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| DaRoDi | hi guys, where can i download the vmware with the fremantle sdk? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php is down | 01:14 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: anything new re contracts and such? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 01:27 |
| infobot | methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325483&postcount=17 | 01:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, I asked something else ;), but anyway, thanks :) | 01:29 |
| freemangordon | I suppose there is development :) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: which contract then? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only know of one contract | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please be more specific | 01:31 |
| DaRoDi | thanks | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | initial sync to new server infra completed | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course all bugs got copied as well | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apropos bugs: bmo still not working, db connectivity issue | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *new* rmo online | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do *not* suggest to use it productively yet | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so today is birthday of our new infra | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's hope we soon can christen it (DNS) | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1325297 | 03:43 |
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| merlin1991 | :D | 03:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, what's the HiFo status? | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *you* ask *me* what's the HiFo status? LOL | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in which regard? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my personal mental HiFo damage status? | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems uvan has stepped back irreversibly and undeniably today | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ivan | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not on the CC for the various infra discussions. :P | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh infra discussion. HAH | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is the IPHH situation still "unofficial" | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, err | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it never been inofficial in my book | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo officially agreed to ship the server there so we can go on installing it. then Rob came with his demand for a HOSTING(!!!) contract | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | So no additional movement has taken place since the last update I saw? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while before it was just like 2check what contract we get from them, if it's ok 8what been assumed to be tha case) then we will continue this way" | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325483&postcount=17 | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and before | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since in my book the "maximal damage" from HiFo POV is already done (they might not be able to claim back the server if IPHH was rogue), there's little they can do except hoping for the contract papers we intend to send to them | 04:39 |
| Lars- | Do all you guys in here use a n900 ? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all we will do from now on will both heal and stabilize the situation | 04:40 |
| merlin1991 | Lars-: not necessearily all, but quite a few | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some N9s and N950s, too. | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first step on this path benn done today with the server papers sent by Falk | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been* | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | storage contract will follow eventually next few days | 04:41 |
| Lars- | Is the n950 good? | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rare | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and expensive | 04:43 |
| merlin1991 | and I don't like the hw keyboard | 04:44 |
| merlin1991 | I just can't type fast on it | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and i don't like the c-ts 8and the kbd neither) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kbd is second worst kbd I ever seen in embedded (except from foil and dead-flesh kbds) | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worst been eten's M800 | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: does this answer your question? | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, first freemangordon then GeneralAntilles :-/ what's wrong with my answers? | 04:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm skinning some squash. :P | 04:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 extinguishes the fat cigar he ignited when sending http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1325297 | 04:50 | |
| GeneralAntilles | and, yes, that answers my question. | 04:50 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: where is the cake? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the kitchen, right side | 04:53 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please bring me another bottle of beer from the fridge | 04:53 |
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| thedead1440 | infobot: send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer | 04:53 |
| infobot | Go (.*?), DocScrutinizer05 | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer | 04:54 |
| infobot | Go (.*?), DocScrutinizer05 | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer | 04:54 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as send docscrutinizer05 another bottle of beer, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo cmd send DocScrutinizer05 another bottle of beer | 04:55 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as cmd send docscrutinizer05 another bottle of beer | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | commands, PITA | 04:55 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~send x y | 04:56 |
| infobot | Go (.*?), x | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~send x | 04:57 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: infobot hates you ;) | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since i'm the smarter bot of us two | 04:58 |
| thedead1440 | haha no Wikiwide is smarter :-p | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) | 05:02 |
| infobot | "cmd: send (.*?) (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> Go (.*?), $1" | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bs | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) | 05:02 |
| infobot | cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct 5 17:41:56 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 54s ago. | 05:02 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: Wikiwide answers your query here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324353#post1324353 | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) | 05:04 |
| infobot | i forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05 | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~send (.*?) (.*?) is ($whom) ($where): <reply> Go $where, $whom | 05:06 |
| infobot | Go $2, (.*?) | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FU! | 05:07 |
| merlin1991 | ~cookie | 05:11 |
| infobot | Hey merlin1991, zip 4638 is Grove Washington ME | 05:11 |
| merlin1991 | ~pet | 05:11 |
| merlin1991 | ah that was it | 05:11 |
| merlin1991 | ~botsnack | 05:11 |
| infobot | :), merlin1991 | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 05:13 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer05, zip 60941 is Herscher Kankakee IL | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 05:13 |
| infobot | Hey docscrutinizer05, rfc 1458 is Requirements for Multicast Protocols. R. Braudes & S. Zabele. May 1993. (Format: TXT=48106 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cookie | 05:13 |
| * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... jon masters... at http://www.jonmasters.org/ | 05:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | listkeys "zip " | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys "zip " | 05:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip ' by key (21 of 42379): zip 19114 ;; zip 20463 ;; zip 30345 ;; zip 34236 ;; zip 35898 ;; zip 41740 ;; zip 43434 ;; zip 45308 ;; zip 47220 ;; zip 48111 ;; zip 49709 ;; zip 49858 ;; zip 50236 ;; zip 55439 ;; zip 5670 ;; zip 60913 ;; zip 63882 ;; zip 64601 ;; zip 64722 ;; zip 65010 ;; zip 67002. | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys "rfc " | 05:14 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'rfc ' by key (23 of 2218): rfc 1144 ;; rfc 1270 ;; rfc 1325 ;; rfc 1396 ;; rfc 1516 ;; rfc 1620 ;; rfc 1623 ;; rfc 168 ;; rfc 1682 ;; rfc 1701 ;; rfc 1831 ;; rfc 1980 ;; rfc 2064 ;; rfc 2098 ;; rfc 224 ;; rfc 271 ;; rfc 286 ;; rfc 310 ;; rfc 328 ;; rfc 365 ;; rfc 612 ;; rfc 651 ;; rfc 729. | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, only | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys send (.*?) (.*?) | 05:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'send (.*?) (.*?)' by key (2): cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: send (.*?) (.*). | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*?) | 05:16 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as cmd: send (.*?) (.*?), DocScrutinizer05 | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo cmd: send (.*?) (.*) | 05:16 |
| infobot | cmd: send (.*?) (.*) -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Wed Oct 5 17:40:31 2005 (2701 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 9m 42s ago. | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget cmd: send (.*?) (.*) | 05:16 |
| infobot | i forgot cmd: send (.*?) (.*), DocScrutinizer05 | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OHLOL, Skry and thedead1440 *thanked* me on that new tmo :-P | 05:18 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: we need to maintain your x8 ratio before you suffer a public meltdown for that too :-p | 05:19 |
| Skry | ;) | 05:19 |
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| eccerr0r | I think I finally gained enough evidence to know exactly what's up with my charging situation... | 06:01 |
| eccerr0r | I am now drawing 600mA+ from my bench PSU... and the culprit? Bad microusb plug... | 06:02 |
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| eccerr0r | now charging at 0.6A at 5.15V through this 8" Nokia cable that came with my 5230 ... not even the CA-101 charged at 0.6A... :\ | 06:05 |
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| eccerr0r | looks like I'll have to buy a AC10U or something. | 06:09 |
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| Macer | blah | 09:12 |
| Macer | fmobi is still broken | 09:12 |
| Macer | :/ | 09:12 |
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| eccerr0r | hmm... how does one install dev libs for armel in the SDK? | 10:00 |
| eccerr0r | I don't know why the rootstrap doesn't contain libgnutls | 10:02 |
| eccerr0r | maybe I'll just copy these files over from my n900 as a workaround... | 10:02 |
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| Jeffrey04 | installing packages through the application manager fails after i enabled extras-devel, is there anyway i can check what is wrong? | 10:29 |
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| thedead1440 | Jeffrey04: hashsum error? the app manager has a logs option to describe what went wrong... | 10:30 |
| Jeffrey04 | thedead: how can i get the log? i just received this n900 this morning :P | 10:31 |
| Jeffrey04 | it just says Downloading $packagename failed. Try again? | 10:31 |
| thedead1440 | click the top tab and click on log | 10:31 |
| Jeffrey04 | ok found it | 10:31 |
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| thedead1440 | its probably hashsum error due to the repos having an issue | 10:31 |
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| thedead1440 | ~mirror | 10:31 |
| infobot | somebody said mirror was http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 10:32 |
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| Jeffrey04 | there's a lot of this "Ignoring version from wrong domain" messages in the log | 10:32 |
| thedead1440 | use extras-devel.merlin1991.at; you can download on your device the repo enabler by entering this link on browser: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install | 10:32 |
| eccerr0r | crap. lying that I had python 2.4 didn't work :p | 10:33 |
| eccerr0r | got through configure at least... | 10:34 |
| thedead1440 | Jeffrey04: thats most probably the downloads.maemo.nokia.com error messages due to the GPG key expiring iirc; those messages shouldn't be the cause | 10:34 |
| thedead1440 | but its best you disable extras-devel and use merlin's extras-devel as the latter doesn't have hashsum error | 10:35 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, the certificate problem still not fixed? | 10:35 |
| thedead1440 | yeah still not fixed... | 10:35 |
| Jeffrey04 | i remember seeing the thread on tmo quite some time ago | 10:35 |
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| thedead1440 | Jeffrey04: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle/Repositories <--- for explanation on the gpg key | 10:36 |
| Jeffrey04 | thedead1440: changed repo *finger-crossed* | 10:40 |
| Jeffrey04 | thanks for the help | 10:40 |
| Macer | hm | 10:41 |
| Macer | need a tabbed putty for symbian :/ | 10:41 |
| Macer | seriously missing that | 10:41 |
| eccerr0r | is there a package that will upgrade the python-2.3.4 in scratchbox in the SDK? | 10:41 |
| eccerr0r | ugh... that symbian putty I was using on my 5230 ate my battery. | 10:42 |
| Macer | heh. the one on the e7 isnt too bad | 10:42 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, all my catalogs are gone all of a sudden | 10:42 |
| Macer | i didnt think the one on the n95 was bad a while back | 10:42 |
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| Macer | if i knew belle was so awesome i would have gotten an e£u a long while ago | 10:43 |
| Macer | e7 | 10:43 |
| eccerr0r | so far I can leave openssh sessions on my n900 but symbian-putty s60v5 on my 5230 makes the phone get hot | 10:43 |
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| Macer | yeah. i miss using my n900 | 10:44 |
| Macer | my modem broke on it | 10:44 |
| Macer | i use it at home sometimes as an nit | 10:44 |
| Macer | might ebay it for parts soon | 10:44 |
| eccerr0r | I miss the gps on my 5230... else... not really :D | 10:44 |
| Macer | at least symbian belle has nokia drive | 10:44 |
| eccerr0r | I broke the charging circuit on my 5230...else it wasn't that bad a phone... | 10:44 |
| Macer | that ovi maps made me want to find whoever made it and shoot them in the face | 10:45 |
| Macer | so they could never make anything... ever again | 10:45 |
| eccerr0r | the ovi maps for the 5230 isn't that bad, the ovi maps for the n900 leaves much to be desired... | 10:45 |
| Macer | it was awful | 10:45 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:45 |
| Macer | yeah.. n810 was just as bad | 10:46 |
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| Macer | only thing that was good about were on device maps | 10:46 |
| Macer | but drive does that too | 10:46 |
| eccerr0r | the 5230 actually had turn by turn but it's not perfect. | 10:46 |
| Macer | drive is awesome | 10:46 |
| eccerr0r | n900... none. | 10:46 |
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| Macer | heh.. i cant remember... i remember trying to just get directions was a chore | 10:47 |
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| Macer | which in turn made me just go inside and swap the sim with my old G1 for gnav | 10:47 |
| eccerr0r | yes, at most you'd get a list for directions... it's good enough for me I guess, as long as the maps are there and I can get my location. | 10:47 |
| Macer | yeah.. but just getting to that point | 10:48 |
| Macer | it was the most unintuitive nav app ever made heh | 10:48 |
| eccerr0r | very true. | 10:48 |
| Macer | i could speak to my G1 lol... drive to address... | 10:48 |
| Macer | gnav only sucks because you need a net connection | 10:48 |
| eccerr0r | I copied the 5230's ovimaps data to the n900, so at least it doesn't need to download anymore... | 10:49 |
| Macer | i found out what a pain that was driving cross country | 10:49 |
| Macer | i just use the e7 and download the US map | 10:49 |
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| eccerr0r | yeah the 5230's ovimaps just needed GSM for agps | 10:49 |
| eccerr0r | it just takes a while to get a lock without it | 10:49 |
| Macer | yah.. awesome part was when nokia took down the agps address | 10:50 |
| eccerr0r | i haven't tried what the n900 does without GSM but has all of ovimaps downloaded. | 10:50 |
| Macer | lol | 10:50 |
| eccerr0r | heh... | 10:50 |
| eccerr0r | that was fun. | 10:50 |
| Macer | yah | 10:50 |
| eccerr0r | supl.nokia.com. wtf. | 10:50 |
| Macer | n900 takes like a year to lock | 10:50 |
| Macer | without it | 10:50 |
| Macer | if a bird flies by it.. it has to start over | 10:51 |
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| Macer | it is insane | 10:52 |
| warfare | I need to reboot repository.maemo.org | 10:52 |
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| Macer | dont do it!! | 10:52 |
| Macer | heh | 10:52 |
| eccerr0r | after thinking about it, the 5230 took a while to lock sometimes too, sometimes it was fast, but I don't know what supl server it was set to... | 10:52 |
| Macer | sometimes it could just have a good enough ... whats the word im looking for? | 10:53 |
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| Macer | like if you used it the previous day | 10:53 |
| eccerr0r | possible. | 10:53 |
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| Macer | i forgot what it was called | 10:53 |
| eccerr0r | almanac? | 10:54 |
| Macer | yes | 10:54 |
| kerio | hm, is the NAND in the n900 SLC? | 10:55 |
| eccerr0r | hmm.. i really should figure out a way to power the 5230/nuron externally...so it still can be used as a GPS... :D | 10:55 |
| Macer | in the military we had these ancient gps systems called plgr | 10:55 |
| Macer | looked like something from wargames | 10:55 |
| Macer | and only gave coordinates | 10:56 |
| Macer | took just as long to lock on and didnt have the agps | 10:56 |
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| eccerr0r | I highly doubt it's SLC... since it's so slow... heh j/k no clue about this... | 10:57 |
| Macer | it is probably some class 2 embedded sdhc | 10:57 |
| Macer | it is pretty bad | 10:57 |
| Macer | ah well. zzz. take care | 10:58 |
| kerio | Macer: yeah, it's not | 10:58 |
| kerio | i'm talking about the NAND | 10:58 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, added extras-devel mirror repo manually to HAM, and now it is broken | 10:59 |
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| thedead1440 | Jeffrey04: what do you mean by broken? You can always remove the repos and why not just use apt-get? HAM is painfully slow anyway | 11:04 |
| Jeffrey04 | now clicking catalog doesn't show the repo (empty list) | 11:05 |
| Jeffrey04 | and clicking install doesn't list all the available categories | 11:05 |
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| Jeffrey04 | should have installed rootsh first ): | 11:05 |
| thedead1440 | can you check via terminal /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon*.list | 11:05 |
| thedead1440 | you can still install rootsh; download and click on it on device. | 11:06 |
| thedead1440 | http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb | 11:06 |
| eccerr0r | the categories in HAM all disappear when the updates fail... should be able to update the source list in HAM and refresh and the options will show up again | 11:06 |
| eccerr0r | at least that's what it seemed to do when I had none of the repositories enabled/working | 11:07 |
| Jeffrey04 | the repos are in the .list files | 11:07 |
| Jeffrey04 | packages list is back, but apparently connection to maemo.org timeout :( | 11:08 |
| Jeffrey04 | weird, probably will just stick with apt-get in future | 11:08 |
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| Jeffrey04 | ooo, http://repository.maemo.org/ is down | 11:09 |
| Jeffrey04 | ok, ham seems to work now | 11:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: rmo is down | 11:12 |
| Jeffrey04 | thedead1440: eccerr0r: thanks | 11:13 |
| thedead1440 | np ;) | 11:13 |
| thedead1440 | repo.maemo.org VM has just been rebooted maybe that's why its down | 11:13 |
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| thedead1440 | rmo back up now thanks to warfare | 11:37 |
| kerio | dammit why am i not in the secret op channel :c | 11:41 |
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| jargon | still no extras-devel? | 11:45 |
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| Jeffrey04 | yay~ | 11:46 |
| thedead1440 | jargon: why not? extras-devel is up since quite sometime; it has hashsum issue for a small subset of packages only | 11:46 |
| jargon | thedead1440: hmm. let me try again. wasn't working for yesterday | 11:46 |
| jargon | thedead1440: no joy. still can't install frontcamera. is that one of the subset? | 11:48 |
| thedead1440 | not sure; does it say hash sum error? | 11:48 |
| thedead1440 | why not apt-get it otherwise? and install from /var/cache/archives/ using dpkg -i | 11:48 |
| jargon | thedead1440: no, just says it can't download it | 11:48 |
| thedead1440 | maybe you need to refresh your catalogues as repos were down temporarily and have come back up now | 11:49 |
| jargon | thedead1440: oh. i was told never to apt-get and always use the pkg manager | 11:49 |
| jargon | hildon | 11:49 |
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| thedead1440 | o.O apt-get should not be used when upgrading CSSU releases but i don't remember it being said for everything else | 11:50 |
| jargon | thedead1440: doesn't it refresh the catalogues automatically on starting up hildon? | 11:50 |
| thedead1440 | jargon: not sure; i don't use ham much but it won't hurt to refresh it once more :D | 11:50 |
| jargon | thedead1440: so i just open the terminal and run apt-get install frontcamera? | 11:50 |
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| thedead1440 | yeah | 11:51 |
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| jargon | ok | 11:51 |
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| Pali | ~poettering | 13:27 |
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| Pali | Kay Sievers >> https://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-continue-writing-useful-programs | 13:28 |
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| narcos | Hey maemoers. I want to re-flash my N900. It seems the nokia page where I need to download the goods isn't working. Is this the correct page? - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 13:30 |
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| narcos | Phew, I seem to have found the files from the last time I re-imaged | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | ~mirrors | 13:35 |
| infobot | well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 13:35 |
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| narcos | jacekowski: Those seem to be repo mirrors, no? | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | https://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ | 13:36 |
| narcos | jacekowski: ah, great, thanks :) | 13:37 |
| narcos | jacekowski: I don't suppose you have the hashes of those two files? | 13:37 |
| narcos | ( to compare to my existing download of them ) | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | 33c78a65ec8d69a611567051d1f777ff RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 13:38 |
| jacekowski | b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 13:38 |
| narcos | Great, thank you! | 13:38 |
| narcos | Odd that I have a different hash for RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin, but same for the other | 13:39 |
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| narcos | Hm, I forget, do I flash the VANILLA or the PR_COMBINED first? | 13:41 |
| narcos | "When flashing the eMMC content, the safe way is flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, then remove battery for a moment, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image" | 13:42 |
| * narcos isn't sure what the difference is | 13:43 | |
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| Pali | ~seen romaxa | 13:45 |
| infobot | romaxa <~romaxa@31.7.60.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 18h 27m 13s ago, saying: 'freemangordon: need to go at work, btw, I guess it would make sense keep most of discussions on #embedlite channel regarding embedlite (irc.mozilla.org)'. | 13:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: he went to sleep some 15 minutes ago :) | 13:50 |
| Pali | ~factinfo poettering | 13:51 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 13:51 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as poettering, Pali | 13:51 |
| freemangordon | Pali: you can reach him on #embedlite, mozilla.org | 13:52 |
| Pali | hm, who deleted poettering? | 13:52 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | isn't it poetering | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | ~poetering | 13:52 |
| Pali | no, double t | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | ~poettering | 13:52 |
| narcos | Anyone have success using the flasher app on OSX? | 13:53 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: poettering was deleted! | 13:54 |
| narcos | It seems the device is detected, but then it promptly fails - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5i5pYw9p | 13:54 |
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| Pali | narcos, use linux flasher for flashing | 13:54 |
| narcos | Pali: You mean from Linux as opposed to OSX, or use the Linux version on OSX? | 13:55 |
| Pali | on other systems it sometimes not working correctly | 13:55 |
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| Pali | boot linux and use linux version of flasher | 13:55 |
| narcos | Pali: OK, I'll try my Linux VM, otherwise will go find a linux box | 13:55 |
| Pali | forwarding usb port to VM is not good too... | 13:56 |
| narcos | ahh | 13:56 |
| narcos | Pali: OK, I'll go find a Linux machine | 13:57 |
| * narcos goes searching | 13:57 | |
| Pali | ok, if you want to do full reflash (also delete all data from MyDocs) flash in this order: combined, emmc, combined | 13:58 |
| Pali | and do not boot device between flashing (only reboot) | 13:59 |
| * kerio uses os x | 13:59 | |
| kerio | ~listkeys poettering | 14:00 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'poettering' by key (1): poettering #DEL#. | 14:00 |
| kerio | >:C | 14:00 |
| Pali | poettering was there! | 14:00 |
| Pali | ban him | 14:00 |
| kerio | narcos: do you have some nokia shit installed? | 14:00 |
| kerio | ~factinfo poettering | 14:00 |
| infobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) | 14:00 |
| infobot | there's no such factoid as poettering, kerio | 14:00 |
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| kerio | hm | 14:01 |
| Pali | ~listkeys lennart | 14:04 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'lennart' by key (1): lennart. | 14:04 |
| Pali | ~lennart | 14:04 |
| infobot | Lennart is ~Poettering | 14:04 |
| Pali | ~Poettering | 14:04 |
| Pali | ~listkeys Poettering | 14:04 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'Poettering' by key (1): poettering #DEL#. | 14:04 |
| Pali | kerio, do you know some replacement for ifplugd? | 14:05 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 14:06 |
| kerio | wicd maybe? | 14:06 |
| Pali | ifplugd is simple daemon which execute script when ethernet cable is plugged/unpluged | 14:06 |
| kerio | can't you use it? | 14:07 |
| Pali | wicd doing more, I need simple daemon | 14:07 |
| Pali | yes, I do not want to run poetteringed SW | 14:07 |
| kerio | don't be silly | 14:10 |
| Pali | ifplugd has one big bug: | 14:10 |
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| Pali | if peridically polling for link status | 14:10 |
| Pali | every 1s | 14:10 |
| Pali | so not possible to use it on laptop on battery | 14:11 |
| kerio | does the kernel have a facility for plug notification? | 14:11 |
| Pali | netlink | 14:11 |
| Pali | I think it should have | 14:11 |
| Pali | ha, I found something: | 14:12 |
| Pali | netplug - network link monitor daemon | 14:12 |
| Pali | It's similar to ifplugd, but uses NETLINK instead of regularly polling the link status. This improves power-consumption with laptops, but does not work with all network card. | 14:12 |
| Pali | http://www.red-bean.com/~bos/ | 14:13 |
| kerio | yay | 14:13 |
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| Pali | nice, strace show me that netplug sleeping in poll syscall :-) | 14:22 |
| Pali | no busy waiting for cable event :-) | 14:22 |
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| narcos | Pali: OK I found a Linux box, trying from there now | 14:45 |
| Pali | ok | 14:45 |
| narcos | kerio: What do you mean by 'some nokia shit installed' ? | 14:45 |
| kerio | "nokia suite" or something like that | 14:46 |
| narcos | kerio: no | 14:46 |
| * narcos goes looking for the flasher deb | 14:46 | |
| narcos | ~mirror | 14:46 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 14:46 |
| kerio | Pali: is cold flashing only usable to flash a proper nolo? | 14:47 |
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| Pali | kerio, cold flash sending 2nd & nolo image via omap peripheral boot | 14:47 |
| Pali | and seems that 2nd image flashing itself + nolo into n900 nand | 14:47 |
| Pali | and then 2nd boot nolo | 14:48 |
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| narcos | Hrm, any tips on where to find the Flasher .deb package, I don't see it in the above links ? | 14:49 |
| Pali | ~skeiron | 14:49 |
| infobot | it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 14:49 |
| narcos | ( given that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is down ) | 14:49 |
| Pali | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ | 14:50 |
| Pali | download *Fremantle* flasher | 14:50 |
| narcos | Pali: Great! maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb , right? ( Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) ) | 14:51 |
| Pali | yes | 14:51 |
| narcos | k | 14:51 |
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| narcos | Pali: So, to confirm what you said earlier, I should run these 3 commands: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f , flasher-3.5 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f , flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f . With no booting in between, just plugging in the phone and holding 'u' | 14:56 |
| kerio | you forgot a -F | 14:57 |
| kerio | and you'll need to reboot the phone between each | 14:57 |
| narcos | kerio: Sharp eyes, thanks | 14:57 |
| kerio | at least, it's advised | 14:57 |
| narcos | kerio: So, -R , or manually reboot ? | 14:57 |
| narcos | ( or same thing ) | 14:57 |
| kerio | i'd remove the battery between each step | 14:58 |
| kerio | but it doesn't really matter | 14:58 |
| Pali | you must only prevent booting system | 14:58 |
| narcos | OK, thanks, giving it a go now | 14:58 |
| kerio | the first combined is to make sure that the flashing of vanilla succeeds | 14:58 |
| Pali | removing battery after reflash (and wait some time) should be safe | 14:58 |
| narcos | ah ok | 14:58 |
| kerio | once vanilla is flashed, flash combined and then you can do whatever | 14:59 |
| Pali | you need (semi)working rootfs if you want to flash eMMC | 14:59 |
| Pali | and flashing eMMC destroing rootfs, so you need to flash rootfs again | 14:59 |
| narcos | aha, gotcha | 15:00 |
| kerio | "destroying" | 15:00 |
| narcos | heh | 15:00 |
| Pali | :-) | 15:01 |
| narcos | ah, this is looking good, much more activity than from OSX | 15:01 |
| kerio | ~optification | 15:01 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 15:01 |
| kerio | narcos: make sure to blacklist cdc_phonet | 15:01 |
| Hurrian | narcos: fwiw, if you want to use Flasher on OSX, for some reason Installer doesn't put the dylibs in properly anymore, and you have to copy them out manually (or use Pacifist) | 15:02 |
| Pali | flasher-3.5 (and 0xFFFF too) telling kernel to unload all kernels drivers attached to n900 usb | 15:02 |
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| Pali | kerio, look: https://lwn.net/Articles/536546/ and then: https://lwn.net/Articles/536548/ | 15:03 |
| kerio | haha | 15:03 |
| kerio | nice | 15:03 |
| narcos | kerio: Blacklist cdc_phonet - is that in terms of flashing from OSX? | 15:04 |
| kerio | no, from linux | 15:04 |
| narcos | kerio: I'm not sure what you mean by that? | 15:04 |
| Pali | I think that last flasher should work without it | 15:04 |
| narcos | Hurrian: Ahhh ok | 15:04 |
| narcos | I'm already on the 3rd flash | 15:04 |
| kerio | narcos: you have to make sure that the cdc_phonet module isn't loaded by anything | 15:05 |
| Pali | kernel deattaching kernel drivers from n900 usb | 15:05 |
| kerio | but whatever, if it worked it worked | 15:05 |
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| narcos | kerio: Ah right, on the Linux box | 15:06 |
| kerio | is this your first n900? | 15:06 |
| narcos | kerio: No | 15:06 |
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| kerio | just remember to install some flavour of cssu | 15:06 |
| narcos | First Google hit: Christadelphian Sunday School Union | 15:07 |
| narcos | Probably not that one | 15:07 |
| kerio | wat | 15:07 |
| kerio | ~cssu | 15:07 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 15:07 |
| narcos | Ja had found that one ;) | 15:07 |
| narcos | Looks interesting | 15:07 |
| kerio | cssu-testing is not installable at the moment, i think | 15:08 |
| narcos | OK 3rd flash done, trying to boot | 15:08 |
| narcos | Awesome, thanks guys :) | 15:12 |
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| Sicelo | how well does apk-env play with whatsapp on n900? | 17:06 |
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| MohammadAG | probably not good enough, whatsapp uses UI elements | 17:08 |
| Sicelo | ok. for whatsapp, what would you recommend? | 17:09 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Suicide. | 17:09 |
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| ampharos[l] | slight problem with my N900 (just shipped :D) - there's no catalogs! | 17:10 |
| ampharos[l] | App Managaer says so, I checked, nothing! | 17:10 |
| ampharos[l] | I presume I want the stock catalogs | 17:10 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Hm. Isn't that related with repos still being probably down? | 17:10 |
| Sicelo | lol Aoyagi_joytop. anyway, it's not that I want whatsapp.. i'm forced to use whatsapp (at work) | 17:10 |
| ampharos[l] | no | 17:10 |
| ampharos[l] | there are none at all since the dude did a factory reset | 17:11 |
| ampharos[l] | the repos are up anyways (my n800 can attest) | 17:11 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Oh, I should get up to date with the news then. | 17:11 |
| * Aoyagi_joytop consults the topic | 17:11 | |
| Sicelo | ampharos[l]: HAM does that sometimes.. don't panic. more likely the catalogs ARE there :-P | 17:12 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Sicelo: Hah, that's quite unfortunate. | 17:12 |
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| ampharos[l] | reboot then? | 17:12 |
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| ampharos[l] | closed it, it's taking its time loading the catalogues, and they're back... | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | test in terminal.. maybe 'apt-get update' | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | :D | 17:13 |
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| Sicelo | exactly ;-) | 17:13 |
| ampharos[l] | it's working | 17:13 |
| ampharos[l] | no updates, woo | 17:13 |
| Sicelo | MohammadAG: btw, good to see you :) | 17:13 |
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| MohammadAG | I've always been here :P | 17:15 |
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| ampharos[l] | wow the N900 is small | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | Sicelo, isn't there a whatsapp app? | 17:15 |
| ampharos[l] | it's just slightly bigger than the screen of the N800 | 17:15 |
| Sicelo | can't make up my mind between Yappari and the Java one .. though maybe someone had experience of both | 17:16 |
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| kerio | well, yappari kinda works | 17:19 |
| ampharos[l] | wait, how do I install software from CLI? sudo doesn't work so I think I'm stupid | 17:21 |
| kerio | you need some kind of root access | 17:22 |
| kerio | installing openssh will let you set the root password | 17:22 |
| ampharos[l] | that'd be great, except I'm trying to install openssh | 17:23 |
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| kerio | use HAM | 17:23 |
| ampharos[l] | Download of "OpenSSH Client" failed. Try Again? | 17:24 |
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| kerio | do you have extras-devel enabled? | 17:25 |
| ampharos[l] | repository.maemo.org/extras/ is on | 17:26 |
| ampharos[l] | i presume I need to add extras-devel? | 17:27 |
| kerio | no you don't | 17:27 |
| kerio | and "failed" shouldn't really happen | 17:27 |
| kerio | can you get a more specific error message of some sorts? | 17:28 |
| ampharos[l] | it just gives yes or no | 17:28 |
| ampharos[l] | yes repeats and fails | 17:28 |
| ampharos[l] | 503 Service Unavailable it seems | 17:29 |
| ampharos[l] | odd, my N800 seems to connect the maemo repos fine (freemantle problem?) | 17:29 |
| ampharos[l] | log http://ompldr.org/vaGx0Mw/log.txt | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/o/openssh/openssh-common_5.1p1-6.maemo5_armel.deb seems to be down | 17:33 |
| ampharos[l] | oh no D: | 17:34 |
| thedead1440 | use the files from here otherwise: http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/o/openssh/ | 17:36 |
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| amospalla | when repositories are working, I should update them without modifying them, right? | 17:37 |
| amospalla | with my old repositories settings, I mean | 17:37 |
| thedead1440 | ampharos[l]: again thanks to warfare the issue has been fixed | 17:37 |
| thedead1440 | try it again it should work now | 17:38 |
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| Sicelo | kerio: according to the first few posts of the yappari thread, looks like you also need to have successfully setup the java port? weird | 17:44 |
| thedead1440 | Sicelo: that's old instructions; Yappari doesn't depend on the java port anymore and the java port actually doesn't work anymore. | 17:45 |
| Sicelo | ah. cool. :-) | 17:46 |
| ampharos[l] | it's working now | 17:47 |
| ampharos[l] | thans | 17:47 |
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| ampharos[l] | which is the best su tool? in maemo 4 I use rootsh | 17:50 |
| Sicelo | sudo su - or sudo -i , i believe | 17:52 |
| ampharos[l] | i don't think sudo works - it asks for a password | 17:53 |
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| kwtm | Hi! Need some quick help (I've got 5min left). Under what directory do I find the videos/photos that I've taken with the N900 built-in camera? | 17:56 |
| ampharos[l] | N900 -> DCIM | 17:57 |
| ampharos[l] | little counter-intuitive but it's what every camera since the invention of fire uses | 17:58 |
| kwtm | Sorry, what is N900 -> DCIM ? Is there a /N900 directory under the root directory? I don't see it. Do I have to be root to see it? | 18:00 |
| Sicelo | /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM or /media/mc1/DCIM | 18:00 |
| kwtm | Oh, I guess I wasn't clear. I'm ssh'ing into the N900 and trying to pull out the files by fish:// | 18:00 |
| kwtm | Got it Sicelo Thx | 18:00 |
| ampharos[l] | why? | 18:00 |
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| kwtm | Sicelo: It worked! Thanks!. ampharos[l], I will leave it as an exercise to you to figure out why on earth I would ever want to get my photo/video files from my N900. | 18:05 |
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| ampharos[l] | usually you could just use USB and mount MyDocs | 18:05 |
| ampharos[l] | unless his USB is totalled... | 18:05 |
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| Sicelo | lots of valid reason to do so ;-) | 18:06 |
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| Sicelo | ampharos[l]: about root, there is rootsh for fremantle (which i installed long ago) .. it appears that it's not 'exactly' the recommended way to become root. | 18:07 |
| kerio | it's a huge kludge | 18:07 |
| Sicelo | try to ssh into N900 as root.. should work | 18:07 |
| Sicelo | ah.. kerio is here.. he can guide you better :-) | 18:08 |
| kerio | what | 18:08 |
| kerio | no | 18:08 |
| kerio | no i'm not | 18:08 |
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| Sicelo | :D | 18:09 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: rootsh is a piece of crap, set up your own sudoers file | 18:14 |
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| narcos | Hm, I assume maemo should be able to read FAT32, right? | 18:48 |
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| narcos | "Memory card format unsupported" | 18:49 |
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| Sicelo | maybe dead card. | 18:50 |
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| Sicelo | you can install CLI tools on N900, suck as cfdisk.. | 18:51 |
| narcos | Sicelo: I can read/write to it on Ubuntu | 18:51 |
| Sicelo | hmm, check to see if you 'really' have a partition there.. btw, you can try to mount it in N900 from terminal. | 18:53 |
| narcos | Sicelo: Can the default user 'sudo' to use mount? | 18:54 |
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| Sicelo | no | 18:56 |
| Sicelo | well, i'm not sure i understand you.. if you can 'sudo apt-get get install..' then you can also 'sido mount..' | 18:56 |
| narcos | Sicelo: On a fresh install I don't think we get given root/sudo access with the default user account I mean - without installing rootsh ? | 19:00 |
| * narcos tries reformatting the card | 19:00 | |
| Sicelo | btw, some cards don't play well with N900.. i think Kingstons... check TMO | 19:02 |
| kerio | fwiw the UI should be able to reformat the card | 19:02 |
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| narcos | Sicelo: ah, it is a Kingston | 19:06 |
| narcos | I'm doing a complete format, so it's taking some time | 19:06 |
| narcos | still unable to. Perhaps it's the Kingston theory. | 19:22 |
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| kerio | meh | 19:25 |
| kerio | narcos: try installing kernel-power | 19:25 |
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| Pali | narcos, check dmesg if card was detected | 19:39 |
| Pali | and also do not forget to close back cover! | 19:39 |
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| ampharos[l] | holy being able to use C# compilers on my phone is awesome :D | 19:44 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, how to stop shutting down device on low power, or whole bme replacement, to get same results? | 19:48 |
| Estel_ | it's working ok, but on single-cell battery (device of family member) it's extremely hard to calibrate bq27x00 | 19:49 |
| kerio | hrmpf, how is PATH set when you run sudo | 19:49 |
| kerio | i don't get it | 19:49 |
| Estel_ | as device is shut down like with normal bme | 19:49 |
| Pali | Estel_, bme replacement will shutdown device when EDV1 flag is set (so calibration is done) | 19:50 |
| Estel_ | bTW, I insist on user-configurable (via sysfs?) voltage treeshold for shutting down device | 19:50 |
| Estel_ | Pali, not the case her | 19:50 |
| Estel_ | here* | 19:50 |
| Estel_ | device with vdq1 whole time, discharged till shutdown | 19:50 |
| kerio | Pali: yeah, it doesn't do that here either | 19:50 |
| Estel_ | still "calibration requiredn flag is set and no data update | 19:50 |
| Pali | hm, maybe when battery is not calibrated it ignoring edv1 flag | 19:51 |
| Pali | I will look at it | 19:51 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 19:51 |
| kerio | it's calibrated here | 19:51 |
| kerio | it doesn't shut down at EDV1, it shuts down at EDVF i think | 19:51 |
| Estel_ | I still insist on user-configurable shutting down treeshold, yet | 19:51 |
| Pali | kerio, no it was changed to edv1 | 19:51 |
| kerio | hm, then maybe it does? | 19:51 |
| Estel_ | I would like to shut my device down on 3000 mv, not 3148, on dual-cell it's quite some mAh | 19:51 |
| Estel_ | ~70 | 19:51 |
| infobot | 70 are easy | 19:51 |
| kerio | and it means that you can't calibrate without shutting down | 19:51 |
| kerio | i agree, 3000 is better | 19:51 |
| Pali | because I get more times errors from CellMO | 19:52 |
| Estel_ | Pali, user configurable | 19:52 |
| Estel_ | with default on edv1? | 19:52 |
| Estel_ | I don't care about cellMO errors (which I don't get even on 2900 mV, btw) | 19:52 |
| Pali | now default is edv1 | 19:52 |
| kerio | Estel_: you're not supposed to shut down on EDV1 though | 19:52 |
| Pali | before it was edvf | 19:52 |
| Estel_ | Pali, but edv need to be for 15 seconds plus | 19:52 |
| Estel_ | or no calibration | 19:52 |
| Pali | really? | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | so shutting down on edv1 = no calibration, ever | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | yes | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | it calibrates after 15 sec of being on edv1, witohut jumping above limit | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | jumping above resets timer | 19:53 |
| Pali | ok, I will add some timeout | 19:53 |
| * Estel_ nod | 19:53 | |
| Estel_ | thanks | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | nods* | 19:53 |
| Estel_ | and what about my request to make it user configurable like charging current? | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | shouldn't be too troubling to code? | 19:54 |
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| Estel_ | you know, like charge current ot termination current | 19:54 |
| Estel_ | it's 70-100 mAh gain for big battery users, being able to set it lower | 19:55 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, some people may experience instability of gsm modem in certain situations even above edv1, so they could set it higher | 19:55 |
| Estel_ | ^ Pali | 19:56 |
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| narcos | Pali: Yeah dmesg sees the card | 19:59 |
| narcos | Well, saw, I'm trying a different card now | 19:59 |
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| ampharos[l] | no new updates? I'm on PR1.2... | 20:18 |
| kerio | fwiw you should reflash to install pr 1.3 properly | 20:19 |
| kerio | but meh, updating to cssu should work | 20:19 |
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| ampharos[l] | appearantly I need to upgrade to 1.3 first before CSSU | 20:20 |
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| juedan | What dbus messages are sent out when the N900 connects to the WLAN? | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, cssu update requires PR1.3 or Pr.1.3.1 | 20:48 |
| ampharos[l] | yeah that;s the problem... how do I install it | 20:48 |
| ampharos[l] | ham (delicious) says there's no updates | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since SSU update to PR1.3 happened like 2 years ago, or 3, it's literally expired ATM, so your best option is to flash COMBINED | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually wonder how anybody can have PR1.2 on his device nowadays | 20:51 |
| ampharos[l] | i just got it | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then you should reflash it anyway | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | full reflash | 20:51 |
| ampharos[l] | good idea | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 20:51 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:51 |
| ampharos[l] | havwn't done much so far | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | notice | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 20:53 |
| infobot | i guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia servers for flasher and fiasco images are defunct atm | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since Nemein detected some "security flaws" in the stage master on maeo.org that provides content to tablets-dev.nokia.com | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 20:54 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, who and why deleted ~poettering? | 20:55 |
| kerio | hold on, so tablets-dev is somewhere on *.maemo.org right? | 20:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how you can dare to take down stage master for tablets-dev and accept tablets-dev.nokia.com going down for months | 20:56 | |
| kerio | why can't we make it public? | 20:56 |
| kerio | also yes, someone deleted ~poettering | 20:56 |
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| kerio | make him pay | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did | 20:56 |
| kerio | D: | 20:57 |
| kerio | make yourself pay | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wasn't quite happy with it anymore | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a) it doesn't help teaching this guy to act in a less annoying way b) it made me look like an idiot, on factinfo | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to define a new factoid | 20:59 |
| ampharos[l] | it was a sad day when I saw "Checking for updates" on my N800 stall for a month | 21:00 |
| ampharos[l] | it's kinda back up, but now I have this N900 | 21:00 |
| kerio | yay n900 | 21:00 |
| ampharos[l] | and now i wait for it to charge | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c) it didn't meet infobot factoid database standards for correct and eloquent english | 21:02 |
| ampharos[l] | sucks I'm using the charger and the av cable, but the earbuds from the N800 are still great anyways, all my TVs are CRTs, and everyone have 500 USB chargers lying around anyways | 21:02 |
| ampharos[l] | *missing | 21:02 |
| kerio | i actually checked | 21:03 |
| kerio | none of my usb chargers reach 1A | 21:03 |
| * eccerr0r needs to get a "good" charger... | 21:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:03 |
| kerio | except for the nokia wallcharger obviously | 21:03 |
| ampharos[l] | i have a bunch of nokia 2.5mm ended ones | 21:04 |
| ampharos[l] | because for some reason I have a stack of C3-00s (that I can cannabilize for batteries - series 40 sucks) and my N800... and a brick that makes calls | 21:04 |
| * eccerr0r needs to open his n900 and *really* solder the microusb port on... | 21:06 | |
| ampharos[l] | i have no idea if my N900 is US or global | 21:06 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: global | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gloobal | 21:07 |
| kerio | no, global | 21:07 |
| ampharos[l] | global | 21:07 |
| ampharos[l] | s a universal firmware? | 21:07 |
| kerio | yep | 21:07 |
| ampharos[l] | stupid apostrophe - i keep hitting it and enter at the same time | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there seem to be some small differences in modem firmware for US, but nobody ever reported anything but troubles during flashing with the US modem firmware | 21:08 |
| kerio | weeeeeeeeeell, the fmtx changes too | 21:08 |
| ampharos[l] | (also - N900 is my first device that does WPS - never had to hit the button on my router before, ever) | 21:08 |
| ampharos[l] | i'm in canada - i think we use US freq. though | 21:09 |
| kerio | some regions don't have it enabled | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: oh right | 21:09 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: oh shit, disable it immediately | 21:09 |
| ampharos[l] | yeah | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ampharos[l]: it's not about frequencies (except for FMTX maybe) | 21:09 |
| kerio | seriously | 21:09 |
| kerio | it can be bruteforced in a couple of hours | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a couple of seconds | 21:10 |
| eccerr0r | which is worse... WPS or WEP... | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WPS | 21:10 |
| ampharos[l] | both at the same time | 21:10 |
| kerio | they're both awful | 21:10 |
| ampharos[l] | while wireless n is off... | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WPS is sophisticated BS while WEP is silly simple BS | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WWEP has better compatibility | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WEP even | 21:11 |
| eccerr0r | so I guess WPS is worse :D | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if I had the choice, I'd opt for WEP any day | 21:12 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: wps uses an 8 digit pin | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody needs or wants WPS | 21:12 |
| ampharos[l] | what pin? | 21:12 |
| kerio | but the 8th digit is a checksum, so it's 7 digits | 21:12 |
| kerio | and the first four can be checked independently, because the implementers apparently never so much *looked* at a security book | 21:12 |
| kerio | so that's 11000 tries at worst to enter your network | 21:13 |
| eccerr0r | you know what's crappy security? n900 security lock, heh... | 21:13 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: wps has a numeric pin access too | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing like N900 security lock | 21:13 |
| kerio | s/ lock// | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, that's crappy security ;-P | 21:14 |
| eccerr0r | :D | 21:14 |
| eccerr0r | might be worth to setup cryptoloop or something... :\ just no hw security. | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you meant device lock, it's only to block your kids and friends to play with your phone while you're pooping | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | once you got physical possession of some hw, there's hardly every decent security in such hw anymore | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/every/ever/ | 21:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: once you got physical possession of some hw, there's hardly ever decent security in such hw anymore | 21:16 |
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| ampharos[l] | why not use it while pooping? | 21:17 |
| ampharos[l] | for the longest time my n800 was my toilet companion | 21:17 |
| eccerr0r | :D | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even some supposedly hardened security usb storage sticks are cheating like .... | 21:17 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: laptop | 21:17 |
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| eccerr0r | my n900 is usually in my pocket, my laptop isn't... :( | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like e.g. simply EXORing the data with a plaintext pasphrase, if at all | 21:18 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how are those supposed to work anyway | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they have a "unlock app" in .inf | 21:19 |
| kerio | meh | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 21:19 |
| ampharos[l] | i hjave a laptop | 21:19 |
| eccerr0r | the n900 is a more convenient toilet companion than even my ultrabook... :( | 21:20 |
| ampharos[l] | i don't want to lug a large laptop to the bathroom | 21:20 |
| ampharos[l] | or piss splashes up into the battery of fans | 21:21 |
| eccerr0r | or netbook even... have one of those too... but by golly the keyboard sucks on the n900 still :\ | 21:21 |
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| kerio | ampharos[l]: dude you're not supposed to put the laptop *in* the toilet | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's a panasonic toughbook ;-P | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which wouldn't deserve but could stand it | 21:22 |
| kerio | even then... | 21:22 |
| ampharos[l] | it's a nokia | 21:22 |
| ampharos[l] | what's the worst that could happen? the toilet breaks | 21:23 |
| ampharos[l] | my N800, C3 stack and 3595 are relegated to "beat people with" | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toilet breaking on pana CF-29 only | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better use Cf-29 to beat people with, as well. It's Afghanistan-proved | 21:24 |
| ampharos[l] | i have no toughbook | 21:24 |
| ampharos[l] | would a thinkpad do in a pinch? 486, but tough as nails like all TPs | 21:24 |
| ampharos[l] | except the keyboard, this particular thinkpad has a folding keyboard | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin TP T500 fan broke for me after 7 months | 21:25 |
| ampharos[l] | i have a 701cs - motherboard ram is bad | 21:25 |
| ampharos[l] | 486 DX4 @ 75 Mhz, 24 MB RAM, 520 MB disk, folding keyboard, it';s pretty cool | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm back to decent mini tower, which is a whole new feeling of comuting | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more overheating, RAW CPU GRUNT | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i5 | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and SSD | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck T500 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 21:27 |
| ampharos[l] | i have a fast modern (Pentium D, but it's as good as it gets here) computer, but every so often I put my Pentium /// back - with linux she's fast | 21:27 |
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| ampharos[l] | i kill all pentium 4s - they have wronged be for being crap | 21:27 |
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| ampharos[l] | by kill I mean harvest their body | 21:27 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: Panasonic recommends Windows 8. | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, for sure not for CF-29 | 21:28 |
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| ampharos[l] | ui'm running my P3 right now - maxed ram, 500 mhz CPU... all I need is USB2 and a front panel plug and it'd be a fine flashing machine | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes it's true, some of the pana TB peripherals are hard to get working non-M$ drivers for | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like the touchscreen | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which now "works" under fedora on my CF-29 | 21:29 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: ask DocScrutinizer05 for the specs of his latest computer | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: do you really suggest I need to do a dd now just to brag a bit? | 21:30 |
| ampharos[l] | 5600 RPM IDE disk... not the fastest, but it's better than a dead disk | 21:30 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: SSDs cheat, anyway | 21:30 |
| kerio | you're never actually waiting for a flash page erase | 21:30 |
| ampharos[l] | also, don't underestimate the performance of a Core 2/Core based Celeron | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if they cheat, then they do that *very* good and in a convenient way | 21:31 |
| ampharos[l] | those things are nippy and fast | 21:31 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: don't be silly | 21:31 |
| ampharos[l] | if I had a dual-core in that laptop she'd fly | 21:31 |
| ampharos[l] | I have low standards, possibly set by using Vista with 1 GB RAM for a year | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I sustained >500MB/s write speed for >45s | 21:31 |
| ampharos[l] | and now I run Windows 8 with 1 GB RAM | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then the copy been finished | 21:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but you get to a point where you get diminishing returns | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | ampharos[l], makes me sick just by hearing about it | 21:32 |
| ampharos[l] | slightly hard multitasking (vm, browser, or a game, pick 2) | 21:32 |
| ampharos[l] | but it works, and DDR2 is expensive | 21:32 |
| ampharos[l] | i make everyone cringe, but I'm not made of money | 21:32 |
| Estel_ | anything above xp with windows in name is uneatable | 21:32 |
| ampharos[l] | xp was terrible | 21:32 |
| ampharos[l] | insecurty os | 21:32 |
| kerio | i mean, 1080p60 porn with 7.1 uncompressed audio... | 21:33 |
| Estel_ | said guy who's using 8 And used vista :D | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | vista was better (after patches, never used 7, skipped to 8) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it *worked* kind of | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | vista was secure and modern, and as long as you didn't use a Pentium 4 it was fine performance wise | 21:33 |
| Estel_ | xp was as secure as any windows it if you install shitload of patches and have sane firewall soft on router | 21:33 |
| Estel_ | preferably powered by linux :P | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vista was PITA-MAXIMA | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | i rmemeber not being able to install AV for years | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | or updates | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | so screw xp | 21:33 |
| ampharos[l] | vista was fine after slimming and patches | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | I never used any AV on XP for years withnout problems, since it was behind good router with better firewall | 21:34 |
| ampharos[l] | as I said, skipped 7, but it seemed to be Vista SP3 | 21:34 |
| kerio | >vista after slimming and patches | 21:34 |
| Sicelo | ampharos[l] speaks exactly like one of our MS 'gurus' at work | 21:34 |
| Sicelo | :P | 21:34 |
| kerio | that *is* windows 7 | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | vista and fine is funny in one sentence | 21:34 |
| ampharos[l] | i run debian 6 | 21:34 |
| Sicelo | he also skipped 7 | 21:34 |
| ampharos[l] | it's fine, and so is ubuntu LTS | 21:34 |
| kerio | "i run debian 6" is also funny | 21:34 |
| Estel_ | Sicelo, lol :P | 21:34 |
| ampharos[l] | stable is stable | 21:34 |
| ampharos[l] | it's never broke | 21:34 |
| kerio | stable is *old as fuck* | 21:35 |
| kerio | which is the point, really | 21:35 |
| ampharos[l] | RHEL didn't work at all on my box, so, yay? | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | ampharos[l], then windows xp is bleeding edge in windows world, as everything later is backward :P | 21:35 |
| Estel_ | step backward | 21:35 |
| Sicelo | i still think he sucks, lol. | 21:35 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: my debian systems, even the one on my server, start with good intentions and then eventually degenerate to sid/experimental hybrids | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you needed 3h of hacking to make things work on vista that worked OOTB on XP, and you couldn't get stuff to work at all on vista that you needed 3h of hacking to make it work on XP | 21:35 |
| ampharos[l] | i'm using backports, so... | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | Į still have windoze in one machine, and it's xp. If it ever get replaced, it will be another gnu/linux | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | sometiomes I pull in Ubuntu PPAs, because I can | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, haha | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | it works, sometimes | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | <em>sometimes</em> | 21:36 |
| kerio | and right now, i still can't figure out a way to install steam on debian sid | 21:36 |
| kerio | fucking ubuntu | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | steam if fu | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | but I have a rage pro, so no steam | 21:36 |
| Estel_ | use GoG :P | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | I tried Steam on Ubuntu | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | it was buggy as hell | 21:36 |
| ampharos[l] | insane bugs | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | another drm nonsense | 21:37 |
| kerio | Estel_: team fortress 2 | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | though my Intel chipset was VMWare SVGA | 21:37 |
| Sicelo | no offence ampharos[l], but this is the same guy who has brought a big company to a grinding halt, too stubborn to install an antivirus, because he can 'patch' stuff. | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | no idea why people ever use it, if GOG is cheaper, DRM free, more friendly, and got better games | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | tf2 | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | i want to play tf2 but steam is buggy | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | it' | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | s buggy in windows | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | it's insanely buggy on linux | 21:37 |
| ampharos[l] | it's just frustrating | 21:37 |
| Estel_ | steam == buggy drm shit | 21:37 |
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| Estel_ | GoG == no problem | 21:38 |
| ampharos[l] | i just bought an xbox instead, isolates drm to that while my linux boxes are drm free | 21:38 |
| ampharos[l] | gog doesn't have tf2 | 21:38 |
| ampharos[l] | only reason people use steam | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | can't get why some* people buy consoles, but, whatever | 21:38 |
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| Estel_ | whatever it is :P | 21:38 |
| kerio | ok, to be fair, team fortress 2 is kinda awful nowadays | 21:38 |
| kerio | or maybe i just grew bored of it after ~450 hours | 21:38 |
| ampharos[l] | it's too big | 21:38 |
| ampharos[l] | 12.2 gb asasdsdf | 21:38 |
| Estel_ | no idea, mods to Arma are better :P | 21:39 |
| kerio | *the one mod to Arma with zombies | 21:39 |
| ampharos[l] | i'd play arma but I didn't like the first OpFlashpoint so.... | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | To Each His Own | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | kerio, I would love if they would replace zombie apocalypse with fallout'ish like apocalypse | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | but, you can't have everything | 21:39 |
| Estel_ | at least we would have something fallout 3 should be, and what it wasn't :P | 21:39 |
| ampharos[l] | ...destiny looks good, fallout style sci-fi multiplay post-apoc | 21:40 |
| ampharos[l] | I'm waiting though. I never buy games on release, I wait first | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | as for fallout'ish games, wasteland 2 and nothing else matters | 21:40 |
| ampharos[l] | wasteland 2 does look good | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: hi pal! | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | can even forgive them not being FOSS :P | 21:40 |
| kerio | nowadays, i mostly play red eclipse, and that's open source | 21:40 |
| ampharos[l] | i play doom 2 | 21:40 |
| Estel_ | well, wasteland is kickstarter-founded | 21:41 |
| ampharos[l] | and counter-stike: GO | 21:41 |
| Pali | infobot: deb2dsc is on http://pastebin.com/ZPuYnZPr | 21:41 |
| infobot | okay, Pali | 21:41 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: try red eclipse! | 21:41 |
| kerio | it's a hardcore casual fps | 21:41 |
| Estel_ | Pali, have you missed my rationale for sysfs entry for setting treeshold for shutting down device? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: sorry that's BS, since pastebin entries expire rather quickly | 21:41 |
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| Estel_ | also, Palip if you set times, it may be flawed too | 21:41 |
| ampharos[l] | i love fast-paced shooters, but too many have a hardcore attitude "omg scrub leave" | 21:42 |
| ampharos[l] | i like a relaxing one | 21:42 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: http://www.redeclipse.net/ | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | 15 seconds after edv1 require voltage to be below edv1 whole time | 21:42 |
| Pali | ON DEC 15TH, 2012 EXPIRES: NEVER | 21:42 |
| ampharos[l] | i'll try it when I switch computers | 21:42 |
| ampharos[l] | my rage pro only has working 3d in arch, and hahaha no | 21:42 |
| Estel_ | so timer xxx seconds after edv1 will still result in no calibration, most of the times | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ok then | 21:42 |
| ampharos[l] | i like my system working when I update | 21:42 |
| kerio | ampharos[l]: it's got a ton of silly modes | 21:42 |
| ampharos[l] | silly is good | 21:42 |
| Pali | Estel_ not possible to create sysfs entry, because shutdown is called by dsme | 21:42 |
| kerio | and obviously people only play instagib :P | 21:42 |
| Pali | not kernel driver | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | either you recreate what bq27x00 does, or make it user configurable, which sounds better and less pita | 21:43 |
| ampharos[l] | I loved halo 3, slow paced but lots of silly game modes possible | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | Pali, ok, so whatever else to configure it? | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | config file? | 21:43 |
| kerio | gconf entry | 21:43 |
| kerio | for hald-addon-bme | 21:43 |
| Pali | hm, I will create something | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | be blessed, son | 21:43 |
| Estel_ | as current implementation is driving me nuts | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: though here "expires:" is empty | 21:44 |
| Pali | read gconf key on hal startup, could be possible | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pastebin.com is a bitch anyway | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | yes, said! | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | (tm) | 21:44 |
| ampharos[l] | i liek pastie.org | 21:44 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, zerobin sounds like OK | 21:44 |
| ampharos[l] | works real nice | 21:44 |
| kerio | Pali: hm, why startup? | 21:44 |
| Pali | kerio, because handling gconf change needs more code | 21:45 |
| ampharos[l] | of course if your logfile or something grew into megabytes (eww) i like uploading it whole on omploader | 21:45 |
| kerio | Pali: hal can't be really restarted though | 21:45 |
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| kerio | so you'd have to reboot | 21:45 |
| Pali | kerio, hal can be restarted | 21:45 |
| Pali | but due nokia it is very tricky | 21:45 |
| Pali | nokia did not implemented hal stop properly via upstart | 21:46 |
| Pali | proper way yo stop hal is: sudo stop hal; sleep 5; sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop | 21:46 |
| Pali | and then make sure with ps that hal is really not running | 21:46 |
| Pali | starting is possible (when not running) with start hal | 21:47 |
| kerio | Pali: anyway, gconf configurations often work automagically at any time | 21:47 |
| kerio | so please consider having that configurable at ~any time | 21:48 |
| Pali | kerio, if you have handler --> yes | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for file in $(find deb/usr/share/doc/ -name $file -type f); do | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if test ! -f "$file"; then continue; fi | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | double test for -f, path relative to CWD | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while former is redundant, the latter might be what you intended | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gunzip -c "$file" > debian/changelog | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if test "$?" != "0"; then continue; fi | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | == gunzip -c "$file" > debian/changelog || continue; | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ( I personally prefer [ ] over test... Matter of taste I guess) | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the "]" however helps to keep stuff readable and doublechecked | 21:56 |
| eccerr0r | [ ... the command that looks like a delimiter... | 22:05 |
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| ampharos[l] | where did the windows flasher go>? | 22:24 |
| ampharos[l] | it wasn't mirrored | 22:26 |
| ampharos[l] | and i don't feel like setting it up on linux | 22:26 |
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| Estel_ | use 0xFFFF on linux to flash N900 | 22:29 |
| Estel_ | ~0xFFFF | 22:29 |
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| ampharos[l] | yeah but I don't want to reboot and find 32-bit libusb and stuff | 22:30 |
| ampharos[l] | i'm already booted into windows on the flashtop | 22:31 |
| Estel_ | sorry, no idea where it's mirrored. Use cygwin? :D | 22:31 |
| ampharos[l] | mingw for life! | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ampharos[l]: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ -> "maemo5 for nokia" -> "Command line flasher binaries are available *here*." | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe3635195Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Windows 7, XP and Vista (x86, 32-bit) | 22:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what for a 50EUR per month for server get paid by a volunteer each month, when people don't even bother to follow some links to find what they search for | 22:45 | |
| ShadowJK | is it behind the tmo link? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | the mirror info | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 22:46 |
| infobot | hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 22:46 |
| infobot | it has been said that skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 22:46 |
| kerio | what the fucking fuck, "iputils-ping" is a symlink to busybox | 22:50 |
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| kerio | ~pkg | 22:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 22:50 |
| narcos | Hm, to install the power-kernel from .deb pacakges, what more do I need to do than "dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb , dpkg -i kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb , dpkg -i kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb" ? | 22:51 |
| kerio | oh nvm | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | marseems sufficient | 22:55 |
| kerio | narcos: that's correct, yes | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: ^^^ | 22:56 |
| kerio | well, you probably also want kernel-power-settings | 22:56 |
| kerio | but that's in the repos | 22:56 |
| ampharos[l] | it's all flashed now | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you dont | 22:56 |
| ampharos[l] | 20.2010.36-2 is latest, hmm? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 22:57 |
| ampharos[l] | awesome, thanks | 22:57 |
| narcos | kerio, DocScrutinizer: After the above commands, and rebooting, 'uname -a' doesn't give me a power-kernlel ? | 22:57 |
| kerio | it should | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:58 |
| kerio | especially the flasher | 22:58 |
| kerio | Linux kerio900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Thu Feb 14 17:38:57 CET 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux | 22:58 |
| Sicelo | why are you installing an old one btw? | 22:58 |
| kerio | oh, wait | 22:58 |
| kerio | what the hell | 22:58 |
| kerio | indeed, why are you installing version 46 | 22:58 |
| narcos | uname -r ==> "2.6.28-omap1" | 22:58 |
| kerio | i totally missed the version | 22:59 |
| narcos | Hm, I don't know why - I got it from an old backup it seems | 22:59 |
| narcos | and I had the .debs handy on a microsd card | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i didn't bother since narcos asked "is it sufficient" not is it correct | 22:59 |
| kerio | grab the KP52 debs from tmo | 22:59 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer: Er, sorry, is it correct, then? | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you probably want KP52 nowadays | 23:00 |
| eccerr0r | dang, i'm still running 2.6.28-omap1... need to update... | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at very least kp48 | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 23:01 |
| infobot | well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 23:01 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: So, from my above commands s/maemo46/maemo52/g ? | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds kinda right, yes | 23:02 |
| kerio | it would be -power52 | 23:02 |
| kerio | but yes | 23:02 |
| * narcos looks for the debs | 23:02 | |
| narcos | ~mirror | 23:02 |
| infobot | well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 23:02 |
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| kerio | no | 23:03 |
| kerio | kp52 isn't autobuilt | 23:03 |
| kerio | so it's not in repos | 23:03 |
| narcos | ah | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 23:03 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 23:03 |
| narcos | Great, thanks, *reads* | 23:04 |
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| narcos | So, to confirm, I need to add the extra-devel source, right? As with my 'out of the box' n900 I see '2.6.28-10power50' in the Hildon? | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *somewhere* in that lengthy thread Pali has buried the debs for kp52 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart Pali | 23:08 |
| * infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Pali is stuck to the floor | 23:08 | |
| * narcos looks | 23:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find those on tmo thread, download them and install similar to above dpkg -i | 23:09 |
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| Pali | fix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go fix it yourself! | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1241732&postcount=1 !! | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only augmenting it with a link to more recent sources of info and debs | 23:11 |
| narcos | Page 15 it seems - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665&page=15 | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: :nod: | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'm tempted to clone builder VM, link it to xen and to a free IP, and appoint you for master sysop and maintainer | 23:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to prove to him that it's not easy, or to get a working autobuilder? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you can go all day and night for "fix extras-devel and kp52 will be installable by HAM" | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: whatever happens first ;-) | 23:20 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Does the order matter ? | 23:22 |
| narcos | ( i.e. is dpkg -i *.deb OK ) | 23:22 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, first post updated | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: thanks | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: well, it kinda matters due to dependencies, I usually do dpkg -i kernel modules flasher; 3 times, after that all went thru ;-) | 23:24 |
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| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Heh, gotcha. | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or dpkg -i *.deb | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 times | 23:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i thought you were allergic to anything with a "-power" in the name | 23:25 |
| narcos | 3 is the magic number? | 23:25 |
| kerio | narcos: dpkg sucks at dependency resolving | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, but then I actually do NOT install PK usually either | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: 3 is the number of pkgs to install | 23:26 |
| kerio | kernel-power-flasher has kernel-power as a pre-dependency | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: on each run it will install at least one | 23:26 |
| kerio | so you're supposed to manually install kernel-power first | 23:26 |
| kerio | and then, once kernel-power is fully installed, install kernel-power-flasher | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or simply do dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb; dpkg -i *.deb | 23:27 |
| narcos | DocScrutinizer05: Oh right, clumsy | 23:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: shaddup | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best case your sequence is completely right and all three get installed by first run of dpkg while 2 and 3 are void, or worst case it's all inverted so it installs only one pkg per run | 23:28 |
| narcos | Right, 3rd time lucky, *reboots* | 23:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: kernel-power-modules is just a regular package, so you only need two runs anyway | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | counting takes longer than pressing shift-ctrl-v | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or cursor-up, enter | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never use your brain when there's a failsafe procedure where you don't need to | 23:32 |
| narcos | Hello power-kernel. | 23:32 |
| narcos | Thanks guys. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather use the gained free "wetware CPU cycles" to think about the procedure and if it can get improved ;-) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's optimization | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | narcos: yw | 23:34 |
| narcos | Hm, I can't seem to find in my IRC logs, merlin1991 gave me a link the other day for adding Extras-devel to my sources ? | 23:36 |
| narcos | ( That wasn't a question was it, rather, what's the best way to add the source? ) | 23:36 |
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| kerio | http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install | 23:37 |
| merlin1991 | narcos: there's always http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ or what kerio said :D | 23:38 |
| narcos | merlin1991: Ah! I didn't realise all of this was being recorded. | 23:38 |
| narcos | I'd better put a shrit on. | 23:38 |
| narcos | ta kerio, merlin1991 | 23:38 |
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| narcos | Odd, github.com seems a bit borked. I can't browse any source via the browser. | 23:52 |
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| ampharos[l] | there a backlight control applet? I'm missing how on my N800 I could set the backlight however I wanted | 23:56 |
| ampharos[l] | it goes darker than my N800 though | 23:56 |
| ampharos[l] | that' | 23:57 |
| ampharos[l] | s nice if I didn't have to open settings each time | 23:57 |
| kerio | mce only has 5 levels, there's a "simple backlight applet" for the status menu | 23:57 |
| ampharos[l] | just clock, profile, internet, bt, and presence | 23:57 |
| kerio | it's not preinstalled | 23:57 |
| ampharos[l] | oh right | 23:58 |
| ampharos[l] | i'm slightly stupid | 23:58 |
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