IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-02-25

PaliccxCZ, you do not need to (re)flash x-loader & nolo if you did not damaged it00:00
Palialso you do not need to (re)flash cmt firmware if gsm is working...00:01
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Paliand same for linux kernel00:01
Paliand last part in fiaso image is rootfs00:01
Palinothing more00:01
ccxCZthat's what I thought00:02
Paliso if you are sure that everything is working fine (gsm, kernel and bootloader) then just reflash rootfs00:02
Paliand check/fix software release version string00:03
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Paliif will be incorrect/empty you will see unknown in "about product"00:03
ccxCZso I'd use: 0xFFFF -f -M rootfs:combined.bin00:04
Pali-M combined.bin -t rootfs00:05
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Pali-t is for filtering images00:05
Pali-M is for specifing fiasco image00:05
Pali-m is specifing non fiasco image00:06
ccxCZwhat's so tricky about flashing emmc?00:06
PaliccxCZ, btw 0xFFFF is still experimental so if it does not work, use flasher-3.500:07
Palialso let me know if 0xFFFF will reflash your device without problem00:07
ccxCZI will00:07
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ccxCZon emmc I just see the userdir, /opt and swap. what is the reason for needing to reflash the rootfs after flashing that?00:09
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PaliccxCZ, when booting rootfs first time, it moving some files from rootfs to /home/opt which is on eMMC00:36
Paliso if you erase eMMC, you will lose some system files and maemo will be unbootable00:36
Paliso you will need to reflash rootfs again00:37
Pali0xFFFF does not support emmc flashing, because nolo does not support emmc flashing00:37
Palifor flashing emmc is needed (semi)working rootfs with userspace binary softupd00:38
Palisoftupd has own protocol for flashing (protocol Mk II) which is different from NOLO protocol00:38
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* RST38h yawns01:05
RST38hMoo, Doc01:05
RST38hHeya SpeedEvil01:05
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Estel_DocScrutinizer05> [21:35] wonder if our new age Nostradamus calculated the 7 "crisises" we already had which were not visible to the general public01:13
Estel_sure, as DocScrutinizer05 and "not visible to general public" is contradictory :P01:14
RST38hWhat new age Nostradamus? Which one?01:14
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Estel_You were providing almost live feed from every "crisis" you had with hifo, o this very channel :P01:14
RST38hAlso, are we talking St Malachy prophecy stuff?01:14
Estel_or St Maemo01:14
RST38hPeter II the Pope, kaboom?01:14
Estel_still, it is fun, that pope will be pulling back covered by snipers on rooftops ;)01:15
Estel_gives "tower under siege" politics a new meaning01:16
Estel_and by snipers I mean it literally, snipers will be sitting on vati rooftops during abdication01:16
Estel_symbols, symbols everywhere *teases DocS*01:17
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h:[2013-02-24 21:03:36] <Estel_> btw, just to be able to tell "tolday" later - I think they will settle down this "crisis"01:20
DocScrutinizer05RST38h:[2013-02-24 21:03:57] <Estel_> and one of following three "crisises" will kill maemo01:20
DocScrutinizer05If I should try my Nostradamus powers, I'd say "one thing's for sure. If any crisis kills maemo, ther will some estel_ be around, driving it"01:21
DocScrutinizer05or a guy sounding like him but with a nick of "Piotr"01:23
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iluminator105has anyone made a video on how to solder usb unit on n90002:02
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SpeedEvilnot that I'm aware of.02:16
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Snafu777Anyone know when the hashsum errors will be fixed?03:19
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infobotmethinks mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error03:25
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RiD i got enough mirrors at home03:35
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zsolthi a new n900,try to repartition the internal mmc,but get only 7Gb of space08:48
SpeedEvilhow did you repartition?08:48
zsoltstart 1 end +25000M08:49
SpeedEvilyou did what to the existing partitions?08:49
zsoltdeleted them and made new partitions,than opt partition uses 6 Gb,it is ok,but can't get larger fat space than 7Gb08:50
zsoltalso will use my ext card for swap08:50
zsolti'm a power user,very strange,the fat partition is type win95 fat Lba08:52
zsoltwhy my fat is only 7Gb?08:53
zsoltis anyone able to help me?it is very strange,looks like my fat size is limited,but don't know why08:56
eccerr0rfat16 or fat32?08:57
eccerr0rhmm... i dared not to muck with that despite it would be nice to have more space in /opt... but there's plenty as it is...08:58
zsolti know,that fat16 size is limited08:59
eccerr0rwhat are you using for logical sector size?09:04
zsoltdon't know09:05
eccerr0rtry mkfs'ing with -S 32768 or -s 128 and see if that works... it's just a guess though, I thought mkfs should figure this out on its own09:08
zsolti use failsafe,there is only fdisk09:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: you suck at predictions, dude09:38
keriothey're supposed to be a lot vaguer than that09:38
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Nokian900freakWooooa m on irc09:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: "and the end will come for the lost winds when the demon from the east will reveal himself"09:40
kerioor something09:40
zsoltthank you09:41
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keriochecking what?09:45
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iluminator105can you guys link me to how to on soldering microusb unit on n900 lots of pics may be even a video10:46
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infobot[usbfix] - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)10:46
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Estel_<DocScrutinizer05> [00:23] or a guy sounding like him but with a nick of "Piotr"11:09
Estel_so much about "moral value" :/11:09
Estel_If I were you, with your current "position" and "respect", I would be little more carefull with acussing people of using "virtual" identifies to write bullshit11:10
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Estel_especially, that, no matter of your personal antagonism, you must admit, that I was never afraid of writing unpopular things, no matter of ban or whatever harassment risk11:10
Estel_so please, don't offend me, by implying cowardise of hiding behind some idiot's nick. Thanks in advance.11:11
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Estel_anyone using bme replacement and kp52, experience strange hardware wakeups in powertop?11:15
keriodefine strange11:16
Estel_hardware things that should sleep wake up for some time (5-8%)11:16
Estel_lemme dig up pastebin11:16
Estel_brb, need to shut down connections for a while11:16
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kerioC4 |  92.6% | 3090.1ms |11:18
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cityLightshi, long time since I asked this here: any news?11:24
cityLightsany new devices?11:24
cityLightssecond question: I got a lenovo laptop, I want to use a gps program on the laptop11:25
cityLightswhich option makes more sense: use the N9 gps and internet connection11:25
cityLightsor buy a cellular modem +gps at 200$ ?11:25
cityLightsI mean most of you must tried this - right?11:26
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Estel_here is powertop output11:27
Estel_^ kerio11:27
keriowell, what's wrong?11:28
keriolooks good11:28
Estel_nope, it's with everything disabled11:28
Estel_before, ic2_omap wasn't generating more than ~250 wakeups11:28
Estel_now it's twice as much11:28
Estel_also, C1 C2 and C3 was quiet11:29
Estel_only C4 and very little C011:29
Estel_only C4 and very little C011:29
Estel_which troubles me most11:29
keriowell, hald-addon-bme is listed, but with only one activity11:29
Estel_core, neon and mpu are awake for 14% of time11:29
kerioyeah, that's kinda bad11:30
Estel_per for 5%11:30
Estel_I'm 100% sure before kp52 it was all OK11:30
Estel_may be nit related, though11:30
kerioi, too, have 7.3% of C311:31
kerioand 10% of core/neon/mpu11:31
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cityLightswhen I try to install columbus I get:12:09
keriothat's not a lot12:09
cityLightsfaild to fetch
cityLightsis up?12:10
cityLightsFailed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch12:12
cityLightsFailed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch12:12
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cityLightswhy are the Hashs bad?12:13
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keriorepo problem12:13
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keriouse extras-devel.merlin1991.at12:14
cityLightsso I need to edit the sources file12:14
cityLightsok, lets see12:14
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cityLightsdeb fremantle free non-free12:16
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cityLightsok, it updates well12:16
cityLightsW: GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954612:17
kerioignore that12:17
cityLightsdo you use the n9?12:17
cityLightsdid anyone managed to add google calender sync to the n900?12:18
cityLightsno, still hash mismatch12:18
cityLightswhy is it using
qwazixcityLights, do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*.FAILED12:19
qwazix(check if the path is right)12:20
qwazixI just typed it out of my head12:20
cityLightsteotwaki: does it sync periodical to google calender?12:20
ccxCZPali: 0xFFFF seems to flash even with -s12:20
cityLightsW: Failed to fetch  404 Not Found [IP: 80]12:20
teotwakiit's "calendar"12:20
teotwakinot "calender"12:20
cityLightsqwazix: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/*12:21
PaliccxCZ, I will look at it12:22
qwazixcityLights, the hash sum failed is due to repo index file error, the packages are actually fine12:22
qwazixso apt downloads them in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial with a suffix .FAILED12:23
cityLightsI fixed the source line and I am waiting for the update now12:23
qwazixyou can install them from there with dpkg12:23
qwazixthe source line is only for extras-devel, there are packages with sum mismatch on testing too12:23
qwazixso if you still get the error message the solution I just outlined will do12:24
cityLightsnow its ok12:25
cityLightsI aim to use the n900 gps with the laptop12:26
cityLightsI am looking to do the same with the n912:26
PaliccxCZ, do you have last version from git?12:26
keriocityLights: your url is wrong12:26
keriothere's no such thing as
ccxCZgit version from before the weekend12:27
cityLightsok installed fine now12:27
cityLightskerio: right, I saw and fixed it , and now its ok12:27
PaliccxCz, do you have also full backtrace? (gdb command bt full)?12:27
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ccxCZPali: here you go
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Palithanks, I will look at it12:29
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ccxCZhrm, now it bootloops and bootmenu is gone. luckily rescueos still works12:32
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is
ccxCZgood, according to the docs rescueos does charge the battery too12:34
PaliccxCZ, now I quickly fixed that NULL pointer and simulate param12:36
Palipatches are in git12:36
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ccxCZupdated, compiled, segv :P12:39
ccxCZ-O0 version, remade clean
Paliach :-( glibc detected: double free or corruption this will be harder12:44
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PaliccxCZ, gdb is not usefull for memory corruptions... do you have valgrind?12:44
ccxCZyup, but no real experience with it12:45
Nokian900freakHi guyz12:45
Palinow when simulate flag working, I can try it too12:45
Nokian900freakFinally irc12:46
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Estel_kerio,  it doesn't matter if it's a lot or not, there definitelly wasn't such things before12:53
Estel_ping Pali12:53
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Estel_Pali,  could you look at this:12:54
Estel_since installing kp52 and bme replacement bits, there is strange hardware activity, that I'm 100% sure wasn't the case before12:54
Estel_100% idle device, settled down, without any connections12:55
Estel_core, neon, and mpu are active for 16% of times, when it should be asleep12:55
Estel_16% of time*12:55
Estel_CPU is 9% on C3, when it should sleep at C4 almost completely12:56
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Estel_also, 2.7% C2, which is (summed up with C3) strange12:57
Estel_I suspect those core, neon and mpu are the cause12:57
Estel_it eats more than 10% of standby time12:57
Estel_i.e. idle power usage got higher12:57
Estel_freemangordon,  ^, you may be interested in it too (no idea if using thumb can be related? But, before kp52, no such things, even in thumb...))12:58
Estel_if I can debug it some more, just tell me what to do. Kerio said he also got similar wakeups, he is on kp52 and bme replacement too12:58
DocScrutinizer05emove bme repl12:59
Estel_could do, but bme replacement bits are listed on powertop, with very OK'ish number of wakeups12:59
Estel_so I would rather blame kp52, if anything12:59
DocScrutinizer05bat applet12:59
Estel_tried without it already13:00
Estel_same things13:00
DocScrutinizer05stop processes one after another13:00
Estel_it may be unrelated to KP at all, it's just that due to repos being kinda down, I havent changed anything else13:00
DocScrutinizer05prepare for unadvertised reboots though13:00
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  ok, but which processes? it's hardware wakeup, not software. Or do you mean *all* processes?13:01
DocScrutinizer05unload bq* kmods13:01
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Estel_uh, right, could think about that one myself :P13:01
Estel_will report result at evening... BTW, it would be nice if other people with kp52 and/or bme replacement could test powertop too13:02
Estel_device must be settled down (no recent activity, more than 30 minutes since turning on), with gsm and wifi and whatsnot disabled for some minutes already13:03
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DocScrutinizer05and locked screen?13:03
Estel_(reminder for others, that may be interested)13:03
Estel_"powertop" from extras-devel mirror, then powertop from terminal, and quickly lock screen and lay device flat and idle13:04
DocScrutinizer05I support this investigation13:04
Estel_after 11 sec, powertop will start sampling for 30 sec13:04
* Estel_ nods13:04
Estel_it may be totally unrelated, but anyway, maybe someone will get idea what causes this, then. I'm quite allergic to hardware wakeups :P13:04
DocScrutinizer05same here ;-)13:05
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: have you checked IRQs?13:05
Estel_erm, checked what? :P13:06
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infobothmm... irq is (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users.13:06
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/interrupts13:07
DocScrutinizer05see who's firing13:07
Estel_oook, but should I test it, somehow, when device is idle?13:08
* DocScrutinizer05 bets on i2c13:08
Estel_or just normally?13:08
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 60; cat /proc/interrupts13:08
Estel_here is result of "just cat":13:10
Estel_will do sleep 11; cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 60; cat/proc/interrupts, and lock screen after firing, just like with powertop13:10
Estel_but that need to wait 'till evening, can't drop connections now13:11
DocScrutinizer05273:       6189        GPIO  kb_lock13:11
DocScrutinizer05 12:11    46 Tage 11:58 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,03, 0,02, 0,0013:11
Estel_sorry, yopu lost me on this one?13:12
infobotEstel_ meant: sorry, you lost me on this one?13:12
DocScrutinizer05my device has an uptime of ~46 days and I had 6189 kb-lock slider actions during that time13:13
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DocScrutinizer05sounds insane13:13
Estel_ah :)13:14
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DocScrutinizer05even if each open and close is an IRQ, this would still be ~60 per day13:14
Estel_sound OK13:14
Estel_I think I'm sliding it more :P13:15
DocScrutinizer05this is tk-lock switch I think13:15
DocScrutinizer05well, might be13:15
DocScrutinizer05231:        174        GPIO  slide13:15
DocScrutinizer05which tells you my device is closed now and seen 87 open/close cycles during last 46 days13:16
Estel_oh, as for slider on the right side, I use it even more13:17
Estel_I would bet on ~200 per day13:17
Estel_strangely enough, it's not even worn out13:17
Estel_I think there is difference between revisions @ plastic quality of some part - for sure keyboard sux on 220413:18
Estel_may be, that people with worn-out sliders got them worse too13:18
DocScrutinizer05quite possible, or they have abrassive puches13:19
Estel_my 1st keyboard, which is used *very* much, is still matt and got 0 worn out key labels or not even slightest sratched thing13:19
Estel_OTOH, many others are worn out and "glossy" after few months of usage13:19
DocScrutinizer05abrasive pouches13:19
* Estel_ nods13:19
DocScrutinizer05same here13:20
DocScrutinizer05keymat is worse than battery13:20
DocScrutinizer05new one every year, at least13:20
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, for you only difference over a idle time in proc/interrupts is relevant13:23
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DocScrutinizer05those (I suspect):13:24
DocScrutinizer05 56:  270217988        INTC  i2c_omap13:24
DocScrutinizer05 57:   29466229        INTC  i2c_omap13:24
DocScrutinizer05 61:     601899        INTC  i2c_omap13:24
DocScrutinizer05bq* kmods would have impact on iirc 5713:25
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DocScrutinizer05[root@blade-a ~]# xm list13:32
DocScrutinizer05Name                                        ID   Mem VCPUs      State   Time(s)13:32
DocScrutinizer05Domain-0                                     0  1024    12     r-----  23302.513:32
DocScrutinizer05dns                                         12  1024     1     -b----      4.413:32
DocScrutinizer05firewall-a                                   1   512     1     -b----    579.013:32
DocScrutinizer05monitor                                     13  2048     2     -b----     11.313:32
DocScrutinizer05[root@blade-b ~]# xm list13:32
DocScrutinizer05Name                                        ID   Mem VCPUs      State   Time(s)13:32
DocScrutinizer05Domain-0                                     0  1024    12     r-----  15318.913:32
DocScrutinizer05db                                          20  8192     2     -b----   6243.313:32
DocScrutinizer05firewall-b                                   3   512     1     -b----    312.913:32
DocScrutinizer05garage                                      27  8192     2     r-----    569.713:32
DocScrutinizer05wiki                                        16  1024     1     -b----    307.713:32
DocScrutinizer05www                                         22  2048     2     -b----    294.413:32
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: isn't blade-a a bit under-used?13:39
DocScrutinizer05kerio: this will change13:39
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DocScrutinizer05for now everything is underused13:42
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ampharosmy N900 is shipping - damn you for making me want it for years!14:12
ampharosyou people keep making all this cool stuff for it that my N800 didn't get14:14
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ampharosplus the fact the old N800 is starting to get unreliable: random reboots, a tad crashy, not a lot of RAM (although a class 10 SD card and a helping of swap on it helps)14:15
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ampharosno sim card is going in the new thing though14:19
ampharoscelluar service is a bloody scam, it's way too expensive! I'll stick with my home fibre and my city's (and most restraunts) free wifi14:19
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ccxCZif I wanted to reformat rootfs and optfs by hand, are there any special flags to mkfs I should use?14:35
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kerioyou probably don't want to reformat rootfs14:42
keriobecause nobody understands how to format ubifs14:42
keriooptfs... meh, whatever you want, really14:43
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kerioit's going to be mounted as ext3 with the options listed in /etc/fstab14:43
ccxCZic, thanks14:44
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ccxCZhow do the rootfs backup in bootmenu work then? plain dd?14:44
kerionever ever ever ever use dd on a mtd14:45
keriobackupmenu mounts the filesystem and makes a tarball14:45
kerioon restore, it deletes every file on the filesystem and then unpacks the tarball14:45
keriooptfs is recreated14:46
keriobut that's just a mkfs.ext3 by default, anyway14:46
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ccxCZok, so I can use rescueos to just do that by hand14:49
* ccxCZ thinks rsync --delete and squashfs would be better for rootfs14:50
kerioccxCZ: in which way?14:50
ccxCZto restore the backups, since I don't have backupmenu anymore14:51
ccxCZrsync --delete only overwrites when there are changes14:51
ccxCZand you'd get cheap lzo compression and random access on the backups14:52
keriowell i don't see why that wouldn't work14:52
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Palikerio, I know how to format ubifs15:09
Paliyou need to use ubiformat15:09
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keriooh really :P15:09
Paliubiformat /dev/mtd5 -s 512 -O 512 -f image.ubi15:10
Palibut ubifs must be umounted and ubi deattached from mtd device15:10
kerio*de*attached? really?15:10
Paliyes, because you are flashing ubi image to mtd15:11
Palinot ubifs image!15:11
Paliour rootfs image in FIASCO is ubi image which contains one volume for rootfs15:11
kerioPali: what about creating a brand new ubifs15:12
Paliuse mkfs.ubifs15:12
kerioi assume it's ubimkvol first though15:12
Palithis will create new ubifs image on HDD15:12
Paliin file15:12
Paliand then use ubinize which will create new ubi image from that ubifs file15:13
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Paliand then you can flash that new ubi image to n90015:13
Paliubiformat doing all what is needed to flashing new ubi images (preserve erase counters, ...)15:14
Palikerio, but I did not tried it on real n900, only on desktop with nandsim15:15
Paliand it worked15:15
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Macerubuntu on n900?15:20
Macerso is running on someones eu isdn line now? ;)15:21
warfareMacer: not yet, we have a 9k6 modem for that.15:23
Maceri'm sure DocScrutinizer05 has it hosted somewhere15:24
Macerie: hosted on some vhost server15:25
thedead1440Macer: warfare is the sysadmin for *all* maemo infra15:25
DocScrutinizer05and I'm the manager15:25
kerioand right now, the two servers from nokia are in free CoLo at IPHH15:25
Macerthey're from nokia?15:26
DocScrutinizer05Macer: if you wanna know details, check
Maceri thought nokia dropped the servers and only redirected their dns15:26
Macerthe opensource fad isn't what it used to be :)15:26
keriothey gifted us two quite powerful servers15:26
Macerouldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem)15:27
DocScrutinizer05with 4 blades with 2 cpu sockets each15:27
MacerCouldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem)15:27
* Macer looks around15:27
DocScrutinizer05Macer: oops15:27
DocScrutinizer05which service?15:27
Macerif i was the cio... you'd be fired as  manager lol15:28
Macerdon't make business cards just yet :)15:28
DocScrutinizer05bitch at support@nemein.com15:29
DocScrutinizer05warfare: please look into it15:30
DocScrutinizer05seems aslan has fekkered db when he tried those snapshots15:30
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-25 13:07:45] <aslani> I wonder if we can get those snapshots out of the grid somehow15:31
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-25 13:07:54] <aslani> then again, they are huuuge15:31
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-25 13:13:28] <aslani> and that actually causes interesting problem now15:31
Macerinteresting indeed lol15:31
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DocScrutinizer05Macer: ^^^15:36
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Maceryou don't see the irony of that page being down? :)15:40
Macerwow.. why is nemein being so kind?15:41
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Palikerio, look: and
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Palikerio, I wrote what I know about ubi, ubifs, mounting and flashing15:42
kerioi see15:42
keriodo you know if there's any "tuneubifs" utility15:43
Paliand what should that utility do?15:43
Palithere are more ubi* utilities15:43
kerioPali: for instance, change the default compression method15:44
Palithere are: ubiattach, ubicrc32, ubidetach, ubiformat, ubimkvol, ubinfo, ubinize, ubirename, ubirmvol, ubirsvol, ubiupdatevol15:44
Palikerio, I do not know if there is support in kernel for other compression method for ubifs15:45
DocScrutinizer05compression in ubi most probably optimized for NAND15:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: meh, it's LZO15:45
kerioyou can also use zlib15:45
kerioand no compression15:46
DocScrutinizer05it's not like 2hey, let's go for ueber-leete new xyz compression"15:46
kerioi kinda wanted to test the latter15:46
Palikerio, you can create new ubifs image with mkfs.ubifs15:46
Paliand there is option -x15:46
Palicompression type - "lzo", "favor_lzo", "zlib" or "none" (default: "lzo")15:46
Palibut there is no utility for modifing ubifs filesystem15:46
Palikerio, so you can unpack rootfs, then create new ubifs file, pack it into ubi image and flash it15:47
DocScrutinizer05Macer: only thing i see is a very momentary servie glitch that got fixed by maemo tech staff during <5min after report15:47
kerioPali: ooh, you can also mkfs.ubifs directly on a /dev/ubix_y15:47
Palimkfs.ubifs can create new filesystem in regular file or can call it on /dev/ubi15:48
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Palibut you need to umount ubi dev first15:48
Paliso you cannot do it from maemo15:48
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keriosurely you must have the ubi device attached, to make the ubifs on it15:48
DocScrutinizer05Macer: which, given the fact that we're just migratinng the whole shite again, is really really not a tragedy15:48
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kerioanyway, where would i get the correct parameters for it?15:49
DocScrutinizer05other maintainers would simply announce service downtime of two days15:49
keriolike the leb size15:49
kerioand the minimum I/O unit size15:50
Paliubinfo -a15:50
Paliand from dmesg15:50
kerioCount of bad physical eraseblocks:       115:51
keriooh noes D:15:51
Paliubi and ubifs modules in debug mode printinf more in dmesg15:51
Palinow going offline, bye15:51
DocScrutinizer05Macer: so if I were the IT manager, you would earn a place on my ignore list :-)15:51
DocScrutinizer05ticket response time of <300sec, a dream15:52
keriowhat the hell, why is the logical eraseblock size 126.0KiB15:53
DocScrutinizer05nobody with a brain would fire me for that15:53
keriothis makes no sense15:53
DocScrutinizer05rather they would ask me 2do you need new business cards? We suggest to ad 'wizard extraordinaire' to your title"15:54
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Macerheh. is that the actual domain or is that like... covering the end of it?16:09
MacerDocScrutinizer05: lol. i was teasing. no need to get all bent out of shape :)16:10
Macereven google goes down every now and then16:11
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Macerweight: ~40kg16:13
Macerwow that's pretty heavy16:13
Macerwow the repo is only 900GB?16:14
Macerseems like a lot for just like 2TB worth of data :)16:15
Macer40KG for a switch and 2 servers? why not just run fbsd with zfs with like 3 hard drives for the site/repo/etc and run another vhost for the building bot?16:17
ShadowJKhope repos get fixed soon, I'll need to reflash my spare n900, my main has failing cellmo :(16:17
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Macerf community can't get control over the DNS, we might revert to maemocommunity.org16:19
DocScrutinizer05Macer: this is ONE supermicro server that weighs 40kg16:19
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DocScrutinizer05ONE iron with 8 CPU sockets16:20
DocScrutinizer05usual 2U rackmount16:20
Macerdoes still have that much traffic?16:20
Macer1300EUR/month for the VM, plus 2200EUR/month for the maintenance16:21
DocScrutinizer05plus finnish VAT16:21
Macerthat is a LOT Of money in the overall scope of things16:21
Macerit is not sustainable16:21
DocScrutinizer05that's why we don't do it16:21
jon_yit burns currency for heat16:21
jon_yonly the finest heat16:22
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: everything but rmo extras-devel hashsums seems fine16:23
MacerDocScrutinizer05: yeah but then it's still 2200/eu per month + whatever you get the 1300 down to plus tax16:23
Macerno? are you moving the hosting elsewhere ?16:23
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DocScrutinizer05please see
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Maceroh ok.. but then you have to ship it again to PA ? :)16:24
DocScrutinizer05to WHAT?16:25
Maceroh germany16:25
Macermy mistake16:25
DocScrutinizer05Plan for migration / Timeline16:26
DocScrutinizer05Friday, 22.2. (falk)16:26
DocScrutinizer05Rack Hardware @ IPHH - Hardware is racked16:26
Macerat the end of this month16:26
DocScrutinizer05no, last friday16:26
Maceroh and it's already up? that's nice16:26
Macerso you bought a year :)16:26
Macerany indication on what they will want after the year is up?16:27
DocScrutinizer05probably another crate of beer16:28
Macer> This offer is valid for one year and has to be discussed for renewal after 1116:28
Macer> month.16:28
Macera crate of good beer16:28
Macergermans don't drink crap beer16:28
Maceris there an actual hildon foundation office in PA?16:29
Macer> Hildon Foundation16:29
Macer> 120 West 10th Street, Erie, PA, 16501, USA16:29
DocScrutinizer05or they ask for HiFo doing a whole afternoon giving the clowns for the whole IPHH crew ;-)16:29
Maceri should see if gmaps has that16:29
DocScrutinizer05as a revenge for the paper madness HiFo put on us/them16:30
DocScrutinizer05(just kidding!)16:31
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Macerit's a lawyer's office16:32
Macerknox mclaughlin gornall and sennett = hifo heh16:34
Macerhow much is the retainer for those legal services?16:34
RST38hThere is still Hildon Foundation?16:35
Maceryes... it is called knox mclaughlin gornall and sennett heh16:36
RST38hAnd it is not just some folder in a cabinet at a law firm?16:36
Macerdo law firms still use paper?16:36
Macerfigured they swapped to notarized pdfs by now :)16:36
MacerRST38h: i looked at the place on google maps.. i was hoping it was an actual hildon foundation office.. i'd actually go visit something like that16:37
Macerthat sounds like something that would be cool.. but i can see lawyers anywhere16:38
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: i thought they actually used .xxx for their addresses heh16:42
DocScrutinizer05HiFo an actual office? BWAHAHA16:43
DocScrutinizer05they couldn't afford one week of rent for such office16:43
Macersince .xxx is an actual TLD nowadays16:43
DocScrutinizer05And I wouldn't like them to spend community donations for such BS16:44
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, rly?16:44
Macerwell.. they pay a retainer for the lawyers don't they?16:44
DocScrutinizer05next time I use @@@16:44
Macerxxx = pr0n16:44
Macerjust throwing that out there16:45
Macerwhich is why i was curious if those were actual email addresses or not :)16:45
Maceror if you were just masking the tld16:45
DocScrutinizer05HiFo has paid nuttin except a vBulletin licence so far, afaik16:45
DocScrutinizer05oh, some fees for registration I guess16:46
Macerwell... don't they have the licensing from nokia? :)16:46
Macerso like... what do
kerioMacer: if you find out, let us know16:46
DocScrutinizer05gossip with Nokia16:46
Macerconsidering that hildon may be a big part of the ui but not the real bulk of maemo16:47
Macerif nokia opened everything up hildon would probably be gone by now heh16:47
DocScrutinizer05the name hildon been picked by ... random16:47
DocScrutinizer05not related to what HiFo is supposed to do16:47
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Macerso the hildon foundation has nothing to do with hildon?16:48
* Macer scratches his head16:48
DocScrutinizer05well, it has to do with maemo (and beyond, though I feel they put way too much emphasis to that one)16:48
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DocScrutinizer05but since maemo is a trademark by nokia, HiFo had to pick a different name16:49
DocScrutinizer05also some guys felt maemo foundation was "too limiting in what it suggests this entity is doing"16:49
DocScrutinizer05again I can't agree16:49
Macerer... what else do they do?16:49
Macerdo they feed starving kids in subsaharan africa?16:50
DocScrutinizer05they seem to have "a mission" - that nobody exactly knows of16:50
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DocScrutinizer05something above and beyond maemo (and meego)16:50
Macerwho is in the hildon foundation?16:50
Maceris there a list of names?16:50
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Macerdo they have their own site? heh16:51
Maceri miss symbian. using my e7 made me miss it. i love maemo because of the linuxness of it but symbian is pretty awesome too :-/16:51
Maceri guess maybe because it uses a lot of qt and the interface seems close to maemo minus the xserver and gnu stuff16:51
Maceri used to think symbian was dated until i tried belle.. nokia had a lot going for themselves with it but didn't stay the path16:52
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, I feel like spoonfeeding stuff you could look up $anywhere16:52
Macerit could have marketed well in the US16:52
Macer4 guys? LOL16:52
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Macerfounded in September 2012......... wtf?16:53
kerioand one is a treasurer16:53
DocScrutinizer05>>to handle community oversight and infrastructure.> OMG16:53
DocScrutinizer05to handle community assets16:53
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Maceryeah i'm reading that now16:54
Macerlike... i don't understand how there was a "vote" for these 3 guys :)16:54
Macerwas it done via
DocScrutinizer05that's the fundamental problem with HiFo16:54
Maceror some other method?16:55
DocScrutinizer05there been an election16:55
DocScrutinizer05of some kind16:55
Macerbut how was the election done? i don't understand... you can pay china to make fake accounts and vote for people online i'm sure16:55
kerioi don't think that there were more than three candidates for board16:56
Macerchina sells fake facebook girlfriends for ultimate losers and closeted homosexuals.. i'm sure they can rig an online election rather easily16:56
Macerkerio: maybe i will see how they were "voted in" on their site16:56
Macerlet me finish their "open letter"16:56
kerioMacer: also read the thread on tmo16:57
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MacerThe Hildon Foundation and, specifically, the Foundation Board should be viewed in quite a different light, though. It is the Hildon Foundation that will oversee the transition of the Maemo Community away from Nokia and into the hands of the community. Of course, the Foundation is also very concerned with ongoing development within both the Mer and Nemo projects, so facilitating their future is also quite important.16:57
MacerDocScrutinizer05: are you one of those 3 guys? :)16:58
Maceror warfare ?16:58
warfareMacer: Nope.16:58
warfare<- just providing brains.16:58
Macerso uhm........ the question has to be asked..16:58
Macerif it is a nonprofit .....16:58
Macercan't you request books? :)16:59
MacerNiel Nielsen17:00
Macerwhat an odd name17:00
DocScrutinizer05please ask that on
Macerbut it's a non-profit17:00
Macerthey have to have open books17:00
Maceryou can request them from the govt usually17:00
thedead1440>>> i'm sure they can rig an online election rather easily <<< Seriously? Such statement(s) make even valid criticism sound lame and worthless...17:00
Macerespecially if they're based in the US17:00
Macerand ESPECIALLY if you've contributed :)17:00
Macerie: given money17:01
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: ???17:01
thedead1440there is a donors' wall that i've been pushing them to update more frequently; it lists the vbulletin licence cost and if ever any further payments are made they will end up there17:01
Macerbooks for non-profits are supposed to be transparent so the nonprofit isn't a scam.. you can request tx forms17:01
Macerthedead1440: yeah but if it's just a money scam then i'm sure they'll just trudge through mud getting that going17:02
Maceror say "we have decided..."17:02
DocScrutinizer05Macer: again, please ask that on
Macersounds like the open source evangelists to me17:02
thedead1440Macer: the people on HiFo are NOT without integrity; merely they don't get the facts of the situation and hence end up making wrong decisions17:02
Macerwere they involved at all with the server transition? :)17:03
thedead1440mixing incompetence of sorts with lack of integrity is not something that should be done17:03
DocScrutinizer05Macer: no, basically not17:03
Macerthedead1440: how can integrity be measured without proof?17:03
Maceras a nonprofit you would think that the money given would be completely transparent17:04
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: I was referring to Macer's comment of HiFo rigging the election to be voted in which in all honesty is very lame17:04
Macerthedead1440: i am merely saying that an online vote seems a bit...... unrealistic17:04
thedead1440Macer: did you read the procedure for voting tokens etc?17:05
DocScrutinizer05Macer: WTF are you heading at?17:05
thedead1440Guess not! so read then comment17:05
thedead1440otherwise anyone reading the logs of this channel would think everyone who criticizes HiFo has a similar train of thought like you17:05
Macerthedead1440: i did17:05
DocScrutinizer05then stop asking such stupid questions17:06
Macermy point being that 1 person can have multiple persona which can establish the criteria required to vote17:06
thedead1440Macer: guess you didn't read thoroughly then17:06
thedead1440you needed to have a for at least 3 months with a karma of 1017:06
thedead1440pretty easy for someone to be duplicating personas en-masse?17:07
DocScrutinizer05wasn't that 10017:07
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: 100 was for candidates; 10 for voters17:07
Macerthedead1440: er.....17:07
thedead1440s/ / account /17:07
Macerthedead1440: although17:08
* DocScrutinizer05 wanders off, bored17:08
Macerin your example ... that is for the maemo council is it not?17:08
thedead1440remember account not only tmo account but proper17:08
thedead1440Macer: it was for both elections17:08
Maceri don't know.. without any form of authentication votes seem arbitrary17:08
thedead1440iirc even coding competition had something similar17:08
thedead1440Macer: where were you to suggest alternatives at the time of reckoning?17:09
thedead1440Please don't lay fingers on people's integrity just because of a dislike of them17:09
Maceri don't know anybody to dislike them17:10
Maceri'm merely stating an opinion on the ability to scam votes17:10
GeneralAntillesThere's so much power in HiFo, I can see why a scam would be worthwhile to set up.17:10
GeneralAntillesYou might possibly have access to hundreds--or even thousands!--of dollars.17:10
MacerGeneralAntilles: lol... well... my concern would be more so someone using donations to pay their mortgage :)17:10
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MacerGeneralAntilles: anything is something17:11
Macerand i'm sure when maemo was in its prime it was far more than that :)17:11
thedead1440there were how many; 4 candidates maybe? Woody had said not to vote for him so how could the other 3 possibly set-up a scam?17:12
chem|stMacer: that is why HiFo is a registered NPO afaik17:12
Macerthedead1440: i don't know... let me turn in my foia request and see what they send me back :) i'm printing it now17:13
Maceryou can request nonprofit tax returns as well as other information.. not sure how much the govt would request from the hifo directly tho17:13
thedead1440Macer: sure17:13
Macerbut i'm curious17:13
Maceri'm not doing anything now anyways17:13
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Maceri can drop it off in the mailbox when i pick up my son from school17:13
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Macerthere it is17:17
MacerTax-exempt or political organization returns:By phone: Contact the Tax Exempt/Government Entities Hotline at (877) 829-5500, or send completed Form 4506-A to the address printed on the form.17:17
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DocScrutinizer05yay, how exciting. and so much to the point of the problems we're facing17:22
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daedhelHi, I am trying to sync the calendar on my N900 with google calendars. I try to do this with the "Exchange Mail" in the settings sections, following this guide:  and I get an error17:31
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daedhelanyone can help? Or suggest me another easy way to sync claendars and tasks on the n900 ?17:32
thedead1440daedhel: Google removed support for Exchange on 31/01/1317:32
daedheloh I see17:32
ampharossucks, eh?17:32
daedhelwhat do you guys use to sync you calendars?17:33
ampharosi've been looking for a calendar provider17:33
ampharosi don't trust google...17:33
ampharos(does maemo do caldav?)17:33
thedead1440maybe there is an update of this method that could help:
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daedhelother than that, is there a simple way to sync calendars with anything? like thunderbird or other solutions like that? and I mean locally or in the cloud, whatever, just a way to sync it ?17:41
thedead1440hotmail exchange seems to work till date17:41
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kerio"Don't open connections in parallel, that brings the little devices down to their knees."18:57
kerioin /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00maemo18:57
keriooh you18:57
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DocScrutinizer05you tried to comment it out?20:16
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daedhelthedead1440: hotmail exchange works20:34
thedead1440daedhel: good to hear that :)20:35
daedhelits just a shame to have to go tru thos big corps for syncing... i'd rather do this on my own20:35
DocScrutinizer05new works20:35
daedhelwith ownclou or something similar20:35
daedhelthedead1440: anyway, thanks for the cue ! :)20:35
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: yay20:41
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: new as in on the new iron?20:54
freemangordonyay :)20:54
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DocScrutinizer05you're free to hack your etc hosts and try it, but there's not much to see yet20:55
DocScrutinizer05also, *.m.o doesn't work yet, only m.o/*20:56
DocScrutinizer05w.m.o for example still missing db20:56
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DocScrutinizer05same for b.m.o20:57
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc those are VMs, so I guess it is matter of bringing them up and tweaking the IP addresses20:57
PaliDocScrutinizer05, something new about autobuilder, extras-devel or expired nokia gpg key?20:57
freemangordon(not that it is a trivial task)20:58
DocScrutinizer05nope, alas not20:58
DocScrutinizer05merlin working on fixing hashsum by rebuilding it20:58
DocScrutinizer05X-Fade MIA, so no news with autobuilder20:59
DocScrutinizer05for gpg key issue, _you_ are da man20:59
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freemangordonwell, I'd say gpg key issue is way worse than autobuilder20:59
freemangordonas soon or later it will be under our control (autobuilder)21:00
DocScrutinizer05also way more outside of our domain21:00
freemangordonso even x-fade don;t fix it, we'll do21:00
freemangordon*even if21:00
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, enentually we might be able to do this, but for now nobody has the expertise21:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: shouldn;t be that big problem. alsi IIRX woody said he has some clue about it21:02
DocScrutinizer05nah, woody has a clue about midgard, not so much about autobuilder21:02
DocScrutinizer05he's fixind and augmenting our voting infra21:03
freemangordonooh, right21:03
freemangordonhowever, there are plenty of developers around ;)21:03
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but we can't let a bunch of "$random devels" raid over autobuilder21:04
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure, but "we" or "you" can give them some logs21:07
DocScrutinizer05I can give all the logs you want21:07
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DocScrutinizer05woody to the rescue \o/21:13
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DocScrutinizer05what's a >>fiefdom<<?22:03
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ampharoscanada post is sloooow22:05
DocScrutinizer05ding for ".ie.dom" gives me "chiefdom"22:05
* DocScrutinizer05 feels reminded on looneytoons22:06
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ampharos28th? I can't wait that long!22:33
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DocScrutinizer05for you geeks:
DocScrutinizer05network pr0n22:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: wtf is the uplink to iphh23:01
DocScrutinizer05our network cable?23:02
kerioi see23:02
kerioare we transferring something?23:02
DocScrutinizer05sure, fool23:02
DocScrutinizer05we're migrating stuff23:02
DocScrutinizer05900GB repo for example23:02
DocScrutinizer05nice, isn't it?23:04
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-25 16:45:47] <DocScrutinizer05> xes: I see >>                                                                    =>                                                                     43.1Mb  38.3Mb  38.5Mb<<  and "--bwlimit=5000"23:06
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-25 16:46:11] <DocScrutinizer05> I wouldn't mind going higher with the limit23:07
DocScrutinizer05so, if rmo is a tad slow today, you know why23:08
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Estel_Macer got boring evening, eh?23:28
Estel_and I though that my points about competences and moral value could be boring for readers23:28
Estel_maemo, never stop suprising you (tm)23:29
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n900-dkAnyone using evernote on n900?23:50
ShadowJK900G? !?23:52
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