being unpacked/moved though | 12:36 |
| alec_ | i figured i could solve it by doing this: | 12:36 |
| alec_ | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/66533/install-a-deb-completely-by-hand | 12:36 |
| ampharos | and really, gnome 2 is incredibly overrated | 12:36 |
| alec_ | knowing how to do that would also lead to some nice hacks =) | 12:36 |
| ampharos | (or --force it) | 12:37 |
| ampharos | gnome 2 was nothing especial | 12:37 |
| ampharos | it was really mediocre | 12:37 |
| ampharos | it was OK, but there were far better DEs out there | 12:38 |
| alec_ | i'm not picky | 12:39 |
| alec_ | i use the TTY =) | 12:39 |
| ampharos | i use twm on my laptop | 12:39 |
| ampharos | it's actually usable with a good config | 12:39 |
| ampharos | emphasis on good config: default is 1980s | 12:40 |
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| alec_ | ok, installed backupmenu from HAM | 13:02 |
| alec_ | apparently "optifying" is something that can only be done through HAM | 13:02 |
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| alec_ | oh weird | 13:06 |
| alec_ | HAM overwrote /etc/sudoers | 13:06 |
| alec_ | thanks, HAM... | 13:06 |
| alec_ | time to stop playing with this phone and go to bed | 13:08 |
| alec_ | good night | 13:09 |
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| kerio | is not | 13:09 |
| kerio | but meh | 13:09 |
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| darodi | I've made some progress with my python ssl module installation, but I'm still blocked after compilation: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eN2eKzuV Has somebody already seen this error? | 13:11 |
| kerio | don't use easy_install, use pip | 13:14 |
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| logo123 | Hi, Can anyone help with charging nokia n900? | 13:18 |
| cehteh | i doubt my cable is long enough | 13:18 |
| darodi | kerio: worked, thanks a lot | 13:18 |
| teotwaki | I'll get the DA on the line, you go fetch him from central booking. | 13:18 |
| ampharos | plug in musb cable unless port is broke | 13:20 |
| ampharos | (i have a nokia c3 around here - if my N900 ever breaks the C3 will become a battery charger) | 13:20 |
| teotwaki | logo123: did you plug in your charger into your wall socket? | 13:20 |
| Macer | lol | 13:20 |
| logo123 | Yes, Phone flashes red when it's charging | 13:21 |
| teotwaki | red? | 13:21 |
| logo123 | I thought it might be a problem with my battery, so I bought 2 more | 13:21 |
| logo123 | Same thing on all them | 13:21 |
| logo123 | Yeah | 13:21 |
| ampharos | red or orange? | 13:21 |
| logo123 | red | 13:21 |
| ampharos | if it's orange it is charging (you could be colourblind) | 13:22 |
| logo123 | If I take the battery out it flashes orange | 13:22 |
| logo123 | Once I put the battery back in it flashes red | 13:22 |
| jpinx | logo123: my n900 occasionally does that, but seems to fix itself when I reboot/replug-in/remove+replace battery | 13:24 |
| teotwaki | logo123: are you running nitdroid? | 13:24 |
| jpinx | are you using the nokia cable for usb charging ? | 13:24 |
| logo123 | nortti, I just bought the phone last week and haven't installed anything yet | 13:25 |
| logo123 | Yeah, I use the usb cable | 13:25 |
| jpinx | logo123: a brand new n900 ? or second hand ? | 13:25 |
| logo123 | Brand new | 13:25 |
| kerio | :O | 13:26 |
| * jpinx doubts that somehow | 13:26 | |
| kerio | flashing red is battery failure | 13:26 |
| kerio | or... idk, some kind of charging failure | 13:26 |
| logo123 | What's weirder is I just plugged in my blackberry charger by mistake | 13:26 |
| logo123 | And it started charging the n900 | 13:26 |
| jpinx | kerio: yes - charging failure at the usb port causes red flashing too | 13:26 |
| kerio | why "weirder"? | 13:26 |
| kerio | it's a diagnostic tool | 13:27 |
| kerio | your charger is borked | 13:27 |
| jpinx | logo123: what are you charging "from" | 13:27 |
| logo123 | Usually I use the usb port to charge it from my laptop | 13:27 |
| logo123 | But it wasn't working | 13:27 |
| kerio | http://gaaarp.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/swedish-chef.jpg | 13:27 |
| jpinx | define "wasn't working " please | 13:28 |
| logo123 | Flashing red | 13:28 |
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| logo123 | I left it charging for hours and it just kept flashing red | 13:28 |
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| logo123 | Never charged at all | 13:28 |
| * jpinx has had umpteen dodgy usb ports on various laptops cause charging hiccups | 13:28 | |
| * kerio 's laptop happily charges at 1A from a single port | 13:28 | |
| jpinx | and some "propriety" mains/usb chargers anre dodgy too | 13:28 |
| jpinx | logo123: do you have the original mains nokia charger? -- if so - try that | 13:29 |
| jpinx | you need to debug the problem by eliminating the doginess of the power supply | 13:30 |
| jpinx | ...dodgyness | 13:30 |
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| m4rku5 | Hi, I think my N900 bricked; when turning it back on I see the NOKIA logo, then backlight goes down (not completely off) and a minute later the nokia logo disappears (and the device seems to be off again or something) - any ideas? | 16:24 |
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| mhoye | Replace the battery? | 16:29 |
| m4rku5 | the battery was fully charged and yesterday it was still doing a few hours | 16:32 |
| phr3akDom | what about reflash? | 16:32 |
| kerio | well, try charging it | 16:32 |
| m4rku5 | hmm now I see dots again | 16:32 |
| m4rku5 | wtf | 16:32 |
| m4rku5 | and it asks for my pin | 16:32 |
| m4rku5 | hmm strange after asking me for the usb mode it made a strange sound and went off again; could that really be the battery? | 16:35 |
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| kerio | yep | 16:39 |
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| m4rku5 | I ordered a new battery | 16:46 |
| eccerr0r | this charging thing is annoying, my AC10C would only charge at 500mA tops, both my regular CA-101 cables would only do 400mA max or so; my CA-101D would do full current as well as this $1 dollar tree microusb cable... | 16:46 |
| eccerr0r | I'm worried about the dollar tree cable ripping out my microusb port though :( | 16:47 |
| m4rku5 | hmm it doesn't want to charge off my USB port, the nokia charger works | 16:51 |
| m4rku5 | but it was instantly telling me low battery | 16:52 |
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| FlameReaper | anyone here? | 17:20 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Sometimes. | 17:21 |
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| FlameReaper | Someone suggested to me | 17:23 |
| FlameReaper | probably as a proof of concept or maybe just another interesting "hack" of the N900 | 17:24 |
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| FlameReaper | idea: "Make the N900 act as a Wacom Tablet" | 17:25 |
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| ampharos | that's cool idea - might be possible with user mode drivers | 17:26 |
| ampharos | you're better off using VNC though, I don't think the TS does anything more than points | 17:27 |
| FlameReaper | ampharos: the idea is to write an app | 17:28 |
| ampharos | the touchscreen as I said isn't that advanced | 17:28 |
| ampharos | i don't think it does sensitivity | 17:28 |
| FlameReaper | which records the input gestures done on the TS | 17:28 |
| FlameReaper | ampharos: there's MyPaint on N900 | 17:28 |
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| FlameReaper | cont'd: and send the input data from the TS to a client PC via the network. | 17:29 |
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| kerio | oh, he left | 17:34 |
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| r00t^home | so, will this affect my warranty? http://www.constancy.org/~r00t/n900_usb_gone.jpg | 18:35 |
| amospalla | why do you think that? | 18:36 |
| amospalla | that's like changing the battery | 18:37 |
| r00t^home | sadly three of the five solder pads are gone... | 18:37 |
| r00t^home | can't tell if they got ripped off before, or if i killed them when i resorted to desoldering the connector | 18:37 |
| r00t^home | (previous attempts to carefully resolder the pins did not help) | 18:38 |
| * eccerr0r cringes... and ups the priority of doing preventative surgery on his n900... | 18:39 | |
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| amospalla | :'( | 18:41 |
| r00t^home | i don't see much an amateur could do in terms of prevendive surgery... after just trying surgery to fix it... | 18:41 |
| r00t^home | risk of damaging something is pretty high | 18:42 |
| amospalla | I'm afraid of doing that preventive soldery on my n900, and I'm afraid it will some day break | 18:42 |
| eccerr0r | yeah me too but having the port break is the worse of the two for me... | 18:43 |
| r00t^home | it's not THAT big of a deal really... the port has been broken for months on that phone... i only tore it apart now because it stopped booting and i'd need the usb for re-flashing | 18:43 |
| r00t^home | also, there are solder pads for usb on the debug port, so next i'll try hooking up those | 18:43 |
| eccerr0r | I *want* the USB to work for charging, was the whole reason why I got the n900. My Nokia 5230 stopped charging through its 2mm port, and that got annoying :( | 18:44 |
| r00t^home | luxury! | 18:45 |
| eccerr0r | I wonder if there's enough space in the 5230 so that I could jury-rig a LDO to charge the battery through the microusb... | 18:45 |
| eccerr0r | yes, I could have bought a new nexus4 but opted for the X11 phone... | 18:45 |
| r00t^home | what's broken about the 2mm anyway? | 18:46 |
| r00t^home | the connector or the charging circuitry? | 18:46 |
| eccerr0r | charging circuitry | 18:46 |
| r00t^home | ah | 18:47 |
| r00t^home | sucks | 18:47 |
| eccerr0r | I was playing with trying to make my own fast charger because only the original charger I had charged fast... I think I shorted the input and reverse discharge happened (??) and destroyed the charger circuit somehow | 18:47 |
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| eccerr0r | I still don't understand what happened however. | 18:47 |
| r00t^home | shorting the input shouldn't have any effect | 18:48 |
| eccerr0r | that's what I thought. | 18:48 |
| eccerr0r | but nevertheless it will no longer charge. | 18:48 |
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| eccerr0r | however the wisdom of "shorting the input shouldn't have any effect" may be incorrect, there have been cases with certain circuit topologies where it could cause issues. Whether it should apply to the 5230, I don't know. | 18:49 |
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| m4rku5 | so which browser do you guys use? | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | 2mm charging system is kinda special | 18:54 |
| r00t^home | microb | 18:54 |
| m4rku5 | I have microb + opera mini, because well it seems to be the only recent version of a browser for the n900 | 18:55 |
| r00t^home | fennec ;) | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | It wont accept most "normal" powersupplies as input.. it needs a powersupply that immediately and gradually lowers its output voltage when approaching 900mA.. also initial voltage must be between about 5.4 and 5.8V | 18:56 |
| r00t^home | (if you kill all other applications, enable a swapfile, and cope with the slowness, fennec can be used ;) ) | 18:56 |
| m4rku5 | lol :D | 18:56 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: surely it's not the power supply that does the output voltage drop | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | yes, it is | 18:57 |
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| ShadowJK | for 2mm system | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | 2mm is "regulated" by switching it on and off. | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | So it pulse charges battery | 18:58 |
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| ShadowJK | ... which is probably why batteries got so bad so fast in N8x0.. | 18:59 |
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| eccerr0r | technically all switching supplies are regulated by switching on and off... :\ | 19:01 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 19:02 |
| kerio | i thought you were talking about usb and the n900 | 19:02 |
| eccerr0r | I'm actually using my 2-year old 5230's battery in the n900 now, it still seems to hold charge... | 19:02 |
| kerio | eccerr0r: calibrate it with a costant draw | 19:03 |
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| eccerr0r | not to say it's probably weaker from day one, but I'd still say it holds at least 1AH or so... | 19:04 |
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| kerio | ew, that's like two thirds of my battery | 19:05 |
| eccerr0r | yes only 75% of a new battery, but what can you say.. it's 2 years old... | 19:05 |
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| eccerr0r | though I should look into getting more new BL5J's ... but worried about shelf life getting them before I need them... | 19:07 |
| r00t^home | eccerr0r: it's not like many new ones are going to be manufactured by nokia ;) | 19:07 |
| r00t^home | so, i hooked up usb on the test-points -> no result... guess we can call that phone dead | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: not really, since my 6210 battery survived 7 years without any noticeable drop in capacity | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's 4mm or somesuch, but no different | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I rather think the 2mm supplies for N8x0 did not meet that spec | 19:16 |
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| jargon | are there any other browsers for the n900 except microB and opera? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuure | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fennec, firefox | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard someone prted midori | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eccerr0r: technically that's kinda over-simplistic to incorrect ((technically all switching supplies are regulated by switching on and off)) | 19:22 |
| r00t^home | but rather fast and with a choke filtering out the switching frequency | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even then you can't call a single transformer cycle "switching on and of the PSU" | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, some do switch off completely for like 10ms then start again converting at 100+kHz for a variable length of time | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | others actually reduce frequency to the lower values but usually don't stop conversion ever | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | others change the amount of power stored in transformer during every cycle so do a PWM on constant frequency | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | many switch between several of those modes, to get better efficiency | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, all of them have a buffer capacitor in output that's supposed to change that to proper DC voltage | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the *output* power never is switched | 19:30 |
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| jargon | DocScrutinizer05: firefox? hmm. i need to get my extras-devel repo issues fixed, then. apparently extras have been up for a while but my hildon doesn't agree with that assessment | 19:45 |
| kerio | fennec from extras-devel and firefox from ovi are both unusable | 19:46 |
| kerio | the only vaguely usable one is fennec from cssu-thumb, really | 19:46 |
| jargon | aaah | 19:46 |
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| eccerr0r | stickler for details...ahh... | 20:34 |
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| Macer | well | 21:46 |
| Macer | ordered my prepaid tmobile sim | 21:46 |
| Macer | $30/month (probably around $40 after taxes) | 21:46 |
| Macer | compared to $104/month att plan | 21:47 |
| Macer | which has no txting! | 21:47 |
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| eccerr0r | heh | 21:47 |
| Macer | i only get 100mins but considering i have like 4,000 rollover minutes stored up on top of my monthly minutes | 21:48 |
| Macer | i doubt that's a problem.. hopefully skype works if it comes down to that | 21:48 |
| eccerr0r | yeah i had to throw away a lot of minutes from the switch from at&t to tmobile... | 21:48 |
| Macer | att was retarded too because i called her asking how much my contract cancellation was | 21:48 |
| Macer | $250.. why? | 21:49 |
| Macer | because i want to cancel my bill is too high and i don't even have txting .. even after i went to an lte phone/plan to a 3G one | 21:49 |
| Macer | (since i got my e7) | 21:49 |
| Macer | oh.. we can do this.. this.. and this.... and give you txting for free for 6 months | 21:49 |
| Macer | know how much she saved me a month with all her awesome magic? | 21:50 |
| Macer | $10 | 21:50 |
| eccerr0r | i do have a fairly expensive tmobile plan now though. | 21:50 |
| Macer | i went from 104 .. to 90.. and the only thing she gave me was free txting which they charge $20/month for but costs them like $0.0000001 per month to supply | 21:50 |
| eccerr0r | technically should drop the minutes but I tend to abuse the free nights/weekeneds | 21:50 |
| eccerr0r | yeah... | 21:50 |
| Macer | heh.. like i said.. if i need minutes like that i'll try using skype | 21:51 |
| Macer | but then again using skype over tmobile's 3G in chicago... i'm sure i'll get crap servceice | 21:51 |
| Macer | service | 21:51 |
| eccerr0r | my worst month so far, I haven't even hit 2GB data | 21:52 |
| eccerr0r | pretty sad, first couple of months I had tmo I was able to hit 800M or so per month, recently I've only done 300M or so... | 21:53 |
| eccerr0r | if that much even.. | 21:53 |
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| kerio | i keep paying for my data plan and i don't know why | 21:53 |
| kerio | but it's 5€/month for 100mb/day | 21:54 |
| eccerr0r | wish it was that cheap around here... | 21:54 |
| eccerr0r | technically the $30 plan is good enough for me probably. | 21:54 |
| eccerr0r | a 3GB 3G plan would be an arm and a leg in the US... :( | 21:56 |
| eccerr0r | i guess we get cheap gas (then again, it's been going up...) and europeans get cheap mobile service... ?! | 21:57 |
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| * ShadowJK glances at -meeting and ponders the phrase "beggars can't be choosers" | 23:50 | |
| ShadowJK | vaguely related... amount of pages of paperwork required to do business with a very big german supermarket: 20 | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | amount of pages of paperwork required to do business with a very big UK supermarket: 1600 | 23:58 |
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