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| Macer | http://www.irs.gov/file_source/pub/irs-pdf/f4506a.pdf | 00:04 |
| Macer | Estel_: huh? | 00:05 |
| Macer | no not really... i need to send one in for another organization anyways | 00:05 |
| Macer | so i can kill 2 birds with one stone :) | 00:05 |
| Macer | Public disclosure by the organizatin. Exempt or political organizations must make their returns, reports, notices, and exempt applications available for public inspection. You can visit the organization to insepct the material instead of requesting it from the IRS. The organization may be able to mail the copies to you. | 00:06 |
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| Macer | ok. so i just made the request in their "contact us" section of hildonfoundation.org | 00:12 |
| Macer | so lets see what happens :) | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: they will cheer since they got nothing to do and you give them an interesting task to deal with, so they don't feel bored the whole day | 00:19 |
| Macer | lol | 00:19 |
| Macer | well they do have a donar wall | 00:19 |
| Macer | and since dec 12 they're up to 3300 net | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 00:20 |
| Macer | i wonder what the fee is that costs them like 5% | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf?? paypal | 00:20 |
| Macer | 100 -4.2 95.8 | 00:20 |
| Macer | 4.2% | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you send them a letter to find out about that?? | 00:21 |
| Macer | 100 gross 4.20 fee 95.80 net | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | T F go to paypal and read about their fees! | 00:21 |
| Macer | lol.. paypal is 4.2% for a transaction? | 00:21 |
| Macer | that's harsh | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of pestering us with nonsense | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | actually, nonsense is better than silence | 00:22 |
| Macer | Small Fee - PayPal fees mainly apply to sellers, who pay a 2.9% transaction fee on the total sale amount plus a $0.30 fee per transaction. | 00:22 |
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| MohammadAG | http://thefeecalculator.com/ | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: come to where I am and listen the "silence" | 00:23 |
| Macer | You can also use a debit or credit card or make an international transfer for a small fee. | 00:23 |
| Macer | hm .. could be the international fee | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | http://salecalc.com/paypal actually this shows fees more | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, I'm having a hard day already | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | I got a 1 star rating for the first time :( | 00:24 |
| Macer | 3.9% for international "sales" but are nfps considered "sales" ? heh | 00:25 |
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| Macer | oh | 00:26 |
| Macer | nfp is 2.2% | 00:26 |
| Macer | If sending $100.00, the amount that will go to fees is $2.50 and the recipient will receive $97.50. That's 2.5% going to fees, effectively. | 00:27 |
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| Macer | so i'm a bit curious why the hildon foundation fee was 4.2%.. i don't think international rates apply for nfp but who knows but nearly double even if? | 00:28 |
| Macer | then people wonder why i don't donate to charity :) cancer society only has 15% of its money going towards actual research while its ceo drives a 6 figure car | 00:29 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: 4.2% from paypal isn't that bad if you consider that credit card companies take about 2-3% for nothing | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | Macer: as in, they have no risk (it's bank that has to pay out in case of any problems) and it costs them almost nothing (bank pays for cards as well) | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | Macer: paypal at least bears some part of the risk | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | but well, yeah, charities suck | 00:43 |
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| Macer | but paypal says it's 2.2 for nfp... so where is the other 2% coming from in the fee? | 00:48 |
| Macer | paypal most likely gets a nice little tax break for transmitting money to nfp at a reduced rate :) | 00:48 |
| Macer | they get to put pink ribbons and what not on their site during breast cancer month or whatever | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | paypal in practice is mostly arbitrary | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | their dispute resolution process is powered by a random number generator that is tilted 99% in favour of whatever gives paypal the most money | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's not | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | it's in favour of the buyer. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | almost all the time. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | sellers getting defrauded and offloading the costs onto the seller is OK. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | buyers getting defrauded are what they are worried about. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | if the buyer sends you back a brick, tracked, you in essentially 100% of disputes will lose. | 01:00 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: lol | 01:03 |
| Macer | ebay owns paypal doesn't it? | 01:04 |
| Macer | or vice versa? | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:05 |
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| Macer | they should have named it ebaynk | 01:08 |
| Macer | for the most part transactions seem to work out rather well on ebay. at least in my experience | 01:08 |
| Macer | then again tho nowadays it seems that ebay is nothing but buy it nows | 01:09 |
| Macer | might as well shop at amazon.. every now and then you may come across some niche thing to bid on :) | 01:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm pissed that they gutted search | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | wildcards now don't work | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | good luck finding - for example - things with a year in the title where you want one of a couple of decades | 01:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | and yes, the example of a workaround was the retarded one | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I buy cheap Chinese electronic crap | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | couple of SPI 128x64 1" OLED modules showed up today. | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Lithium-Battery-Digital-Voltmeter-DC-3-3v-17V-Blue-LED-Small-Panel-Meter-/170846277331 | 01:29 |
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| Macer | blue LEDs! | 01:30 |
| Macer | wooooo! | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: please stop suggesting that HiFo is rogue and stealing your money! | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo has no NFP paypal account, if that helps | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to make you stop that BS | 02:18 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: oh .... i'm sorry. didn't think i was being rude or anything. but someone has to ask these questions.. you never know :) either way. i sent in the foia request a while ago. | 02:26 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't they have a nfp account? that seems a bit odd. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since they have terrible problems getting their sh*t sorted, with bank accounts and whatnot | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're waiting for a proper bank account to transfer money without using paypal since day one of roof-on-fire campaign | 02:28 |
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| Macer | hm. why wouldn't you use paypal? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until recently they used cosimo's private paypal account afaik | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many people don't like PP | 02:29 |
| Macer | for an instant wire xfer of funds 2.2% is actually pretty decent | 02:29 |
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| Macer | i would guess that using visa/mc/amex would probably cost more | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and international bank transfer is *extremely* expensive | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | PayPal sucks. | 02:30 |
| Macer | as well as require a donar to possess one of those cards | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more like 15% plus a fixum on top | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | the alternatives generally suck more. | 02:30 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: exactly.. a lot more | 02:30 |
| Macer | especially if paypal has a flat rate on nfp | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed. | 02:30 |
| Macer | i wired my sisterm $100 one day through a bank wire xfer... i had no idea it was so expensive | 02:31 |
| Macer | they charged me $20 and her $20 on the other end.. that's outrageous | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are actually people in this world that don't have a card at all | 02:31 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: that too.. paypal allows the use of bank acct numbers | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | mobile payment is taking off in a big way in Kenya and some other countries | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | to the extent of moving ~20% of GDP | 02:32 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: there's always the lump of cash in the envelope lol | 02:32 |
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| Macer | but either way... seems like a while just to get a bank account going and registered as a nfp account then registering with paypal | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, here we got banks that take that money and transfer it to the bank account you tell them to. Actually they also take 7.50EUR for that now | 02:33 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: here too but they charge you outrageous fees | 02:34 |
| Macer | it is really only practical for business use for large sums | 02:34 |
| Macer | and even then i'd rather mail a check lol.. out of spite | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me what they thought or did, it's not exactly easy at least here in Germany where Cosimo lives, to open a bank account for an american NFP | 02:35 |
| Macer | really? i figured ze germans would be incredibly efficient at such things ;) | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably similarly difficult for HiFo's cashier Cosimo to open a bank account in USA | 02:36 |
| Macer | does the bank account have to be in the US with paypal donars? | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | We are incredibly efficient with stopping money washing | 02:37 |
| Macer | oh haha | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the small business | 02:37 |
| Macer | money washing lol | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for big business we do nothing | 02:37 |
| Macer | so they can just be smuggling drug money in at out with no regulation | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever the term in English, been too lazy to look it up | 02:37 |
| Macer | but the bread shop on the corner is suspect :) | 02:37 |
| Macer | laundering ;) | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 02:38 |
| Macer | similar word tho i suppose | 02:38 |
| Macer | i just figured that's what they called it in eu | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeag "money laundry" or "wash the money" | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 02:39 |
| Macer | ironically enough most dictionaries nowadays probably consider the money definition as the first definition of launder | 02:39 |
| Macer | and not the washing clothes definition :) | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually officially called Geldwaeschegesetz afaik | 02:40 |
| Macer | what is the literal translation? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Money Laundry Law | 02:41 |
| Macer | oh... waesche looks like wash heh | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gwG | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GwG | 02:41 |
| Macer | gesetz is law or act? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both | 02:43 |
| Macer | it'd odd how Germans string 3 words along like that.. but i suppose english does the same thing but compound words are a bit rare | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ihk-nuernberg.de/de/Geschaeftsbereiche/Recht-Steuern/Rechtsauskuenfte/Allg.-Rechtsauskuenfte-Vertragsrecht2/Geldwaeschegesetz.html | 02:43 |
| Macer | even tho we do use a lot of greek and latin prefixes/suffixes etc so i suppose that could be considered the same method | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglish | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^F compound | 02:47 |
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| Macer | gerglish lol | 03:01 |
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| Macer | This is often called Deppenleerstelle, or Deppenleerzeichen which means idiot's space, incorrectly separating parts of a compound word. | 03:03 |
| Macer | HAHAHAHA | 03:04 |
| Macer | nice! | 03:04 |
| Macer | smoking means dinner suit? :) | 03:05 |
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| Macer | trampen is hitchhiking? :) | 03:06 |
| Macer | i think ze germans got that one wrong heh | 03:06 |
| Macer | as well as bodybag | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bodybag is a nice one, yeah ;-P | 03:20 |
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| merlin1991 | ze germans, are you waiting for them? | 03:22 |
| Snafu777 | mein kamph! | 03:27 |
| Snafu777 | ze germans zare no zmatch! | 03:27 |
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| ruskie | http://www.gizmag.com/nokia-105-mobile-phone-month-long-battery-life/26413/ <-- I think I found my next phone | 11:43 |
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| zsolt | hello.use scratchbox2.the mirror is outdated.need to change it | 15:39 |
| zsolt | when i use install tools it tryes to fetch from debian.org,but lenny is moved to archive.debian.org | 15:41 |
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| kerio | so... i'm reflashing | 15:57 |
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| zsolt | looks like the maemo platform is completely abandoned | 16:00 |
| deepy | is it now? | 16:01 |
| kerio | deepy: clearly, people not responding to badly-phrased questions about systems that nobody likes are the sign that maemo is dead | 16:02 |
| kerio | i mean, people still HAVEN'T ANSWERED A QUESTION! | 16:02 |
| kerio | FROM ZSOLT! | 16:02 |
| deepy | Oh, I didn't realize it was a question | 16:02 |
| deepy | such are the times after lunch | 16:03 |
| zsolt | most of the maemo.org's links are out of date,try to download maemo sdk vm,can't find it | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 16:08 |
| infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 16:09 |
| infobot | methinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 16:09 |
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| kerio | GODDAMMIT FUCKING NOKIA HORSE FUCKERS AND THEIR FUCKING CHERRY | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | each flashing another pleasant surprise, right? ;-P | 16:16 |
| kerio | anyway, apparently there really isn't a way to avoid it on firstboot | 16:17 |
| kerio | like, there's no way to "cancel" | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I promise we'll nuke THAT one for everybody as soon as we have sufficient control over stuff (if ever) | 16:17 |
| kerio | and now the happy HAM times | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when cherry pops up, it's probably safe to power down device and remove SIM | 16:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's what i ended up doing | 16:19 |
| kerio | i hope | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then follow detailed instructions how to neuter that cherry shit and clean out hidden pending SMS | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly simple procedure | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it includes editing files iirg | 16:21 |
| kerio | hidden pending sms? really? :o | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 16:21 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 16:21 |
| thedead1440 | just to ask; its one sms right? Why take so much trouble for just one sms sent? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) it's my money, b) it's premium SMS money in some countries, c) it's not OK | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | d) to unregister that nonsensical service, "MyNokia" sends yet another SMS | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suckers | 16:24 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's like SPAM "click here if you don't want further mail from us" | 16:24 |
| thedead1440 | yup | 16:24 |
| jon_y | what does it send anyway? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to collect data about customers in an unlawful way | 16:25 |
| jon_y | SIM ID, phone number, what else? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm extremely surprised *nobody* has sued them for that all the time | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phone number and "N900" obviously | 16:26 |
| jon_y | I got a cheap Nokia-101 and they too ask to send sms | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sufficient to send you unsolicited spam SMS | 16:26 |
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| jon_y | at least you have the option to tell it to shutup and not send | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: *ask* is OK. *Enforce* and do in a sneaky way is *not* | 16:27 |
| jon_y | I don't remember seeing the option to not send in the n900 | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's none | 16:27 |
| jon_y | so just hold the power button to reboot and nuke it after that? | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, on next boot it shows up again | 16:28 |
| jon_y | well, nuke it after you reboot the first time | 16:29 |
| jon_y | I miss my n900, still under repairs | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *will* send that SMs, unless you remove SIM and then neuter/nuke the whole shit | 16:29 |
| jon_y | for more than a month | 16:29 |
| jon_y | will touch /home/user/.cherry_state | 16:30 |
| jon_y | kill it? | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, not if it already tried to send. then it will keep the hidden SMS in some .rtcom/* files iirc, until you insert SIM again | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | touch /home/user/.cherry_state only helps to stop it from ever sending that SMS | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so my advice on ~jrtools probably also is useless | 16:33 |
| jon_y | so start without sim, reboot, nuke it | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:33 |
| jon_y | and then insert sim | 16:33 |
| jon_y | ok, got it | 16:33 |
| Macer | the Symbian desktop w works like maemo community | 16:33 |
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| Macer | with the way it places icons when rotating | 16:34 |
| Macer | weird | 16:34 |
| Macer | belle is oddly incredibly to maemo | 16:34 |
| Macer | similar | 16:34 |
| Macer | is it just a qt thing? or a shift towards the meego look? | 16:35 |
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| kerio | why, oh why did i reflash | 16:38 |
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| kerio | goddammit why am i doing this | 17:29 |
| kerio | i don't want to do this | 17:29 |
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| jargon | still no extras-devel repo? | 17:32 |
| kerio | extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 17:33 |
| jargon | kerio: add that as a repo? | 17:34 |
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| kerio | ~bme-replacement | 18:45 |
| infobot | rumour has it, bme-replacement is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ | 18:45 |
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| teotwaki | test | 18:49 |
| teotwaki | s/$/ing | 18:49 |
| teotwaki | test | 18:49 |
| teotwaki | s/st/sting/ | 18:49 |
| infobot | teotwaki meant: testing | 18:50 |
| kerio | goddammit i'm only doing this because of the fucking Conversations aren't i | 18:52 |
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| kerio | ~rescueOS | 19:01 |
| infobot | from memory, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 19:01 |
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| Pali | NIN102: ping | 19:04 |
| Pali | can you include wifi FW into rescueOS? | 19:04 |
| zeq1 | Hi guys! | 19:04 |
| kerio | meh, fuck this shit, i'm restoring my backup | 19:06 |
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| NIN102 | Pali: no | 19:14 |
| Pali | why? | 19:14 |
| NIN102 | I am not sure about the licence situation etc. | 19:14 |
| Pali | license is redistributable | 19:14 |
| NIN102 | hmm, then maybe. | 19:15 |
| NIN102 | once I have time. | 19:15 |
| Pali | here is tarball: https://api.pub.meego.com/public/source/CE:Adaptation:N900/ti-wl1251-firmware/ti-wl1251-firmware_0.4.tar.bz2 | 19:15 |
| Pali | contains same firmware as in maemo rootfs | 19:16 |
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| n900-dk | Any Qvernote users here? | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | new tmo and new garage look good | 20:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | :-) | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wmo and mo/* are still suffering from smo issues (port81 botch) | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for bmo | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, bmo suffering db connectivity issues | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | smo up and fixed, wmo and mo/* working fine. lmo might work - missing proper URL to test it right now | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bmo still db-error | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare took an offtime so he doesn't get funny in the head from all this :-) MANY THANKS warfare!! AWESOME WORK! | 21:29 |
| kerio | WE LOVE YOU warfare!!! | 21:30 |
| kerio | <3 | 21:30 |
| kerio | hold on, an offtime from what | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from working on our new server day and night | 21:31 |
| n900-dk | Could we learn infobot about all the *mo's? | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo mo/* is http//maemo.org/* and http://www.maemo.org | 21:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo smo is static.maemo.org | 21:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo bmo is bugs.maemo.org | 21:32 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo lmo is lists.maemo.org aka mail.maemo.org | 21:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:33 |
| Lars- | People still use tge n900? | 21:33 |
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| Lars- | the | 21:34 |
| n900-dk | eh, yes :) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo db is a local virtual machine on ~mo/* that holds a database | 21:34 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo gmo is garage.maemo.org | 21:34 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 21:34 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do we have cute hostnames for the machines? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: same as they ever been | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we cloned the VM | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VMs even | 21:36 |
| kerio | hm, the blades are blade-a and blade-b | 21:36 |
| kerio | and not beavis and butthead | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got blade-a and blade-b for the dom0 | 21:36 |
| kerio | this makes me sad | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/dbc980e933 http://privatepaste.com/efd4817c83 | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Plan_for_migration_.2F_Timeline | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the ambiguous/bogus "location" column in that table | 21:44 |
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| n900-dk | what is the function of vcs/drop? | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | drop is where you upload stuff for autobuilder | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vcs is the sourcecode "repository" | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org | 21:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 21:59 |
| n900-dk | ok, thx DocScrutinizer05 | 21:59 |
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| dafox | DocScrutinizer05: hi :) Do you remember that last week we (briefly) discussed some font corruption? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but only on scrolling. Otherwise my memory is empty and clean | 22:01 |
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| dafox | exactly. I tracked down the problem, and it turned out to be something with fontconfig | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, so a sw problem :-) | 22:02 |
| dafox | Long long ago I put some custom font config rules on my phone (copied from my desktop), which somehow seems to cause this... | 22:02 |
| dafox | I got it down to this minimal working example: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5041622 | 22:02 |
| dafox | putting that as local.conf in /etc/fonts makes the fonts garble when scrolling upwards in some lists :/ | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo dmo is also vcs.maemo.org | 22:04 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo vmo is <reply>see #maemo dmo | 22:05 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~vmo | 22:05 |
| infobot | i guess #maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org, or vcs.maemo.org | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm | 22:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders | 22:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxxx is <reply>see #maemo vmo | 22:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxxx | 22:06 |
| infobot | methinks #maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org, or vcs.maemo.org | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* | 22:06 |
| n900-dk | bot is #maemofied :) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget xxxx | 22:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxxx | 22:06 |
| n900-dk | Will IPHH monitor OS on the VMs? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who? IPHH? nah, hardly | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll do | 22:08 |
| n900-dk | Ok, so we have a VM for monitoring? | 22:08 |
| kerio | we have a sysop for monitoring | 22:08 |
| n900-dk | heh | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.6/mrtg/ | 22:08 |
| n900-dk | I was think about disk capacity, CPU load and so on | 22:09 |
| n900-dk | not traffic | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll not make nagios / munin etc publicly accessable, for obvious reasons | 22:09 |
| n900-dk | sure, but we have it? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 22:09 |
| n900-dk | ok | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/dbc980e933 http://privatepaste.com/efd4817c83 | 22:10 |
| kerio | i also want a "ismaemoorgrunningrightnow.com" site | 22:10 |
| kerio | that statically says "YES" | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for YOU it will something customized though ;-P | 22:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's brilliant, dude | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will say* | 22:11 |
| kerio | you can just run it on the same web server | 22:11 |
| kerio | and "YES" will always be accurate | 22:11 |
| kerio | kinda like http://www.dyrmdaily.com/wp-content/themes/lcp_blu/images/garys-weather-stone-dyrmdaily-pic-of-the-day-570x426.jpg | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, you obviously never heard of the soviet russian method to switch off light when going to sleep | 22:12 |
| kerio | oh, it appears that i linked to a photoshopped racist version of that picture :s | 22:12 |
| kerio | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/phqfh1/wx-stone2.jpg this one is legit | 22:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, does it involve drinking vodka until you don't care anymore about the light? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take your kalashinov to shoot the lightbulb, then ignite a magnesia torch to see if you missed | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kalashnikov | 22:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and use your dashcam to record it? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard that's a standard joke in Soviet army | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, we have IPMI, dom0 xm top, and we will get munin and nagios | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe some minor keep-alive monitoring from IPHH facilities | 22:16 |
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| kerio | nagios is active surveillance, right? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup, afaik | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (no expert here9 | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can define alarms and triggers in nagios, I heard | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now we don't need monitoring, we need storage | 22:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: were the 2tb added? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo talked Nokia into sponsoring them (maybe), which is fine but has the downside of taking weeks | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so Nokia takes weeks, HiFo refuses to pay, I'll buy a single 2TB drive and ship it to Hamburg for warfare | 22:20 |
| kerio | probably easier and cheaper to send money instead | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I got ~60EUR of "own" donations here which i might use for that | 22:21 |
| kerio | how are we backing shit up? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I can't afford donating even more than I already do for other maemo related services) | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also if I did, some e*_ came bitching at me that I buy out maemo | 22:23 |
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| cehteh | .o(how about asking jolla for donations?) :P | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, new idea, very new idea | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems HiFo is responsible for (spoiling) this | 22:24 |
| cehteh | i dont follow the discussions much | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/open-letter-from-the-hildon-foundation-to-jolla | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/open-letter-from-the-hildon-foundation-to-jolla/#comment-41 which is a bit cryptic unless you know the background | 22:25 |
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| kerio | why would jolla give us money | 22:26 |
| kerio | we're direct competitors | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>however friendship is also about doing activities together to keep things alive<< and >>And to be honest and straightforward with advice from one another.<< are key sequences | 22:26 |
| cehteh | haha excellent :)) | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit they don't make that much sense unless you know the whole context and story and background | 22:27 |
| cehteh | i dont see jolla as competitior .. if they found the hifo they buy into the community | 22:27 |
| cehteh | but i dont think jolla has that much money to give on itself | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, they have just enough | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for 50 maemos | 22:28 |
| cehteh | well the'll prolly need it | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in their coffee cash | 22:28 |
| cehteh | looks like the firefox os gains momentum .. yet another player | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89280 and you get an idea what might have gone wrong | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with jolla | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on a general note you don't ask donors to sign a NDA about their own stuff, not even when they actually *had* such secret or closed blob stuff | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when a friend asks you to correct sone nonsensical statements you did about him in public, you can either follow or lose a friend - simple as that | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some* | 22:34 |
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| dafox | ok, forget the fontconfig stuff for now. My n900 seems to have developed an 'insensitive spot' on the touchscreen. When (lightly/normal pressure) pressing in this spot the touch will register at the spot's edge (discovered with the paint app). Any idea what might cause this (and what to do about it)? | 22:42 |
| dafox | it's about the size of a thumb-print | 22:42 |
| kerio | does it look any different? | 22:43 |
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| dafox | no, looks like normal, no discoloration | 22:43 |
| dafox | it's slightly to the right and up from the center of the screen | 22:44 |
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| dafox | suppose you divide the screen in cells, 4x4. Then from the top left it just about fills cell C2 | 22:44 |
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| Macer | lol | 22:50 |
| * Macer facepaml | 22:52 | |
| Macer | facepalm too | 22:52 |
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| kerio | anyway, i used my reflash as an excuse to repartition the emmc | 23:04 |
| kerio | then i got scared because i almost filled MyDocs with music | 23:04 |
| kerio | but then i realized that i have so much music i don't care about | 23:04 |
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| kerio | luf: i have a working PAN again! | 23:09 |
| luf | kerio: great! What was the problem? | 23:10 |
| kerio | i have no fucking clue | 23:10 |
| luf | kerio: :D :D | 23:11 |
| kerio | but i rebooted, deleted the "Bluetooth PAN" network interface, readded it, set it up again, re-paired | 23:11 |
| kerio | and now it works | 23:11 |
| kerio | after like 20 packets pass through with a "no route to host" | 23:11 |
| luf | Strange. | 23:11 |
| kerio | sorry, with a "Host is down" | 23:12 |
| kerio | http://pastebin.ca/2317262 | 23:12 |
| luf | kerio: Maybe the bt connection needs some time. But it's strange that the problem was in bridge ... | 23:12 |
| kerio | started the ping after clicking the "connect to network" on my laptop | 23:13 |
| kerio | and then literally did nothing | 23:13 |
| kerio | once it's open, it stays open | 23:13 |
| kerio | (although really, 40ms and the laptop is almost touching the n900, wtf bluetooth) | 23:13 |
| luf | kerio: it's not high performance ... | 23:14 |
| kerio | is that why all those fancy NFC things pretty much just set up a private wifi network and use that? | 23:15 |
| luf | I'm not sure. For sure wifi is more used/supported. | 23:16 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 23:16 |
| kerio | bluetooth 4 is basically a fancy way of setting up a wifi network | 23:16 |
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| luf | Why BT4? I don't catch the idea. | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafox: (spot) most likely and usually a m4ech defect of digitizer | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mech even | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so get a spare part and swap | 23:19 |
| eccerr0r | ok. i told pidgin configure it can shove it and use python 2.3... :D | 23:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i discovered that i had a modified patterns file, i had made the touch feedback vibro a bit stronger | 23:21 |
| kerio | i noticed it *immediately* | 23:21 |
| kerio | at which point it becomes obsession? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce.ini? | 23:21 |
| kerio | yes | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* I spent whole afternoons with just tuning tactile feedback of touchscreen clicks until i liked it | 23:22 |
| kerio | i think i toyed with it for an afternoon | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we got a N900, no? | 23:23 |
| kerio | and then i forgot it | 23:23 |
| kerio | indeed | 23:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 glares at closed blob dialer | 23:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with hatred | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | can anybody tell how many unique users does rmo have? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my original idea been "hah! it's open source, so I can FIX all those annoyances that made me hate my Nokia6210" | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I didn't think desktop or apps or whatever, I thought DIALER and maybe calendar | 23:26 |
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| kerio | well fwiw you can use an alternative dialer | 23:26 |
| kerio | the dbus interface of the dialer is well-understood | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but I didn't know there are any actually working alternative dialers available | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I wouldn't want to start with something even *worse* than 6210 had | 23:28 |
| kerio | well, there's a pppoe dialer | 23:28 |
| kerio | :P | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a simple example: on any other nokia, you press green button twice: redial last number | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900: *swear* click click *swear* | 23:29 |
| kerio | the last called is on top of the list though | 23:29 |
| * RST38h moos at the moon | 23:30 | |
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| kerio | ยต, RST38h | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah great, on top of a friggin list I have to call up again since it autoclosed, and whatnot else | 23:30 |
| RST38h | Looks like everyone is busy shitting all over Firefox OS | 23:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | auto re-dial is something I miss on my N900 from old S60 nokias. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, even 6210 had it | 23:31 |
| RST38h | Is it really that bad or is it just "not iphone"? | 23:31 |
| kerio | why are you guys writing numbers anyway | 23:31 |
| joga | "<program name> OS" for some reason doesn't appeal to me at all :p | 23:32 |
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| kerio | joga: it works with some things | 23:32 |
| joga | all I can think of are the bieber linuxen etc | 23:32 |
| kerio | "emacs os" | 23:32 |
| joga | heh | 23:32 |
| joga | or glados | 23:32 |
| joga | because it's glad! | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody loves shitting on things that compete with Android and iOS | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've got some sort of a complex. | 23:32 |
| kerio | GeneralAntilles: it's ok, we shit on things that aren't maemo fremantle | 23:33 |
| RST38h | Well, I do not see how Firefox UI is any worse than a dozen other heavy-weight "web uis" out there | 23:33 |
| joga | I haven't read a thing about firefox os | 23:33 |
| joga | actually I was kinda amused such a thing was for real | 23:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | kerio, inferiority complex? :D | 23:33 |
| RST38h | General: Android people are generally more tolerant | 23:33 |
| joga | some day we'll all feel silly for getting all worked up over some bits in a gadget | 23:34 |
| joga | hopefully :) | 23:35 |
| RST38h | you mean, we ain't? =) | 23:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want more mobile devices I enjoy using. | 23:35 |
| RST38h | General: You mean you want anextra N950? =) | 23:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Harmattan could be it if it were actually, you know, maintained. | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it's getting long in the tooth. | 23:36 |
| RST38h | Yeah | 23:36 |
| kerio | >aegis | 23:36 |
| RST38h | Still pleasure to use though | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android and iOS feel so incredibly dated and clunky in comparison. | 23:36 |
| dafox | DocScrutinizer05: mech == ,mechanical failure? that kind of sucks :( | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hope one of BB10/Ubuntu Phone/Jolla will be able to replicate the experience well. | 23:36 |
| joga | I dumpsterdived a big bunch of old nokias and started using one E70 as work phone | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Remember when Nokia had good phones. Those were the days. | 23:37 |
| RST38h | General: Not much hope for Ubuntu phone or BB10 | 23:38 |
| joga | it has the basic stuff you would expect from a s60 device phonewise but also the qwerty if you need it, and while it's not as good as n900 it makes using putty bearable | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | joga; does the joystick still work? It's very unreliable on mone | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | mine | 23:38 |
| RST38h | Jolla looks nice, based on whatever grainy videos they have published | 23:38 |
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| joga | ShadowJK, well, it's not the best joystick out there but in this unit it does work | 23:38 |
| * RST38h still has E70. No, joystick doesn't =( | 23:38 | |
| ShadowJK | joga; yeah, though if it had more pixels so you could fit atleast 80x25 in putty | 23:38 |
| joga | there was also another one with a busted green phone key | 23:38 |
| joga | or, uh, the left whatever key, I forget | 23:39 |
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| joga | anyway that was a dealbreaker but fortunately the other one worked :) | 23:39 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:416x384 | 23:39 |
| joga | ShadowJK, with the miniscule font you can get a decent amount on screen, but would need some zoom goggles to read it on a bus | 23:40 |
| kerio | osso-xterm on fullscreen does a 79x25 | 23:40 |
| kerio | :s | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | mine is 133x31 | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | non-fs | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | 99x24 one step bigger than smallest | 23:42 |
| joga | I think with minimum font I get 58 rows | 23:42 |
| joga | it's still "kinda" readable | 23:42 |
| joga | :p | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | 133x31 is comfortably readable for me | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | roughly same fontsize in xchat too :) | 23:42 |
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