IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-02-14

teotwakithe simple fact that there's mentions of CTOs, managers and sysops is mindblowing.00:00
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teotwakiI mean, fuck me. Are you guys going to keep wanking over who gets the CEO title?00:00
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, you're an old person00:00
teotwakiHow the fuck do you think all those hundreds of free software projects ever got to work, by first electing who the fuck was gonna get root?00:00
DocScrutinizer05kerio: nope, merlin is boss of all cssu00:01
teotwakiNokia bureaucracy didn't just kill Nokia, it infested and infected every single project Nokia was close to.00:01
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: technically mag is still my boss ;)00:01
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: you're older than me, twat.00:01
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, really?00:01
* GeneralAntilles is old00:01
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: dunno, that was a bluff00:02
GeneralAntillesHow many layers of bureaucracy does a tax entity and a couple servers need?00:02
n900-dkThen, how can we force HiFo to have schedule a meeting asap - this subject can't wait until March00:02
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, my world was momentarily shattered.00:02
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: too many00:02
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: what year?00:02
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, 1987.00:02
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: sorry but "your" HiFo just 10min ago killed me00:02
teotwakiI gotta go00:02
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: douche00:03
teotwakiyou're younger.00:03
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, I haven't even had a follow up to the appointment.00:03
teotwakiwhat's that? A Floridian attempt to use a french accent? Did you mean... touché?00:03
GeneralAntillesIt's douche with a t.00:03
teotwakifunny thing is, "toucher" has become a proxy for "sexual molestation".00:04
teotwaki(toucher, the verb "to touch, to hit")00:04
* GeneralAntilles emails the board about something or other.00:04
GeneralAntillesDo we have an HR department I can file a complaint about teotwaki with?00:04
GeneralAntillesHostile work environment. . . .00:05
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: yes, however, you are only allowed to file a complaint with the HR bureau if you have proper authorisation from your level 2 manager. In order to get that approval, your level 1 manager, or level 3 director, may place a formal demand using the 5EX-form.00:05
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: just /quit. Go grab a beer, chill out. No need to fester about it here.00:06
teotwakiDocScrutinizer: I feel for you, I think I can understand where you're coming from on this one, but there's not much anyone here can do.00:06
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Sc0rpiuswhat VPN00:07
Sc0rpiusare you using OpenSwan? please don't00:08
teotwakino idea what they're using.00:08
teotwakiI just get a login, and connect to it.00:08
teotwakiBut it wouldn't stay connected for over 3 minutes to save its own life.00:08
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: what's your involvement these days in maemo?00:09
GeneralAntillesSomething about a communications manager for HiFo00:09
teotwakiI'm impressed.00:10
teotwakiI remember you, PM'ing me, roughly... 5 years ago? Saying you'd had enough of maemo, and that you thought it was time to move on.00:10
GeneralAntilles5 years ago was Bad Days for me.00:11
teotwaki5 years ago was Bad Days for most of us.00:11
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teotwakiWe were still in puberty!00:11
teotwaki(yes, we're late bloomers, we like to play with computers, OK?)00:11
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DocScrutinizer05today is my day to say so00:12
GeneralAntillesHooray for toxic personalities.00:12
teotwakiI guess there's a difference00:12
DocScrutinizer05I got my own server with all the goodies on it, I don't really need the whole friggin infra anymore00:12
GeneralAntillesGive it a night's sleep before you burn anything down. :D00:12
teotwaki5 years ago, we hadn't had elop, 5 years ago, we'd just come back from Berlin, and planning Amsterdam.00:13
DocScrutinizer05I'm not going to burn down anything - I simply stop doing *anything*00:13
DocScrutinizer05incl answering this mail00:13
DocScrutinizer05not worth my time and my nerves00:13
teotwaki5 years ago, people were spending 5 minutes after coffee joking about a "fixed in fremantle" t-shirts.00:14
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GeneralAntillesI haven't worn that one in a while.00:14
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teotwakiI'm actually doing that one again now00:14
teotwakiI've ordered a dozen t-shirts for the team00:14
teotwakifront says (in italics): Anything00:15
teotwakiand on the back00:15
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kerioyay irc00:15
teotwakikerio: did you just go yay because I used bold?00:15
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keriono, because irc is easier than mail00:16
teotwakibasically, I work in a company that provides call centre services00:16
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teotwakiwe plug into your existing phone system, no up front cost, you configure your IVR, routing, whatever.00:16
teotwakiNow, we're trying to do the same with email00:16
teotwakiFuck me, hardest thing ever.00:17
kerioyeah, mail is ridiculous00:17
teotwakiOn 1st April, we go live.00:17
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teotwakiI'm fairly sure that by noon, we'll be blacklisted on every single mail server in the world.00:17
teotwakiWe implement SPF, DKIM, whatever you want. Fucking emails still get flagged as spam.00:17
teotwakioooh, GeneralAntilles, want to see a !cool marketing video about what we do?00:18
kerioteotwaki: so basically you try to be google apps00:18
kerioexcept that you're not google00:18
teotwakigoogle apps? Fuck no.00:18
keriogoogle apps mail00:18
kerioor something00:18
teotwakiwe route email.00:19
teotwakiYou have a address00:19
teotwakiwhen an email comes in, we match it to an agent who's both available, and qualified to manage that email00:19
GeneralAntillesHit me with it.00:19
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DocScrutinizer05just to let community know who kills maemo00:21
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: if you have a phone number, I can make our servers call him every 3 seconds, over the next 2 months :)00:23
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: thoughts?00:24
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: sorry but board not even hands out own address for paperwork to prepare for them, with - warfare had to use the address from whois hildonfoundation.org00:24
kerioteotwaki: whois has to list a phone number00:24
keriogo for it00:24
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, it's pretty decent, actually.00:25
thedead1440Tech Organization:Hildon Foundation00:25
thedead1440Tech Street1:50 Majestic Ct.00:25
thedead1440Tech Street2:#31000:25
thedead1440Tech Street3:00:25
thedead1440Tech City:Moorpark00:25
thedead1440Tech State/Province:California00:25
thedead1440Tech Postal Code:9302100:25
thedead1440Tech Country:US00:25
thedead1440Tech Phone:+1.805559300500:25
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keriospam, dude00:25
thedead1440just saying....00:25
GeneralAntillesThat's Tim's contact info, isn't it. . . .00:25
teotwakiI could even make the call originate from s.elop's phone, if anyone has that :)00:25
teotwakiyeah, it's Tim.00:25
DocScrutinizer05yes, and Tim isn't the right person to spam00:25
teotwakithedead1440: nice job on publishing his phone on the interwebs :)00:25
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, the voiceover needs fewer extraneous buzz words00:25
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: yeah, it's marketing.00:26
thedead1440teotwaki: i give a rat's a** about it00:26
GeneralAntillesBut I'm not its target audience so I'm not in a good position to judge00:26
GeneralAntillesPacing is a little slow.00:26
teotwakithedead1440: except Tim is a good dude, he doesn't deserve it :)00:26
GeneralAntillesIt's clear and to-the-point, though.00:26
teotwakithedead1440: also, you're allowed to say ass, fuck, titties.00:26
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: yeah, I kind like it too. It doesn't work for shit with customers though.00:26
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, do you also have a nice webpage explaining it?00:27
thedead1440good dude? dream on... If i was the Chair of a Board and one member was getting out of hand i would have shut him up long ago00:27
GeneralAntillesToo many companies are dumping a bunch of information in videos.00:27
GeneralAntillesthedead1440, Tim's Good People00:27
GeneralAntillesBut he's busy people with a family.00:27
thedead1440instead of saying this is real life; take it or leave it more or less00:27
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MohammadAGteotwaki, is the call every 3 second thing offer available to me as well?00:28
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: well, we don't actually sell the solution to "Eric" or his company. We sell it to network operators, who then resell it to their customers.00:28
teotwakiMohammadAG: sure.00:28
infobotMohammadAG meant: teotwaki, is the call every 3 second  offer available to me as well?00:28
MohammadAGthanks :p00:28
teotwakiMohammadAG: give me your phone number.00:28
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teotwakiI'll play you gangnam style :)00:28
thedead1440GeneralAntilles: personal character is different from incompetence; FWIW Elop could be a good soul too but he's incompetent00:28
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: just in time for the apocalypse00:28
MohammadAGI feel like I'm gonna regret this :P00:28
teotwakigot it, give me a couple seconds to set it up00:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, what apocalypse?00:29
teotwakifuck this vpn00:29
MohammadAGI see maemo has been reincarnated00:29
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MohammadAGnice phone number00:33
kerioeeeeeeeeeey sexy number00:33
MohammadAGthis is awesome00:33
teotwakihaha, wanna see more?00:33
kerioteotwaki style00:33
MohammadAG+330000000 yeah00:33
MohammadAGnot sure about 0 count but yeah00:33
DocScrutinizer05golden! > >We have unpaid volunteer swho have no consequence from us if they bork our infrastructure.[/quote name=Robert_Bauer]<<  I see exactly one guy who volunteered for a minor job of keeping an eye on maemo assets and still managed to bork whole from this remote position.00:34
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teotwakiMohammadAG: shoot, obviously the TTS doesn't work...00:37
MohammadAGText to Speech?00:37
MohammadAGnothing besides Gangnam Style? :P00:37
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teotwakiMohammadAG: having a look, dev server00:40
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teotwakishoot, I broked it00:41
teotwakiMohammadAG: did you hear music when you picked up?00:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: please don't abandon maemo :(00:42
MohammadAGteotwaki, yeah, gangnam style00:43
teotwakiMohammadAG: I tried to abuse the TTS so it stream radios to the phone00:44
teotwakiMohammadAG: apparently it died while attempting to do that.00:44
teotwakiand changing radios with 4 and 6, volume with 1 and 300:44
teotwakiThere was actually a guy who used our service to have people listen to music... Music over a cellular phone line...00:45
teotwakiAnd you thought mp3 was bad ;)00:45
kerioteotwaki: just do multiple phone calls00:45
teotwakioh you want me to conference all of us in?00:45
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keriophone codecs are 8kHz, right?00:45
keriono, i meant for musc00:46
keriodo 4 calls at the same time00:46
MohammadAGyeah, lossless quality00:46
kerioeach with a quarter of the samples00:46
teotwakikerio: and what phone supports that?00:46
kerioactually, 800:46
kerioteotwaki: beats me00:46
keriobut it's possible!00:46
teotwakikerio: also, phone lines aren't synchronous00:46
MohammadAGbut the earpiece in your phone can't play the lossless flac that's sent to it over GSM00:46
teotwakikerio: so two calls leaving the server at the same time aren't guaranteed to arrive at the customer through the same route, or at the same time00:46
kerioteotwaki: hm, good point00:46
keriowe should add a way to synchronize it00:46
kerioand at that point, we might as well make it digital, to allow for compression00:47
teotwakikerio: it is digital00:47
keriowe'd need a way to modulate and demodulate the signal...00:47
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kerioi think we're onto something here00:47
MohammadAGjust out of curiosity, how much did that 32s call cost?00:47
teotwakikerio: there's hardly any analogue phones left00:47
teotwakiMohammadAG: fuck me if I know00:47
teotwakiMohammadAG: we don't pay for calls placed by the dev server00:47
MohammadAGsomeone has to :P00:48
teotwakiyeah, but not us.00:48
kerioyay calls00:48
MohammadAGyou know what'd be fun?00:48
teotwakiand frankly, considering the network saw 4.6 million calls go by00:48
MohammadAGcracking open truecaller's database00:48
MohammadAGand calling each number there00:48
teotwakiwhen we have logs indicating we've placed over 6 million calls00:48
MohammadAGwith Gangnam Style or Never Gonna Give You Up playing00:48
teotwakiwell, I'm not too worried about the one dev call to IL.00:48
teotwakiI can always pretend I used your phone to test for DTMF response time over long distance00:49
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: wanna chat with MohammadAG? I'll put you two in a conference :)00:49
MohammadAGheh, there's Skype for that :P00:50
teotwakinow that I have your number...00:50
teotwakilet's have some fun.00:50
MohammadAGI was thinking of changing it00:50
MohammadAGfound an 054696969 number for sale00:50
GeneralAntillesNo telemarketers over dinner.00:50
MohammadAGit's 5000 bucks though00:50
teotwakikerio: hahaha, best ever00:51
teotwakilemme rip that00:51
MohammadAGteotwaki, first line in description :p00:52
teotwakifound it00:52
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: this apocalypse:
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DocScrutinizer05Rob going berserk on the volunteers working hard to keep maemo alive, for sake of his lawyer mindset on how administration of a server might look like01:00
DocScrutinizer05(which is probably as educated as mine on american civil law)01:01
teotwakiMohammadAG: apologies01:03
teotwakiMohammadAG: even if you hang up01:03
DocScrutinizer05the fun detail: since Nokia hasn't transferred at large to HiFo yet, he basically is nobody's boss right now, and all the volunteers are courtesy Nemein so far01:03
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teotwakiit will call back01:03
MohammadAGteotwaki, damn, my phone went into night mode01:04
teotwakiMohammadAG: you didn't get the call?01:04
MohammadAG(which is glorified airplane mode)01:04
MohammadAGturned it off now01:04
teotwakiI'm spamming your mailbox01:04
teotwakiYou're gonna have 3 minute long voice mails xD01:04
MohammadAGany call should come in now01:05
teotwakiI can see01:05
teotwakiit's still singing to your voicemail01:05
MohammadAGthis should be fun01:05
teotwakiMohammadAG: you can hang up01:08
teotwakiit'll call again, no worries :)01:08
teotwakiMohammadAG: try this for size, press some buttons, I'll tell you which ones that was :)01:09
MohammadAGteotwaki, no, my phone has a Wolfson DAC, listening to this with some headphones is fun01:09
MohammadAGI typed fuckyou in DTMF, if you made that out :P01:09
teotwakididn't get a thing, weirdly01:10
MohammadAGthe note 2 doesn't make keypad sounds btw01:10
MohammadAGdid it again01:10
teotwakinot getting anything01:10
teotwakimight be international shit though01:10
MohammadAGI'm guessing it's the note01:11
MohammadAGI wonder what'd happen if I take a recording of this call to the police01:11
MohammadAGholy shit that was instant01:11
MohammadAG(the redial)01:12
teotwakiMohammadAG: pm me your email01:13
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teotwakiMohammadAG: basically, the top left part is a small app that enables us to see calls progress in realtime01:15
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teotwakiwe see every event, every hickup, every sound being played, every conference being joined, etc.01:15
teotwaki@rest: No showing it, as it has Mohammad's phone visible.01:15
kerioteotwaki: even mspaint has a way to draw black rectangles01:16
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merlin1991and kerio wins the jackpot01:16
teotwakikerio: yeah, but I cba to open the gimp :P01:16
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kerioi what now01:17
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teotwaki~jack pot?01:17
MohammadAGteotwaki, no email :P01:17
teotwakiMohammadAG: eh?01:17
MohammadAGand the last thing in my spam box is I CONTACT YOU FOR A DONATION PROJECT01:17
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eccerr0rcute. transmission has a splash screen that says "about to kill your wireless quota and your battery".  That made my day.01:21
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kerioeccerr0r: transmission is probably too heavy for the n90001:22
eccerr0ryeah, likely is, bittorrent was having issues on my celery 450 when I had it, and that's probably around the same speed as the n90001:22
keriortorrent could be a bit better01:23
eccerr0rit's mostly to piss off wireless carriers that forbid using the phone any way you want it...(like tethering, etc.)01:24
MohammadAGteotwaki, sacré bleu, c'est en français01:24
teotwakiMohammadAG: well, it's a completely french system, so yeah.01:24
teotwakiMohammadAG: imagined by a frenchman, designed by a frenchman, implemented by the same frenchman01:24
teotwakierr, and?01:25
MohammadAGnow everyone know I live in Israel!01:25
teotwakiagain, and?01:25
eccerr0ri still use rtorrent on my desktop PCs...01:25
teotwakiMohammadAG: everyone knows you live in fucking IL.01:25
MohammadAGbah, you ruined the joke01:25
keriohm, i think that the number can still be reconstructed01:25
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keriouse a black bar, don't blur01:26
MohammadAGI'm interested in where the mp3 is set01:26
teotwakiMohammadAG: the mp3?01:26
merlin1991hm yep that gui looks french01:26
teotwakioh, and by the way01:26
teotwakithose "momo" thingies you see everywhere01:26
teotwakithat's not a reference to you, MohammadAG.01:26
teotwakiit's just the guy who hacked a big part of the system01:27
teotwakihis name was Mohamed01:27
teotwakiand he wasn't really inspired when it came to naming variables01:27
teotwakiso yeah, momo_158 is pretty much the norm.01:27
MohammadAGaww, don't deny it, it's cute you called me that :P01:27
MohammadAGteotwaki, yeah, the song's mp3 :P01:28
teotwakiMohammadAG: well... the system doesn't support mp3 :)01:28
MohammadAGit takes uncompressed wav? :P01:28
teotwakiMohammadAG: which is why, on your screenshot, you'll notice I used ffmpeg to convert...01:28
MohammadAGoh yeah01:29
MohammadAGI clicked the link you posted here and stayed on that tab01:29
teotwakiwell, it only takes mono, 8KHz, 16-bit waves :)01:29
MohammadAGthought it was the same01:29
n900-dkbuys, get a room ;)01:29
MohammadAGI wonder how much the dev server logs would rise tomorrow, you know, for valentine's day and all :P01:30
MohammadAGor s/buys/guys/ :P01:30
teotwakiMohammadAG: we're at roughly 30GB of logs per month.01:30
teotwakiwell, binary logs, not traces01:31
teotwakiI doubt valentines will make a dent01:31
teotwakialso, I dumped the missus week and a half ago01:32
teotwakiI'm out01:33
teotwakiat least going for a ciggie01:33
teotwaki(Can you imagine, with all the clichés about french people, you're not allowed to smoke at the office?)01:34
MohammadAGI still can't grasp smoking :P01:34
MohammadAGI tried it for a month, saw no point, and quit01:34
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teotwakiMohammadAG: yeah yeah, it's not always easy being a non smoker01:44
teotwakiMohammadAG: but that first cigarette after sex, phenomenal.01:44
MohammadAGmeh, it was after an exam01:47
kerioit's fairly easy to always have been a non-smoker01:49
kerionot doing things is easy01:49
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shawnjeffersonI've been trying to follow the migration and have been reading tmo and irc.  What is the plan to address the hashsum mismatch errors?02:13
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merlin1991check all deb md5s sanity check the debs with wrong ones and rebuild the package index02:16
merlin1991but that needs access02:16
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merlin1991and some info from nemain02:17
infobotmerlin1991 meant: and some info from nemein02:17
shawnjeffersonhmm, seems like a good plan. The holdup is HF? Seems it should be their top priority.02:19
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DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: it's pretty unclear what's HiFo's top priority right now. They forbid granting merlin access to repos, since HiFo wasn't able to formally approve him yet as maintainer of that stuff02:55
DocScrutinizer05the good news: for now HiFo isn't in the position to forbid that, since it's still Nemein to have the final word about who does what on maemo.org02:56
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DocScrutinizer05I just did a mishap of asking them nevertheless, since I felt we should involve them early, even before Nokia passed responsibility for maemo to HiFo02:58
DocScrutinizer05their answer: I'm not allowed to grant merlin1991 (or any other volunteer) access to maemo infra before they formally approved him/her in one of their roughly monthly official meetings02:59
DocScrutinizer05(last meeting took >6 weeks form the one before that in December iirc)03:00
DocScrutinizer05and next meeting is not even scheduled yet03:01
DocScrutinizer05HiFo's top priority for now should be to get free server Colocation plan moving, so they don't have to pay ~1700EUR per month for Nemein's xen-grid VMs, starting with 2013-03-01. But it seems they are not particularly interested in helping the maemo technical staff to get that established. They didn't even provide their *address*(!!!) so warfare could get proper papers from for HiFo, where they would offer that free CoLo03:06
DocScrutinizer05we found a way to move around that paperwork issue, to the extent where we just need a written informal "OK, go ahead!" from HiFo. But given the way HiFo focusing on smashing everything technical staff is establishing, we didn't dare to ask yet.03:09
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shawnjeffersonso systems aren't actually "ours" yet? I assumed they were since Nokia is so hands off.03:19
DocScrutinizer05just mentioning that the guy in HiFo who's most vocal about blocking maemo technical staff's work to wait for HiFo's occasional meetings never owned a N90003:20
DocScrutinizer05no, still Nokia property03:20
DocScrutinizer05I only can speculate what or who is the blocker in those negotiations that should result in Nokia handing stuff to HiFo. I have a certain idea though...03:22
shawnjeffersonI knew about the domain, but I thought the repos, tmo, garage, etc was "ours".03:23
DocScrutinizer05not yet03:24
DocScrutinizer05actually nothing is 'ours' yet, except tmo03:24
MentalistTraceurThey're more under our control then they were, now, but not /legally/ ours yet.03:25
DocScrutinizer05Nemein granted me access to all infra, and I asked them to grant warfare access (could have done myself if I wasn't such a lousy sysop ;-D ). We helped to bring up repo again, and also with some other details like firewall a.s.o.03:28
DocScrutinizer05but the guy with the hat on is still Nemein03:29
DocScrutinizer05which - funny enough - is a lucky incident, since otherwise nothing would have been done yet03:30
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shawnjeffersonthanks for the clarification! You've done a great job geting the services up and running for us community members, thanks for the effort so far. I'd like to see HF and council prioritize now though: hashsum, autobuilder, 2nd migration (nemein is too expensive by far).03:35
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shawnjeffersonI don't know what BoD is working on... but it seems those should be the priorities short term?03:36
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DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: [2013-02-14 02:06:01] <DocScrutinizer05> HiFo's top priority for now should be to get free server Colocation plan moving, so they don't have to pay ~1700EUR per month...03:40
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cehtehDocScrutinizer: apt-torrent :)03:46
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DocScrutinizer05cehteh: we have no technical problems to solve. Our only problem is organizational. Since HiFo wants to do micro-mamagement of domains they have no competence in. And HiFo can't do a decission even when they sit together in one room, since they have to stick to arcane incantations that need weeks of preparation, to get a single mail out about something nobody ever had a doubt should get done03:49
DocScrutinizer05their excuse: > >This Board gives maemo council far more authority than Nokia ever gav emaemo council and is being enabled to attend to the problems of the maem oinfrastructure better than before.  We had things lie unattended for month sand months, sometimes a year, while Niemein/Niels did nothing about it.<<03:53
DocScrutinizer05which is both incorrect and also not applicable as a comparison to our current situation03:54
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DocScrutinizer05basically Rob is saying that council and the volunteers should be happy that board allows them to do anything at all about keeping maemo alive, and we should thank board for their generosity03:56
DocScrutinizer05while in fact they have no saying in what we may or may not do on at all, as long as Nokia hasn't transferred responsibility for maemo from Nemein to HiFo03:57
Sc0rpiusand even after that you won't have a say03:57
Sc0rpiusmark my words03:58
DocScrutinizer05who's "you"?03:58
Sc0rpiuseverybody else03:58
Sc0rpiuseverybody who wants to contribute03:58
Sc0rpiusand it's not a member of the "Board"03:58
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I think either you lost me or we lost you03:58
Sc0rpiusis not03:58
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, go to sleep.04:03
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, 'cause it's late at night. :P04:17
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ShadowXQ: Is it possible to force n900 to keep showing pictures gotten from different IMs even if the account is disabled? I mean ...i'm adding my gtalk just to get some pictures for few friends. But if I disable the account , the pictures are not shown anymore. So my Q is , is there a way to force showing pics of disabled accounts?11:39
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iluminator105how do revert back to stock camera app?12:05
chem|stiluminator105: what do you mean?12:06
chem|stinstall by hand again, without the other repo active?!12:06
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iluminator105i am a commandline guy i dont wanna do thats why i asked12:10
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amospallais there a way to use instant messaging enabled/disabled account profiles, without contact lists get messed up?13:06
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raandoomamospalla, why do you need it? account can be enabled and always offline :) and account contacts dont get messed up.13:52
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amospallaraandoom: for example, Mary has a jabber account, that I have inside his contact info, when I enable/disable accounts, his jabber account gets outside of his contact entry13:55
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amospallaI like to disable accounts sometimes, but I don't because I have to merge contacts again13:56
amospallasomebody told me here that it works that way, and I can not do anything, but wanted to ask again, it's strange to me it can not work in a more friendly way13:57
raandoomwow. i didnt know about that13:57
raandoomi usually dont merge contacts13:59
amospallaI like to have all info about "Mary" on a single contact14:00
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keriomerging contacts is the shit14:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ping14:13
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: pong14:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: <314:16
keriofeeling slightly better? or still monumentally pissed off?14:17
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teotwakiwrong question14:26
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DocScrutinizer05MT took initiative to drive our migration adventure and I'm helping as much as I can. I'm just ignoring my feeling of pissed-off for now, until the issue again gets topic #1. Actually right now our problems are not with approving volunteers and Rob's/HiFo's funny ideas how to manage a tech staff14:30
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ShadowJKseems HiFo is better at pissing of community than Nokia? ;)14:36
DocScrutinizer05a lot better14:38
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keriomeh, it seems about the same, it's just our expectation that's different15:00
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Palidid you saw this?
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* teotwaki waves at Jaffa 15:14
Jaffateotwaki: Thought about jumping into your Twitter conversation yesterday, but decided better of it15:15
teotwakiJaffa: yeah, got a few DMs afterwards.15:15
Paliso new udev will rename eth0 to some enp5s0?15:15
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Jaffateotwaki: FWIW, I'm with you. He's often worried about follower numbers or people downvoting things on Planet15:16
kerioPali: hahaha systemd hahaha15:19
Palipart of systemd is udev15:19
Paliand as I understand this is implemented in udev15:20
PaliI want working udev!!15:20
Palienp2s0 or enx78e7d1ea46da as interface name is nonsense15:20
kerioyeah, the udev takeover is some major bullshit15:20
Palieth0 is normal name15:20
Palialso wlanX15:21
Paliok, somebody should create posters "Wanted: Lennart dead or alive"15:22
jaskas/or alive//15:24
DocScrutinizer05is there already a website ?15:29
Palisee prefix names:
DocScrutinizer05or maybe stop-lennart.org15:30
Palien* = ethernet15:30
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Paliwe had always eth* for ethernet15:31
Palinow this enought15:32
PaliWhy somebody accepted this patch wich breaking name conventions for network interfaces???15:33
PaliFinally kernel drivers started using eth* for ethernet and wlan* for wifi cards15:33
Paliand now some idiot got nice idea how to revert kernel patches in userspace...15:34
Paliand also break everything...15:34
DocScrutinizer05that's Lennart's preferred game15:35
Paliif they wanted *pemanent* numbers for devices, why not to use scheme wlan<numer> and eth<number>??15:35
PaliNow I really do not understand this step15:35
DocScrutinizer05I guess each time he watches whole linux world stumpling and falling for a major fuckup he introduced, he gets a day-long orgasm15:36
DocScrutinizer05next few weeks he has fever with delusions of thousands of devels patching their code to adopt his braindead new patch15:37
DocScrutinizer05"no matter if the love or hate you. as long as everybody speaks about you, you're famous"15:38
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infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''15:40
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toprodoes anyone know whats the n900 timer granularity, please? is it as bad as 50msec as my first test implies?15:42
keriowhich timer?15:42
toproall timers rely on kernel timer granularity, don't they?15:42
toproI need to measure time intervals in my c++ code as precisely as possible15:44
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toproI tried QTime::elapsed and it implies a resolution of 50ms.15:44
kerio"implies" how?15:45
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toproit returns ms, but all results I get are a multiple of 5015:45
keriowhat does gettimeofday() do?15:48
toprokerio: didn't try and have my sdk at home. so i'll give it a try tonight.15:48
toproI'll let you know ;) anyway, thanks for the hint15:49
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teotwakitopro: timer precision is based on the platform15:57
teotwakitopro: you may be able to use the PMU to get some more precise timers, but it's going to be very platform-specific (cortex v8 in this case)16:02
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DocScrutinizer05generally "jiffies" is the buzzword16:12
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: hey, ETM, my pet topic :-)16:14
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keriohow do high-resolution clocks deal with relativistic effects?16:15
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: don't you think ETM would make for a really great extension to what gdb can do?16:15
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: AIUI ETB is available on platform as well, not only via the jtag interface16:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: absolutely identical to the way my butt deals with them16:17
keriobut... your butt isn't used to keep the time!16:18 it?16:18
teotwakiby the way16:20
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teotwakia guy on my team, friend I've known for decades, a small god when it comes to debugging and hunting down bugs16:20
teotwakihis 4-letter name is JTAG16:20
teotwaki(first initial then 3 first letters of last name)16:21
teotwakihis email is actually jtag@...16:21
PaliDocScrutinizer05, do you have any news about extras-devel? when will be working again?16:23
DocScrutinizer05topro: > >The accuracy of various system calls that set timeouts, (e.g., select(2), sigtimedwait(2)) and measure CPU time (e.g., getrusage(2)) is limited by the resolution of the  software       clock, a clock maintained by the kernel which measures time in jiffies.  The size of a jiffy is determined by the value of the kernel constant HZ.<<  ( man 7 time )16:24
kerioPali: ask merlin199116:24
Paliautobuilder for extras-devel still not working16:24
Palikerio, why merlin?16:24
keriohe's the repo dude now16:24
Palimerlin1991: ping16:25
DocScrutinizer05Pali: possibly never, since HiFo is too concerned any volunteer touching it might be a rogue hacker that messes up our infra16:25
keriooh yeah, there's that too16:25
Paliso this is end of maemo, fremantle and n900?16:26
DocScrutinizer05Pali: also HiFo does not trust in my abilities to properly handle permissions (or they have never heard about permissions)16:26
DocScrutinizer05I just wonder wtf been the purpose of HiFo appointing me for maemo administration manager then, when they want to doublecheck and approve every single chmod or useradd I do16:28
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, these correspondence emails, are they going between you and Rob or you and the whole board?16:29
DocScrutinizer05one been from him to me, with no visible CC. The others are between board and council16:30
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: (end of...) depends on very next actions and/or statements from HiFo. Possibly yes16:33
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: NB while 2 out of 3 of HiFo opted for "let them do their job, we can review and revoke everything any time later on", one (guess who) insists in HiFo staying in control of everything related to daily operational business, while same time they say HiFo can't decide anything any faster than ~2 weeks delay minimum16:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: so... can't they outvote him?16:36
DocScrutinizer05kerio: NFC what's the deal with HiFo16:36
thedead1440kerio: you need to find evidence of misconduct to do so; although IMO his actions are enough of gross misconduct16:36
DocScrutinizer05once I thought I know what they are supposed to do and how they might do that. Now I really don't know anymore about what ideas they got16:36
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thedead1440also they can't outvote him; Council decide on misconduct demeanour's16:37
PaliDocScrutinizer05, and some info from nokia about maemo swadmin gpg key?16:37
kerioPali: nothing, so far16:37
thedead1440that i mean to kick him out; outvote the issue is they inadvertently end up following him for whatever it is16:37
kerioPali: btw, i was looking for you a while ago16:40
keriomy Conversations have a scrollbar16:40
keriothe kind that you have to drag around16:40
Palikerio, I had same16:41
kerioand trying to scroll in the middle selects text instead16:41
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kerioi know, that's why i wanted to ask you16:41
kerioi already tried deleting my .mozilla16:41
keriodidn't fix it16:41
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like in school, asking "may I visit the toilet" and answer is "send in filled form 27B/2 for that"16:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: obviously, piss in a corner16:42
Palikerio, check permission in .mozilla16:42
Palialso owner/group16:42
PaliI deted that folder more times and killed browser/rtcom processes16:42
Paliand this fixed it16:42
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: either that, or just ignore the answer and leave room without further comment [yet to be decided upon whether to come back after toilet or just go home and have a morepleasant day]16:46
kerioPali: the thing is, i deleted it when the system was off16:49
kerioso it should've been completely rebuilt afterwards16:50
keriohm, i think i botched the optification16:53
toproDocScrutinizer05: concerning kernel constant HZ: afaik this is true for kernels not supporting high resolution timers, or is hr_timers something x86 specific?16:55
DocScrutinizer05sorry, that's too specific for my knowledge about the topic16:56
toproiirc hr timers came with ~2.6.25, right?16:56
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kerioPali: no luck :(16:56
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (optification) toldya ;)16:57
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i also undid the optification16:58
kerioand the problem stayed16:58
kerioso i don't know if it's the optification or my weird configuration16:58
kerio...i don't receive messages that often16:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: some maybe useless guessoid: I seem to recall this stuff is related to themes16:58
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merlin1991what was the non-systemd udev project again?=17:01
Pali~seen Aranel17:02
infobotaranel is currently on #n9 (15h 33m 55s) #harmattan (15h 33m 55s) #meego (15h 33m 55s), last said: 'thedead1440: oh okay, It was weird to see all kinds of errors when running a apt-get purge'.17:02
Palikerio, ask Aranel, he had same problem17:03
Palimerlin1991, udev is part of systemd...17:03
merlin1991Pali: there is a non systemd udev poject17:04
Palimerlin1991, I heard about it, but devs who forked it told that this non systemd udev is not for normal usage...17:05
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Please down leave - hope you will return to the class, so you can enjoy all the fun from your classmates - no matter how stupid and incompetent the supervisors are :)17:05
kerioyeah, down leave!17:06
keriowait, what17:06
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merlin1991Pali: doesn't say that in their readme:
Palimerlin1991, devs who forked udev told that on fosdem17:09
merlin1991ah okay17:09
DocScrutinizer05they need to get convinced for the better17:09
ccxCZwell, they said e stands for experimental17:10
ccxCZor could stand17:10
ccxCZso far they mostly just re-plumbed the buildsystem and tweaked few things here and there17:10
ccxCZbut the goal is of course to have something in case systemd devs go borg on init systems17:11
kerio"in case"?17:11
ccxCZno comment :]17:12
ccxCZI'm happily using mdev and openrc atm17:12
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DocScrutinizer05fsck systemd17:12
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''17:13
merlin1991hm never heard of openrc17:13
n900-dkanyone using x11vnc on the n900?17:15
keriomeh, i should reflash17:15
DocScrutinizer05s/dead or alive/dead: reward 10000EUR, alive: reward 1000EUR"/17:15
keriostarting over is always fun17:16
kerio"dead or alive, but preferrably dead"17:16
DocScrutinizer05s/dead or alive/dead: reward 10000EUR, alive: reward 1000EUR (only when conveniently packaged)"/17:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have a BM backup of a freshly-flashed system?17:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: systemd is very good compared to PA17:18
Palikerio, try to install new theme17:18
Paliswitch to that new theme and reboot17:18
DocScrutinizer05kerio: sorry, probably not17:19
keriohm, it's probably even better to grab the .fiasco images, unpack, nandsim, and grab the files17:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: i might deliver any files you ask for17:20
kerionah, i'll do it myself after i boot my linux partition17:21
keriono nandsim on os x17:21
kerioand no ubifs17:21
kerioand no ext17:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: can you check if /usr/share/themes is a symlink on your system(s)?17:22
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-06-23 06:03 /usr/share/themes -> /opt/usr/share/themes17:24
keriook, so it wasn't mine :)17:24
DocScrutinizer05incredible how much customization hides in /etc etc17:25
DocScrutinizer05ssh iron900:   ssh: Could not resolve hostname iron900: Name or service not known17:25
DocScrutinizer05moving to a new system *always* is weeks of annoyance17:26
merlin1991that's why you put ssh fun into .ssh/config17:26
merlin1991so you keep at least those aliases ;)17:26
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kerioPali: still no dice17:26
keriobut the theme thing *is* a bit weird17:26
DocScrutinizer05kerio: i'm not going to assign IP addr to hostnames inside my ssh config17:26
keriosome things don't change properly17:26
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: since that's clearly a job for /etc7hosts17:27
kerioalso what the fuck, hildon-theme-beta is ugly as fuck17:27
Palikerio, try to spawn browser[d] and rtcom-* with run-standalone.sh17:29
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DocScrutinizer05grrr, no fan RpM on linux sensors for this board17:30
DocScrutinizer05    Manufacturer: "Intel Corporation"    Product: "DH77EB"    Version: "AAG39073-304"17:32
Palikerio, I updated battery status plugin, bme replacement packages and kernel-power v5217:34
Palithere was bug in rx51_battery driver which reported temperature in bad units17:35
Paliso I changed it also in bme replacement packages17:35
keriohm, is that the only fix?17:35
infobotwell, pali is
Palikerio, next patch is for bq2415x driver17:36
PaliI renamed none mode to off17:36
keriois "none" also still accepted?17:36
Paliand added new none mode which enable charger with current limit 100mA17:36
kerioPali: why not "low" or something like that?17:37
keriobreaking backwards-compatibility, even for bleeding-edge things, always makes me sad :(17:37
Paliusb spec say that 100mA is max limit before usb enumeration17:37
kerioyeah, but why not call it "low"?17:37
Paliso 100mA is safe17:37
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Palibecause none is already used by some scripts/people17:38
kerio...that's precisely the wrong reason to call it none17:38
Paliunknown/none/na charger17:39
Palikerio, make sure you update kernel-power and bme replacement packages at one time without rebooting17:40
Paliinstead you can get bootloop because of "hot" device17:40
kerioyeah, i figured :)17:40
Palinow I pushed also update for status area battery plugin to cssu devel17:41
kerioPali: what's the directory for kernel-power on your site?17:42
Paliit is not in directory17:43
keriowait, that's september 2117:45
Palilinks are same17:46
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kerioPali: have you also gave a look at my patch for u-boot-tools?17:49
Palikerio, not yet...17:49
Palimerlin1991, when will be next cssu meeting?17:50
kerioPali: it boots! yay!17:53
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kerioholy shit, 3 seconds for 2 reboots17:56
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kerioPali: the hwclock18:11
kerioit drifts like hell18:11
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Palikerio, I forgot to update hald-addon-bme, now I uploaded new deb package18:18
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MentalistTraceurkerio: is that face at or about me?18:23
kerioMentalistTraceur: no, it's just that i have to reboot18:24
DocScrutinizer05[notice] mail back to normal operation18:24
DocScrutinizer05hi MentalistTraceur18:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but is it a board-approved operation?18:24
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: obviously not, so i gonna have to delete all mails that would get sent to board18:25
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (hwclock drift) fix your adjfile!18:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oh you18:27
DocScrutinizer05I honestly never seen RTC drifting much. I seen hwclock --adjfile messing stuff up fubar several times18:28
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the hwclock has 1-sec granularity18:29
kerioi guess that you'll lose half a second, on average, for each write/shutdown/boot/read18:29
DocScrutinizer05oh FFS18:31
* DocScrutinizer05 wishes he hadn't fixed mail VM18:31
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Palikerio, I updated kernel-power deb packages19:09
PaliI forgot to include one patch for bq2415x19:10
Paliwithout it sysfs node reported bad detected charger19:10
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kerioPali: blah20:02
kerioone more reboot20:02
kerioson, i am disappoint20:02
kerioPali: i want ksplice for kernel-power!20:02
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WizardNumberNextudev - that seams to be work of some alien! I do not understand this lanuage at all. I think, if that shit would happen, i am going to put all my interfaces on bridge and build brtables and arptables to get back both sensul name and normal NIC behavour20:21
keriohow expensive is a hitman?20:21
keriowe can pool some bitcoins20:22
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Palicut his hands, so he will not be able to write any new line of code20:26
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kerioPali: there's speech-to-text now20:29
kerioi believe that any solution has to be more... radical20:29
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DocScrutinizer05i'm afraid redhat would pull a clone out of their fridge if anything ever happened to poettering20:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: systemd's bus factor is 120:31
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DocScrutinizer05which in itself disqualifies systemd for any serious system20:31
DocScrutinizer05since eventually he *will* get hit by a bus, and then? watch systemd bitrotting?20:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: gleefully20:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, can you drive a bus?20:32
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kerioalso, should i reflash, at last?21:02
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I can drive everything from a micro rc-car (28mm total length) to bus, tank, even helicopter21:29
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GeneralAntillesYou don't drive a helicopter.21:30
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RST38hSo, Doc, how big a... mhm... helicopter have you driven so far?21:32
DocScrutinizer05how big is this Bell thing?21:50
DocScrutinizer05(it only been 3 minutes, on a ride I hired where some other pilot did lessons and they wanted to earn a hundred bucks for taking me with them)21:51
DocScrutinizer05the other ones been much smaller, much much much smaller ;-)21:52
DocScrutinizer05(or even virtual)21:52
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: a good friend of me stated I don't drive a car either - he supposed I operate a mobile Otto engine22:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i bet that a helicopter-shaped dent in lennart poettering would do wonders for systemd22:03
DocScrutinizer05I'd bet on that. Less though on the details of that wonder. Might be rather unexpected22:05
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ShadowJKI wonder if red bull went through / completed their planned modifications to their Bo105 that would enable it to hover upside down22:11
kerioseriously, what the hell's wrong with my browserd22:11
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, terrifying22:13
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keriobrowserd[2232]: New e:0x60530, g:0x2f65e8, ctx:(nil)22:24
keriowhat does this mean?22:24
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: thismeans it got a flue, and wants a hooker22:28
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kerioE: Couldn't find package microb-engine-hooker22:30
DocScrutinizer05isn't browserd open?22:31
kerionot rtcom-messaging-ui though22:31
spoofyHello :) I have a problem after battery calibration. Polarcell ~1550 mAh. I don't have any low battery alert notification or sound.22:31
DocScrutinizer05this clearly states the process is browserd22:31
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: smartarse22:32
keriospoofy: i doubt it was caused by the calibration itself22:32
kerioanyway, bme won't really care about your calibration22:32
spoofykerio: so I should recalibrate it again?22:32
ShadowJKbme doesn't care about calibration22:33
DocScrutinizer05why would you calibrate first instance?22:33
DocScrutinizer05unless you're using bq27k-detail or you don't even notice calibration22:33
kerioor the bme replacement!22:33
kerioexcept that it tends to use bogus data22:34
DocScrutinizer05he didn't even mention that22:34
kerioPali: >:C22:34
spoofyHmm.. I used a script22:34
kerioholy shit the microb-engine tarball is 58mb, compressed22:34
DocScrutinizer05then you should be able to tell if your calibration been successful or not22:34
keriospoofy: yeah but the battery meter doesn't use that22:34
DocScrutinizer05is CI=0? what's cycles-since-last-learning?22:35
ShadowJKspoofy, the "calibration" only makes a difference for the values reported by and similar programs. It makes no difference for the default built-in battery meter or low battery alarms...22:35
spoofyDamn it :/22:36
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: I suggest `stop bme; sleep 5; start bme; sleep 5; stop mce; sleep 5; start mce`22:36
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: hmmm.. ok I'll try22:37
DocScrutinizer05probably your calibration deactivated bat-low warnings and your 2forgot2 to re-enable it22:37
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: You think It will help?22:37
kerioor he just didn't start bme again22:37
spoofyI used polarcell since mounth or more22:37
kerioalthough... nah22:37
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's basically what I meant22:38
spoofyalso the new "battery applet" from dev repo is not working right22:39
spoofyIt shows 1280 mAh but I have 155x mAh22:40
keriospoofy: the battery applet from cssu-devel prefers to display utterly bogus data instead of nothing at all22:40
kerioand it prefers to display utterly bogus data instead of data that's reported as perfectly accurate, and *is* perfectly accurate, but it "might not be"22:41
ecc3gis there even a way for the n900 to measure actual capacity of the battery? That "capacity resistor" definitely does not do justice to degraded cells...22:41
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kerioecc3g: the capacity resistor is the utterly bogus data22:41
keriobq27k can be calibrated, and it's fairly accurate22:41
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys bq2722:42
infobotFactoid search of 'bq27' by key (2): bq27k-detail ;; bq27200.22:42
spoofyLast mesured Discharge: 1557 mAh22:42
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is
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infoboti heard batteryfaq is
DocScrutinizer05(which has built-in bq27000)22:44
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: also you should use my script later on in that thread, rather than manual method as suggested by Estel22:45
DocScrutinizer05...for bq27200 calibration22:46
DocScrutinizer05or simply look there:
ShadowJK1557 sounds fine for polarcell anyway22:47
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spoofyw8.. I just want to have: a) battery icon working - showing actual +/- battery state, b) Alert notifications before completly discharge, c) Real battery captivity22:48
DocScrutinizer05and 1280 for design capacity sunds abut right as well22:48
spoofyWhat should I use to have all of these "features" :D22:48
spoofywhat kind'a script, calibratin or something :D22:48
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think there's such thing 8yet)22:49
spoofyDoc, Why should I use your script?22:49
spoofyIs it better than estels bqxxxx?22:49
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; ffs, his issue isn't calibration22:50
DocScrutinizer05because it takes care about stopping and starting bme at the right moments, and works unattended22:50
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: his issue are pink ponies, for all I can tell22:50
DocScrutinizer05or, right now, a misconception about calibration paired with a flawed calibration procedure resulting in bme not working22:51
spoofyOk.. so when I'm calibrating the battery (learning cycle - stop bme, charge&discharge > bme learned new captivity > charge again) I should stop bme few times again?22:51
ShadowJKAll those random scripts, including all of mine, wont do anything for him.22:51
ShadowJKspoofy; no, bme never learns anything, ever.22:52
DocScrutinizer05except save him from messing up stuff during manual calibration22:52
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-14 21:48:11] <spoofy> w8.. I just want to have: a) battery icon working - showing actual +/- battery state, b) Alert notifications before completly discharge, c) Real battery captivity22:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: coffcoffbme replacementcoffcoff22:53
ShadowJKThe bme replacement might be able to do it eventually, but I don't know anything about it, except that kerio seems to curse its bugs on a regular basis :)22:54
spoofyoh ok.. nvm I'm totally stupid today ;]22:54
kerioShadowJK: it works as coded22:54
keriohell, it works as intended22:54
keriothe bugs are in a particular detail of the intention22:54
ShadowJKSo the bug is in the spec then? :P22:55
keriokinda, yeah22:55
ShadowJKDiscovered such a bug at $work yesterday.. Our intern had wired up a electrical cabinet, I was attaching datalines and sensorlines and happened to noticed miswiring that would've smoked everything if it was energized. Wasn't the intern's fault though, the bureau that did the schematics messed up22:57
ShadowJKbugfree implementation, buggy spec :D22:57
MentalistTraceurWhy do we even bother with this 'battery capacity' abstraction (obv. for end-users, but meh)? Is there a battery applet that shows something more concrete, like voltage being pulled at a given time?22:57
MentalistTraceur(Disclaimer, I have very little understanding of batteries, so I could be way off here)22:58
ShadowJKMentalistTraceur; "pulling voltage" is meaningless gibberish :P22:59
zl2todvoltage pushes, current is pulled, power = volts * amps22:59
kerioMentalistTraceur: current being pulled, maybe22:59
keriothat would be neat22:59
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ShadowJKand energy = power * time, capacity = current * time23:00
kerioisn't capacity charge over voltage?23:00
MentalistTraceurTechnical terminology accuracy notwithstanding, I think the point underlying that stands?23:00
kerioMentalistTraceur: showing the current current isn't of much use23:00
keriothe screen backlight would dwarf anything else23:00
kerioand if the screen's off...23:01
ShadowJKthe act of observing it has more impact on the value than anything else ;)23:01
keriothe replacement battery applet shows the time to empty when idle23:01
keriothat's kinda useful23:01
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keriospoofy: also what the fuck, why do you have cssu-devel enabled23:01
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kerioexcept that it doesn't use bq27k as the preferred source of everything :(23:03
kerioor, rather, the replacement hald-addon-bme doesn't use bq27k as the preferred source of everything23:03
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MentalistTraceurDoesn't, over time, the current decrease as battery discharges? Or voltage, or (insert proper technical term here)? So you'd still have some gauge of battery power loss? Anyway, I actually got on to ask something unrelated: freenode says to connect to, yet I always connect to It seems to be the same, but is there a difference in terms of what servers are in ...23:03
MentalistTraceur... the rotation with those two urls?23:03
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kerioMentalistTraceur: none23:04
spoofykerio: I upgrade from cssu-devel :D I like to be on "bleeding-edge" :D23:04
spoofyjust before "migration" stuff23:05
ShadowJKVoltage decreases with decreasing stored capacity and with varying load.. it's not linear and not that interesting for users23:05
MentalistTraceurBeing on bleeding-edge tends to increase risk of self-induced bleeding.23:05
MentalistTraceurShadowJK: I know it would vary by load as well, but I personally would still want to see that more than a vague capacity indicator.23:05
keriobq27k is precise as hell23:06
ShadowJKMentalistTraceur; voltage is a really crap indicator23:06
MentalistTraceurK. I defer to your technically superior knowledge.23:06 has IPv6 address 2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe23:06
keriozl2tod: it's not just one23:07
ShadowJKit's more or less "70-100", "30-70", "0-30" percent that you can get from voltage23:07
zl2todonly one is funny23:07
keriohow dare they not all use funny addresses23:07
MentalistTraceurThough if I ever get around to it I'll totally code something like that anyway just for fun, since I'm sure would might still consider it neat.23:08
ShadowJKWhat we want is a battery meter that accurately counts charge in and out, so the meter can go from 100.0% to 0%, without making big jumps or suddenly decreasing/increasing at twice the usual rate for no reason in order to correct itself23:08
teotwakiWhen do we want it?23:08
MentalistTraceurAlright, I'm back to idling again.23:09
* ShadowJK has had it in x-terminal since early 201023:09
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i can't figure out the code path that does the syslog log23:25
DocScrutinizer05grep is your friend23:26
kerioit's 415MB of source23:26
DocScrutinizer05so what?23:26
DocScrutinizer05grep doesn't mind23:26
keriogrep syslog doesn't help23:26
keriogrep log gives 21k lines23:27
DocScrutinizer05nah! grep for the string that gets logged23:27
DocScrutinizer05for the constant parts of it23:27
keriobrowserd[2232]: New e:0x60530, g:0x2f65e8, ctx:(nil)23:27
keriogrepping for New is ridiculous, grepping for "New e" gives nothing23:27
keriotwo lines, but nope23:28
DocScrutinizer05even "ctx:(%"23:28
DocScrutinizer05don't forget about macros23:29
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DocScrutinizer05so it as well could be '"ctx"'23:29
DocScrutinizer05or even plain ctx23:29
keriobeen trying all of these, nothing ._.23:30
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spoofyOk. New problem. I'm trying to compile newer webkit - svn r56124 on scratchbox. I've changed the (like this: but still compilation failed. Any help? (output:
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teotwakiwell fuck, I think I finally got why lcuk did whatever he did.23:56
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