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| ccxCZ | any pointers for setting up usb-net on N900? | 00:04 |
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| ccxCZ | nvm, wiki looks good :] | 00:05 |
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| kerio | ccxCZ: as a "client"? | 00:09 |
| ccxCZ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking seems exactly like what I want | 00:09 |
| kerio | meh | 00:09 |
| ccxCZ | you have more exciting approach? | 00:11 |
| kerio | it depends, what do you want to do with it? | 00:11 |
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| kerio | if you're just connecting to something that's sharing a connection, libicd-network-usb | 00:14 |
| ccxCZ | I want to access rsyncd and sshd running on the device | 00:16 |
| ccxCZ | possibly adding more services via xinetd so I don't have to encrypt stuff unnecessarily | 00:17 |
| kerio | so you don't actually care about accessing the internet through usb? | 00:17 |
| kerio | then just ifup usb0 | 00:17 |
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| kerio | and configure your computer to use 192.168.2.14 | 00:17 |
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| teotwaki | NO! | 00:19 |
| teotwaki | That's my IP! | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | no no no, MY | 00:19 |
| ccxCZ | well, I have the .2.0/24 occupied , but I'll just change it in the /etc/network/interfaces | 00:20 |
| kerio | indeed | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | That used to be my ip for SLIP | 00:20 |
| ccxCZ | will play with routes later, so far I just want it syncing my data well | 00:22 |
| kerio | my lan is 192.168.42.0/24 | 00:22 |
| kerio | :D | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | dude that's MY lan | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | srs | 00:22 |
| kerio | nuh uh | 00:22 |
| kerio | i paid for it | 00:22 |
| kerio | i'll sue you for copyright infringement! | 00:22 |
| kerio | on the number 42 | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | dont tell me you also run VPN in 10.0.1.0/24 | 00:23 |
| kerio | i don't have a vpn | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | maybe ill switch lan to 10.42.42.0/24 now | 00:24 |
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| ccxCZ | kerio: no such device error when doing ifup usb0 | 00:26 |
| kerio | ccxCZ: is g_nokia loaded? | 00:26 |
| ccxCZ | I get Device or resource busy when modprobing that | 00:28 |
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| kerio | only one gadget module can be loaded at any given time | 00:28 |
| kerio | if g_nokia isn't loaded, then g_file_storage is loaded | 00:28 |
| kerio | just tap "pc suite mode" in the usb ui | 00:28 |
| kerio | then, if you want, you could disconnect the cable and reconnect it | 00:28 |
| kerio | so it exits pc-suite mode, but g_nokia is still loaded | 00:29 |
| kerio | or just be in pc-suite mode | 00:30 |
| ccxCZ | kthnx, seems to work now, had to ifdown and ifup, probably because of the incomplete ifup with wrong module | 00:33 |
| ccxCZ | gtg, thanks for help | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, our repo uplink just temporarily dropped to 17Mbps (for 1s). then again to 18Mbps | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generally we're ~22Mbps now | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with peaks to 30 | 01:12 |
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| kerio | the important thing is that we have enough, i suppose | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 260 connections | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 days ago we had >4000 | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess everybody got his update resp mirror now and feels happy | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 01:17 |
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| eccerr0r | ls | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 188.117.59.205 => 91.22x.2x.10x 21.3Mb 18.5Mb 13.9Mb | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this dude seems to start over from beginning when finished | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it's a national NAT | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://tica.com.ua/ meh | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | geoIP says Moscow | 01:34 |
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| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, mts/tica are heavily nat'd | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 01:37 |
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| r00t|home | if they use nat anyway, why don't they throw in a transparent proxy... ;) | 01:55 |
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| kerio | in soviet russia, address translates you | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: seems they do, that IP kicks in like mad (>20Mb/s) then 10min later it's gone again | 02:01 |
| teotwaki | well, admittedly, that's 1.5GB of data, also :) | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: anyway, seems you could re-enable your mirror sync | 02:04 |
| teotwaki | is there a point? | 02:04 |
| teotwaki | Nobody has been using it of late | 02:04 |
| teotwaki | Less than 200 hits over the past week. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though not much use in syncing - nuttin changed | 02:04 |
| teotwaki | I'll leave it as it is for the time being | 02:05 |
| teotwaki | once it gets really out of sync, or you guys are less hammered, I'll turn it back on | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll drop a note when autobuilder got fixed so anything *might* change in extras-devel | 02:09 |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: really looking forward to that ! :) | 02:14 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: let me know if you need something tested, etc. | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure. thanks! | 02:15 |
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| Macer | well.. finally ordered an e7 heh | 10:40 |
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| Macer | time to go throwback | 10:40 |
| kerio | an e7? :s | 10:41 |
| Macer | yah | 10:41 |
| Macer | it still has a nokia US warranty | 10:41 |
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| Macer | when i tried to return my n900 after it broke (again) they said it had a eu warranty | 10:42 |
| Macer | wtf kind of shit is that? :) | 10:42 |
| Macer | what if i moved to the US? | 10:42 |
| Macer | heh | 10:42 |
| Macer | but i can't deal with these other 3 anymore | 10:42 |
| Macer | all i need is an xmpp/gtalk client, ssh, and tethering on my phone | 10:43 |
| Macer | browser helps i guess too but i'm sure it has all that | 10:43 |
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| Macer | plus att considers an e7 a "dumb" phone hhe | 10:43 |
| Macer | so hopefully i can lower this retardedly overpriced plan i have | 10:44 |
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| kerio | ah right, you have those weird thing where they can rip you off based on the model of your phone | 10:44 |
| vi____ | e7 a dumb phone?? | 10:44 |
| kerio | vi____: it's a frakkin symbian phone | 10:44 |
| vi____ | why not just get a full retard phone and secretly use a computer fone? | 10:45 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | A lot of companies consider anything without Android, iOS or Windows dumb. | 10:45 |
| kerio | vi____: USofA | 10:45 |
| vi____ | No fone OS I have seen comes close to the PIM integration of symbian. | 10:46 |
| kerio | the place where you pay to receive calls or messages | 10:46 |
| vi____ | really? | 10:46 |
| vi____ | Thats...obscene. | 10:46 |
| vi____ | How can you get away with that? | 10:46 |
| Macer | heh | 10:46 |
| kerio | vi____: USofA | 10:46 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | I also hear they don't have any unlimited data plans. | 10:46 |
| kerio | land of the free, home of the brave | 10:46 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: sadly, that's also true in italy :( | 10:46 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | :/ | 10:47 |
| vi____ | What a shite hole. | 10:47 |
| Macer | sprint advertises unlimited | 10:47 |
| Macer | but i'm sure there are all types of clauses | 10:47 |
| kerio | i pay 5€/month for 100mb/day | 10:47 |
| vi____ | UNLIMITED* | 10:47 |
| kerio | it's a prepaid | 10:47 |
| Macer | yah | 10:47 |
| vi____ | *(not unlimited) | 10:47 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | hah | 10:47 |
| Macer | lol | 10:47 |
| Macer | i can actually deal with 5GB | 10:47 |
| kerio | UNLIMITED* | 10:47 |
| Macer | but the lte plan is retardedly high | 10:47 |
| kerio | *in time, because that's what everybody would understand, right? | 10:47 |
| Macer | without txting (which i think is the biggest racket) my bill is still $100/month | 10:47 |
| vi____ | HOW MUCH????? | 10:48 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | My traffic is slightly over 5GB a month even on a dumb phone like C2 | 10:48 |
| vi____ | what the christ? | 10:48 |
| kerio | well, perhaps he actually uses it | 10:48 |
| Macer | vi____: my att plan is $100/month | 10:48 |
| vi____ | 100$? | 10:48 |
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| Macer | yes | 10:48 |
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| Macer | after taxes etc | 10:48 |
| Macer | the bottom line is $100/month | 10:48 |
| vi____ | does it come with a monthly solid gold blowjob? | 10:48 |
| Macer | i wish | 10:48 |
| kerio | Macer: fun fact: **everywhere in the world** the prices are after taxes | 10:48 |
| kerio | all the time | 10:48 |
| Macer | kerio: lol | 10:48 |
| Macer | not here | 10:48 |
| vi____ | 100$ | 10:48 |
| Macer | they advertise the before taxes and levies pricing | 10:48 |
| vi____ | that is insane. | 10:48 |
| Macer | then you get a bill that's like $30 more | 10:49 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Well, you also use imperial measuring units :D | 10:49 |
| Macer | :) | 10:49 |
| kerio | home of the free, land of the corporations | 10:49 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Different date format | 10:49 |
| Macer | Aoyagi_joytop: american arrogance | 10:49 |
| Macer | ;) | 10:49 |
| Macer | dare to be different! | 10:49 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Dollar sign before the number | 10:49 |
| vi____ | I do not think there is a phone package in the UK for £77. | 10:49 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: instead of "imperial" and "different", start using "wrong" | 10:49 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | hehe | 10:49 |
| kerio | vi____: not even the really high end ones? | 10:49 |
| Macer | kerio: hahaha | 10:49 |
| vi____ | Absolute highest with free iphone9000 is ~£35 max. | 10:50 |
| Macer | yeah.. don't even get me started on "yards" and "gallons" | 10:50 |
| Macer | although a yard is rather close to a meter i suppose heh | 10:50 |
| vi____ | Possibly £40. | 10:50 |
| kerio | my operator has a plan for 70€ with an iphone 5, 3000 minutes, 600 smses, 20gb | 10:50 |
| vi____ | But that would get you unlimited everything. | 10:50 |
| Macer | kerio: omg i wish | 10:50 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | I pay $35 a month and I have unlimited (speed and data) internet and relatively cheap calls/SMS. | 10:50 |
| kerio | but the first plan with a "free" iphone 5 is 30€ | 10:50 |
| Macer | i guess in the US we have to pay for all those people who don't pay their bills heh | 10:50 |
| Macer | i actually changed my number because t-mobile said i had 3 months left on my contract so i gave the phone with the number to someone else for the last 3 months | 10:51 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Macer: You should return them to whatever 3rd world country they came from :D | 10:51 |
| Macer | and i had bill collectors calling the new number i got from att over and over and over | 10:51 |
| kerio | vi____: do people actually use plans? here in italy the majority of people use prepaid cards | 10:51 |
| Macer | Aoyagi_joytop: yeah they don't take too kindly to deporting blacks to africa :-P | 10:51 |
| vi____ | What, ireland? | 10:51 |
| Macer | heh | 10:51 |
| Macer | leshaun was getting bill collectors calling him all day | 10:52 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Was more thinking Mexico and Russia.... | 10:52 |
| Macer | worst one was when i told the person i got the number a few months ago and whoever you are looking for doesn't have it anymore | 10:52 |
| vi____ | I liked the joke about the native American asking the white guy about his immigration problems. | 10:52 |
| Macer | "well.. do you know where he is??" | 10:52 |
| Macer | wtf? | 10:52 |
| Macer | yeah let me track down leshaun the deadbeat for you | 10:52 |
| Macer | vi____: hey... i have no pity for native americans | 10:52 |
| vi____ | o0 | 10:53 |
| Macer | back then it was killed or be killed | 10:53 |
| vi____ | o_o | 10:53 |
| Macer | instead the white man duped them all into fighting each other then took their land once they were done | 10:53 |
| vi____ | Yeah... | 10:53 |
| Macer | that's life.. should have banded together instead of getting took | 10:53 |
| vi____ | That is totally what happened. | 10:53 |
| kerio | hm, a crappier but more common italian operator advertises a plan for 60€/month that has unlimited calls and messages, and "internet without limits up to 42mbps (2GB)" | 10:53 |
| Macer | vi____: in a nutshell | 10:53 |
| Macer | people act like native american tribes never warred against each other | 10:53 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | kerio: Interesting without limits up to. :D | 10:53 |
| vi____ | What has that to do with anything? | 10:54 |
| kerio | fun fact: if you actually used 42mbps, you'd run out in 48 seconds | 10:54 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | haha | 10:54 |
| Macer | because if a tribe is willing to conquer another.. then i don't see why they should be surprised they themselves were conquered | 10:54 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Wait. | 10:54 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | kerio: I think your calculations are wrong. | 10:54 |
| Macer | white men were just another tribe :) | 10:54 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: yeah, forgot an 8 | 10:54 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | xD | 10:54 |
| kerio | 381 seconds | 10:54 |
| kerio | still | 10:54 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Not pad.jpg | 10:55 |
| kerio | oh, and you can pay 15€/month more to get access to the full 70mbps and get 1 more GB | 10:55 |
| kerio | 336 seconds at full speed | 10:55 |
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| Macer | but yeah. i just ordered an e7 | 10:55 |
| Macer | got a new scanner to while i was at it.. a fujitsu snapscan 1500s | 10:55 |
| kerio | i suppose that it's technically unlimited because you don't end up paying more after you run out, you're just throttled down to shit | 10:55 |
| Macer | since it works with sane | 10:55 |
| vi____ | But white man was not just another tribe were they? They had guns and disease. | 10:55 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | kerio: I blame Berlusconi! | 10:56 |
| Macer | vi____: yeah well... all is fair in love and war | 10:56 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: meh, he's actually out of this | 10:56 |
| Macer | they were conquered by the superior force | 10:56 |
| vi____ | o_0 | 10:56 |
| vi____ | Fair?? | 10:56 |
| kerio | weirdly enough, he doesn't have a telco | 10:56 |
| vi____ | war!=genocide. | 10:56 |
| Macer | yes... i mean it isn't like it is happening today... back then people were conquered all the time | 10:57 |
| Macer | there was a war at least once a decade | 10:57 |
| Macer | if they were good enough they wouldn't have gotten beat by whatever means used | 10:57 |
| * kerio fondly remembers the time when rome actually owned all of y'all bitches | 10:57 | |
| Macer | kerio: exactly | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moo maemonians | 10:58 |
| Macer | look at the UK lol | 10:58 |
| kerio | Macer: we tended to integrate the populace, though | 10:58 |
| * Aoyagi_joytop remembers the time when a Czech guy owned Rome and all the beyotches | 10:58 | |
| kerio | mel gibson notwithstanding | 10:58 |
| Macer | they conquered and controlled the largest amount of land ever .. and tha twasn't even that long ago :) | 10:58 |
| vi____ | Rome incorporated the populace into their system. | 10:58 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: Morning. | 10:59 |
| Macer | vi____: and native americans have the ability to do so | 10:59 |
| kerio | Macer: actually, my father always rants about how genghis khan's empire was bigger | 10:59 |
| * vi____ passes DocScrutinizer51 a cup of the black stuff. | 10:59 | |
| Macer | they wish to remain unassimilated | 10:59 |
| Macer | but romans did not go in there with candy bars and happy thoughts | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah right, I forgot | 10:59 |
| Macer | they slaughtered millions | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 10:59 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Macer: They assimilate tourists with their casions :D | 10:59 |
| Macer | Aoyagi_joytop: yeah... seems so :) | 10:59 |
| Macer | and in their defense.. they also gave us tobacco | 11:00 |
| Macer | seems like they got the last laugh | 11:00 |
| kerio | Macer: millions? especially in the beginning, there weren't millions of people | 11:00 |
| Macer | kerio: you're telling me that rome conquoring the known world didn't yield millions of people? | 11:00 |
| kerio | sure, eventuall | 11:00 |
| kerio | y | 11:00 |
| kerio | but millions weren't slaughtered | 11:00 |
| Macer | http://www.worldhistorysite.com/population.html | 11:01 |
| Macer | i'd say there were throughtout the roman empire's history | 11:01 |
| kerio | apart for carthago, there weren't a lot of full-on wars | 11:01 |
| kerio | often there were a couple of battles and then a request of assimilation that was usually accepted | 11:01 |
| Macer | fair enough | 11:01 |
| Macer | either way sounds like the same tactics used on native americans | 11:02 |
| Macer | so native americans can cry me a river | 11:02 |
| vi____ | Well, I cannot think of another example of a population that have been shit upon more than the native americans. I do not think that claiming 'it was a different time' can really justify it. | 11:02 |
| kerio | often the joinee wanted to join, being in the roman (republic|empire) was convenient | 11:02 |
| vi____ | One day. | 11:02 |
| Macer | i didn't ssay it is justified.. but human nature dictates that the one with the ability to conquer back then usually would | 11:02 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | vi____: Have you heard of WWII? | 11:03 |
| kerio | :D | 11:03 |
| Macer | case in point: had africa developed guns prior to europe... there would be a lot of white people singing we shall overcome | 11:03 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Or ancient Egypt and how nicely it treated Israelites? | 11:03 |
| vi____ | Aoyagi_joytop: yes. please explain how that is in anyway relevant. | 11:03 |
| Macer | i mean history has always been brutal | 11:03 |
| Macer | so why are native americans any different? | 11:03 |
| kerio | Macer: they're not | 11:04 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | vi____: "I cannot think of another example of a population that have been shit upon more than the native americans" - relevant to that. | 11:04 |
| Macer | people act like native tribes were happy go lucky living off the land weaving baskets and harvesting corn | 11:04 |
| kerio | it's not an excuse though | 11:04 |
| Macer | which sure they did | 11:04 |
| Macer | but native americans had wars as well | 11:04 |
| Macer | what do you think happened to the losers? | 11:04 |
| vi____ | Yeah but they were purely PvP melee only. | 11:05 |
| kerio | hehe | 11:05 |
| Macer | vi____: like i said.. so what.. just because they weren't as developed doesn't make it any different | 11:05 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | So they would die a bit longer and with bigger pains. | 11:05 |
| vi____ | So you feel nothing? | 11:05 |
| Macer | why would i feel for people who have been dead for hundreds of years? | 11:05 |
| vi____ | When you read about the extermination of a culture, be it native americans or some such you do not care? | 11:06 |
| vi____ | Macer: It is called empathy. | 11:06 |
| Macer | my point wasn't about the morality of it.. but just the nature of the times | 11:06 |
| Macer | and had the native americans won? | 11:06 |
| vi____ | HEY EVERYBODY THE KU KLUX KLAN WAS OK! | 11:06 |
| Macer | banded together and forced the euros out? | 11:07 |
| Macer | heh | 11:07 |
| kerio | Macer: they couldn't win | 11:07 |
| vi____ | THE HOLOCAUST WAS ENTIRELY FINE. | 11:07 |
| Macer | vi____: didn't say it was a good thing.. just saying that the weak are destroyed | 11:07 |
| vi____ | tSAND HOOK WAS AN ACCEPTABLE ACT. | 11:07 |
| Macer | that is how it has always been and always will | 11:07 |
| Macer | be | 11:07 |
| kerio | *sandy | 11:07 |
| vi____ | IT WAS JUST A SIGN OF THE TIMES. | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no politics! | 11:07 |
| Macer | vi____: no. that was just a nut :) | 11:07 |
| kerio | Macer: see what your e7 brought to this channel? | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | official OT call | 11:08 |
| Macer | i know right | 11:08 |
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| Macer | so.. e7 :) as good as n900? | 11:08 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | It's not as open, is it? | 11:08 |
| Macer | was maemo ever truly open? heh | 11:08 |
| vi____ | meh, I cannot even read the wikipedia article on the holocaust without getting weepy. | 11:08 |
| Macer | vi____: yeah well... look what happened to the germans | 11:09 |
| kerio | i know, poor germans :( | 11:09 |
| Macer | the weaker force lost .. and what happened to germany after that? | 11:09 |
| kerio | angela merkel... *shudders* | 11:09 |
| Macer | their country was split until the 1990s | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | official OT call 2 | 11:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but there's nothing IT to talk about! :( | 11:10 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: what is an OT call? | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll notice soon enough | 11:10 |
| kerio | :D | 11:10 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | You know | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ot = Off topic | 11:10 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | This E7 doesn't sound very bad | 11:10 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: freakin angled keyboard | 11:10 |
| Macer | Aoyagi_joytop: i'm not sure of the build quality | 11:10 |
| kerio | like the n950 has | 11:10 |
| Macer | i know the n900 was like..... sad | 11:10 |
| Macer | with breaking pins and modems and usb ports :) | 11:10 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | kerio: That's freaking goooood of freakin baaaad? | 11:11 |
| M4rtinK | the N900 keyboard is IMO better | 11:11 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: bad | 11:11 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Oh. | 11:11 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Well I got used even to the idiotic keyboard N97 has. | 11:11 |
| Macer | so far i nhaven't really noticed many people screaming about their usb port falling off heh | 11:11 |
| Macer | on an e7 that is | 11:11 |
| kerio | not a show breaker by any means, but it's still annoying if you're holding it in a way that lets you see and want to access the keyboard | 11:11 |
| kerio | you have to change the position of your hands | 11:11 |
| Macer | kerio: it doesn't flatten out at all? | 11:11 |
| kerio | Macer: not according to the photos i've seen | 11:12 |
| Macer | i've never used one first hand tbh | 11:12 |
| Macer | but after 2 breaking n900s and these other types of phone OSes.. i think ill go symbian heh | 11:12 |
| kerio | also, we don't actually know how widespread the musb port/modem problems are | 11:12 |
| kerio | just ~usbfix | 11:13 |
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| Macer | at least my n900 still works with wifi | 11:13 |
| Macer | i use it every now and then | 11:13 |
| kerio | oh | 11:13 |
| Macer | kerio: no thanks. tried it once on the first one.. second one had that awkward modem break | 11:13 |
| kerio | just... huh... put springs on top of the modem? i heard it was a thing | 11:13 |
| Macer | and it wasn't the pins | 11:13 |
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| Macer | kerio: i had a G1 for like 3 years without the modem dying or the usb port falling off.. that was probably the only htc phone i had that didn't suck | 11:14 |
| Macer | but android sucks | 11:14 |
| Macer | ios sucks and wp sucks heh | 11:14 |
| Macer | maemo was so awesome but no more devices for it :( | 11:14 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | So E7 is a bit "downgraded" N8 with a keyboard? | 11:14 |
| Macer | yeah pretty much | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn | 11:14 |
| infobot | somebody said xyawn was nap | 11:14 |
| Macer | but the keyboard makes it special :) | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 11:15 |
| Macer | hard to find a good device with a qwerty nowadays | 11:15 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Or good device with any keyboard to begin with. | 11:15 |
| Macer | guess it costs $0.03 less heh | 11:15 |
| Macer | easier to bypass the engineering for a qwerty in favor of a vkb | 11:15 |
| Macer | that eats up half the screen | 11:16 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | I saw this awesome phone... it had both QWERTY and numeric keyboards. | 11:16 |
| Macer | i was using an ssh client on my n900 | 11:16 |
| Macer | er... lumia 900 heh | 11:16 |
| Macer | it was torture because of the vkb | 11:16 |
| Macer | i mean i guess it's great if you can deal with having 3 lines to work with | 11:16 |
| Macer | or constantly closing the vkb | 11:17 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | :/ | 11:17 |
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| Macer | ah well... can't wait to get the scanner too so i can completely ditch having any windows machine | 11:18 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Come to think of it, a friend of mine has E90 :D | 11:22 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Lovely thing. | 11:22 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and nobody is talking anymore :( | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: 250 lurkers prefer that to the alternative of having to cut thru hundreds of pages of noise they didn't come here for | 11:35 |
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| Macer | wow.. an e90 | 12:10 |
| Macer | i was very close to getting one when they came out but didn't.. was too expensive for what it was/did | 12:10 |
| Macer | too bad the e7 doesn't have an sd slot | 12:10 |
| Macer | it was during the nokia "we want to be like apple too" stage | 12:11 |
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| joga | e90 is pretty bulky | 12:26 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | O ye. | 12:27 |
| thedead1440 | Macer: actually I read it somewhere it was due to the silos in Nokia at that time so the N8 got expandable memory while the E7 was another silo so wasn't permitted to use expandable memory; fm transmitter was also omitted for the same reason | 12:27 |
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| ShadowJK | There were a couple of "paired" models, like E* N* pairs. The E variants had aluminium/stainless steel bodies. The N variant was all plastic. E had VoIP, Office Suites, VPN support, etc.. The N variant had mp3 player, media control buttons. | 12:50 |
| ShadowJK | Exact same hw insides, exact same circuit board. Just the body and software differed | 12:51 |
| ShadowJK | and price, of course | 12:51 |
| ShadowJK | No "Ultimate" model with both Productivity and Entertainment sw, metal body and buttons... you had to choose either or, or buy another brand ;) | 12:51 |
| jonwil | You are talking about Symbian phones, correct? | 12:52 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 12:52 |
| jonwil | ok | 12:52 |
| jonwil | Not that anyone cares about Symbian anymore :P | 12:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Android and iOS didn't really exist, so... | 12:53 |
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| jonwil | true, that was then. But this is now and Symbian is dead. | 12:55 |
| jonwil | Even their half-assed "open source" thing didn't actually result in any usable code being released | 12:56 |
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| jonwil | Unlike, say, WebOS where good code has been released | 13:04 |
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| ShadowJK | Why would "Now" be relevant for E7 and E90 topic... | 13:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Macer; I've seen Lumias with detached musb ports :) | 13:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Macer; and first version of E90 the keyboard scratched up the screen.. :/ | 13:29 |
| ShadowJK | It's funny, by the C6, N900, E75 era Nokia had figured out how to make durable sliders (N810 is a bit flimsy)... I don't think the E7/N950 type ever got perfected | 13:31 |
| ShadowJK | technologies get bugfree about the time it gets abandoned, it seems | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | just when they figured out how to avoid getting dust and scratched UNDER the screen, touchscreens came and people started poking and scratching up the frontside instead | 13:33 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect once they get the surface material to not scratch or collect smudges, ts will be osoleted by something else | 13:34 |
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| kerio | the n900's slider is good, right? | 13:34 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | The one model I had in hand was a bit wobbly. | 13:34 |
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| joga | the units I've touched have been ever so slightly different in their feel | 13:39 |
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| kerio | mine doesn't rattle or wob | 13:41 |
| kerio | when it's locked in one of the two positions | 13:41 |
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| pavelm | Hello everyone... | 13:59 |
| pavelm | I'm trying to install syncevolution on n900... but it seems like repositories still have problems...? | 13:59 |
| pavelm | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/syncevolution/syncevolution_1.3-1_armel.deb Hash Sum mismatch | 13:59 |
| kerio | pavelm: some repositories on rmo are in an inconsistent state | 14:00 |
| pavelm | kerio: So... nothing I could fix and just wait? | 14:00 |
| kerio | nothing you could fix, unless you've got write access to the repos :) | 14:00 |
| kerio | the bad thing is, this problem started happening a bit before the migration | 14:00 |
| pavelm | kerio: Ok, thanks :-). I'll try again tummorow. | 14:01 |
| kerio | so mirrors might be in an inconsistent state too | 14:01 |
| pavelm | :-(. | 14:01 |
| kerio | except extras-devel-light :) | 14:01 |
| pavelm | Fun. | 14:01 |
| kerio | pavelm: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ | 14:01 |
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| pavelm | kerio: distribution: fremantle components: free ? | 14:11 |
| kerio | pavelm: components "free non-free" | 14:11 |
| kerio | pavelm: there's also a .install file ready to use, though | 14:12 |
| pavelm | Won't use non-free stuff for now. Thanks a lot! | 14:12 |
| pavelm | Ok... but syncevolution depends on libpcre3 and that is not installable. Too bad. | 14:14 |
| pavelm | Will add non-free, but somehow I doubt it. | 14:14 |
| kerio | it's non-free as in america, not non-free as in american politicians | 14:14 |
| kerio | anyway, libpcre3 is in the nokia repos | 14:16 |
| kerio | perhaps the key issue is affecting you, install libpcre3 with apt-get | 14:16 |
| pavelm | I'll re-enable the nokia repos. I was not sure which are incosistent so I kept just the extras-devel-light | 14:17 |
| kerio | it's recommended to never disable the nokia repos | 14:17 |
| kerio | (apart for ovi - do whatever you want with that) | 14:17 |
| pavelm | Ok :-). This packaging is still black magic to me :-9 | 14:17 |
| pavelm | Wow. Thanks a lot, it is installing now, | 14:18 |
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| ccxCZ | how do I view syslog? is there a syslog daemon running by default? | 14:27 |
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| kerio | there's no syslog running by default | 14:28 |
| kerio | install sysklogd and klogd | 14:29 |
| kerio | but beware of the rootfs usage | 14:29 |
| ccxCZ | is there some log rotation mechanism for it? | 14:31 |
| kerio | only when it starts | 14:31 |
| kerio | (so either manually, or when booting) | 14:31 |
| kerio | if you want it running manually, edit /etc/event.d/sysklogd and /etc/event.d/klogd and comment with a "#" the lines that begin with "start on" | 14:32 |
| ccxCZ | hmm, might be better off running metalog/syslog-ng in the chroot on the mmc | 14:33 |
| ccxCZ | but I need to debug ssh connections first, so here comes sysklogd | 14:33 |
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| warfare | ccxCZ: you can also start /usr/sbin/sshd -dddd -p1234 (full debug output on port 1234) | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi warfare | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: in RL there's no problem with logrotate only done during boot. I only run into problems for this with my development T900 which had uptimes >180days sometimes. A really *used* phone is seeing boots frequently enough for "logrotate" | 14:41 |
| warfare | hi DocScrutinizer05 :) | 14:41 |
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| ccxCZ | well, I'd like to keep high uptime too, but placing the logs on mmc seems sensible in general | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works too | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil doing that iirc, but it has a downside of logs during early boot missing | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall doing more than apt-get syslogd | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes, early boot is missing | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: http://privatepaste.com/1b58ba6011 | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: you forgot you moved the syslog to mmc ;-) | 14:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why do you get localized uptime and i don't? :( | 14:47 |
| ccxCZ | LC_TIME | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, don't have it setup on my current device | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you admitted you might have forgotten last time we talked about it | 14:47 |
| ccxCZ | still no logs from ssh in syslog :/ | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which uptime | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/uptime | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: logging ssh is a bitch | 14:49 |
| ccxCZ | Failed password for invalid user ccx from 192.168.20.14 port 58891 ssh2 | 14:50 |
| ccxCZ | though it's in passwd and su works | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $LC_TIME | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de_DE | 14:51 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i've got LC_TIME too | 14:52 |
| kerio | what's your "uptime" binary? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# uptime --version | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uptime (GNU coreutils) 8.4 | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Copyright © 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. | 14:54 |
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| kerio | ._. no italian in the translations | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not like I'd be happy with de_DE locale | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp for root | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, I don't care enough to fix it | 14:56 |
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| ccxCZ | I find anything but en_US.UTF-8 inconvenient, maybe en_GB could be okay too. And no, english is not my native language :] | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer poor english any time over poor german translations of poor english | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my /query to users id english often even when I know they are German too | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/id is/. | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC and job made me use English way more than German | 15:00 |
| Lava_Croft | english is the langue of computing | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | plain and simple | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: when above logline is from your N900, you got a PEBKAC. Only users on N900 are "user" and "root" | 15:02 |
| Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer05: happen to have played games using the nick DasIro? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:03 |
| Lava_Croft | Different Iro german then :) | 15:03 |
| ccxCZ | DocScrutinizer05: I added it manually, su to the user does work ok | 15:06 |
| kerio | check sshd_config | 15:06 |
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| ccxCZ | I don't see anything limiting the user set | 15:10 |
| kerio | does the home directory exist? | 15:11 |
| kerio | opensshd will reject the login, otherwise | 15:11 |
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| ccxCZ | whoa, I'm in | 15:12 |
| ccxCZ | dunno what happened | 15:12 |
| kerio | sshd being sshd probably | 15:12 |
| ccxCZ | well I know what happened, did restart instead of reload, but I don't recall changing anything since last time | 15:13 |
| ccxCZ | ah darn, I think I know, invalid shell since it only exists in chroot | 15:13 |
| kerio | heheh, that too | 15:13 |
| ccxCZ | (using sshd's ChrootDirectory for that user) | 15:13 |
| kerio | i had to figure out many, many things, when i added ssh support to my dgamelaunch server | 15:14 |
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| kerio | (and yes, i was using ChrootDirectory too :) ) | 15:14 |
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| ccxCZ | was easier on G1/shr since I could just install zsh there | 15:15 |
| ccxCZ | ln -s /bin/sh /bin/zsh # here you go | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: su doesn't work generally, on maemo | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it does. From root | 15:16 |
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| ccxCZ | I see that there's no pam there | 15:17 |
| ccxCZ | and su being non-suid because of busybox | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is no real su in default maemo | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 15:18 |
| ccxCZ | I don't care, I have my chroot now :-) | 15:18 |
| kerio | meh, i'm not entirely sure that anything bad would really happen if you had a suid busybox | 15:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shoots kerio down | 15:18 | |
| ccxCZ | well, easy privilege escalation | 15:18 |
| ccxCZ | /bin/sh -> always root shell | 15:19 |
| kerio | nope, busybox handles that | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't bet anything on that | 15:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: we've got almost-cleartext passwords, if an attacker can run a binary, he's already won | 15:19 |
| kerio | also, try it :) | 15:19 |
| kerio | set it suid root and then run sh | 15:20 |
| kerio | you'll be user | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try what? MESSYBOX? Am i one of the three stooges?? | 15:20 |
| kerio | just temporarily :s | 15:20 |
| kerio | and busybox isn't badly-programmed | 15:20 |
| Raimu | I've never watched the Three Stooges. | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, I bet it isn't badly programmed. Maybe only 5 or 10 loopholes left over, like invoking >>busybox -c exec busybox su -<< in an early startup script that gets run before privileges get dropped | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't get me started about bb-p | 15:24 |
| ccxCZ | since fstab is a lie, how do I automount stuff? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ke-recv doing that for you | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get CSSU ke-recv | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for other stuff, use udev rules | 15:25 |
| ccxCZ | any docs on ke-recv? | 15:25 |
| ccxCZ | ke-recv is only the internal nand? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ke-recv-test | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NAND, uSD, swap | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 15:27 |
| chem|st | [ATTENTION] talk.maemo.org down for maintenance | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC, uSD, swap | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not NAND | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ok | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ETA? | 15:28 |
| ccxCZ | well, I'm now formatting my µSD to ext3 | 15:29 |
| ccxCZ | since I want decent filesystem there | 15:29 |
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| ccxCZ | and I want it to be accessible inside chroot too | 15:29 |
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| ccxCZ | does mount --rbind work on maemo? | 15:30 |
| chem|st | ETA 10-20minutes | 15:30 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but local privilege escalation on maemo is already possible | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help messybox | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 15:32 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 15:32 |
| kerio | i just don't get what you're worried about | 15:33 |
| kerio | stuff malfunctioning? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on what? | 15:33 |
| kerio | with a suidroot /bin/busybox | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on me testing stuff in messybox. YES, *I* will start to malfunction | 15:34 |
| kerio | oh, heh | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get gnu uptime and dummy up! | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually once somebody claims "hey, busybox su *works*, you only need to set suid busybox!" all fools rush over it and start using `su` instead `root` in their fekked scripts | 15:37 |
| kerio | su without a password? | 15:37 |
| kerio | how would that work? | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't give a fart about it | 15:38 |
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| ccxCZ | apparently only vfat gets automounted | 15:38 |
| kerio | ccxCZ: install some flavour of cssu | 15:39 |
| kerio | (possibly testing? i'm not sure if the newer ke-recv is in stable yet) | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messybox is as toxic as it gets, without somebody trying to "improve" it | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: listen to kerio when you can't listen to me | 15:39 |
| damo22 | you shouldnt talk about female genitalia like that | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-06 14:25:23] <DocScrutinizer05> get CSSU ke-recv | 15:40 |
| ccxCZ | I'm fine with mounting manually actually, to the place I want | 15:40 |
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| ccxCZ | what will change if I install that? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will install multiple partitions and different fs on uSD | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/install/mount/ | 15:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: will mount multiple partitions and different fs on uSD | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will mount non-standard fs on eMMC | 15:42 |
| ccxCZ | non-standard == ext3 | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and has a hook to run a script to blacklist particular partitions or volumes from mounting at all | 15:42 |
| ccxCZ | I think I'd rather do this manually, without a script that automagically unmounts stuff | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 15:43 |
| kerio | so do it manually | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who said umount? | 15:43 |
| ccxCZ | isn't that what happens when I remove back cover? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't umount from blacklist. blacklist is to keep it from mounting stuff | 15:44 |
| kerio | when you remove the backcover the uSD is forcibly detached | 15:44 |
| kerio | it's already too late to do anything but hope to cleanup the software side | 15:44 |
| kerio | (major mishap in nokia's part) | 15:44 |
| ccxCZ | :/ | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:44 |
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| kerio | what do you mean by "no"? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | major mishap on kernel driver at best | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uSD remove switch is a property of the MMC hw if | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so a standard feature of all OMAP | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess TI inplemented it | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not Nokia | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not even be surprised if the if itself would power down the uSd hard, on that switch | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe configurable by a config bit in MMC If registers | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (disclaimer: iirc) | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might be able to dual-use switch the function of that pin to GPIO, thus overriding the switch | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably could try to patch the MMC kernel driver | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using info about MMC IF from that 3600pages spruf98d | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better for you and me | 15:54 |
| ccxCZ | live long and prosper :-) | 15:54 |
| ccxCZ | thanks for help | 15:54 |
| ccxCZ | I get quite a lot of DataBufferErr on any heavy USB I/O here :/ | 15:55 |
| ccxCZ | on the PC that is | 15:56 |
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| ccxCZ | how do I run stuff on boot? | 15:58 |
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| kerio | define boot | 15:58 |
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| ccxCZ | after the system has completely started would be fine | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | autostart tag in .desktop | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beware! restarts process when it quits | 16:00 |
| kerio | you could also write an event file in event.d, and start it on... hm, "start on started hildon-desktop" perhaps | 16:01 |
| ccxCZ | couldn't I just shove something in inittab to proper runlevel? | 16:01 |
| kerio | no runlevels, we're using upstart | 16:01 |
| ccxCZ | ic | 16:01 |
| kerio | it's a whole new world of events and not being able to figure out wtf is going on at any given time | 16:01 |
| kerio | great, right | 16:01 |
| ccxCZ | ok, let's say I want to have daemontools running in chroot | 16:02 |
| kerio | wtf is daemontools? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there's still /etc/init.d - it even kinda still works | 16:03 |
| ccxCZ | simple daemon manager, somethin like sysvinit but with more flexible interface | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just don't know *when* | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: I smell ~xy | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy | 16:04 |
| infobot | somebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X. | 16:04 |
| ccxCZ | I want to run daemons inside of my chroot. most likely starting with rsync, more later | 16:05 |
| ccxCZ | daemontools and runit are quite convenient way to manage them | 16:05 |
| ccxCZ | so I don't have to dig around openrc to prevent it trying to boot full system | 16:06 |
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| * ccxCZ plays around with initclt | 16:07 | |
| ccxCZ | I guess writing event.d file for upstart will be quite straightforward | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as straightforward as upstart gets | 16:08 |
| kerio | you have to figure out when you want it to start | 16:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts to smell a xyz-omega problem | 16:08 | |
| kerio | you mean xyzt or xyzwt | 16:09 |
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| ccxCZ | DocScrutinizer05: well yeah. I'm not really interested in maemo, just using it as host system to run my chroot | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: ntpd is a daemon usually run in a chroot | 16:10 |
| kerio | starting stuff on MOUNTS_OK seems like a good idea | 16:11 |
| kerio | or possibly even starting it on started hildon-desktop | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: you basically can't run a full system in a chroot and hope to control its startup from outside, from the host's init | 16:11 |
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| kerio | ccxCZ: you basically can't run a full system in a chroot, period | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | easydeb? | 16:12 |
| ccxCZ | sure, I'm not trying to do that | 16:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it doesn't run its own init | 16:12 |
| kerio | it doesn't run daemons | 16:12 |
| ccxCZ | leaving stuff like udev and mounting outside, services inside | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check out ntpd | 16:12 |
| kerio | usually chrooted daemons are ran in a specially-crafted, minimal chroot | 16:13 |
| kerio | or they do their own chrooting | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're using one chroot per service | 16:13 |
| kerio | for that reason | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the mechanism *starting* the daemon/service, the chroot is irrelevant | 16:14 |
| ccxCZ | completely different use case though | 16:14 |
| ccxCZ | you're talking about security isolation, sure, you want separate chroots for that | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so A) define what you want to do, so we can determine *when* it needs to get started, then B) take care about chrooting the service's environment | 16:15 |
| kerio | ccxCZ: i think i got it now | 16:15 |
| ccxCZ | otoh I'll be living inside my chroot, with shell, accounts and everything | 16:15 |
| ccxCZ | so I want a way to start/stop stuff in there | 16:15 |
| kerio | make an event that runs on MOUNTS_OK, that sets up your chroot | 16:15 |
| kerio | make that fire another event when it's done setting up the chroot, and make the daemons you want running start on that event | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: inside such a chroot you have no idea per definition about outside 2runlevels" | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 16:16 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: ccxCZ: inside such a chroot you have no idea per definition about outside "runlevels" | 16:16 |
| kerio | and of course, you'll have to start them with chroot /path/to/root /usr/sbin/yourdaemond -options | 16:16 |
| n900-dk | shouldn't traceroute be in tools repo? | 16:16 |
| n900-dk | I'm no able to locate it in HAM. | 16:17 |
| kerio | n900-dk: it's probably not a user package | 16:17 |
| ccxCZ | I already have run-executable-in-chroot-with-proper-stuff-mounted script, just wanted to hook it up to init system of the device | 16:17 |
| kerio | yep, it's in the "net" section | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search traceroute | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtr-tiny - Full screen ncurses traceroute tool | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libnet0 - libnet0 | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libnet1-dev - development files for libnet | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libnet1 - library for the construction and handling of network packets | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnome-nettool - GNOME Nettool is a network information tool. | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busybox-power - Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems - enhanced package | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iputils-tracepath - Tools to trace the network path to a remote host | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tcptraceroute - traceroute implementation using TCP packets | 16:18 |
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| ccxCZ | kerio: thanks, I'm digging in the event.d atm | 16:18 |
| kerio | spaaaaaaaaaaam | 16:18 |
| kerio | and you also forgot the last and most important line | 16:18 |
| kerio | traceroute - traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network | 16:18 |
| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, I know, but traceroute is missing from your list | 16:18 |
| kerio | n900-dk: it won't appear in HAM, but it *is* in the fremantle/tools repo | 16:18 |
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| n900-dk | how come it's not in HAM? | 16:19 |
| kerio | because it's not a user package | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing of tools is in ham | 16:19 |
| n900-dk | ohh, I see - thx | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basic rule: cmdline tools need to get installed via cmdline tool (apt) | 16:20 |
| n900-dk | that's why I like apt more :) | 16:20 |
| Lava_Croft | or use FAPMAN | 16:21 |
| * Lava_Croft runs | 16:21 | |
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| jaded | is logging in on maemo.org broken? | 16:26 |
| kerio | jaded: only on the main site | 16:27 |
| jaded | oh, thanks | 16:27 |
| jaded | i was wondering why it didnt work | 16:27 |
| n900-dk | oh, installed stuff from extras without hash mismatch error \o/ me like | 16:28 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | It works for me... | 16:31 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | I mean... the IRC log :D | 16:32 |
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| chem|st | woody14619: ping | 17:12 |
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| timmy | whenever i connect my n900 to the charger or usb it doesn't recharge the battery except sometimes which is randomly. i thought it is a problem which the mini usb connector so i have changed that but it was not, | 17:19 |
| timmy | and also i can't reflash it because when i connect the usb, flasher doesn't recognize it | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: extras *supposed to* be free of hashsum errors | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just updated backupmenu from extras-devel without hashsum error or other problems or delays either | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's just *some* packages on extras-devel that suffer from hashsum-flaw, it seems | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time for some coffee | 17:27 |
| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer05: installation of shortcutd had the hashsum errors yesterday | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh "fine", thanks. So I have a pkg where to check this issue | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather shortcutd is from extras-devel? | 17:32 |
| n900-dk | isn't it from extras? | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know | 17:33 |
| n900-dk | will doublecheck | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly I don't know where from you installed it | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you had e-devel catalog enabled, odds are the version from there got installed | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's hardly anything in extras that has no version of same package in extras-devel as well | 17:36 |
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| n900-dk | hmm, don't know how to see which repos an installed package came from.. | 17:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: upgrading from extras to extras-devel is prohibited, anyway | 17:37 |
| kerio | n900-dk: `apt-cache policy packagename` | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't know if the trustlevels are set up reasonably | 17:37 |
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| kerio | the builtin "maemo.org" (extras) repo has trust 200, every repo you add manually has trust 0 | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so this means no extras package ever gets updated to extras-devel version? | 17:38 |
| n900-dk | it just shows " http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages" | 17:38 |
| kerio | n900-dk: what's the installed one? | 17:38 |
| kerio | also, lol | 17:38 |
| n900-dk | Installed: 0.1.4-1 | 17:39 |
| kerio | yeah, apt-cache kinda sucks | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin apt-cache not showing the most important details on info about a package policy | 17:39 |
| Vrm1 | I take packages from skeiron.org and jacekowski repository, at least it works :) | 17:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: subdomains are free, though | 17:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sips his coffe and wonders if last remark of kerio makes any sense | 17:40 | |
| n900-dk | hmm, will try to uninstall/reinstall and keep an eye on the repos.. | 17:40 |
| * n900-dk yawns at HAM.. | 17:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham | 17:43 |
| infobot | ham is, like, Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 17:43 |
| kerio | n900-dk: were there two versions in the output of apt-cache? | 17:43 |
| kerio | or, well, multiple versions | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal ham | 17:43 |
| infobot | "#maemo ham" is "Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does" | 17:44 |
| n900-dk | kerio: Installed: 0.1.4-1 and Candidate: 0.1.4-1 | 17:44 |
| kerio | n900-dk: what about the list below? | 17:44 |
| kerio | were there two repo entries for 0.1.4-1? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 17:44 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham | 17:45 |
| infobot | ham is probably Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 17:45 |
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| n900-dk | it is from extras | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Version table: | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.1.4-1 0 | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0.1.1-3 0 | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody pretty please patch that apt-cache shite? | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | add an option --Nokia, that outputs full URL, not only base URL | 17:48 |
| kerio | heh, why do you think i asked merlin1991 for subdomains for each mirror? | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 17:48 |
| kerio | http://maemo.org/packages/view/shortcutd/ 0.1.4-1 is in extras and extras-devel | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise those 2 identical lines above wouldn't show up | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for version 1.4 | 17:50 |
| n900-dk | As I can see from HAM log, it installed shortcutd from extras | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it actually installed it? | 17:50 |
| n900-dk | oh yes | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the problem then ;-D | 17:51 |
| n900-dk | no problem :) | 17:51 |
| kerio | "This bug was fixed in the package apt - 0.7.25.3ubuntu2" | 17:51 |
| n900-dk | only that yesterday it gave hash mismatch | 17:51 |
| kerio | * Change the package index Info methods to allow apt-cache policy to be | 17:51 |
| kerio | useful when using several different archives on the same host. | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: I think yesterday it tried to install the extras-devel version | 17:52 |
| n900-dk | hmm, you could be right.. | 17:52 |
| ccxCZ | wher does media player search for files? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh if a .deb is already in local cache, I dunno if it gets downloaded again and thus no hashsum error might show up at all | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: tracker does searchg | 17:53 |
| n900-dk | nm, I just glad it worked now :) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: we're trying to investigate a serious major problem | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WFM doesn't help, but thanks for mentioning your yesterday's problems anyway. Might be a valuable clue | 17:55 |
| n900-dk | I know - can I clear the cache or do some extra testing and try installing? | 17:55 |
| ccxCZ | so where does media tracker search? :] | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could uninstall it, disable extras catalog, then re-install | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: that's mostly defined in trackerd's config | 17:56 |
| n900-dk | will yawn at HAM again ;) | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you may also clear the cache for that particular .deb, but please ask somebody with more expertise about that detail | 17:56 |
| ccxCZ | is there a fm I can rt? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically yes | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 17:57 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has some tweaks done to trackerd config, to throttle it a bit. Anyway you find the config file's name there | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: there's also a tracker-tweaker app | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forgot the name | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache search tracker | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tracker-doc - Tracker documentation package. | 17:59 |
| ccxCZ | khtnx | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I made up that tracker-config app | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | racker-tweaker app, whatever | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: the file is pretty well commented | 18:02 |
| kerio | tracker-cfg - A simple graphical interface for manipulating the meta tracker settings + applying same settings. | 18:02 |
| n900-dk | DocScrutinizer05: Hash mismatch error shows up, when installing shortcutd from extras-devel | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ccxCZ: /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yup, thanks | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: thought as much. Thanks, buddy! | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: I gather it doesn't install then? | 18:05 |
| n900-dk | n900-dk: Yes, it fails and wont install | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:05 |
| kerio | well, fixing the current situation isn't that difficult, the problem will be figuring out what caused it and preventing it from happening again | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, kinda | 18:06 |
| n900-dk | hmm, talking to myself :) Let me know if I can do anything to contribute | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 is our maintainer for that, having a look into it right now | 18:07 |
| kerio | i wonder if older Packages files are backed-up | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900-dk: not talking to yourself, I noticed your answer. Thanks! | 18:07 |
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| kerio | yeah, any help is very much appreciated | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: older as in... ? | 18:08 |
| kerio | as in the previous Packages files | 18:09 |
| kerio | so we can go and check them against the .debs | 18:09 |
| kerio | to see when the first problem appeared | 18:09 |
| kerio | the .debs are all stored, anyway | 18:09 |
| kerio | and they shouldn't change | 18:09 |
| kerio | so old Packages files will still be valid | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: not even older pkg versions are kept, the less any backups of a previous buid of same version | 18:10 |
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| kerio | are you kidding me? repos on repository.maemo.org keep all the versions | 18:10 |
| kerio | don't they? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think so | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you can see "package version removed" in every package, on packages interface | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~package | 18:11 |
| infobot | from memory, package is simply not installable and a bug report against | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~packages | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 18:11 |
| infobot | well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 18:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/view/openmediaplayer/ haha look at the log | 18:11 |
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| kerio | anyway, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/o/openmediaplayer/ has 5 versions | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUU*CK?!! | 18:12 |
| kerio | oh, and the version that was deleted a billion times is still there | 18:13 |
| Vrm1 | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/o/openmediaplayer/ | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2012-08-15 15:18 2012-08-16 20:42 2012-08-16 20:45 2012-09-12 17:13 ... 2012-09-16 23:55 2012-12-28 11:10 2012-12-28 11:46 ... 2013-01-14 07:54 2013-01-14 08:32 | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: ^^^^ | 18:17 |
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| n900-dk | md5sum is the same for shortcutd deb files in extras and extra-devels | 18:17 |
| kerio | n900-dk: it's -devel's Packages file that lists a wrong md5sum | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali or kerio are the experts to look into that whole checksum mess | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: let me bet *which* checksum it lists ;-) | 18:19 |
| kerio | i'm an "expert" in the sense that at some point i gave a quick look to the debian maintainer guide and the repository howto :s | 18:19 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm actually lost, which checksum? | 18:19 |
| kerio | empty file? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could it be the checksum of a package that's meant to have been reoved? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removed* | 18:20 |
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| kerio | oh | 18:20 |
| kerio | oooooooh | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/shortcutd/ looks fishy. Why isn't there *any* version on most recent 4 events in log? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/shortcutd// 404 | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shortcutd Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2011-12-02 14:42 | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which version got imported? | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shortcutd 0.1.4-1Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2010-12-13 18:10 UTC <-- seems to be the last proper import to extras-devel | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: please check this ^^^^ | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/shortcutd/0.1.4-1/ >>MD5sum: 4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c<< | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now we could use the names of some other pkgs with hashsum error, to check if they look alike this mess with shortcutd | 18:35 |
| kerio | hold on, that md5sum is correct | 18:35 |
| kerio | isn't it | 18:35 |
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| n900-dk | yes it is | 18:39 |
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| n900-dk | could it be that the extra-devel repos is still in a update process state? | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 18:55 |
| Vrm1 | Me threw extras-testing error hash, so testing was enough to turn off and turn on devel. And install the application. Devel is incredibly great about 43 436 items with a total size of 45.7 gigabytes :) | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so you say the md5sum 4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c is correct for the package in extras-devel, but the sum in packages.gz (or whatever) is wrong? | 18:56 |
| kerio | i suppose so | 18:57 |
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| woody14619 | I seem to recall X-Fade re-indexing the repos several times over the past few months.... | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so the hashsum in packages.gz is of that last even that didn't result in any proper package, I guess | 18:58 |
| woody14619 | This may have been part of the reason for doing so? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ even / event / | 18:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: kerio: so the hashsum in packages.gz is of that last event that didn't result in any proper package, I guess | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody14619: obviously | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody14619: check [2013-02-06 17:25:20] <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/view/shortcutd/ looks fishy. Why isn't there *any* version on most recent 4 events in log? | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-06 17:27:29] <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/shortcutd// 404 | 18:59 |
| woody14619 | le sigh.... :P | 18:59 |
| kerio | i can't fucking finish a download from repository.maemo.org | 19:00 |
| kerio | warfare: connections are cut for some reason | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 19:00 |
| woody14619 | It's not nice to fuck the Finnish kerio. ;) | 19:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: one ended at 7.6MB, another at 8.9MB | 19:00 |
| kerio | out of 9.2 | 19:00 |
| kerio | sorry, out of 9.9 | 19:00 |
| woody14619 | wget -c is your friend. :) | 19:01 |
| Vrm1 | :) | 19:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yep, Packages reports MD5sum: fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c0577436f for shortcutd 0.1.4-1 | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: uplink 33..56Mb/s, 529 connections | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc why your downloads abort | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the abort reason? | 19:04 |
| n900-dk | kerio: How do you see, that packages reports this MD5sum? | 19:04 |
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| kerio | n900-dk: i downloaded Packages, and i read it | 19:04 |
| kerio | it's a text file | 19:04 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "download completed", says firefox | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .gz, no? | 19:04 |
| kerio | fine, i downloaded packages.bz2, i unpacked it, and i read it | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, downloads with firefox never really worked | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen exactly this early termination without any error msg sooooo many times, with FF | 19:06 |
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| woody14619 | Odd... I use FF all the time and never see this. :P May depend on the version (which changes daily now...) | 19:07 |
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| * woody14619 waits for then to return to version = date... at least then they'll limit to 1 update a day... | 19:08 | |
| n900-dk | kerio: where to download the packages.bz2? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, admittedly last time I heard of a mass complaint of "file corrupted after download via FF" is a few years into the past | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but anyway, download by FF sounds fishy to me | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess it's been the reason to publish md5sums for everything and recommend to check your downloaded files. I never heard of similar problems with wget | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it might abort, but throws proper error msg then | 19:11 |
| kerio | Connection closed at byte 9463420. Retrying. | 19:13 |
| kerio | damn wget why you so smooth | 19:13 |
| * kerio shakes his fist at firefox | 19:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | woody14619: they more likely will use <year><week><4_digit_release_in_week> | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're behind a NAT? | 19:14 |
| kerio | no | 19:14 |
| kerio | well | 19:14 |
| kerio | my router/access point | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might kick out your session with timeout | 19:15 |
| kerio | nonsense, it's downloading | 19:15 |
| kerio | at 316KB/s | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when download stalls for a while | 19:15 |
| kerio | it wasn't stalling at all, it was going quite fast | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strange | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what signal or event closed the connection then | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: could we look into that? ^^^^ | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you might use wireshark to do deeper analysis | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | limit logging to packets that have repo's IP in to or from | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the last few packets should have an idication why the connection got closed | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least who closed it | 19:19 |
| n900-dk | kerio: Yeah, you are right. Packages for extras-devel report MD5sum fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c0577436f compared to Packages for extras, that report MD5sum 4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c, which is the right one | 19:20 |
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| n900-dk | guess that is what you already figured out.. - just had to convince myself ;) | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: sorry, I already forgot which been the package where _you_ seen a hashsum error | 19:22 |
| n900-dk | guess it was kmplayer, but not sure which version.. | 19:24 |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: cutetube 1.41 | 19:25 |
| M4rtinK | 1.4.1 | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | np :) | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/cutetube/1.4.1/ this one? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops no | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/cutetube/1.4.1/ | 19:28 |
| kerio | yep, wrong md5sum | 19:29 |
| kerio | it's correct in the web interface though | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cutetube 1.4.1Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2012-10-10 13:42 UTC | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks all sane | 19:29 |
| n900-dk | It's wrong in the Packages file | 19:30 |
| n900-dk | correct one: a05b00fb816ac04cfb1d01dbb2da6ece - wrong in packages: 816ac04cfb1d01dbb2da6ece44460add | 19:30 |
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| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: yep. | 19:31 |
| warfare | should be better now. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: what's been the problem? | 19:32 |
| warfare | I probably set the netfilter timeout too low. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 19:32 |
| kerio | >:( | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's actually been a "NAT" that kicked out the connection with timeout, jist not on kerio's side ;-D | 19:33 |
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| kerio | heh, i was about to blame varnish :) | 19:33 |
| warfare | not a nat ;) | 19:34 |
| warfare | the firewall also uses conntrack. | 19:34 |
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| ccxCZ | what players are out there that can do mp3 offload? fwiu the stoc player is gst based, right? | 19:35 |
| kerio | "offload" to the dsp? | 19:36 |
| kerio | no player that i know of does | 19:36 |
| kerio | media player/openmediaplayer/mafw/gstreamer only uses the dsp for video | 19:36 |
| ccxCZ | not even stock one? | 19:37 |
| kerio | which is a shame, although you wouldn't gain much | 19:37 |
| ccxCZ | battery life.. | 19:38 |
| n900-dk | Is it enough just to created new Packages.bz2 to fix hashsum mismatch error? | 19:38 |
| ccxCZ | dunno really what would the difference would be | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: (not a NAT) that's why I put it into ticks | 19:38 |
| kerio | ccxCZ: iirc the last time i asked that question, freemangordon said that it would use about the same energy, and you'd get a bit more latency | 19:38 |
| kerio | (he's the 720p dude) | 19:39 |
| kerio | (so i assume he knows his shit) | 19:39 |
| ccxCZ | kthnx, then I'll stop worrying about it | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no difference between ARM CPU or DSP decoding audio | 19:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: except that the DSP can't be used to render web pages | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and neither to fry toast | 19:41 |
| Skry | uhh, there's even linux distro for that particular dsp so I guess it can be programmed to do that too | 19:41 |
| kerio | yeah but it's not unreasonable to want to listen to a song while browsing the web | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe it can do sexual service to you | 19:41 |
| kerio | :O | 19:41 |
| kerio | really? | 19:41 |
| * kerio goes to read the datasheet | 19:42 | |
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| ccxCZ | well, if the dsp does not have it implemented in silicon, there's really no point to offloading there | 19:43 |
| pwnguin | does maemo run on anything newer than the n900? | 19:43 |
| n900-dk | kerio: should new packages file be created to fix the issue with extras repo? | 19:45 |
| kerio | idk | 19:45 |
| kerio | pwnguin: nope | 19:45 |
| kerio | too many | 19:45 |
| kerio | ~closed | 19:45 |
| infobot | closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 19:45 |
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| n900-dk | Who can create a new packages list? | 19:47 |
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| kerio | waaaaait, osuosl staff? | 19:48 |
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| n900-dk | ~osuosl | 19:50 |
| kerio | n900-dk: no, not to you | 19:50 |
| kerio | n900-dk: merlin1991 has the bureaucratic responsibility for it, i'm not sure if he can actually do that at the moment, however | 19:51 |
| n900-dk | ohh, thought it was short for something creepy | 19:51 |
| n900-dk | kerio: ok, we will wait and see | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: huh? | 19:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: pwnguin's hostname | 19:53 |
| kerio | hostmask cloak, or whatever | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I knew it | 19:53 |
| * kerio feels bad :( | 19:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, that's probably been our hosting at osuosl | 19:54 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if he would have preferred a comforting lie | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I asked our sysops in spe NOT to send a mail asking for hosting, but tather deliver general info to council, so *we* could approach them | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org != fremantle_(C)Nokia | 19:56 |
| kerio | fremantle is usually what people mean by "maemo", though | 19:57 |
| kerio | or possibly the old distros, but... | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a flying F what people usually mean | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, I don't since that pwnguin fell for the same missconception | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on that stuff in our sysop channel, since khm sent a mail to them asking if they'd be interested in hosting maemo | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I been afraid exactly this to happen. I hate it to be right, sometimes | 20:00 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: just FYI: http://www.linkedin.com/in/justindugger | 20:10 |
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| merlin1991 | anybody kept a list of the hashsum madness packages? | 20:10 |
| merlin1991 | hm wait can't do squat, wrong ssh priv key here | 20:10 |
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| n900-dk | merlin1991: eg. shortcutd 0.1.4-1 and cutetube 1.4.1 | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | n900-dk: cutetube 1.4.1 works fine | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | (at least here) | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | and I checked the checksum on the repo | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | though I suggest running apt-get upgrade once before checking it again | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | it seems the server got sane(er) at some point | 20:20 |
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| n900-dk | merlin1991: How come the MD5sum in packages.bz2 for cutetube 1.4.1 isn't the same as for the cutetube_1.4.1_armel.deb file? | 20:24 |
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| n900-dk | in extras-devel! | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | I only checked the plain packages file | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | damn need todo the compressed ones too | 20:25 |
| kerio | ...no you don't? you just need to compress the Packages file | 20:30 |
| kerio | unless you mean building Release | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: I first need to check if the files on the repo are actually foobar | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | then I can go find a way to rebuild them from Packages and sign the result | 20:31 |
| kerio | merlin1991: lintian all the .debs? | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: don't worry about pwnguin, I caught him with a /query and put things straight :-D | 20:39 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he asked the wrong question, for his purpose | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda, maybe | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, no damage done | 20:40 |
| kerio | hm, and now i kinda miss not being the dude who screwed up the free osuosl hosting :D | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which would be quite nice if it happens | 20:44 |
| RiD | argh stupid battery | 20:45 |
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| RiD | if this thing shuts off while transferring files i'll get mad | 20:46 |
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| n900-dk | Does HAM keep the packages.bz2 in memory, or does it keep a local file copy? | 20:49 |
| kerio | n900-dk: /var/cache/apt/lists | 20:49 |
| n900-dk | dont have this file | 20:50 |
| kerio | er, sorry | 20:51 |
| kerio | /var/lib/apt/lists | 20:51 |
| n900-dk | these files are downloaded every time HAM updates? | 20:57 |
| kerio | if they're changed | 20:59 |
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| kerio | we actually don't know if apt-worker would support pdiffs | 21:00 |
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| kerio | (incremental downloads) | 21:00 |
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| n900-dk | ohh, I see. Could just see that list directory disappered, and showed up again, when I updated. | 21:02 |
| n900-dk | but guess the list dir was moved to list.new | 21:02 |
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| fruct | hello all! please help me run backssh session in background? (on maemo 5) | 21:39 |
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| andre__ | meh, https://bugs.maemo.org/ says DBD::mysql::db do failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction [for Statement "UPDATE logincookies SET lastused = NOW() WHERE cookie = ?"] at Bugzilla/Auth/Login/Cookie.pm line 83 | 22:10 |
| andre__ | HELP! | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | andre__: !!!! :-) | 22:14 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, hypothetically, if we moved to osuosl, could we avoid the double migration? | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the plan :-) | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see if it pans out | 22:28 |
| kerio | i wonder how they'll react when we tell them about the 12 VMs | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they already know, that's not scary for them | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually rather on the lower end of what they're willing to deal with | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a "too small for us" on osuosl | 22:29 |
| kerio | :o | 22:29 |
| kerio | hey, we still have 40k users | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's just ok for them | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 22:30 |
| wulfe | lol | 22:30 |
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| wulfe | kinda sad when you go in to a deal thinking "yeah were bad ass" and they respond with "oh thats all?" | 22:31 |
| kerio | it's even worse when you go in thinking "i hope it's not too much" and you get "nope, too little" | 22:31 |
| wulfe | still though were probably the most dedicated linux users that are out there. | 22:32 |
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| kerio | hahahaha | 22:35 |
| kerio | funny | 22:35 |
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| n900-dk | Why is the lastest announcement on maemo.org from 2010?? | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good question | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some blamed migration hickups | 22:48 |
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| n900-dk | there were newer announcements before migration? | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another good question | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | I think there weren't | 22:54 |
| n900-dk | guess nothing happend since 2010 then ;) | 22:56 |
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