| Pali | ccxCZ, you do not need to (re)flash x-loader & nolo if you did not damaged it | 00:00 |
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| Pali | also you do not need to (re)flash cmt firmware if gsm is working... | 00:01 |
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| Pali | and same for linux kernel | 00:01 |
| Pali | and last part in fiaso image is rootfs | 00:01 |
| Pali | nothing more | 00:01 |
| ccxCZ | that's what I thought | 00:02 |
| Pali | so if you are sure that everything is working fine (gsm, kernel and bootloader) then just reflash rootfs | 00:02 |
| Pali | and check/fix software release version string | 00:03 |
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| Pali | if will be incorrect/empty you will see unknown in "about product" | 00:03 |
| ccxCZ | so I'd use: 0xFFFF -f -M rootfs:combined.bin | 00:04 |
| Pali | incorrect | 00:05 |
| Pali | -M combined.bin -t rootfs | 00:05 |
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| Pali | -t is for filtering images | 00:05 |
| Pali | -M is for specifing fiasco image | 00:05 |
| ccxCZ | ic | 00:05 |
| ccxCZ | thanks | 00:05 |
| Pali | -m is specifing non fiasco image | 00:06 |
| ccxCZ | what's so tricky about flashing emmc? | 00:06 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, btw 0xFFFF is still experimental so if it does not work, use flasher-3.5 | 00:07 |
| Pali | also let me know if 0xFFFF will reflash your device without problem | 00:07 |
| ccxCZ | I will | 00:07 |
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| ccxCZ | on emmc I just see the userdir, /opt and swap. what is the reason for needing to reflash the rootfs after flashing that? | 00:09 |
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| Pali | ccxCZ, when booting rootfs first time, it moving some files from rootfs to /home/opt which is on eMMC | 00:36 |
| Pali | so if you erase eMMC, you will lose some system files and maemo will be unbootable | 00:36 |
| Pali | so you will need to reflash rootfs again | 00:37 |
| Pali | 0xFFFF does not support emmc flashing, because nolo does not support emmc flashing | 00:37 |
| Pali | for flashing emmc is needed (semi)working rootfs with userspace binary softupd | 00:38 |
| Pali | softupd has own protocol for flashing (protocol Mk II) which is different from NOLO protocol | 00:38 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 01:05 | |
| RST38h | Moo, Doc | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 01:05 |
| RST38h | Heya SpeedEvil | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heya | 01:06 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05> [21:35] wonder if our new age Nostradamus calculated the 7 "crisises" we already had which were not visible to the general public | 01:13 |
| Estel_ | sure, as DocScrutinizer05 and "not visible to general public" is contradictory :P | 01:14 |
| RST38h | What new age Nostradamus? Which one? | 01:14 |
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| Estel_ | You were providing almost live feed from every "crisis" you had with hifo, o this very channel :P | 01:14 |
| RST38h | Also, are we talking St Malachy prophecy stuff? | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | or St Maemo | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 01:14 |
| RST38h | Peter II the Pope, kaboom? | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | still, it is fun, that pope will be pulling back covered by snipers on rooftops ;) | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | gives "tower under siege" politics a new meaning | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | and by snipers I mean it literally, snipers will be sitting on vati rooftops during abdication | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | symbols, symbols everywhere *teases DocS* | 01:17 |
| * Estel_ then waves goodbye | 01:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h:[2013-02-24 21:03:36] <Estel_> btw, just to be able to tell "tolday" later - I think they will settle down this "crisis" | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h:[2013-02-24 21:03:57] <Estel_> and one of following three "crisises" will kill maemo | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If I should try my Nostradamus powers, I'd say "one thing's for sure. If any crisis kills maemo, ther will some estel_ be around, driving it" | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a guy sounding like him but with a nick of "Piotr" | 01:23 |
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| iluminator105 | has anyone made a video on how to solder usb unit on n900 | 02:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | not that I'm aware of. | 02:16 |
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| Snafu777 | Anyone know when the hashsum errors will be fixed? | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 03:25 |
| infobot | methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error | 03:25 |
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| RiD | i got enough mirrors at home | 03:35 |
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| saedoosh | hi | 04:10 |
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| Drathir | hi | 04:49 |
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| zsolt | hi there.got a new n900,try to repartition the internal mmc,but get only 7Gb of space | 08:48 |
| SpeedEvil | how did you repartition? | 08:48 |
| zsolt | fdisk | 08:48 |
| zsolt | start 1 end +25000M | 08:49 |
| SpeedEvil | you did what to the existing partitions? | 08:49 |
| zsolt | deleted them and made new partitions,than reflashed.my opt partition uses 6 Gb,it is ok,but can't get larger fat space than 7Gb | 08:50 |
| zsolt | also will use my ext card for swap | 08:50 |
| zsolt | i'm a power user,very strange,the fat partition is type win95 fat Lba | 08:52 |
| zsolt | why my fat is only 7Gb? | 08:53 |
| zsolt | is anyone able to help me?it is very strange,looks like my fat size is limited,but don't know why | 08:56 |
| eccerr0r | fat16 or fat32? | 08:57 |
| eccerr0r | hmm... i dared not to muck with that despite it would be nice to have more space in /opt... but there's plenty as it is... | 08:58 |
| zsolt | fat32 | 08:59 |
| zsolt | i know,that fat16 size is limited | 08:59 |
| eccerr0r | what are you using for logical sector size? | 09:04 |
| zsolt | don't know | 09:05 |
| eccerr0r | try mkfs'ing with -S 32768 or -s 128 and see if that works... it's just a guess though, I thought mkfs should figure this out on its own | 09:08 |
| zsolt | i use failsafe,there is only fdisk | 09:11 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you suck at predictions, dude | 09:38 |
| kerio | they're supposed to be a lot vaguer than that | 09:38 |
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| Nokian900freak | Testing | 09:38 |
| Nokian900freak | Wooooa m on irc | 09:39 |
| kerio | wooooooooah | 09:39 |
| kerio | welcome | 09:39 |
| Nokian900freak | Yeah | 09:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "and the end will come for the lost winds when the demon from the east will reveal himself" | 09:40 |
| kerio | or something | 09:40 |
| zsolt | problemsolved | 09:41 |
| zsolt | thank you | 09:41 |
| zsolt | cheers | 09:41 |
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| Nokian900freak | Chkng | 09:44 |
| kerio | checking what? | 09:45 |
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| iluminator105 | can you guys link me to how to on soldering microusb unit on n900 lots of pics may be even a video | 10:46 |
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| kerio | ~usbfix | 10:46 |
| infobot | [usbfix] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 10:46 |
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| Estel_ | <DocScrutinizer05> [00:23] or a guy sounding like him but with a nick of "Piotr" | 11:09 |
| Estel_ | so much about "moral value" :/ | 11:09 |
| Estel_ | If I were you, with your current "position" and "respect", I would be little more carefull with acussing people of using "virtual" identifies to write bullshit | 11:10 |
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| Estel_ | especially, that, no matter of your personal antagonism, you must admit, that I was never afraid of writing unpopular things, no matter of ban or whatever harassment risk | 11:10 |
| Estel_ | so please, don't offend me, by implying cowardise of hiding behind some idiot's nick. Thanks in advance. | 11:11 |
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| Estel_ | anyone using bme replacement and kp52, experience strange hardware wakeups in powertop? | 11:15 |
| kerio | define strange | 11:16 |
| Estel_ | hardware things that should sleep wake up for some time (5-8%) | 11:16 |
| Estel_ | lemme dig up pastebin | 11:16 |
| Estel_ | brb, need to shut down connections for a while | 11:16 |
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| kerio | C4 | 92.6% | 3090.1ms | | 11:18 |
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| cityLights | hi, long time since I asked this here: any news? | 11:24 |
| cityLights | any new devices? | 11:24 |
| cityLights | second question: I got a lenovo laptop, I want to use a gps program on the laptop | 11:25 |
| cityLights | which option makes more sense: use the N9 gps and internet connection | 11:25 |
| cityLights | or buy a cellular modem +gps at 200$ ? | 11:25 |
| cityLights | I mean most of you must tried this - right? | 11:26 |
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| Estel_ | here is powertop output | 11:27 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?38da9ceccfdd5407#oVyh3iVpkQkuALzAtCuEkGFPIVFjrok0ItFy9UwTOyM= | 11:27 |
| Estel_ | ^ kerio | 11:27 |
| kerio | well, what's wrong? | 11:28 |
| kerio | looks good | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | nope, it's with everything disabled | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | before, ic2_omap wasn't generating more than ~250 wakeups | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | now it's twice as much | 11:28 |
| Estel_ | also, C1 C2 and C3 was quiet | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | only C4 and very little C0 | 11:29 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | only C4 and very little C0 | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | which troubles me most | 11:29 |
| kerio | well, hald-addon-bme is listed, but with only one activity | 11:29 |
| Estel_ | core, neon and mpu are awake for 14% of time | 11:29 |
| kerio | yeah, that's kinda bad | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | per for 5% | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | I'm 100% sure before kp52 it was all OK | 11:30 |
| Estel_ | may be nit related, though | 11:30 |
| kerio | nit? | 11:30 |
| kerio | i, too, have 7.3% of C3 | 11:31 |
| kerio | and 10% of core/neon/mpu | 11:31 |
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| cityLights | when I try to install columbus I get: | 12:09 |
| kerio | that's not a lot | 12:09 |
| cityLights | faild to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras... | 12:09 |
| cityLights | is repository.maemo.org up? | 12:10 |
| cityLights | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libr/librxsupport/librxsupport_0.2.0-1_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 12:12 |
| cityLights | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libc/libcolumbus/libcolumbus_0.9.3-1_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 12:12 |
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| cityLights | why are the Hashs bad? | 12:13 |
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| kerio | repo problem | 12:13 |
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| kerio | use extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 12:14 |
| cityLights | so I need to edit the sources file | 12:14 |
| cityLights | ok, lets see | 12:14 |
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| cityLights | deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 12:16 |
| cityLights | ? | 12:16 |
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| cityLights | ok, it updates well | 12:16 |
| cityLights | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 12:17 |
| kerio | ignore that | 12:17 |
| cityLights | do you use the n9? | 12:17 |
| cityLights | did anyone managed to add google calender sync to the n900? | 12:18 |
| teotwaki | calendar | 12:18 |
| cityLights | no, still hash mismatch | 12:18 |
| cityLights | min | 12:18 |
| cityLights | why is it using http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/libr/librxsupport/librxsupport_0.1.0-4_armel.deb | 12:19 |
| qwazix | cityLights, do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.FAILED | 12:19 |
| qwazix | (check if the path is right) | 12:20 |
| qwazix | I just typed it out of my head | 12:20 |
| cityLights | teotwaki: does it sync periodical to google calender? | 12:20 |
| ccxCZ | Pali: 0xFFFF seems to flash even with -s | 12:20 |
| cityLights | W: Failed to fetch http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 188.40.39.11 80] | 12:20 |
| teotwaki | it's "calendar" | 12:20 |
| teotwaki | not "calender" | 12:20 |
| cityLights | qwazix: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/* | 12:21 |
| qwazix | ? | 12:22 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, I will look at it | 12:22 |
| qwazix | cityLights, the hash sum failed is due to repo index file error, the packages are actually fine | 12:22 |
| qwazix | so apt downloads them in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial with a suffix .FAILED | 12:23 |
| cityLights | I fixed the source line and I am waiting for the update now | 12:23 |
| qwazix | you can install them from there with dpkg | 12:23 |
| cityLights | right | 12:23 |
| qwazix | the source line is only for extras-devel, there are packages with sum mismatch on testing too | 12:23 |
| qwazix | so if you still get the error message the solution I just outlined will do | 12:24 |
| cityLights | right | 12:24 |
| cityLights | now its ok | 12:25 |
| qwazix | cool | 12:25 |
| ccxCZ | Pali: http://bpaste.net/show/79595/ | 12:26 |
| cityLights | I aim to use the n900 gps with the laptop | 12:26 |
| cityLights | I am looking to do the same with the n9 | 12:26 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, do you have last version from git? | 12:26 |
| kerio | cityLights: your url is wrong | 12:26 |
| kerio | there's no such thing as http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel/ | 12:27 |
| ccxCZ | git version from before the weekend | 12:27 |
| cityLights | ok installed fine now | 12:27 |
| cityLights | kerio: right, I saw and fixed it , and now its ok | 12:27 |
| Pali | ccxCz, do you have also full backtrace? (gdb command bt full)? | 12:27 |
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| ccxCZ | Pali: here you go http://bpaste.net/show/79596/ | 12:29 |
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| Pali | thanks, I will look at it | 12:29 |
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| ccxCZ | hrm, now it bootloops and bootmenu is gone. luckily rescueos still works | 12:32 |
| ccxCZ | ~rescueos | 12:34 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 12:34 |
| ccxCZ | good, according to the docs rescueos does charge the battery too | 12:34 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, now I quickly fixed that NULL pointer and simulate param | 12:36 |
| Pali | patches are in git | 12:36 |
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| ccxCZ | updated, compiled, segv :P | 12:39 |
| ccxCZ | http://bpaste.net/show/79599/ | 12:41 |
| ccxCZ | -O0 version, remade clean http://bpaste.net/show/79602/ | 12:43 |
| Pali | ach :-( glibc detected: double free or corruption this will be harder | 12:44 |
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| Pali | ccxCZ, gdb is not usefull for memory corruptions... do you have valgrind? | 12:44 |
| ccxCZ | yup, but no real experience with it | 12:45 |
| Nokian900freak | Hi guyz | 12:45 |
| ccxCZ | hello | 12:45 |
| Pali | now when simulate flag working, I can try it too | 12:45 |
| Nokian900freak | Finally irc | 12:46 |
| Nokian900freak | Yippe | 12:46 |
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| Nokian900freak | 0 | 12:48 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, it doesn't matter if it's a lot or not, there definitelly wasn't such things before | 12:53 |
| Estel_ | ping Pali | 12:53 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, could you look at this: | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?38da9ceccfdd5407#oVyh3iVpkQkuALzAtCuEkGFPIVFjrok0ItFy9UwTOyM= | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | since installing kp52 and bme replacement bits, there is strange hardware activity, that I'm 100% sure wasn't the case before | 12:54 |
| Estel_ | 100% idle device, settled down, without any connections | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | core, neon, and mpu are active for 16% of times, when it should be asleep | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | 16% of time* | 12:55 |
| Estel_ | CPU is 9% on C3, when it should sleep at C4 almost completely | 12:56 |
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| Estel_ | also, 2.7% C2, which is (summed up with C3) strange | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | I suspect those core, neon and mpu are the cause | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | it eats more than 10% of standby time | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | i.e. idle power usage got higher | 12:57 |
| Estel_ | freemangordon, ^, you may be interested in it too (no idea if using thumb can be related? But, before kp52, no such things, even in thumb...)) | 12:58 |
| Estel_ | if I can debug it some more, just tell me what to do. Kerio said he also got similar wakeups, he is on kp52 and bme replacement too | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | emove bme repl | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove* | 12:59 |
| Estel_ | could do, but bme replacement bits are listed on powertop, with very OK'ish number of wakeups | 12:59 |
| Estel_ | so I would rather blame kp52, if anything | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bat applet | 12:59 |
| Estel_ | tried without it already | 13:00 |
| Estel_ | same things | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop processes one after another | 13:00 |
| Estel_ | it may be unrelated to KP at all, it's just that due to repos being kinda down, I havent changed anything else | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prepare for unadvertised reboots though | 13:00 |
| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, ok, but which processes? it's hardware wakeup, not software. Or do you mean *all* processes? | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unload bq* kmods | 13:01 |
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| Estel_ | uh, right, could think about that one myself :P | 13:01 |
| Estel_ | will report result at evening... BTW, it would be nice if other people with kp52 and/or bme replacement could test powertop too | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | appreciated | 13:02 |
| Estel_ | device must be settled down (no recent activity, more than 30 minutes since turning on), with gsm and wifi and whatsnot disabled for some minutes already | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and locked screen? | 13:03 |
| Estel_ | (reminder for others, that may be interested) | 13:03 |
| Estel_ | sure | 13:03 |
| Estel_ | "powertop" from extras-devel mirror, then powertop from terminal, and quickly lock screen and lay device flat and idle | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I support this investigation | 13:04 |
| Estel_ | after 11 sec, powertop will start sampling for 30 sec | 13:04 |
| * Estel_ nods | 13:04 | |
| Estel_ | it may be totally unrelated, but anyway, maybe someone will get idea what causes this, then. I'm quite allergic to hardware wakeups :P | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here ;-) | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: have you checked IRQs? | 13:05 |
| Estel_ | erm, checked what? :P | 13:06 |
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| Estel_ | ~irq | 13:06 |
| infobot | hmm... irq is (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users. | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/interrupts | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see who's firing | 13:07 |
| Estel_ | oook, but should I test it, somehow, when device is idle? | 13:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 bets on i2c | 13:08 | |
| Estel_ | or just normally? | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 60; cat /proc/interrupts | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compare | 13:09 |
| Estel_ | ok | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | here is result of "just cat": | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?4db15921728c418c#2nUcVu+OhWOKEmxcabxeshmrwHg2FE3eJiSK1GM4S/o= | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | will do sleep 11; cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 60; cat/proc/interrupts, and lock screen after firing, just like with powertop | 13:10 |
| Estel_ | but that need to wait 'till evening, can't drop connections now | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 273: 6189 GPIO kb_lock | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 12:11 46 Tage 11:58 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,03, 0,02, 0,00 | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 13:11 |
| Estel_ | sorry, yopu lost me on this one? | 13:12 |
| Estel_ | s/yopu/you/ | 13:12 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: sorry, you lost me on this one? | 13:12 |
| Estel_ | sorry | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my device has an uptime of ~46 days and I had 6189 kb-lock slider actions during that time | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds insane | 13:13 |
| Estel_ | ah :) | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even if each open and close is an IRQ, this would still be ~60 per day | 13:14 |
| Estel_ | sound OK | 13:14 |
| Estel_ | I think I'm sliding it more :P | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is tk-lock switch I think | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, might be | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 231: 174 GPIO slide | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which tells you my device is closed now and seen 87 open/close cycles during last 46 days | 13:16 |
| Estel_ | oh, as for slider on the right side, I use it even more | 13:17 |
| Estel_ | I would bet on ~200 per day | 13:17 |
| Estel_ | strangely enough, it's not even worn out | 13:17 |
| Estel_ | I think there is difference between revisions @ plastic quality of some part - for sure keyboard sux on 2204 | 13:18 |
| Estel_ | may be, that people with worn-out sliders got them worse too | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible, or they have abrassive puches | 13:19 |
| Estel_ | my 1st keyboard, which is used *very* much, is still matt and got 0 worn out key labels or not even slightest sratched thing | 13:19 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, many others are worn out and "glossy" after few months of usage | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | abrasive pouches | 13:19 |
| * Estel_ nods | 13:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keymat is worse than battery | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new one every year, at least | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, for you only difference over a idle time in proc/interrupts is relevant | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | those (I suspect): | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 56: 270217988 INTC i2c_omap | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 57: 29466229 INTC i2c_omap | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 61: 601899 INTC i2c_omap | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq* kmods would have impact on iirc 57 | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [root@blade-a ~]# xm list | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Domain-0 0 1024 12 r----- 23302.5 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dns 12 1024 1 -b---- 4.4 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | firewall-a 1 512 1 -b---- 579.0 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | monitor 13 2048 2 -b---- 11.3 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [root@blade-b ~]# xm list | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s) | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Domain-0 0 1024 12 r----- 15318.9 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | db 20 8192 2 -b---- 6243.3 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | firewall-b 3 512 1 -b---- 312.9 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | garage 27 8192 2 r----- 569.7 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki 16 1024 1 -b---- 307.7 | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | www 22 2048 2 -b---- 294.4 | 13:32 |
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| kerio | neat | 13:33 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: isn't blade-a a bit under-used? | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: this will change | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Plan_for_migration_.2F_Timeline | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for now everything is underused | 13:42 |
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| ampharos | my N900 is shipping - damn you for making me want it for years! | 14:12 |
| kerio | yay | 14:13 |
| ampharos | you people keep making all this cool stuff for it that my N800 didn't get | 14:14 |
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| ampharos | plus the fact the old N800 is starting to get unreliable: random reboots, a tad crashy, not a lot of RAM (although a class 10 SD card and a helping of swap on it helps) | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 14:15 |
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| ampharos | no sim card is going in the new thing though | 14:19 |
| ampharos | celluar service is a bloody scam, it's way too expensive! I'll stick with my home fibre and my city's (and most restraunts) free wifi | 14:19 |
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| ccxCZ | if I wanted to reformat rootfs and optfs by hand, are there any special flags to mkfs I should use? | 14:35 |
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| kerio | you probably don't want to reformat rootfs | 14:42 |
| kerio | because nobody understands how to format ubifs | 14:42 |
| kerio | optfs... meh, whatever you want, really | 14:43 |
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| kerio | it's going to be mounted as ext3 with the options listed in /etc/fstab | 14:43 |
| ccxCZ | ic, thanks | 14:44 |
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| ccxCZ | how do the rootfs backup in bootmenu work then? plain dd? | 14:44 |
| ccxCZ | does* | 14:44 |
| kerio | no | 14:44 |
| kerio | never ever ever ever use dd on a mtd | 14:45 |
| kerio | backupmenu mounts the filesystem and makes a tarball | 14:45 |
| kerio | on restore, it deletes every file on the filesystem and then unpacks the tarball | 14:45 |
| ccxCZ | ok | 14:45 |
| kerio | optfs is recreated | 14:46 |
| kerio | but that's just a mkfs.ext3 by default, anyway | 14:46 |
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| ccxCZ | ok, so I can use rescueos to just do that by hand | 14:49 |
| * ccxCZ thinks rsync --delete and squashfs would be better for rootfs | 14:50 | |
| kerio | ccxCZ: in which way? | 14:50 |
| ccxCZ | to restore the backups, since I don't have backupmenu anymore | 14:51 |
| ccxCZ | rsync --delete only overwrites when there are changes | 14:51 |
| ccxCZ | and you'd get cheap lzo compression and random access on the backups | 14:52 |
| kerio | hm | 14:52 |
| kerio | well i don't see why that wouldn't work | 14:52 |
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| Pali | kerio, I know how to format ubifs | 15:09 |
| Pali | you need to use ubiformat | 15:09 |
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| kerio | oh really :P | 15:09 |
| Pali | ubiformat /dev/mtd5 -s 512 -O 512 -f image.ubi | 15:10 |
| Pali | but ubifs must be umounted and ubi deattached from mtd device | 15:10 |
| kerio | *de*attached? really? | 15:10 |
| Pali | yes, because you are flashing ubi image to mtd | 15:11 |
| kerio | oic | 15:11 |
| Pali | not ubifs image! | 15:11 |
| Pali | our rootfs image in FIASCO is ubi image which contains one volume for rootfs | 15:11 |
| kerio | Pali: what about creating a brand new ubifs | 15:12 |
| Pali | use mkfs.ubifs | 15:12 |
| kerio | i assume it's ubimkvol first though | 15:12 |
| Pali | this will create new ubifs image on HDD | 15:12 |
| Pali | in file | 15:12 |
| Pali | and then use ubinize which will create new ubi image from that ubifs file | 15:13 |
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| Pali | and then you can flash that new ubi image to n900 | 15:13 |
| Pali | ubiformat doing all what is needed to flashing new ubi images (preserve erase counters, ...) | 15:14 |
| Pali | kerio, but I did not tried it on real n900, only on desktop with nandsim | 15:15 |
| Pali | and it worked | 15:15 |
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| Macer | ubuntu on n900? | 15:20 |
| Macer | heh | 15:20 |
| Macer | so is maemo.org running on someones eu isdn line now? ;) | 15:21 |
| warfare | Macer: not yet, we have a 9k6 modem for that. | 15:23 |
| Macer | heh | 15:24 |
| Macer | i'm sure DocScrutinizer05 has it hosted somewhere | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what? | 15:24 |
| Macer | maemo.org | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:24 |
| Macer | ie: hosted on some vhost server | 15:25 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: warfare is the sysadmin for *all* maemo infra | 15:25 |
| Macer | oh | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm the manager | 15:25 |
| kerio | and right now, the two servers from nokia are in free CoLo at IPHH | 15:25 |
| Macer | they're from nokia? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: if you wanna know details, check http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 15:26 |
| Macer | i thought nokia dropped the servers and only redirected their dns | 15:26 |
| Macer | the opensource fad isn't what it used to be :) | 15:26 |
| kerio | they gifted us two quite powerful servers | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one | 15:26 |
| Macer | ouldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with 4 blades with 2 cpu sockets each | 15:27 |
| Macer | Couldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem) | 15:27 |
| * Macer looks around | 15:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: oops | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which service? | 15:27 |
| Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut | 15:28 |
| Macer | if i was the cio... you'd be fired as manager lol | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FUUUUUCK | 15:28 |
| Macer | don't make business cards just yet :) | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shutup | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bitch at support@nemein.com | 15:29 |
| Macer | hehe | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: please look into it | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems aslan has fekkered db when he tried those snapshots | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-25 13:07:45] <aslani> I wonder if we can get those snapshots out of the grid somehow | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-25 13:07:54] <aslani> then again, they are huuuge | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-25 13:13:28] <aslani> and that actually causes interesting problem now | 15:31 |
| kerio | "interesting" | 15:31 |
| Macer | interesting indeed lol | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: ^^^ | 15:36 |
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| Macer | you don't see the irony of that page being down? :) | 15:40 |
| Macer | wow.. why is nemein being so kind? | 15:41 |
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| Pali | kerio, look: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325043&postcount=12 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325044&postcount=13 | 15:42 |
| Macer | HiFo? | 15:42 |
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| Pali | kerio, I wrote what I know about ubi, ubifs, mounting and flashing | 15:42 |
| kerio | i see | 15:42 |
| kerio | do you know if there's any "tuneubifs" utility | 15:43 |
| Pali | and what should that utility do? | 15:43 |
| Pali | there are more ubi* utilities | 15:43 |
| kerio | Pali: for instance, change the default compression method | 15:44 |
| Pali | there are: ubiattach, ubicrc32, ubidetach, ubiformat, ubimkvol, ubinfo, ubinize, ubirename, ubirmvol, ubirsvol, ubiupdatevol | 15:44 |
| Pali | kerio, I do not know if there is support in kernel for other compression method for ubifs | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compression in ubi most probably optimized for NAND | 15:45 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: meh, it's LZO | 15:45 |
| kerio | you can also use zlib | 15:45 |
| kerio | and no compression | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like 2hey, let's go for ueber-leete new xyz compression" | 15:46 |
| kerio | i kinda wanted to test the latter | 15:46 |
| Pali | kerio, you can create new ubifs image with mkfs.ubifs | 15:46 |
| Pali | and there is option -x | 15:46 |
| Pali | compression type - "lzo", "favor_lzo", "zlib" or "none" (default: "lzo") | 15:46 |
| Pali | but there is no utility for modifing ubifs filesystem | 15:46 |
| Pali | kerio, so you can unpack rootfs, then create new ubifs file, pack it into ubi image and flash it | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: only thing i see is a very momentary servie glitch that got fixed by maemo tech staff during <5min after report | 15:47 |
| kerio | Pali: ooh, you can also mkfs.ubifs directly on a /dev/ubix_y | 15:47 |
| Pali | mkfs.ubifs can create new filesystem in regular file or can call it on /dev/ubi | 15:48 |
| Pali | yes | 15:48 |
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| Pali | but you need to umount ubi dev first | 15:48 |
| Pali | so you cannot do it from maemo | 15:48 |
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| kerio | surely you must have the ubi device attached, to make the ubifs on it | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: which, given the fact that we're just migratinng the whole shite again, is really really not a tragedy | 15:48 |
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| kerio | anyway, where would i get the correct parameters for it? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other maintainers would simply announce service downtime of two days | 15:49 |
| kerio | like the leb size | 15:49 |
| kerio | and the minimum I/O unit size | 15:50 |
| Pali | ubinfo -a | 15:50 |
| kerio | ty | 15:50 |
| Pali | and from dmesg | 15:50 |
| kerio | Count of bad physical eraseblocks: 1 | 15:51 |
| kerio | oh noes D: | 15:51 |
| Pali | ubi and ubifs modules in debug mode printinf more in dmesg | 15:51 |
| Pali | now going offline, bye | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: so if I were the IT manager, you would earn a place on my ignore list :-) | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ticket response time of <300sec, a dream | 15:52 |
| kerio | what the hell, why is the logical eraseblock size 126.0KiB | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody with a brain would fire me for that | 15:53 |
| kerio | this makes no sense | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather they would ask me 2do you need new business cards? We suggest to ad 'wizard extraordinaire' to your title" | 15:54 |
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| Macer | support@iphh.xxx | 16:09 |
| Macer | xxx? | 16:09 |
| Macer | heh. is that the actual domain or is that like... covering the end of it? | 16:09 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: lol. i was teasing. no need to get all bent out of shape :) | 16:10 |
| Macer | even google goes down every now and then | 16:11 |
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| Macer | weight: ~40kg | 16:13 |
| Macer | wow that's pretty heavy | 16:13 |
| Macer | wow the repo is only 900GB? | 16:14 |
| Macer | seems like a lot for just like 2TB worth of data :) | 16:15 |
| Macer | 40KG for a switch and 2 servers? why not just run fbsd with zfs with like 3 hard drives for the site/repo/etc and run another vhost for the building bot? | 16:17 |
| ShadowJK | hope repos get fixed soon, I'll need to reflash my spare n900, my main has failing cellmo :( | 16:17 |
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| Finnhax | Looking for colaboration with 2D-Artist!! (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324416#post1324416) | 16:18 |
| Macer | f community can't get control over the DNS, we might revert to maemocommunity.org | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: this is ONE supermicro server that weighs 40kg | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ONE iron with 8 CPU sockets | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual 2U rackmount | 16:20 |
| Macer | does maemo.org still have that much traffic? | 16:20 |
| Macer | 1300EUR/month for the VM, plus 2200EUR/month for the maintenance | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus finnish VAT | 16:21 |
| Macer | that is a LOT Of money in the overall scope of things | 16:21 |
| Macer | it is not sustainable | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we don't do it | 16:21 |
| jon_y | it burns currency for heat | 16:21 |
| Macer | lol | 16:22 |
| jon_y | only the finest heat | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: everything but rmo extras-devel hashsums seems fine | 16:23 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but then it's still 2200/eu per month + whatever you get the 1300 down to plus tax | 16:23 |
| Macer | ouch | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:23 |
| Macer | no? are you moving the hosting elsewhere ? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please see http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Setup_with_IPHH | 16:24 |
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| Macer | oh ok.. but then you have to ship it again to PA ? :) | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to WHAT? | 16:25 |
| Macer | oh germany | 16:25 |
| Macer | my mistake | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Plan for migration / Timeline | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Friday, 22.2. (falk) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rack Hardware @ IPHH - Hardware is racked | 16:26 |
| Macer | at the end of this month | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, last friday | 16:26 |
| Macer | oh and it's already up? that's nice | 16:26 |
| Macer | so you bought maemo.org a year :) | 16:26 |
| Macer | any indication on what they will want after the year is up? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nuttin? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably another crate of beer | 16:28 |
| Macer | > This offer is valid for one year and has to be discussed for renewal after 11 | 16:28 |
| Macer | > month. | 16:28 |
| Macer | lol | 16:28 |
| Macer | a crate of good beer | 16:28 |
| Macer | :-P | 16:28 |
| Macer | germans don't drink crap beer | 16:28 |
| Macer | is there an actual hildon foundation office in PA? | 16:29 |
| Macer | > Hildon Foundation | 16:29 |
| Macer | > 120 West 10th Street, Erie, PA, 16501, USA | 16:29 |
| Macer | hm | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or they ask for HiFo doing a whole afternoon giving the clowns for the whole IPHH crew ;-) | 16:29 |
| Macer | i should see if gmaps has that | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a revenge for the paper madness HiFo put on us/them | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (just kidding!) | 16:31 |
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| Macer | oh | 16:32 |
| Macer | it's a lawyer's office | 16:32 |
| Macer | knox mclaughlin gornall and sennett = hifo heh | 16:34 |
| Macer | how much is the retainer for those legal services? | 16:34 |
| RST38h | There is still Hildon Foundation? | 16:35 |
| Macer | yes... it is called knox mclaughlin gornall and sennett heh | 16:36 |
| RST38h | And it is not just some folder in a cabinet at a law firm? | 16:36 |
| Macer | do law firms still use paper? | 16:36 |
| Macer | figured they swapped to notarized pdfs by now :) | 16:36 |
| Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 16:37 |
| Macer | RST38h: i looked at the place on google maps.. i was hoping it was an actual hildon foundation office.. i'd actually go visit something like that | 16:37 |
| Macer | that sounds like something that would be cool.. but i can see lawyers anywhere | 16:38 |
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| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: i thought they actually used .xxx for their addresses heh | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo an actual office? BWAHAHA | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they couldn't afford one week of rent for such office | 16:43 |
| Macer | since .xxx is an actual TLD nowadays | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | And I wouldn't like them to spend community donations for such BS | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, rly? | 16:44 |
| Macer | well.. they pay a retainer for the lawyers don't they? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next time I use @@@ | 16:44 |
| Macer | yeah..... | 16:44 |
| Macer | xxx = pr0n | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 16:44 |
| Macer | just throwing that out there | 16:45 |
| Macer | which is why i was curious if those were actual email addresses or not :) | 16:45 |
| Macer | or if you were just masking the tld | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo has paid nuttin except a vBulletin licence so far, afaik | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, some fees for registration I guess | 16:46 |
| Macer | well... don't they have the licensing from nokia? :) | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:46 |
| Macer | so like... what do they......do? | 16:46 |
| kerio | Macer: if you find out, let us know | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gossip with Nokia | 16:46 |
| Macer | considering that hildon may be a big part of the ui but not the real bulk of maemo | 16:47 |
| Macer | if nokia opened everything up hildon would probably be gone by now heh | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the name hildon been picked by ... random | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not related to what HiFo is supposed to do | 16:47 |
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| Macer | er | 16:47 |
| Macer | so the hildon foundation has nothing to do with hildon? | 16:48 |
| Macer | heh | 16:48 |
| * Macer scratches his head | 16:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it has to do with maemo (and beyond, though I feel they put way too much emphasis to that one) | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but since maemo is a trademark by nokia, HiFo had to pick a different name | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also some guys felt maemo foundation was "too limiting in what it suggests this entity is doing" | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again I can't agree | 16:49 |
| Macer | er... what else do they do? | 16:49 |
| Macer | do they feed starving kids in subsaharan africa? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they seem to have "a mission" - that nobody exactly knows of | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | something above and beyond maemo (and meego) | 16:50 |
| Macer | who is in the hildon foundation? | 16:50 |
| Macer | is there a list of names? | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:50 |
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| Macer | do they have their own site? heh | 16:51 |
| Macer | i miss symbian. using my e7 made me miss it. i love maemo because of the linuxness of it but symbian is pretty awesome too :-/ | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/about/ | 16:51 |
| Macer | i guess maybe because it uses a lot of qt and the interface seems close to maemo minus the xserver and gnu stuff | 16:51 |
| Macer | i used to think symbian was dated until i tried belle.. nokia had a lot going for themselves with it but didn't stay the path | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I feel like spoonfeeding stuff you could look up $anywhere | 16:52 |
| Macer | it could have marketed well in the US | 16:52 |
| Macer | 4 guys? LOL | 16:52 |
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| kerio | three, ivgalvez left | 16:53 |
| Macer | founded in September 2012......... wtf? | 16:53 |
| kerio | and one is a treasurer | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>to handle community oversight and infrastructure.> OMG | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to handle community assets | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | period | 16:54 |
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| Macer | HAHAHHAHAHA | 16:54 |
| Macer | yeah i'm reading that now | 16:54 |
| Macer | like... i don't understand how there was a "vote" for these 3 guys :) | 16:54 |
| Macer | was it done via maemo.org? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the fundamental problem with HiFo | 16:54 |
| Macer | or some other method? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there been an election | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of some kind | 16:55 |
| Macer | but how was the election done? i don't understand... you can pay china to make fake accounts and vote for people online i'm sure | 16:55 |
| kerio | i don't think that there were more than three candidates for board | 16:56 |
| Macer | china sells fake facebook girlfriends for ultimate losers and closeted homosexuals.. i'm sure they can rig an online election rather easily | 16:56 |
| Macer | kerio: maybe i will see how they were "voted in" on their site | 16:56 |
| Macer | let me finish their "open letter" | 16:56 |
| kerio | Macer: also read the thread on tmo | 16:57 |
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| Macer | The Hildon Foundation and, specifically, the Foundation Board should be viewed in quite a different light, though. It is the Hildon Foundation that will oversee the transition of the Maemo Community away from Nokia and into the hands of the community. Of course, the Foundation is also very concerned with ongoing development within both the Mer and Nemo projects, so facilitating their future is also quite important. | 16:57 |
| Macer | uhm | 16:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: are you one of those 3 guys? :) | 16:58 |
| Macer | or warfare ? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 16:58 |
| warfare | Macer: Nope. | 16:58 |
| warfare | <- just providing brains. | 16:58 |
| Macer | so uhm........ the question has to be asked.. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | 16:58 |
| Macer | if it is a nonprofit ..... | 16:58 |
| Macer | can't you request books? :) | 16:59 |
| Macer | Niel Nielsen | 17:00 |
| Macer | what an odd name | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please ask that on http://hildonfoundation.org/about/ | 17:00 |
| Macer | but it's a non-profit | 17:00 |
| Macer | they have to have open books | 17:00 |
| Macer | you can request them from the govt usually | 17:00 |
| thedead1440 | >>> i'm sure they can rig an online election rather easily <<< Seriously? Such statement(s) make even valid criticism sound lame and worthless... | 17:00 |
| Macer | especially if they're based in the US | 17:00 |
| Macer | and ESPECIALLY if you've contributed :) | 17:00 |
| Macer | ie: given money | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: ??? | 17:01 |
| thedead1440 | there is a donors' wall that i've been pushing them to update more frequently; it lists the vbulletin licence cost and if ever any further payments are made they will end up there | 17:01 |
| Macer | books for non-profits are supposed to be transparent so the nonprofit isn't a scam.. you can request tx forms | 17:01 |
| Macer | thedead1440: yeah but if it's just a money scam then i'm sure they'll just trudge through mud getting that going | 17:02 |
| Macer | or say "we have decided..." | 17:02 |
| Macer | lol | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: again, please ask that on http://hildonfoundation.org/about/ | 17:02 |
| Macer | sounds like the open source evangelists to me | 17:02 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: the people on HiFo are NOT without integrity; merely they don't get the facts of the situation and hence end up making wrong decisions | 17:02 |
| Macer | were they involved at all with the server transition? :) | 17:03 |
| thedead1440 | mixing incompetence of sorts with lack of integrity is not something that should be done | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: no, basically not | 17:03 |
| Macer | thedead1440: how can integrity be measured without proof? | 17:03 |
| Macer | as a nonprofit you would think that the money given would be completely transparent | 17:04 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: I was referring to Macer's comment of HiFo rigging the election to be voted in which in all honesty is very lame | 17:04 |
| Macer | thedead1440: i am merely saying that an online vote seems a bit...... unrealistic | 17:04 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: did you read the procedure for voting tokens etc? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: WTF are you heading at? | 17:05 |
| thedead1440 | Guess not! so read then comment | 17:05 |
| thedead1440 | otherwise anyone reading the logs of this channel would think everyone who criticizes HiFo has a similar train of thought like you | 17:05 |
| Macer | thedead1440: i did | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then stop asking such stupid questions | 17:06 |
| Macer | my point being that 1 person can have multiple persona which can establish the criteria required to vote | 17:06 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: guess you didn't read thoroughly then | 17:06 |
| thedead1440 | you needed to have a maemo.org for at least 3 months with a karma of 10 | 17:06 |
| thedead1440 | pretty easy for someone to be duplicating personas en-masse? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't that 100 | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 17:07 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: 100 was for candidates; 10 for voters | 17:07 |
| Macer | thedead1440: er..... | 17:07 |
| thedead1440 | s/maemo.org /maemo.org account / | 17:07 |
| Macer | thedead1440: although | 17:08 |
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| Macer | in your example ... that is for the maemo council is it not? | 17:08 |
| thedead1440 | remember maemo.org account not only tmo account but maemo.org proper | 17:08 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: it was for both elections | 17:08 |
| Macer | i don't know.. without any form of authentication votes seem arbitrary | 17:08 |
| thedead1440 | iirc even coding competition had something similar | 17:08 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: where were you to suggest alternatives at the time of reckoning? | 17:09 |
| thedead1440 | Please don't lay fingers on people's integrity just because of a dislike of them | 17:09 |
| Macer | i don't know anybody to dislike them | 17:10 |
| Macer | i'm merely stating an opinion on the ability to scam votes | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's so much power in HiFo, I can see why a scam would be worthwhile to set up. | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You might possibly have access to hundreds--or even thousands!--of dollars. | 17:10 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: lol... well... my concern would be more so someone using donations to pay their mortgage :) | 17:10 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: anything is something | 17:11 |
| Macer | and i'm sure when maemo was in its prime it was far more than that :) | 17:11 |
| thedead1440 | there were how many; 4 candidates maybe? Woody had said not to vote for him so how could the other 3 possibly set-up a scam? | 17:12 |
| chem|st | Macer: that is why HiFo is a registered NPO afaik | 17:12 |
| Macer | thedead1440: i don't know... let me turn in my foia request and see what they send me back :) i'm printing it now | 17:13 |
| Macer | you can request nonprofit tax returns as well as other information.. not sure how much the govt would request from the hifo directly tho | 17:13 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: sure | 17:13 |
| Macer | but i'm curious | 17:13 |
| Macer | i'm not doing anything now anyways | 17:13 |
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| Macer | i can drop it off in the mailbox when i pick up my son from school | 17:13 |
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| Macer | http://www.irs.gov/uac/IRS-Freedom-of-Information | 17:17 |
| Macer | there it is | 17:17 |
| Macer | Tax-exempt or political organization returns:By phone: Contact the Tax Exempt/Government Entities Hotline at (877) 829-5500, or send completed Form 4506-A to the address printed on the form. | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yay, how exciting. and so much to the point of the problems we're facing | 17:22 |
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| daedhel | Hi, I am trying to sync the calendar on my N900 with google calendars. I try to do this with the "Exchange Mail" in the settings sections, following this guide: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google and I get an error | 17:31 |
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| daedhel | anyone can help? Or suggest me another easy way to sync claendars and tasks on the n900 ? | 17:32 |
| thedead1440 | daedhel: Google removed support for Exchange on 31/01/13 | 17:32 |
| daedhel | oh I see | 17:32 |
| ampharos | sucks, eh? | 17:32 |
| daedhel | yeah... | 17:32 |
| daedhel | what do you guys use to sync you calendars? | 17:33 |
| ampharos | i've been looking for a calendar provider | 17:33 |
| ampharos | i don't trust google... | 17:33 |
| ampharos | (does maemo do caldav?) | 17:33 |
| thedead1440 | maybe there is an update of this method that could help: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 | 17:38 |
| daedhel | ok | 17:40 |
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| daedhel | other than that, is there a simple way to sync calendars with anything? like thunderbird or other solutions like that? and I mean locally or in the cloud, whatever, just a way to sync it ? | 17:41 |
| thedead1440 | hotmail exchange seems to work till date | 17:41 |
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| kerio | "Don't open connections in parallel, that brings the little devices down to their knees." | 18:57 |
| kerio | in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00maemo | 18:57 |
| kerio | oh you | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you tried to comment it out? | 20:16 |
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| daedhel | thedead1440: hotmail exchange works | 20:34 |
| thedead1440 | daedhel: good to hear that :) | 20:35 |
| daedhel | its just a shame to have to go tru thos big corps for syncing... i'd rather do this on my own | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new www.maemo.org works | 20:35 |
| daedhel | with ownclou or something similar | 20:35 |
| daedhel | thedead1440: anyway, thanks for the cue ! :) | 20:35 |
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| thedead1440 | np | 20:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yay | 20:41 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: new as in on the new iron? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yoh | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | yay :) | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to hack your etc hosts and try it, but there's not much to see yet | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, *.m.o doesn't work yet, only m.o/* | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | w.m.o for example still missing db | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | same for b.m.o | 20:57 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc those are VMs, so I guess it is matter of bringing them up and tweaking the IP addresses | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:57 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, something new about autobuilder, extras-devel or expired nokia gpg key? | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | (not that it is a trivial task) | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, alas not | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin working on fixing hashsum by rebuilding it | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade MIA, so no news with autobuilder | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for gpg key issue, _you_ are da man | 20:59 |
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| freemangordon | well, I'd say gpg key issue is way worse than autobuilder | 20:59 |
| freemangordon | as soon or later it will be under our control (autobuilder) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also way more outside of our domain | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | so even x-fade don;t fix it, we'll do | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | *even if | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, enentually we might be able to do this, but for now nobody has the expertise | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually* | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: shouldn;t be that big problem. alsi IIRX woody said he has some clue about it | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | *also | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, woody has a clue about midgard, not so much about autobuilder | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he's fixind and augmenting our voting infra | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | ooh, right | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | however, there are plenty of developers around ;) | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but we can't let a bunch of "$random devels" raid over autobuilder | 21:04 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure, but "we" or "you" can give them some logs | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can give all the logs you want | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | woody to the rescue \o/ | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1325132&postcount=15 | 21:13 |
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| kerio | \o/ | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's a >>fiefdom<<? | 22:03 |
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| ampharos | canada post is sloooow | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ding for ".ie.dom" gives me "chiefdom" | 22:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels reminded on looneytoons | 22:06 | |
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| ampharos | 28th? I can't wait that long! | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for you geeks: http://213.128.137.6/mrtg/ | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | network pr0n | 22:59 |
| Cor-Ai | *drowls* | 22:59 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wtf is the uplink to iphh | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our network cable? | 23:02 |
| kerio | i see | 23:02 |
| kerio | are we transferring something? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, fool | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're migrating stuff | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 900GB repo for example | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice, isn't it? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-25 16:45:47] <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I see >>188.117.59.205 => 213.128.137.4 43.1Mb 38.3Mb 38.5Mb<< and "--bwlimit=5000" | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-25 16:46:11] <DocScrutinizer05> I wouldn't mind going higher with the limit | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, if rmo is a tad slow today, you know why | 23:08 |
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| Estel_ | Macer got boring evening, eh? | 23:28 |
| Estel_ | and I though that my points about competences and moral value could be boring for readers | 23:28 |
| Estel_ | maemo, never stop suprising you (tm) | 23:29 |
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| n900-dk | Anyone using evernote on n900? | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | 900G? !? | 23:52 |
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