IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-02-23

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eccerr0rwhoops wrong window00:07
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raandoomhello. is it possible to use *.svg icon for app?00:10
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bef0rdexport is as png00:13
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raandoomand what maximum size of icon in fremantle menu? 48x48?00:28
bef0rd!google maemo wiki fremantle icon desktop00:30
bef0rd~google developer faq site:wiki.maemo.org00:32
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keriowtf, my clock was off a second, and i synced it this morning00:39
ShadowJKwith gps?00:39
ShadowJKover gsm or 3g?00:39
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bef0rdjust a second? :P00:43
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keriofuck this, i'm running ntpd00:44
keriowhy isn't there an anycast ntp server :(00:45
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ShadowJK1.6 ms, 180ms, 0.17ms and -1.6ms offsets00:45
ShadowJKon my desktop :P00:45
bef0rdMartix: o/ hey00:45
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bef0rdM4rtinK: o/ hey00:46
kerioinstead of having to rely on dns load balancing00:46
kerioespecially because i'm not sure if busybox ntpd resolves the name more than once00:47
M4rtinKbef0rd: hi ! :)00:48
M4rtinKwhat can I help you with ? :)00:48
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bef0rdhey, I saw that your Mieru app got approved for BB10, wanted to check if you had any step by step guide of the process00:50
ShadowJKkerio, even normal ntpd only resolves name at startp00:51
keriothat's bs :S00:53
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ShadowJKkerio, it used to never-again-query servers that were intermittently unavailable or unavailable at startup :-)00:55
M4rtinKbef0rd: just a barebones guide here:
ShadowJKBasically, it never adjusted for dialup age..00:56
ShadowJKAnd now it's 15 years later00:56
ShadowJKand it's only marginally improved.00:56
M4rtinKbef0rd: and a packaging example
M4rtinKwhich has ale the compiled libs00:56
kerioShadowJK: hm, does getaddrbyname return *one* of the addresses, at random?00:56
ShadowJKThe OpenBSD openntp is arguably worse in terms of the load it puts on servers, I heard.00:56
ShadowJKkerio, yes00:56
keriontpd -p -p -p -p europe.pool.ntp.org00:56
ShadowJKtry add my hostname too00:57
M4rtinKbef0rd: I'd like to eventually have a step by step guide for it00:57
ShadowJKshould be s300:57
keriook to be fair there's <n> for that reason00:57
ShadowJKis actually st2 for some reason00:57
M4rtinKbef0rd: but I'm guide busy at the moment :)00:57
bef0rdM4rtinK: I see, is there any requirement besides the native sdk?00:57
keriooh, you're in the pool? neat00:57
keriothank you so much for your service <300:57
ShadowJKkerio, I'm not00:57
M4rtinKbef0rd: I think not00:58
ShadowJKkerio, but it's open anyway00:58
bef0rdM4rtinK: ok I'll git it a try maybe tonight, and if I get stuck on something I'll ask you, maybe I can help with the guide00:59
bef0rdgive it*00:59
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ShadowJKkerio, actually, now that I look at it, I sync against one of them happens to be st1 with gps ref00:59
ShadowJK4 reachables01:00
M4rtinKbef0rd: that would be nice ! :)01:00
ShadowJK0.566, -4.747, 11.611, -0.800 offsets01:00
M4rtinKbef0rd: just ask & I'll answer as best as I can :)01:00
ShadowJK-0.800 one is the st101:00
M4rtinKbef0rd: just note that I'll be on a conference on saturday & sunday, so I will probably not be on IRC too much01:01
bef0rdM4rtinK: ok, I'll ping you on twitter01:01
M4rtinKbef0rd: BTW, some information fragments are also here: it is a bit outdated though :)01:02
M4rtinKbef0rd: :D01:02
M4rtinKI'm glad it will be of use to somebody else :)01:04
kerioShadowJK: who decides the stratum?01:04
ShadowJKkerio, time source = 0, computer syncing to source = 1, computer syncing to computer syncing to source = 2, computer syncing to computer syncing to computer syncing to source = 401:05
ShadowJKerr, 301:05
keriowtf is a time source01:05
keriowouldn't that be the higgs field or something01:06
ShadowJKAtomic clock01:06
ShadowJKCommonly, GPS01:06
kerioShadowJK: how do they handle relativistic effects?01:06
ShadowJKBecause GPS sats have atomic clocks, they transmit their time continously, and their clocks are constantly monitored and calibrated by the ground crews01:06
ShadowJKrelativistic effects are accounted for in GPS system, without the accounting it'd be miles off, iirc01:07
ShadowJKThe biggest problem is cheap gps receivers, you can't get accurate time from all of them01:08
ShadowJKbut anyway, ntp was kinda designed in an age when the number of atomic clocks in the world could be counted on one hand01:08
ShadowJKand they weren't being broadcast01:08
keriono, i meant that there's no such thing as synchronicity, if you want to be *really* precise01:08
ShadowJKSo it was envisioned that you'd need a tree01:08
ShadowJKWell yes, time isn't accurate :-)01:09
keriohow do you start an atomic clock?01:09
keriogetting the initial time from another atomic clock?01:10
ShadowJKAs far as I understand it, international atomic time is based on several atomic clocks averaged01:11
kerioi see01:12
ShadowJKThey don't run the same exact speed, because they might be higher altitude or lower altitude relative to eachother, or the earth's density where they are might not be same as at the other clocks01:12
ShadowJKEven if we had 100% accurate machines, the basic fact is that time doesn't run at the same speed everywhere01:13
ShadowJKIsn't it cute how there's an organization with the job of comparing atomic clock data from the past, and determine what the correct time was, in the past01:16
kerioShadowJK: meh, UTC+35s01:16
ShadowJK"In the 1970s, it became clear that the clocks participating in TAI were ticking at different rates due to gravitational time dilation, and the combined TAI scale therefore corresponded to an average of the altitudes of the various clocks."01:17
ShadowJK"corrections were applied to the output of all participating clocks, so that TAI would correspond to proper time at mean sea level (the geoid). Because the clocks had been on average well above sea level, this meant that TAI slowed down, by about 10−12"01:17
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: lattitude01:18
kerioaltitude too01:18
DocScrutinizer05distance to axis, circumference veocity01:18
ShadowJKFlattened sphere thing01:18
keriogravitational time dilation, higher = less gravity01:19
ShadowJKEveryone thinks of time as something absolute01:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: highly irrelevant compared to different relative spped due to differing latitude01:19
ShadowJKBut time isn't absolute01:19
kerioooh, maybe the time desync was caused from the difference in gravity from the couch to the desk01:21
kerioyou know, because IT LOST ONE SECOND AND A HALF in just a day01:21
DocScrutinizer05kerio: at equator a clock is moving with relative speed of almost 2000km/h while at poles it's zero01:21
ShadowJKkerio, in your case it's probably thermal gradient :D01:22
ShadowJKor like01:22
ShadowJKif your initial sync was with ntpdate, all you got was a one-time sync01:22
ShadowJKIt didn't try to adjust the speed of your local clock01:22
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ShadowJKntpd does this, adjusts speed of clock and then only polls once per 1024s01:23
DocScrutinizer05err, you're not talking about 11min mode I gather01:25
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DocScrutinizer05where ntpd adjusts ummmm RTC after sysclosk? or the other way round? every 11min01:26
DocScrutinizer05some funny detauls regarding that stuff with adjusting clocks can be found in munin01:27
ShadowJKI don't know about rtc, talking about where it adjusts speed of sysclock01:27
ShadowJKAll I know is that without ntpd, you need to run hwclock manually with some adjtimex thing..01:30
ShadowJKAnd if you run ntpd you better not touch hwclock program :-)01:30
DocScrutinizer05ntpd is weird stuff01:32
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DocScrutinizer05if you try to *really* understand what they do in there01:32
DocScrutinizer05calculate ping times and whatnot01:33
ShadowJKI used to know this stuff back when I actively used a NSLU2. Its clock was off by about 40% by default :-)01:33
DocScrutinizer05when it comes to milliseconds accuracy, it starts getting funny01:33
ShadowJKHad to set it manually to something vaguely closer to real rate before ntpd would engage01:34
DocScrutinizer05what's an NSLU2?01:34
ShadowJKLinksys Network Storage Link USB201:34
ShadowJKor something01:34
ShadowJKARM, 2 USB ports, Ethernet.01:34
ShadowJKAttach harddrives to USB01:34
ShadowJKExcellent custom firmware support01:35
ShadowJKBetter than some current stuff.01:35
ShadowJKMine died, and I couldn't find new ones. They seem to be acuirable in sweden still though, and very popular with HAMs.01:36
ShadowJKFor running APRS in weirdest locations01:36
ShadowJKHelps that the board is small enough01:36
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ShadowJKThe USB is quite reliable, more reliable than my modern stuff including PCs :(01:37
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DocScrutinizer05nslu2-log: help01:38
ShadowJKAll properties that make it excellent at being thrown into a small plastic box mounted high up in an antenna mast01:38
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ShadowJKecho lol > eccerr0r02:47
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eccerr0rrm -rf *02:53
Drathirnot works without confirm i hear...02:53
eccerr0rbut it's a bourne shell02:54
Drathirbetter rm -rf /*02:55
Drathirand wait when all freeze hrhr02:56
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iluminator105n900 charging area just came out what do i do to fix it05:42
infoboti guess usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)05:42
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Luke-Jriluminator105: I don't think you can fix it after it breaks06:01
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iluminator105Luke-Jr, are you sure06:57
iluminator105online i says you can solder it06:57
iluminator105who says usbunit on n900 can be replaced say yay who says it cant be replaced say nay and we will tally the total yay and nay, i motion a second on this motion07:14
Hurrianbut it is a bitch to resolder though, if you haven't done something that small before.07:17
iluminator105yea i much take it much local place not mess with it let the pros handle it07:18
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kerioWizardNumberNext: duuuuuuude14:54
WizardNumberNextsorry, I didn't realized I am logged here14:55
WizardNumberNextgetting out for sec14:55
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WizardNumberNextsorry for mess. Looks like I didn't wake up properly yet. Ther's no other explaination for lack of understanding of quite clear text15:17
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WizardNoNext-PCwhich revision of A8 is n900 omap?15:24
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jacekowskiit's just "A8"15:35
jacekowskithere is no revisions or anything15:36
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WizardNoNext-PCjacekowski: go to arm documetation - you will see how many revisions of A8 are on market15:47
WizardNoNext-PCr3p2, r3p1, r3p0, r2p3, r2p2, r2p1, r2p0, r1p115:48
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WizardNoNext-PCit have to be one of them15:49
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is, or - for fighting hashsum error15:56
Estel_erm, and for enabling cssu-testing as suplement to cssu-thumb?15:57
WizardNoNext-PChow is going with hashsums anyway? Do anybody is fixing it?15:57
Estel_kerio,  ping :P15:57
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Estel_yea, merlin1991 is looking at it afaik, or plan to15:57
Estel_kerio, you're spec of repos info :P15:57
Estel_situation - device of family member got cssu-thumb in outdated state15:57
Estel_cssu-thumb repo is working OK15:57
Estel_question: which mirror is to be used to cssu-testing15:58
Estel_for installing things that are not thumbified yet15:58
kerioyeah, community-testing on rmo is outdated a bit15:58
Estel_noticed that ;)15:58
kerioEstel_: i assume that domain issues aren't going to be issues, in your case? :)15:58
Estel_thanks a lot15:59
kerioit's a much better repo, anyway15:59
kerioonly the latest version of things, pdiff support15:59
kerio.bz2 things16:00
Estel_i wonder why it can't become the case for rmo?16:00
keriowell i'm not sure about not having old versions16:00
keriobut i assume that merlin1991 will eventually upgrade the repos :)16:01
Estel_I'm just talking about pdiff16:01
Estel_older versions must prevail16:01
keriomerlin1991: y u no pdiff16:01
Estel_what will we do, if marmistrz decide to "upgrade" cryptsetup again16:02
WizardNoNext-PCI have strange problem with wi-fi connection. if I would get disconnected for ANY reason (even manual disconnection on N900 itself) I cannot connect back to same network. Any suggestions?16:02
kerioEstel_: so 2:1.0.7-12maemo0 isn't good?16:02
Estel_not funny, as I'm still using local version when I need to reinstall it - even before repo migration fail16:02
Estel_kerio,  smth was fucked there16:03
Estel_can't recall what16:03
Estel_WizardNoNext-PC,  too less data16:03
Estel_more details pls.16:03
kerio*too little16:03
Estel_kerio, sure16:03
Estel_what a lame grammar from my side it was, said yoda16:04
WizardNoNext-PCsimply, if wi-fi wouls be disconnected, I can try to connect endlessly, but N900 even don't try to connect - does nothing.16:04
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kerio"yoda said", surely :P16:04
kerioWizardNoNext-PC: anything in dmesg?16:04
kerioor syslog16:04
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Estel_WizardNoNext-PC,  define nothing16:05
Estel_does wifi icon blinks16:06
Estel_or what16:06
Estel_what do you use for enabling and disabling wifi16:06
Estel_what dmesg or syslog say16:06
kerioEstel_: can't marmistrz fix it?16:06
WizardNoNext-PCI have two private wi-fi networks - one is Cloud7 and other is (stronger transciver and +5dBi antenna). Usually I use As soon as it is disconnected I cannot force N900 to try to connect. I click and nothing happens. But if I would try to connect to Cloud7 instead - no problem16:06
Estel_kerio, first of all I have no idea, why he upgraded it at all16:07
Estel_dmesg or syslog, as nothing specific here16:08
WizardNoNext-PCit looks like it tears down NIC after it cannot reconnect. Then when I try to connect it loads firmware, but I have no message about wlan0 being brought up16:09
WizardNoNext-PCyeah, every time same thing. Firmware being loaded, but interface isn't brought up16:10
Estel_do you use any program for disabling wifi? at all, not only during given situation16:10
Estel_also, don't assume, just zerobin output16:10
WizardNoNext-PCI do not disable wifi as long as I am home16:10
WizardNoNext-PCgive me sec, I would give you those 3 or 4 lines16:11
Estel_and when you do, how do you disable it16:11
WizardNoNext-PCneed to get usb-network up16:11
Estel_kerio, what was that factoid with bme replacement links?16:11
keriothere you go16:12
kerioi always have to do like three tries16:12
WizardNoNext-PC[14044.814331] wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 35 rx blocks at 0x3a78016:13
WizardNoNext-PC[14044.830017] wl1251: firmware booted (Rev
WizardNoNext-PC[14044.986999] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready16:13
WizardNoNext-PC[14050.400085] wl1251: down16:13
kerioinfobot: #maemo bme-replacement is
infobotkerio: okay16:13
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WizardNoNext-PCstrange thing is it is trying to connect to some AP with strange name - 8 hexadecimal chars16:21
WizardNoNext-PCand in process this name is changing16:21
WizardNoNext-PCwhat the hell16:21
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WizardNoNext-PCtrial to connect to other network failed as well, but at least icon is flashing, while I am trying to get back on same network icon doesn't change. Output in dmesg and syslog are same for both cases16:27
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WizardNoNext-PCnormal connect - first trial - success -
WizardNoNext-PCsyslog here
WizardNoNext-PCmore to come16:50
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infobotbme-replacement is, like,
Paliinfobot: bme-replacement is also
infobotPali: okay16:58
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Estel_MartinK_N9_,  ping17:03
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Estel_I've tested thoroughly modrana with user agent that mimics firefox one (decided to not use chrome one, in case google inserted some hooks there, that would allow identyfiying us as false user agent)17:04
Estel_it *seems* that it's much easier to download large batch of data now17:04
Estel_I've tested it for more than two weeks, since our last conversation17:04
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Estel_I've never got tempban from google, and downloaded things like batches of 2K satellite tiles at once17:04
Estel_with *ZERO* failed downloads17:05
Estel_also, it may be worth, to try separating download threadsa between few google's "mirrors"17:05
Estel_you know, numbers in url17:05
Estel_and even option to throotle (down) download speed, i.e. second or more of delays between every 9 tiles or so17:06
Estel_of course as just option, not default method17:06
Estel_this makes modrana *much* less detectable as non-browser17:06
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jargonIs the extras repo back?17:13
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MartinK_N9_Estel_: OK, thanks for the feedback  :-)17:24
MartinK_N9_both seems to be doable17:25
MartinK_N9_I will let you know once it is in  :-)17:25
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warfareWe are starting with migration, some sites under might be a bit slower..17:57
freemangordonwarfare: wish you luck :)17:58
warfarefreemangordon: Thanks :)17:58
MartinK_N9_good luck !  :-)18:01
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jargonkerio: thanks18:08
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marcello_NAthere is a way to print on maemo?20:36
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NIN101I think on tmo there are some threads about CUPS etc.20:39
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marcello_NAyes but i do not find solutions20:43
marcello_NAonly strange problems on dependencies20:43
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eccerr0r(in the sdk)... and even the sdk wants to download from r.m.o... :p21:29
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keriothere's python2.7 in extras-devel21:32
eccerr0ryeah... 2.5 is all I need but "MD5Sum mismatch" is plaguing me :D21:33
keriouse extras-devel.merlin1991.at21:33
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eccerr0rhmm... no i386 bins21:37
kerioah right21:38
eccerr0roh well still stoked building gtk hello world :D21:40
eccerr0rsomeone had a configure build log of an older pidgin and it said avahi and meanwhile were found... (then again wtf is meanwhile...)21:42
eccerr0rdisabled for now... but not having python2.4 made icd/dbus unhappy and those definitely are needed...21:43
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eccerr0rah... screw meanwhile ( I don't need it for my own use...21:44
eccerr0rmaybe muck with it later...21:45
eccerr0rstill somewhat silly, the sdk vm image has python2.6 on it... but scratchbox does not...  sigh... one of the reasons why I despise python - it's still not stable (in terms of language and how they're continually adding more features so quickly, rapidly outdating old interpreters.)21:50
keriopython 2.4 was released in 200421:52
keriothat's NINE YEARS AGO21:52
keriopython 2.6 was released in 200821:52
kerioand it'll still get security fixes until october 201321:53
eccerr0rthe SDK DEPENDS on python 2.3...  That's what bothers me.21:54
eccerr0rI suspect it's due to supporting the n800, etc., but still, the language changed so much that it breaks it when upgrading21:55
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eccerr0rand these .3, .4, .6, .7 ... are nothing compared to python3. and 3.1 ... Makes me mad having to install two python interpreters on my netbook.21:59
keriopython3 breaks backwards-compatibility, yes22:00
eccerr0roh, and python3.2 is out.22:00
kerio3.3.0 is the current stable22:01
eccerr0reven worse... too many versions...22:01
eccerr0rlucky that bash4 can still run bash1 scripts.22:01
kerioi really don't see why a python3 script that works on 3.0.0 wouldn't work on 3.3.022:02
eccerr0rgranted perl5 had issues with perl4 scripts too... but a lot still worked...22:03
kerioexcept that this is more like perl 5 and perl 622:03
eccerr0rI don't know why the SDK is still 2.322:03
eccerr0rthere are like 4 copies of python on the sdk...22:04
eccerr0r2.3 is for scratchbox?  2.5-armel and 2.5-i386 for compatibility testing, and 2.6 for ubuntu22:05
kerioeccerr0r: apparently it's possible to do without scratchbox22:05
keriodownload the rootstrap, make it a chroot jail, install compilers there22:06
eccerr0rI'm sure it is, but why wasn't the 2.3 copy upgraded? python instability problem... :p22:06
kerioscratchbox is a piece of crap22:07
kerioand besides, there's no way to update it at the moment22:07 is down22:07
eccerr0rnot like scratchbox is the only program plagued by python... though I'm glad gentoo/portage is still being updated to take in new python interpreters... but the 3.x jump is apparently still a problem...22:09
kerioyes, it's a different language22:09
kerioit's also 5 years old22:09
eccerr0rI don't even want to know what python4 will look like22:10
kerioprobably very similar to python 3 and python 222:10
eccerr0rimagine if english changed every 5 years such that we would not understand each other in 10 years...22:10
kerioenglish is a natural language22:11
kerioand it changed *quite a lot*22:12
eccerr0rit has changed but the structure remains the same... mostly nouns and verbs that are added22:13
kerioand python's structure is still pretty much identical22:14
eccerr0rbut backward compatibility broke.22:14
keriohuh... ok22:15
eccerr0rif language changes, it should change gradually... provide simple workarounds if there's something that must change drastically...22:18
keriolike all the tiny changes in python2, or the 2to3 converter provided for python3?22:18
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eccerr0rthe tiny changes in python2, why should scripts in 2.3 break under 2.7?22:19
keriothe biggest offender is the changed try/except syntax22:20
keriohm, actually maybe not even that22:21
keriook, the huge change is that you can't raise strings as exceptions, and "with" is not a valid name anymore22:22
kerioso... why should scripts in 2.3 break under 2.7?22:33
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eccerr0rif programs in the past were written with these constructs, they would break in 2.7.22:47
eccerr0rbad programming style? probably.  but it still breaks... it's a python problem that didn't specify these were "bad" to begin with.22:48
kerioare you saying that it's a python problem that decided to add features?22:50
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eccerr0rno, it's a problem when backward compatibility breaks.23:06
eccerr0rwell, breaks frequently enough such that you need to keep multiple versions around...23:10
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kerioexcept that python 2.3 is NINE YEARS OLD23:11
eccerr0rnine years to python 2.7?23:12
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eccerr0rnine years to python 2._5_ ?23:12
kerioseven years to 2.723:12
keriothe OH SO AWFUL compatibility break that you still haven't provided us a sample of happened with python 2.623:13
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eccerr0rI just need a good explanation why the SDK has 2.323:13
keriobecause it was made in 2003?23:14
eccerr0rand the SDK has 2.5 python on it too!!!23:14
eccerr0rIf they were compatible why wasn't the same 2.5 used for the whole SDK?23:15
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kerioi don't know, i didn't make scratchbox23:17
keriothere's also three separate versions of apt23:18
eccerr0ryeah that's annoying too... but application levels I don't hold to as high standard as languages.23:19
kerioexcept that apt/dpkg also includes dpkg-buildpackage and dh_* and those are used oh so fucking everywhere when building packages23:20
eccerr0r 1152 user      117m S    /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu23:25
eccerr0rneed to prune widgets.23:27
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