IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-02-26

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MacerEstel_: huh?00:05
Macerno not really... i need to send one in for another organization anyways00:05
Macerso i can kill 2 birds with one stone :)00:05
MacerPublic disclosure by the organizatin. Exempt or political organizations must make their returns, reports, notices, and exempt applications available for public inspection. You can visit the organization to insepct the material instead of requesting it from the IRS. The organization may be able to mail the copies to you.00:06
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Macerok. so i just made the request in their "contact us" section of hildonfoundation.org00:12
Macerso lets see what happens :)00:13
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: they will cheer since they got nothing to do and you give them an interesting task to deal with, so they don't feel bored the whole day00:19
Macerwell they do have a donar wall00:19
Macerand since dec 12 they're up to 3300 net00:20
DocScrutinizer05so what?00:20
Maceri wonder what the fee is that costs them like 5%00:20
DocScrutinizer05wtf?? paypal00:20
Macer100 -4.2 95.800:20
DocScrutinizer05you send them a letter to find out about that??00:21
Macer100 gross 4.20 fee 95.80 net00:21
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DocScrutinizer05T F go to paypal and read about their fees!00:21
Macerlol.. paypal is 4.2% for a transaction?00:21
Macerthat's harsh00:21
DocScrutinizer05instead of pestering us with nonsense00:21
MohammadAGactually, nonsense is better than silence00:22
MacerSmall Fee - PayPal fees mainly apply to sellers, who pay a 2.9% transaction fee on the total sale amount plus a $0.30 fee per transaction.00:22
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: come to where I am and listen the "silence"00:23
MacerYou can also use a debit or credit card or make an international transfer for a small fee.00:23
Macerhm .. could be the international fee00:23
MohammadAG actually this shows fees more00:24
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, I'm having a hard day already00:24
MohammadAGI got a 1 star rating for the first time :(00:24
Macer3.9% for international "sales" but are nfps considered "sales" ? heh00:25
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Macernfp is 2.2%00:26
MacerIf sending $100.00, the amount that will go to fees is $2.50 and the recipient will receive $97.50. That's 2.5% going to fees, effectively.00:27
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Macerso i'm a bit curious why the hildon foundation fee was 4.2%.. i don't think international rates apply for nfp but who knows but nearly double even if?00:28
Macerthen people wonder why i don't donate to charity :) cancer society only has 15% of its money going towards actual research while its ceo drives a 6 figure car00:29
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jacekowskiMacer: 4.2% from paypal isn't that bad if you consider that credit card companies take about 2-3% for nothing00:41
jacekowskiMacer: as in, they have no risk (it's bank that has to pay out in case of any problems) and it costs them almost nothing (bank pays for cards as well)00:41
jacekowskiMacer: paypal at least bears some part of the risk00:42
jacekowskibut well, yeah, charities suck00:43
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Macerbut paypal says it's 2.2 for nfp... so where is the other 2% coming from in the fee?00:48
Macerpaypal most likely gets a nice little tax break for transmitting money to nfp at a reduced rate :)00:48
Macerthey get to put pink ribbons and what not on their site during breast cancer month or whatever00:49
ShadowJKpaypal in practice is mostly arbitrary00:51
ShadowJKtheir dispute resolution process is powered by a random number generator that is tilted 99% in favour of whatever gives paypal the most money00:51
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SpeedEvilit's not00:58
SpeedEvilit's in favour of the buyer.00:59
SpeedEvilalmost all the time.00:59
SpeedEvilsellers getting defrauded and offloading the costs onto the seller is OK.01:00
SpeedEvilbuyers getting defrauded are what they are worried about.01:00
SpeedEvilif the buyer sends you back a brick, tracked, you in essentially 100% of disputes will lose.01:00
MacerShadowJK: lol01:03
Macerebay owns paypal doesn't it?01:04
Maceror vice versa?01:04
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Macerthey should have named it ebaynk01:08
Macerfor the most part transactions seem to work out rather well on ebay. at least in my experience01:08
Macerthen again tho nowadays it seems that ebay is nothing but buy it nows01:09
Macermight as well shop at amazon.. every now and then you may come across some niche thing to bid on :)01:10
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SpeedEvilI'm pissed that they gutted search01:21
SpeedEvilwildcards now don't work01:22
SpeedEvilgood luck finding - for example - things with a year in the title where you want one of a couple of decades01:22
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SpeedEviland yes, the example of a workaround was the retarded one01:22
GeneralAntillesI buy cheap Chinese electronic crap01:25
GeneralAntillescouple of SPI 128x64 1" OLED modules showed up today.01:25
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Macerblue LEDs!01:30
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: please stop suggesting that HiFo is rogue and stealing your money!02:17
DocScrutinizer05HiFo has no NFP paypal account, if that helps02:18
DocScrutinizer05to make you stop that BS02:18
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: oh .... i'm sorry. didn't think i was being rude or anything. but someone has to ask these questions.. you never know :) either way. i sent in the foia request a while ago.02:26
MacerDocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't they have a nfp account? that seems a bit odd.02:26
DocScrutinizer05since they have terrible problems getting their sh*t sorted, with bank accounts and whatnot02:27
DocScrutinizer05we're waiting for a proper bank account to transfer money without using paypal since day one of roof-on-fire campaign02:28
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Macerhm. why wouldn't you use paypal?02:29
DocScrutinizer05until recently they used cosimo's private paypal account afaik02:29
DocScrutinizer05many people don't like PP02:29
Macerfor an instant wire xfer of funds 2.2% is actually pretty decent02:29
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Maceri would guess that using visa/mc/amex would probably cost more02:30
DocScrutinizer05yes, and international bank transfer is *extremely* expensive02:30
SpeedEvilPayPal sucks.02:30
Maceras well as require a donar to possess one of those cards02:30
DocScrutinizer05more like 15% plus a fixum on top02:30
SpeedEvilthe alternatives generally suck more.02:30
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MacerSpeedEvil: exactly.. a lot more02:30
Macerespecially if paypal has a flat rate on nfp02:30
Maceri wired my sisterm $100 one day through a bank wire xfer... i had no idea it was so expensive02:31
Macerthey charged me $20 and her $20 on the other end.. that's outrageous02:31
DocScrutinizer05there are actually people in this world that don't have a card at all02:31
MacerDocScrutinizer05: that too.. paypal allows the use of bank acct numbers02:32
SpeedEvilmobile payment is taking off in a big way in Kenya and some other countries02:32
SpeedEvilto the extent of moving ~20% of GDP02:32
MacerDocScrutinizer05: there's always the lump of cash in the envelope lol02:32
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Macerbut either way... seems like a while just to get a bank account going and registered as a nfp account then registering with paypal02:33
DocScrutinizer05well, here we got banks that take that money and transfer it to the bank account you tell them to. Actually they also take 7.50EUR for that now02:33
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: here too but they charge you outrageous fees02:34
Macerit is really only practical for business use for large sums02:34
Macerand even then i'd rather mail a check lol.. out of spite02:35
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me what they thought or did, it's not exactly easy at least here in Germany where Cosimo lives, to open a bank account for an american NFP02:35
Macerreally? i figured ze germans would be incredibly efficient at such things ;)02:36
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DocScrutinizer05and probably similarly difficult for HiFo's cashier Cosimo to open a bank account in USA02:36
Macerdoes the bank account have to be in the US with paypal donars?02:36
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DocScrutinizer05We are incredibly efficient with stopping money washing02:37
Maceroh haha02:37
DocScrutinizer05for the small business02:37
Macermoney washing lol02:37
DocScrutinizer05for big business we do nothing02:37
Macerso they can just be smuggling drug money in at out with no regulation02:37
DocScrutinizer05whatever the term in English, been too lazy to look it up02:37
Macerbut the bread shop on the corner is suspect :)02:37
Macerlaundering ;)02:37
Macersimilar word tho i suppose02:38
Maceri just figured that's what they called it in eu02:38
DocScrutinizer05yeag "money laundry" or "wash the money"02:39
Macerironically enough most dictionaries nowadays probably consider the money definition as the first definition of launder02:39
Macerand not the washing clothes definition :)02:39
DocScrutinizer05it's actually officially called Geldwaeschegesetz afaik02:40
Macerwhat is the literal translation?02:41
DocScrutinizer05Money Laundry Law02:41
Maceroh... waesche looks like wash heh02:41
Macergesetz is law or act?02:42
Macerit'd odd how Germans string 3 words along like that.. but i suppose english does the same thing but compound words are a bit rare02:43
Macereven tho we do use a lot of greek and latin prefixes/suffixes etc so i suppose that could be considered the same method02:43
DocScrutinizer05^F compound02:47
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Macergerglish lol03:01
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MacerThis is often called Deppenleerstelle, or Deppenleerzeichen which means idiot's space, incorrectly separating parts of a compound word.03:03
Macersmoking means dinner suit? :)03:05
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Macertrampen is hitchhiking? :)03:06
Maceri think ze germans got that one wrong heh03:06
Maceras well as bodybag03:06
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DocScrutinizer05bodybag is a nice one, yeah ;-P03:20
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merlin1991ze germans, are you waiting for them?03:22
Snafu777mein kamph!03:27
Snafu777ze germans zare no zmatch!03:27
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ruskie <-- I think I found my next phone11:43
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Estel_well, in polish, smoking is a dinner suit too ;)12:09
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zsolthello.use scratchbox2.the mirror is outdated.need to change it15:39
zsoltwhen i use install tools it tryes to fetch from,but lenny is moved to archive.debian.org15:41
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kerioso... i'm reflashing15:57
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zsoltlooks like the maemo platform is completely abandoned16:00
deepyis it now?16:01
keriodeepy: clearly, people not responding to badly-phrased questions about systems that nobody likes are the sign that maemo is dead16:02
kerioi mean, people still HAVEN'T ANSWERED A QUESTION!16:02
kerioFROM ZSOLT!16:02
deepyOh, I didn't realize it was a question16:02
deepysuch are the times after lunch16:03
zsoltmost of the's links are out of date,try to download maemo sdk vm,can't find it16:04
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infoboti heard mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error16:08
infobotmethinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources:
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DocScrutinizer05each flashing another pleasant surprise, right? ;-P16:16
kerioanyway, apparently there really isn't a way to avoid it on firstboot16:17
keriolike, there's no way to "cancel"16:17
DocScrutinizer05I promise we'll nuke THAT one for everybody as soon as we have sufficient control over stuff (if ever)16:17
kerioand now the happy HAM times16:18
DocScrutinizer05when cherry pops up, it's probably safe to power down device and remove SIM16:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's what i ended up doing16:19
kerioi hope16:19
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DocScrutinizer05then follow detailed instructions how to neuter that cherry shit and clean out hidden pending SMS16:20
DocScrutinizer05it's not exactly simple procedure16:20
DocScrutinizer05since it includes editing files iirg16:21
keriohidden pending sms? really? :o16:21
infobotrumour has it, jrtools is
thedead1440just to ask; its one sms right? Why take so much trouble for just one sms sent?16:21
DocScrutinizer05a) it's my money, b) it's premium SMS money in some countries, c) it's not OK16:22
DocScrutinizer05d) to unregister that nonsensical service, "MyNokia" sends yet another SMS16:23
DocScrutinizer05it's like SPAM "click here if you don't want further mail from us"16:24
jon_ywhat does it send anyway?16:24
DocScrutinizer05to collect data about customers in an unlawful way16:25
jon_ySIM ID, phone number, what else?16:25
DocScrutinizer05I'm extremely surprised *nobody* has sued them for that all the time16:26
DocScrutinizer05phone number and "N900" obviously16:26
jon_yI got a cheap Nokia-101 and they too ask to send sms16:26
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DocScrutinizer05sufficient to send you unsolicited spam SMS16:26
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jon_yat least you have the option to tell it to shutup and not send16:26
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: *ask* is OK. *Enforce* and do in a sneaky way is *not*16:27
jon_yI don't remember seeing the option to not send in the n90016:27
DocScrutinizer05there's none16:27
jon_yso just hold the power button to reboot and nuke it after that?16:28
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DocScrutinizer05hehe, on next boot it shows up again16:28
jon_ywell, nuke it after you reboot the first time16:29
jon_yI miss my n900, still under repairs16:29
DocScrutinizer05it *will* send that SMs, unless you remove SIM and then neuter/nuke the whole shit16:29
jon_yfor more than a month16:29
jon_ywill touch /home/user/.cherry_state16:30
jon_ykill it?16:30
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DocScrutinizer05no, not if it already tried to send. then it will keep the hidden SMS in some .rtcom/* files iirc, until you insert SIM again16:32
DocScrutinizer05touch /home/user/.cherry_state only helps to stop it from ever sending that SMS16:32
DocScrutinizer05so my advice on ~jrtools probably also is useless16:33
jon_yso start without sim, reboot, nuke it16:33
jon_yand then insert sim16:33
jon_yok, got it16:33
Macer the Symbian desktop w works like maemo community16:33
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Macerwith the way it places icons when rotating16:34
Macerbelle is oddly incredibly to maemo16:34
Maceris it just a qt thing? or a shift towards the meego look?16:35
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keriowhy, oh why did i reflash16:38
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keriogoddammit why am i doing this17:29
kerioi don't want to do this17:29
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jargonstill no extras-devel repo?17:32
jargonkerio: add that as a repo?17:34
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infobotrumour has it, bme-replacement is
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infobotteotwaki meant: testing18:50
keriogoddammit i'm only doing this because of the fucking Conversations aren't i18:52
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infobotfrom memory, rescue-os is
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PaliNIN102: ping19:04
Palican you include wifi FW into rescueOS?19:04
zeq1Hi guys!19:04
keriomeh, fuck this shit, i'm restoring my backup19:06
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NIN102Pali: no19:14
NIN102I am not sure about the licence situation etc.19:14
Palilicense is redistributable19:14
NIN102hmm, then maybe.19:15
NIN102once I have time.19:15
Palihere is tarball:
Palicontains same firmware as in maemo rootfs19:16
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n900-dkAny Qvernote users here?19:31
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DocScrutinizer05new tmo and new garage look good20:43
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DocScrutinizer05wmo and mo/* are still suffering from smo issues (port81 botch)20:44
DocScrutinizer05same for bmo20:46
DocScrutinizer05sorry, bmo suffering db connectivity issues20:46
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DocScrutinizer05smo up and fixed, wmo and mo/* working fine. lmo might work - missing proper URL to test it right now21:27
DocScrutinizer05bmo still db-error21:28
DocScrutinizer05warfare took an offtime so he doesn't get funny in the head from all this :-)  MANY THANKS warfare!! AWESOME WORK!21:29
kerioWE LOVE YOU warfare!!!21:30
keriohold on, an offtime from what21:30
DocScrutinizer05from working on our new server day and night21:31
n900-dkCould we learn infobot about all the *mo's?21:31
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo mo/* is http//* and http://www.maemo.org21:32
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay21:32
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo smo is static.maemo.org21:32
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay21:32
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo bmo is bugs.maemo.org21:32
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0521:32
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo lmo is aka mail.maemo.org21:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay21:33
Lars-People still use tge n900?21:33
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n900-dkeh, yes :)21:34
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo db is a local virtual machine on ~mo/* that holds a database21:34
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay21:34
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo gmo is garage.maemo.org21:34
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0521:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do we have cute hostnames for the machines?21:35
DocScrutinizer05:shrug: same as they ever been21:35
DocScrutinizer05we cloned the VM21:35
DocScrutinizer05VMs even21:36
keriohm, the blades are blade-a and blade-b21:36
kerioand not beavis and butthead21:36
DocScrutinizer05we got blade-a and blade-b for the dom021:36
keriothis makes me sad21:36
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DocScrutinizer05sorry for the ambiguous/bogus "location" column in that table21:44
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n900-dkwhat is the function of vcs/drop?21:47
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DocScrutinizer05drop is where you upload stuff for autobuilder21:57
DocScrutinizer05vcs is the sourcecode "repository"21:57
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo dmo is drop.maemo.org21:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay21:58
n900-dkok, thx DocScrutinizer0521:59
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dafoxDocScrutinizer05: hi :) Do you remember that last week we (briefly) discussed some font corruption?22:01
DocScrutinizer05yep, but only on scrolling. Otherwise my memory is empty and clean22:01
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dafoxexactly. I tracked down the problem, and it turned out to be something with fontconfig22:01
DocScrutinizer05good, so a sw problem :-)22:02
dafoxLong long ago I put some custom font config rules on my phone (copied from my desktop), which somehow seems to cause this...22:02
dafoxI got it down to this minimal working example:
dafoxputting that as local.conf in /etc/fonts makes the fonts garble when scrolling upwards in some lists :/22:03
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo dmo is also vcs.maemo.org22:04
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0522:04
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo vmo is <reply>see #maemo dmo22:05
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0522:05
infoboti guess #maemo dmo is, or vcs.maemo.org22:05
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders22:06
DocScrutinizer05~xxxx is <reply>see #maemo vmo22:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay22:06
infobotmethinks #maemo dmo is, or vcs.maemo.org22:06
n900-dkbot is #maemofied :)22:06
DocScrutinizer05~forget xxxx22:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxxx22:06
n900-dkWill IPHH monitor OS on the VMs?22:07
DocScrutinizer05who? IPHH? nah, hardly22:07
DocScrutinizer05we'll do22:08
n900-dkOk, so we have a VM for monitoring?22:08
keriowe have a sysop for monitoring22:08
n900-dkI was think about disk capacity, CPU load and so on22:09
n900-dknot traffic22:09
DocScrutinizer05we'll not make nagios / munin etc publicly accessable, for obvious reasons22:09
n900-dksure, but we have it?22:09
DocScrutinizer05not yet22:09
kerioi also want a "" site22:10
keriothat statically says "YES"22:10
DocScrutinizer05for YOU it will something customized though ;-P22:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's brilliant, dude22:11
DocScrutinizer05will say*22:11
kerioyou can just run it on the same web server22:11
kerioand "YES" will always be accurate22:11
keriokinda like
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DocScrutinizer05meh, you obviously never heard of the soviet russian method to switch off light when going to sleep22:12
keriooh, it appears that i linked to a photoshopped racist version of that picture :s22:12
kerio this one is legit22:13
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, does it involve drinking vodka until you don't care anymore about the light?22:13
DocScrutinizer05take your kalashinov to shoot the lightbulb, then ignite a magnesia torch to see if you missed22:13
kerioDocScrutinizer05: and use your dashcam to record it?22:14
DocScrutinizer05I heard that's a standard joke in Soviet army22:14
DocScrutinizer05anyway, we have IPMI, dom0 xm top, and we will get munin and nagios22:16
DocScrutinizer05and maybe some minor keep-alive monitoring from IPHH facilities22:16
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kerionagios is active surveillance, right?22:17
DocScrutinizer05yup, afaik22:17
DocScrutinizer05(no expert here922:17
DocScrutinizer05you can define alarms and triggers in nagios, I heard22:17
DocScrutinizer05for now we don't need monitoring, we need storage22:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: were the 2tb added?22:18
DocScrutinizer05HiFo talked Nokia into sponsoring them (maybe), which is fine but has the downside of taking weeks22:19
DocScrutinizer05so Nokia takes weeks, HiFo refuses to pay, I'll buy a single 2TB drive and ship it to Hamburg for warfare22:20
kerioprobably easier and cheaper to send money instead22:20
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DocScrutinizer05I got ~60EUR of "own" donations here which i might use for that22:21
keriohow are we backing shit up?22:22
DocScrutinizer05(I can't afford donating even more than I already do for other maemo related services)22:22
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DocScrutinizer05also if I did, some e*_ came bitching at me that I buy out maemo22:23
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cehteh.o(how about asking jolla for donations?) :P22:23
DocScrutinizer05oooh, new idea, very new idea22:24
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DocScrutinizer05seems HiFo is responsible for (spoiling) this22:24
cehtehi dont follow the discussions much22:24
DocScrutinizer05  which is a bit cryptic unless you know the background22:25
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keriowhy would jolla give us money22:26
keriowe're direct competitors22:26
DocScrutinizer05>>however friendship is also about doing activities together to keep things alive<<  and  >>And to be honest and straightforward with advice from one another.<< are key sequences22:26
cehtehhaha excellent :))22:27
DocScrutinizer05I admit they don't make that much sense unless you know the whole context and story and background22:27
cehtehi dont see jolla as competitior .. if they found the hifo they buy into the community22:27
cehtehbut i dont think jolla has that much money to give on itself22:28
DocScrutinizer05meh, they have just enough22:28
DocScrutinizer05for 50 maemos22:28
cehtehwell the'll prolly need it22:28
DocScrutinizer05in their coffee cash22:28
cehtehlooks like the firefox os gains momentum .. yet another player22:29
DocScrutinizer05but look at and you get an idea what might have gone wrong22:29
DocScrutinizer05with jolla22:29
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DocScrutinizer05on a general note you don't ask donors to sign a NDA about their own stuff, not even when they actually *had* such secret or closed blob stuff22:33
DocScrutinizer05and when a friend asks you to correct sone nonsensical statements you did about him in public, you can either follow or lose a friend - simple as that22:34
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dafoxok, forget the fontconfig stuff for now. My n900 seems to have developed an 'insensitive spot' on the touchscreen. When (lightly/normal pressure) pressing in this spot the touch will register at the spot's edge (discovered with the paint app). Any idea what might cause this (and what to do about it)?22:42
dafoxit's about the size of a thumb-print22:42
keriodoes it look any different?22:43
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dafoxno, looks like normal, no discoloration22:43
dafoxit's slightly to the right and up from the center of the screen22:44
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dafoxsuppose you divide the screen in cells, 4x4. Then from the top left it just about fills cell C222:44
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* Macer facepaml22:52
Macerfacepalm too22:52
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kerioanyway, i used my reflash as an excuse to repartition the emmc23:04
keriothen i got scared because i almost filled MyDocs with music23:04
keriobut then i realized that i have so much music i don't care about23:04
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kerioluf: i have a working PAN again!23:09
lufkerio: great! What was the problem?23:10
kerioi have no fucking clue23:10
lufkerio: :D :D23:11
keriobut i rebooted, deleted the "Bluetooth PAN" network interface, readded it, set it up again, re-paired23:11
kerioand now it works23:11
kerioafter like 20 packets pass through with a "no route to host"23:11
keriosorry, with a "Host is down"23:12
lufkerio: Maybe the bt connection needs some time. But it's strange that the problem was in bridge ...23:12
keriostarted the ping after clicking the "connect to network" on my laptop23:13
kerioand then literally did nothing23:13
kerioonce it's open, it stays open23:13
kerio(although really, 40ms and the laptop is almost touching the n900, wtf bluetooth)23:13
lufkerio: it's not high performance ...23:14
keriois that why all those fancy NFC things pretty much just set up a private wifi network and use that?23:15
lufI'm not sure. For sure wifi is more used/supported.23:16
keriono, i mean23:16
keriobluetooth 4 is basically a fancy way of setting up a wifi network23:16
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lufWhy BT4? I don't catch the idea.23:17
DocScrutinizer05dafox: (spot) most likely and usually a m4ech defect of digitizer23:18
DocScrutinizer05mech even23:18
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DocScrutinizer05so get a spare part and swap23:19
eccerr0rok. i told pidgin configure it can shove it and use python 2.3... :D23:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i discovered that i had a modified patterns file, i had made the touch feedback vibro a bit stronger23:21
kerioi noticed it *immediately*23:21
kerioat which point it becomes obsession?23:21
DocScrutinizer05*shrug*  I spent whole afternoons with just tuning tactile feedback of touchscreen clicks until i liked it23:22
kerioi think i toyed with it for an afternoon23:23
DocScrutinizer05that's why we got a N900, no?23:23
kerioand then i forgot it23:23
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at closed blob dialer23:23
DocScrutinizer05with hatred23:24
jacekowskican anybody tell how many unique users does rmo have?23:25
DocScrutinizer05my original idea been "hah! it's open source, so I can FIX all those annoyances that made me hate my Nokia6210"23:25
DocScrutinizer05and I didn't think desktop or apps or whatever, I thought DIALER and maybe calendar23:26
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keriowell fwiw you can use an alternative dialer23:26
keriothe dbus interface of the dialer is well-understood23:26
DocScrutinizer05sure, but I didn't know there are any actually working alternative dialers available23:27
DocScrutinizer05and I wouldn't want to start with something even *worse* than 6210 had23:28
keriowell, there's a pppoe dialer23:28
DocScrutinizer05a simple example: on any other nokia, you press green button twice: redial last number23:29
DocScrutinizer05on N900: *swear* click click *swear*23:29
keriothe last called is on top of the list though23:29
* RST38h moos at the moon23:30
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kerioยต, RST38h23:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah great, on top of a friggin list I have to call up again since it autoclosed, and whatnot else23:30
RST38hLooks like everyone is busy shitting all over Firefox OS23:30
sixwheeledbeastauto re-dial is something I miss on my N900 from old S60 nokias.23:30
DocScrutinizer05meh, even 6210 had it23:31
RST38hIs it really that bad or is it just "not iphone"?23:31
keriowhy are you guys writing numbers anyway23:31
joga"<program name> OS" for some reason doesn't appeal to me at all :p23:32
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keriojoga: it works with some things23:32
jogaall I can think of are the bieber linuxen etc23:32
kerio"emacs os"23:32
jogaor glados23:32
jogabecause it's glad!23:32
GeneralAntillesEverybody loves shitting on things that compete with Android and iOS23:32
GeneralAntillesThey've got some sort of a complex.23:32
kerioGeneralAntilles: it's ok, we shit on things that aren't maemo fremantle23:33
RST38hWell, I do not see how Firefox UI is any worse than a dozen other heavy-weight "web uis" out there23:33
jogaI haven't read a thing about firefox os23:33
jogaactually I was kinda amused such a thing was for real23:33
GeneralAntilleskerio, inferiority complex? :D23:33
RST38hGeneral: Android people are generally more tolerant23:33
jogasome day we'll all feel silly for getting all worked up over some bits in a gadget23:34
jogahopefully :)23:35
RST38hyou mean, we ain't? =)23:35
GeneralAntillesI want more mobile devices I enjoy using.23:35
RST38hGeneral: You mean you want anextra N950? =)23:35
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GeneralAntillesHarmattan could be it if it were actually, you know, maintained.23:36
GeneralAntillesBut it's getting long in the tooth.23:36
RST38hStill pleasure to use though23:36
GeneralAntillesAndroid and iOS feel so incredibly dated and clunky in comparison.23:36
dafoxDocScrutinizer05: mech == ,mechanical failure? that kind of sucks :(23:36
GeneralAntillesHope one of BB10/Ubuntu Phone/Jolla will be able to replicate the experience well.23:36
jogaI dumpsterdived a big bunch of old nokias and started using one E70 as work phone23:37
GeneralAntillesRemember when Nokia had good phones. Those were the days.23:37
RST38hGeneral: Not much hope for Ubuntu phone or BB1023:38
jogait has the basic stuff you would expect from a s60 device phonewise but also the qwerty if you need it, and while it's not as good as n900 it makes using putty bearable23:38
ShadowJKjoga; does the joystick still work? It's very unreliable on mone23:38
RST38hJolla looks nice, based on whatever grainy videos they have published23:38
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jogaShadowJK, well, it's not the best joystick out there but in this unit it does work23:38
* RST38h still has E70. No, joystick doesn't =(23:38
ShadowJKjoga; yeah, though if it had more pixels so you could fit atleast 80x25 in putty23:38
jogathere was also another one with a busted green phone key23:38
jogaor, uh, the left whatever key, I forget23:39
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jogaanyway that was a dealbreaker but fortunately the other one worked :)23:39
jogaShadowJK, with the miniscule font you can get a decent amount on screen, but would need some zoom goggles to read it on a bus23:40
kerioosso-xterm on fullscreen does a 79x2523:40
ShadowJKmine is 133x3123:41
ShadowJK99x24 one step bigger than smallest23:42
jogaI think with minimum font I get 58 rows23:42
jogait's still "kinda" readable23:42
ShadowJK133x31 is comfortably readable for me23:42
ShadowJKroughly same fontsize in xchat too :)23:42
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