| teotwaki | the simple fact that there's mentions of CTOs, managers and sysops is mindblowing. | 00:00 |
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| teotwaki | I mean, fuck me. Are you guys going to keep wanking over who gets the CEO title? | 00:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, you're an old person | 00:00 |
| teotwaki | How the fuck do you think all those hundreds of free software projects ever got to work, by first electing who the fuck was gonna get root? | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nope, merlin is boss of all cssu | 00:01 |
| teotwaki | Nokia bureaucracy didn't just kill Nokia, it infested and infected every single project Nokia was close to. | 00:01 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: technically mag is still my boss ;) | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:01 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: you're older than me, twat. | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, really? | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 00:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles is old | 00:01 | |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: dunno, that was a bluff | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many layers of bureaucracy does a tax entity and a couple servers need? | 00:02 |
| n900-dk | Then, how can we force HiFo to have schedule a meeting asap - this subject can't wait until March | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, my world was momentarily shattered. | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: too many | 00:02 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: what year? | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, 1987. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 25 | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: sorry but "your" HiFo just 10min ago killed me | 00:02 |
| teotwaki | Ok | 00:02 |
| teotwaki | I gotta go | 00:02 |
| teotwaki | 'laterw | 00:02 |
| teotwaki | :) | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Byes | 00:03 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: douche | 00:03 |
| teotwaki | you're younger. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | touche | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I haven't even had a follow up to the appointment. | 00:03 |
| teotwaki | what's that? A Floridian attempt to use a french accent? Did you mean... touché? | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's douche with a t. | 00:03 |
| teotwaki | funny thing is, "toucher" has become a proxy for "sexual molestation". | 00:04 |
| teotwaki | (toucher, the verb "to touch, to hit") | 00:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles emails the board about something or other. | 00:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Do we have an HR department I can file a complaint about teotwaki with? | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hostile work environment. . . . | 00:05 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: yes, however, you are only allowed to file a complaint with the HR bureau if you have proper authorisation from your level 2 manager. In order to get that approval, your level 1 manager, or level 3 director, may place a formal demand using the 5EX-form. | 00:05 |
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| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: just /quit. Go grab a beer, chill out. No need to fester about it here. | 00:06 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: I feel for you, I think I can understand where you're coming from on this one, but there's not much anyone here can do. | 00:06 |
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| teotwaki | ALSO WHY THE FUCK DOES THE VPN KEEP ON FUCKING UP? | 00:07 |
| Sc0rpius | what VPN | 00:07 |
| Sc0rpius | are you using OpenSwan? please don't | 00:08 |
| teotwaki | no idea what they're using. | 00:08 |
| teotwaki | I just get a login, and connect to it. | 00:08 |
| teotwaki | But it wouldn't stay connected for over 3 minutes to save its own life. | 00:08 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: what's your involvement these days in maemo? | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | MWKN | 00:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Something about a communications manager for HiFo | 00:09 |
| teotwaki | I'm impressed. | 00:10 |
| teotwaki | I remember you, PM'ing me, roughly... 5 years ago? Saying you'd had enough of maemo, and that you thought it was time to move on. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5 years ago was Bad Days for me. | 00:11 |
| teotwaki | 5 years ago was Bad Days for most of us. | 00:11 |
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| teotwaki | We were still in puberty! | 00:11 |
| teotwaki | (yes, we're late bloomers, we like to play with computers, OK?) | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | today is my day to say so | 00:12 |
| teotwaki | Well | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray for toxic personalities. | 00:12 |
| teotwaki | I guess there's a difference | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got my own server with all the goodies on it, I don't really need the whole friggin infra anymore | 00:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it a night's sleep before you burn anything down. :D | 00:12 |
| teotwaki | 5 years ago, we hadn't had elop, 5 years ago, we'd just come back from Berlin, and planning Amsterdam. | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not going to burn down anything - I simply stop doing *anything* | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl answering this mail | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not worth my time and my nerves | 00:13 |
| teotwaki | 5 years ago, people were spending 5 minutes after coffee joking about a "fixed in fremantle" t-shirts. | 00:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I haven't worn that one in a while. | 00:14 |
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| teotwaki | I'm actually doing that one again now | 00:14 |
| teotwaki | I've ordered a dozen t-shirts for the team | 00:14 |
| teotwaki | front says (in italics): Anything | 00:15 |
| teotwaki | is | 00:15 |
| teotwaki | and on the back | 00:15 |
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| teotwaki | Easier | 00:15 |
| teotwaki | Than | 00:15 |
| teotwaki | 00:15 | |
| kerio | yay irc | 00:15 |
| teotwaki | kerio: did you just go yay because I used bold? | 00:15 |
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| kerio | no, because irc is easier than mail | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | ah | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | yes | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | basically, I work in a company that provides call centre services | 00:16 |
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| teotwaki | we plug into your existing phone system, no up front cost, you configure your IVR, routing, whatever. | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | Now, we're trying to do the same with email | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | Fuck me, hardest thing ever. | 00:17 |
| kerio | yeah, mail is ridiculous | 00:17 |
| teotwaki | On 1st April, we go live. | 00:17 |
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| teotwaki | I'm fairly sure that by noon, we'll be blacklisted on every single mail server in the world. | 00:17 |
| kerio | nice | 00:17 |
| teotwaki | We implement SPF, DKIM, whatever you want. Fucking emails still get flagged as spam. | 00:17 |
| teotwaki | oooh, GeneralAntilles, want to see a !cool marketing video about what we do? | 00:18 |
| kerio | teotwaki: so basically you try to be google apps | 00:18 |
| kerio | except that you're not google | 00:18 |
| teotwaki | google apps? Fuck no. | 00:18 |
| kerio | google apps mail | 00:18 |
| kerio | or something | 00:18 |
| teotwaki | nha | 00:18 |
| teotwaki | we route email. | 00:19 |
| teotwaki | You have a support@whatever.com address | 00:19 |
| teotwaki | when an email comes in, we match it to an agent who's both available, and qualified to manage that email | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hit me with it. | 00:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure | 00:19 |
| teotwaki | http://www.colt.net/uk/en/products-services/interactive-voice/colt-interactiv-solution/index.htm | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/9c9bb6e15e | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just to let community know who kills maemo | 00:21 |
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| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer: if you have a phone number, I can make our servers call him every 3 seconds, over the next 2 months :) | 00:23 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: thoughts? | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: sorry but board not even hands out own address for paperwork to prepare for them, with iphh.net - warfare had to use the address from whois hildonfoundation.org | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2:30 | 00:24 |
| teotwaki | haha | 00:24 |
| kerio | teotwaki: whois has to list a phone number | 00:24 |
| kerio | go for it | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, it's pretty decent, actually. | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Organization:Hildon Foundation | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Street1:50 Majestic Ct. | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Street2:#310 | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Street3: | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech City:Moorpark | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech State/Province:California | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Postal Code:93021 | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Country:US | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | Tech Phone:+1.8055593005 | 00:25 |
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| kerio | spam, dude | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | just saying.... | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's Tim's contact info, isn't it. . . . | 00:25 |
| teotwaki | I could even make the call originate from s.elop's phone, if anyone has that :) | 00:25 |
| teotwaki | yeah, it's Tim. | 00:25 |
| thedead1440 | indeed | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and Tim isn't the right person to spam | 00:25 |
| teotwaki | thedead1440: nice job on publishing his phone on the interwebs :) | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, the voiceover needs fewer extraneous buzz words | 00:25 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: yeah, it's marketing. | 00:26 |
| thedead1440 | teotwaki: i give a rat's a** about it | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm not its target audience so I'm not in a good position to judge | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pacing is a little slow. | 00:26 |
| teotwaki | thedead1440: except Tim is a good dude, he doesn't deserve it :) | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's clear and to-the-point, though. | 00:26 |
| teotwaki | thedead1440: also, you're allowed to say ass, fuck, titties. | 00:26 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I kind like it too. It doesn't work for shit with customers though. | 00:26 |
| kerio | nipple! | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | teotwaki, do you also have a nice webpage explaining it? | 00:27 |
| thedead1440 | good dude? dream on... If i was the Chair of a Board and one member was getting out of hand i would have shut him up long ago | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too many companies are dumping a bunch of information in videos. | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | thedead1440, Tim's Good People | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | But he's busy people with a family. | 00:27 |
| thedead1440 | instead of saying this is real life; take it or leave it more or less | 00:27 |
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| MohammadAG | teotwaki, is the call every 3 second thing offer available to me as well? | 00:28 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: well, we don't actually sell the solution to "Eric" or his company. We sell it to network operators, who then resell it to their customers. | 00:28 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: sure. | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | s/thing// | 00:28 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: teotwaki, is the call every 3 second offer available to me as well? | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | thanks :p | 00:28 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: give me your phone number. | 00:28 |
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| teotwaki | I'll play you gangnam style :) | 00:28 |
| thedead1440 | GeneralAntilles: personal character is different from incompetence; FWIW Elop could be a good soul too but he's incompetent | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: just in time for the apocalypse | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | I feel like I'm gonna regret this :P | 00:28 |
| teotwaki | got it, give me a couple seconds to set it up | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, what apocalypse? | 00:29 |
| teotwaki | fuck this vpn | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | I see maemo has been reincarnated | 00:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | reincarcerated | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | ey | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | nice phone number | 00:33 |
| teotwaki | haha | 00:33 |
| teotwaki | 00000000? | 00:33 |
| kerio | eeeeeeeeeey sexy number | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | this is awesome | 00:33 |
| teotwaki | haha, wanna see more? | 00:33 |
| kerio | teotwaki style | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | sure! | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | +330000000 yeah | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about 0 count but yeah | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | golden! > >We have unpaid volunteer swho have no consequence from us if they bork our infrastructure.[/quote name=Robert_Bauer]<< I see exactly one guy who volunteered for a minor job of keeping an eye on maemo assets and still managed to bork whole maemo.org from this remote position. | 00:34 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: shoot, obviously the TTS doesn't work... | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | Text to Speech? | 00:37 |
| MohammadAG | nothing besides Gangnam Style? :P | 00:37 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: having a look, dev server | 00:40 |
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| teotwaki | shoot, I broked it | 00:41 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: did you hear music when you picked up? | 00:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: please don't abandon maemo :( | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, yeah, gangnam style | 00:43 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: I tried to abuse the TTS so it stream radios to the phone | 00:44 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: apparently it died while attempting to do that. | 00:44 |
| teotwaki | and changing radios with 4 and 6, volume with 1 and 3 | 00:44 |
| teotwaki | There was actually a guy who used our service to have people listen to music... Music over a cellular phone line... | 00:45 |
| teotwaki | And you thought mp3 was bad ;) | 00:45 |
| kerio | teotwaki: just do multiple phone calls | 00:45 |
| teotwaki | oh you want me to conference all of us in? | 00:45 |
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| kerio | phone codecs are 8kHz, right? | 00:45 |
| kerio | no, i meant for musc | 00:46 |
| teotwaki | yeah | 00:46 |
| kerio | music | 00:46 |
| kerio | do 4 calls at the same time | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, lossless quality | 00:46 |
| kerio | each with a quarter of the samples | 00:46 |
| teotwaki | kerio: and what phone supports that? | 00:46 |
| kerio | actually, 8 | 00:46 |
| kerio | teotwaki: beats me | 00:46 |
| kerio | but it's possible! | 00:46 |
| teotwaki | kerio: also, phone lines aren't synchronous | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | but the earpiece in your phone can't play the lossless flac that's sent to it over GSM | 00:46 |
| teotwaki | kerio: so two calls leaving the server at the same time aren't guaranteed to arrive at the customer through the same route, or at the same time | 00:46 |
| kerio | teotwaki: hm, good point | 00:46 |
| kerio | we should add a way to synchronize it | 00:46 |
| kerio | and at that point, we might as well make it digital, to allow for compression | 00:47 |
| teotwaki | kerio: it is digital | 00:47 |
| kerio | we'd need a way to modulate and demodulate the signal... | 00:47 |
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| kerio | i think we're onto something here | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | just out of curiosity, how much did that 32s call cost? | 00:47 |
| teotwaki | kerio: there's hardly any analogue phones left | 00:47 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: fuck me if I know | 00:47 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: we don't pay for calls placed by the dev server | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | someone has to :P | 00:48 |
| teotwaki | yeah, but not us. | 00:48 |
| kerio | yay calls | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | you know what'd be fun? | 00:48 |
| teotwaki | and frankly, considering the network saw 4.6 million calls go by | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | cracking open truecaller's database | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | and calling each number there | 00:48 |
| teotwaki | when we have logs indicating we've placed over 6 million calls | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | with Gangnam Style or Never Gonna Give You Up playing | 00:48 |
| teotwaki | well, I'm not too worried about the one dev call to IL. | 00:48 |
| teotwaki | I can always pretend I used your phone to test for DTMF response time over long distance | 00:49 |
| teotwaki | GeneralAntilles: wanna chat with MohammadAG? I'll put you two in a conference :) | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | heh, there's Skype for that :P | 00:50 |
| teotwaki | ok | 00:50 |
| teotwaki | now that I have your number... | 00:50 |
| teotwaki | let's have some fun. | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | I was thinking of changing it | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | found an 054696969 number for sale | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | No telemarketers over dinner. | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's 5000 bucks though | 00:50 |
| kerio | teotwaki: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlW3O7jWlgk | 00:50 |
| teotwaki | kerio: hahaha, best ever | 00:51 |
| teotwaki | lemme rip that | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, first line in description :p | 00:52 |
| teotwaki | aye | 00:52 |
| teotwaki | found it | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: this apocalypse: http://privatepaste.com/9c9bb6e15e | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob going berserk on the volunteers working hard to keep maemo alive, for sake of his lawyer mindset on how administration of a server might look like | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which is probably as educated as mine on american civil law) | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | SD69? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:01 |
| teotwaki | \o/ | 01:03 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: apologies | 01:03 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: even if you hang up | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fun detail: since Nokia hasn't transferred maemo.org at large to HiFo yet, he basically is nobody's boss right now, and all the volunteers are courtesy Nemein so far | 01:03 |
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| teotwaki | it will call back | 01:03 |
| teotwaki | NEVER GONNA LET YOU GO | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, damn, my phone went into night mode | 01:04 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: you didn't get the call? | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | (which is glorified airplane mode) | 01:04 |
| teotwaki | hahaha | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | turned it off now | 01:04 |
| teotwaki | I'm spamming your mailbox | 01:04 |
| teotwaki | You're gonna have 3 minute long voice mails xD | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | any call should come in now | 01:05 |
| teotwaki | nha | 01:05 |
| teotwaki | I can see | 01:05 |
| teotwaki | it's still singing to your voicemail | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | this should be fun | 01:05 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: you can hang up | 01:08 |
| teotwaki | it'll call again, no worries :) | 01:08 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: try this for size, press some buttons, I'll tell you which ones that was :) | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, no, my phone has a Wolfson DAC, listening to this with some headphones is fun | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:09 |
| teotwaki | haha | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | I typed fuckyou in DTMF, if you made that out :P | 01:09 |
| teotwaki | nope | 01:10 |
| teotwaki | didn't get a thing, weirdly | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | the note 2 doesn't make keypad sounds btw | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | did it again | 01:10 |
| teotwaki | nope | 01:10 |
| teotwaki | not getting anything | 01:10 |
| teotwaki | might be international shit though | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing it's the note | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what'd happen if I take a recording of this call to the police | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | holy shit that was instant | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | (the redial) | 01:12 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: pm me your email | 01:13 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: basically, the top left part is a small app that enables us to see calls progress in realtime | 01:15 |
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| teotwaki | we see every event, every hickup, every sound being played, every conference being joined, etc. | 01:15 |
| teotwaki | @rest: No showing it, as it has Mohammad's phone visible. | 01:15 |
| kerio | teotwaki: even mspaint has a way to draw black rectangles | 01:16 |
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| merlin1991 | and kerio wins the jackpot | 01:16 |
| teotwaki | kerio: yeah, but I cba to open the gimp :P | 01:16 |
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| kerio | i what now | 01:17 |
| teotwaki | ~jackpot | 01:17 |
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| teotwaki | ~jack pot? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, no email :P | 01:17 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: eh? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | and the last thing in my spam box is I CONTACT YOU FOR A DONATION PROJECT | 01:17 |
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| eccerr0r | cute. transmission has a splash screen that says "about to kill your wireless quota and your battery". That made my day. | 01:21 |
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| kerio | eccerr0r: transmission is probably too heavy for the n900 | 01:22 |
| eccerr0r | yeah, likely is, bittorrent was having issues on my celery 450 when I had it, and that's probably around the same speed as the n900 | 01:22 |
| kerio | rtorrent could be a bit better | 01:23 |
| eccerr0r | it's mostly to piss off wireless carriers that forbid using the phone any way you want it...(like tethering, etc.) | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, sacré bleu, c'est en français | 01:24 |
| teotwaki | http://imagebin.org/246635 | 01:24 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: well, it's a completely french system, so yeah. | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | DUDE | 01:24 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: imagined by a frenchman, designed by a frenchman, implemented by the same frenchman | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | YOU DIDN'T BLUR THE FUCKING AREA CODE | 01:24 |
| teotwaki | err, and? | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | now everyone know I live in Israel! | 01:25 |
| teotwaki | again, and? | 01:25 |
| eccerr0r | i still use rtorrent on my desktop PCs... | 01:25 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: everyone knows you live in fucking IL. | 01:25 |
| kerio | yeah | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | bah, you ruined the joke | 01:25 |
| kerio | hehe | 01:25 |
| kerio | hm, i think that the number can still be reconstructed | 01:25 |
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| kerio | use a black bar, don't blur | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | I'm interested in where the mp3 is set | 01:26 |
| eccerr0r | ^^ | 01:26 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: the mp3? | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | hm yep that gui looks french | 01:26 |
| teotwaki | oh, and by the way | 01:26 |
| teotwaki | those "momo" thingies you see everywhere | 01:26 |
| teotwaki | that's not a reference to you, MohammadAG. | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | it's just the guy who hacked a big part of the system | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | well | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | his name was Mohamed | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | and he wasn't really inspired when it came to naming variables | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | so yeah, momo_158 is pretty much the norm. | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | aww, don't deny it, it's cute you called me that :P | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | teotwaki, yeah, the song's mp3 :P | 01:28 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: well... the system doesn't support mp3 :) | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | it takes uncompressed wav? :P | 01:28 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: which is why, on your screenshot, you'll notice I used ffmpeg to convert... | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | oh yeah | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | I clicked the link you posted here and stayed on that tab | 01:29 |
| teotwaki | well, it only takes mono, 8KHz, 16-bit waves :) | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | thought it was the same | 01:29 |
| n900-dk | buys, get a room ;) | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how much the dev server logs would rise tomorrow, you know, for valentine's day and all :P | 01:30 |
| n900-dk | ~s/buys/boys/g | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | or s/buys/guys/ :P | 01:30 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: we're at roughly 30GB of logs per month. | 01:30 |
| n900-dk | heh | 01:31 |
| teotwaki | well, binary logs, not traces | 01:31 |
| teotwaki | (bzip2'd) | 01:31 |
| teotwaki | I doubt valentines will make a dent | 01:31 |
| teotwaki | also, I dumped the missus week and a half ago | 01:32 |
| teotwaki | anyway | 01:33 |
| teotwaki | I'm out | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 01:33 |
| teotwaki | or | 01:33 |
| teotwaki | at least going for a ciggie | 01:33 |
| teotwaki | (Can you imagine, with all the clichés about french people, you're not allowed to smoke at the office?) | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | s/ciggie/fags/ | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I still can't grasp smoking :P | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I tried it for a month, saw no point, and quit | 01:34 |
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| teotwaki | MohammadAG: yeah yeah, it's not always easy being a non smoker | 01:44 |
| teotwaki | MohammadAG: but that first cigarette after sex, phenomenal. | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | meh, it was after an exam | 01:47 |
| kerio | it's fairly easy to always have been a non-smoker | 01:49 |
| kerio | not doing things is easy | 01:49 |
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| shawnjefferson | I've been trying to follow the migration and have been reading tmo and irc. What is the plan to address the hashsum mismatch errors? | 02:13 |
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| merlin1991 | check all deb md5s sanity check the debs with wrong ones and rebuild the package index | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | but that needs access | 02:16 |
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| merlin1991 | and some info from nemain | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | s/main/mein/ | 02:17 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: and some info from nemein | 02:17 |
| shawnjefferson | hmm, seems like a good plan. The holdup is HF? Seems it should be their top priority. | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: it's pretty unclear what's HiFo's top priority right now. They forbid granting merlin access to repos, since HiFo wasn't able to formally approve him yet as maintainer of that stuff | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the good news: for now HiFo isn't in the position to forbid that, since it's still Nemein to have the final word about who does what on maemo.org | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just did a mishap of asking them nevertheless, since I felt we should involve them early, even before Nokia passed responsibility for maemo to HiFo | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their answer: I'm not allowed to grant merlin1991 (or any other volunteer) access to maemo infra before they formally approved him/her in one of their roughly monthly official meetings | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (last meeting took >6 weeks form the one before that in December iirc) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and next meeting is not even scheduled yet | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo's top priority for now should be to get free server Colocation plan moving, so they don't have to pay ~1700EUR per month for Nemein's xen-grid VMs, starting with 2013-03-01. But it seems they are not particularly interested in helping the maemo technical staff to get that established. They didn't even provide their *address*(!!!) so warfare could get proper papers from iphh.net for HiFo, where they would offer that free CoLo | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we found a way to move around that paperwork issue, to the extent where we just need a written informal "OK, go ahead!" from HiFo. But given the way HiFo focusing on smashing everything technical staff is establishing, we didn't dare to ask yet. | 03:09 |
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| shawnjefferson | so maemo.org systems aren't actually "ours" yet? I assumed they were since Nokia is so hands off. | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just mentioning that the guy in HiFo who's most vocal about blocking maemo technical staff's work to wait for HiFo's occasional meetings never owned a N900 | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, maemo.org still Nokia property | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only can speculate what or who is the blocker in those negotiations that should result in Nokia handing stuff to HiFo. I have a certain idea though... | 03:22 |
| shawnjefferson | I knew about the domain, but I thought the repos, tmo, garage, etc was "ours". | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually nothing is 'ours' yet, except tmo | 03:24 |
| MentalistTraceur | They're more under our control then they were, now, but not /legally/ ours yet. | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein granted me access to all infra, and I asked them to grant warfare access (could have done myself if I wasn't such a lousy sysop ;-D ). We helped to bring up repo again, and also with some other details like firewall a.s.o. | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the guy with the hat on is still Nemein | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which - funny enough - is a lucky incident, since otherwise nothing would have been done yet | 03:30 |
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| shawnjefferson | thanks for the clarification! You've done a great job geting the services up and running for us community members, thanks for the effort so far. I'd like to see HF and council prioritize now though: hashsum, autobuilder, 2nd migration (nemein is too expensive by far). | 03:35 |
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| shawnjefferson | I don't know what BoD is working on... but it seems those should be the priorities short term? | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: [2013-02-14 02:06:01] <DocScrutinizer05> HiFo's top priority for now should be to get free server Colocation plan moving, so they don't have to pay ~1700EUR per month... | 03:40 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: apt-torrent :) | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: we have no technical problems to solve. Our only problem is organizational. Since HiFo wants to do micro-mamagement of domains they have no competence in. And HiFo can't do a decission even when they sit together in one room, since they have to stick to arcane incantations that need weeks of preparation, to get a single mail out about something nobody ever had a doubt should get done | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their excuse: > >This Board gives maemo council far more authority than Nokia ever gav emaemo council and is being enabled to attend to the problems of the maem oinfrastructure better than before. We had things lie unattended for month sand months, sometimes a year, while Niemein/Niels did nothing about it.<< | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is both incorrect and also not applicable as a comparison to our current situation | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically Rob is saying that council and the volunteers should be happy that board allows them to do anything at all about keeping maemo alive, and we should thank board for their generosity | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while in fact they have no saying in what we may or may not do on maemo.org at all, as long as Nokia hasn't transferred responsibility for maemo from Nemein to HiFo | 03:57 |
| Sc0rpius | and even after that you won't have a say | 03:57 |
| Sc0rpius | mark my words | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's "you"? | 03:58 |
| Sc0rpius | everybody else | 03:58 |
| Sc0rpius | everybody who wants to contribute | 03:58 |
| Sc0rpius | and it's not a member of the "Board" | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I think either you lost me or we lost you | 03:58 |
| Sc0rpius | is not | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, go to sleep. | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 04:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, 'cause it's late at night. :P | 04:17 |
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| ShadowX | Q: Is it possible to force n900 to keep showing pictures gotten from different IMs even if the account is disabled? I mean ...i'm adding my gtalk just to get some pictures for few friends. But if I disable the account , the pictures are not shown anymore. So my Q is , is there a way to force showing pics of disabled accounts? | 11:39 |
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| iluminator105 | how do revert back to stock camera app? | 12:05 |
| chem|st | iluminator105: what do you mean? | 12:06 |
| chem|st | install by hand again, without the other repo active?! | 12:06 |
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| iluminator105 | i am a commandline guy i dont wanna do thats why i asked | 12:10 |
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| amospalla | is there a way to use instant messaging enabled/disabled account profiles, without contact lists get messed up? | 13:06 |
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| raandoom | amospalla, why do you need it? account can be enabled and always offline :) and account contacts dont get messed up. | 13:52 |
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| amospalla | raandoom: for example, Mary has a jabber account, that I have inside his contact info, when I enable/disable accounts, his jabber account gets outside of his contact entry | 13:55 |
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| amospalla | I like to disable accounts sometimes, but I don't because I have to merge contacts again | 13:56 |
| amospalla | somebody told me here that it works that way, and I can not do anything, but wanted to ask again, it's strange to me it can not work in a more friendly way | 13:57 |
| raandoom | wow. i didnt know about that | 13:57 |
| raandoom | i usually dont merge contacts | 13:59 |
| amospalla | I like to have all info about "Mary" on a single contact | 14:00 |
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| kerio | merging contacts is the shit | 14:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: pong | 14:15 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: <3 | 14:16 |
| kerio | feeling slightly better? or still monumentally pissed off? | 14:17 |
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| teotwaki | wrong question | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MT took initiative to drive our migration adventure and I'm helping as much as I can. I'm just ignoring my feeling of pissed-off for now, until the issue again gets topic #1. Actually right now our problems are not with approving volunteers and Rob's/HiFo's funny ideas how to manage a tech staff | 14:30 |
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| ShadowJK | seems HiFo is better at pissing of community than Nokia? ;) | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a lot better | 14:38 |
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| kerio | meh, it seems about the same, it's just our expectation that's different | 15:00 |
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| Pali | did you saw this? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames | 15:14 |
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| * teotwaki waves at Jaffa | 15:14 | |
| Jaffa | 'lo | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | teotwaki: Thought about jumping into your Twitter conversation yesterday, but decided better of it | 15:15 |
| teotwaki | Jaffa: yeah, got a few DMs afterwards. | 15:15 |
| Pali | so new udev will rename eth0 to some enp5s0? | 15:15 |
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| Jaffa | teotwaki: FWIW, I'm with you. He's often worried about follower numbers or people downvoting things on Planet | 15:16 |
| kerio | Pali: hahaha systemd hahaha | 15:19 |
| Pali | part of systemd is udev | 15:19 |
| Pali | and as I understand this is implemented in udev | 15:20 |
| Pali | I want working udev!! | 15:20 |
| Pali | enp2s0 or enx78e7d1ea46da as interface name is nonsense | 15:20 |
| kerio | yeah, the udev takeover is some major bullshit | 15:20 |
| Pali | eth0 is normal name | 15:20 |
| Pali | also wlanX | 15:21 |
| Pali | ok, somebody should create posters "Wanted: Lennart dead or alive" | 15:22 |
| jaska | s/or alive// | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +10000 | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there already a website lennart-no-thanks.net ? | 15:29 |
| Pali | see prefix names: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/udev/udev-builtin-net_id.c#n30 | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe stop-lennart.org | 15:30 |
| Pali | en* = ethernet | 15:30 |
| Pali | WTF? | 15:30 |
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| Pali | we had always eth* for ethernet | 15:31 |
| Pali | now this enought | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SPC TERMINAL DATION INOUT ALPHIC DIM(,) TFU MAX FORWARD CONTROL (ALL); | 15:32 |
| Pali | Why somebody accepted this patch wich breaking name conventions for network interfaces??? | 15:33 |
| Pali | Finally kernel drivers started using eth* for ethernet and wlan* for wifi cards | 15:33 |
| Pali | and now some idiot got nice idea how to revert kernel patches in userspace... | 15:34 |
| Pali | and also break everything... | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's Lennart's preferred game | 15:35 |
| Pali | if they wanted *pemanent* numbers for devices, why not to use scheme wlan<numer> and eth<number>?? | 15:35 |
| Pali | Now I really do not understand this step | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess each time he watches whole linux world stumpling and falling for a major fuckup he introduced, he gets a day-long orgasm | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next few weeks he has fever with delusions of thousands of devels patching their code to adopt his braindead new patch | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "no matter if the love or hate you. as long as everybody speaks about you, you're famous" | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they* | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 15:40 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 15:40 |
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| topro | does anyone know whats the n900 timer granularity, please? is it as bad as 50msec as my first test implies? | 15:42 |
| kerio | which timer? | 15:42 |
| topro | all timers rely on kernel timer granularity, don't they? | 15:42 |
| kerio | sure | 15:43 |
| topro | I need to measure time intervals in my c++ code as precisely as possible | 15:44 |
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| topro | I tried QTime::elapsed and it implies a resolution of 50ms. | 15:44 |
| kerio | "implies" how? | 15:45 |
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| topro | it returns ms, but all results I get are a multiple of 50 | 15:45 |
| kerio | what does gettimeofday() do? | 15:48 |
| topro | kerio: didn't try and have my sdk at home. so i'll give it a try tonight. | 15:48 |
| topro | I'll let you know ;) anyway, thanks for the hint | 15:49 |
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| teotwaki | topro: timer precision is based on the platform | 15:57 |
| teotwaki | topro: you may be able to use the PMU to get some more precise timers, but it's going to be very platform-specific (cortex v8 in this case) | 16:02 |
| teotwaki | topro: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344k/ch14s10s01.html | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generally "jiffies" is the buzzword | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: hey, ETM, my pet topic :-) | 16:14 |
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| kerio | how do high-resolution clocks deal with relativistic effects? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: don't you think ETM would make for a really great extension to what gdb can do? | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: AIUI ETB is available on platform as well, not only via the jtag interface | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: absolutely identical to the way my butt deals with them | 16:17 |
| kerio | but... your butt isn't used to keep the time! | 16:18 |
| kerio | ...is it? | 16:18 |
| teotwaki | by the way | 16:20 |
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| teotwaki | a guy on my team, friend I've known for decades, a small god when it comes to debugging and hunting down bugs | 16:20 |
| teotwaki | his 4-letter name is JTAG | 16:20 |
| kerio | haha | 16:21 |
| kerio | nice | 16:21 |
| teotwaki | (first initial then 3 first letters of last name) | 16:21 |
| teotwaki | his email is actually jtag@... | 16:21 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, do you have any news about extras-devel? when will be working again? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | topro: > >The accuracy of various system calls that set timeouts, (e.g., select(2), sigtimedwait(2)) and measure CPU time (e.g., getrusage(2)) is limited by the resolution of the software clock, a clock maintained by the kernel which measures time in jiffies. The size of a jiffy is determined by the value of the kernel constant HZ.<< ( man 7 time ) | 16:24 |
| kerio | Pali: ask merlin1991 | 16:24 |
| Pali | autobuilder for extras-devel still not working | 16:24 |
| Pali | kerio, why merlin? | 16:24 |
| kerio | he's the repo dude now | 16:24 |
| Pali | merlin1991: ping | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: possibly never, since HiFo is too concerned any volunteer touching it might be a rogue hacker that messes up our infra | 16:25 |
| kerio | oh yeah, there's that too | 16:25 |
| Pali | so this is end of maemo, fremantle and n900? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: also HiFo does not trust in my abilities to properly handle permissions (or they have never heard about permissions) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just wonder wtf been the purpose of HiFo appointing me for maemo administration manager then, when they want to doublecheck and approve every single chmod or useradd I do | 16:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, these correspondence emails, are they going between you and Rob or you and the whole board? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one been from him to me, with no visible CC. The others are between board and council | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: (end of...) depends on very next actions and/or statements from HiFo. Possibly yes | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: NB while 2 out of 3 of HiFo opted for "let them do their job, we can review and revoke everything any time later on", one (guess who) insists in HiFo staying in control of everything related to daily operational business, while same time they say HiFo can't decide anything any faster than ~2 weeks delay minimum | 16:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: so... can't they outvote him? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: NFC what's the deal with HiFo | 16:36 |
| thedead1440 | kerio: you need to find evidence of misconduct to do so; although IMO his actions are enough of gross misconduct | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once I thought I know what they are supposed to do and how they might do that. Now I really don't know anymore about what ideas they got | 16:36 |
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| thedead1440 | also they can't outvote him; Council decide on misconduct demeanour's | 16:37 |
| kerio | ...really | 16:37 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, and some info from nokia about maemo swadmin gpg key? | 16:37 |
| kerio | Pali: nothing, so far | 16:37 |
| thedead1440 | that i mean to kick him out; outvote the issue is they inadvertently end up following him for whatever it is | 16:37 |
| kerio | Pali: btw, i was looking for you a while ago | 16:40 |
| kerio | my Conversations have a scrollbar | 16:40 |
| kerio | the kind that you have to drag around | 16:40 |
| Pali | kerio, I had same | 16:41 |
| kerio | and trying to scroll in the middle selects text instead | 16:41 |
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| kerio | i know, that's why i wanted to ask you | 16:41 |
| kerio | i already tried deleting my .mozilla | 16:41 |
| kerio | didn't fix it | 16:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like in school, asking "may I visit the toilet" and answer is "send in filled form 27B/2 for that" | 16:41 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: obviously, piss in a corner | 16:42 |
| Pali | kerio, check permission in .mozilla | 16:42 |
| Pali | also owner/group | 16:42 |
| Pali | I deted that folder more times and killed browser/rtcom processes | 16:42 |
| Pali | and this fixed it | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: either that, or just ignore the answer and leave room without further comment [yet to be decided upon whether to come back after toilet or just go home and have a morepleasant day] | 16:46 |
| kerio | Pali: the thing is, i deleted it when the system was off | 16:49 |
| kerio | so it should've been completely rebuilt afterwards | 16:50 |
| kerio | hm, i think i botched the optification | 16:53 |
| topro | DocScrutinizer05: concerning kernel constant HZ: afaik this is true for kernels not supporting high resolution timers, or is hr_timers something x86 specific? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, that's too specific for my knowledge about the topic | 16:56 |
| topro | iirc hr timers came with ~2.6.25, right? | 16:56 |
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| kerio | Pali: no luck :( | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (optification) toldya ;) | 16:57 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i also undid the optification | 16:58 |
| kerio | and the problem stayed | 16:58 |
| kerio | so i don't know if it's the optification or my weird configuration | 16:58 |
| kerio | ...i don't receive messages that often | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: some maybe useless guessoid: I seem to recall this stuff is related to themes | 16:58 |
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| merlin1991 | what was the non-systemd udev project again?= | 17:01 |
| Pali | ~seen Aranel | 17:02 |
| infobot | aranel is currently on #n9 (15h 33m 55s) #harmattan (15h 33m 55s) #meego (15h 33m 55s), last said: 'thedead1440: oh okay, It was weird to see all kinds of errors when running a apt-get purge'. | 17:02 |
| Pali | kerio, ask Aranel, he had same problem | 17:03 |
| Pali | merlin1991, udev is part of systemd... | 17:03 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: there is a non systemd udev poject | 17:04 |
| Pali | merlin1991, I heard about it, but devs who forked it told that this non systemd udev is not for normal usage... | 17:05 |
| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer05: Please down leave - hope you will return to the class, so you can enjoy all the fun from your classmates - no matter how stupid and incompetent the supervisors are :) | 17:05 |
| kerio | yeah, down leave! | 17:06 |
| kerio | wait, what | 17:06 |
| n900-dk | ~s/down/dont/ | 17:06 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: doesn't say that in their readme: https://github.com/gentoo/eudev | 17:08 |
| Pali | merlin1991, devs who forked udev told that on fosdem | 17:09 |
| merlin1991 | ah okay | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they need to get convinced for the better | 17:09 |
| ccxCZ | well, they said e stands for experimental | 17:10 |
| ccxCZ | or could stand | 17:10 |
| ccxCZ | so far they mostly just re-plumbed the buildsystem and tweaked few things here and there | 17:10 |
| ccxCZ | but the goal is of course to have something in case systemd devs go borg on init systems | 17:11 |
| kerio | "in case"? | 17:11 |
| ccxCZ | no comment :] | 17:12 |
| ccxCZ | I'm happily using mdev and openrc atm | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck systemd | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 17:13 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 17:13 |
| merlin1991 | hm never heard of openrc | 17:13 |
| n900-dk | anyone using x11vnc on the n900? | 17:15 |
| kerio | meh, i should reflash | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/dead or alive/dead: reward 10000EUR, alive: reward 1000EUR"/ | 17:15 |
| kerio | starting over is always fun | 17:16 |
| kerio | "dead or alive, but preferrably dead" | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/dead or alive/dead: reward 10000EUR, alive: reward 1000EUR (only when conveniently packaged)"/ | 17:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have a BM backup of a freshly-flashed system? | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: systemd is very good compared to PA | 17:18 |
| Pali | kerio, try to install new theme | 17:18 |
| Pali | switch to that new theme and reboot | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: sorry, probably not | 17:19 |
| kerio | hm, it's probably even better to grab the .fiasco images, unpack, nandsim, and grab the files | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: i might deliver any files you ask for | 17:20 |
| kerio | nah, i'll do it myself after i boot my linux partition | 17:21 |
| kerio | no nandsim on os x | 17:21 |
| kerio | and no ubifs | 17:21 |
| kerio | and no ext | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 17:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can you check if /usr/share/themes is a symlink on your system(s)? | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-06-23 06:03 /usr/share/themes -> /opt/usr/share/themes | 17:24 |
| kerio | ok, so it wasn't mine :) | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incredible how much customization hides in /etc etc | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ssh iron900: ssh: Could not resolve hostname iron900: Name or service not known | 17:25 |
| kerio | lrn2.ssh/config | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moving to a new system *always* is weeks of annoyance | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | that's why you put ssh fun into .ssh/config | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | so you keep at least those aliases ;) | 17:26 |
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| kerio | Pali: still no dice | 17:26 |
| kerio | but the theme thing *is* a bit weird | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: i'm not going to assign IP addr to hostnames inside my ssh config | 17:26 |
| kerio | some things don't change properly | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: since that's clearly a job for /etc7hosts | 17:27 |
| kerio | also what the fuck, hildon-theme-beta is ugly as fuck | 17:27 |
| Pali | kerio, try to spawn browser[d] and rtcom-* with run-standalone.sh | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr, no fan RpM on linux sensors for this board | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Manufacturer: "Intel Corporation" Product: "DH77EB" Version: "AAG39073-304" | 17:32 |
| Pali | kerio, I updated battery status plugin, bme replacement packages and kernel-power v52 | 17:34 |
| kerio | yay | 17:35 |
| Pali | there was bug in rx51_battery driver which reported temperature in bad units | 17:35 |
| Pali | so I changed it also in bme replacement packages | 17:35 |
| kerio | hm, is that the only fix? | 17:35 |
| kerio | ~pali | 17:35 |
| infobot | well, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 17:35 |
| Pali | kerio, next patch is for bq2415x driver | 17:36 |
| Pali | I renamed none mode to off | 17:36 |
| kerio | is "none" also still accepted? | 17:36 |
| Pali | and added new none mode which enable charger with current limit 100mA | 17:36 |
| kerio | oh | 17:36 |
| kerio | neat | 17:36 |
| kerio | Pali: why not "low" or something like that? | 17:37 |
| kerio | breaking backwards-compatibility, even for bleeding-edge things, always makes me sad :( | 17:37 |
| Pali | usb spec say that 100mA is max limit before usb enumeration | 17:37 |
| kerio | yeah, but why not call it "low"? | 17:37 |
| Pali | so 100mA is safe | 17:37 |
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| Pali | because none is already used by some scripts/people | 17:38 |
| kerio | ...that's precisely the wrong reason to call it none | 17:38 |
| Pali | unknown/none/na charger | 17:39 |
| Pali | kerio, make sure you update kernel-power and bme replacement packages at one time without rebooting | 17:40 |
| Pali | instead you can get bootloop because of "hot" device | 17:40 |
| kerio | yeah, i figured :) | 17:40 |
| Pali | now I pushed also update for status area battery plugin to cssu devel | 17:41 |
| kerio | Pali: what's the directory for kernel-power on your site? | 17:42 |
| Pali | it is not in directory | 17:43 |
| kerio | :( | 17:43 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270141&postcount=168 | 17:44 |
| kerio | wait, that's september 21 | 17:45 |
| Pali | links are same | 17:46 |
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| kerio | Pali: have you also gave a look at my patch for u-boot-tools? | 17:49 |
| Pali | kerio, not yet... | 17:49 |
| Pali | merlin1991, when will be next cssu meeting? | 17:50 |
| kerio | Pali: it boots! yay! | 17:53 |
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| kerio | holy shit, 3 seconds for 2 reboots | 17:56 |
| Pali | what? | 17:57 |
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| kerio | Pali: the hwclock | 18:11 |
| kerio | it drifts like hell | 18:11 |
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| Pali | kerio, I forgot to update hald-addon-bme, now I uploaded new deb package | 18:18 |
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| kerio | D: | 18:19 |
| MentalistTraceur | kerio: is that face at or about me? | 18:23 |
| kerio | MentalistTraceur: no, it's just that i have to reboot | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] mail back to normal operation | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi MentalistTraceur | 18:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but is it a board-approved operation? | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: obviously not, so i gonna have to delete all mails that would get sent to board | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: (hwclock drift) fix your adjfile! | 18:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly never seen RTC drifting much. I seen hwclock --adjfile messing stuff up fubar several times | 18:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the hwclock has 1-sec granularity | 18:29 |
| kerio | i guess that you'll lose half a second, on average, for each write/shutdown/boot/read | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh FFS | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-( | 18:32 |
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| Pali | kerio, I updated kernel-power deb packages | 19:09 |
| Pali | I forgot to include one patch for bq2415x | 19:10 |
| Pali | without it sysfs node reported bad detected charger | 19:10 |
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| kerio | Pali: blah | 20:02 |
| kerio | one more reboot | 20:02 |
| kerio | son, i am disappoint | 20:02 |
| kerio | Pali: i want ksplice for kernel-power! | 20:02 |
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| WizardNumberNext | udev - that seams to be work of some alien! I do not understand this lanuage at all. I think, if that shit would happen, i am going to put all my interfaces on bridge and build brtables and arptables to get back both sensul name and normal NIC behavour | 20:21 |
| kerio | how expensive is a hitman? | 20:21 |
| kerio | we can pool some bitcoins | 20:22 |
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| Pali | cut his hands, so he will not be able to write any new line of code | 20:26 |
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| kerio | Pali: there's speech-to-text now | 20:29 |
| kerio | i believe that any solution has to be more... radical | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | i'm afraid redhat would pull a clone out of their fridge if anything ever happened to poettering | 20:30 |
| kerio | hahaha | 20:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: systemd's bus factor is 1 | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which in itself disqualifies systemd for any serious system | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since eventually he *will* get hit by a bus, and then? watch systemd bitrotting? | 20:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: gleefully | 20:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: btw, can you drive a bus? | 20:32 |
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| kerio | also, should i reflash, at last? | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I can drive everything from a micro rc-car (28mm total length) to bus, tank, even helicopter | 21:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You don't drive a helicopter. | 21:30 |
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| RST38h | So, Doc, how big a... mhm... helicopter have you driven so far? | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how big is this Bell thing? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (it only been 3 minutes, on a ride I hired where some other pilot did lessons and they wanted to earn a hundred bucks for taking me with them) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the other ones been much smaller, much much much smaller ;-) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or even virtual) | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: a good friend of me stated I don't drive a car either - he supposed I operate a mobile Otto engine | 22:01 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i bet that a helicopter-shaped dent in lennart poettering would do wonders for systemd | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet on that. Less though on the details of that wonder. Might be rather unexpected | 22:05 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder if red bull went through / completed their planned modifications to their Bo105 that would enable it to hover upside down | 22:11 |
| kerio | seriously, what the hell's wrong with my browserd | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, terrifying | 22:13 |
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| kerio | browserd[2232]: New e:0x60530, g:0x2f65e8, ctx:(nil) | 22:24 |
| kerio | what does this mean? | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thismeans it got a flue, and wants a hooker | 22:28 |
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| kerio | E: Couldn't find package microb-engine-hooker | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaaaw | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't browserd open? | 22:31 |
| kerio | not rtcom-messaging-ui though | 22:31 |
| spoofy | Hello :) I have a problem after battery calibration. Polarcell ~1550 mAh. I don't have any low battery alert notification or sound. | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this clearly states the process is browserd | 22:31 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: smartarse | 22:32 |
| kerio | spoofy: i doubt it was caused by the calibration itself | 22:32 |
| kerio | anyway, bme won't really care about your calibration | 22:32 |
| spoofy | kerio: so I should recalibrate it again? | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | bme doesn't care about calibration | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why would you calibrate first instance? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you're using bq27k-detail or bq27200.sh you don't even notice calibration | 22:33 |
| kerio | or the bme replacement! | 22:33 |
| kerio | except that it tends to use bogus data | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he didn't even mention that | 22:34 |
| kerio | Pali: >:C | 22:34 |
| spoofy | Hmm.. I used a sq27200.sh script | 22:34 |
| kerio | holy shit the microb-engine tarball is 58mb, compressed | 22:34 |
| spoofy | bq* | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you should be able to tell if your calibration been successful or not | 22:34 |
| kerio | spoofy: yeah but the battery meter doesn't use that | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is CI=0? what's cycles-since-last-learning? | 22:35 |
| ShadowJK | spoofy, the "calibration" only makes a difference for the values reported by bq27200.sh and similar programs. It makes no difference for the default built-in battery meter or low battery alarms... | 22:35 |
| spoofy | Damn it :/ | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: I suggest `stop bme; sleep 5; start bme; sleep 5; stop mce; sleep 5; start mce` | 22:36 |
| spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: hmmm.. ok I'll try | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably your calibration deactivated bat-low warnings and your 2forgot2 to re-enable it | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "forgot"* | 22:37 |
| spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: You think It will help? | 22:37 |
| kerio | or he just didn't start bme again | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:37 |
| spoofy | I used polarcell since mounth or more | 22:37 |
| kerio | although... nah | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's basically what I meant | 22:38 |
| spoofy | also the new "battery applet" from dev repo is not working right | 22:39 |
| spoofy | It shows 1280 mAh but I have 155x mAh | 22:40 |
| kerio | spoofy: the battery applet from cssu-devel prefers to display utterly bogus data instead of nothing at all | 22:40 |
| kerio | and it prefers to display utterly bogus data instead of data that's reported as perfectly accurate, and *is* perfectly accurate, but it "might not be" | 22:41 |
| ecc3g | is there even a way for the n900 to measure actual capacity of the battery? That "capacity resistor" definitely does not do justice to degraded cells... | 22:41 |
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| kerio | ecc3g: the capacity resistor is the utterly bogus data | 22:41 |
| kerio | bq27k can be calibrated, and it's fairly accurate | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys bq27 | 22:42 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'bq27' by key (2): bq27k-detail ;; bq27200. | 22:42 |
| spoofy | Last mesured Discharge: 1557 mAh | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 22:42 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27200 | 22:42 |
| infobot | [bq27k-detail] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also: | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~batteryfaq | 22:43 |
| infobot | i heard batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which has built-in bq27000) | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: also you should use my script later on in that thread, rather than manual method as suggested by Estel | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...for bq27200 calibration | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply look there: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | 1557 sounds fine for polarcell anyway | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:48 |
| spoofy | w8.. I just want to have: a) battery icon working - showing actual +/- battery state, b) Alert notifications before completly discharge, c) Real battery captivity | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 1280 for design capacity sunds abut right as well | 22:48 |
| spoofy | What should I use to have all of these "features" :D | 22:48 |
| spoofy | what kind'a script, calibratin or something :D | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think there's such thing 8yet) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (yet) | 22:49 |
| spoofy | Doc, Why should I use your script? | 22:49 |
| spoofy | Is it better than estels bqxxxx? | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; ffs, his issue isn't calibration | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it takes care about stopping and starting bme at the right moments, and works unattended | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: his issue are pink ponies, for all I can tell | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, right now, a misconception about calibration paired with a flawed calibration procedure resulting in bme not working | 22:51 |
| spoofy | Ok.. so when I'm calibrating the battery (learning cycle - stop bme, charge&discharge > bme learned new captivity > charge again) I should stop bme few times again? | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | All those random scripts, including all of mine, wont do anything for him. | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | spoofy; no, bme never learns anything, ever. | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except save him from messing up stuff during manual calibration | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-14 21:48:11] <spoofy> w8.. I just want to have: a) battery icon working - showing actual +/- battery state, b) Alert notifications before completly discharge, c) Real battery captivity | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ENOTAVAIL | 22:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: coffcoffbme replacementcoffcoff | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | The bme replacement might be able to do it eventually, but I don't know anything about it, except that kerio seems to curse its bugs on a regular basis :) | 22:54 |
| spoofy | oh ok.. nvm I'm totally stupid today ;] | 22:54 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: it works as coded | 22:54 |
| kerio | hell, it works as intended | 22:54 |
| kerio | the bugs are in a particular detail of the intention | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | So the bug is in the spec then? :P | 22:55 |
| kerio | kinda, yeah | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | Discovered such a bug at $work yesterday.. Our intern had wired up a electrical cabinet, I was attaching datalines and sensorlines and happened to noticed miswiring that would've smoked everything if it was energized. Wasn't the intern's fault though, the bureau that did the schematics messed up | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | bugfree implementation, buggy spec :D | 22:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | Why do we even bother with this 'battery capacity' abstraction (obv. for end-users, but meh)? Is there a battery applet that shows something more concrete, like voltage being pulled at a given time? | 22:57 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Disclaimer, I have very little understanding of batteries, so I could be way off here) | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | MentalistTraceur; "pulling voltage" is meaningless gibberish :P | 22:59 |
| MentalistTraceur | K. | 22:59 |
| zl2tod | voltage pushes, current is pulled, power = volts * amps | 22:59 |
| kerio | MentalistTraceur: current being pulled, maybe | 22:59 |
| kerio | that would be neat | 22:59 |
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| ShadowJK | and energy = power * time, capacity = current * time | 23:00 |
| kerio | wait | 23:00 |
| kerio | isn't capacity charge over voltage? | 23:00 |
| MentalistTraceur | Technical terminology accuracy notwithstanding, I think the point underlying that stands? | 23:00 |
| kerio | MentalistTraceur: showing the current current isn't of much use | 23:00 |
| kerio | the screen backlight would dwarf anything else | 23:00 |
| kerio | and if the screen's off... | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | the act of observing it has more impact on the value than anything else ;) | 23:01 |
| kerio | the replacement battery applet shows the time to empty when idle | 23:01 |
| kerio | that's kinda useful | 23:01 |
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| kerio | spoofy: also what the fuck, why do you have cssu-devel enabled | 23:01 |
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| ShadowJK | :o | 23:02 |
| kerio | except that it doesn't use bq27k as the preferred source of everything :( | 23:03 |
| kerio | or, rather, the replacement hald-addon-bme doesn't use bq27k as the preferred source of everything | 23:03 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Doesn't, over time, the current decrease as battery discharges? Or voltage, or (insert proper technical term here)? So you'd still have some gauge of battery power loss? Anyway, I actually got on to ask something unrelated: freenode says to connect to chat.freenode.net, yet I always connect to irc.freenode.net. It seems to be the same, but is there a difference in terms of what servers are in ... | 23:03 |
| MentalistTraceur | ... the rotation with those two urls? | 23:03 |
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| kerio | MentalistTraceur: none | 23:04 |
| spoofy | kerio: I upgrade from cssu-devel :D I like to be on "bleeding-edge" :D | 23:04 |
| spoofy | just before "migration" stuff | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Voltage decreases with decreasing stored capacity and with varying load.. it's not linear and not that interesting for users | 23:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | Being on bleeding-edge tends to increase risk of self-induced bleeding. | 23:05 |
| MentalistTraceur | ShadowJK: I know it would vary by load as well, but I personally would still want to see that more than a vague capacity indicator. | 23:05 |
| kerio | "vague" | 23:06 |
| kerio | bq27k is precise as hell | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | MentalistTraceur; voltage is a really crap indicator | 23:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | K. I defer to your technically superior knowledge. | 23:06 |
| zl2tod | chat.freenode.net has IPv6 address 2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe | 23:06 |
| kerio | zl2tod: it's not just one | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | it's more or less "70-100", "30-70", "0-30" percent that you can get from voltage | 23:07 |
| zl2tod | only one is funny | 23:07 |
| kerio | how dare they not all use funny addresses | 23:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | Though if I ever get around to it I'll totally code something like that anyway just for fun, since I'm sure would might still consider it neat. | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | What we want is a battery meter that accurately counts charge in and out, so the meter can go from 100.0% to 0%, without making big jumps or suddenly decreasing/increasing at twice the usual rate for no reason in order to correct itself | 23:08 |
| teotwaki | When do we want it? | 23:08 |
| teotwaki | Now! | 23:08 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, I'm back to idling again. | 23:09 |
| * ShadowJK has had it in x-terminal since early 2010 | 23:09 | |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i can't figure out the code path that does the syslog log | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uh? | 23:25 |
| kerio | microb-engine | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep is your friend | 23:26 |
| kerio | it's 415MB of source | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep doesn't mind | 23:26 |
| kerio | grep syslog doesn't help | 23:26 |
| kerio | grep log gives 21k lines | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah! grep for the string that gets logged | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the constant parts of it | 23:27 |
| kerio | browserd[2232]: New e:0x60530, g:0x2f65e8, ctx:(nil) | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "New" | 23:27 |
| kerio | grepping for New is ridiculous, grepping for "New e" gives nothing | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "ctx:" | 23:27 |
| kerio | daaaaaaaaang | 23:28 |
| kerio | two lines, but nope | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even "ctx:(%" | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget about macros | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so it as well could be '"ctx"' | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even plain ctx | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "New.*ctx" | 23:30 |
| kerio | been trying all of these, nothing ._. | 23:30 |
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| spoofy | Ok. New problem. I'm trying to compile newer webkit - svn r56124 on scratchbox. I've changed the make_names.pl (like this: http://code.metager.de/source/xref/android/4.0.3/external-webkit/Source/WebCore/dom/make_names.pl) but still compilation failed. Any help? (output: http://pastebin.com/TUcn1yJ0) | 23:48 |
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| teotwaki | well fuck, I think I finally got why lcuk did whatever he did. | 23:56 |
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