IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-02-13

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merlin1991hm wondering what my upload is on hetzner so I can limit the http server to decent rates, any ideas how to test the upload (i only have this one server)00:02
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DocScrutinizeroooh FSCK! syslog [kernel] journal commit IO-error00:14
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xesIO error... bad news...00:19
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merlin1991hm time to break my system00:39
merlin1991apt-get dist-upgrade on debian testing00:39
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sixwheeledbeastwhat, 100 degrees? That can't be good long term.00:41
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kerioright now it's 4700:41
teotwakimy core duo laptop (old, 6 years) goes over a 100 every evening.00:41
keriowith max fans00:41
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teotwakigranted, I use it in bed, resting on the covers, so it must be full of dust and nicotine, and covers don't usually provide good airflow.00:42
kerio+1 -nicotine00:42
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teotwakiI'm kind of hoping it dies00:43
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teotwakiJust so I have an excuse to buy a new fancy one :)00:43
teotwakixes: fix your interwebs.00:43
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't be happy with >40 odd degrees long term.00:45
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xesteotwaki: i was testing an xchat build inside my n900... not so bad, not so good00:51
DocScrutinizerk, remount ro might help with this journal write IO error00:52
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raandoomdoes someone has jebba's kernel? from here
xesDocScrutinizer: how is going the "resurrection" of your pc?00:54
raandoomi cant download it from his site, because site is down00:54
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DocScrutinizerinstalling on new minitower I5 worked fine, now copying old $HOME ober from laptop HDD00:57
DocScrutinizermail will get harder, since kmail2 is unusable, need to install kdepim300:58
kerioDocScrutinizer: just use mutt like real men do00:59
kerioalso, give us some benchmarks!00:59
DocScrutinizertelnet and hexeditor00:59
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DocScrutinizerbenchmark of what?01:00
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xesnice! So the old one was completely dead... What have you bought? bench? hdparm!01:01
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DocScrutinizerxes: don' have my environment, user, bookmarks here yet. So probably best is you look chanlog for what I bought01:02
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DocScrutinizerold one was completely fine, except the fan not spinning01:04
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eccerr0rdarn those seized fans...01:04
DocScrutinizerfor a T500 that's a severe problem01:05
* eccerr0r had a psu fan seize, and the psu fried... luckily was repairable...01:05
xesohne os... good choice!01:06
eccerr0rI'm playing dice, I oiled the fan's bearings and replaced the cooked inductor and capacitors... someday I'll put in a new fan...01:06
DocScrutinizerI'm not watching this roulette now anymore, ETA for copy again at 1:16, I'm afk for a beer01:08
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DocScrutinizerI hope this time - since disk is mounted ro - it won't cause knotify spam my screen with 300MB worth of notfiers saying "syslog [kernel] writing journal IO error"01:10
kerioDocScrutinizer: nope01:10
keriomounting ext4 ro will still write01:11
xespsu... there is an easy way to forget that every pc requires a psu. Buy a Fsp psu (MTBF 100K hours!!)01:11
kerioyou have to mount it with either noload or nojournal, can't remember which01:11
DocScrutinizerkerio: WUT?01:11
kerioread-only is for the user side only01:11
kerioit'll still replay the journal to fix inconsistencies01:11
keriodon't complain to me, read the fine manual instead! :P01:12
DocScrutinizerwell, it didn't replay journal on mounting, I just don't want it to update atimes of 500k files01:12
kerioy u no noatime01:13
DocScrutinizersince ro should imply noatime01:13
kerioi wonder if there's a sysctl to disable atime everywhere01:13
kerioDocScrutinizer: oh, it most definetely does01:13
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DocScrutinizermeh, ~50% done01:35
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infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee01:38
xesDocScrutinizer: i wish that the disk is not a seagate. In the latest months their firmware have more bugs than bytes01:38
DocScrutinizerI don't think it is seagate,not sure though01:39
DocScrutinizersounds like seagate01:42
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DocScrutinizerModel: "TOSHIBA DT01ACA1"01:44
DocScrutinizerthe sst is the T500 disk I'm just copying from01:44 this the source of io errors??01:45
DocScrutinizerbasically yes01:45
DocScrutinizerI guess it had a large journal with all the atimes01:46
DocScrutinizernow it's mounted ro01:46
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DocScrutinizerand there's that cheap USB<->SATA adaper in between01:47
xesi have fixed most of segate disks with a firmware update... without that updates, read errors, heads "clicks" and then....not detected01:48
jacekowskithere is a way to block writes to any device on linux01:48
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DocScrutinizerdamn, EAT counting up instead down01:50
DocScrutinizer1:40 \o/01:50
xesanother warning... usb-sata adapter fix trasfer errors with some kind of crc correction ... that often fails (generating different files! )01:51
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DocScrutinizeroh fsck01:52
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DocScrutinizer1:44 MEH!01:53
DocScrutinizerTime: 1:08.51 ETA 1:50.26 (8.36 MB/s)01:58
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Skrycommenting to xes and seagates, looks like nothing has changed in few years then. I used to use seagate drives exclusively, until one day my raid-5 blew up, first one drive, and after replacement the two other died at the same time. approx 6 months lifetime. few months forward, and I lose 2 es more on a different machine.02:00
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teotwakiWaiting for mysql to reindex 30GB of data is painfully slow. Especially at 1AM. When you start work again at 8.02:01
DocScrutinizerhope you get paid for overtime02:02
teotwakiI did 30 hours of overtime this weekend alone.02:02
xesthe worst thing is that most of the firmware updates are hidden an not available to end users: btw, here you can make a try:
DocScrutinizerTime: 1:15.34 ETA 2:00.29 (7.65 MB/s) \o/02:04
teotwakihave you ever noticed02:05
teotwakiafter looking at the \o/ smiley02:05
teotwakithat lol looks like a guy holding his hands up, like he's being pointed at with a gun?02:05
teotwakiand depending on your font02:06
teotwakihe looks slightly egyptian.02:06
DocScrutinizerweird font02:06
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer: how's your C?02:07
teotwakior C++/PHP for that matter?02:08
DocScrutinizereta 2:05, this thing asymptotically approaching infinite runtime02:08
DocScrutinizerC a lil better02:08
teotwakido you know the --> operator?02:08
DocScrutinizernot really02:08
teotwakiint i = 10; while (i --> 0) printf("%d\n", i);02:08
teotwakiprints 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 002:09
DocScrutinizerI hate ambiguous poerators02:09
DocScrutinizerwhile (i-- >0) vs (i -->o)02:10
teotwakiI still find it fantastic.02:10
xesi--    is >002:10
teotwakiSome guy posted it on stackoverflow02:11
teotwakiactually made it to reddit and everything02:11
teotwakiI know how it works02:11
teotwakiI just find it beautiful.02:11
teotwakiI've spent a lot of time looking at those operators02:11
DocScrutinizerI also think it's pretty useless, since it does _not_ print 1002:13
DocScrutinizerwhile (i > 0) printf("%d\n", i--);02:14
DocScrutinizerwaaay clearer to me02:14
DocScrutinizerand does 10..1 instead 9..002:15
xesthe real point of interest is evaluate how many "forma mentis" are usual for someone and unusual for some other...the paths of our brain02:16
teotwakithere's worse02:16
DocScrutinizerc-coder sickness, always they try to find funny obfuscated code02:16
teotwakiint i = 10;02:18
teotwakiwhile (i --\02:18
teotwaki            \ // while i02:18
teotwaki             \ // goes down02:18
teotwaki              \ // towards02:18
teotwaki               \  // 002:18
teotwaki                \> 0)02:18
teotwaki    printf("%d\n", i);02:18
DocScrutinizerI sometimes am absolutely sure the coder of a particular code line must have worked 30 min to omit that one char and had an orgasm when he finally found the "solution"02:19
teotwaki(sorry for the flood)02:19
DocScrutinizerteotwaki: you seen "when CCDIs get bored"?02:20
teotwakihang on, lemme find my worst obfuscation02:20
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teotwakiThe idea was to get a job applicant to understand what the code did without the use of a compiler.02:23
teotwakiturns out not many people liked the challenge, some of them even left during the interview.02:24
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DocScrutinizerdamn, they nuked traceroute -m80
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DocScrutinizerI'd leave too02:30
DocScrutinizerit's kinda like asking for the result after 50 cycles of a arbitrary complex game_of_life setup02:34
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jacekowskiSkry: that's only your fault, everyone knows to never use same drives in raid02:35
jacekowskiSkry: every manufacturer has bugs in firmware or problems with some batches02:35
DocScrutinizerI however might keep this little gem, for testing prettyprinters02:35
teotwakijacekowski: my thoughts exactly.02:36
DocScrutinizerzl2tod: thanks :-D02:36
jacekowskii've recently hit strange bug on samsung HD204UI drives02:36
jacekowskii've had raid with 2 of those02:36
jacekowskiand both got kicked out of raid within 30s of each other02:36
jacekowskiafter 60 days of uptime02:37
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DocScrutinizerfsck! /home/jr/.local/share/akon~ata/akonadi/parttable.ibd02:40
teotwakizl2tod: shame it's down.02:41
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Skryjacekowski: yeah, true. raid5 was a bad idea too, but then again, it was used for backups of not that critical data and the budget was minimal. I still think that 6 out of 6, of mixed models, going down even with upgraded firmware, is pretty bad.02:54
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DocScrutinizerLOL...   Time: 2:09.29 ETA 1:57.53 (6.06 MB/s)02:58
zl2todteotwaki, redirects to
teotwakizl2tod: no, I meant the traceroute itself02:59
teotwaki<DocScrutinizer> damn, they nuked traceroute -m80
teotwakiindex rebuilt02:59
teotwakinow again, tell me why the fuck I, as lead software engineer, am rebuilding database indices instead of having some sysop do that in the middle of the night like they're supposed to?03:00
DocScrutinizerstill copying /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data/* crap03:01
DocScrutinizer~nuke akonadi03:01
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at akonadi ... B☢☢M!03:01
xesteotwaki: because you have the right "touch"? :)03:01
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teotwakiwell, they're going to feel my wrathy touch tomorrow morning alright.03:02
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Macerfinally figured out how to set up this damn dun on a tf10103:09
Macerstupid android and its lack of dun support03:09
Macerhad to install some app called bluevpn03:09
Maceri wonder how fast it can download heh03:09
technojabberCan not update my n90003:10
technojabberI'm trying to fix at the moment03:11
Macerwow it is slow as it can be03:12
Maceri'm topping out at 34K/s lol03:12
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technojabber I managed to update it now03:15
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technojabberHow to setup dun on on my Nokia N 90003:18
technojabberI tried to do it through this bluetooth app but it never works03:20
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technojabberVery quiet in here03:28
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SpeedEvilideally the traffic would have moved to #n95003:31
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Macertechnojabber: you have to install the support03:32
Maceri remember having to do it...and managing to get it working but i can't remember how03:32
Macerit has been quite a while03:32
Maceri usually just set up the wifi hotspot stuff03:32
SpeedEvilandroid not doing ad hoc is annoying03:33
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technojabberDoes anyone know what other phones run the memo os03:34
technojabberI mean maemo os03:35
cehtehthe n900 is the only one03:36
cehteh(except some development models maybe)03:36
technojabberWhat about the n80003:37
SpeedEvilit's not a phone03:37
SpeedEvilplus, it runs the earlier very different version03:38
technojabberI see03:38
SpeedEviland the hardware is looking very, very dated capacity wise03:38
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cehtehonly the n701 (or whats the type?) is worse :P03:39
technojabberIs it none usable03:39
robbiethe1stWell, it all depends on what you want03:39
robbiethe1stIf you're doing anything web-wise, I'd not go with anything less than the N90003:40
robbiethe1stFor an Arduino output device or something...03:40
technojabber Are they becoming redundant03:40
technojabberThe N series03:41
robbiethe1stUh, I don't understand03:41
cehtehthe N company becoming redundant :)03:41
robbiethe1stNokia... is already practically dead. MS assured us of that03:42
robbiethe1stI still use my N900 for media/ebook/light web usage/SSH(remote control), but admittedly it's getting long in the tooth. I can't find anything better, though03:42
technojabberHave no nokia a future03:43
robbiethe1stUntil they give up on Windows Phone(not likely for now), they're screwed03:43
robbiethe1st*nobody* likes Microsoft products.03:43
technojabberThe Nokia N 900 has a very cool FM transmit transmitter03:44
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robbiethe1stNot that powerful, but very cool03:44
robbiethe1stConsider, though, that you can get cheap FM transmitters that just plug into /any/ device via the audio port cheaply, so...03:45
technojabberI transmit stuff from it to my car stereo03:45
technojabberI think it has a radius of about 2 feet03:46
robbiethe1stI used to, then I replaced my stereo with a $20 amplifier off Ebay.03:46
technojabberI can even transmit internet radio03:47
robbiethe1stThe question is, why use FM, which is low-quality, when you can just use an auxilary input?03:48
cehtehits hard to override a FM station .. but when you find some free frequency and you figure out where its best to place then it can send farer away03:48
cehtehup to 5m works, 2m with good quality03:49
cehtehproblem is that the Car hifi antenna is most commonly outside03:49
technojabberMy car stereo has a USB port03:49
cehtehsometimes it works to place the n900 close to the device itself03:50
technojabberseveral ways I can input media03:50
technojabberWhen your  transmit internet radio via the n900 FM03:52
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technojabber perfectly clear03:53
technojabberBetter then DAB03:53
technojabberFM transmitter is just of the things I like about that phone03:56
technojabberAnd it air crack app03:57
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cehtehmuaha .. even ventu leaves the boat04:08
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DocScrutinizer05ok, almost business as usual again (recovery from IT breakage and new PC)05:30
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eccerr0rthe pidgin status menu plugin = power hog...07:18
LouisDKanyone that still use their N900 as main phone?07:19
eccerr0rjust started :o07:19
LouisDKeccerr0r: You just started using N900 as your main phone? :)07:25
eccerr0ryes, it replaced a broken 5230.07:25
eccerr0rgoogle makes me itchy, same as apple and M$.07:26
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LouisDKwell. Elop makes me more itchy.07:29
eccerr0rthis was before that decision,... I don't know what I want for future phones, openmoko might be the only choice.07:30
Sc0rpiusI thought the WHOLE pidgin was a power hog07:36
Sc0rpiusbut is it just the status menu applet?07:36
Sc0rpiusbecause if that's so I'm uninstalling it RIGHT NOW07:36
eccerr0rwell, it seems to eat less without the status menu.07:36
Sc0rpiusphone lasts like 4 hours to me when pidgin is loaded07:36
eccerr0runfortunately you cant use it without the core pidgin so I have to remove as much as I can..07:36
LouisDKlets hope jolla will release something nice07:37
Sc0rpiuslet's hope Jolla release something at all07:37
Sc0rpiusbut it seems Ubuntu phone will do it first07:37
Sc0rpiusI'd really love a fast phone07:38
Sc0rpiusthe N900 is so slow :( it really gets on my nerves sometimes07:38
Sc0rpiusbut there's no good replacement for it yet out there07:38
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eccerr0rI've been using a 5230, this is actually faster... but then again my celeron 500 is faster than the n90007:39
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WizardNumberNext100mbps=~11.4957439 after MAC and IP+TCP overhead08:29
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WizardNumberNextstrongly AGREE on FSP PSU - I have two. One died, other one is perfectly fine. Both used in server and most probably constantly on egde of overloading or even overloaded. The one, which died have defective capacitor - that I am sure without checking, because I know the behaviour - running fine until you connect something to it. After connection is made it dies,08:36
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iluminator105n900 camera internal error08:42
iluminator105how do i revert back to stock camera app08:42
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iluminator105how do i revert back to stock camera app09:03
andre__what isn't stock for you?09:09
andre__need to know what you did before.09:09
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Macerfind a way to put maemo on my e7 already :-P09:16
iluminator105this new camera is buggy09:17
iluminator105newer camera is buggy09:18
andre__iluminator105, what is "new" or "newer"?09:20
iluminator105camera tried to open says internal error09:22
andre__and before you did... what?09:23
andre__you said "revert back to stock camera app".09:23
andre__still no idea which camera app you use now.09:23
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iluminator105standard camera app09:44
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andre__iluminator105, standard is stock.10:04
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iluminator105thats what i meant10:05
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RST38h...Based on the D-class test subject's descriptions, the reptiles may have belonged to the genus Velociraptor. Each were dressed in a Japanese maid cosplay costume tailored to fit them...10:14
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kerioiluminator105 probably installed cssu12:21
kerioand hit some bug in nicocam12:22
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kerioeccerr0r: IM is quite battery-heavy in general12:27
keriowhen using 3g12:27
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technojabberHave to register to use #python15:21
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teotwakitechnojabber: and?16:12
teotwakitechnojabber: then register16:12
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DocScrutinizer05after all that's what nickserv is made for16:17
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DocScrutinizer05technojabber: /msg nickserv help register16:19
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tommisis the repo still down?18:46
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abissomtommis: /topic18:49
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DocScrutinizer05yay, quiet earth?19:25
infobotDocScrutinizer05: aw, gee19:25
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eccerr0rsomewhat disappointed in power consumption, I had an IM client running on my symbian 5230, it didn't eat batteries as much.  However running ssh on the 5230 kills the battery...19:42
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eccerr0rwas running symbian-putty, leaving a ssh client idle would kill the battery in hours.19:42
eccerr0rI haven't tested openssh on the n900 though, and see how much it would kill the battery...19:43
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Guest53525any body help me to under stand mirc19:46
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Guest53525hello chenca19:46
Guest53525can u help m eto under stand it19:47
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teotwakieccerr0r: are you seriously comparing an IM client to an SSH server?19:58
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eccerr0rssh client vs im client, why not?20:01
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eccerr0rOne option for me for IM is to ssh into a machine and access its text mode IM client...  the question is, which is less power.  ideally when ssh isn't receiving or transmitting it shouldn't be any different than an idle IM client.20:04
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keriossh, too, has keepalives20:04
keriothey're probably much cheaper20:04
keriobut the issue is the beginning of transfer20:05
eccerr0rconnection negotiation?20:05
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eccerr0rthe only *possible* reason for why ssh eats more power is that it uses CPU to encrypt.  but if IM is also encrypting, then that's ruled out.  And it shouldn't account for 10x more power.  running IM on the 5230 doesn't make the phone warm at all...20:09
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eccerr0rsymbian putty... oh my... as bad as google maps20:09
Sc0rpiuseccerr0r, when you talk about IM are you talking about pidgin?20:10
eccerr0rpidgin client, or any text-IM client.20:10
Sc0rpiusbecause since pidgin was compiled for the N900 they didn't take any measure to be a mobile IM20:10
Sc0rpiusbut the native Conversation IM is different20:10
Sc0rpiuspidgin pings way too much the servers that's why it drains your battery20:10
Sc0rpiusnobody has ever took a look at pidgin and modify it to be a mobile application20:11
Sc0rpiusit's a desktop application running in your phone, it's destined to fail20:11
eccerr0rare all symbian apps programmed correctly by design?20:11
Sc0rpiuswell not all but at least they were programmed FOR a mobile20:11
Sc0rpiuspidgin was never programmed for mobile20:12
eccerr0rI can't say it should be a 10x difference though.20:12
Sc0rpiusconfigure one account (GTalk) in your Conversations20:12
eccerr0rthen again I have not done power comparision between pidgin and ssh...20:12
Sc0rpiusand then spend a day with that logged in with no pidgin20:12
Sc0rpiusand then another day with pidgin logged and Conversations logged off20:12
Sc0rpiusyou'll see what I mean.20:12
Sc0rpiusif you have an idle SSH session you'll see no battery drain20:13
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Sc0rpiusbut open an SSH session and make it run an ls -alR / every second20:13
Sc0rpiusyour battery will last 20 minutes20:13
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eccerr0rright, I was hoping for idle... but idle putty on symbian eats batteries like mad.  call that a crappy mobile app?20:14
Sc0rpiuspidgin doesn't idle AT ALL20:15
Sc0rpius(that was my point before)20:15
Sc0rpiusit pings the servers all the time and retrieves information of users logging on and off, it's really for desktops.20:15
eccerr0rwell it needs to do that even for a mobile app.20:15
Sc0rpiusmaybe they port putty to Symbian20:16
Sc0rpiusthat's a mistake20:16
Sc0rpiusyou have to create an SSH client from scratch, coding for a mobile phone is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than coding for desktops20:16
Sc0rpiuspeople always forget that20:16
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eccerr0rnah not at all20:16
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eccerr0ryou do have to be careful, that's for sure20:16
eccerr0rthe thing is, all mobile apps will run just fine on a desktop20:16
Sc0rpiussometimes you have to sacrifice good code in order to get speed and save battery20:16
eccerr0rso they cannot be different.20:16
Sc0rpius(that means sometimes you have to do BAD things and BAD coding to make it better)20:17
Sc0rpiusfor example20:17
kerioSc0rpius: to be fair, desktop apps should also try to reduce load as much as possible20:18
Sc0rpiusyeah but nobody does that since desktops are so powerful they don't notice that IO was 0.000002 usecs slower than it should be20:18
Sc0rpiuscoding Yappari have made me realize how BAD A PHONE the N900 is20:19
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Sc0rpiuswriting a line in a file: 5 minutes less of battery20:19
Sc0rpiussending something through the network: 2 minutes less of battery20:19
Sc0rpiusand it's very hard to keep everything in memory and touch the disk and network only when it's extremely necessary20:20
Sc0rpiusand then it really pisses me off that an iPhone lasts a week with 3G on 24 hours every day.20:20
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eccerr0rthere's no question that the n900 is older and hungrier than other phones but I hope you're not asking for a better phone so you can program more sloppily.20:23
Sc0rpiusyou clearly haven't code anything for the N900 :)20:23
eccerr0rnah, but I've developed hardware and have to worry about its power consumption.20:24
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Sc0rpiusI would loved a more balanced phone20:24
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Sc0rpiusthat you can do basic IO without sacrificing battery that much20:24
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Sc0rpiusincluding network20:24
ShadowJKmy spare N900 lasts over week on 3g  :)20:24
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Sc0rpiusmy N900 doesn't last 4 hours in 3G20:24
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Sc0rpiusand I don't think my battery is bad or something20:25
eccerr0rI'm using my 2-year old plus 5230 battery in my n900.20:25
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kerioSc0rpius: can't you use push notifications?20:26
kerioalso, my n900 lasts a lot more than 4 hours in 3g, when idlish20:26
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ShadowJK4 hours is about the time you'd get with constant data transfer in medium-poor signal conditions20:27
Sc0rpiusI know that every tuesday and thursday20:27
Sc0rpiusI connect my N900 religiously at 2 pm20:28
ShadowJKor high rate of transfer in good signal conditions20:28
Sc0rpiusand at 5:30 pm it turns off, battery dead20:28
Sc0rpiuswith just pidgin and Yappari connected (and modest)20:28
Sc0rpiusif I disconnect pidgin it last like 1 more hour20:28
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ShadowJKI don't know what those softwares do, but if they do a constant frequent small packets of data, instead of occasional databurst, then they'll get approximately same battery life as the declared wcdma talk time20:32
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ShadowJKJust how 3g works20:32
ShadowJKjoining half a dozen very active irc channels in xchat has the same effect :)20:33
ShadowJKThough if you use a bouncer that sends you scrollback when you connect, and do discon on screen blank and recon on screen activate, battery use is reduced to slightly more than that of just the screen on its own, and battery draw starts depending more on how often and long screen is on..20:35
ShadowJKdespite amount of transfered bytes being almost identical in either case20:35
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kerioSc0rpius: pidgin or the weird n900 im thing?20:46
kerioShadowJK: i suppose that burst transfers are much, much better than a constant slow throughput thing?20:46
Sc0rpiuspidgin, I don't use Conversations as an IM20:46
ShadowJKkerio; yes20:46
kerioSc0rpius: well then you only have yourself to blame20:47
ShadowJKkerio; basically any data packet, however small, sent or received, keeps 3g transmitting for a minimum period of time defined by the operator. My operator has 5s20:47
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kerioShadowJK: otoh, you'd lose the I part of IM20:48
ShadowJKso if I'm in irc on 3g, and someone types something or something happens (join/part, etc) in any channel every 5s, it's equivalent to being on a call constantly, in terms of powerdraw20:48
kerioShadowJK: so the solution is to stay in channels that are constantly active20:49
kerioso at least you have a good reason for the power draw :D20:49
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qwazixShadowJK, any non-hackish way to accomplish disconnection on blanking?20:49
ShadowJKkerio; when I get excessive spare time I'm going to modify bouncer to queue messages at my server when N900 screen is off, except for PMs and highlights :)20:49
kerioShadowJK: you mean, stop sending messages except when some PM or highlight happens on /SCREENOFF and start again on /SCREENON20:51
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ShadowJKor when a set number of queued bytes is reached. xchat is kinda slow at eating multimegabyte bursts20:51
keriowrite a znc plugin20:52
kerioyou'll make DocScrutinizer happy20:52
ShadowJKOh also, this 3g behaviour approximately also means that for the same power you stream a single song, you can download 10 songs20:52
keriowell, not really20:53
kerioit depends on how much you buffer20:53
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keriobuffer the whole song, like grooveshark does, and it's equal to the download of one song20:53
ShadowJKstreaming servers themselves seem to always have too small buffers20:53
ShadowJKlike they don't have data they can send20:54
kerioshoutcast is teh fail, indeed20:54
* ShadowJK was planning to make a time-delay on his server for the radio channels he'd want to stream, so I'd get a megabyte burst immediately, and then no data until N900 had 100k left, followed by a burst20:55
ShadowJKwhen I get excessive spare time...20:55
keriowhy would 100k be a lot of data?20:55
keriomake it a lot bigger20:55
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ShadowJKN900 side buffer would drain until 100k was left, margin because there's latency in getting 3g data transfer active from idle, etc.. it would then be refilled to 1M, data transfer would stop20:59
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eccerr0rhow are repository hash sum mismatches handled on r.m.o?22:57
eccerr0rand what sucks is that for some reason I get a gateway timeout while downloading's extra-devel packages file23:01
eccerr0r(whereas r.m.o downloads fine)23:01
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teotwakiEstel_: full disclosure, not talking behind your back:
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DocScrutinizer05I annouce I suspend my work with maemo administration23:44
DocScrutinizer05since HiFo (Robert Bauer has NFC how real life can work)23:44
DocScrutinizer05wtf this guy is thinking I'm doing the whole day when finally I follow his weird ideas of management? forwarding mails to him and forwarding his answers to somebody else who asked?23:47
Sc0rpiusbasically they named you administrator manager but you can't manage adminstrators (aka "hiring" them)23:47
Sc0rpiusso all the administration work has to be done by yourself even if you have no time for it23:47
Sc0rpiusand if you think you need help, only the Board will decide if you really need it.23:47
Sc0rpiusand they always will say no23:48
Sc0rpiusno surprises here.23:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, either that or I simply do nothing, which is what I'm going to do right now23:48
DocScrutinizer05so you can call this the day maemo died23:48
teotwakiDocScrutinizer: oy, get off that horse.23:50
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kerioteotwaki: the day died?23:50
teotwaki"I quit. From now on, we shall call this day, 'The day Maemo died'"23:50
DocScrutinizer05well, see what gets done when HiFo is managing *everything*23:51
keriowell, unless warfare is taking care of that, this is certainly the day * dies, because of the firewall23:51
DocScrutinizer05we have exactly 2 more weeks, and then Nemein will probably shut down the servers23:51
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you don't understand what's going on. Warfare MUSTN'T take care of anything, since he's not appointed by HiFo for doing that23:52
Sc0rpiuslet Maemo die23:52
keriowhy does he have root, then?23:53
DocScrutinizer05because I did stuff I also wasn't allowed to do23:53
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kerioclearly you should've asked the board23:53
kerioi mean, they've been so proactive23:53
kerioseriously though, what the fuck23:54
kerioaren't they maemo fanboys too?23:54
keriodon't they want things to work?23:54
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teotwakikerio: oh, don't you jest23:54
teotwakikerio: power and bureaucracy will destroy a lot of ethics and love.23:55
teotwakiNo matter how much someone loves a project, a product or a company.23:55
DocScrutinizer05no, Robert is another one who claims to do all in interest of maemo, but actually kills it by his misconceived notion about how stuff works23:55
teotwakiPut them in charge, and that love will disappear in an instant.23:55
Sc0rpiusI think he just want you out of the picture23:56
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DocScrutinizer05well, just he's discarding the picture instead of me23:56
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keriostill works!23:56
keriodoes he realize that he's doing that, though?23:57
n900-dkHow can we make HiFo approve warfare asap?23:57
teotwakiGive me his address, I'll bring the pliers.23:57
teotwakiI'm going to say, 3 nails, and he signs the approval.23:58
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merlin1991teotwaki: hm based on "Put them in charge, and that love will disappear in an instant." I have to be the dictator of cssu :D23:58
teotwakimerlin1991: oh, you definitely are, you 21 year old kid.23:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: old picture and new picture:
teotwakicrap, people born in the 90s are in their 20s already?23:59
kerioteotwaki: he's the dictator of half of cssu!23:59
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: warfare is approved as sysop, but not as admin manager, and even if he were he couldn't create an account for merlin to get repo hashsum fixed until HiFo approves merlin1991 during their next meeting which maybe is sheduled for mid of March23:59

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