IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-02-15

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ecc3gis there a ban on for skeiron? :o00:04
SpeedEvilShadowJK: big jumps are to a degree sometimes needed.00:04
keriowtf is tmodns?00:04
kerioi see00:04
SpeedEvilif the user goes from reading an eBook at minimum brightness to streaming from the camera over 3g, the actual available capacity will drop significantly00:05
ecc3ggetting timeouts accessing that mirror00:05
SpeedEvilespecially with an old battery.00:05
keriofucking chemistry00:05
SpeedEvilon a related matter00:05
SpeedEvilfuel cell for mobiles00:06
SpeedEvilif it will actually go on sale is another question00:06
kerioooh, neat00:06
DocScrutinizer05preliminary "publishing" of MT's great work:
ecc3gnot sure if there's an outright IP block for but I definitely can access from other access points... just that I want to abuse tmobile GSM as much as I can; after all, I'm paying for it :/00:08
keriojust use google dns00:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: that doesn't involve excluding board from any future decision ever :(00:09
ecc3geh... no, my ip address resolves as *, and I get a timeout when accessing but not with other IP addresses...00:09
ecc3git could just be due to tmobile blocking it but... no idea00:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: eh?00:10
kerioit's still good00:12
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keriobut not as good as i were expecting00:13
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: maybe you got a victim of fail2ban?00:19
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: nope, no fail2ban entries active00:22
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: get maemo to install on my e7 with phoenix :-P00:25
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ecc3ginteresting... tmobile probably thinks that site is "evil" ... :(00:26
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DocScrutinizer05jr@linux-pa25:~> mc00:28
DocScrutinizer05Failed to run:00:28
DocScrutinizer05Your old settings were migrated from /home/jr/.mc00:28
DocScrutinizer05to Freedesktop recommended dirs.00:28
DocScrutinizer05To get more info, please visit00:28
MTraceurJust wanted to exclaim my joy - T-Mobile does let IRC traffic through on IPv6!00:28
ecc3gthey let irc traffic through ipv4 oddly enough00:29
DocScrutinizer05MTraceur: nice00:29
ecc3gerr... oh thought you made an sarcastic response about tmobile... heh00:30
DocScrutinizer05poettering's revenge00:31
ecc3gone of the isps I use does not allow irc traffic, so I have to keep on swapping... sigh...hate blocks.00:31
MTraceurecc3g: T-Mobile USA? Or T-Mobile in Europe? I'm in USA. (At least in my area, connecting to freenode irc over ipv4, their DNS servers or whatever other stuff they have in their network getting in the way and cause um, what's it called...00:31
MTraceursasl authentication errors.00:31
ecc3gtmobile usa... I guess I don't use encrypted00:31
MTraceurI don't think they're intentionally blocking it,00:31
MTraceurit's just that they have some mitm stuff going on, that makes the irc client think it's supposed to authenticate over sasl,00:32
ecc3gbut yes they do have mitm stuff with http://00:32
MTraceurinstead of normally connecting.00:32
ecc3gI have to use https:// or openvpn... which luckily they allow00:33
MTraceurHuh. http always works fine for me. Probably different towers/other-network-componenets being differently configured in different locations.00:34
ecc3gI'd also hate to have to vpn back to my home DSL to get around this skeiron issue... can you access through tmoblile?00:34
ecc3goh, http works fine, but there's a mitm.00:35
MTraceurOh, it's possible we have different plans too.00:35
ecc3gthat's possible too00:35
MTraceurAh, gotcha.00:35
MTraceurAlright, I'm getting offline again. Just wanted to share my joy. I can finally do Council meetings over my own client again, instead of a webclient.00:36
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DocScrutinizer05OT: anybody could help why kmail-1.9.10 would do this:01:21
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DocScrutinizer05-rw------- 1 jr users 21813 15. Feb 00:14
DocScrutinizer05-rw------- 1 jr users 35653 14. Feb 23:59
keriobecause it hates you01:23
DocScrutinizer05I.E. the list of seenUIdList which holds the mails that already got downloaded gets truncated from one download to next one, without any obvious reason01:23
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DocScrutinizer05the obvious result of that though is that it downloads the meils with those UIDs again on next download01:24
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, seems my local wetware google is lagging:
povbotBug 185681: was not found.01:31
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keriofor fuck's sake povbot01:33
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DocScrutinizer05anyway it's pretty scary that this happens on every second mailfetch now, on all 4 pop accounts I got01:39
DocScrutinizer05this is a severe PITA01:40
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DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: our r.m.o upstream is down to 8.5Mb/s average03:14
ecc3gbecause of throttling or demand went down??03:14
DocScrutinizer05quite a difference to the 10fold we seen a few days ago03:15
DocScrutinizer05no throttling03:15
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ecc3gany ideas what it was before the downtime?03:17
DocScrutinizer05we had >4000 concurrent connections when we ran into throttling of ISP at 25Mb/s and nothing worked for anybody. We went down to ~450 c.c. when upstream got beefed up to 100Mb/s burst. Now we're at 200 c.c.03:17
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: nope, since that been Akamai server farm03:18
ecc3gwish they told what to expect03:18
DocScrutinizer05We only know from x-fade that there been 30k N900 plus 10k other maemo devices on that server farm03:18
DocScrutinizer05eventually we might want to check how many our logs suggest we got now03:19
ecc3ghow do you check, or just an estimate by ip address?03:20
DocScrutinizer05not much else we could do03:20
ecc3g(like I've connected my phone from a few ip addresses...)03:20
ecc3gah ok, just wonderring if there was an identifier sent or not...03:21
DocScrutinizer05we'd check for unique IP during 24h, downloading resp getting header of Packages.gz03:21
ecc3gi think redhat 9 made an unique code for each install and used that to identify to its repos.  Not sure how debian does it.03:21
DocScrutinizer05only very few devices would change IP and then do update again03:22
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DocScrutinizer05at least I hope that's what HAM does03:22
ecc3gI admit I did it a few times from different addresses when it was failing to sync...03:22
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DocScrutinizer05we can filter out aborted updates - though there shouldn't be any now03:23
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DocScrutinizer05$ netstat -nt|wc -l03:30
ecc3gat 8.5MB/sec 186 connections, average of 45KB/sec/user?03:31
DocScrutinizer05top 20 run from 900..100kb/s03:33
ecc3goh... whoops wrong unit...5.54Mb/sec is really slow... must be a lot of GSM/2G updates03:33
DocScrutinizer05peaks 3.5Mb/s03:34
DocScrutinizer051s peak03:34
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DocScrutinizer0540s peak 3.9Mb/s now03:36
DocScrutinizer05220 c.c03:38
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# netstat -nt|grep -c ESTABLISHED03:39
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DocScrutinizer05oh lol, my karma really suffered during migration ;-P03:46
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DocScrutinizer05I guess I can't stay on council with this   X-P03:47
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DocScrutinizer05karma defunct - problem with next elections anticipated03:54
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DocScrutinizer05with my current karma, I wouldn't have been allowed to run for council. And I guess our voters' base is considerably slow right now03:55
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DocScrutinizer05and the funny stuff: we can't even change the rules since that needs a referendum, and a referendum needs... karma03:56
merlin1991yeah, it's the tmo and the wiki conenction that is lost04:10
merlin1991for me the wiki karma did a huge dent, I'm down to 34 :D04:11
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SpeedEviljust fix irc karma04:21
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merlin1991irc karma would be awesome04:34
DocScrutinizer05actually that would be as much cheating as not fixing tmo and wiki04:34
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DocScrutinizer05and I guess finding a semi-decent formula to calculate karma based on IRC is not trivial04:35
DocScrutinizer05if the formula shall be reasonable and not give spambots most karma points04:36
merlin1991yeah, how do you filter off topic, jokes, cynicsm, unhelpfull stuff, trolls, ....04:36
DocScrutinizer05actually I guess the only proper metrics would be "talk threads"04:37
DocScrutinizer05number of replies to replies to replies....04:37
DocScrutinizer05with a timeout04:37
SpeedEvilthreading is annoyingly hard04:38
DocScrutinizer0510 virtual points for each reply you gave in a "thread", 5 points for each reply somebody else gave in same thread04:39
merlin1991SpeedEvil: threading is easy, getting the friggin stuff in snyc is the problem ;)04:39
DocScrutinizer052 points for replies B gave to C in a thread where A participated04:39
DocScrutinizer05also 2 points for follow-up lines like this one04:40
DocScrutinizer05so this04:41
DocScrutinizer05would give04:41
DocScrutinizer056 points04:41
DocScrutinizer05not 3004:41
DocScrutinizer05maybe even give minus points for more than 8 lines in a row04:42
DocScrutinizer05should help against monologues like my usual ones04:44
DocScrutinizer05what we definitely will NOT use, is infobot's karma04:45
DocScrutinizer05it's tmo thanks storm at it's worst. Rather what could become of tmo thanks when we'd get blame button as well04:46
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DocScrutinizer05~karma SpeedEvil04:47
infobotspeedevil has karma of 104:47
DocScrutinizer05~karma DocScrutinizer0504:47
infobotdocscrutinizer05 has neutral karma04:47
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DocScrutinizer05~ SpeedEvil++04:48
DocScrutinizer05~karma DocScrutinizer0504:48
infobotdocscrutinizer05 has neutral karma04:48
DocScrutinizer05~karma SpeedEvil04:48
infobotspeedevil has karma of 104:48
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DocScrutinizer05~SpeedEvil ++04:48
DocScrutinizer05~karma SpeedEvil04:49
infobotspeedevil has karma of 104:49
DocScrutinizer05luckily I even forgot how it works04:49
DocScrutinizer05~++ SpeedEvil04:49
DocScrutinizer05~karma SpeedEvil04:49
infobotspeedevil has karma of 104:49
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SpeedEvilmaybe it's broken.04:50
DocScrutinizer05~karma SpeedEvil04:50
infobotspeedevil has karma of 204:50
SpeedEvilI recall it working at one point04:51
merlin1991and what did it do?04:51
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DocScrutinizer05nuttin but print "2" now04:51
merlin1991so it was just a counter?04:52
merlin1991ever used?04:52
DocScrutinizer05usually not04:52
DocScrutinizer05~karma microsoft04:52
infobotmicrosoft has karma of -404:52
DocScrutinizer05~karma poettering04:53
infobotpoettering has neutral karma04:53
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iluminator105Hurrian, how do you revert back to stock camera07:53
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iluminator105Hurrian, check you log you give the answer before09:04
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kerio~karma chameleon09:31
infobotchameleon has karma of 109:31
keriopff, no boy george reference09:31
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ccxCZkerio, merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05: just realized that back when talking about eudev I ought to tell you the current channel for it is #gentoo-udev10:50
ccxCZso you can go there and ask the devs directly10:51
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teotwaki11:54:14 up 983 days, 21:08,  1 user,  load average: 1.04, 1.07, 1.0712:54
teotwakiand seeing that12:56
teotwakithe sysop next to me just went "reboot".12:56
jacekowskiteotwaki: that's a lot of unpatched bugs12:56
teotwakijacekowski: yeah, it's also completely off the grid, so no real issues there.12:57
teotwakiand I think they use the non-reboot kernel replacement.12:57
jacekowskithat's somewhere around 2.6.20 kernel probably12:57
jacekowskiyou can't replace kernel without reboots12:57
jacekowskiksplices can only patch very limited things12:57
teotwaki2.6.18 :)12:58
teotwakijacekowski: to be honest, if someone gets into the network, they don't need kernel exploits to root the machines...12:58
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kerioteotwaki: and that's also bad13:17
keriojacekowski: technically you can replace the kernel without rebooting13:17
kerio/dev/kmem is writable by root13:17
kerioyou have to be very good, though :P13:17
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fizziekexec might not technically count as a "real" reboot either. (Not that it probably existed 983 days ago.)13:19
keriofizzie: ksplice doesn't use kexec, i think13:19
keriothey just backport patches as modules, or some weird shit like that13:19
kerioand only security patches13:20
fizzieSure, but it didn't seem to be entirely clear what "the non-reboot kernel replacement" was.13:20
kerioand yeah, kexec is definetely cheating13:22
SpeedEvilsuspend to disk is cheating harder13:23
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teotwakikerio: never said it was good :)13:24
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kerioSpeedEvil: wait, suspend to disk and then boot with a different kernel?13:25
kerio...would that even work?13:25
teotwakikerio: but frankly, there's very little chance anyone could get through. There's an ssh that only listens on an admin-only hard wire, which needs to be connected manually, all other traffic is pure application traffic.13:26
kerioteotwaki: have you checked all the CVEs that apply to the current kernel?13:26
teotwakikerio: if there's no way to reach it, does it matter?13:26
keriomaybe there's a remote execution/priviledge escalation bug that's exploitable via ICMP packets13:27
kerioor ARP requests13:27
teotwakiErhm, how should I put this.13:27
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teotwakikerio: there's nothing else on that network.13:27
keriothen what use is it? :o13:28
SpeedEviloh, no13:28
SpeedEvilsame kernel13:28
kerioSpeedEvil: what happens if you use a different kernel?13:28
kerioshit breaks horrendously?13:28
kerioactually, isn't the kernel loaded in ram anyway?13:29
teotwakikerio: we run a couple hundred servers, please don't assume you know everything there is to know.13:29
keriowouldn't the original kernel get restored?13:30
teotwakikerio: our use cases may differ vastly from what "classical" production does.13:30
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keriohm, according to there's a dude who has 11 years of uptime on a mac13:31
jacekowskias far as i know it's impossible13:32
keriojacekowski: perhaps he's running os x beta?13:33
kerioeven 10.0 would work, it's been released in 200113:33
jacekowskiiirc, there is something about how the uptime is stored13:33
jacekowskiand clock will reset after 420 days or something13:33
kerioMax Uptime:17 Years 6 Days 21 Hours 47 Minutes13:34
keriobut it's a cluster, i don't know if it counts13:34
jacekowski95.32 idle13:34
teotwakiTotal Uptime:86 Years 63 Days 9 Hours 47 Minutes13:34
jacekowskisounds fake for a cluster13:34
teotwakiwait, what?13:35
zl2toduptime * noofprocessors13:35
teotwakiwhich is a pretty stupid metric13:35
kerio ok, this website is bullshit13:36
jacekowskinot if he has 4x 8 core xeon13:36
jacekowskiwith HT13:36
jacekowskithat would be 64 visible cores13:37
keriohm, 4 years13:37
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jacekowskibut yeah, whole uptime thing is easy to fake13:37
keriojacekowski: more importantly, where's the nuclear reactor to power the xeons?13:40
Gh0stydont forget the cooling towers! :p13:40
teotwakiCool Towers? I use the moon as my heatsink, bitches.13:41
keriospace is actually quite a crappy heatsink13:41
teotwakiYou say space, I say the moon.13:41
teotwakiIt's filled with cheese.13:41
teotwakiAwesome heatsink.13:41
keriobut then the cheese would melt!13:41
teotwakiOf course not.13:42
teotwakiIf cheese melted13:42
teotwakiThe sun would've taken care of that years ago.13:42
kerioright, how stupid of me13:42
teotwakiAnd we'd just have a ball of fondue floating around planet Earth.13:42
teotwakiHence, cheese doesn't melt.13:42
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keriowhat if we *do* have a ball of fondue13:43
teotwakiIf we did13:43
kerioand the moon landings were staged because you can't walk on fondue13:43
teotwakiThen the mirrors on its surface wouldn't reflect properly.13:43
kerioyou put the mirrors *over* the fondue13:44
kerioit helps to glue them in place13:44
teotwakiyeah, but it'd drift away13:44
teotwakiit's fondue dude13:44
teotwakithe mirrors would sink13:44
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keriotransparent cheese13:44
teotwaki983 days was nice to see :)13:45
kerio"was"? D:13:45
teotwakiProbably our record13:45
kerioyou monster13:45
teotwaki<teotwaki> and seeing that13:46
teotwaki<teotwaki> the sysop next to me just went "reboot".13:46
keriooh, he actually did it ._.13:46
teotwakiwe migrated the services from it last night13:46
teotwakiso the machine will now be reinstalled/repurposed for backup duty.13:46
DocScrutinizer05you seen server moving video?13:48
* kerio did13:48
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: link please14:51
DocScrutinizer05ask kerio, I lost it14:51
kerioask the chanlog14:52
DocScrutinizer05just busy with mashiara, sorry14:52
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keriothere you go:
kerioteotwaki: haha, i didn't realize it, the server had a 7-years uptime14:53
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: :-D good mail15:21
keriopastebin pls15:22
DocScrutinizer05Pali: Niels is working on autobuilder to fix it, since err... a week15:22
PaliDocScrutinizer05, sorry but from my point of view this seems like maemo is turned off15:22
Palimaemo developers cannot do anything15:23
Palimaemo testers also15:23
DocScrutinizer05Pali: we (council, tech staff) are not happy with this either. Just there isn't that much we can (competence, access) or are allowed to (HiFo approval, access) do15:23
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PaliI (as cummunity developer) did not received any message15:24
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I constantly pushed behind the scenes. A week ago Eero told us that X-Fade is now working on it to fix it15:24
PaliDocScrutinizer05, at least somebody from board/council/... should write message to maemo developer mailinglist whats happening15:25
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DocScrutinizer05to give credit where credit is due, it probably been last week's meeting between Nokia, Nemein and board that finally made things move15:26
Palibecause silence for community developers means it is going killed15:26
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: please join tonight's maemo council meeting and bring it up15:26
PaliDocScrutinizer05, time & channel15:27
kerioPali: #maemo-meeting every friday, 18:00 UTC15:27
DocScrutinizer05my plate is more than filled with critical migration management, so maybe one of the other council guys can pick it up and send a mail to ML15:27
Palikerio, ok15:28
DocScrutinizer05technical sidenote: it seems that root culprit is account/auth management located on garage15:29
M4rtinKit is really good to know that things are moving in the right direction ! :)15:32
M4rtinKthanks to all involved BTW ! :)15:32
M4rtinKI'm using a temporary repository in the meantime, but considering that most N900 users probably don't read TMO or are not as advanced as to add a new repository15:33
M4rtinKmost probably think I didn't update modRana since November :)15:33
M4rtinKso I'm relly looking forward to a working autobuilder :)15:33
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kerioPali: is it possible to add "keys" or whatever they're called to a hal device entry?15:44
Palikerio, I'm sure that it is possible to update values (some only as root)15:44
keriobetter question: is it possible to add keys to a hal device entry dynamically?15:44
kerioor do they have to be specified somewhere?15:44
Paliso I think it should be possible to add also15:45
Palikerio, call: libhal_device_set_property_string15:45
Pali(or libhal_device_set_property_int)15:45
Palior other libhal_device_set_property_* function15:46
kerioi was thinking that hald-addon-bme should be the one providing time-to-empty and time-to-empty-if-idle15:46
kerioand percentage15:46
kerioso the battery applet becomes much, much simpler15:46
kerioespecially because hald-addon-bme can decide to provide those values straight from bq27k, when appropriate15:47
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DocScrutinizer05yes, that's the way to go15:55
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DocScrutinizer05it's quite disappointing that HiFo (Robert) _can_ answer mail from Nemein within 2h, while mail from council - however carefully and politely worded and of whatever high urgency and relevance - gets ignored same time16:08
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DocScrutinizer05I have a *very* hard time trying to apply the good old principle of "never attribute to malice..." here16:12
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toprokerio, DocScrutinizer05: n900 timer resolution seems to really be 50ms, verified using gettimeofday. so I assume kernel HZ is 20016:31
keriothat sucks :s16:32
toprobut I found another way to get a high res tick. I'm using an audio recording cannel with 4000 hz sampling rate and count samples ;)16:32
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topro^^ but that only works flawlessly as I need the time interval between events (spikes) within the audiostream as well16:34
DocScrutinizer05ohohoh, better wipe PA out of your picture then. direct alsa card may work, PA most certainly won't16:34
DocScrutinizer05NB that PA offers a fake ALSA card to apps16:34
keriotopro: instead of an audio recording, use alsa's snd_timer_read()16:35
kerioaiui it should do the same thing for you16:35
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, but on a *real* alsa device, not on PA's alsa compatibility layer fake16:36
toproah, now I see. thats an interesting option. but as you say it works fine for me just counting samples. cpu load is ~3%16:36
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toproas my code has to iterate through theses audio samples anyway to detect spikes there is nearly no overhead16:37
DocScrutinizer05but jitter16:37
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DocScrutinizer05if this is a normal audio stream that's managed by PA16:37
toprojitter because I get those samples in packets you mean?16:37
DocScrutinizer05it is NOT realtime16:38
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toprowell actually I don't even know what backend I use, I'm usinf QAudioInput16:38
DocScrutinizer05it's however exactly the right thing to analyze audio, since you basically got implicit timestamps on each sample, for non-realtime deferred processing16:39
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toprothats exactly what I am doing, realtime doesn't matter in the sub-second scale16:39
toprofor my current task that is16:39
DocScrutinizer05then your approach is basically the only correct one16:39
DocScrutinizer05and PA doesn't matter either in this case16:41
toproif i would need realtime, snd_timer_read() would be my friend using plain alsa?16:41
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toprocould you please explain PA to me?16:41
DocScrutinizer05app -> PA-fake-ALSA -> PA-soundserver -> real (ALSA) hw audiocard16:42
toprowell actually what does "PA" stand for?16:42
toproah, sorry16:43
DocScrutinizer05err Polypaudio, nah PulseAudio16:43
infobotit has been said that pa is PAY ATTENTION!!!!!16:43
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DocScrutinizer05another poettering abomination16:44
toproso there is a real alsa hw on n900 I could use to get timer ticks?16:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, PA sits on top of a real ALSA kernel implementation16:44
DocScrutinizer05the kernel soundcard hw drivers are ALSA16:44
toproso what would I have to take care of to get ther right backend?16:45
DocScrutinizer05good question16:45
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DocScrutinizer05I guess as long as PA is running, access to real ALSA *stack* is hidden from apps. What is available are the alsa soundcard stubs in /dev/sound16:46
DocScrutinizer05though might be locked by PA having them opened16:46
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SpeedEvilos this just to get timer?16:46
SpeedEvila timer16:47
SpeedEvilor for use with sound16:47
toproto get a high res timer16:47
DocScrutinizer05I dunno. For high resolution timers there are other better alternatives than soundcard16:47
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toproon n900?16:48
kerioi thought soundcards were really good at timing16:48
DocScrutinizer05you could e.g. exploit one of the PWM counters16:48
SpeedEvilyou don't use them as clocks if you've got clocks16:48
SpeedEvilI thought there was a high res timer anyway16:49
SpeedEvilis it not eszpe?16:49
DocScrutinizer05it should also be available, yes. AFAIK16:49
DocScrutinizer05FIQ is another possible approach, depending on what you want to do16:50
toprook, i see there are some possibilities. for the moment I need the time between two spikes in audio stream, so I think I will go with counting samples. If one day I would need another real high-res timer I'll evaluate some of your proposals ;)16:51
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ShadowJKtopro; i would assume tickless kernel17:50
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ShadowJKtopro: for timing between two audio spikes, counting samples is ablutely the way to go17:50
ShadowJKThe only thing you'd maybe want a timer for, is to determine whether actual samplerate is the requested 44100 or 4409917:50
ShadowJKdo that over longer period and system timer granularity doesn't matter as much17:50
toproShadowJK: thanks17:51
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FIQ<DocScrutinizer05> FIQ is another possible approach, depending on what you want to do18:09
FIQoh wait18:09
FIQit was not pointed to me18:09
DocScrutinizer05your fault ;-P18:10
FIQmeh :P18:10
FIQI've used this nick for way too long to be interested in changing it18:11
DocScrutinizer05sorry for highlight18:11
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DocScrutinizer05yay, it's really funny how one can spend the whole day, week by week, with just managing migration issues. I just suggested hidden primary for our DNS issues, let's see if that will fly18:13
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DocScrutinizer05Nemein/Eero is not averse and will support us18:14
DocScrutinizer05even donate a location and IP for the NS18:14
DocScrutinizer05yay, if our migration business continues developing the way it does, I start to wonder if we ever need to do the final big cut18:27
DocScrutinizer05but it seems Nokia will insist in that big cut, to get rid of responsibility for maemo.org18:28
DocScrutinizer05topro: may I ask what nifty stuff you're building?18:30
DocScrutinizer05acoustic ping?18:31
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SpeedEvil boom19:22
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SpeedEvilwow (not directly on topic) - meteor19:23
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SpeedEviloooh. altimeter chips in phones could as a distributed network do energy analysis of such blasts19:24
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: (meteor) yeah, 28000km distance, allegedly. But when, exactly?19:25
SpeedEvil12hish ago19:25
SpeedEvil900 injured19:26
DocScrutinizer05nah, not the tiny meteorites in .ru19:26
DocScrutinizer05the "big" one19:26
DocScrutinizer05(65m big iirc)19:27
DocScrutinizer05allegedly passing by in only 28000km distance19:27
SpeedEvilnot very tiny, probably a few m in diameter19:28
DocScrutinizer05it theoretically might hit satellites19:28
DocScrutinizer05or earth if they did an oopsie in their calculations19:29
SpeedEvileasy to compute.19:29
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but 28000km is *really* tight19:29
DocScrutinizer05and I honestly can't believe the .ru incident is by pure chance19:31
SpeedEvilnot as tight as 019:31
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, you do know when it's supposed to be most close to us, aka "pass by"?19:31
SpeedEviltonight, 8 pm ish for you19:33
SpeedEviland good sky needed19:33
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: *if* they knew it will hit somewhere, but can't exactly calculate *where*, don't you think they'd tell exactly this: it will pass by very close19:33
SpeedEvilI meant zero for the one that hit today19:33
SpeedEvilalso, it was observed closely yesterday. orbit is very well known19:34
DocScrutinizer05they mustn't tell "it will impact somewhere in $arbitrary-huge-area-with-millions-of-people", since that would for _sure_ cause a high number of fatalities even when the meteor would miss earth19:35
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DocScrutinizer05they won't lie about the timing though, probably19:37
SpeedEvilthere is no they19:37
DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure19:37
SpeedEvilamateur s also picked it up19:38
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure they did. But can they do *exact* measurements of orbit parameters and then do the calculations to a precision better than 28000km error?19:39
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess velocity measurement is a quite demanding process19:39
SpeedEvilyou measure it against the fixed star background19:41
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DocScrutinizer05that's tangential velocity relative to us19:41
DocScrutinizer05axial velocity directly towards us is hard to measure this way19:42
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SpeedEvilcorrelating with older images lets you derive an orbit very closely19:42
DocScrutinizer05there's basically only radar and size-changes19:42
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, if complete orbit parameters are known, you can use pure math19:43
DocScrutinizer05unless those parameters changed by events that happened while the object not been in our vicinity19:44
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DocScrutinizer05collecting a bit of dark dust so albedo changes is enough to change orbit parameters enough for an error of >28000km, give the speed of earth on its orbit around sun19:50
SpeedEvilthe radial velocity can be closely estimated in most cases from the tangential velocity evolution and orbital mechanics19:53
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: could you pastebin the output of `dpkg --get-selections`? i'm still trying to figure out wtf is wrong with my Conversations, and maybe it's caused by something that i deleted20:01
DocScrutinizer05no, since now is meeting time20:01
keriobut it'll take a second! :(20:01
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil; someone on radio said the orbital params of the russia meteors don't match the one being tracked21:07
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Estel_I'm absolutely sure, that today's meteor shower is not corellated with any asteroid, but it's omen of DocScrutinizer05 leaving administrator position, fools.21:37
Estel_OTOH, quick question21:38
Estel_what si the most lightweight solution to manipulate content from live webpage on n900 itself, aka equivalent of firefox'ish "live http headers"?21:38
Estel_reason is trivial - me wanna to grab some swf file from some site that obscure it21:39
Estel_could use desktop for that, but I'm pretty sure N900 should be able to :)21:39
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Estel_and, question 2 - what is, actually, the most lightweight from available solutions, to create a http sever on N900 - for localhost use only, in fact to "cheat" swf files, that have hardcoded requiments to run from certain domain21:41
Estel_(so i "create" that domain and run it from localhost21:41
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kerioEstel_: i'd say busybox-power's httpd :)21:44
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kerioi'm not sure of how lightweight it is, though, compared to lighttpd or nginx21:44
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eccerr0ri've used busybox httpd on a 256MB x86 (266 MHz Geode GX1)... seems to work ok, doesn't overwhelm the system. it works with cgis too... but unsure of security :o  no ssi though...22:19
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eccerr0rthe n900 is faster than the gx1 at least...22:21
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kerioeccerr0r: it would be strictly local-only, if i understood Estel_ correctly22:22
kerioalso, afaik busybox httpd is used by dd-wrt22:22
eccerr0rn900=5x geode gx1@26622:24
eccerr0ras long as it's configured correctly... httpd needs to be run as root to bind to port 80, which it will happily do...22:25
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Estel_eccerr0r,  kerio, thanks a lot22:41
Estel_lol, never thought about busybox's httpd22:41
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Estel_any ideas about first part of question, i.e. dissecting http headers?22:41
Estel_to get GET calls to actual content that I want download, that is, otherwise, obscured?22:42
ShadowJKtcpdump port 80 -s 0 -o outfile22:42
ShadowJKopen with wireshark22:42
* ShadowJK forgets if -s 0 is infinite capture length, and if -o is the right option22:43
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gregoaEstel_: not sure about your use case, but `python -m SimpleHTTPServer' is a pretty simple httpd22:47
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keriogregoa: blah23:00
gregoakerio: I'd prefer "plackup -MPlack::App::Directory -e'Plack::App::Directory->to_app'" but I don't think libplack-perl is in maemo :)23:01
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keriogregoa: twistd web --path .23:07
gregoakerio: nice, thanks23:08
keriotwistd is the multi-purpose Twisted daemonizer/launcher23:08
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DocScrutinizer05hey guys, you know i usually have "hide join/part/nick", just temporarily enabled it for council meeting. Why nobody of you pinging chanops about annoyance like <-- thomasvs has left this server (Excess Flood).23:11
kerio/mode +b $a:thomasvs$##fix_your_connection23:13
DocScrutinizer05your wish is my command23:13
kerioif we want to get all fancy23:13
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DocScrutinizer05if that's what you want me to do23:13
kerioit seems to have stopped23:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you're a good op, your intervention fixed it :323:14
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: he doesn't seem to join when already identified23:15
keriothat thomasvs dude23:18
keriohe answered three times to a ctcp version23:18
DocScrutinizer05I've seen him changing host, yeah23:18
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05, as for myself, I also have join/part hidden :P23:18
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, now?23:23
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: /mode #maemo +b $x:thomasvs*$##fix_your_connection23:24
kerioi'm fairly certain of that23:24
kerio(redirect to ##fix_your_connection which is /the/ channel for this)23:24
sixwheeledbeastI use join/part hiding in pidgin, set to hide if user was idle for >10 min23:26
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AoyagiThank you23:33
DocScrutinizer05I doubt this been a wellformed ban23:33
DocScrutinizer05looks kinda strange to me23:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm just too lazy to check that weird syntax23:34
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DocScrutinizer05and semantics of x etc23:34
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ShadowJKfreenode extensions23:36
DocScrutinizer05I heard of them but don't know them by heart23:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it worked23:37
DocScrutinizer05and too lazy to find the right webpage23:37
keriono, wait23:37
kerio...he was already there, lol23:37
DocScrutinizer05ban doesn't kick23:38
kerioyeah, i figured23:38
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DocScrutinizer05but noooow23:38
keriohe joined ##fix_your_connection :D23:38
keriobut he was already redirected there by another channel, i think23:39
DocScrutinizer05lol, myrtti is chanop there, why does this sound familliar to me?23:41
kerioidk, why?23:41
kerioalso deop23:41
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* DocScrutinizer05 shakes fist against smokedetector, rubs his ears and takes a breath from cig23:42
kerioalso buy an ecig23:43
DocScrutinizer05meh have that23:43 they trip smoke detectors up?23:43
DocScrutinizer05sure they do, when you use them close to it23:44
keriobut it's just vapour!23:44
DocScrutinizer05but that "smoke" vanishes way faster23:44
DocScrutinizer05so no building up of critical concentrations during council meetings23:45
DocScrutinizer05next time I'll open the window before meeting stats23:45
keriowhy do you have a smoke detector anyway23:45
DocScrutinizer05because I am declared dead by firebrigades, police, and paramedics23:46
DocScrutinizer05I survived a fire in my flat23:46
DocScrutinizer05don't want to try my luck again23:46
kerioelectric fire?23:47
DocScrutinizer05probably dirt cheap desk vacuum cleaner23:47
DocScrutinizer05overcharging NiMH23:47
keriohmm... chemical fire then?23:47
sixwheeledbeastionization smoke detectors will trigger on any particles/vapour etc. There the most sensitive type of detector.23:48
cehtehoutch .. told ya, dont use the 787 cells23:48
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kerioanyway, i don't smoke and i don't clean my room23:48
kerioso i hope i'm safe23:48
DocScrutinizer05the AAA cells got hot, started plastic of vacuum to burn, and that ignited my shelf with books23:48
keriowhich books did you lose?23:48
cehtehcan you sue the producer for compensation?23:49
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DocScrutinizer05for sure not23:49
DocScrutinizer05the true reason wasn't to find anymore in that ashes23:49
* cehteh buyed some ammo boxes for charging LiPo's23:50
DocScrutinizer05but I know what been there that could've started a fire23:50
keriocehteh: isn't that... overdoing it?23:50
cehtehkerio: big ones for a hexacopter23:50
keriohm, then maybe it's more justified23:50
DocScrutinizer05hehe, probably the 100 rounds 9mm ammo saved my life, when they went off in the fire and awakened me23:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: this made me realize, i don't know where (and if) the fire extinguisher is23:51
DocScrutinizer05I *know* where mine is23:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: can i borrow yours if there's a fire here?23:51
DocScrutinizer05back when I extinguished the fire with water from bathroom23:52
DocScrutinizer05firebrigades didn't believe me23:52
DocScrutinizer05they all said "hey dude you oughta be dead"23:52
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keriohehe, how do you answer something like that?23:53
kerio"sorry to disappoint"23:53
DocScrutinizer05nah, I answered "oh yeah, now I'd appreciate you taking me to hospital, i just noticed my face falling off"23:54
DocScrutinizer05(before I sent away the paramedics)23:55
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DocScrutinizer05took a while (and a mirror) till I noticed my whole face got burned23:55
keriough, how much?23:56
cehtehkerio: btw:
DocScrutinizer05so much that it took 4 week to heal, with lots of medi from hospital23:56
keriocehteh: also dang23:57
xes...don't ever try the 18650 batteries..23:59

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