IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-02-05

WizardNumberNextother HDDs behave normaly and are faster with NFS, this one is unuable with NFS and very fast with SAMBA (but still slower, then slowest on NFS)00:01
WizardNumberNextPali ping00:02
PaliWizardNumberNext, pong00:02
WizardNumberNextPali: could you enlighten me and give cmdline for 3.8rc3?00:03
Palifor what?00:03
WizardNumberNextI would like to see it, but cannot find cmdline for it in backlogs00:03
WizardNumberNextkernel - 3.8rc300:03
WizardNumberNextit is one of yours00:03
Paliand which cmdline?00:03
Palifor SD card?00:04
Palifor ubi?00:04
teotwakiM4rtinK: the problem with those massive multiproc systems is that you need to run something on it that can actually utilise it00:04
WizardNumberNextfor rescue - from same place00:04
WizardNumberNextinitrd from your server00:04
FIQanyone which uses maemo's xchat that know if you can avoid the horrible white background under channels and nicks (assuming it doesn't fit the screen) without using the system font?00:04
teotwakiM4rtinK: as far as I can tell, most schedulers start choking when you have more than 20 concurrent threads.00:04
Palisame as for rescue os00:04
infoboti heard rescue-os is
gryI use Maemo's Quassel.00:04
kerioteotwaki: fold *all* the homes _ò/00:04
FIQlike.. making it black instea00:04
gryIt's not scriptable, but a good client.00:04
M4rtinKteotwaki: yeah, it was quite a challenge00:04
Pali^^ rootdelay root=/dev/ram000:05
teotwakiThe other issue is uptime00:05
teotwaki 23:37:53 up 500 days,  9:16,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.10, 1.0700:06
M4rtinKas the Monav preprocessor runs only part of the computation in threads, the single-threaded overhead would make it slower00:06
AoyagiHave you seen any N900s for sale around here?00:06
WizardNumberNextPali are all needed modules for maemo in initrd?00:06
teotwakiPali: I just wanted to highlight your nick, as everyone else is doing it00:06
kerioPali: hi!00:06
M4rtinKsolution: cascading download->compute->compress->publish built with Python multiprocessing :)00:06
teotwakiM4rtinK: have you had a look at 0mq?00:07
PaliWizardNumberNext, in which initrd?00:07
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kerioM4rtinK: logic would dictate that you first get something to do with 48 cpus, and then you get the machine to run it00:07
PaliAoyagi, where?00:07
teotwakikerio: that's not how universities work.00:07
M4rtinKfor anyone interested: :)00:07
WizardNumberNextPali: this one:
Palithat is old00:08
Palimodules in that initrd are old00:08
AoyagiPali: In the reeking town you happen to study in, according to that site.00:08
PaliWizardNumberNext, compile kernel yourself00:08
WizardNumberNextso where are new ones and matching kernel?00:08
Paliand put them into initrd00:08
M4rtinKkerio: I asked the lab guys if they have some hardware I can use to host a Monav data repository for modRana00:08
M4rtinKand they were so kind to give me access to one of the compute servers00:09
WizardNumberNextI would do that, when I would compile my cross-compiler00:09
PaliAoyagi, I do not know about any shop in SK/CZ which has n90000:09
AoyagiPali: Yeah, that's what I found out too.00:09
teotwakiM4rtinK: nice, and impressive.00:10
AoyagiExcept some used stuff, that has displays in poor condition. Or some other intolerable faults...00:10
M4rtinKteotwaki: thanks ! :) btw, mq0 also looks interesting00:10
PaliAoyagi, you can watch this site
M4rtinKprobably a bit overkill for what I'm doing though :)00:10
M4rtinKan improved Monav preprocessor would probably help more00:11
teotwakiM4rtinK: Most of our 100 servers or so are either quad or octo cores, half of that runs xens with on average 30 VMs each. The other half of the servers run native distribs with RT kernels and handle roughly between 4 and 12 always-on processes.00:11
AoyagiPali: I did, then I found out has it, but it was some kind of "mistake" on their part.00:12
M4rtinKteotwaki: impressive00:12
PaliM4rtinK, do you know if it is possible to buy new n900?00:12
teotwakinew ones?00:12
Paliyes new00:13
AoyagiNot necessarily new one. :D00:13
M4rtinKteotwaki: I'm not really sure how many machines we have, but the one I'm using is the 4th one00:13
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teotwakiM4rtinK: to be honest, I'm just repeating numbers. I build the solutions the runs on that hardware, I have no clue :P00:13
M4rtinKour lab does Natural Language Processing (<advertisement></advertisement>), so probably many :)00:14
M4rtinKPali: I'll check00:14
teotwakiM4rtinK: that's pretty sweet00:15
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M4rtinKPali: check this:
M4rtinKtwo even report "in stock"00:15
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teotwakiyeah, cuz that really looks like an N90000:16
AoyagiI bet those are Lumias00:16
merlin1991bah, can't even check my assumptions re repo becaues it limits my dl to err nothing, yay00:16
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WizardNumberNextPali: I almost died...00:16
AoyagiAh, it's actually N900:16
WizardNumberNextI tried it and after few minutes N900 simply died and didn't want to turn on.00:17
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WizardNumberNextstrangly battery was reason00:17
M4rtinKPali: also
PaliWizardNumberNext, that is old version without battery charging00:17
Paliin kernel00:18
PaliAoyagi, see ^^^00:18
Aoyagi"na dotaz" :/00:18
WizardNumberNextI know that, but after rawly 3 hours of being on USB it should be (almost?) fully charged00:18
AoyagiAs far as I know, it means "ask and we'll tell you it will never be here" :D00:18
AoyagiI'll just have to find a good looking used one.00:19
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PaliAoyagi, you can buy from amazon00:19
WizardNumberNextAoyagi: I do not actually trust that, but some seller from HK on eBay have some "brand new"00:20
M4rtinKAoyagi: yeah, you never know in those small shops00:20
warfaremerlin1991: We hopefully get more bandwidth tomorrow.00:20
AoyagiWell, I guess asking in the UK couldn't hurt.00:20
M4rtinKthey might not be even operating anymore00:20
M4rtinKother times they work just fine00:21
WizardNumberNextnever have seen any new in UK00:21
WizardNumberNextespecially in London00:21
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merlin1991warfare: you could also verify that for me on the server, I'd need md5 hashes of all files withint dist/fremantle-1.3/free from extras and extras-devel00:21
merlin1991the other way is to dl them and make hashes locally .)00:21
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WizardNumberNextABSOLUTE RECORD: 3125mV and it is alife!00:22
WizardNumberNextnever have seen it so low!00:22
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M4rtinKso older packages seem to be unaffected by the hash mismatch error:00:28
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M4rtinKBTW: Fetched 5224B in 25min19s (3B/s) ??? :D00:28
merlin1991warfare: it's funky, a few lines in the Release file have the right checksums00:29
merlin1991but most are wrong00:29
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merlin1991hm wait00:31
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kerioWizardNumberNext: you can get as low as 2800, but shit starts malfunctioning at that point00:34
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WizardNumberNextI never got below 3200mV and suddenly 3125mV00:35
merlin1991warfare: the md5sums on the indexes seem to be right00:35
merlin1991(at least on the relevant arm ones)00:36
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merlin1991now I wonder why we get hashsum missmatches with apt00:36
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merlin1991warfare: some reindex of the repo / import / whatever must have run, because the Release files fits with the package indexes, but it does not on my mirror, so somewhere between the 26th Dez and now it got fixed again00:41
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keriomerlin1991: do Packages and Packages.gz match?00:45
merlin1991kerio: I didn't download the files because they interupt00:45
merlin1991I only said that the hashes on those now fit with the Release file (they didn't some time ago)00:45
kerioi see00:46
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keriowell, updating works, it's some packages that report a hash mismatch00:46
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merlin1991well with my mirror even updating fails00:53
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* WizardNumberNext should call himself SharkNumberNext01:12
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SharkNumberNextwhat do you think about communi? is irggu better or worse? Why?01:21
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: sorry, I'm completely lost on what you're suggesting resp planning to do about that hashsum stuff01:22
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: the hashsums on the index files seem to be okay, the only thing left is to check the actual Package indexes against the .debs in the pool directory01:25
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-04 22:17:26] <WizardNumberNext> n900-dk: are you trying to use rmo?01:25
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-04 22:18:17] <n900-dk> yeah, it downloads but gives 'Hash Sum mismatch'01:26
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-04 22:19:24] <M4rtinK> n900-dk: I'm also getting hash mismatch01:26
M4rtinKreally seems to affect only recent packages01:27
SharkNumberNextI never got so far as mismatched sum - never actually been able to pull Packages.gz01:27
SharkNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: you scared me using my N90001:27
SharkNumberNextI've put WizardNumberNext (vibra again) on N900 on communi01:28
SharkNumberNextI am growing 2nd set of pernament teeths, so I should be called SharkNumberNext, then01:29
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DocScrutinizer05I hope that's not meant to make sense to me01:29
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SharkNumberNextit doesn't make any sense to me either, but I just pulled one of my pernament teeth and there's another pernament replecement just behind it - looks like my jaw want to become jaw of shark01:31
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: i'd be more interested in the hashsum-error_for_dummies 101, about which server has and which hasn't errors, and maybe then we can think about the why01:32
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: I'm still working on the where bit01:32
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merlin1991hence my remark about comparing Package indexes to .deb files01:33
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DocScrutinizer05yeah fine01:33
DocScrutinizer05still doesn't tell me which of our 3 mirrors has errors now and which hasn't01:33
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merlin1991okay 101 sttyle01:34
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merlin1991r.m.o has clean distributions files, but I don't know if the hash sums for the .debs are right, my mirror even has foobar distribution files, and no idea about skeiron01:35
DocScrutinizer05obviously rmo has errors as well01:35
merlin1991also the distribution files on r.m.o are newer than on my mirror01:35
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Skryi think i got some errors from skeiron few days ago01:36
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DocScrutinizer05so nobody ever systematically checked which repo/mirror has which problems?01:38
DocScrutinizer05since 4 weeks?01:38
merlin1991well since the base was corrupted all mirrors have some problems01:39
DocScrutinizer05e.g. by trying to install an old and a more recent package from all 4 possible sources01:39
merlin1991r.m.o is the canonical sync point and it has to be fixed first01:39
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teotwakiactually, it should all be fixed01:40
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: we got the mirrors for backup reasons, so when r.m.o breaks or has other problems, we can resort to a working mirror01:40
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teotwakiif your backups aren't backups, there's no point in using them01:41
teotwakijust shut down the whole infrastructure, figure it out, set it back up.01:41
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: if the canonical sync point goes bad before you notice your backup goes bad01:41
merlin1991and all our backups are in a semi bad state01:41
merlin1991so we have to fix r.m.o and then resync to a sane state01:41
DocScrutinizer05says who?01:41
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chem|stpeople doing backups01:42
teotwakiso people are backuping the backups of the backup01:42
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: says me01:42
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-05 00:35:06] <merlin1991> r.m.o has clean distributions files, but I don't know if the hash sums for the .debs are right, my mirror even has foobar distribution files, and no idea about skeiron01:42
teotwakiDid you guys read Dr Seuss perchance?01:42
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: and what exactly does that say?01:42
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merlin1991<merlin1991> also the distribution files on r.m.o are newer than on my mirror01:42
teotwakiThe backupers backup the backup. But the backup backupers were also backed up by the backed up backup backupers.01:43
merlin1991r.m.o cchanged to the better since dez 29 which is the last valid sync on my server01:43
merlin1991but since apt-mirror only runs wget without any postup checks my mirror which has the state from 29th dez is full on corrupted01:43
merlin1991and since there is no versioning or anything I can't roll back to a sane point01:44
merlin1991hence my fix r.m.o resync01:44
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: ^01:45
chem|stbecause of missing incremental-rsync01:45
merlin1991chem|st: well that would have been helpfull :)01:46
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: how do I update a factoid?01:46
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merlin1991gotta remove my server from the list because it is full on foobar01:47
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merlin1991kerio: ping01:47
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SharkNumberNextwell, looks like we need something more, then simple apt-mirror02:00
SharkNumberNextmaybe something like my backup script, but we would un-backup script for it as well, which doesn't exists yet02:01
SharkNumberNextactually using my backup script, you can still use apt-mirror, but in case of problems it tedious date-time removing from filename (in backup)02:03
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merlin1991in any case r.m.o needs a sanity check02:05
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merlin1991but at least the Release file seems to be in order (again)02:05
SharkNumberNextyou can have a look on my simple backup script02:06
SharkNumberNextit is most reasonable version up to date02:07
ketasoww, i now just found out that this n900 has no metal holder in microsd socket02:07
SharkNumberNextketas: not too nice02:08
ketasdoesn't seem like anything is broken...02:09
ketashow to get one off anyway02:10
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ketasi wonder where to find replacement02:10
WizardNumberNextmaybe eBay but, I didn't see any till something like 25GBP02:11
ketaswell, unless you want to tape card there02:12
ketassounds shitty solution02:12
WizardNumberNextvery damn shitty02:12
ketasintermittent connection fun02:12
WizardNumberNextbut actually not uch bad02:13
WizardNumberNextusing some sponge-like substance and tape would solve problem02:14
ketasthis sd holder must be sold in some catalogue i hope02:14
WizardNumberNextsmall chunk of foam below contact and wrap everything with tape - voila - should work02:14
WizardNumberNextmaybe nokia have it02:15
ketasmaybe nokia service has busted pcb?02:15
WizardNumberNextlet me take a look on service manuals - maybe I would find it02:15
ketasbit old phone, though02:15
WizardNumberNextthey have PCBs as well - I am quite sure about that02:15
ketashowever i'm sure such holder is actually used in other pcb's somewhere02:16
ketaswhere one could try getting slider off02:17
ketashow does one get it off anyway02:17
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WizardNumberNextX5210 in Nokia02:17
WizardNumberNextat least looks like02:18
WizardNumberNextI got it of on SIM and SD accidentially, but it is easy to do it both ways02:19
WizardNumberNextputting it back isn't hard either02:19
ketasi wonder if previous owner still has it02:19
Palimerlin1991, please test clock-ui on your n900 (we need to test on thumb and non thumb versions too)02:19
ketasit was year ago...02:19
WizardNumberNextyes, in rubbish omewhere02:19
Palithere is very very ugly hack for time cp dialog02:20
ketasand why he took it off and never put it back?02:20
Palibecase that cp plugin is closed and execute function needs some parent gtkwidget02:20
WizardNumberNextmaybe it was accident and it got wings on its way to ground02:20
merlin1991Pali: should I compile it, or do you have a specific binary in mind?02:21
Paliand because it is qt application we do not have gtk top level widget02:21
Palimerlin1991, better compile02:21
Paliwe need to be sure that it is working fine02:21
merlin1991k, will do that tomorrow then, gonna head to bed soon02:21
PaliI have binary from madde02:21
* WizardNumberNext wonders why Nokia have mixed gtk and qt in OS with not so much RAM02:21
Paliand this non thumb binary working fine on cssu-thumb02:22
PaliWizardNumberNext, nokia did not mixed it02:22
Palinokia used only gtk for all applications02:22
Pali3rd developers used qt02:22
WizardNumberNextso why other people did it?02:23
Palido not ask me why02:23
WizardNumberNextwhile gtk is good enough02:23
WizardNumberNextit does the job for me02:23
PaliWizardNumberNext, I think that because 3rd devs developed also for symbian or harmattan02:23
WizardNumberNextactually not on PC - never liked anything GTK based there02:23
Paliand Qt is on all 3 platforms02:23
WizardNumberNextyou might be right02:24
ketasbut why is that qt applications are much harder to run than gtk02:24
Paliand you have button for "compile for XYZ" in QT creator02:24
ketasnever tried to write anything in gtk or qt02:24
WizardNumberNextbecause QT eats more resources?02:24
Paliketas, which app? that clock-ui?02:24
ketasnah, in general, and in pc i meant02:25
Palibecause qt is c++, gtk is c02:26
WizardNumberNextGTK is believed to be ligher, but I am not in subject recently, so it could have changed in those several years spend on Debian+KDE02:26
ketaswhy do i feel that i don't fit into this world?02:26
Palisee specification of c++ and what is there and then see c02:26
WizardNumberNextPali: which explains why QT is more resource-hungry as well02:26
Paliyes, right02:26
WizardNumberNextPali: you can extend both, but starting is much harder on plain C, then plain C++02:27
WizardNumberNexts/starting/starting to extend/02:27
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: Pali: you can extend both, but starting to extend is much harder on plain C, then plain C++02:27
Palieach qt class has table for virtual functions02:27
Paliyou have no control for that02:28
WizardNumberNextat least it runs and looks modern-enough02:28
ketas"I saw C++ coming and read the book - or at least tried to read the book - there's a dent in the wall behind my piano, where the book hit the wall - Improvements to C should make things easier not more complicated, I thought."02:28
Paliin gtk (c) you need to write table yourself (if using inherits functions)02:28
WizardNumberNextGNOME/GTK in my times looked realy crappy02:29
Palibut more my apps/plugins in maemo did not use that02:29
WizardNumberNextPali: I really don't know what is better: C or C++ - it might be matter of preference02:30
WizardNumberNextnever wrote anything in C++02:30
ketas( from )02:30
WizardNumberNextalways C, but to simple progs to be proud and priase myself02:30
WizardNumberNextnever tried erlang02:31
ketas was also related funny reading02:31
M4rtinKWizardNumberNext: easy -> Python :)02:37
M4rtinKbut yeah, probably not for the GUI libraries themselves though :)02:37
WizardNumberNextPython should be my favourite as it similar to C and can be both ompiled and run  like script02:38
ketaspython is too weird for one with c-like background02:38
WizardNumberNextI can swollow anything what is reasonable and have some good base02:38
WizardNumberNextI think about learning ADA for fun02:38
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M4rtinKWizardNumberNext: well, IIRC it is not that easy to just compile it :)02:38
Palibetter perl02:38
WizardNumberNextbut this one is quite good lanuage02:38
M4rtinKlike the whole program02:39
* ketas pats Pali 02:39
ketasperl for phones02:39
WizardNumberNextnothing is just easy - you are capable of doing it or not, then you can learn it or never try02:39
Paliyou have both gtk and qt bindings in perl02:39
M4rtinKbut you you can use a limited syntax for performance critical stuff (was it Cython ?) and compile that02:40
WizardNumberNexttrying to learn isn't enough - my friend is doing just that for last 3 years - no efects02:40
M4rtinKor just runn the Python code ass a fallback02:40
WizardNumberNextI asked him to write program, which would find 1Mi prime numbers - he never got back to me with it02:40
M4rtinKand writing C extensions should be also quite easy (that's basically what the Python stdlib is based on)02:41
M4rtinKbindings are an important aspect when choosing a programming language02:42
M4rtinKwhen you wan't to write a graphical application, you choices are actually quite limited...02:42
WizardNumberNextI never was interested in graphical apps02:42
WizardNumberNextwhat I do is simply make my life more efficient02:43
M4rtinKthen your choice is much less restricted :)02:43
M4rtinKso do I02:43
WizardNumberNextinstead of spending years on simple task, I spend 4 hours on complicated task and 40 minutes on even more complicated task and have results just in few minutes02:44
M4rtinKbut some things just kinda require a GUI to use (navigation system, manga/comic book reader, rephotography app)...02:44
M4rtinKan ascii based ones would be also kinda cool though :)02:45
WizardNumberNextlike it was with my first prime finding prog - 4h for writinig it, next hour for finding it is extremaly slow, 40m for optimalization and slightly over 10m for 1Mi prime numbers02:45
WizardNumberNextit is shame it is lost with my first HDD02:46
WizardNumberNextoh, it was on 40GB, so second02:47
WizardNumberNextmaybe I would be able to recover it from it, but it might impossible after running proxy on same HDD02:47
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* WizardNumberNext needs to move to Xen and 149GiB HDD on server02:49
M4rtinKtime to go :)02:52
M4rtinKbye :)02:52
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WizardNumberNextsee yea M4rtinK02:57
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mad_devi am getting a hash sum mismatch. what should i do?03:17
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merlin1991please report on which package you try to install and which repos you have enabled03:21
mad_devreport where?03:21
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Estel_Aoyagi_joytop,  you want to buy n900?04:02
Estel_I have 3 for sale atm, with varying condition04:03
Estel_tell me your budget and I'll tell you what you can buy for that04:03
Estel_all have reinforced usb port, mind you04:03
Estel_as for repos - so, tmo reports are not only working slow, but they're also giving files with wrong hash, due to some fckup?04:04
Estel_which means that everyone downloading smth will start another download, as soon as he finished last one...04:04
Estel_thus, load on rmo never ends, as everyone is downloading faulty files and redownloading them again, and again, and...04:04
damo22Estel_: the stable repo doesnt have the hash problem afaict04:05
Estel_who uses stable repo?04:05
Estel_even completely non-power, not to say "dumb" users have devel enabled, most of the time - by dumb I mean ones that doesn't know a shit about maemo internals, never been on irc or tmo or...04:05
Estel_well, you're minority ;)04:05
Estel_the problem is that load from "dumb" users will never end, as their devices will try to redownload faulty files infinitely04:06
damo22that sucks04:06
damo22maybe the repo will get hammered04:06
Estel_I'm quite surprised no one thought already, that those fckd files with wrong hash'es are having their share in repos being hammered to death04:07
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iluminator105where does maemo default browser save to06:24
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Aoyagi_joytopIs there a list of original keyboard layouts for N900 somewhere?10:11
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gryhi, xes10:19
warfarehi xes, gry :)10:24
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kerioEstel_: i thought it already10:42
kerioit's not a problem10:42
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kerioyou can update fine from rmo10:43
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keriois there any major problem with increasing /tmp's size?11:38
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DocScrutinizer05uplink upgraded threefold bandwidth11:41
fluxso 75Mbit/s now?11:41
DocScrutinizer05peak:   80.6Mb                                                                                        rates:   77.7Mb  79.3Mb  79.2Mb11:42
kerioare we filling it, then? :s11:42
DocScrutinizer05still hitting the ceiling11:43
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: what is using it?11:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: mirroring or legit users?11:54
DocScrutinizer05we're ruthlessly throttling mirroring ATM11:55
keriostill the ukraine and polish dudes?11:55
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jacekowskii've got complete mirror11:55
DocScrutinizer05we count connections/GETs per IP, and throttle down the top ten of those who don't use maemo-APT11:55
jacekowskiyou can redirect all that don't use maemo-APT to my mirror11:56
jacekowskiother clients should accept redirects11:56
jacekowskiand everyone will be happy11:56
kerioyay redirects :D11:56
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: how many unique users?11:57
DocScrutinizer05so once a mirror hit a certain number of files it tried to wget, it will share 75kBps with the other top ten11:57
keriojacekowski: why your server and not coralcdn?11:57
jacekowskiwell, that's an option11:58
jacekowskii've never used coral so i've got no idea how it works exactly11:58
kerioand it caches stuff11:58
jacekowskiis it clever enough to update stuff11:59
DocScrutinizer05for now mirroring is rather pointless anyway, since nothing should have changed since over a month (autobuilder down), and r.m.o got that nasty hashsum problem anyway, so mirrors rather stay with what they already have. Odds are that's not worse or even "better" than what's on r.m.o right now11:59
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keriojacekowski: checks at most once per 5 minutes, and caches for 12 hours if you don't tell it to cache more11:59
kerioor less12:00
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: indeed the last viable rmo snapshot was iirc that of 26/12/12; everything after that will screw up with hashsums mismatch12:00
jacekowskilook at traffic spike in january12:00
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: yo da man. Finally useful details regarding that annoyance12:00
jacekowski700GB in january compared to 96 month earlier12:00
keriojacekowski: ty :312:01
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: what's date of skeiron backup?12:01
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: that's the date :) hence why skeiron in most cases gives no hashsum mismatches12:02
DocScrutinizer05AHAAAA :-D12:02
DocScrutinizer05and pretty please stop brkn fron running a sync! :-D12:02
thedead1440hehe will do :D12:02
Lava_CroftAnyone here hate on Secure Boot and owns a Chromebook?12:03
thedead1440skeiron won't hammer rmo anyway due to the hashsum problems; all he will sync with is (if any) nokia servers for anything that's up12:03
jacekowskithere is nothing wrong with secure boot12:03
jacekowskiother than the implementation itself12:03
jacekowskibut idea is decent12:03
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DocScrutinizer05uplink load gone down to 50Mbps. We're catching up with backlog12:12
DocScrutinizer05means we shouldn't finally see much slowness in r.m.o anymore (except for those poor souls who got throttled)12:13
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# netstat -nt | wc -l12:14
DocScrutinizer05great, we've been at ~4000 a few days ago12:14
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DocScrutinizer05500 seems pretty sane12:14
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qwazix>"except for those poor souls who got throttled" who got throttled?12:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: a worthy sacrifice to the bandwidth god12:15
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: those with top-ten number of downloaded files which don't use maemo-APT aka HAM12:18
DocScrutinizer05alias "mirrors" or "leechers"12:19
qwazixDocSrutinizer05, :nod:12:19
DocScrutinizer05and maybe a few innocent guys behind a national NAT who just wanted to do a single wget, which summed up to the NATs IP12:19
DocScrutinizer05summed up on*12:20
tadzik..national NAT? There are such things?12:20
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DocScrutinizer05allegedly Poland and Czech have those12:20
warfaretadzik: Kabel Deutschland rolled out Carrier Grade NAT for some german customers.12:21
tadzikpoor guys12:21
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DocScrutinizer05eventually we'll remove the throttling, or increase bandwidth we allow to them12:21
warfareI disabled the throtteling and we are still below 75mbit/s12:21
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, any reports until now for such cases?12:22
tadzikI know of few Polish ISPs that install block-of-flats-wide NATs and call that a feature12:22
kerioso... we're done?12:22
keriotadzik: an italian ISP does that too12:22
qwazix(real people that got throttled?)12:22
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I have no means to evaluate12:22
kerioqwazix: they'd chalk that up to general rmo slowness anyway12:23
qwazixI mean if anybody came here whining12:23
qwazixah, ok12:23
DocScrutinizer05everybody came here whining ;-)12:23
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DocScrutinizer05there's been that one .ua IP that used 600kBps bandwidth for hours12:24
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DocScrutinizer05somebody doing full wget12:24
DocScrutinizer05he for sure got throttled12:24
jacekowskiis the hash stuff fixed?12:24
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DocScrutinizer05we're just starting on that12:24
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DocScrutinizer05blocker: autobuilder/x-fade12:25
jacekowskiis that the OBS builder?12:25
jacekowskior the old stuff12:25
DocScrutinizer05I asked thedead1440 to take care about the proper ticket to nemein12:25
DocScrutinizer05old stuff12:25
DocScrutinizer05we got no OBS12:26
qwazixOBS just went away? don't we have at least the VM's or sth?12:26
qwazix(not running, backed up somewhere)12:26
M4rtinKI'm pretty sure we (CZ) don't have any national-level NAT :)12:27
M4rtinKbut lots of users (cable, mobile internet, DSL) do have shared IPs12:27
M4rtinKshared with other customers of the given ISP12:27
DocScrutinizer05YEAH, that's an uplink the way I love it: constant fluctuations between 50 nad 70Mbps12:27
DocScrutinizer05means it's actually the requests and their randomness that determins load12:28
M4rtinKqwazix: I remember logging into it so it probably kinda worked12:28
qwazixhmm, then where is it? Deleted?12:29
DocScrutinizer05DAFAQ, that .ua guy again!12:29
kerioyep, i can pull at 1MB/s :D12:29
DocScrutinizer05188.117.59.205                                                        => 91.22x.2x.10x                                                         19.1Mb  20.7Mb  22.0Mb12:29
warfareDocScrutinizer05: Let him mirror, he'll be finished soon.12:30
DocScrutinizer05warfare: please re-enable thorttling of top-ten to 2Mbps12:30
DocScrutinizer05err wait, 2Mbps per client, that means 20Mbps for the netfilter queue12:30
keriowarfare: do you reckon we should still implement some kind of CDN? or we can go without?12:30
kerio*or can we go12:30
warfarekerio: I'd like to see how it works over time. I have absolutely no idea about the long term behaviour.12:31
Muellihm.I can't install things from extras-devel. I get hash sum mismatch. I did apt-get update a few times, but I can't install i.e. tvbgone or htop. The repository seems to be available. Any ideas?12:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: all calculations show we should be fine12:32
kerioMuelli: a problem with the repository, use extras-devel.merlin1991.at12:32
DocScrutinizer05for the 40k12:32
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kerioit's better, anyway12:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: merlin1991 claimed it's "totally fubar" OWTTE12:33
Muellikerio: so is quirky?12:33
qwazixare there any reported problems using backupmenu & uboot at the same time?12:33
DocScrutinizer05he even wanna take it down from recommended mirrors12:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: extras-devel-light is different12:33
kerioit does its own thing12:33
Muellikerio: and who's the one then backdooring my phone with tampered packages? ;-)12:33
keriothe apt-mirror one is FUBAR12:33
kerioMuelli: the same dude who has write access to
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: those mirrors are considered trustworthy12:34
M4rtinKbad news: cutetube-1.4.1 from Extras-Devel, built 2012-10-10, reports hash mismatch12:34
DocScrutinizer05(except maybe which is under control of a rogue IRC chanop who has funny ideas sometimes ;-P)12:35
DocScrutinizer05just kidding12:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: those MUST be signed by the extras key, anyway12:35
Muellionly extras-devel is affected, right? I seem to be able to install other stuff, anyway12:35
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: yes, since extras hasn't changed since "years"12:35
M4rtinKI'll try to find if there are some Devel packages without mismatch12:36
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: that's a fsckng PITA12:36
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: which "mirror"?12:37
DocScrutinizer05or rather, do we care?12:37
DocScrutinizer05or are those supposed to be identical on all mirrors anyway12:37
MuelliI want to restore a backup, i.e. restore the applications from the backup. There is a button in the app manager. Any chance I can do that via CLI?12:37
DocScrutinizer05normal backup?12:38
DocScrutinizer05or backupmenu backup?12:38
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: r.m.o12:38
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: all my reports concern r.m.o BTW12:39
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: for normal Hildon backup/restore app, you probably should try to use the backup app's restore function, which in turn calls HAM, and see how far that gets you12:39
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: "great"12:39
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: I mean, thanks a lot!12:40
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: I'm glad I can help in some way! :)12:40
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: how's rmo speed for you now?12:40
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: seems finally usable12:40
DocScrutinizer05good :-D12:40
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: was abysmal till yesterday, now it is ok :)12:41
kerioby the way, the magic token code is visible on rmp12:43
M4rtinKI wonder how the mismatch could be fixed12:44
M4rtinKwhat is corrupted - the packages or the has list ?12:44
M4rtinK*hash list12:44
kerioM4rtinK: the list12:44
keriothe debs install fine, apparently12:45
Muellioh, I can't install from extras-testing :-\ hmm.12:46
M4rtinKhopefully just regenerating the checksums would be sufficient12:48
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jpinxtoday's question for the n900 - how to get skype to use the main camera - not the one facing me ? :)12:53
M4rtinKweird: openmediaplayer_20121220-1 installed fine12:53
M4rtinKso the corruption is probably not strictly time based12:53
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: I gather autobulder screwed things up due to some bug.12:54
qwazixhash sum mismatch for me too while installing backupmenu12:54
M4rtinKI think it looks like as the has got corrupted after the package was long built12:55
DocScrutinizer05my suspicion is about stale NFS mounts between the different *.m.o machines. So occasionally autobuilder running with no access to garage or vcs or drop or whatever, and then creating shit hashsums12:55
M4rtinKeq. Autobuilder building a new package, assigning it's hash to an old one12:55
DocScrutinizer05there are cron rsync jobs and whatnot12:56
M4rtinKas some of these packages are quite old and there were no reports about mismatches so far12:56
DocScrutinizer05figure a rsync aborted12:56
DocScrutinizer05next autobuilder run may corrupt arbitrary random packages12:56
qwazixcould it be related to the out-of-sync maemo downloads web page?12:56
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: yes12:57
qwazixThat one is stuck even before migration12:57
Muelliso is there an extras-testing mirror?12:57
DocScrutinizer05somebody with a clue how that dungeaon monster works has to look at it: Nemein / X-Fade12:57
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: with same problems, yes12:58
Muelliah, darn12:58
DocScrutinizer05though not with identical problems12:58
qwazixLatest update of 27/11/1212:58
DocScrutinizer05a package that fails on one mirror might work on another12:58
DocScrutinizer05and vice versa12:58
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merlin1991kerio, DocScrutinizer05 is foobar, and are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit13:43
kerioindeed :313:43
DocScrutinizer05ok, can we have that "tagged" somewhere?13:45
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infoboti heard mirror is
DocScrutinizer05~literal mirrors13:45
infobot"#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror"13:45
DocScrutinizer05~literal mirror13:46
infobot"#maemo mirror" is ""13:46
WizardNumberNextrmo works! \o/13:46
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo mirror is and >> <merlin1991> is foobar, and are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<13:47
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0513:47
infobotmirror is probably and >> <merlin1991> is foobar, and are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<13:47
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: only top 10 are throttled? So, if there would be 15 or 20 of them, then they would be just changing places on the list.13:48
kerioi thought warfare said he wasn't throttling anymore13:48
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WizardNumberNextI didn't get there before I wrote last post13:54
WizardNumberNextHe said that13:55
WizardNumberNextanyway apt-get update went just flying13:55
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WizardNumberNextand files are cached on proxy, so unless there would some changes...13:57
WizardNumberNextI would be getting only HTTP headers, till file would change13:57
keriomeh, fuck installing the toolchain on the n90014:03
keriotoo complicated14:03
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WizardNumberNextI wrote battery monitoring script, which would show actuall state after $1 seconds every $2 seconds and do it $3 times. It would log state as well: DateTime; used uA; average uAh; current from BQ in uA; charge for BQ; voltage from BQ14:22
WizardNumberNextanybody likes to get paste?14:22
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WizardNumberNext201305122159;3748;223200;201705;473382;3896 - line of log14:24
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WizardNumberNextvoltage is in mV14:24
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keriowarfare: i seem to be getting 503s sometimes, on rmo15:52
warfarekerio: I'll have a look.15:53
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Aoyagi_joytopIs it difficult to find a spare keyboard buttons and then replace them?16:06
Aoyagi_joytop(I assume that changing the keyboard software layout is as easy as it gets)16:07
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keriochanging the software keyboard layout can be surprisingly hard, actually16:08
kerioif it's not one of the builtin layouts16:08
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keriofor instance, i still haven't found a way to use my modified english layout in qt programs16:09
keriogtk programs, and everything that uses xkb, use it just fine16:09
kerioAoyagi_joytop: what do you want to change?16:09
Aoyagi_joytopSo if I buy a phone with QWERTZ hardware keyboard, I'll have to use that in some occasions?16:09
keriono, no16:10
keriochanging the layout in Settings works fine16:10
Aoyagi_joytopOh, good.16:11
kerio...i think16:11
Aoyagi_joytopI have terrible experiences with N97 ...16:11
keriojust checked, the default layouts work fine in QT too16:13
DocScrutinizer05Aoyagi_joytop: there's nothing in N900 hard-defining the keymat it's using. You can swap keymat any time, and adjust keyboard mapping in settings16:13
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DocScrutinizer05when it gets to custom kbd mappings though, stuff gets tricky16:14
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Aoyagi_joytopGah, I haz crash.16:15
Aoyagi_joytopWhat did I miss?16:15
Aoyagi_joytopah, log16:15
kerioAoyagi_joytop: unless you want to customize the mappings, you'll be fine16:15
Aoyagi_joytopOh, good.16:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how does osso-product-info know that my n900 is british, though?16:16
DocScrutinizer05from CAL16:16
keriowell, thankfully they decided to let the user decide the hw layout16:16
Aoyagi_joytopWell thanks, I thought that such open platform shouldn't have problems with this, just wanted to make sure :)16:16
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kerioi wonder how well external keyboards work with QT16:17
kerioprobably not a lot16:17
DocScrutinizer05go give it a try16:17
kerioi can't, right now16:18
DocScrutinizer05H-E-N is out there for you16:18
kerioi'm pooping16:18
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kerioand besides, i don't have a usb keyboard anywhere anymore16:18
kerioonly a bluetooth one16:18
DocScrutinizer05info overload16:18
warfarekerio: 503's should be fixed. (hopefully)16:20
kerioyay, what was it?16:20
kerionot enough free connections in apache?16:20
warfareapache couldn't handle the backend connections. So varnish goes to nginx for .debs.16:20
keriowhy do we have three web servers now?16:21
keriocan't varnish itself serve static files?16:21
warfareYep. Apache on port 81, nginx on port 82.16:21
warfarekerio: nope.16:21
warfarestill 503's. damn.16:22
keriowhy do we need apache, again?16:23
warfaresome php scripts.16:23
keriowhich ones?16:24
kerioalso, have you made sure that varnish loaded the new config?16:25
Aoyagi_joytopWould you choose or ? :D16:25
warfarekerio: I did. Must have been some old connections, I don't see any 503s anymore.16:25
warfarekerio: rootfs, flasher, etc. the whole license checking stuff.16:26
keriohold on, rmo doesn't host those16:26
keriodoes it?16:26
keriobut... that links to tablets-dev16:27
kerioAoyagi_joytop: first one16:28
Aoyagi_joytopHuh, I wasn't that sure.16:30
keriothe first one had a better photographer16:30
kerioalso, english keyboard16:31
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cehtehthe 2nd one is dirty but has a screen protector16:32
cehtehi wonder how it looks if its cleaned up16:32
cehtehbut what keyboard is that?16:32
Aoyagi_joytopThat's why I asked if it's difficult to change it :D16:33
cehtehits doable if you are able to get a new keyboard map16:33
cehtehdunno if they are available somewhere still16:34
Aoyagi_joytopHm. Might as well get both.16:37
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Aoyagi_joytopWhat did you mean by keyboard map?16:51
kerioWizardNumberNext: it's probably not 1320 anymore anyway16:51
keriobatteries age16:51
WizardNumberNextstrange, I've been told its 0.7C charge mx16:52
WizardNumberNextman batteries are used fore max 1 month (hard to tell how old they are)16:52
kerioi thought chemical batteries didn't really have a concept of "charge" like that16:53
WizardNumberNextthen like what?16:53
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WizardNumberNextI know they have specific efficiency of charge and discharge16:54
WizardNumberNextsomething like 80%/90%16:54
WizardNumberNextbut if that is true, then...16:54
WizardNumberNextwhich won't be real in any ways16:55
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WizardNumberNextthis would be sligthly closer (considering 833+3016:57
kerioto what?16:57
WizardNumberNextcause I leave it charging forever and it takes rawly hour or so after FULL which small charge around 60mA and falling16:58
WizardNumberNextto real capacity16:58
WizardNumberNextbut I think BQ is lying to me, as I never got more then 900mA on it16:58
WizardNumberNextI mean 900mAh16:58
keriohave you done a proper calibration cycle?16:59
WizardNumberNextappart from original battery which got to 1250mAh16:59
WizardNumberNextgot few of them (I think)16:59
WizardNumberNext1. till charge current would disappear by itself 2. till it will die on me17:00
WizardNumberNextit dies below 3248mV17:00
WizardNumberNextand I got battery to 4171mV on minimal charging current (rawly 1-2mA)17:01
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WizardNumberNextI got rid of logs so cannot say how much it was, when charging was completely cut off17:01
WizardNumberNextbut it was around 4068mV17:01
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keriocut off by who? were you using bme at that point?17:02
WizardNumberNextno, I let BQ take charge of battery17:03
keriothe emergency charge? that won't let you fill the battery17:03
WizardNumberNextbut not by any scripts or zaanything - just change from BME to BQ on status17:03
WizardNumberNextno, not emergency charge, normal charge under OS17:03
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keriohold on, who is controlling b24150?17:06
WizardNumberNextno idea - honestly17:06
WizardNumberNextbut it is chargin till zilch17:07
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keriois bme running?17:07
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WizardNumberNextdo I have choice - last time I asked how to stop it, we got to dead end, because of dsme17:07
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keriono, the last time you asked how to stop it we told you how17:08
kerioyou ignored us, and used a SIGSTOP17:08
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: `stop bme`17:08
WizardNumberNextno, it wasn't like that - I got some answers, but in the end discussion started on dsme side of problem17:09
WizardNumberNextand I used SIGSTOP before I asked17:09
DocScrutinizer05and after that, bq24150 will reset to emergency charge mode, after 32s17:09
DocScrutinizer05bq24150 can not charge battery to 4200mV on its own17:10
DocScrutinizer05it needs at least some watchdog tickler17:10
DocScrutinizer05see my POC scriptie on tmo17:11
DocScrutinizer05I linked you to it last time17:11
DocScrutinizer05also see ShadowJK's charge21.sh17:12
DocScrutinizer05which is an improved version of my POC micro-script17:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: POC as in Proof Of Concept, i hope17:12
DocScrutinizer05take that as it pleases you most17:13
DocScrutinizer05both applies ;-)17:13
DocScrutinizer05it's never been meant for productive use17:13
DocScrutinizer05so it's both17:14
keriopiece of cake?17:14
DocScrutinizer05pile of crap17:14
WizardNumberNextyes, please17:14
DocScrutinizer05and proof of concept17:14
keriopoint of contact?17:14
WizardNumberNextpiece of cake17:14
keriopolicy oversight committee17:14
DocScrutinizer05~wtf poc17:15
infobotPOC: point of contact17:15
keriohahah what the hell, parents of ostomy children17:15
keriowhy is this listed17:15
WizardNumberNextok, where have value for current, I would like to change it to something like 500-600 and termination current as low as possible17:19
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WizardNumberNextwhat the hell NAC is?17:34
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DocScrutinizer05you might appreciate my bq27k-detail script, on
DocScrutinizer05it's *very* verbose17:54
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: detail2?18:03
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lufmerlin1991: I'm ok with week 18-24th (it depends on day but it's too far to know now)18:11
luffreemangordon: I'm affraid it's time to patch bluetooth in kernel (based on debian or another distro kernel).18:12
Estel_M4rtinK,  package from 2010.10 got hash sum mismatch?18:13
Estel_0_o it's extremely bad news for rmo18:13
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: it is extremly verbose18:13
Estel_I wonder if anyone will be able to fix it, or full backup restore from some mirror will be required (or re-building and re-submitting offending packages, like that from 10.2012)18:14
Estel_M4rtinK,  I mean 2012.10 of course, not 201018:14
WizardNumberNextOK I got VDQ long time ago, I think it would be safe to leave now18:18
DocScrutinizer05tmo pending a reboot18:20
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] tmo pending a reboot18:21
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WizardNumberNextshould I start bme w/ o w/o bq modules?18:23
WizardNumberNextlooks like w/o them, cause I got restart right after starting be18:24
WizardNumberNexts/g be/g bme/18:24
WizardNumberNextinfoboot ping18:25
WizardNumberNext~ping infoboot18:25
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* WizardNumberNext going to shop to hunt for great offers with BBD of today18:28
DocScrutinizer05RIP infobot18:30
DocScrutinizer05long live new infobot18:30
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!18:31
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kerioEstel_: just... rehash the packages and rebuild Packages and Release?18:39
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DocScrutinizer05[general notice] tmo got reset to a backup done 5h ago. Nobody erased your most recent post just to run a prank on you18:50
infobotaw, gee, kerio18:50
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: so you like to change19:11
DocScrutinizer05  +mirrors19:12
infobotrumour has it, mirror is and >> <merlin1991> is foobar, and are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<19:12
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*** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "repository is back - see || Welcome to #maemo | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | | Source: | Chanlog: | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet"19:19
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keriolearn to /cs topic19:19
DocScrutinizer05pff, no way19:19
kerioit's easy!19:20
DocScrutinizer05a) it's way more inconvenient than that nice editbox in Konversation, and b) I like the history to show *who* did the edit19:20
DocScrutinizer05I got all topic changes since 2012-11-08 in history here, incl who did it and what been done19:22
DocScrutinizer05this will fail at least for the "who" part when chanserv does the edits on behalf of >anonymous>19:23
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DocScrutinizer05don't think I wouldn't constantly re-evaluate and think about my standard procedures to do things - usually there's a pretty well thought rationale behind my decision to do things the way I do19:25
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n900-dkCan you see and even change the repository list in some configfile? Instead of using HAM..19:54
kerion900-dk: there's hildon-application-manager-config, but using it is more obscure than the graphical menu19:56
kerioHAM will use every repo in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*19:56
kerioso you can add your repos like you'd do in debian19:57
keriohe'll show them in the list, but with no way to edit them19:57
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n900-dkthx, so I can edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list with no issues?20:00
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DocScrutinizer05strongly deprecated20:00
DocScrutinizer05it's a tarpit20:00
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: yeah the mirror factoid should be updated20:01
DocScrutinizer05HAM might overwrite your edits, or not accept them, or you make apt and HAM go out of sync regarding repos20:01
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DocScrutinizer05~literal #maemo mirror20:01
infobot"#maemo mirror" is " and >> <merlin1991> is foobar, and are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<"20:02
n900-dkhmm, just prefer to use apt sometimes20:02
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo mirror is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0520:02
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: please do your edits ^^^20:03
merlin1991hm is the no, required or simply #chan factorid is value ?20:03
DocScrutinizer05without the no you can't overwrite the existing factoid20:04
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: #maemo mirror is
infoboti already had it that way, DocScrutinizer0520:04
DocScrutinizer05well, i'm a poor example, having admin privs on infobot20:05
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DocScrutinizer05anyway please follow the sheme of first checking actual factoid content with ~literal <factoid>20:05
DocScrutinizer05then update by "infobot: no, <factoid> is <new content, probably c&p and edited>20:06
DocScrutinizer05don't mess up with factoids that are not chan specific!20:07
merlin1991~litearal #maemo mirror20:07
DocScrutinizer05~literal mirrors20:07
infobot"#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror"20:07
DocScrutinizer05~literal mirror20:07
infobot"#maemo mirror" is ""20:07
DocScrutinizer05check closely!20:08
merlin1991~literal #maemo mirror20:08
infobot"#maemo mirror" is ""20:08
merlin1991infobot: no, #maemo mirror is
infobotmerlin1991: okay20:09
infobotmirror is probably
DocScrutinizer05pro tip: don't c&p the "ticked" version, it will fail on definition of a new factoid20:11
DocScrutinizer05~"xxtest" is "we don't want ticks"20:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one20:12
DocScrutinizer05~xxtest is "we don't want ticks"20:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay20:12
infobotit has been said that xxtest is "we don't want ticks"20:12
DocScrutinizer05~forget xxtest20:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxtest20:13
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DocScrutinizer05~xy is foo20:15
infobot...but xy is already something else...20:15
DocScrutinizer05~literal xy20:15
infobot"xy" is "The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X."20:15
DocScrutinizer05nice one20:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: HAM and apt's repos can't go out of sync, but HAM will outright ignore the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and write its own thing there20:26
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes, probably you're right. anyway it's not exactly intuitive to handle, and thus HAM catalog editor is the only recommended method to change your repo settings20:27
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's annoyingly slow20:28
DocScrutinizer05but anyway it works unattended, once you enabled or added a repo and clicked "OK"20:29
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DocScrutinizer05and it does implicit apt-get update which you'd need to do anyway, after changing repo list20:29
DocScrutinizer05I don't think changing or enabling a repo/catalog in HAM is *much* slower than editing whatever file and then running apt-get update20:30
WizardNumberNextjust checking if I remember right, cause I do not want problems. To go from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing, I click CSSU-testing enabler and update, then?20:32
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you kidding me? of course it is20:37
kerioWizardNumberNext: delete the cssu stable repo first20:37
keriosorry, "catalogue"20:38
WizardNumberNextI got it.20:38
keriothen follow the instructions as specified on the wiki20:38
WizardNumberNextI would do that anyway, but knowing me it would after not priore20:38
keriothen install cssu-thumb, right DocScrutinizer?20:38
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WizardNumberNextkerio: apart of thumb any other changes between kp-51 and kernel-thumb? Or is it wiser to ask Pali?20:40
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WizardNumberNextand most important! What about O/C.? I really like my N900 on 500-720MHz20:42
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05 ans Pali ^^20:44
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WizardNumberNextdifferences between kp51 and kernel-thumb?20:47
WizardNumberNextnot to mention "operation failed"  in HAM, after clickng CSSU-testing button20:48
kerioWizardNumberNext: make sure you have no cssu catalogues, close ham, wait for it to close, click the cssu-testing button20:49
keriooverclocking is somewhat dumb, cssu-thumb is a better option if you want more performance20:49
kerioand you should use kp52 anyway20:49
kerioplenty of bugfixes and new features20:50
keriolike network bridges20:50
WizardNumberNextI do not have any CSSU catalogues enabled - do I have to remove it completely, then?20:50
keriocompletely remove what?20:51
keriolet's focus on cssu-testing first :)20:51
WizardNumberNextbridge? what can I bridge? usb with nothing?20:51
kerioWizardNumberNext: install the new bluez, and you have a proper PAN setup20:51
WizardNumberNextunusable in my case as only device, which would be using it is server, as desktop have buggy USB, which handles everything till some point and then only mouse works20:52
WizardNumberNextgive me sec anyway, cause I am soldering my headphones20:53
keriofreemangordon: will HAM let you do things that result in the uninstallation of the metapackage? i'm asking you because you probably tested that the most20:54
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WizardNumberNextkerio: obviously HAM takes its time to close, that was problem21:00
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WizardNumberNextkerio: kp52 link?21:08
n900-dkIs HAM log located in a textfile somewhere?21:12
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WizardNumberNextHAM wants me to use PC suite21:25
WizardNumberNextis it safe to update with red-pill mode?21:25
BCMMmy n900 just rebooted completely spontaneously. i wasn't even using it. this hasn't happened before; does it indicate anything serious?21:25
WizardNumberNextor should I try reboot first21:25
kerioWizardNumberNext: hrmpf21:26
WizardNumberNextBCMM: I was getting such spontaneus reboots, while I was undervolting CPU21:26
keriotry rebooting first21:26
WizardNumberNextI am on it21:26
WizardNumberNextseams to be a lot more safe then red-pill21:27
kerioalso, don't use mirrors21:27
WizardNumberNextno mirrors enables - actually I just removed them21:27
WizardNumberNextbtw I got 4 repos for CSSU: stable, testing, thumb and devel and only testing was enabled21:28
WizardNumberNextthe stable doesn't seam to be right here, but I see reason why it might be there as well21:28
WizardNumberNextso should it be there or not21:29
keriook, so the enabler did its job21:29
kerioWizardNumberNext: nah, it's ok21:29
kerioit should be there21:29
kerioand you can't delete it, anyway21:29
keriowell, try rebooting and then we'll see what's wrong21:30
WizardNumberNextok, just checking. btw should it be disabled? Both options seam right and wrong at the same time, so I prefer to ask.21:30
WizardNumberNextjust got it back after reboot21:31
WizardNumberNextmount eMMC21:31
kerioonly the cssu-testing repo should be enabled of all the cssu repos21:31
keriooh, i think i know what it is21:31
keriomerlin1991: fix this ffs21:31
kerioWizardNumberNext: you need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install cssu-testing at the moment21:31
WizardNumberNextI see21:31
WizardNumberNextno wonder I coulndn't do that21:32
keriobut of course, rmo is somewhat screwed up at the moment21:32
WizardNumberNextI disbled extras-devel21:32
kerioso enable extras-devel.merlin1991.at21:32
kerioand hope that HAM won't complain about its domain thing21:32
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WizardNumberNextI know that, but package-wise it should be ok - it seam that hash-sums are wrong, but packages aren't bad, but nobody can garratie any package is right with wrong hash-sum21:33
keriowho cares about what nobody can do21:33
kerioHAM will not like it21:34
kerioso use merlin1991's extras-devel21:34
WizardNumberNextI know, even apt would complain21:34
DocScrutinizer05why T F do regular users get cssu-thumb and even cssu-devel catalog after installing cssu-t?21:34
infobotit has been said that mirror is
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i said this before, but happy new year :P21:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: as a workaround for HAM's domain thing21:35
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DocScrutinizer05I'm temped to kick you21:35
kerioit was done somewhat coarsely21:36
kerioaka by adding every cssu repo21:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't you like me? :c21:36
DocScrutinizer05honestly, if you like to troll me some more, get your shit done by somebody else! >:-(21:36
WizardNumberNextdo not ask me! I do not want it yet! If  I would want it I would ask for it. One reason for it is: as I am not involved with any repo I cannot know, if everything would work with everything as it is supposed to do, so I rather avoid enabling to many repos21:36
keriowe're working on a way to split the catalogues in packages21:36
keriomy proposal is to keep keys and domains in community-ssu-enabler and only split the "system catalogues" in packages21:37
kerioand then install community-ssu-enabler as a dependency of community-ssu-$flavour21:37
DocScrutinizer05take your proposal and eat it21:37
kerioit's not a proposal to you, it's a proposal to Pali21:37
kerio(and the cssu maintainers, obviously)21:38
kerioit's halfway between a bureaucratic decision and a technical decision, really21:38
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DocScrutinizer05I don't give a fuck about it21:39
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kerioyou fscking asked21:40
DocScrutinizer05got better things to do than fixing shit whole day and night for Mr trollollo21:40
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WizardNumberNextshit just realized I never had extras-testing! I need apt line (I shall translate it by myself)21:40
kerioWizardNumberNext: the state of extras* on rmo is inconsistent at the moment21:41
WizardNumberNextand apt line for mirror of extras-devel for merlin1991 mirror21:41
DocScrutinizer05to get stupid trolling as an answer when asking why people mess up shit after me fixing it21:41
kerioWizardNumberNext: i said extras-testing *or* extras-devel21:41
WizardNumberNextso some more or less consistent mirror for e-t21:41
keriooh for fuck's sake DocScrutinizer, i started answering *right after the joke*21:41
WizardNumberNextI can enable both and see which was used later on21:41
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kerioWizardNumberNext: extras-devel will be used if you enable both, but i think that the package is the same21:42
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kerioit's a problem with libcurl iirc21:42
DocScrutinizer05next joke earns you top rank on my ignore list21:42
WizardNumberNextI would rather avoid extras-devel if it is possible21:42
keriowell, "problem" as in it depends on something that's not actually shipped in the cssu-testing repo21:42
WizardNumberNextkerio: do it, do it....21:42
WizardNumberNextthen I won't be first one!21:43
kerioWizardNumberNext: i'm not actually aware of any known-to-be-working extras-testing mirror21:43
WizardNumberNextwhy I didn't hear it earlier?21:43
kerioWizardNumberNext: really though, you could enable extras-devel (the good one) just for the update and immediately disable it afterwards21:44
WizardNumberNextwhatever, I do expect any update in any CSSU in very near future. There's too much to fix anyway21:44
WizardNumberNextok, I can do extras-devel (hear you year after ;) ) and push some buttons a little bit ( and see if it would work21:45
WizardNumberNextmeanwhile: anybody can give me apt line for merlin mirror of extras-devel21:46
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keriodeb fremantle free non-free21:47
WizardNumberNextty kerio21:47
WizardNumberNextadded in HAM21:49
WizardNumberNextnot so hard, if you already know what is going where and understand what is about (ty debian)21:50
WizardNumberNextkerio: any idea, if bme would be runnig, while transition would be in progress OR is it safest just to replace battery to have it off my head?21:51
kerioi can't parse that21:51
WizardNumberNextOK I assume second part of question as answer21:52
kerioyou can just charge it21:52
keriolike, attach the wallcharger while updating21:52
WizardNumberNextjust wondering, if it is safe to do update on charger, as battery is already dead21:52
keriosure, why not21:53
keriomake sure you keep it attached though21:53
WizardNumberNextif it is safe, then I would leave it as it is and update as soon as HAM would finish doing exactly nothing21:53
kerioyou can't do anything anyway21:53
WizardNumberNexti can change to another charger, which needs either my finger to pull it out or proper pliers21:54
kerioHAM locks down just about everything when you do an update21:54
kerio...hold on now, what's the problem with your charger?21:54
WizardNumberNextI have seen it already, so I know what I am sing up for21:54
WizardNumberNextI have two AC-10X chargers - both works perfectly21:54
keriono, i meant the microusb port21:55
WizardNumberNextone is very hard to remove from USB socket, so I might switch to that one just to be sure it won't be pulled by accident21:55
WizardNumberNextone of them (this one, which is used as home charger) is normal and it is easy to remove from socket, but other one... it really need pliers for everybody else then me21:56
keriojust... leave it be?21:56
WizardNumberNextI do not plan to change anything at the moment21:56
WizardNumberNextI even don't like to take any charger out of my backpack21:57
WizardNumberNextI have car charger DC6 or something like that and wallcharger AC-10X in my backpack - always21:57
* eccerr0r needs to figure out how hard it is to solder down the microusb port so that he doesn't have to worry about breaking it...21:58
kerioeccerr0r: not that hard21:58
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)21:58
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eccerr0rI tried opening my 5230 to see if I could fix its power problem.  That was not fun to do.21:59
eccerr0rI hope the n900 isn't nearly as hard to open21:59
WizardNumberNextaccerr0r - not hard at all - good rosin, good tin (please no RoHS), and gas soldering iron21:59
WizardNumberNextn900 is very easy to disassemble and reassemble21:59
eccerr0rthat's encouraging...21:59
WizardNumberNextI did it to many times to give any estimate22:00
eccerr0rI sanded down my microusb plugs in the meantime but really would like to make sure it won't come out...22:00
WizardNumberNextlast time 2 days ago, when I tried to polish digitizer using watered-down tooth-paste and made my display wet22:00
eccerr0rerr.. the outlet won't come out.22:00
WizardNumberNextI wopul not do anything like that to USB plug22:01
WizardNumberNextUSB plug should be left alone22:01
eccerr0rworst case it'd not hold as well, but it would be less stress on the n90022:01
WizardNumberNextone of my friend squeezed it and from that time he was unable to charge his HTC22:01
eccerr0rmy take is, sacrifice usb cable before sacrificing n900...22:02
WizardNumberNextactually pcb is perfectly able to hold it, but plug itself isn't soldered, only pins22:02
keriosanding it down is deprecated22:02
DocScrutinizer05metal dust in USB plug can ruin your receptacle22:02
WizardNumberNextsanding down usb plug - that's weird idea anyway22:02
kerioit's easier to use a soft pencil to spread some graphite on it22:03
DocScrutinizer05and push the latches in with your fingernail a few times, which helps wonders22:03
WizardNumberNextespecially after having server with tons of HDDs and only molex plugs - never try to file anything without really good reason22:03
WizardNumberNextkerio: not good advice either, graphite conducts...22:04
keriothat's the point22:05
DocScrutinizer05USB never will come out on straight pulling out the plug. It breaks by you bending the plug22:05
kerioand it will not grind on anything, because it's soft22:05
WizardNumberNextbut it conducts even in places which do not want to22:05
kerionot between the contacts, surely22:05
keriothere's no place for that22:05
DocScrutinizer05a soft pencil won't go to places you don't want it22:05
DocScrutinizer05we didn't suggest to use graphite dust22:06
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WizardNumberNextok, leave graphite and pencil, I do not even want to think about such "hack", it makes turns in my brain go straight22:06
DocScrutinizer05which would be almost as evil as metal dust from sanding22:07
WizardNumberNexteven worse, as it would be harder to remove - iron dust could be picked-up with magnet - do it with graphite22:08
DocScrutinizer05you're not supposed to paint the *inside* of your USB plug with that pencil22:09
WizardNumberNextI think I would spend rest of day on windows, as I want to play some games (and it is only for games)22:09
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WizardNumberNextman you are slowly, but very efficiently moiving me out from here for while22:10
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WizardNumberNextI really don't won't to argue about graphite, pencil or anything like that - leave alone usb as well22:10
WizardNumberNextoh BT died again - USB doesn't work22:10
WizardNumberNextit is nice it leaves my mouse working (wonder how)22:11
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: then don't argue about it22:11
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WizardNumberNextthis what I am trying for last few minutes22:11
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WizardNumberNextand I am trying to be as polite as I can22:11
DocScrutinizer05sorry dude, you started it22:11
WizardNumberNextnormally, if you would stand in front of me, you might find that I am capricorn even without asking me for birthdate22:12
DocScrutinizer05now that you don't like to continue it, leave it to eccerr0r, kerio, me22:12
WizardNumberNextI am planning to22:12
WizardNumberNextI am going to play timeshock! tw22:12
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: I am going to play timeshock! tm22:13
DocScrutinizer05normally if you would know me for longer, you'd be amazed of my patienvce today, despite everybody trying his best to troll me22:13
WizardNumberNextkerio: it doesn't work with extras-devel22:13
keriofscking domain thing22:13
WizardNumberNextlost damn half-hour on extras-devel22:14
keriomerlin1991: do you have write access to rmo community-testing?22:14
WizardNumberNextnot blaming anybody - I knew it is huge22:14
n900-dkWizardNumberNext: Did the tooth-paste trick work on your digitizer or are you kiding?22:14
WizardNumberNextkerio: are trying to fix it on the other side?22:14
kerioor does that rely on the autobuilder?22:14
kerioWizardNumberNext: i'm not trying anything, merlin1991 is the cssu-testing maintainer22:15
WizardNumberNextn900-dk: toothpaste is actually quite good polisher22:15
n900-dkdo you have pics, before and after?22:15
WizardNumberNextand yes it worked - both ways - polished it a bit (for 5 minutes it is great effect) and fck-up my display, till makeing it dry22:15
WizardNumberNextno, I do not have another n90022:15
WizardNumberNextI might do some pics latter on with my N9522:16
WizardNumberNextbut trying to get it off n95 is another trick22:16
n900-dkever heard of a camera ;)22:17
WizardNumberNextbut I am not going to make another try any time soon, as it needs almost complete disassemble of n900 (display have to kept dry)22:17
WizardNumberNextcamera? would like to have one! would donate one to me?22:17
n900-dkheh, snappy comeback ;)22:17
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WizardNumberNextyou mean SS (not offensive, just Snappy Shots)22:18
DocScrutinizer05scanners make for excellent macro cameras22:19
kerioonly for flat things, though, right?22:19
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WizardNumberNextno, definitely won't help here. I am not going to dump whole 16gb uSD on desktop/server just to be able to store 12 photos22:19
merlin1991kerio: cssu upload relies on an import directory22:19
kerioi see22:19
WizardNumberNextDocSrcutinizer05: I would try - I have 1200dpi, so should good enough22:20
WizardNumberNextyou mean you did those on scanner?22:20
WizardNumberNextsorry I have too! FUCK sake22:20
DocScrutinizer05not all of them, obviously22:20
WizardNumberNextthat is amazing then22:20
WizardNumberNextI could not load most of it on n90022:21
WizardNumberNextamiga came back - memory out22:21
WizardNumberNexts/memory out/memory run out/22:21
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: amiga came back - memory run out22:21
WizardNumberNextthen I am going to scan my XFX nVidia 9800 GTX+ XXX22:22
WizardNumberNextbut printer have to have small memory, because it doesn't allow 1200dpi from itself - you have to do it on computer (impossible as it is on 802.11 at the moment022:23
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WizardNumberNextanyway it would disappear with ability to enumarate, as other devices do22:24
keriomerlin1991: :(22:24
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WizardNumberNextno idea what's wrong with this stupid USB22:24
merlin1991kerio: what?22:24
keriothe cssu-testing problem22:25
WizardNumberNextok guys, most probably I am going to spend rest of night on sad OS, explode few heads at M$hit and generally have fun mixed with awfull taste of bad programming22:26
kerioWizardNumberNext: anyway, you should still be able to disable the domain check and install it with HAM22:26
kerioor... hm22:26
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] merlin1991 is our new official repository maintainer22:27
WizardNumberNextshould I read it or should I relax and think again about HMG22:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hahahaha nice22:27
DocScrutinizer05speed appointment22:27
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: do you agree, should I go ahead and diable domain checks in HAM just for time being?22:28
kerioit's a kludge22:28
kerioWizardNumberNext: it's probably much easier to install the one package that's missing via apt22:28
WizardNumberNextDocSrutinizer05: appaointemnt gone - it was so damn FAAAAST....22:28
DocScrutinizer05it's a viable way to handle this mess for now22:28
kerioWizardNumberNext: could you try to do the system upgrade again and see if there's some way to get the actual error?22:29
WizardNumberNextkerio: first I have to know which one is missing22:29
keriothere should be a way to get HAM to display an error22:29
kerioWizardNumberNext: check the log, possibly22:30
kerioit's in the menu22:30
WizardNumberNextok, on it22:30
DocScrutinizer05and even can get saved to a file22:30
WizardNumberNextwhat? HAM is gone by itself?22:30
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kerioit's weird that nokia put that there, actually22:30
DocScrutinizer05oh hi chanserv22:30
kerioHAM is obviously perfect and can have no problems at all22:30
M4rtinKsomething that convoluted must be perfect :)22:31
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: what been that package of last October that had hashsum error?22:32
WizardNumberNextit is ignoring (most probably every) from "wrong domain"22:34
WizardNumberNextso domain fix should/would fix that22:34
DocScrutinizer05that's the idea22:34
DocScrutinizer05though I don't get it which domain is "wrong"22:34
WizardNumberNextif I only have this windows still opened, butI was on sad OS in meantime22:34
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's the friggin key-expired problem22:35
WizardNumberNextwhich very starnge because more often, then  not it cannot update it on ham, but apt have no damn problem with such simple task, even trough proxy22:35
WizardNumberNextI was thinking same, so I was ingroning everthing from there anyway22:36
DocScrutinizer05apt not checking that level of signature/trust22:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, that's not the problem22:36
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keriothe problem is that the latest cssu-testing requires a certain version of a package22:36
kerioand that version has a dependency of a certain version of another package22:36
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WizardNumberNextsometimes I really love depency business22:37
keriothat package is already installed as a system package, and the newer version is only in extras-testing and extras-devel22:37
merlin1991kerio: which packge are we talking about?22:37
DocScrutinizer05who the F*** messed that up again?22:37
WizardNumberNext\last time it was reason to  get back to debian 6, even though debian 7 was working much better on my monster22:37
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DocScrutinizer05oh hi chanserv22:38
kerioWizardNumberNext: can you give us a name of a package?22:38
kerioin the logs22:38
WizardNumberNextkerio: extras-devel is enabled, but still nokia have same problem anyway22:38
kerioyeah, yeah22:38
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WizardNumberNextall of them?22:38
keriowhat does the log say?22:38
kerioWizardNumberNext: nope22:38
WizardNumberNextI would be very happilly kick out for that22:38
kerioalso what the fuck, ChanServ22:38
kerioWizardNumberNext: just pastebin the log22:39
WizardNumberNextI would love to: it doesn't save it22:39
* merlin1991 bets it's an dependency on something in
WizardNumberNextok, I would try in mydocs22:39
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WizardNumberNextsweet-chili sauce - that a stuff22:40
DocScrutinizer05oh hi chanserv22:40
kerioit was either libcurl, or libssl iirc22:40
kerioand apparently the services keep crashing22:40
WizardNumberNextand prawns - can life be a little better? I dont't think so22:40
keriomerlin1991: which packages from dmnc aren't preinstalled in fremantle?22:41
merlin1991can't give you a full list, but i.e a dependency of cutetube sits there22:42
keriomeh, fscking nokia22:42
WizardNumberNextso, this one is solved - I have cutetube - my father installed it ages ago22:43
kerioWizardNumberNext: that's not the problem, i think :)22:43
WizardNumberNextme neithert22:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: who's supposed to ask for permission to rehost dmnc to nokia?22:43
WizardNumberNextsorry my hands are busy with prawns22:43
WizardNumberNextnow it is updating (like apt-get update)22:44
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WizardNumberNextat last22:44
DocScrutinizer05but nokia won't transfer that domain to us22:45
WizardNumberNextssh welcome to22:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but we can add it with the same trust level but with different keys via cssu-enabler22:46
kerioas far as we can see, nokia is clearly not eager to fix the keys22:46
DocScrutinizer05they are22:46
DocScrutinizer05it just takes ages, like everything inside nokia22:47
ShadowJKWizardNumberNext; did you figure out how to edit charge21 to your preferred settings?22:47
WizardNumberNextI should say: 802.11 welcome to, before any ssh\]22:47
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: you are far better on commenting then me. Yes, I did. Thank for such usefull script22:48
WizardNumberNexts/Tank/Tank you/22:48
WizardNumberNextI think it is worse then it have been22:49
WizardNumberNextfirst I eat whol,e word, then just character, but "tank you" doesn't make any of wanted senser22:50
WizardNumberNextsorry, eating, dringin and laughing at myself costantnly22:50
kerioyou seem drunk22:50
WizardNumberNextit is hard to type, while your keyboard is covered with desk, you are eating and you do not look on keyboard as you used to do, because food seam to be more atractive22:51
WizardNumberNextbut you might be right anyway22:51
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WizardNumberNextI do not deny (lion share of bottle of wine isn't so small amount)22:52
WizardNumberNextso I think it would most safe for everybody to leave my migration to CSSU-testing till tomorrow (it won't escape me I think)22:54
WizardNumberNextcup of wine is getting empty22:54
kerio...perhaps it would be best, yes22:54
WizardNumberNextoh, so damn good - still have some in bottle22:54
WizardNumberNext..not much22:54
WizardNumberNextkerio: it is plainly about my energu levels22:55
WizardNumberNextI tend to wear a lot faster after wine, then without22:55
WizardNumberNextI mean get tired22:55
WizardNumberNextotherwise I would be able to write nuclear head soft still (I am so sorry USA, I didn't want to, I was drunk) ;)22:56
ShadowJKWizardNumberNext; funny that, DocScrutinizer has on numerous occasions used "WTF" when reading those comments22:56
WizardNumberNextI don't get on which point, but I suppose there was few of them22:57
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: your roman hex notation is a bit unusual, yes ;-D22:57
ShadowJKthe 7-1250 6-1150 stuff22:57
WizardNumberNextwait the second - it seamed to be obious to me22:58
WizardNumberNextyou simply used hex notation, or like others used those parts of byte which counts for that particular function22:58
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WizardNumberNextI have seen it many times previously22:58
ShadowJKIt'd looked very different had I known sh can do binary arithmetic :)22:58
wirrany experience with tinymail/camel libs anyone?22:59
WizardNumberNextbash especially - it is very capable and most probably we still don't how much it can do for us22:59
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WizardNumberNextlast one wasn't joke!22:59
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WizardNumberNextwirr, I am eager, but not wise enough23:00
kerioi prefer using an actual programming language23:00
WizardNumberNextkerio: it depends on your point of view23:00
kerioor perhaps a better programming language23:00
WizardNumberNextlook on bash like PL and you'll see much more then PL only23:01
DocScrutinizer05since bashscript *is* a programming language23:01
wirrWielkiTost, yep you seem _very_ eager23:01
keriothe stdlib kinda sucks though23:01
kerioand there's no proper standard for it23:01
infobotwirr meant: WizardNumberNextt, yep you seem _very_ eager23:01
WizardNumberNextat least it is considered as PL by some people - I am bit on edge of such decision, but I used Shell Scripts from 1996, so I really like it many ways23:02
keriofor instance, gnu grep vs bsd grep23:02
WizardNumberNextwirr?!?! are you polish or something? How did you get Wielki there?23:02
* wirr thinks autocompletion sucks23:03
WizardNumberNexthe is typing from polish correcting OS23:03
ShadowJKkerio; busybox sh surely can't be less real than js, the new official Gnome programming language.23:03
tadzikWizardNumberNext: WielkiTOst is a user here23:04
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: nick autocompletion23:04
WizardNumberNexthow is that? I avoid contact with polsih people and they always seem to find me EVERYWHERE!@23:04
kerioShadowJK: i don't personally like it, but apparently ecmascript6 is quite powerful23:04
tadzikstill, there seems to be plenty of us Polish over here23:04
kerioand busybox sh is a sad state of affairs23:04
WizardNumberNextno offence - I just want to better with english23:04
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ShadowJKkerio; atleast I havent found any bugs in busybox sh yet23:04
WizardNumberNextit is good to have explaination for everything23:05
kerioi don't quite like the prototyping system as opposed to defining classes, but...23:05
* ShadowJK found NetBSD sh buggy enough to cause issues23:05
WizardNumberNextbusybox - I never really liked it23:05
kerioShadowJK: as opposed to? javascript? gnome's javascript?23:05
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: haha, no bugs in messybox?23:05
WizardNumberNextno offence - I just dislike BB in general23:05
WizardNumberNextI use bash3 on desktop and (surprisingly enough) bash4 on n90023:06
ShadowJKkerio; i'm just saying as far as sh implementations go, I've never personally encountered a bug in busybox, but have encountered them in other implementations :)23:06
keriooh, busybox is quite excellent in what it does23:06
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kerioit's just that what it does sucks23:06
ShadowJKAlso NetBSD's sh gets quite a lot of testing, half their build system is written in it23:06
ShadowJK(other half in make)23:07
ShadowJKdependencies and all23:07
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: there's been at least one, which caused fremantle-PR1.0 initscripts cause bootloop when you replaced messybox by proper unixtools23:07
DocScrutinizer05(bug in messybox that is)23:07
WizardNumberNextwhatever, for me being unable to invoke 'ping -s 65517 -i0.2 -f some.ip' as usert is a bug23:07
kerioby the way, shouldn't scripts that depend on busyboxisms use ash as their interpreter?23:07
kerioWizardNumberNext: how about not having a working `su`?23:08
kerioalso, install ping from fremantle/tools23:08
WizardNumberNextsu comes from BB?23:08
kerioand doesn't work, because busybox isn't suid root23:08
WizardNumberNext|I use ping from somewhere else, as BB ping is crap for me - needs root to ping even myself?23:09
WizardNumberNextthat is madness23:09
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kerioping does, indeed, need root access23:09
kerioto open the raw socket to send ICMP packets23:09
WizardNumberNextI even don't won't to see what BB can do to OS while being SUID!23:09
keriothat's why it's usually suid root23:09
keriolike, everywhere23:10
WizardNumberNextwait - I never checked to be honest23:10
WizardNumberNextbut it same difference - you want to use it you still have to be root23:10
ShadowJKping needs root privs, period. :)23:11
WizardNumberNextactually kernel have support for ICMP, but I never checked, if it is bth ways support23:11
WizardNumberNextbut it is still weird to become root just to ping other side of air23:11
DocScrutinizer05messybox can't have root privs, exclamation mark23:12
WizardNumberNextor cable23:12
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: I agree23:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: messybox certainly can have suid root, it's a file - perhaps you meant that it mustn't, exclamation mark and ~211923:13
kerio(does it at least drop the priviledges asap, i wonder)23:13
WizardNumberNextanyway I am going to screw myself with worst OS I ever have seen - M$hit winAwe23:13
WizardNumberNextsee yea, guys23:13
WizardNumberNextI am going to wash my brain23:14
keriohm, it does23:14
keriowell, at least there's that23:14
WizardNumberNexthibernation failed23:15
WizardNumberNextadaucious to blame23:15
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WizardNumberNextwhat this time?23:16
kerioless noise please23:18
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kerioman, that guy is *extenuating*23:34
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keriomerlin1991: it's been more than one hour since you've become the maintainer, and the repos aren't fixed yet!23:35
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merlin1991kerio: :D23:36
merlin1991I can't do anything untill I know how the repos work and there's no docs, so I'll have to wait for that "knowledge transfer"23:36
ShadowJKmerlin1991: you're doing it wrong23:39
ShadowJKmerlin1991: you're supposed to set an out-of-office reply saying "Happy <made up or obscure holiday>!", and go to the pub until Tuesday :D23:39
keriodammit ShadowJK he didn't need to know that23:39
kerioShadowJK: hold on, today is tuesday23:42
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ShadowJKNot THIS tuesday, obviously23:43
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M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: it was cutetube 1.4.123:51
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