IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-02-06

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ccxCZany pointers for setting up usb-net on N900?00:04
ccxCZnvm, wiki looks good :]00:05
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kerioccxCZ: as a "client"?00:09
ccxCZ seems exactly like what I want00:09
ccxCZyou have more exciting approach?00:11
kerioit depends, what do you want to do with it?00:11
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kerioif you're just connecting to something that's sharing a connection, libicd-network-usb00:14
ccxCZI want to access rsyncd and sshd running on the device00:16
ccxCZpossibly adding more services via xinetd so I don't have to encrypt stuff unnecessarily00:17
kerioso you don't actually care about accessing the internet through usb?00:17
keriothen just ifup usb000:17
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kerioand configure your computer to use
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teotwakiThat's my IP!00:19
M4rtinKno no no, MY00:19
ccxCZwell, I have the .2.0/24 occupied , but I'll just change it in the /etc/network/interfaces00:20
ShadowJKThat used to be my ip for SLIP00:20
ccxCZwill play with routes later, so far I just want it syncing my data well00:22
keriomy lan is
ShadowJKdude that's MY lan00:22
kerionuh uh00:22
kerioi paid for it00:22
kerioi'll sue you for copyright infringement!00:22
kerioon the number 4200:23
ShadowJKdont tell me you also run VPN in
kerioi don't have a vpn00:23
ShadowJKmaybe ill switch lan to now00:24
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ccxCZkerio: no such device error when doing ifup usb000:26
kerioccxCZ: is g_nokia loaded?00:26
ccxCZI get Device or resource busy when modprobing that00:28
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kerioonly one gadget module can be loaded at any given time00:28
kerioif g_nokia isn't loaded, then g_file_storage is loaded00:28
keriojust tap "pc suite mode" in the usb ui00:28
keriothen, if you want, you could disconnect the cable and reconnect it00:28
kerioso it exits pc-suite mode, but g_nokia is still loaded00:29
kerioor just be in pc-suite mode00:30
ccxCZkthnx, seems to work now, had to ifdown and ifup, probably because of the incomplete ifup with wrong module00:33
ccxCZgtg, thanks for help00:34
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DocScrutinizer05haha, our repo uplink just temporarily dropped to 17Mbps (for 1s). then again to 18Mbps01:11
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DocScrutinizer05generally we're ~22Mbps now01:12
DocScrutinizer05with peaks to 3001:12
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keriothe important thing is that we have enough, i suppose01:13
DocScrutinizer05260 connections01:13
DocScrutinizer052 days ago we had >400001:14
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DocScrutinizer05I guess everybody got his update resp mirror now and feels happy01:16
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DocScrutinizer05188.117.59.205                                                        => 91.22x.2x.10x                                                         21.3Mb  18.5Mb  13.9Mb01:25
DocScrutinizer05this dude seems to start over from beginning when finished01:26
DocScrutinizer05or it's a national NAT01:26
DocScrutinizer05 meh01:29
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DocScrutinizer05geoIP says Moscow01:34
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: yeah, mts/tica are heavily nat'd01:37
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r00t|homeif they use nat anyway, why don't they throw in a transparent proxy... ;)01:55
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kerioin soviet russia, address translates you01:58
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DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: seems they do, that IP kicks in like mad (>20Mb/s) then 10min later it's gone again02:01
teotwakiwell, admittedly, that's 1.5GB of data, also :)02:02
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: anyway, seems you could re-enable your mirror sync02:04
teotwakiis there a point?02:04
teotwakiNobody has been using it of late02:04
teotwakiLess than 200 hits over the past week.02:04
DocScrutinizer05though not much use in syncing - nuttin changed02:04
teotwakiI'll leave it as it is for the time being02:05
teotwakionce it gets really out of sync, or you guys are less hammered, I'll turn it back on02:05
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DocScrutinizer05I'll drop a note when autobuilder got fixed so anything *might* change in extras-devel02:09
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M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: really looking forward to that ! :)02:14
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: let me know if you need something tested, etc.02:14
DocScrutinizer05sure. thanks!02:15
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Macerwell.. finally ordered an e7 heh10:40
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Macertime to go throwback10:40
kerioan e7? :s10:41
Macerit still has a nokia US warranty10:41
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Macerwhen i tried to return my n900 after it broke (again) they said it had a eu warranty10:42
Macerwtf kind of shit is that? :)10:42
Macerwhat if i moved to the US?10:42
Macerbut i can't deal with these other 3 anymore10:42
Macerall i need is an xmpp/gtalk client, ssh, and tethering on my phone10:43
Macerbrowser helps i guess too but i'm sure it has all that10:43
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Macerplus att considers an e7 a "dumb" phone hhe10:43
Macerso hopefully i can lower this retardedly overpriced plan i have10:44
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kerioah right, you have those weird thing where they can rip you off based on the model of your phone10:44
vi____e7 a dumb phone??10:44
keriovi____: it's a frakkin symbian phone10:44
vi____why not just get a full retard phone and secretly use a computer fone?10:45
Aoyagi_joytopA lot of companies consider anything without Android, iOS or Windows dumb.10:45
keriovi____: USofA10:45
vi____No fone OS I have seen comes close to the PIM integration of symbian.10:46
keriothe place where you pay to receive calls or messages10:46
vi____How can you get away with that?10:46
keriovi____: USofA10:46
Aoyagi_joytopI also hear they don't have any unlimited data plans.10:46
kerioland of the free, home of the brave10:46
kerioAoyagi_joytop: sadly, that's also true in italy :(10:46
vi____What a shite hole.10:47
Macersprint advertises unlimited10:47
Macerbut i'm sure there are all types of clauses10:47
kerioi pay 5€/month for 100mb/day10:47
kerioit's a prepaid10:47
vi____*(not unlimited)10:47
Maceri can actually deal with 5GB10:47
Macerbut the lte plan is retardedly high10:47
kerio*in time, because that's what everybody would understand, right?10:47
Macerwithout txting (which i think is the biggest racket) my bill is still $100/month10:47
vi____HOW MUCH?????10:48
Aoyagi_joytopMy traffic is slightly over 5GB a month even on a dumb phone like C210:48
vi____what the christ?10:48
keriowell, perhaps he actually uses it10:48
Macervi____: my att plan is $100/month10:48
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Macerafter taxes etc10:48
Macerthe bottom line is $100/month10:48
vi____does it come with a monthly solid gold blowjob?10:48
Maceri wish10:48
kerioMacer: fun fact: **everywhere in the world** the prices are after taxes10:48
kerioall the time10:48
Macerkerio: lol10:48
Macernot here10:48
Macerthey advertise the before taxes and levies pricing10:48
vi____that is insane.10:48
Macerthen you get a bill that's like $30 more10:49
Aoyagi_joytopWell, you also use imperial measuring units :D10:49
keriohome of the free, land of the corporations10:49
Aoyagi_joytopDifferent date format10:49
MacerAoyagi_joytop: american arrogance10:49
Macerdare to be different!10:49
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Aoyagi_joytopDollar sign before the number10:49
vi____I do not think there is a phone package in the UK for £77.10:49
kerioAoyagi_joytop: instead of "imperial" and "different", start using "wrong"10:49
keriovi____: not even the really high end ones?10:49
Macerkerio: hahaha10:49
vi____Absolute highest with free iphone9000 is ~£35 max.10:50
Maceryeah.. don't even get me started on "yards" and "gallons"10:50
Maceralthough a yard is rather close to a meter i suppose heh10:50
vi____Possibly £40.10:50
keriomy operator has a plan for 70€ with an iphone 5, 3000 minutes, 600 smses, 20gb10:50
vi____But that would get you unlimited everything.10:50
Macerkerio: omg i wish10:50
Aoyagi_joytopI pay $35 a month and I have unlimited (speed and data) internet and relatively cheap calls/SMS.10:50
keriobut the first plan with a "free" iphone 5 is 30€10:50
Maceri guess in the US we have to pay for all those people who don't pay their bills heh10:50
Maceri actually changed my number because t-mobile said i had 3 months left on my contract so i gave the phone with the number to someone else for the last 3 months10:51
Aoyagi_joytopMacer: You should return them to whatever 3rd world country they came from :D10:51
Macerand i had bill collectors calling the new number i got from att over and over and over10:51
keriovi____: do people actually use plans? here in italy the majority of people use prepaid cards10:51
MacerAoyagi_joytop: yeah they don't take too kindly to deporting blacks to africa :-P10:51
vi____What, ireland?10:51
Macerleshaun was getting bill collectors calling him all day10:52
Aoyagi_joytopWas more thinking Mexico and Russia....10:52
Macerworst one was when i told the person i got the number a few months ago and whoever you are looking for doesn't have it anymore10:52
vi____I liked the joke about the native American asking the white guy about his immigration problems.10:52
Macer"well.. do you know where he is??"10:52
Maceryeah let me track down leshaun the deadbeat for you10:52
Macervi____: hey... i have no pity for native americans10:52
Macerback then it was killed or be killed10:53
Macerinstead the white man duped them all into fighting each other then took their land once they were done10:53
Macerthat's life.. should have banded together instead of getting took10:53
vi____That is totally what happened.10:53
keriohm, a crappier but more common italian operator advertises a plan for 60€/month that has unlimited calls and messages, and "internet without limits up to 42mbps (2GB)"10:53
Macervi____: in a nutshell10:53
Macerpeople act like native american tribes never warred against each other10:53
Aoyagi_joytopkerio: Interesting without limits up to. :D10:53
vi____What has that to do with anything?10:54
keriofun fact: if you actually used 42mbps, you'd run out in 48 seconds10:54
Macerbecause if a tribe is willing to conquer another.. then i don't see why they should be surprised they themselves were conquered10:54
Aoyagi_joytopkerio: I think your calculations are wrong.10:54
Macerwhite men were just another tribe :)10:54
kerioAoyagi_joytop: yeah, forgot an 810:54
kerio381 seconds10:54
Aoyagi_joytopNot pad.jpg10:55
keriooh, and you can pay 15€/month more to get access to the full 70mbps and get 1 more GB10:55
kerio336 seconds at full speed10:55
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Macerbut yeah. i just ordered an e710:55
Macergot a new scanner to while i was at it.. a fujitsu snapscan 1500s10:55
kerioi suppose that it's technically unlimited because you don't end up paying more after you run out, you're just throttled down to shit10:55
Macersince it works with sane10:55
vi____But white man was not just another tribe were they?  They had guns and disease.10:55
Aoyagi_joytopkerio: I blame Berlusconi!10:56
Macervi____: yeah well... all is fair in love and war10:56
kerioAoyagi_joytop: meh, he's actually out of this10:56
Macerthey were conquered by the superior force10:56
kerioweirdly enough, he doesn't have a telco10:56
Maceryes... i mean it isn't like it is happening today... back then people were conquered all the time10:57
Macerthere was a war at least once a decade10:57
Macerif they were good enough they wouldn't have gotten beat by whatever means used10:57
* kerio fondly remembers the time when rome actually owned all of y'all bitches10:57
Macerkerio: exactly10:57
DocScrutinizer05moo maemonians10:58
Macerlook at the UK lol10:58
kerioMacer: we tended to integrate the populace, though10:58
* Aoyagi_joytop remembers the time when a Czech guy owned Rome and all the beyotches10:58
keriomel gibson notwithstanding10:58
Macerthey conquered and controlled the largest amount of land ever .. and tha twasn't even that long ago :)10:58
vi____Rome incorporated the populace into their system.10:58
vi____DocScrutinizer05: Morning.10:59
Macervi____: and native americans have the ability to do so10:59
kerioMacer: actually, my father always rants about how genghis khan's empire was bigger10:59
* vi____ passes DocScrutinizer51 a cup of the black stuff.10:59
Macerthey wish to remain unassimilated10:59
Macerbut romans did not go in there with candy bars and happy thoughts10:59
DocScrutinizer05aaah right, I forgot10:59
Macerthey slaughtered millions10:59
Aoyagi_joytopMacer: They assimilate tourists with their casions :D10:59
MacerAoyagi_joytop: yeah... seems so :)10:59
Macerand in their defense.. they also gave us tobacco11:00
Macerseems like they got the last laugh11:00
kerioMacer: millions? especially in the beginning, there weren't millions of people11:00
Macerkerio: you're telling me that rome conquoring the known world didn't yield millions of people?11:00
keriosure, eventuall11:00
keriobut millions weren't slaughtered11:00
Maceri'd say there were throughtout the roman empire's history11:01
kerioapart for carthago, there weren't a lot of full-on wars11:01
keriooften there were a couple of battles and then a request of assimilation that was usually accepted11:01
Macerfair enough11:01
Macereither way sounds like the same tactics used on native americans11:02
Macerso native americans can cry me a river11:02
vi____Well, I cannot think of another example of a population that have been shit upon more than the native americans.  I do not think that claiming 'it was a different time' can really justify it.11:02
keriooften the joinee wanted to join, being in the roman (republic|empire) was convenient11:02
vi____One day.11:02
Maceri didn't ssay it is justified.. but human nature dictates that the one with the ability to conquer back then usually would11:02
Aoyagi_joytopvi____: Have you heard of WWII?11:03
Macercase in point: had africa developed guns prior to europe... there would be a lot of white people singing we shall overcome11:03
Aoyagi_joytopOr ancient Egypt and how nicely it treated Israelites?11:03
vi____Aoyagi_joytop: yes.  please explain how that is in anyway relevant.11:03
Maceri mean history has always been brutal11:03
Macerso why are native americans any different?11:03
kerioMacer: they're not11:04
Aoyagi_joytopvi____: "I cannot think of another example of a population that have been shit upon more than the native americans" - relevant to that.11:04
Macerpeople act like native tribes were happy go lucky living off the land weaving baskets and harvesting corn11:04
kerioit's not an excuse though11:04
Macerwhich sure they did11:04
Macerbut native americans had wars as well11:04
Macerwhat do you think happened to the losers?11:04
vi____Yeah but they were purely PvP melee only.11:05
Macervi____: like i said.. so what.. just because they weren't as developed doesn't make it any different11:05
Aoyagi_joytopSo they would die a bit longer and with bigger pains.11:05
vi____So you feel nothing?11:05
Macerwhy would i feel for people who have been dead for hundreds of years?11:05
vi____When you read about the extermination of a culture, be it native americans or some such you do not care?11:06
vi____Macer: It is called empathy.11:06
Macermy point wasn't about the morality of it.. but just the nature of the times11:06
Macerand had the  native americans won?11:06
Macerbanded together and forced the euros out?11:07
kerioMacer: they couldn't win11:07
Macervi____: didn't say it was a good thing.. just saying that the weak are destroyed11:07
Macerthat is how it has always been and always will11:07
DocScrutinizer05no politics!11:07
Macervi____: no. that was just a nut :)11:07
kerioMacer: see what your e7 brought to this channel?11:08
DocScrutinizer05official OT call11:08
Maceri know right11:08
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Macerso.. e7 :) as good as n900?11:08
Aoyagi_joytopIt's not as open, is it?11:08
Macerwas maemo ever truly open? heh11:08
vi____meh, I cannot even read the wikipedia article on the holocaust without getting weepy.11:08
Macervi____: yeah well... look what happened to the germans11:09
kerioi know, poor germans :(11:09
Macerthe weaker force lost .. and what happened to germany after that?11:09
kerioangela merkel... *shudders*11:09
Macertheir country was split until the 1990s11:09
DocScrutinizer05official OT call 211:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but there's nothing IT to talk about! :(11:10
MacerDocScrutinizer05: what is an OT call?11:10
DocScrutinizer05you'll notice soon enough11:10
Aoyagi_joytopYou know11:10
DocScrutinizer05Ot = Off topic11:10
Aoyagi_joytopThis E7 doesn't sound very bad11:10
kerioAoyagi_joytop: freakin angled keyboard11:10
MacerAoyagi_joytop: i'm not sure of the build quality11:10
keriolike the n950 has11:10
Maceri know the n900 was like..... sad11:10
Macerwith breaking pins and modems and usb ports :)11:10
Aoyagi_joytopkerio: That's freaking goooood of freakin baaaad?11:11
M4rtinKthe N900 keyboard is IMO better11:11
kerioAoyagi_joytop: bad11:11
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Aoyagi_joytopWell I got used even to the idiotic keyboard N97 has.11:11
Macerso far i nhaven't really noticed many people screaming about their usb port falling off heh11:11
Maceron an e7 that is11:11
kerionot a show breaker by any means, but it's still annoying if you're holding it in a way that lets you see and want to access the keyboard11:11
kerioyou have to change the position of your hands11:11
Macerkerio: it doesn't flatten out at all?11:11
kerioMacer: not according to the photos i've seen11:12
Maceri've never used one first hand tbh11:12
Macerbut after 2 breaking n900s and these other types of phone OSes.. i think ill go symbian heh11:12
kerioalso, we don't actually know how widespread the musb port/modem problems are11:12
keriojust ~usbfix11:13
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Macerat least my n900 still works with wifi11:13
Maceri use it every now and then11:13
Macerkerio: no thanks. tried it once on the first one.. second one had that awkward modem break11:13
keriojust... huh... put springs on top of the modem? i heard it was a thing11:13
Macerand it wasn't the pins11:13
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Macerkerio: i had a G1 for like 3 years without the modem dying or the usb port falling off.. that was probably the only htc phone i had that didn't suck11:14
Macerbut android sucks11:14
Macerios sucks and wp sucks heh11:14
Macermaemo was so awesome but no more devices for it :(11:14
Aoyagi_joytopSo E7 is a bit "downgraded" N8 with a keyboard?11:14
Maceryeah pretty much11:14
infobotsomebody said xyawn was nap11:14
Macerbut the keyboard makes it special :)11:14
Macerhard to find a good device with a qwerty nowadays11:15
Aoyagi_joytopOr good device with any keyboard to begin with.11:15
Macerguess it costs $0.03 less heh11:15
Macereasier to bypass the engineering for a qwerty in favor of a vkb11:15
Macerthat eats up half the screen11:16
Aoyagi_joytopI saw this awesome phone... it had both QWERTY and numeric keyboards.11:16
Maceri was using an ssh client on my n90011:16
Macerer... lumia 900 heh11:16
Macerit was torture because of the vkb11:16
Maceri mean i guess it's great if you can deal with having 3 lines to work with11:16
Maceror constantly closing the vkb11:17
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Macerah well... can't wait to get the scanner too so i can completely ditch having any windows machine11:18
Aoyagi_joytopCome to think of it, a friend of mine has E90 :D11:22
Aoyagi_joytopLovely thing.11:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: and nobody is talking anymore :(11:27
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: 250 lurkers prefer that to the alternative of having to cut thru hundreds of pages of noise they didn't come here for11:35
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Macerwow.. an e9012:10
Maceri was very close to getting one when they came out but didn't.. was too expensive for what it was/did12:10
Macertoo bad the e7 doesn't have an sd slot12:10
Macerit was during the nokia "we want to be like apple too" stage12:11
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jogae90 is pretty bulky12:26
Aoyagi_joytopO ye.12:27
thedead1440Macer: actually I read it somewhere it was due to the silos in Nokia at that time so the N8 got expandable memory while the E7 was another silo so wasn't permitted to use expandable memory; fm transmitter was also omitted for the same reason12:27
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ShadowJKThere were a couple of "paired" models, like E* N* pairs. The E variants had aluminium/stainless steel bodies. The N variant was all plastic. E had VoIP, Office Suites, VPN support, etc.. The N variant had mp3 player, media control buttons.12:50
ShadowJKExact same hw insides, exact same circuit board. Just the body and software differed12:51
ShadowJKand price, of course12:51
ShadowJKNo "Ultimate" model with both Productivity and Entertainment sw, metal body and buttons... you had to choose either or, or buy another brand ;)12:51
jonwilYou are talking about Symbian phones, correct?12:52
jonwilNot that anyone cares about Symbian anymore :P12:52
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ShadowJKAndroid and iOS didn't really exist, so...12:53
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jonwiltrue, that was then. But this is now and Symbian is dead.12:55
jonwilEven their half-assed "open source" thing didn't actually result in any usable code being released12:56
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jonwilUnlike, say, WebOS where good code has been released13:04
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ShadowJKWhy would "Now" be relevant for E7 and E90 topic...13:21
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ShadowJKMacer; I've seen Lumias with detached musb ports :)13:27
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ShadowJKMacer; and first version of E90 the keyboard scratched up the screen.. :/13:29
ShadowJKIt's funny, by the C6, N900, E75 era Nokia had figured out how to make durable sliders (N810 is a bit flimsy)... I don't think the E7/N950 type ever got perfected13:31
ShadowJKtechnologies get bugfree about the time it gets abandoned, it seems13:32
ShadowJKjust when they figured out how to avoid getting dust and scratched UNDER the screen, touchscreens came and people started poking and scratching up the frontside instead13:33
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ShadowJKI suspect once they get the surface material to not scratch or collect smudges, ts will be osoleted by something else13:34
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keriothe n900's slider is good, right?13:34
Aoyagi_joytopThe one model I had in hand was a bit wobbly.13:34
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jogathe units I've touched have been ever so slightly different in their feel13:39
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keriomine doesn't rattle or wob13:41
keriowhen it's locked in one of the two positions13:41
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pavelmHello everyone...13:59
pavelmI'm trying to install syncevolution on n900... but it seems like repositories still have problems...?13:59
pavelmFailed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch13:59
keriopavelm: some repositories on rmo are in an inconsistent state14:00
pavelmkerio: So... nothing I could fix and just wait?14:00
kerionothing you could fix, unless you've got write access to the repos :)14:00
keriothe bad thing is, this problem started happening a bit before the migration14:00
pavelmkerio: Ok, thanks :-). I'll try again tummorow.14:01
kerioso mirrors might be in an inconsistent state too14:01
kerioexcept extras-devel-light :)14:01
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pavelmkerio: distribution: fremantle components: free ?14:11
keriopavelm: components "free non-free"14:11
keriopavelm: there's also a .install file ready to use, though14:12
pavelmWon't use non-free stuff for now. Thanks a lot!14:12
pavelmOk... but syncevolution depends on libpcre3 and that is not installable. Too bad.14:14
pavelmWill add non-free, but somehow I doubt it.14:14
kerioit's non-free as in america, not non-free as in american politicians14:14
kerioanyway, libpcre3 is in the nokia repos14:16
kerioperhaps the key issue is affecting you, install libpcre3 with apt-get14:16
pavelmI'll re-enable the nokia repos. I was not sure which are incosistent so I kept just the extras-devel-light14:17
kerioit's recommended to never disable the nokia repos14:17
kerio(apart for ovi - do whatever you want with that)14:17
pavelmOk :-). This packaging is still black magic to me :-914:17
pavelmWow. Thanks a lot, it is installing now,14:18
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ccxCZhow do I view syslog? is there a syslog daemon running by default?14:27
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keriothere's no syslog running by default14:28
kerioinstall sysklogd and klogd14:29
keriobut beware of the rootfs usage14:29
ccxCZis there some log rotation mechanism for it?14:31
kerioonly when it starts14:31
kerio(so either manually, or when booting)14:31
kerioif you want it running manually, edit /etc/event.d/sysklogd and /etc/event.d/klogd and comment with a "#" the lines that begin with "start on"14:32
ccxCZhmm, might be better off running metalog/syslog-ng in the chroot on the mmc14:33
ccxCZbut I need to debug ssh connections first, so here comes sysklogd14:33
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warfareccxCZ: you can also start /usr/sbin/sshd -dddd -p1234 (full debug output on port 1234)14:38
DocScrutinizer05hi warfare14:38
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: in RL there's no problem with logrotate only done during boot. I only run into problems for this with my development T900 which had uptimes >180days sometimes. A really *used* phone is seeing boots frequently enough for "logrotate"14:41
warfarehi DocScrutinizer05 :)14:41
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ccxCZwell, I'd like to keep high uptime too, but placing the logs on mmc seems sensible in general14:43
DocScrutinizer05works too14:43
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil doing that iirc, but it has a downside of logs during early boot missing14:43
SpeedEvilI don't recall doing more than apt-get syslogd14:44
SpeedEviland yes, early boot is missing14:45
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: you forgot you moved the syslog to mmc ;-)14:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why do you get localized uptime and i don't? :(14:47
SpeedEvilyes, don't have it setup on my current device14:47
DocScrutinizer05you admitted you might have forgotten last time we talked about it14:47
ccxCZstill no logs from ssh in syslog :/14:48
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which uptime14:49
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: logging ssh is a bitch14:49
ccxCZFailed password for invalid user ccx from port 58891 ssh214:50
ccxCZthough it's in passwd and su works14:50
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $LC_TIME14:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i've got LC_TIME too14:52
keriowhat's your "uptime" binary?14:52
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# uptime --version14:54
DocScrutinizer05uptime (GNU coreutils) 8.414:54
DocScrutinizer05Copyright © 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.14:54
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kerio._. no italian in the translations14:54
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DocScrutinizer05not like I'd be happy with de_DE locale14:55
DocScrutinizer05esp for root14:55
DocScrutinizer05but then, I don't care enough to fix it14:56
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ccxCZI find anything but en_US.UTF-8 inconvenient, maybe en_GB could be okay too. And no, english is not my native language :]14:57
DocScrutinizer05same here14:57
DocScrutinizer05I prefer poor english any time over poor german translations of poor english14:58
DocScrutinizer05my /query to users id english often even when I know they are German too14:59
DocScrutinizer05s/id is/.14:59
DocScrutinizer05IRC and job made me use English way more than German15:00
Lava_Croftenglish is the langue of computing15:02
Lava_Croftplain and simple15:02
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: when above logline is from your N900, you got a PEBKAC. Only users on N900 are "user" and "root"15:02
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: happen to have played games using the nick DasIro?15:03
Lava_CroftDifferent Iro german then :)15:03
ccxCZDocScrutinizer05: I added it manually, su to the user does work ok15:06
keriocheck sshd_config15:06
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ccxCZI don't see anything limiting the user set15:10
keriodoes the home directory exist?15:11
kerioopensshd will reject the login, otherwise15:11
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ccxCZwhoa, I'm in15:12
ccxCZdunno what happened15:12
keriosshd being sshd probably15:12
ccxCZwell I know what happened, did restart instead of reload, but I don't recall changing anything since last time15:13
ccxCZah darn, I think I know, invalid shell since it only exists in chroot15:13
kerioheheh, that too15:13
ccxCZ(using sshd's ChrootDirectory for that user)15:13
kerioi had to figure out many, many things, when i added ssh support to my dgamelaunch server15:14
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kerio(and yes, i was using ChrootDirectory too :) )15:14
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ccxCZwas easier on G1/shr since I could just install zsh there15:15
ccxCZln -s /bin/sh /bin/zsh  # here you go15:16
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DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: su doesn't work generally, on maemo15:16
DocScrutinizer05well, it does. From root15:16
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ccxCZI see that there's no pam there15:17
ccxCZand su being non-suid because of busybox15:18
DocScrutinizer05there is no real su in default maemo15:18
ccxCZI don't care, I have my chroot now :-)15:18
keriomeh, i'm not entirely sure that anything bad would really happen if you had a suid busybox15:18
* DocScrutinizer05 shoots kerio down15:18
ccxCZwell, easy privilege escalation15:18
ccxCZ/bin/sh -> always root shell15:19
kerionope, busybox handles that15:19
DocScrutinizer05I wouldn't bet anything on that15:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: we've got almost-cleartext passwords, if an attacker can run a binary, he's already won15:19
kerioalso, try it :)15:19
kerioset it suid root and then run sh15:20
kerioyou'll be user15:20
DocScrutinizer05try what? MESSYBOX? Am i one of the three stooges??15:20
keriojust temporarily :s15:20
kerioand busybox isn't badly-programmed15:20
RaimuI've never watched the Three Stooges.15:22
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DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, I bet it isn't badly programmed. Maybe only 5 or 10 loopholes left over, like invoking >>busybox -c exec busybox su -<< in an early startup script that gets run before privileges get dropped15:23
DocScrutinizer05and don't get me started about bb-p15:24
ccxCZsince fstab is a lie, how do I automount stuff?15:24
DocScrutinizer05ke-recv doing that for you15:25
DocScrutinizer05get CSSU ke-recv15:25
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DocScrutinizer05for other stuff, use udev rules15:25
ccxCZany docs on ke-recv?15:25
ccxCZke-recv is only the internal nand?15:26
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DocScrutinizer05NAND, uSD, swap15:27
chem|st[ATTENTION] down for maintenance15:27
DocScrutinizer05eMMC, uSD, swap15:28
DocScrutinizer05not NAND15:28
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ok15:28
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ETA?15:28
ccxCZwell, I'm now formatting my µSD to ext315:29
ccxCZsince I want decent filesystem there15:29
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ccxCZand I want it to be accessible inside chroot too15:29
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ccxCZdoes mount --rbind work on maemo?15:30
chem|stETA 10-20minutes15:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but local privilege escalation on maemo is already possible15:32
DocScrutinizer05I know15:32
DocScrutinizer05doesn't help messybox15:32
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils15:32
kerioi just don't get what you're worried about15:33
keriostuff malfunctioning?15:33
DocScrutinizer05on what?15:33
keriowith a suidroot /bin/busybox15:34
DocScrutinizer05on me testing stuff in messybox. YES,  *I* will start to malfunction15:34
keriooh, heh15:34
DocScrutinizer05get gnu uptime and dummy up!15:35
DocScrutinizer05actually once somebody claims "hey, busybox su *works*, you only need to set suid busybox!" all fools rush over it and start using `su` instead `root` in their fekked scripts15:37
keriosu without a password?15:37
keriohow would that work?15:37
DocScrutinizer05I honestly don't give a fart about it15:38
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ccxCZapparently only vfat gets automounted15:38
kerioccxCZ: install some flavour of cssu15:39
kerio(possibly testing? i'm not sure if the newer ke-recv is in stable yet)15:39
DocScrutinizer05messybox is as toxic as it gets, without somebody trying to "improve" it15:39
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: listen to kerio when you can't listen to me15:39
damo22you shouldnt talk about female genitalia like that15:40
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-06 14:25:23] <DocScrutinizer05> get CSSU ke-recv15:40
ccxCZI'm fine with mounting manually actually, to the place I want15:40
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ccxCZwhat will change if I install that?15:40
DocScrutinizer05will install multiple partitions and different fs on uSD15:41
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: will mount multiple partitions and different fs on uSD15:41
DocScrutinizer05will mount non-standard fs on eMMC15:42
ccxCZnon-standard == ext315:42
DocScrutinizer05and has a hook to run a script to blacklist particular partitions or volumes from mounting at all15:42
ccxCZI think I'd rather do this manually, without a script that automagically unmounts stuff15:43
kerioso do it manually15:43
DocScrutinizer05who said umount?15:43
ccxCZisn't that what happens when I remove back cover?15:43
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't umount from blacklist. blacklist is to keep it from mounting stuff15:44
keriowhen you remove the backcover the uSD is forcibly detached15:44
kerioit's already too late to do anything but hope to cleanup the software side15:44
kerio(major mishap in nokia's part)15:44
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keriowhat do you mean by "no"?15:45
DocScrutinizer05major mishap on kernel driver at best15:45
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DocScrutinizer05uSD remove switch is a property of the MMC hw if15:45
DocScrutinizer05so a standard feature of all OMAP15:46
DocScrutinizer05I guess TI inplemented it15:46
DocScrutinizer05not Nokia15:46
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DocScrutinizer05I'd not even be surprised if the if itself would power down the uSd hard, on that switch15:47
DocScrutinizer05maybe configurable by a config bit in MMC If registers15:48
DocScrutinizer05(disclaimer: iirc)15:49
DocScrutinizer05you might be able to dual-use switch the function of that pin to GPIO, thus overriding the switch15:50
DocScrutinizer05you probably could try to patch the MMC kernel driver15:52
DocScrutinizer05using info about MMC IF from that 3600pages spruf98d15:52
* DocScrutinizer05 notices he's in an even more grumpy mood today than yesterday15:53
DocScrutinizer05better for you and me15:54
ccxCZlive long and prosper :-)15:54
ccxCZthanks for help15:54
ccxCZI get quite a lot of DataBufferErr on any heavy USB I/O here :/15:55
ccxCZon the PC that is15:56
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ccxCZhow do I run stuff on boot?15:58
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keriodefine boot15:58
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ccxCZafter the system has completely started would be fine15:59
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DocScrutinizer05autostart tag in .desktop15:59
DocScrutinizer05beware! restarts process when it quits16:00
kerioyou could also write an event file in event.d, and start it on... hm, "start on started hildon-desktop" perhaps16:01
ccxCZcouldn't I just shove something in inittab to proper runlevel?16:01
keriono runlevels, we're using upstart16:01
kerioit's a whole new world of events and not being able to figure out wtf is going on at any given time16:01
keriogreat, right16:01
ccxCZok, let's say I want to have daemontools running in chroot16:02
keriowtf is daemontools?16:02
DocScrutinizer05ooh, there's still /etc/init.d - it even kinda still works16:03
ccxCZsimple daemon manager, somethin like sysvinit but with more flexible interface16:03
DocScrutinizer05you just don't know *when*16:04
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: I smell ~xy16:04
infobotsomebody said xy was The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.16:04
ccxCZI want to run daemons inside of my chroot. most likely starting with rsync, more later16:05
ccxCZdaemontools and runit are quite convenient way to manage them16:05
ccxCZso I don't have to dig around openrc to prevent it trying to boot full system16:06
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ccxCZI guess writing event.d file for upstart will be quite straightforward16:07
DocScrutinizer05as straightforward as upstart gets16:08
kerioyou have to figure out when you want it to start16:08
* DocScrutinizer05 starts to smell a xyz-omega problem16:08
kerioyou mean xyzt or xyzwt16:09
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ccxCZDocScrutinizer05: well yeah. I'm not really interested in maemo, just using it as host system to run my chroot16:10
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: ntpd is a daemon usually run in a chroot16:10
keriostarting stuff on MOUNTS_OK seems like a good idea16:11
kerioor possibly even starting it on started hildon-desktop16:11
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: you basically can't run a full system in a chroot and hope to control its startup from outside, from the host's init16:11
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kerioccxCZ: you basically can't run a full system in a chroot, period16:12
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ccxCZsure, I'm not trying to do that16:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it doesn't run its own init16:12
kerioit doesn't run daemons16:12
ccxCZleaving stuff like udev and mounting outside, services inside16:12
DocScrutinizer05that's the point16:12
DocScrutinizer05check out ntpd16:12
keriousually chrooted daemons are ran in a specially-crafted, minimal chroot16:13
kerioor they do their own chrooting16:13
DocScrutinizer05you're using one chroot per service16:13
keriofor that reason16:13
DocScrutinizer05for the mechanism *starting* the daemon/service, the chroot is irrelevant16:14
ccxCZcompletely different use case though16:14
ccxCZyou're talking about security isolation, sure, you want separate chroots for that16:14
DocScrutinizer05so A) define what you want to do, so we can determine *when* it needs to get started, then B) take care about chrooting the service's environment16:15
kerioccxCZ: i think i got it now16:15
ccxCZotoh I'll be living inside my chroot, with shell, accounts and everything16:15
ccxCZso I want a way to start/stop stuff in there16:15
keriomake an event that runs on MOUNTS_OK, that sets up your chroot16:15
keriomake that fire another event when it's done setting up the chroot, and make the daemons you want running start on that event16:16
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: inside such a chroot you have no idea per definition about outside 2runlevels"16:16
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: ccxCZ: inside such a chroot you have no idea per definition about outside "runlevels"16:16
kerioand of course, you'll have to start them with chroot /path/to/root /usr/sbin/yourdaemond -options16:16
n900-dkshouldn't traceroute be in tools repo?16:16
n900-dkI'm no able to locate it in HAM.16:17
kerion900-dk: it's probably not a user package16:17
ccxCZI already have run-executable-in-chroot-with-proper-stuff-mounted script, just wanted to hook it up to init system of the device16:17
kerioyep, it's in the "net" section16:17
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache search traceroute16:17
DocScrutinizer05mtr-tiny - Full screen ncurses traceroute tool16:17
DocScrutinizer05libnet0 - libnet016:17
DocScrutinizer05libnet1-dev - development files for libnet16:17
DocScrutinizer05libnet1 - library for the construction and handling of network packets16:17
DocScrutinizer05gnome-nettool - GNOME Nettool is a network information tool.16:17
DocScrutinizer05busybox-power - Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems - enhanced package16:17
DocScrutinizer05iputils-tracepath - Tools to trace the network path to a remote host16:18
DocScrutinizer05tcptraceroute - traceroute implementation using TCP packets16:18
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ccxCZkerio: thanks, I'm digging in the event.d atm16:18
kerioand you also forgot the last and most important line16:18
keriotraceroute - traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network16:18
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Yeah, I know, but traceroute is missing from your list16:18
kerion900-dk: it won't appear in HAM, but it *is* in the fremantle/tools repo16:18
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n900-dkhow come it's not in HAM?16:19
keriobecause it's not a user package16:19
DocScrutinizer05nothing of tools is in ham16:19
n900-dkohh, I see - thx16:19
DocScrutinizer05basic rule: cmdline tools need to get installed via cmdline tool (apt)16:20
n900-dkthat's why I like apt more :)16:20
Lava_Croftor use FAPMAN16:21
* Lava_Croft runs16:21
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jadedis logging in on broken?16:26
keriojaded: only on the main site16:27
jadedoh, thanks16:27
jadedi was wondering why it didnt work16:27
n900-dkoh, installed stuff from extras without hash mismatch error \o/ me like16:28
Aoyagi_joytopIt works for me...16:31
Aoyagi_joytopI mean... the IRC log :D16:32
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chem|stwoody14619: ping17:12
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timmywhenever i connect my n900 to the charger or usb it doesn't recharge the battery except sometimes which is randomly. i thought it is a problem which the mini usb connector so i have changed that but it was not,17:19
timmyand also i can't reflash it because when i connect the usb, flasher doesn't recognize it17:20
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DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: extras *supposed to* be free of hashsum errors17:25
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DocScrutinizer05I just updated backupmenu from extras-devel without hashsum error or other problems or delays either17:25
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DocScrutinizer05so it's just *some* packages on extras-devel that suffer from hashsum-flaw, it seems17:26
DocScrutinizer05time for some coffee17:27
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: installation of shortcutd had the hashsum errors yesterday17:31
DocScrutinizer05oh "fine", thanks. So I have a pkg where to check this issue17:32
DocScrutinizer05I gather shortcutd is from extras-devel?17:32
n900-dkisn't it from extras?17:33
DocScrutinizer05I don't know17:33
n900-dkwill doublecheck17:33
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DocScrutinizer05particularly I don't know where from you installed it17:33
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DocScrutinizer05if you had e-devel catalog enabled, odds are the version from there got installed17:35
DocScrutinizer05there's hardly anything in extras that has no version of same package in extras-devel as well17:36
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n900-dkhmm, don't know how to see which repos an installed package came from..17:37
kerioDocScrutinizer05: upgrading from extras to extras-devel is prohibited, anyway17:37
kerion900-dk: `apt-cache policy packagename`17:37
DocScrutinizer05and I don't know if the trustlevels are set up reasonably17:37
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keriothe builtin "" (extras) repo has trust 200, every repo you add manually has trust 017:37
DocScrutinizer05so this means no extras package ever gets updated to extras-devel version?17:38
n900-dkit just shows " fremantle/free Packages"17:38
kerion900-dk: what's the installed one?17:38
kerioalso, lol17:38
n900-dkInstalled: 0.1.4-117:39
kerioyeah, apt-cache kinda sucks17:39
DocScrutinizer05friggin apt-cache not showing the most important details on info about a package policy17:39
Vrm1I take packages from and jacekowski repository, at least it works :)17:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: subdomains are free, though17:40
* DocScrutinizer05 sips his coffe and wonders if last remark of kerio makes any sense17:40
n900-dkhmm, will try to uninstall/reinstall and keep an eye on the repos..17:40
* n900-dk yawns at HAM..17:42
infobotham is, like, Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does17:43
kerion900-dk: were there two versions in the output of apt-cache?17:43
kerioor, well, multiple versions17:43
DocScrutinizer05~literal ham17:43
infobot"#maemo ham" is "Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does"17:44
n900-dkkerio: Installed: 0.1.4-1 and Candidate: 0.1.4-117:44
kerion900-dk: what about the list below?17:44
keriowere there two repo entries for 0.1.4-1?17:44
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, #maemo ham is  Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does17:44
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0517:44
infobotham is probably Hildon Application Manager.  Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does17:45
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n900-dkit is from extras17:46
DocScrutinizer05  Version table:17:46
DocScrutinizer05     0.1.4-1 017:46
DocScrutinizer05        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages17:46
DocScrutinizer05        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages17:46
DocScrutinizer05     0.1.1-3 017:46
DocScrutinizer05        500 fremantle-1.3/free Packages17:46
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DocScrutinizer05could somebody pretty please patch that apt-cache shite?17:47
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DocScrutinizer05add an option --Nokia, that outputs full URL, not only base URL17:48
kerioheh, why do you think i asked merlin1991 for subdomains for each mirror?17:48
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kerio 0.1.4-1 is in extras and extras-devel17:48
DocScrutinizer05otherwise those 2 identical lines above wouldn't show up17:49
DocScrutinizer05for version 1.417:50
n900-dkAs I can see from HAM log, it installed shortcutd from extras17:50
DocScrutinizer05so it actually installed it?17:50
n900-dkoh yes17:50
DocScrutinizer05what's the problem then ;-D17:51
n900-dkno problem :)17:51
kerio"This bug was fixed in the package apt -"17:51
n900-dkonly that yesterday it gave hash mismatch17:51
kerio* Change the package index Info methods to allow apt-cache policy to be17:51
kerio    useful when using several different archives on the same host.17:51
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: I think yesterday it tried to install the extras-devel version17:52
n900-dkhmm, you could be right..17:52
ccxCZwher does media player search for files?17:52
DocScrutinizer05otoh if a .deb is already in local cache, I dunno if it gets downloaded again and thus no hashsum error might show up at all17:53
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: tracker does searchg17:53
n900-dknm, I just glad it worked now :)17:53
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: we're trying to investigate a serious major problem17:54
DocScrutinizer05WFM doesn't help, but thanks for mentioning your yesterday's problems anyway. Might be a valuable clue17:55
n900-dkI know - can I clear the cache or do some extra testing and try installing?17:55
ccxCZso where does media tracker search? :]17:55
DocScrutinizer05you could uninstall it, disable extras catalog, then re-install17:55
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DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: that's mostly defined in trackerd's config17:56
n900-dkwill yawn at HAM again ;)17:56
DocScrutinizer05you may also clear the cache for that particular .deb, but please ask somebody with more expertise about that detail17:56
ccxCZis there a fm I can rt?17:57
DocScrutinizer05basically yes17:57
infobotsomebody said jrtools was
DocScrutinizer05has some tweaks done to trackerd config, to throttle it a bit. Anyway you find the config file's name there17:57
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DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: there's also a tracker-tweaker app17:58
DocScrutinizer05forgot the name17:58
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache search tracker17:59
DocScrutinizer05tracker-doc - Tracker documentation package.17:59
DocScrutinizer05maybe I made up that tracker-config app18:01
DocScrutinizer05racker-tweaker app, whatever18:01
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: the file is pretty well commented18:02
keriotracker-cfg - A simple graphical interface for manipulating the meta tracker settings + applying same settings.18:02
n900-dkDocScrutinizer05: Hash mismatch error shows up, when installing shortcutd from extras-devel18:03
DocScrutinizer05ccxCZ: /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg18:03
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yup, thanks18:03
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: thought as much. Thanks, buddy!18:04
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DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: I gather it doesn't install then?18:05
n900-dkn900-dk: Yes, it fails and wont install18:05
keriowell, fixing the current situation isn't that difficult, the problem will be figuring out what caused it and preventing it from happening again18:06
DocScrutinizer05yep, kinda18:06
n900-dkhmm, talking to myself :)  Let me know if I can do anything to contribute18:07
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991 is our maintainer for that, having a look into it right now18:07
kerioi wonder if older Packages files are backed-up18:07
DocScrutinizer05n900-dk: not talking to yourself, I noticed your answer. Thanks!18:07
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kerioyeah, any help is very much appreciated18:08
DocScrutinizer05kerio: older as in... ?18:08
kerioas in the previous Packages files18:09
kerioso we can go and check them against the .debs18:09
kerioto see when the first problem appeared18:09
keriothe .debs are all stored, anyway18:09
kerioand they shouldn't change18:09
kerioso old Packages files will still be valid18:09
DocScrutinizer05kerio: not even older pkg versions are kept, the less any backups of a previous buid of same version18:10
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kerioare you kidding me? repos on keep all the versions18:10
keriodon't they?18:10
DocScrutinizer05I don't think so18:10
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DocScrutinizer05you can see "package version removed" in every package, on packages interface18:11
infobotfrom memory, package is simply not installable and a bug report against18:11
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infobotwell, pkg is
kerioDocScrutinizer05: haha look at the log18:11
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kerioanyway, has 5 versions18:12
DocScrutinizer05WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUU*CK?!!18:12
keriooh, and the version that was deleted a billion times is still there18:13
DocScrutinizer052012-08-15 15:18     2012-08-16 20:42     2012-08-16 20:45     2012-09-12 17:13     ... 2012-09-16 23:55     2012-12-28 11:10     2012-12-28 11:46  ...  2013-01-14 07:54    2013-01-14 08:3218:17
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^^18:17
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n900-dkmd5sum is the same for shortcutd deb files in extras and extra-devels18:17
kerion900-dk: it's -devel's Packages file that lists a wrong md5sum18:18
DocScrutinizer05pali or kerio are the experts to look into that whole checksum mess18:18
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: let me bet *which* checksum it lists ;-)18:19
kerioi'm an "expert" in the sense that at some point i gave a quick look to the debian maintainer guide and the repository howto :s18:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'm actually lost, which checksum?18:19
kerioempty file?18:19
DocScrutinizer05could it be the checksum of a package that's meant to have been reoved?18:20
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DocScrutinizer05  looks fishy. Why isn't there *any* version on most recent 4 events in log?18:25
DocScrutinizer05 40418:27
DocScrutinizer05shortcutd  Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2011-12-02 14:4218:29
DocScrutinizer05which version got imported?18:29
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DocScrutinizer05shortcutd 0.1.4-1Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2010-12-13 18:10 UTC    <-- seems to be the last proper import to extras-devel18:31
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: please check this ^^^^18:32
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DocScrutinizer05kerio:    >>MD5sum:  4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c<<18:33
DocScrutinizer05now we could use the names of some other pkgs with hashsum error, to check if they look alike this mess with shortcutd18:35
keriohold on, that md5sum is correct18:35
kerioisn't it18:35
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n900-dkyes it is18:39
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n900-dkcould it be that the extra-devel repos is still in a update process state?18:45
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Vrm1Me threw extras-testing error hash, so testing was enough to turn off and turn on devel. And install the application. Devel is incredibly great about 43 436 items with a total size of 45.7 gigabytes :)18:56
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: so you say the md5sum  4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c  is correct for the package in extras-devel, but the sum in packages.gz (or whatever) is wrong?18:56
kerioi suppose so18:57
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woody14619I seem to recall X-Fade re-indexing the repos several times over the past few months....18:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: so the hashsum in packages.gz is of that last even that didn't result in any proper package, I guess18:58
woody14619This may have been part of the reason for doing so?18:58
DocScrutinizer05s/ even / event /18:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: kerio: so the hashsum in packages.gz is of that last event that didn't result in any proper package, I guess18:58
DocScrutinizer05woody14619: obviously18:58
DocScrutinizer05woody14619: check [2013-02-06 17:25:20] <DocScrutinizer05>  looks fishy. Why isn't there *any* version on most recent 4 events in log?18:59
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-06 17:27:29] <DocScrutinizer05> 40418:59
woody14619le sigh.... :P18:59
kerioi can't fucking finish a download from repository.maemo.org19:00
keriowarfare: connections are cut for some reason19:00
woody14619It's not nice to fuck the Finnish kerio. ;)19:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: one ended at 7.6MB, another at 8.9MB19:00
kerioout of 9.219:00
keriosorry, out of 9.919:00
woody14619wget -c is your friend. :)19:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yep, Packages reports MD5sum: fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c0577436f for shortcutd 0.1.4-119:02
DocScrutinizer05kerio: uplink 33..56Mb/s, 529 connections19:03
DocScrutinizer05nfc why your downloads abort19:03
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DocScrutinizer05what's the abort reason?19:04
n900-dkkerio: How do you see, that packages reports this MD5sum?19:04
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kerion900-dk: i downloaded Packages, and i read it19:04
kerioit's a text file19:04
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: "download completed", says firefox19:04
DocScrutinizer05.gz, no?19:04
keriofine, i downloaded packages.bz2, i unpacked it, and i read it19:05
DocScrutinizer05meh, downloads with firefox never really worked19:05
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DocScrutinizer05I've seen exactly this early termination without any error msg sooooo many times, with FF19:06
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woody14619Odd... I use FF all the time and never see this. :P May depend on the version (which changes daily now...)19:07
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* woody14619 waits for then to return to version = date... at least then they'll limit to 1 update a day...19:08
n900-dkkerio: where to download the packages.bz2?19:08
DocScrutinizer05well, admittedly last time I heard of a mass complaint of "file corrupted after download via FF" is a few years into the past19:08
DocScrutinizer05but anyway, download by FF sounds fishy to me19:09
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DocScrutinizer05actually I guess it's been the reason to publish md5sums for everything and recommend to check your downloaded files. I never heard of similar problems with wget19:10
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DocScrutinizer05it might abort, but throws proper error msg then19:11
kerioConnection closed at byte 9463420. Retrying.19:13
keriodamn wget why you so smooth19:13
* kerio shakes his fist at firefox19:13
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DocScrutinizer05woody14619: they more likely will use <year><week><4_digit_release_in_week>19:13
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're behind a NAT?19:14
keriomy router/access point19:14
DocScrutinizer05might kick out your session with timeout19:15
keriononsense, it's downloading19:15
kerioat 316KB/s19:15
DocScrutinizer05when download stalls for a while19:15
kerioit wasn't stalling at all, it was going quite fast19:15
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what signal or event closed the connection then19:16
DocScrutinizer05warfare: could we look into that? ^^^^19:16
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: you might use wireshark to do deeper analysis19:17
DocScrutinizer05limit logging to packets that have repo's IP in to or from19:18
DocScrutinizer05the last few packets should have an idication why the connection got closed19:18
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DocScrutinizer05or at least who closed it19:19
n900-dkkerio: Yeah, you are right. Packages for extras-devel report MD5sum fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c0577436f compared to Packages for extras, that report MD5sum 4ead2d59fc7bf31056945e0aaa85210c, which is the right one19:20
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n900-dkguess that is what you already figured out.. - just had to convince myself ;)19:21
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: sorry, I already forgot which been the package where _you_ seen a hashsum error19:22
n900-dkguess it was kmplayer, but not sure which version..19:24
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M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: cutetube 1.4119:25
M4rtinKnp :)19:26
DocScrutinizer05   this one?19:27
DocScrutinizer05oops no19:28
kerioyep, wrong md5sum19:29
kerioit's correct in the web interface though19:29
DocScrutinizer05cutetube 1.4.1Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2012-10-10 13:42 UTC19:29
DocScrutinizer05looks all sane19:29
n900-dkIt's wrong in the Packages file19:30
n900-dkcorrect one: a05b00fb816ac04cfb1d01dbb2da6ece  -  wrong in packages: 816ac04cfb1d01dbb2da6ece44460add19:30
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warfareDocScrutinizer05: yep.19:31
warfareshould be better now.19:32
DocScrutinizer05warfare: what's been the problem?19:32
warfareI probably set the netfilter timeout too low.19:32
DocScrutinizer05so it's actually been a "NAT" that kicked out the connection with timeout, jist not on kerio's side ;-D19:33
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kerioheh, i was about to blame varnish :)19:33
warfarenot a nat ;)19:34
warfarethe firewall also uses conntrack.19:34
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ccxCZwhat players are out there that can do mp3 offload? fwiu the stoc player is gst based, right?19:35
kerio"offload" to the dsp?19:36
keriono player that i know of does19:36
keriomedia player/openmediaplayer/mafw/gstreamer only uses the dsp for video19:36
ccxCZnot even stock one?19:37
keriowhich is a shame, although you wouldn't gain much19:37
ccxCZbattery life..19:38
n900-dkIs it enough just to created new Packages.bz2 to fix hashsum mismatch error?19:38
ccxCZdunno really what would the difference would be19:38
DocScrutinizer05warfare: (not a NAT) that's why I put it into ticks19:38
kerioccxCZ: iirc the last time i asked that question, freemangordon said that it would use about the same energy, and you'd get a bit more latency19:38
kerio(he's the 720p dude)19:39
kerio(so i assume he knows his shit)19:39
ccxCZkthnx, then I'll stop worrying about it19:39
DocScrutinizer05there's no difference between ARM CPU or DSP decoding audio19:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: except that the DSP can't be used to render web pages19:40
DocScrutinizer05and neither to fry toast19:41
Skryuhh, there's even linux distro for that particular dsp so I guess it can be programmed to do that too19:41
kerioyeah but it's not unreasonable to want to listen to a song while browsing the web19:41
DocScrutinizer05but maybe it can do sexual service to you19:41
* kerio goes to read the datasheet19:42
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ccxCZwell, if the dsp does not have it implemented in silicon, there's really no point to offloading there19:43
pwnguindoes maemo run on anything newer than the n900?19:43
n900-dkkerio: should new packages file be created to fix the issue with extras repo?19:45
keriopwnguin: nope19:45
keriotoo many19:45
infobotclosed is, like, or
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n900-dkWho can create a new packages list?19:47
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keriowaaaaait, osuosl staff?19:48
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kerion900-dk: no, not to you19:50
kerion900-dk: merlin1991 has the bureaucratic responsibility for it, i'm not sure if he can actually do that at the moment, however19:51
n900-dkohh, thought it was short for something creepy19:51
n900-dkkerio: ok, we will wait and see19:51
DocScrutinizer05kerio: huh?19:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: pwnguin's hostname19:53
keriohostmask cloak, or whatever19:53
DocScrutinizer05dang, I knew it19:53
* kerio feels bad :(19:53
DocScrutinizer05thanks, that's probably been our hosting at osuosl19:54
kerioi'm not sure if he would have preferred a comforting lie19:55
DocScrutinizer05that's why I asked our sysops in spe NOT to send a mail asking for hosting, but tather deliver general info to council, so *we* could approach them19:56 != fremantle_(C)Nokia19:56
keriofremantle is usually what people mean by "maemo", though19:57
kerioor possibly the old distros, but...19:57
DocScrutinizer05I don't give a flying F what people usually mean19:57
DocScrutinizer05or rather, I don't since that pwnguin fell for the same missconception19:58
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DocScrutinizer05I elaborated on that stuff in our sysop channel, since khm sent a mail to them asking if they'd be interested in hosting maemo20:00
DocScrutinizer05I been afraid exactly this to happen. I hate it to be right, sometimes20:00
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: just FYI:
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merlin1991anybody kept a list of the hashsum madness packages?20:10
merlin1991hm wait can't do squat, wrong ssh priv key here20:10
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n900-dkmerlin1991: eg. shortcutd 0.1.4-1 and cutetube 1.4.120:19
merlin1991n900-dk: cutetube 1.4.1 works fine20:19
merlin1991(at least here)20:19
merlin1991and I checked the checksum on the repo20:19
merlin1991though I suggest running apt-get upgrade once before checking it again20:19
merlin1991it seems the server got sane(er) at some point20:20
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n900-dkmerlin1991: How come the MD5sum in packages.bz2 for cutetube 1.4.1 isn't the same as for the cutetube_1.4.1_armel.deb file?20:24
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n900-dkin extras-devel!20:25
merlin1991I only checked the plain packages file20:25
merlin1991damn need todo the compressed ones too20:25 you don't? you just need to compress the Packages file20:30
keriounless you mean building Release20:30
merlin1991kerio: I first need to check if the files on the repo are actually foobar20:31
merlin1991then I can go find a way to rebuild them from Packages and sign the result20:31
keriomerlin1991: lintian all the .debs?20:34
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: don't worry about pwnguin, I caught him with a /query and put things straight :-D20:39
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: he asked the wrong question, for his purpose20:39
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DocScrutinizer05kinda, maybe20:39
DocScrutinizer05anyway, no damage done20:40
keriohm, and now i kinda miss not being the dude who screwed up the free osuosl hosting :D20:40
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DocScrutinizer05which would be quite nice if it happens20:44
RiDargh stupid battery20:45
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RiDif this thing shuts off while transferring files i'll get mad20:46
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n900-dkDoes HAM keep the packages.bz2 in memory, or does it keep a local file copy?20:49
kerion900-dk: /var/cache/apt/lists20:49
n900-dkdont have this file20:50
kerioer, sorry20:51
n900-dkthese files are downloaded every time HAM updates?20:57
kerioif they're changed20:59
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keriowe actually don't know if apt-worker would support pdiffs21:00
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kerio(incremental downloads)21:00
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n900-dkohh, I see. Could just see that list directory disappered, and showed up again, when I updated.21:02
n900-dkbut guess the list dir was moved to list.new21:02
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fructhello all! please help me run backssh session in background? (on maemo 5)21:39
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andre__meh, says DBD::mysql::db do failed: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction [for Statement "UPDATE logincookies SET lastused = NOW() WHERE cookie = ?"] at Bugzilla/Auth/Login/ line 8322:10
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DocScrutinizer05andre__: !!!! :-)22:14
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, hypothetically, if we moved to osuosl, could we avoid the double migration?22:26
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DocScrutinizer05that's the plan :-)22:28
DocScrutinizer05let's see if it pans out22:28
kerioi wonder how they'll react when we tell them about the 12 VMs22:28
DocScrutinizer05they already know, that's not scary for them22:28
DocScrutinizer05it's actually rather on the lower end of what they're willing to deal with22:29
DocScrutinizer05there's a "too small for us" on osuosl22:29
keriohey, we still have 40k users22:29
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's just ok for them22:30
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wulfekinda sad when you go in to a deal thinking "yeah were bad ass" and they respond with "oh thats all?"22:31
kerioit's even worse when you go in thinking "i hope it's not too much" and you get "nope, too little"22:31
wulfestill though were probably the most dedicated linux users that are out there.22:32
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n900-dkWhy is the lastest announcement on from 2010??22:43
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DocScrutinizer05good question22:47
DocScrutinizer05some blamed migration hickups22:48
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n900-dkthere were newer announcements before migration?22:49
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DocScrutinizer05another good question22:51
M4rtinKI think there weren't22:54
n900-dkguess nothing happend since 2010 then ;)22:56
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