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| DocScrutinizer05 | ampharos[l]: simple brighnes applet | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh kerio beat me to it | 00:16 |
| ampharos[l] | yeah I installed it | 00:16 |
| ampharos[l] | fine now | 00:16 |
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| narcos | I'm trying to install netcat. According to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 - "These tools are available in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org" (and netcat is listed there) , but 'apt-get install netcat' returns "couldn't find package" | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the official Maemo 5 Fremantle tools repository at repository.maemo.org | 00:17 |
| narcos | Oh, I think my tired brain interpreted that as that being the default repo | 00:18 |
| * narcos looks in his sources | 00:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 00:19 |
| infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat, click http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install (includes the catalogs aka repositories test, devel, and tools. | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | To activate the tools repository with the Application Manager, http://mg.pov.lt/770/tools-repository.install (does not work in PR 1.2 - please fix) open this single-click_2_install-3 file, or manually create a new catalogue like this: | 00:22 |
| narcos | Burn my fingers, and my cat, you say? Sounds good. | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to check for duplicate catalogs in HAM after that | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it adds test, extras-devel, and tools repo | 00:24 |
| narcos | ok awesome | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably you want to delete test and extras-dev since you have them already | 00:24 |
| narcos | Right - gotcha | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also shouldn'r keep test and extras-dev active same time, and usually disable extras-dev and tools after you installed a package | 00:25 |
| narcos | heh @ "name = developer tools (**DOOM!**)" | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are not meant for regular automatic updates of *everything* | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice, isn't it? ;-P | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however if you *see* this, you didn't click on the link in *your N900 browser* | 00:26 |
| narcos | I haven't clicked any links yet, still reading and figuring stuff out | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you did, it would get installed automagically | 00:27 |
| narcos | ah | 00:27 |
| narcos | What was that issue of "The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED, etc" all about? I remember having to fix it before reflashing, but I forget now, and Google is muddy | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's about Nokia core packages repo that has expired GPG key so you can't install from it anymore | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which breaks SSU en passant | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no update pr1.2->1.3 either | 00:29 |
| narcos | Sneaky pawn. | 00:30 |
| narcos | What's the remedy? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not install anything from there | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is tools affected? (I never checked) | 00:30 |
| narcos | Right, so remove 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com' from sources ? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apart from PR1.3->PR1.3.1 update there's nothing to update from Nokia via SSU anyway | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't, it's a system repo | 00:31 |
| narcos | Ah, so just ignore the message from 'apt-get update' ? | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a warning anyway | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not an error | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, iirc | 00:32 |
| narcos | True, "W: GPG...." | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're trying to prod Nokia subcontractors to update the GPG key | 00:33 |
| narcos | ah ok | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems a problem for them | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (well, there are systematic roadblockers when a key already expired, but there's a solution been suggested to them, let's hope they find a way to implement it) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (systematic) you can't update *anything* (incl key) when your key expired | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they got a masterkey though that's still valid to sign a new 'normal' key update, just they can't convince the bosses to do that | 00:36 |
| * ShadowJK migrates to spare N900 with help of backupmenu | 00:36 | |
| narcos | How come? | 00:36 |
| narcos | I guess Nokia doesn't really care about Maemo any longer | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or don't find the masterkey-privkey or whatever | 00:36 |
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| ShadowJK | w t f. Browsing auction site for another spare N900. Found one listed with price, and "or trade for offshore oil platform" | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 00:45 |
| narcos | Fair trade. | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | oh i see, i missed the joke referring to the elopalypse speech | 00:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 too | 00:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how much? | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, it's at 80E, reserve not met | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, no "buy it now"? | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought since those pwn guys sell N900-based pentest devices for $1k, you can't find *any* good N900 anymore | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | questions to seller: 'How much cash would you include if I traded my "Friede & Goldman L-780 IC"-platform from 1980? 72 Berths, 1 hospital berth. Helipad for Sikorsky S-61 etc." ... seller replies "You sure it wont catch fire?" | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | pwn? | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | pentest? | 00:49 |
| * narcos has bought 7 N900s on eBay.co.uk for ?100 over the last year. | 00:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pawn900 or whaever | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki pentest | 00:50 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentest (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{ref improve|date=December 2012}} A 'penetration test', occasionally 'pentest', is a method of evaluating the computer security of a computer system or network by simulating an attack from malicious outsiders (who do not have an authorized means of accessing the organization's systems) and malicious insiders (who have some level of authorized access).{{cite ... | 00:50 |
| narcos | pwnphone | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes. that one | 00:51 |
| * narcos has a few of those. | 00:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insane | 00:52 |
| narcos | It has its uses | 00:52 |
| narcos | But | 00:52 |
| narcos | Try loading up metasploit or something, and you will wait days. | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they're selling N900 with FOSS tools and a crappy custom GUi for 3 times the price they are worth | 00:52 |
| * narcos has a better approach, of running the 'heavy' tools on a server, and just passing traffic through the N900. | 00:52 | |
| narcos | I know right, US $1,000 vs $100 on eBay. | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at *least* 3 times, yes | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | so this is my third cellmo-failure N900 now | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the fsckng fsck!!! | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you do to them? | 00:54 |
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| * ShadowJK shrugs | 00:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | press kbd too hard? | 00:54 |
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| * narcos has borked several USB charger ports. | 00:54 | |
| narcos | It's so common that any cell shop here as a fixed ?20 rate to re-solder. | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | My second failed at ~290 battery cycles, iirc. This one started acting up at 305 and is now silk-gloves-only at 308 cycles. | 00:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has not had a single of those usual fatalities, just a borked FPC/ribbon early in usage of his first N900 | 00:55 | |
| ShadowJK | It's frighteningly consistent :-) | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | Well, not really... as my power use has probably been reduced, and, third N900 has about 30% more battery capacity than second had | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm seriously worried about general PCB / mech design regarding keyboard and position of large chips | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one hard push to a key could already make the chip on opposite side of PCB snap off a few pins | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably they were way better off using two unattached PCB layers for compinents and for kbd | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | components* | 00:59 |
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| ShadowJK | oops, forgot to swap sim cards | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: you ever tried the spring-load-on-chip fix for cellmo failure? | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | no | 01:02 |
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| ShadowJK | might do it on this | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | since modem still works sometimes | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:03 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: I bough an hot air smd desoldering station for 50euro... the best for repair that kind of damages ;) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: \o/ | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: indeed | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflowing the cmt chip is strongly recommended to try fixing broken-cmt failure | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but ... where on earth you get hot air reflow tools for 50EUR? | 01:17 |
| xes | germany? :) | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | link please! | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | Same factory that makes hair dryers, the "smd rework" label costs 0.01E | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | proper temperature and airflow control is mandatory for such tool, yes | 01:19 |
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| xes | hum now it costs 70€: http://www.ebay.it/itm/New-ATTEN-AT-858D-858D-SMD-Hot-Rework-Digital-Station-Air-Solder-Blower-Gun-DE-/251126845973?pt=Schwei%C3%9F_L%C3%B6ttechnik&hash=item3a78539215 | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and also you usually want to preheat the whole PCB to at least 80°C | 01:20 |
| xes | china made, but it works really well | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where the F is the german original text, the english translation is indigestible | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | "LED demonstrated that the power is formidable" ... "the amount of wind is formidable, and the wind is gentle" | 01:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like somebody put a knot in his brain when trying to translate back to german to understand the meaning | 01:25 | |
| xes | umpf... http://www.eevblog.com/2011/04/25/eevblog-167-atten-858d-hot-air-rework-review/ | 01:25 |
| xes | and this guy is great! :) | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | im guessing it's chinese to english translation | 01:26 |
| xes | ..one tool to rule them all ;) | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohshit, actually on german ebay it's all the same gibbersih | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | "The sensor closed path, microcomputer zero crossing triggering controls warm" | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | Closed-loop mcu driven heat regulation with solid state relay | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | "LED demonstrated that the power is formidable" | 01:29 |
| xes | http://www.attenelectronics.com/Products/Soldering_Tools/Reworking_stations/2012/0726/68.html | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | led lights up when desired temp is reached | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | rest is easy ;p | 01:30 |
| xes | now someone from atten should send me some %.. | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | brushless motor | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | look at the shirt of this guy!!!! "I only give negative feedback" ROTFL!!!! :-D | 01:33 |
| xes | so? | 01:38 |
| eccerr0r | only analog EE's would understand that joke... heh | 01:42 |
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| eccerr0r | I wonder if I should get a bona fide hot air rework station, or get attachments for my non-heat-controllable heat gun... | 01:43 |
| xes | "so?" was about the comments to the atten's tool... :) An op amplifier is not so oscure. http://www.zazzle.co.uk/i_only_give_negative_feedback_shirts-235418768503010114 | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: awesome | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm almost temped to get one, though I haven't soldered *anything* for the last 12 months | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might offer USB fixing service with one of those on my desk | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bench rather | 01:59 |
| xes | as soon as you fix one device, you gain more than 70€ | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 02:01 |
| xes | usually i fix vga, laptop mainboard and phones. Often, also a partial "cooking" is enough | 02:02 |
| xes | sometimes you kill the patient.. but often it comes to a new life | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Uses the original installation import not to brush the electrical machinery, the life is extremely long, the noise is minimum, << dang, this took a while to parse: they meant a brushless motor fan | 02:09 |
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| xes | the most important thing is that he does the job very well ..for a ridiculous price | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ordered :-D | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping D-Leipzig, 3..4days \o/ | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* wmo sloooow, seems fw needs a reboot? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, uptime 5h | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, something wrong with maemo.org (old): wget http://maemo.org/community/council/ fails epically | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find anything particularly wrong with load on machines or fw | 03:58 |
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| narcos | Hello @ http://wiki.maemo.org "Couldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem)" | 04:01 |
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| narcos | Any hints on making a bash script run on boot? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: well, at least you get THAT | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't connect at all via port80 | 04:03 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Oddballs | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems somebody ran a massive http attack (load on www VM jumped up to 15..18, no more free mem, lots of appache processes), then db went south | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't ssh to db | 04:05 |
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| narcos | damn | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some sucker running nagios and other stuff - probably pentests - against maemo | 04:05 |
| narcos | lame :-/ | 04:06 |
| nox- | that took a while but i got 2012-12-14 Meeting Minutes etc | 04:06 |
| * narcos has seen slowloris cripple web servers with low demand on the attacker side. | 04:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems you're busted as soon as it tries to access db, e.g for auth | 04:09 |
| narcos | still under load from the skiddies, or this is post attack damage? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since "we" have no full access to *old*, we need Nemein to have a look at it | 04:10 |
| narcos | ah | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: nfc | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see any significant load or activita in access.log or error.log neither on www nor wiki nor garage | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and db is gone | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while before one of the top processes on www been db-blabla.php | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, I managed to log in to db | 04:12 |
| narcos | dang | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top - 02:11:50 up 34 days, 8:09, 1 user, load average: 74.54, 79.19, 94.82 | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tasks: 94 total, 2 running, 92 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! | 04:13 |
| narcos | dafaq indeedly. | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | top - 02:15:47 up 34 days, 8:13, 1 user, load average: 86.93, 81.34, 92.02 | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tasks: 95 total, 2 running, 93 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 667 mysql 20 0 7436m 3.8g 3340 S 200 48.2 35494:26 mysqld | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never knew that a process can use 200% CPU time | 04:18 |
| nox- | if its using two cores... | 04:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders whether to restart mysql, or even give box a reboot | 04:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | top - 02:24:00 up 34 days, 8:21, 1 user, load average: 107.62, 97.69, 95.25 | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm open for suggestions | 04:25 |
| * narcos votes for a MySQL restart. | 04:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems has helped, nfc clue yet if it's also back to normal | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the interweb seems back to nirmal | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | normal as well | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | load 107 GODDAMMIT | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | top - 02:31:32 up 34 days, 8:29, 1 user, load average: 2.44, 40.09, 71.95 | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real fun | 04:33 |
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| narcos | Any idea why some N900s only support GPRS? | 08:30 |
| narcos | ( and others 3G ) | 08:30 |
| orlok | didnt know that | 08:31 |
| orlok | mines started needing a reboot every day or so, otherwise its gprs/3g fails | 08:31 |
| narcos | orlok: I've owned 7, two of them have been unable to engage 3G | 08:32 |
| narcos | Odd. | 08:32 |
| orlok | theres nothng that compares to it now, is there? | 08:32 |
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| orlok | other than an N9 with bluetooth keyboard? | 08:33 |
| narcos | I haven't tried the N9 | 08:33 |
| narcos | but ja, it's in its own league for certain things. I like having a portable Linux box. | 08:34 |
| orlok | mines starting to have the USB issue though | 08:34 |
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| narcos | orlok: I've lost two to that | 08:38 |
| narcos | Well, "lost", any corner cell shop will repair and reinforce it for ?20 | 08:38 |
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| joga | hm? never heard of an n900 with gprs only | 08:43 |
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| eccerr0r | hmm... wonder if there are any insured shops in the US that would reinforce the microusb for $20... | 08:57 |
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| FlameReaper | ... Hildon input method is racking up 100 percent cpu | 09:04 |
| FlameReaper | how do I mend this? | 09:04 |
| FlameReaper | nevermind | 09:04 |
| FlameReaper | a killall -9 seemed to rectify it... | 09:05 |
| FlameReaper | also, my /home/user/MyDocs directory stopped automounting after booting | 09:06 |
| FlameReaper | how do I fix this? | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honest answer? full reflash | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or try connecting it to a PC in mass storage mode, and check the filesystem there, maybe it's fsck'able | 09:19 |
| FlameReaper | anything but a full reflash... | 09:19 |
| FlameReaper | having to redownload installed apps is not going to be kind on my connection and time. | 09:20 |
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| FlameReaper | I'll try to do the second method later. | 09:20 |
| eccerr0r | though it's not automounted, can you manual mount? | 09:22 |
| FlameReaper | yes | 09:23 |
| FlameReaper | so what is puzzling me is | 09:24 |
| FlameReaper | why it doesn't mount itself on boot | 09:24 |
| FlameReaper | i mean, after booting | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's strange | 09:24 |
| FlameReaper | indeed. | 09:24 |
| eccerr0r | reflash might not be a bad answer after all | 09:24 |
| FlameReaper | funnily enough | 09:25 |
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| FlameReaper | pali's bootloader seems to be able to read the boot menu entries | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though no full reflash then | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure you haven't messed around with mixing up cssu and normal stuff, or tweaked initscripts, or sth? | 09:26 |
| FlameReaper | nope | 09:26 |
| FlameReaper | nothing like that so far | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what does syslog show? | 09:27 |
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| FlameReaper | how do I check that? | 09:27 |
| FlameReaper | dmesg? | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | install klogd syslogd, then less /var/log/messages | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or dmesg though that's a PITA | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might do for you though | 09:28 |
| FlameReaper | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/l/less/less_429-2maemo2_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I culd only figure device thinks it is in mass storage mode and thus umounts MyDocs to export it | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wget and dpkg -i ? | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody recently tweaked apt so it doesn't check hashsums anymore | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some cmd line or config option, plus iirc renaming a file where the hashsums are | 09:33 |
| FlameReaper | I already had a whole syslog copied though | 09:34 |
| FlameReaper | doesn't seem to be long other than repeated sliding keyboard messages | 09:34 |
| FlameReaper | and boot stuff. | 09:35 |
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| FlameReaper | DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/BuVB7vXa | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea. Just out of curiosity: how do you notice it doesn't mount? | 09:37 |
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| FlameReaper | Missing entries in conky and file manager. | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suggest you use `mount` to see what's up | 09:41 |
| FlameReaper | Does the syslog contain anything suspicious? | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, not really | 09:41 |
| FlameReaper | I have MyDocs mounted right now | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe it has: | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Feb 28 15:22:15 Nokia-N900 kernel: [ 155.454803] g_file_storage gadget: File-backed Storage Gadget, version: 7 August 2007 | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Feb 28 15:22:15 Nokia-N900 kernel: [ 155.454895] g_file_storage gadget: Number of LUNs=2 Number of buffers=16 | 09:42 |
| r00t^home | any suggestions on where to order a replacement rtc battery? 3eur, but no solder fins: http://www.ebay.de/itm/121006572419 , 7eur: http://www.ebay.de/itm/110894521581 | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that's normal during boot, looks like mass storage enabled | 09:43 |
| FlameReaper | as in | 09:43 |
| FlameReaper | My N900 enabled mass storage mode during boot | 09:43 |
| FlameReaper | and forgot to remount MyDocs? | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plausible fairy tale | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what happens if you actually enable and unplug MSM? | 09:44 |
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| FlameReaper | I'll try that later. | 09:51 |
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| Jeffrey04 | i am trying to install cssu-thumb, but it is prompting me to backup | 10:00 |
| Jeffrey04 | and i don't need to backup (since I have just newly flashed) | 10:01 |
| Jeffrey04 | can i skip this? | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you need to ask this, you're probably not ready for cssu-thumb. Why not try cssu-testing first? | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 10:04 |
| infobot | hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 10:04 |
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| XATRIX | ~powerkernel | 10:09 |
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| XATRIX | infobot: ~powerkernel | 10:09 |
| FReaper | DocScrutinizer05: Okay here's something else: While MyDocs is mounted on the N900, connecting to a computer and turning on MSM doesn't automatically dismount it | 10:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how did you know? | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pk | 10:14 |
| infobot | An Open-Source POSIX Threads embedded real-time kernel. URL: http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 10:14 |
| infobot | rumour has it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 10:14 |
| FlameReaper | DocScrutinizer05: Internal storage does not show up in my OS's mounted devices list, and my N900 still shows my internal storage | 10:15 |
| FlameReaper | as connected to itself | 10:15 |
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| FlameReaper | I'll try manually dismounting it and enable MSM | 10:16 |
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| FlameReaper | Nope, nothing happens. | 10:18 |
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| FlameReaper | This is getting really weird. | 10:59 |
| FlameReaper | Cannot fsck it, refuses to be mounted in MSM mode | 11:00 |
| FlameReaper | doesn't show itself in file manager after booting, etc. | 11:00 |
| kerio | FlameReaper: what does blkid report? | 11:01 |
| FlameReaper | kerio: on the N900 or my laptop? | 11:01 |
| kerio | n900 | 11:01 |
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| FlameReaper | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat" | 11:03 |
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| FlameReaper | kerio: ^ | 11:03 |
| kerio | can you mount it manually? | 11:03 |
| FlameReaper | kerio: mount it on the N900? | 11:03 |
| kerio | yeah | 11:04 |
| FlameReaper | I mean, the interal storage on the n900? If that then yes. | 11:04 |
| FlameReaper | I can mount and dismount it manually. | 11:04 |
| FlameReaper | But 1. It doesn't show up after boot | 11:04 |
| kerio | weird | 11:04 |
| kerio | do you have any modifications to rcS-late? | 11:04 |
| FlameReaper | 2. refuses to be mounted on mass storage mode, always a message "Device storage in use." | 11:04 |
| FlameReaper | rcS-late? | 11:05 |
| kerio | /etc/event.d/rcS-late | 11:05 |
| kerio | esp. the part that generates /etc/fstab | 11:05 |
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| FlameReaper | kerio: http://pastebin.com/bXezt538 | 11:09 |
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| FlameReaper | All right, it's fixed now | 11:24 |
| FlameReaper | fsck did the job. | 11:24 |
| FlameReaper | Apparently it could've been one of the safe removal mess | 11:25 |
| FlameReaper | that I've gotten the N900 a few times in | 11:25 |
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| Pali | ~optify | 11:30 |
| Pali | ~opt | 11:30 |
| infobot | [opt] available from http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jt/Software | 11:30 |
| Pali | ~optification | 11:31 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 11:31 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: I saw you send secure PPA API to upstream, does it compile with newer kernels? | 12:09 |
| freemangordon | BTW thanks :) | 12:10 |
| Pali | yes it working with 3.8-rc3 | 12:11 |
| Pali | I added ".arch_extension sec" to asm code, because "smc #1" cannot be compiled | 12:11 |
| Pali | freemangordon, questions from linux maintainers are up to you :-) | 12:11 |
| freemangordon | Pali: sure | 12:11 |
| freemangordon | :) | 12:11 |
| freemangordon | yep, i saw that addition, I was surprised that cache API didn't changed | 12:12 |
| freemangordon | *change | 12:12 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, or anyone who have contact with TMO moderators - solution from here: | 13:06 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1139564&postcount=16 | 13:06 |
| Ampharos | woo, xchat on maemo rocks - miss smuxi though | 13:06 |
| Estel_ | ...or it's improved version from here: | 13:06 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1243160&postcount=20 | 13:07 |
| Estel_ | ...seems to been working for dozen of people already | 13:07 |
| Estel_ | ...for fixing infamous "all cellular functions disabled" hardware failure | 13:07 |
| Estel_ | if you ask me, that thread should be split from: | 13:07 |
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| Ampharos | is it safe to change my default shell to bash though? | 13:08 |
| Estel_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1139564&postcount=16 | 13:08 |
| Estel_ | ...and made "sticky" | 13:08 |
| Estel_ | ... just like usb repair one | 13:08 |
| Estel_ | I found it by accident, and solution to 2nd most serious hardware problem is priceless | 13:08 |
| Estel_ | pity that no one decided to highlight it yet ;) | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | GeneralAntilles, it may be worth mentioning on MWKN, too | 13:09 |
| thedead1440 | Why not use "Report Post" functionality and give your suggestion? That's the fastest way for the mod of the sub-forum to do the necessary | 13:09 |
| Ampharos | thankfully mine is okay (not sim in it, usb works) | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | thedead1440, did it already, week ago | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | seems like things reported by *me* are redirected to /dev/null | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | or maybe all reports? | 13:10 |
| thedead1440 | nah they go sub-forum's moderator(s); even some of my reports are not affected on so its definitely not /dev/null | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | chem|st, ^ about splitting thread and making it sticky | 13:10 |
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| jaska | hmm, bad soldering? | 13:10 |
| thedead1440 | and not all reports either as those I get are usually acted on ;) | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | anyway, from experience, I've noticed that irc pings to moderators are more effective than in-forum functionality, sadly | 13:11 |
| Estel_ | jaska, yea | 13:11 |
| Ampharos | love the headphonrs indicator | 13:11 |
| jaska | hmm, ouch. how widespread is it | 13:11 |
| Ampharos | n800 and android didnt do thst | 13:11 |
| Estel_ | jaska, it's 2nd most common (which, thankfully, mean that quite rare) hardware failure, after usb | 13:11 |
| Estel_ | glad that someone found a way to fix it reliably, even if it's semi-fix | 13:12 |
| jaska | true.. havent had either issue myself (knocking wood) | 13:12 |
| thedead1440 | hmm this explains it; the mod for N900 sub-forum is Xomm whose Last Activity: 10-29-12 02:34 AM | 13:12 |
| jaska | but my microusb connectors on cables are "de-clawed" | 13:12 |
| Estel_ | while it's not a fix in literal meaning, this workaround result in months of no sim-error for people using it, so I think it's still worth mentioning. "Real" fix would be reflow | 13:12 |
| Ampharos | wow my n900 works great with the earbuds from my n800 | 13:13 |
| Ampharos | great sound | 13:13 |
| Estel_ | jaska, I don't de-claw it due to need for reliable usb connection (data), but I solder down ports | 13:13 |
| jaska | ah, mine seem to work reliably enough even when de-clawed | 13:14 |
| jaska | i gave up soldering years before surface mount components became the norm so id have to go bug someone local who can | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | N800 and N810 sound has high noise floor.. the sound amp in n900 is much better | 13:15 |
| ShadowJK | though N810 speakers are superior :) | 13:15 |
| kerio | s/superior/bigger/ | 13:16 |
| Ampharos | my n800 had good phne audio but meh speakers | 13:16 |
| Ampharos | tinny but loud and roomfilling | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | jaska; I have had 3 N900s fail that way. musb ports fine though, even without declawing. | 13:17 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: at some point, you have to accept that N900s just don't like you | 13:18 |
| Ampharos | "filthy android scum" said the persnickety N900 | 13:18 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, spring solution seems to work suprisingly reliably | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; will maybe try it one day I get more spare time and a desk empty enough to fit an N900 | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | last one still works with silk gloves approach, the other one doesn't. first one went to nokia care | 13:19 |
| Ampharos | my n900 is also really smaller than my n800 | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 13:21 |
| Ampharos | its a phone for ants | 13:21 |
| Ampharos | although my n800 hsd a bump making it hard to hold | 13:21 |
| kerio | Ampharos: buy an otterbox | 13:21 |
| * ShadowJK has N800, N810, 2 modem-dead N900, 2 working N900 | 13:21 | |
| Ampharos | i have n800 and n900 | 13:22 |
| jaska | n810 and n900, both work | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | They made the stylus thin in N810, and removed the hump | 13:22 |
| Ampharos | both work but the n800 is getting flaky | 13:22 |
| Ampharos | lots of crashes | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Ampharos: chat is awesome, especially with the right key map | 13:22 |
| Ampharos | kb is awesome on this | 13:23 |
| jaska | i guess the n810 battery might be a bit goner.. its mostly on a nightstand for reading and rarely leaves the charger | 13:23 |
| Ampharos | n800 sucked at this | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | on modem fix. | 13:23 |
| Ampharos | usuually the irc topic changed before i could write a message | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | that is utterly retarded. | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | good work! | 13:24 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: ? | 13:24 |
| Ampharos | i bought a new batt and sd card for the n800 | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.jabawok.net/?p=14 | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | referring to the above discussion | 13:24 |
| Ampharos | works great, it has insane wifi range that the n900 doeant get | 13:24 |
| kerio | why is it retarded? | 13:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | because it's an utterly broken solution, | 13:25 |
| Ampharos | hammer fixes everything | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I found my N900 has better range than N810.. never tested N800 range as much | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | like repairing a trouser button by tying a bit of string round your waist | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | must be all the metal in n810 | 13:25 |
| Ampharos | n800 gets great range | 13:26 |
| Ampharos | its also metal covered too | 13:26 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: otoh, the proper solution requires a reflow station | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: yeah | 13:26 |
| Ampharos | my city has free wifi around, n800 has no prpbs with them | 13:26 |
| Ampharos | vert good signal | 13:27 |
| Ampharos | wow my battery on the n900 lasts pretty long | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | Both N800 and N810 batteries degrade pretty fast | 13:28 |
| Ampharos | i left it at low green ladt night, wokr up still fine | 13:28 |
| Ampharos | my n800 i bought a battery | 13:28 |
| kerio | Ampharos: have you got a 1200 or a 1400 one? | 13:28 |
| Ampharos | lasts a week in sleep the 800 | 13:28 |
| ShadowJK | in active daily use I got new batts for them every year | 13:29 |
| Ampharos | still need to bench 900 | 13:29 |
| Ampharos | for the n900 i have 3 spares | 13:29 |
| Ampharos | 2 were ripped out of a nokia c3, one was a spare | 13:30 |
| Ampharos | if my usb died ill use the c3s as a battery charger | 13:30 |
| Ampharos | series 40 fonally gets a use | 13:31 |
| Ampharos | imma leave | 13:34 |
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| kerio | Pali: hmm, kernel-power "fixes" /etc/modprobe.d/bridgedriver | 13:46 |
| kerio | the settings, i think | 13:46 |
| Pali | yes | 13:46 |
| kerio | is the fix compatible with 720p support? | 13:46 |
| Pali | because kernel-power has updated dsp bridge support | 13:46 |
| Pali | it is for compatiility with 720p codecs | 13:47 |
| kerio | the bridgedriver config from harmattan has "options bridgedriver shm_size=0x500000 base_img=/lib/dsp/baseimage.dof" | 13:47 |
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| kerio | ~kp | 13:50 |
| infobot | hmm... kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 13:50 |
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| kerio | Pali: blindly updating a config file like this, when installing modules? | 13:58 |
| Estel_ | kerio, spring solution > hammer solution, for gsm modem failure | 14:04 |
| Estel_ | and springs are really workaround, while hammer is hammering into the mist | 14:05 |
| Estel_ | excuse the pun | 14:05 |
| Estel_ | fix (as opposed to workaround) would require reflow indeed, but springs workaround seems to work reliably for everyone using it | 14:06 |
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| kerio | hm, can someone paste the output of `dpkg -S /etc/event.d/dsp` please? | 14:35 |
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| kerio | anyone? | 14:44 |
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| chem|st | Estel_: just because you like to have things some way does not mean that the mod of this subforum agrees... in this case the mod was not online for a while, I will discuss the issue with staff... for your thread... no need to do anything about it - issues have different causes and different solutions - my cellmo issue does not come from loose ICs for example but give the same errors... | 14:45 |
| chem|st | ask the OP to include the collected causes+solutions in the starting-post | 14:46 |
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| thedead1440 | kerio: [1|root@N900|~]dpkg -S /etc/event.d/dsp | 14:50 |
| thedead1440 | dpkg: /etc/event.d/dsp not found. | 14:50 |
| thedead1440 | but i've the file: | 14:50 |
| kerio | fucking hell | 14:50 |
| thedead1440 | ls -al /etc/event.d/dsp | 14:50 |
| thedead1440 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 219 Feb 16 2010 /etc/event.d/dsp | 14:50 |
| kerio | thedead1440: do you have, by any chance, the 720p packages installed? | 14:52 |
| thedead1440 | kerio: yup i think i've them but i don't remember as its been so long since i last flashed my device :D | 14:52 |
| kerio | ah fucking hell i know what's up | 14:53 |
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| kerio | thedead1440: dpkg -S /etc/event.replace.d/dsp | 14:54 |
| thedead1440 | dpkg -S /etc/event.replace.d/dsp | 14:54 |
| thedead1440 | omap3430-dsp-baseimage-ti: /etc/event.replace.d/dsp | 14:54 |
| kerio | tyvm | 14:54 |
| thedead1440 | np | 14:54 |
| kerio | shame, omap3-dsp-baseimage-ti doesn't have that file | 14:55 |
| thedead1440 | ? isn't that package by fmg | 14:56 |
| kerio | not quite | 14:56 |
| thedead1440 | Maintainer: Ivaylo Dimitrov <freemangordon@abv.bg> | 14:56 |
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| kerio | thedead1440: it's a weird thing | 14:57 |
| kerio | the actual packages are the ones from harmattan for the n950 | 14:58 |
| kerio | fmg's fake packages download the real packages and unpack them | 14:58 |
| narcos | Hey all. Did you guys sort out the DoS nonsense? | 14:58 |
| thedead1440 | ah so then what's the issue? | 14:58 |
| kerio | thedead1440: it's a massive kludge, i just installed the real packages | 14:59 |
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| kerio | but those have a bunch of conflicts with the standard packages | 14:59 |
| thedead1440 | ouch | 14:59 |
| kerio | which aren't used anyway, once you install the updated libraries and codecs | 14:59 |
| kerio | the only issue is that the real omap3-dsp-baseimage-ti doesn't have /etc/event.d/dsp, so i must be careful with it | 15:00 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 15:00 |
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| chem|st | thedead1440: be thankful that I did not script replies getting mod removed by default... | 15:05 |
| chem|st | I know you are dedicated! | 15:05 |
| chem|st | it is just much easier to email all mods instead of 5 specific | 15:05 |
| thedead1440 | chem|st: haha :D | 15:06 |
| chem|st | you coverd some of the longterm missing guys already | 15:06 |
| chem|st | I hate AWOL | 15:06 |
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| thedead1440 | true especially N900 has only one mod and he's AWOL... | 15:07 |
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| narcos | Any have experience with an N900 only behaving in a 2[.5]G manner? | 15:50 |
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| teilzeitstudent | is there a way to switch on the camera's flash (using the console or w/e) without it blocking access to the camera for other apps? | 15:52 |
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| Pali | teilzeitstudent, I think no | 15:59 |
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| teilzeitstudent | Pali, hmm thanks | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | heh, automatic internet connection via cellular | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | setting was not migrated with backupmenu :) | 16:08 |
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| kerio | you're lying | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: top - 14:43:14 up 34 days, 20:40, 2 users, load average: 0.84, 0.58, 0.54 | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: wb | 16:55 |
| infobot | thx | 16:55 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe because imei changed | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible, those rtcom UIDs are very strange and scary | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/ | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity eve | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/1768c3dc-70d1-45ce-9be1-4a5a7b811143: | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/E-Plus@32@Internet | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity|less "+/type = GPRS" | 18:41 |
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| dump_01 | hi ppl! i'm happy n900 user and i have a question. i know about repositories lockdown, are they came back? or please point me to resent list of working repositories. Please! | 20:23 |
| dump_01 | or maybe original repositories are working for now? | 20:24 |
| trx | dump_01 read the channel topic | 20:26 |
| dump_01 | oh thanks! my bad | 20:27 |
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| trx | no problem :) | 20:28 |
| dump_01 | trx: how to restore original sources.list? | 20:28 |
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| dump_01 | i think my own is full of garbage | 20:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | dump_01: use HAM and put everything back as it was. | 20:33 |
| dump_01 | sixwheeledbeast: standart application manager? | 20:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | dump_01: yes, the recommended method for all application management | 20:35 |
| kerio | if you're asking if you can use a different tool, you shouldn't use a different tool | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is no stand art | 21:09 |
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| Cor-Ai | mmm ham *drowls* | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ham is the standard tool for managing repositories | 21:10 |
| Cor-Ai | ham is for xmas! | 21:10 |
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| kerio | ham is the reason for the season! | 21:11 |
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| Cor-Ai | indeed | 21:12 |
| kerio | because three months is about how much it takes for HAM to do a repo update if you have extras-devel enabled | 21:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | don't have devel enabled all the time, or use devel-light | 21:28 |
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| kerio | or just don't use HAM | 21:51 |
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| Estel_ | the latter is most likely case :P | 22:09 |
| Estel_ | BTW, N900 is worth more than we expected, today two guys tried to "convince" me to give it to them, together with my wallet and other things | 22:10 |
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| Estel_ | in a remote alley, few streets from my workshop where N900 alternative cover is sloooowly born | 22:11 |
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| Estel_ | who would expect any thug wanting N900 those days? | 22:11 |
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| Skry | drugs. anything worth anything goes. | 22:14 |
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| Estel_ | quite possible | 22:15 |
| Skry | did you manage to keep your N900? | 22:17 |
| Skry | "over my dead body" usually being the wrong answer in a situations as such | 22:18 |
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| eccerr0r | :o | 22:19 |
| Estel_ | Skry, , thanks for asking - yes, it ended up quite OK, and I agree with you, not wise to risk life for such case | 22:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have no trouble with HAM, patience. | 22:21 |
| kerio | Estel_: they still wanted it after they looked at it? :o | 22:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Estel_: glad to here | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | the thing here is that, fortunately for me, and sadly for them, I'm quite experienced with street fighting (I know, it sound strange), so instead of getting beaten I told them to gtfo once, and when one of them made move in my direction, I did what nation leaders call "preemptive strike" | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | kerio, haha | 22:22 |
| Estel_ | no idea, maybe they mistook it for some fancy android or iphone shit? | 22:23 |
| kerio | that's why i said "after they looked at it" | 22:23 |
| kerio | i assume you had the xl cover | 22:23 |
| Estel_ | no, was just heading back frrom workshop wth my regular one :P | 22:23 |
| Estel_ | it ended up in me keeping my things, them beaten pretty hard, and me having nasty bruise on my head, above eye, due to one of them having some recycled metal thing on fist, don't remember english word for it | 22:24 |
| Estel_ | fortunatelly, just surface one, completely light, despite looking ugly | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | then, spend 3 fuckin hours reporting incodent to police | 22:25 |
| Estel_ | for no use, probably | 22:25 |
| kerio | knuckles? | 22:26 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_knuckles | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | strangely, I though that I kept my cool totally during short fight, but a while later, doing "hand check", it was shaking quite a lot - adrenaline burst must have been serious | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | yea | 22:26 |
| Estel_ | knuckles, that's the name | 22:26 |
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| Estel_ | BTW I thank godnes that I decided to atack, cause responce of 2nd one (one with knuckles) was too slow due to suprise - I bet they would hit me with it if I would give them things, before running. It's infamous practice here :/ | 22:27 |
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| Estel_ | and that things, if hit in bad place, are pretty serious, I'm still little shaken up | 22:28 |
| Estel_ | (emotions, not actual hit which was "almost-miss" and is not serious - thanks for asking :P ) | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | Now, I want lightsaber into my N900. May be powered via usb. :< | 22:29 |
| Skry | I get you, from the streets myself, good to hear you're ok, knuckles usually leave you in a bad shape. | 22:30 |
| Skry | unless you're quick enough | 22:30 |
| xes | Estel_: wallet = problem | 22:31 |
| kerio | mo' money mo' problems | 22:31 |
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| kerio | xes: otoh, "i don't have a wallet" is usually a reason to beat you up | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | yea, it's sad that in - after all - middle of nice city, you must be more brutal than "they" to keep yopurself in good shape | 22:31 |
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| Estel_ | xes, funny enough, I don't have wallet | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | keeping money in pockets | 22:32 |
| Estel_ | but as kerio said, it wouldn't sound convincing | 22:32 |
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