IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-01-25

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AoyagiYay, finally found a good looking N900 with 2 year warranty \o/00:12
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keriodon't say that out loud, someone will steal it00:18
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AoyagiIt's dug pretty deep in under the lesser not-that-known stores.00:19
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AoyagiI just hope it isn't fake advertising.00:19
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flexxxvHey, I really need flasher-3.5 for linux. any mirrors?00:23
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qwazixhmm tablets-dev shouldn't be down AFAIK but it seems that it is...00:25
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qwazixflexxxv, wait, I'll upload it somewhere00:28
teotwaki_qwazix: email it to me and I'll put it up on maemo-archive00:28
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qwazixteotwaki_, flexxxv: maemo.qwazix.com00:29
flexxxvnow it's time to stop the watchdog ;)00:30
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Paliyou can use alternative open source flasher 0xFFFF00:43
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vldcnstIs there any script to take a picture automatically, including flash and autofocus?00:52
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flexxxvI can't set up hildon-application-manager (1:2.2.72-5+thumb0) because of an segmentation error01:12
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Paliflexxxv, do you have thumb kernel?01:21
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flexxxvPali: I thought so. would a 'uname -s' show me this info?01:24
Paliyou need kernel-power or kernel-cssu01:24
flexxxvuname -a Linux Nokia-N900 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 23 16:41:15 EEST 2012 armv7l unknown01:24
Palithis seems ok01:25
Palikp51 has thumb patch01:25
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flexxxvJust tried '1:2.2.72-5' (no thumb) and it also fails. I'll try to install 1:2.2.72-401:26
Palialso try to reboot phone01:27
Palimaybe there is problem withe something else...01:27
flexxxvalready tried reboot twice01:27
flexxxvso something else is wrong. 1:2.2.71-1+0m5 also isn't installing01:28
flexxxvand there is a problem with hildon-desktop widgets01:29
flexxxvand the watchdog was cauing reboots...01:29
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Paliflexxxv, so then it is not problem with HAM01:30
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flexxxvYeah, looks like this. I probatly installed to many upgades from cssu devel.01:32
flexxxvMaybe I just should wait for some more updates that will fix this...01:33
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ccxCZhello, is there some low-level backup tool for N900/maemo? something like nandroid...01:49
PaliccxCZ, what do you mean with low level?01:51
Palin900 has gnu userspace, so low level can be also tar -czf01:51
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ccxCZor dd01:52
ccxCZsomething I can restore conveniently if I mess up the system completely01:52
jogabackupmenu maybe? I haven't tried it really but I recall it could make an image01:54
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peterbjornxhi guys04:40
peterbjornxare the maemo5 repos down?04:40
wmaroneyes, there's a note up at TMO04:43
peterbjornxthanks, i should've read the topic04:46
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jonwildoes anyone know if there is a mirror anywhere of the nokia-binaries repo?06:50
jonwilthe SDK one06:50
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keriojonwil: that would be akin to a ssu/apps mirror07:07
kerioso... probably yes, but not public07:08
kerioaww, the "superbattery" calibrated to 141107:09
keriovi____: you liar07:09
kerioi mean, it's still fairly good07:14
keriobut it's probably not worth it to switch from the original bl-5j at ~130007:15
romaxafreemangordon: btw you said about memory overhead... browser on N900 has it's own browserd instance, which is only sharing disk space and loaded into memory07:17
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jonwilgreat, is running slow07:26
jonwilor not working07:26
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jonwilis slow for anyone else/07:34
thedead1440jonwil: its connecting for me but after that its a never-ending wait; waited for 4mins still no luck07:35
jonwilok, so, is there anything I can usefully do to help with browser stuff?07:37
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chxhi. i posted my question here -- basically i would like to hook an audio modem to the n900. is that ... possible?08:10
ds3to do what?08:11
chxso that i can send a command to the n900 to open the building door via the existing phone system :)08:16
ds3so you really are looking for way to send audio progammatically over a voice call?08:17
chxi want to make a voice call08:19
chxa very short one, actually.08:19
chxjust pick up the phone, press the button six, over.08:20
ds3think that is just software08:20
chxwell, you need to solve the "pick up the phone" problem somehow08:20
chxplaying the six, sure that's simple08:20
chxi mean, play this, done08:21
ds3isn't that a bunch of dbus commands?08:21
chxhow do you plan to phsyically connect to an RJ11 connector?08:27
keriodon't you have an internet connection at home?08:27
chxI failed at communicating through what I wanted to do08:28
chxYes, I have an Internet connection08:28
chxI want to use it to command a device (perhaps the n900 because that's the most open device with wifi i own) to open a door. The door is remote controlled via a traditional phone.08:29
kerioand there's no other way to control the door?08:29
chxthis is a 20 floor highrise08:32
keriodoes the door actually have its own phone line?08:34
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chxit's hooked into the building pbx08:36
chxwhen you ring someone from outside you dial via a normal phone system08:37
chxtheoretically i could forward the door buzzer to my cellphone -- the only reason I cant do that is that i cancelled my landline cos it was redundant and expensive08:37
keriooh, so you have to call from outside?08:37
kerioisn't that also expensive?08:37
chxit uses the house pbx, so it's free08:38
chxanyways, i might give this up, get a raspberry pi, a powered usb hub, plug in a wifi stick, i have plenty, buy a usb modem for a few pennies and be done08:39
keriothat's what i was going to suggest, yeah08:40
kerioor just a computer that you leave turned on08:40
chxthere's absolutely no space for that08:40
kerioyou have no computers at home? :o08:41
chxi have four, and so what?08:41
chxthey are nowhere near the phone jack08:41
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kguHow come I can't change repository url for an existing repository? (want to change it to the mirror)11:33
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keriokgu: it should be made more obvious, but those catalogues are not meant to be touched by users11:43
keriodisable it and add a new one11:43
kguso I will have to disable it and a new one for the mirrors?11:43
keriobut it won't work properly in HAM11:43
keriofor upgrades, at least11:43
kguthx :)11:44
keriounless you use an apt-mirror one11:44
jacekowskii've got apt-mirror repo11:44
keriothe solution is not to use apt-mirror, the solution is to stop using HAM11:45
kgureally? Thought that you had to use HAM, especially for upgrades..11:47
keriokgu: if you're asking if you can use apt-get to do system upgrades, you can't use apt-get to do system upgrades11:48
kguok, but otherwise you recommend using apt-get for program installations?11:48
keriokgu: if you're asking if you can use apt-get to do program installations, you can't use apt-get to do program installations11:49
keriobut it should be safe11:49
Hurriankerio, IIRC you can simply "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr"12:01
Hurriansince that's 90% of what HAM does, minus the slowness12:01
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Lava_CroftThe best way to upgrade is to just use HAM and be busy with something else at the same time12:03
Lava_CroftThat way, the slowness of HAM will elude you somewhat12:03
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kerioHurrian: ofc12:17
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Estel_~seen Pali12:22
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 30m 28s ago, saying: 'n900 has gnu userspace, so low level can be also tar -czf '.12:22
Estel_freemangordon,  Pali is one to pester for bugs in bits for userspace bme replacement?12:23
Estel_asking, because I was out of loop, and so goes on bla bla12:23
Estel_= I have no idea who is working on it now12:23
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HurrianEstel_, Pali is the replacement BME maintainer12:24
Estel_thanks - nice to see you again Hurrian, btw :)12:25
Hurrianit is hosted on his site after all12:25
HurrianEstel_, surprised to see you're back after some time out of the loop12:25
Estel_I'm always back, such mere things as politics won't scare me off ;)12:26
Estel_seriously though, had some serious things in rl to take care of... Methinks I need to apologize some people for lack of expected contact12:26
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Estel_good new is that I'm testdriving pre-pre-pre-pre alpha version of N900 body replacemebnt, since few days12:27
Estel_it does have any useful things on exterior side - basically, it looks like ugly piece of alu - but, inside, it got almost all parts that need to cooperate with motherboard12:27
Estel_and motherboard isn't sparking on contact anymore =D12:28
jonwilBME replacement is a great thing for N90012:29
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jonwilnow if only we could replace some other things too... :P12:29
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jonwilAll my recent efforts at reverse engineering have so far come up with nothing useful12:30
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user05when to expect to be up again? Anyone knows it?12:52
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thedead1440user05: the /topic has the link to a TMO thread where updates are so seeing that you can see work is on-going13:03
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user05thedead1440: 10k u13:07
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Aoyagi_joytopkerio: So it was of course bogus. The phone wasn't "as good as new", it had wobbly display, warranty was 6 months, not 24. And the keyboard was Spanish. :D13:21
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Estel_jonwil,  and what you've tried to reverse-engineer, lately?13:50
jonwilsome ICD stuff, some wifi stuff, some GPRS stuff, a whole bunch of connectivity UI bits13:51
* Estel_ nods13:53
Estel_where exactly you've meet a wall?13:53
Estel_lack of participation from others, probably?13:53
jonwilJust cant seem to get anywhere because of undocumented libraries, undocumented APIs, unknown data structures and the fact that ARM ASM is a LOT harder to reverse engineer than x8613:54
jonwiland yes, lack of interest from other people too13:55
Estel_I remember your mails to mailing list13:56
Estel_would love to help if not for almost complete lack of coding skills, let alone RE13:57
SpeedEviljonwil: awesome efforts.13:57
Estel_Pali,  ping13:58
PaliEstel_, pong13:58
Estel_I've encountered strange thing when it comes to usb mode used alongside bme replacement bits13:58
SpeedEviljonwil: it seems almost as if that was one of the express design aims13:58
Estel_everytime i end working with mass storage tings connected to N900 and use "periferial mode with charging button"...13:58
Estel_it end up as "peripherial mode with *boost*"13:59
Estel_seriously, that is what banner says, and I confirmed it in reality13:59
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Estel_it's peripherial mode, but boost still active, and devices connected are still light up13:59
Estel_no idea why it keeps booston, though, nothing suspicious in syslog, I suspect userland bit bug14:00
PaliEstel_, look at /sys/class/power_supply_bq241*/mode14:00
Paliif it has really boost mode14:00
Estel_as, after all, it even *announce* peripherial mode with boost, via banner14:00
Palior only MCE LED pattern was not deactivated14:00
Estel_it has, and as said, I checked it hardware-wise14:00
Estel_it's still providing real boost14:00
PaliEstel_, which version of usbmode do you use?14:00
Estel_i.e. up to 200 mA 5V14:00
Estel_one related to kernel-power version from repos14:01
Estel_i.e. last one that work with kp51r114:01
Estel_I'm just getting into the loop again, so sorry, if I missed something important (searched a little, but never found reports of such behavior or fixlogs)14:02
Estel_(fixes in changelos*)14:02
PaliEstel_ update to kp52 from TMO and usbmode to 1.0-314:02
PaliEstel_, here is last usbmode version:
Palibut you need kp52 for it14:04
Estel_thanks a lot14:07
Estel_will do14:07
Estel_then, re-check bug existence, yep?14:07
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Estel_Pali,  as I was able to catch you - any chances for including module I've requested (qf9700) in next KP version? I've send it via maemo-developers mailing list, including source code (afaik it just require compiling against kernel-power headers)14:09
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Estel_It would easy life of USB->ethernet dongle's users a lot, as every new davicom is using it, instead of old module (and, new one is free of most old davicom bugs)14:10
Aoyagi_joytopPali: I'm really curious why is it hosted on Matfyz :D14:10
Estel_of course new and old module doesn't collide14:10
Aoyagi_joytopWhat is this boost?14:10
keriohow do i use more power? i'm at 475mA now14:19
freemangordondisable SR14:19
keriowith screen at full brightness, busy cpu, and wifi with no powersaving14:19
keriofreemangordon: ooh, nice one14:19
keriohow do i do that?14:19
freemangordonecho 0 > /sys/power...14:20
keriofreemangordon: and then what?14:21
freemangordonfor 1 and 214:21
kerioheh, 8mA increase14:22
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PaliEstel_, I saw your mail, but I did not looked at it. Did you try to compile it against 2.6.28?14:22
PaliAoyagi_joytop, so what do you think? :-)14:23
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Estel_kerio,  use flashlight ;)14:23
Estel_and bluetooth discoverable14:23
Estel_instead of busy cpu, start recording HD video via camera, with flashlight on14:24
Aoyagi_joytopPali: Huh? About what? The boost thing?14:24
Estel_and gps program like modrana or marble enabled14:24
kerioright, the gps14:24
Estel_more than 1A power usage easily achievable14:24
Estel_Pali,  as per my knowledge, it compiles without problems14:24
Estel_but it's second-hand knowledge14:25
Estel_also, android kids are using it hapilly for more than a year14:25
Estel_afaik people compiled it sucessfuly even for more ancient kernels14:25
Estel_like 2.414:25
Estel_without much hassle. IIRC, 2.6.8 should be just matter of compiling against proper headers. Anyway, my mail isn't long, just check it in a second of free time, please14:26
PaliAoyagi_joytop, boost mode (in bq2415x context) provide 200mA/5V from n900 for usb port14:26
Paliwhich is needed for usb host mdoe14:26
Estel_it's probably as much as non-coding person can do to ease your work on including, i.e. sending code, etc. It's in process of getting into mainstream linux kernel, too14:27
Aoyagi_joytopRight, thanks.14:27
Aoyagi_joytopNow I just need to find out what USB host is, heh.14:27
ShadowJKEstel_; I'd compare busyness when running fennec on stock vs ext4, start with same .mozilla/fennec dir. swap on uSD14:28
PaliEstel_, compiling some module externally against kernel power is one step and integrate it into deb package second (at deb package compile time)14:28
PaliEstel_, sorry but I do not have time for second14:28
Paliif you (or soembody) else can provide patch, I can look at it and include it14:28
Estel_Pali,  I see14:29
Estel_not that I know what is needed to be done for integrating it into kernel power modules at deb creating time :P14:30
ShadowJKEstel_; in general sqlite stuff seems to suffer alot on ext3/flash, so I would expect to see benefit even in Conversations14:30
Estel_ShadowJK,  hm?14:30
Estel_busyness of I/O or cpu time?14:30
Estel_re fennec?14:30
PaliAoyagi_joytop, usb has two mode: peripheral and host: In host mode you can connect usb device and in peripheral you act as usb device14:30
Estel_I see14:30
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ShadowJKI tried browsing with fennec, and had iostat display on another device (via ssh), and nogticed whenever fennec scrolling froze, often I/O was pegged at 100%14:31
Estel_heh, conversation was always fast for me on ext4 and swap on microSD, but maybe iostat will show comparable differences14:31
Aoyagi_joytopPali: Just found a description of it, thank you.14:31
ShadowJKwell, ext4 in general is faster too14:31
Estel_good point, will try to do14:32
Estel_disabling barriers may help, too14:32
ShadowJKhow to compare ext4 vs ext4-stride-stripe-align, no clue14:32
ShadowJKtry bonnie14:32
Estel_btw setting stride-stripe on mkfs time is enough, no need to use mount time stripe option?14:32
Estel_and what it does? why it's stripe only in mounttime (noob mode)14:33
Estel_fun fact - with journal_async_commit, partition seems to be less prone to fuck up and trigger fsck due to unexpected inconsistency14:33
Estel_i.e. I feel that journal recovery is enough, more times. May be placebo, though14:34
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Estel_Aoyagi_joytop,  also, get in mind that HEN is older way of achieving hostmode (although, more "manual", so still work on some specific times, where usb-mode fails to enumerate)14:35
Estel_generally, usb-mode is more conveinent14:35
Aoyagi_joytopA lot, more, I'd think.14:35
ShadowJKI've only once had ext3 fuckup, and it got fucked up by running fsck14:35
Estel_so use it everyday, and if you got problems with any particular device, try all steps manually, via hen or scripts itself14:35
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Estel_ShadowJK,  but if fsck triggers due to unexpected inconsistency, something is already fckd up. fsck. just fckd more (i.e. whole partition)14:36
ShadowJKNokia stock setup never runs fsck14:36
Estel_basically, if something is fishy, I just re-create partition and restore backup, due to inability to repair anything on flash14:36
ShadowJKor maybe they added that in 1.2 or 1.3?14:36
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Estel_no idea, I'm doing it manually with -n (no changes to filesystem) option after unexpected reboots, if any14:37
Estel_especially if device reboots during heavy operations, due to, for example, dying of low-power with bme disabled :P14:37
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Estel_to see if anything is fishy14:37
Estel_most of the times, recovering journal is enough14:38
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Estel_if fsck report need for running it manually ("unexpected inconsistency"), I know that it will fckd my partition if I let it to14:38
keriowell, this battery can sustain 850mA of draw14:39
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Estel_so either restore backup, or be in danger of running into some file screwed. No idea if important one or not14:39
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Estel_so i preffer to restore backup14:39
Estel_kerio,  liIon can give many C of power14:39
Estel_so probably no problem to draw 5A from it, for a while14:39
Estel_what are you trying to achieve?14:39
kerioEstel_: yeah but this is a chinese liIon14:39
ShadowJKEstel_; I wouldn't generalize it like that14:40
Estel_no matter, liion chemistry isn't racial14:40
Estel_ShadowJK,  batteries, or partitions?14:40
kerioEstel_: trying to calibrate this battery as fast as i can14:40
Estel_kerio, but you will get lower results :P than you would get with normal heavy usage14:40
ShadowJKthe high energy stuff like laptop and phone batteries have max recommended draw of 2C at best :)14:40
Estel_ShadowJK,  if batteries, sure, it was "mental shortcut"14:40
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Estel_LiFE can give more than 30C safely14:41
kerioEstel_: surely only the end of the calibration matters14:41
Estel_kerio,  nope, as there is no such things as absolute capacity14:41
Estel_capacity is relative14:41
Estel_if you measure it with 1A draw, that you never use in real life, you will get lower capacity results14:41
Estel_than with using device normally until it calibrates itself14:42
Estel_well, it won't hurt14:42
Estel_just that you will see little less than it can really give14:42
ShadowJKEstel_; there's more than chemistry involved in it :) Li-Ion comes from high energy 1C stuff to high power 60C stuff depending on the cell design.. A 60C li-ion in bl-5) size would be far lower capacity than 1200mAh though :)14:42
keriohuh, sending zeros over wifi stops nicocam14:42
Estel_ShadowJK,  sure14:42
Estel_I just mean that he shouldn't expect it failing apart on 850 mA14:43
Estel_even chinese one14:43
kerioEstel_: anyway, not just for calibration, i also want to stress-test this battery a bit14:43
Estel_kerio,  btw, relative capacity is why w% 1500 mAh scud run as dual-scud result in ~3100 mAh battery :P14:44
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Estel_(lower power draw from every cell due to halved between cells, = more relative capacity in each cell)14:44
kerioEstel_: i suppose i'll run yet another calibration overnight at a constant ~200mA draw14:45
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kerioseems to be the most consistent14:45
Estel_ShadowJK,  speaking of that, do we know design capabilities of nokia's bl-5j?14:45
Estel_i.e. "how many C"?14:45
keriothe highest load i've got was 950mA, now14:45
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ShadowJKI should test someday, say, 2A draw down to 25% followed by 100mA to empty, compared to 100mA start to finish14:46
Estel_constant draw is also resulting in less capacity measured than variable one due to normal N900 usage :P14:46
ShadowJKEstel_; charging 0.7C is all I remember14:46
Estel_not that it matters much, but, best calibration is one regular, not hasted or slowed down14:46
* ShadowJK has managed 1.3A draw, without using usb boost14:46
ShadowJKbut now I have too good 3g signal to repeat that14:47
Estel_ShadowJK,  yea. BTW, I'm using 1250 mA charging (for dual scud) since I announced tesdriving it more than half year ago... or more, don't remember14:47
Estel_no ill effects14:47
* ShadowJK is doing it to single batt14:47
Estel_using it on different devices, also different revisions (2101, and this 2nd less popular)14:47
Estel_poor battery14:47
Estel_no ill effects, I suppose, too?14:47
ShadowJKWell it kinda already was past its best perf :)14:48
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ShadowJKthough still better than original bl-5j out of box14:48
Estel_well, my wanna-be 2A 5V portable charger seems to suffer a little, as it started to give no more than 950 mA. I was forced to switch into regular N900 charger back again14:48
Estel_which gives 1250 mA without overheating or complaining14:48
ShadowJKMy homebuilt portable charger doesn't do 1250 either14:49
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Aoyagi_joytopOr exploding?14:49
ShadowJKon paper it should do 5A14:49
Estel_I wonder about N900 charger real limits for stable work, for sure are higher than 1250 mA14:49
Estel_ShadowJK,  huh14:49
Estel_what went wrong?14:49
ShadowJKbut the usb cable I cut up was too cheap, drops too much voltage :P14:50
Estel_lol? would quite overheat14:50
Estel_lol? would quite overheat14:50
Estel_or melt14:50
Estel_from 5A -> 1000 mA loss. No?14:51
Estel_Aoyagi_joytop,  N900 charger is designed for 1250 mA, so it just lives up to expectations14:51
ShadowJKmore like 5V -> 4.6V (so .4V * 1A = 0.4W loss?)14:51
Estel_I plan to add 2 usb ports to it14:51
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Estel_ShadowJK,  but 0.4W seems a lotta hell capable of melting such cable14:52
Estel_or I'm wrong?14:52
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ShadowJKwell we dont know if the other bits and pieces besides the chip is designed for 1250,14:52
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ShadowJKEstel_; it's equivalent to 80mA at 5V, spread across a cable?14:53
Estel_no parts jumping into saturation and desoldering themselves, so it should be OK14:53
Estel_ShadowJK,  I expected such voltage drop due to one part where contact is low (between internal cable wires)14:54
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Estel_after all, if it isn't half-broken, what would result in such voltage drop? it's made of copper, isn't it?14:54
Aoyagi_joytopUh. What parts of are currently -not- working?14:55
Estel_I mean that I can't imagine how relatively short cable without connection problems, i.e. almost-torn out continuity inside, could result in such voltage drop14:55
Estel_made of iron? :P14:55
teotwakior water14:56
ShadowJKEstel_; iirc there were 3 strands of copper in it. And I don't mean the thick strands of ethernet14:56
jonwilwell is not working for me14:56
Estel_wiki is coming alive and dying all the time14:56
jonwilI think all parts of are going up and down right now14:56
Estel_ShadowJK,  3 hairs of coppers, eh?14:56
Estel_definitely too cheap ;)14:56
Aoyagi_joytopjon-kha: It is working for me, but it's oh so slow :D14:57
Estel_well, gave 503 error just a second ago14:57
Aoyagi_joytopBrowser says 7 B/s.14:57
Estel_premium hosting, after all14:57
Estel_add to this rogue moderators using one touch ban & clean on real people with positive thanks ratio, wandering on TMO...14:58
Estel_eh, I won't get into it again, screw that14:58
Estel_not my problem, anyway14:58
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Aoyagi_joytopIs there a USB host thingy for Android too?14:59
Estel_sure. Still, android sucks ;)14:59
ShadowJKI was tempted to reply to the people whining in alucase thread with something like "well if he hadn't been banned", but it turns out tmo has spies here :/14:59
Aoyagi_joytopYeah, I enjoy bashing it too, but I still have very little arguments for that :315:00
Estel_ShadowJK,  heh, thanks for good will anyway :) btw I replied there today15:00
Estel_don't even ask how people look at me when I take alu brick to ear as mobile phone15:00
Estel_(testdriving alucase with only internal finished, external things like layout non-existent yet)15:01
Aoyagi_joytopYeah, I read that before. Must be... interesting to see :D15:01
Estel_(so it's raw alu brick with screen module, externally - only internals shaped, currently))15:01
Estel_well, even with regular N900 with mugen cover, people took me for ticket controller in train15:02
Estel_when I entered it and said "good morning"15:02
Estel_having N900 in hand15:02
Estel_( was checking something on platform, stopped it when train arrived, and entered with N900 in hand)15:02
Estel_they were really surprised, when I, instead of taking tickets, started to take my coat off, putting baggage on shelf etc15:03
ShadowJKEstel_; check a few tickets, then say "must go check something", take ticket with you and go sit in another car. free train rides forever15:03
Estel_ShadowJK,  yea15:03
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Aoyagi_joytopThat will get you shot.15:03
Estel_BTW, mbarcode is able to read barcodes from tickets here, in poland15:03
Estel_so I can even scan it as ticket controller should :P15:04
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Estel_nothing to check validity against, though15:04
Estel_need to hack into train operator database15:05
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xesEstel_: you plan to add some space for a termic printer inside the alu case? ;)15:07
Estel_hostmode - cups server from easy debian15:07
Estel_and usb termic printer... lovely15:08
xes:) it would be nice to view some photo of the worl in progress!15:08
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Estel_as soon as I get hands on some digital camera, beside one inside my N900 (thus inside case)15:08
Estel_belive it or not, I'm using N900 as my main camera for few years15:09
Estel_main and only, to be precise15:09
Estel_just because fact that when I see something interesting, I never have camera with me15:09
Estel_but always have N90015:09
Estel_and raw photos are quite good quality15:09
Estel_it resulted in me not using my regular digital camera for long time, then giving it to someone15:10
xesI think you are the only one who tried to build something like that case...this means a great love for this device15:10
Estel_tripod mounting point is already there, as only one external element15:10
jonwilI prefer my Canon point & shoot (and its 12x optical zoom) to the tiny lens and sensor in the N90015:10
Estel_yea, for sure. I just hope that I'll be able to finish it before only me and pre-ordering people will want to use it :P15:10
Estel_it ended up in being much more work than expected, as always15:11
Estel_jonwil,  understandable15:11
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jaskafull alu? howd you deal with antennas?15:11
Estel_it's just that I never have such things with me when needing it, murphy law15:11
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Estel_two concepts for antennas, testdriving one of them for wifi15:11
jonwilI use my N900 camera if I need to take photos and dont have my normal camera with me15:11
Estel_1. separated alu part of backcover acting as antenna booster itself, shaped accordingly15:12
Estel_hopes for increasing signal power over vanilla N90015:12
Estel_2. non-alu parts where antennas are, like in N950, struggling to keep vanilla signal not weakened15:13
Estel_I preffer 1st option, as I have some experience in designing antennas15:13
Estel_wifi seems to work ok, quite hard to determine if better in noisy enviromnent, but for sure no worse15:13
Estel_no GSM antennas, yet15:14
Estel_next step15:14
Estel_when I finish all antennas, I'll start designing and test manufacturing outer case shape15:14
Estel_with all reequired holes etc15:14
Estel_and of course connector for hirose u.fl n board15:14
Estel_connected to single standarized mini antenna out on case... Will love to connect it to some of my custom antennas :P15:15
kerioEstel_: just use an even number of mirrors to take your picture15:15
Estel_I'm also tempted to use FMTX testpoints, to allow connecting external antenna to it, too15:15
Estel_kerio, haha15:16
* kerio is only slightly kidding15:16
Estel_well, kind of idea, but I'll, probably, just lend digital camera from someone15:16
Estel_BTW I though, once, about crazy attachement for N90015:17
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ccxCZsince is down, is there some location I can install rootsh from?15:39
PaliccxCZ use some mirror15:39
ccxCZsuch as?15:40
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infoboti guess mirror is
freemangordonyana666: ^^^15:43
ccxCZis there a way to connect to network via usb on stock N900?15:46
keriobut really, just send the .deb via bluetooth or something15:46
kerioif you have no wifi15:46
kerioor, hell, use usb mass storage mode15:47
ccxCZdoesn't installing deb require root?15:48
PaliccxCZ, you can install deb package via file manager15:48
Palistore it to MyDocs via usb mass storage15:49
Palifile manager open deb package in application manager which is running as root15:49
ccxCZworking on it now, thanks15:49
Pali(only apt-worker backend running as root)15:49
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Estel_sorry, got phone15:53
Estel_as for crazy N900 accesory I thought about, once:15:53
Estel_small adjustable mirror, allowing to use back camera for voip call, yet, still see person you're talking too, on screen :P15:53
Estel_of course it was just crazy idea, never took any steps to build it15:54
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Estel_would look funny, though, with some arm reaching out of N900's back, with small mirror on it15:54
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freemangordonmerlin1991: does your rmo mirror still give hash error?15:56
keriohow can it give a hash error? have you changed the keys?15:58
FIQit gave a hash error for me too when I tried, actually15:59
FIQthough atm I don't really need the repos so cba to try again15:59
merlin1991freemangordon: yep :/15:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: :(15:59
merlin1991kerio: the release file is foobar15:59
FIQ(it went up yesterday though for a little, and I took that possibility to download picodrive :3)15:59
freemangordondo you know which repo works in HAM?15:59
merlin1991all hashes are wrong15:59
merlin1991that one is the minimal one16:00
FIQI don't know how apt works, but can't you just.. I don't know, disable hash checking, or re-do that file?16:00
keriomerlin1991: only because extras is the only sanctioned repo, and nobody uses it16:00
freemangordonwell, there is a lady on the channel I am trying to help to set-up mirror repos, I am not sure I want her to enable extras-devel :)16:00
keriotechnically if you install something from extras, and then enable extras-devel, you won't be able to upgrade it from extras-devel16:01
ccxCZyay, worked16:01
merlin1991freemangordon: I guess you're right :D16:01
ccxCZnow back up he old system before screwing up.. just dd | gzip the block devices?16:01
keriofreemangordon: extras devel is cool16:02
kerioccxCZ: nope16:02
freemangordonwell, lets try with
kerioccxCZ: you MUST NOT directly read or write a mtd16:02
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.16:02
ccxCZwhat is the recommended procedure then?16:02
FIQthat one gave bogus bzip files for me @ freemangordon16:02
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kerioccxCZ: install backupmenu, reboot with open keyboard slider, follow UI16:03
keriobut be wary, backupmenu doesn't backup your kernel16:03
FIQand thus, restoring to a backup with another kernel mess up the system16:03
FIQwhich I found out the hard way16:04
kerio"mess up"16:04
keriojust flash the old kernel from a n90016:04
freemangordonFIQ: what16:04
FIQfreemangordon: ?16:04
kerioccxCZ: there's (almost) nothing you can do via software that will permanently damage your n90016:04
freemangordon<FIQ> that one gave bogus bzip files for me @ freemangordon16:04
FIQfreemangordon: ah, when I tried out the mirrors, one gave hash errors (merlin1991's), wedrop also gave hash errors, and the third one which name I've forgot gave bogus bzip files16:05
FIQ(trying to update with that repo just gave error "bzip returned with an error code (1)"16:05
freemangordonso all of them don;t work?16:05
FIQWell that's my own experience16:06
freemangordonbut what was that reflash one?16:06
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FIQPerhaps errors has been fixed, but when I tried, it simply didn't work16:06
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ccxCZLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv71 unknown16:06
ccxCZthat's what I got here now ↑16:06
ccxCZso I guess I should get corresponding images for it if I'd want to restore it later? and tar up all the files...16:07
jonwilok, found a nokia-binaries mirror, still doesn't give me any nice targets to reverse engineer though...16:08
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Palijonwil, can you look at libdevlock and libcodelockui binaries?16:10
ccxCZwhere do I get backupmenu?16:10
Palijonwil, libdevlock is needed for mce for devicelock, and there is missing header file16:11
Palibut there is i386 version16:11
PaliccxCZ, from extras-devel16:11
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ccxCZgot it, thanks16:13
jonwilWill see what I can do to produce libdevlock info16:15
jonwillibcodelockui already has -dev package so no need to reverse engineer that really16:15
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freemangordonseems like ttp:// is ok16:19
ccxCZwhat is the most convenient way to install custom chroot? can I reformat the mmc to say ext2 instead of vfat?16:20
ShadowJKiirc it wont get automounted16:21
SpeedEvilthat is true16:21
ShadowJKI'd use microsd16:21
ShadowJKcan manually mount htat on boot16:21
SpeedEvilI left the fat as 8g, and put a new 16 or so in the free space16:21
* ShadowJK has two new 16g microSD cards on his desk to test16:23
kerioShadowJK: the cssu ke-recv will automount everything16:24
ShadowJKIf anyone wants a "Samsung Essential Class 6 16GB" uSD card, I'll send it for just cost of post :P16:24
ShadowJK(it's rubbish)16:24
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SkryShadowJK: deal!16:26
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ccxCZany specific ones you'd recommend?16:27
ccxCZbeen using kingston and adata ones, kingston died suprisingly fast16:27
RST38hShadowJK: Why such sudden generosity? =)16:27
kerioccxCZ: sandisk16:28
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freemangordonwiki: "Couldn't authenticate against garage. (DB problem)"16:30
freemangordonhow nice :(16:31
ShadowJKSkry; ya16:31
ShadowJKRST38h; well I bought like half dozen card and not going to ever use this one, don't like its performance16:32
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RST38hAh.. Class 6 though - should be fast16:34
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RST38hOk, supposed to be fast =)16:34
chem|stkerio: ShadowJK sandisk and adata were never in my range after several pendrives before, samsung class 10 32GB and kingston class 6 8BG is what I have for n90016:35
chem|stboth cards are pretty fast compared to old class 2-4 nabble16:36
freemangordonsurprisingly for me (I am SanDisk fan) it seems that this 64GB Samsung performs really well16:36
keriootoh, those class 6/class 10 cards are absolute crap at random I/O16:36
ShadowJKThe other sandisk I have, "Plus", "Class 10", seems decent16:37
freemangordonI'll bench it again in 1-2 weeks, to see if performance degrades16:37
chem|stfreemangordon: I stopped to be a sandisk fan after 6 broken pendrives, I had 9, 3 are still working16:37
freemangordonwell, 30% not that bad :D16:37
chem|stfreemangordon: garage has issues atm so bare with us for not working logins16:38
freemangordonchem|st: you should try kingston ;)16:38
chem|stfreemangordon: I won't 'try' anything anymore16:38
keriofor uberoptimized sequential writes it doesn't really matter, as long as it's a good brand16:39
ShadowJKother samsung I meant16:39
chem|stI have a verbatim pendrive working for years now and have 64gb of other pendrives/cards... and a 1GB usb3 harddrive16:39
ShadowJKI've been torturing a sandisk usb drive for ages now, running nilfs2 on it. more or less constant 1.5MB/s write :)16:40
chem|stwould kill me16:40
ShadowJKkerio; was best performing fs when I tested16:41
* freemangordon is going to retest his uSD16:42
chem|stit makes only sense to use external drives (no matter what kind) as long as network is slower16:42
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chem|stor you need something offline16:42
chem|stand that is becoming a rare case nowadays16:42
ShadowJKHeh, running squid on that usb flash actually16:43
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freemangordonseems fine to me
freemangordonkeep in mind this is over USB, with swap on the same device16:58
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keriofreemangordon: what's QD?17:09
freemangordonqueue depth17:09
freemangordonnot that I know what queue is that :D17:09
jonwilpali: ping17:12
* MrPingu wonders why is there a safelist for widgets in /etc/hildon-desktop/?17:13
jonwilto whoever wanted info on libdevlock,
jonwildamn, wiki is still refusing to work :(17:14
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ShadowJK1MB of write/s is damn impressive:)17:16
freemangordonShadowJK: I wonder what will be the results if I put it in a card reader. Unfortunately I cannot find mine :D17:17
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ShadowJKWell, my XP box with card reader gave much higher results17:17
ShadowJKbtw, I just remembered seeing somewhere that while Class 2, 4 and 6 specify response time for cards, 10 and uhs dont17:18
freemangordonShadowJK: I know sequental speeds will be much higher, I am wondering about random i/o17:19
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* ShadowJK suspects uhs cards slow down on everything when run in sdhc host17:20
Palijonwil, thanks!17:21
jonwilI hope that's what you need17:21
jonwilMy guess is that Nokia didn't publish the -dev package for that library because of security (i.e. you could use it to bypass the device lock)17:22
jonwilbut in our case now we do have the info :)17:22
Paliyou can use devlock-bin package for that17:22
Paliit contains binary with S bit!!!17:22
jonwilanyhow, its documented17:22
jonwilanother closed library has been given a dev package :)17:23
Palijonwil, it is hard to RE that library?17:23
jonwildo you need the whole library cloned?17:23
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PaliI'd like to understand what doing...17:23
jonwiland yes it would be harder to RE than it was to produce the dev stuff17:23
Palibecause I need to implement code into mce17:23
jonwilyou can call libdevlock from MCE no problems (its what Nokia did after all)17:24
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Paliyes, I know, but I must understand what that functions doing...17:24
jonwilwhy you need to know what its doing if you just want to call it and do whatever stock MCE did?17:25
Palijonwil, I have source code of diablo mce and I'm replacing diablo code with fremantle compatible17:25
Paliso I need to know which functions should be replaced with some old diablo code...17:26
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jonwilHaving source code to diablo DSME would help with your work I suspect...17:26
jonwilbut yeah that library is too hard for me to RE17:26
jonwilits mostly setting gconf and cal anyway17:26
jonwilor calling devlock-tool to set things17:26
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jonwilfor reference, the functions in MCE that call libdevlock are:17:28
jonwiland one function that has no name17:30
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jonwil_Have a look at what devlock.c in MCE does17:34
jonwil_that should be a good starting point to figure out what to replace with calls to libdevlock17:35
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jonwilanything else I can help you with?17:36
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Palijonwil, what is state of your vibrator mce plugin?17:39
Paliworking? crashing?17:39
jonwilnever got anywhere useful with it17:40
Palijonwil, it is implemented?17:40
jonwilcant remember17:40
jonwilfeel free to use whatever code I posted17:40
jonwilbut beyond that, I have no interest in touching the mess that is MCE :)17:41
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Pauly1210Hi, hows mapping on the n900. Is any of the community apps better than the old nokia maps for daily usage?18:07
jacekowskinot really18:09
khmI really like modrana18:09
SpeedEvilI suspect not18:09
jacekowskinokia maps has no competition18:09
jacekowskiand it's offline18:09
SpeedEvilit does somewhat depend - openstreermap is good in some areas18:10
khmI can't even remember the last time I bothered starting nokia's maps program on the n90018:10
* Sicelo uses Nokia Maps + OM Voice Server18:10
khmI use mappero and modrana heavily18:10
Pauly1210yeah if it was like the maps on the symbian phones its just clunky18:11
Pauly1210thanks guys18:11
Pauly1210I'll check them out18:12
kerioPauly1210: i quite like monav18:17
kerioincredibly light18:17
keriocan do *everything* offline, with free datasets18:18
kerioSicelo: OM Voice?18:18
Pauly1210kerio: cool its Qt18:19
Sicelokerio, yes. to give a voice to nokia maps18:22
kerioSicelo: does it add autofollow?18:23
Siceloum, what's that?18:23
keriodoes it do the equivalent to pushing forward in nokia maps when you pass an intersection?18:23
Sicelore-route? no.18:24
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DocScrutinizer05503 ???? wtf!18:25
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Siceloi have monav too, but i never downloaded the maps.18:25
DocScrutinizer05who else got  50318:25
DocScrutinizer05since when18:26
Lava_Croftless than 2 days18:26
Lava_Crofti check about daily on your update post18:26
Lava_Crofthavent checked yesterday iirc18:26
DocScrutinizer05yesterday everything been fine18:27
Lava_Croftlet's hope its nothing serious18:27
Lava_Crofttalk works18:27
Lava_Croftbut i clearly have no idea where what part of * is located18:28
DocScrutinizer05talk is disparate18:28
Lava_Croftas i figured18:28
DocScrutinizer05wiki works too18:28
jacekowskisounds like overload or something18:28
freemangordondoes it?18:28
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freemangordonyes, it does18:29
DocScrutinizer05maybe somebody is moving repo to a new path18:29
DocScrutinizer05and took down for that18:29
jacekowski503 may mean that backend is down18:29
freemangordonbut why MO is 503 then?18:29
jacekowskiso frontend load balance/reverse proxy is running18:29
freemangordonaah, I see18:29
jacekowskibut backend vm not so much18:30
jacekowskiloads of possibilities18:30
DocScrutinizer05there's no load balancing anymore18:30
DocScrutinizer05on new infra18:30
DocScrutinizer05one VM for m.o18:30
DocScrutinizer05one for wiki.m.o18:30
DocScrutinizer05one for repo.m.o18:30
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: btw did you read #maemo-ssu logs from today?18:30
DocScrutinizer05very partially18:31
DocScrutinizer05seen the guy from Nokia dropped by18:31
freemangordonthe key has been found :)18:31
Lava_Croftno shit?18:31
DocScrutinizer05hope you all were kind and reasonable to him18:31
freemangordonI think so. actually the guy was very polite and cooperative18:32
DocScrutinizer05no shit what?18:33
DocScrutinizer05sure, why not?18:33
freemangordonjust mentioning18:33
DocScrutinizer05not everybody is like djszapi18:33
Lava_Croftno shit key found18:33
freemangordon(whoever he is :D )18:33
freemangordonLava_Croft: read the logs18:33
DocScrutinizer05ooh, you never been in #harmattan18:33
freemangordonwell, been there a couple of times, for a couple of minutes :D18:34
freemangordonbut usually I pester arcean when I join there :D18:34
DocScrutinizer05then it probably been djszapi who made you quit18:34
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DocScrutinizer05I *think* you can find him here in this chan's logs too, long before HARM appeared18:35
Lava_Croftthe name doesnt ring a negatively sounding bell18:35
DocScrutinizer05asking insane questions and bitching at us when he didn't get right answers18:35
freemangordonnever seen him18:36
Lava_Croftoh that does ring a bell18:36
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freemangordoni've missed the party it seems :D18:36
DocScrutinizer05like "how do I install xterm?" "it's already installed!" "not here, sucker!"18:36
Lava_Croftmaybe he is culturally inclined to talk like that18:37
Sicelowhere did pupnik go?18:37
Sicelo~seen pupnik18:39
infobotpupnik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 483d 16h 48m 40s ago, saying: 'tegra chipset?'.18:39
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: the guy seemed supportive18:45
keriobut the key he found is for some internal thing nokia has, so he didn't know if he'll be able to use it18:46
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tommisi today broke my n900's stand thingy?18:55
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tommiswere could i get new back plate for cheap?18:55
keriotommis: try ebay18:56
keriofor instance, on the italian ebay there's an original one taken from a broken n900 for 6,43€18:58
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kguis repos still behind the flaky firewall?19:04
DocScrutinizer05right now it seems down19:07
DocScrutinizer05and it will stay down until Eero/Nemein moved it to exposed-IP19:08
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kguthey are the 'grid-guys'?19:08
DocScrutinizer05Seems Eero gave up on the Endian FW and decided to expose the repo IP to internet19:08
DocScrutinizer05well, basically one of them is19:09
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FIQthe repository worked yesterday, how come?19:09
FIQit was slow, but it worked :p19:09
kguok, lets hope it will come alive again19:09
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: we had a short time where repo 'worked', immediately after FW reboot. yes19:14
FIQthen 50000 N900s decided to DDoS the server, including mine I guess?19:15
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: see update1219:15
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, please look at mail from @nokia. Council or board should answer19:17
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ShadowJKthe fw sounds like linksys stuff. tcp/udp expire times so high all conntrack tables get full19:29
keriohey, linksys is good19:30
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kerioperhaps dlink19:30
kguI cant see how the N900s can bring rmo down. They dont try to update at the same time19:31
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: in 2 hours19:59
DocScrutinizer05Pali: had not even time to check mail yet19:59
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DocScrutinizer05meeting  now19:59
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, see discussion with nokia guy:
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RST38hMeanwhile: Unlocking Your Phone Is Illegal Starting Tomorrow20:26
RST38h(in the US of course, where else?)20:26
freemangordonRST38h: whaat?20:27
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keriowarfare: install cssu-thumb!21:40
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warfarekerio: yesterday HAM complained about some repos not working.21:41
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keriowell, you can enable mirrors21:42
kerioand disable the "ignore packages from wrong domain" in the hidden settings21:42
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warfarekerio: that could do the trick, I'll try later.21:44
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GeneralAntillesThe difference between Maemo and Harmattan:22:23
GeneralAntillesBoth make simple tasks (decompressing an archive, searching for a URL in the browser history), but with Maemo those things can be worked around22:24
GeneralAntillesHarmattan they're just impossible.22:25
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keriothey make tasks?22:25
GeneralAntillesWant to decompress a rar file? Good luck. (Dumbass)22:25
Estel_Pali,  where is the "usual place" for latest kernel-power, and why it's not linked in first post in any kp thread?:P22:26
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GeneralAntilleskerio, er, make them difficult22:26
Estel_ kernel-power development thread proudly states - in opening post - that currently, latest version is kp50. Kernel-power "main" thread talks about kp 51. I'm using kp51r1, and I'm supposed to find kp52 "somewhere"22:26
Estel_sorry for pestering, just wanted to highlight, that from perspective of someone who haven't read every single post of kp thread - unlike the old days - it's nearly impossible to find it22:27
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Palihere is link:
Estel_opening posts of kp threads just beg to have static link to place, where it's to be found22:28
Estel_thanks a lot22:28
PaliI wanted to push it to extras-devel...22:28
Estel_yea, I know22:28
Pali...but autobuilder not working22:28
Estel_I think you can forget it for next ~month :P22:28
Paliafter will be inextras-devel I will create new thread22:28
Estel_autobuilder? devel doesnt work, too22:28
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Estel_and extras, at all22:28
Estel_and few other things, too :P22:28
Estel_and anyone supposing that it will be fixed in less than few weeks is overly optimistic.22:29
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PaliFerenc today fixed garage git repos22:29
PaliI got mail and tried to push kp52 to garage and it worked22:30
Estel_nice to hear22:30
Estel_btw, in post you've submitted, same link is repeated 4 times in row, or is it just me?22:30
Estel_well, when it comes to maemo infrastructure - unlike in real life - I'm pesimistic, so I can be only positively surprised22:31
Estel_I start in position of not expecting anything on Maemo infra to work, at all, including this irc channel - or expect it all to break anytime soon - so every line of irc here or every time wiki doesn't fail to load (like it does 50% of times) I'm positively surprised. It's good for health, me thinks.22:32
Siceloafter GeneralAntilles' talk about harmattan, this infrastructure move has affected N9 users or not?22:33
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Estel_thanks Pali, going to rock on new kp and updated usbmode, will report about results, sometime in future22:35
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Estel_question to anyone accustomed to it - current state of bme replacement is usable for every-day, if properly handled?22:36
Estel_i.e. no showstoppers?22:36
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kerionot that i've experienced22:36
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Estel_lame question again, where are .item things for uboot or multiboot or?22:39
Estel_it always appeared automagically after kernel-power-bootimg install22:40
Estel_not that I can't create it myself, just curious22:40
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Estel_thanks, noticed this myself at the same time, could check twice before asking22:41
kerioEstel_: by the way, peripheral without charging will kinda drain the n900's battery22:41
Estel_80 mA isnt much22:41
kerio80mA is a lot22:41
Estel_37.5 hours is still more than average notebook battery :P22:42
Estel_also, no one is forced to use it22:42
Estel_just trigger, when you want to connect N900 as client through USB to something battery powered, without vampiric drain on said device power22:43
kerioEstel_: just disable the charging and connect22:43
Estel_500 mA after negotiation is overkill for many netbooks/notebooks22:43
Estel_wut? charging will auto-re enable22:43
kerioalso, i wonder if it's possible to charge very little22:43
kerioEstel_: why is that?22:43
Estel_well, N900, as client, need boost to estabilish connection22:44
Estel_i.e. 5V22:44
kerioecho none > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150x_charger/mode22:44
Estel_= enabling auto mode22:44
Estel_see bq24150 documentation, if I haven't messed somethink22:45
keriothen how would this "peripheral without charging" mode be implemented?22:45
Estel_BTW, trick with charging very low is possible, using steps provided by chip (50 or 150 is lowest)22:45
keriooh, wouldn't that be even better?22:45
kerioyou won't drain the n900's battery22:46
Estel_but if you're sharing internet connection to notebook or something in train, you don't want N900 to draw *any* power22:46
keriousually a netbook's battery is much bigger22:46
Estel_as N900 battery will still last much longer than notebook one, by factors of few22:46
Estel_yea, it's bigger, and netbook uses much more :P22:46
keriouse the netbook to charge the n900, use the n90022:46
Estel_well, no problem for me, as I don't have netbook, and my notebook is acting like desktop, since I got N900 :P22:47
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kerioseriously though, how would you implement this?22:47
Estel_N900 + small usb keyboard + usb/bluetooth mouse is my travel kit22:47
keriodisable the charging once the connection is established?22:47
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Estel_kerio, exactly22:48
keriowell, that's kinda easy22:48
ShadowJKN900 charging chip lowest charge current setting 550mA, but also input curren limits 100, 500 and 800mA available22:48
Estel_if it wouldn't work, last resort is for N900 to provide boost for itself22:48
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Estel_well, when I got hit by bug of "peripherial mode with boost", my device immediately though it got connected to something22:49
ShadowJKif you kill bme after connecting to laptop, charging will drop to 100mA input limit in 30s or so?22:49
Estel_and presented me with screen inviting to choose mode (mass storage, pc suite)22:49
Estel_ShadowJK,  yes, but after 30 minutes, charging chip or omething will kick reboot22:49
Estel_or 32 minutes22:49
kerioShadowJK: we're using pali's bq24k module anyway22:50
Estel_I remember vaguely, that something doesn't like charging in emergency mode for too long22:50
Estel_kerio,  if "just disabling charging" wouldn't work, then, peripherial + boost should work - after all, nothing would drain this 200mA, so only part of it would get wasted22:51
ShadowJKnah dunno, I've had various charge script mods for faster charging, and had failsafes that triggered and made my script abort, leaving device without bme or anything.. and device was still alive in the morning :P22:51
Estel_without bme but connected, charging in emergency, with bright orange led?22:52
kerioEstel_: you probably also want pali's battery applet22:52
kerioit is good22:52
Estel_interesting, worth trying22:52
Estel_kerio, sure22:53
kerioexcept that if your bq27k is properly calibrated, you'll want to modprobe -r rx51_battery22:53
Estel_it's probably in bme replacement section of his site? where is his site, again?22:53
keriobecause it's less accurate22:53
ShadowJKbright orange led is the "JK's charge algorithm failed and failsafes triggered" indicator :P22:53
infobotfrom memory, pali is
keriothere's no section for that, though :c22:53
Estel_kerio,  rx-51 is totally inacurrate, as it use "design capacity", which is *never* right22:53
kerioEstel_: tell him, maybe you'll be more successful than me22:54
Estel_no idea why Pali use it at all, maybe I don't know something22:54
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Estel_well, early mugens had thermpresistor there, so "design capacity" changed with temperature...22:54
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Estel_Pali, I'm telling you, that "design capacity" is depreciated and shouldn't be used for anything22:54
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kerio<Pali> rx51_battery reports value which is not wrong as value from bq27x22:55
Estel_even nokians screwed it, when upgraded bl-5j to 1420 mAh22:55
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kerio(should read "not as wrong" i think)22:55
Estel_they use same resistor, that was in 1320 mAh bl-5j22:55
Estel_define not wrong or not as wrong22:55
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Estel_calibrated bq27x00 is accurate, rx_51 never is22:56
Estel_design capacity is read from value of resistor between BMI and battery -, so whatever is put there, it's design capacity. Some manufacturers even put thermoresistor there, which confuses hell out of rx_5122:56
ShadowJKhm, I should check on my other device where I have new bl-5j, but IIRC they upped the design capacity resistor in it.22:57
Estel_Pali, what madness made you to use it and give it priority over bq27x00?22:57
Estel_ShadowJK,  I got 100% original 1420 BL-5J from brand new nokia asha22:57
Estel_and it had same resistor22:57
Estel_maybe it differs from batch to batch22:57
Estel_I measured battery to determine if they really upped the capacity, then, I disassembled it22:58
PaliEstel_, bq27k chip not reporting correct max values if battery is not calibrated22:58
Palialso calibration can change max value only for some %22:58
Estel_Pali,  sure - but rx_51 *never* reports correct values22:58
Estel_no matter if calibrated or not22:58
ShadowJKEstel_; iirc 1320mAh batt had 1200mAh design capacity :)22:58
Paliso you need to do more cycles for better values22:59
warfarekerio: cssu-thumb complains about missing packages (libmameosec0, upstart, etc.). I have community, community-testing, community-thumb and extras enabled.22:59
warfareany hints?22:59
PaliShadowJK, do you have rx51_battery kernel module?22:59
keriowarfare: enable redpill mode, and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains"22:59
Estel_Pali, but rx_51 take "design capacity" from some random resistor, that no one, even manufactures, care of22:59
Estel_They put whatever there22:59
ShadowJKPali; no, I mean as reported by bme23:00
Estel_whatever around 100kOhm23:00
keriowarfare: also, how did you install community-ssu-enabler correctly? a mirror for community-testing?23:00
Estel_but it reads "design capacity" from same source - resistor23:00
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keriowarfare: either have community or community-testing enabled23:00
Estel_it is only thing used to "code" design capacity23:00
kerioboth are simply useless, -testing will trump stable anyway23:00
Estel_except that no one cares about it and no manufacturer, even Nokia, uses it properly23:00
Estel_Whatever rx_51 shows, is not related to battery at all, it's just "something around 1320"23:01
keriowarfare: also, /j #maemo-ssu23:01
warfarekerio: Somehow I've installed the cssu-enabler by hand (cssu-testing) and did the upgrade with HAM.23:01
Estel_less or more, depending on higher or lower resistor put there23:01
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Estel_Pali ^23:01
Paliif you have some idea how to fix this problem.... you have calibrated 12xx mAh battery, then you change it with 14xx or 1yyy battery, how should design capacity be read?23:01
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Estel_Pali, no physical way to read it, just re-calibration. But, rx_51 doesn't help here23:02
Estel_as 1yyy battery manufacturer doesn't give a shit about coding design capacity into it23:02
Palibq27k chip will not increase max capacity to normal new by one cycle and calibration23:02
Estel_just threat it as non-existent23:02
Estel_Pali, normally, it will23:03
Paliso what to show? old capacity?23:03
Estel_it won't only, if you change battery by very high values, like 1200 -> 2700 mAh23:03
Palifor new better battery??23:03
Estel_Pali, sure, until it's calibrated. And use *need calibration* flag23:03
Estel_it is exported by driver23:03
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Paliand what to show if you totally discharge battery and bq chip will be reseted?23:04
Estel_chip have flag that shows "need calibration"23:04
Paliafter that max capacity wil be read from design register which is 2048 (or something) mAh23:04
Estel_vdq is 1 during proper discharge cycle23:04
Estel_so, when chip acknowledge new capacity, vdq changes to 023:04
PaliEstel_ calibration flag will be deleted after vdq23:04
ShadowJKI've never managed to reset bq on purpose by power starvation :)23:04
Estel_Pali, it is 2048, but only if you put battery out ans bupbat is dead23:05
Palibut bq chip will not set correct max capacity with one cycle23:05
Estel_so, alongside clock, chip will reset23:05
PaliShadowJK, I was able to do that23:05
Estel_for regular batteries, it will, during 2 cycles at worst23:05
Estel_heck, even from 1300 to 3100 I need two cycles only23:06
kerioEstel_: so this battery is only 1420 mAh? :(23:06
keriogoddammit, vi____ said it was 160023:06
* ShadowJK has a for when changing battery23:06
Estel_maybe his relative capacity was 1600 on device, constant current test show ~140023:06
Estel_Pali, there is no perfect solution to this, but rx_51 is making things even worse23:07
Estel_not onlynot helping at all, but just outright lying about capacity, taking it from moon23:07
Estel_and consider confusion, when someone use battery with thermoresistor here, i.e. "design capacity" changing every few minutes or hours23:08
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Estel_or bug reports, that it shows 1320 for their new, oryginal, Nokia's 1400 batteries :P23:08
Estel_or 1200, as Shadowjk said about design capacity of 1320 one23:08
Estel_it's a mess23:08
Estel_never ever use design capacity for anything, except scarry'ing children23:09
kerioEstel_: Pali's battery applet - now including a thermometer23:09
Paliso propose solution how to get design capacity23:09
Estel_Pali, there is no such thing23:09
Paliwhich wil work in every situation23:09
keriowhy do we even want the design capacity anyway23:09
Estel_no thing in chip or battery itself reports capacity (properly). period23:09
Estel_consider it non-existent23:10
keriowe want the current capacity23:10
Palicurrent capacity is calculated from design23:10
Palibq chip doing it23:10
Estel_so, my 3000mAh battery, which reports design of 1200, will show 600 mAh left on 50%?!23:11
keriobq27k *counts* the mAh that pass through, aiui23:11
Estel_no no no, current capacity is and always was full capacity - used capacity23:11
Estel_yea, bq counts capacity used, variable one23:11
Estel_ShadowJK can confirm ;)23:12
Palipercentage is calculated from current and design23:12
Estel_absolutely no23:12
ShadowJKkerio; if it was repeatable (the adc and resistor thermal drift seems to say otherwise), and accurate, it'd be nice gauge of battery health to compare current capacity vs design... On N9, the bq chip has "Impedance Track" thingy which does a more useful thing of comparing battery impedance. SpeedEvil's research path is similar, in determining the useful usable capacity of a battery and getting useful "battery low" thresholds so you dont get surpris23:12
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kerioand that's another thing that's dead wrong23:12
ShadowJKe shutdowns or sudden unexpected battery low warnings :)23:12
Estel_or my 3000 mAh battery would get 280%23:12
kerioas my "110%" charge can report23:12
kerioEstel_: yep :D23:12
Estel_Pali,  using bq27x00 or later i2c get raw data from chip, I never, ever, saw using design capacity to calculate anything23:13
Estel_over years23:13
ShadowJKDesign Capacity = battery capacity when brand new. Capacity = current battery capacity. Charge = current amount of charge stored in the battery (where maximum = capacity, maximum when brand new = design capacity)23:13
Estel_percentage is derived from full capacity/current capacity23:14
Estel_ShadowJK,  but lets stick to practice, not theory23:14
kerioEstel_: just rmmod rx51_battery :)23:14
ShadowJKIn general, when Capacity divided by  Design Capacity is less than 0.8, it's time to replace batt23:14
Estel_how calculates % of battery?23:14
Estel_you wrote it, and you never used design capacity there, as reported by resistor23:14
ShadowJKEstel_; as reported by bq. When calibrated, it's (current charge / current capacity) * 10023:15
Estel_kerio, rc51_battery get autoloaded after appled installation? need to blacklist it?23:15
Estel_Pali, see? bq doesnt use design capacity for it23:15
kerioEstel_: it's autoloaded by the bme replacement23:15
kerioit's not "auto"loaded23:15
kerioit's modprobed by /etc/event.d/bme23:16
keriobut the battery applet is quite flexible23:16
ShadowJK"Design Capacity" is ILMD in bq, but the preprogrammed value is silly :)23:16
kerioyou can do whatever you want and it'll switch after a handful of seconds23:16
Estel_so just need to edit this event.d script, ok23:16
Estel_I respect and admire Pali's work - it's just that using so-called design capacity for anything is wrong, because, as ShadowJK said, it's just silly value not related to reality23:17
Paliyou need rx51_battery which reporting battery temperature to dsme and pulseaudio23:17
Estel_what? I feel terrorized :P why pulseaudio want my battery temperature?!23:17
Estel_also, couldn't bq27x00 report it, like in good old times?23:18
PaliI do not know23:18
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Palitemperature from bq chip is not battery temperature (this wrote nokia bme devs)23:18
Estel_ok, so couldn't rx51_battery just fulfil those needs, without touching design capacity with a long stick, and messing with battery applet?23:18
Paliand I implemeted battery temperature reading to rx51_battery23:18
ShadowJKEstel_; if the bq chip had been used as intended, and as OpenMoko did it, integrated into the battery, it would've been properly programmed with ILMD which could be used as a proper source of "design cpacity" :)23:18
Estel_hell! there is no other temp chip in device23:19
kerioEstel_: it's just the applet that prioritizes rx51_battery data over bq27x00_battery data23:19
Estel_Pali, only one source of temp indication is inside bq23:19
kerioShadowJK: no it wouldn't've23:19
keriothey would've put a random value in, as usual23:19
kerioespecially the crap batteries23:19
Estel_so whatever rx51_battery reads, it's the same as bq27x00 reads23:19
ShadowJKThere's a temperature sensor connected to madc, according to the schematics23:19
PaliEstel_, not true23:19
Palirx51_battery and bme using temperature sensor from madc23:20
Estel_so we got *two* of them?23:20
Estel_ok. Sorry. My mistake. wasn't aware of that, and lived in lie about it23:20
Estel_<Estel_> ok, so couldn't rx51_battery just fulfil those needs, without touching design capacity with a long stick, and messing with battery applet?23:20
Estel_still applies23:20
keriorx51_battery doesn't "touch" anything23:20
kerioit just reports data23:21
kerioit's the battery applet that's in denial23:21
Estel_kerio, you know what I mean23:21
Paliall: I'm going to hacking kernel. If you have better solution how to determinate "design capacity" ping me back23:21
Palisolution should work in any state23:21
Estel_there is no design capacity23:21
Estel_why the hell applet prioritize anything?23:21
Estel_just let users set what it should care about23:21
kerioEstel_: it goes rx51 module -> bq27k module -> bme -> bq27k over i2c, aiui23:21
Estel_if someone want to use rx51_battery data for battery applet, let it be23:22
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keriopatches welcome :)23:22
Estel_Pali, better solution, as you asked - either doesn't care for design capacity in battery applet, or at least let user change priorities23:22
ShadowJKI agree, UI shouldn't care about "Design Capacity". On N9, the UI does care, but only as far as to display "Battery Health: OK" or something like that.23:23
Estel_so one could set bq27x00 as higher priority over rx51_battery for applet23:23
PaliEstel_ I need something as "design" capacity for calculating percentages23:23
kerioyou shouldn't use "design", design becomes useless in two months23:23
Estel_<ShadowJK> Estel_; as reported by bq. When calibrated, it's (current charge / current capacity) * 10023:23
Paliand then is not calibrated?23:24
kerioyeah, i'd use the bq27k fuel gauge23:24
Estel_here are your percents23:24
Palinote that CI flag is not enought for calibration23:24
Estel_shit. If it's not calibrated, "design capacity" doesn't help!23:24
ShadowJKPali; you don't really, percentage should be calculated against "last measured capacity".  Even lapotops do that :)23:24
Estel_why healing cold with cancer?23:24
keriothe issue is the usual dumb user who doesn't know what a battery is23:25
Paliwhat about max(bq_max, rx_desing) ?23:25
Palias design capacity?23:25
keriobut those will use bme data, anyway23:25
freemangordonPali: you'd better use bq if calibrated, otherwise design reported by rx5123:26
Estel_freemangordon,  design reported by rx51 is even worse than not calibrated bq23:27
ShadowJKand "battery capacity" as LMD != ILMD ? BSI : LMD23:27
Estel_or, calculate it in any way you want, just allow user to overwrite priority settings in battery applet, even if by simple text file23:27
freemangordonEstel_: no, it is not, for genuine batteries23:28
kerioif bq27k isn't calibrated, don't show the charge max and use the percentage from bq27k23:28
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ShadowJK(use LMD if LMD is not same as ILMD, if LMD same as ILMD use BSI reported capa)23:28
Estel_to allow users set bq27x00 as higher priority over rx51 *always*, if desired. Problem solved23:28
Estel_freemangordon,  nope, as said, genuine batteries have it screwed too23:28
kerioShadowJK: what's ILMD?23:28
freemangordonEstel_: if bq not calibrated, values reported are bogus23:28
Paliif bq27k is not calibrated kernel driver is not reporting any capacity23:28
Palionly voltage and current23:28
Estel_1320 ones got 1200 in design capacity, 1400 ones use same, but some of them, reportedly, say 132023:28
freemangordonthis ^^^ too23:28
kerioPali: it's still reporting the percentage, right?23:29
freemangordonEstel_: all nokia batteries I have here report its design capacity through rx51 correctly23:29
Estel_hm, strange, using i2cget raw readings, I have capacity no matter what23:29
Estel_even if not calibrated23:29
freemangordonve've verified that on a couple of other devices23:29
Estel_ShadowJK,  how do you deal with it in
freemangordonEstel_: but it is bogus23:30
Estel_well, zillions of devices using over years can confirm, that capacity should be reported even on uncalibrated (but wrong capacity)23:30
Estel_nothing more bogus than using some hardcoded resistor put inside battery to determine it's capacity and percentage23:30
ShadowJKEstel_; i don't. is specifically reporting raw bq27200 stuff. The only "modified truth" I do is that the chip reports a flag status for charging/discharging, and I apply that to the reported current23:31
Estel_you could as good screw it and hardcode 1200 as this value into applet23:31
freemangordonEstel_: wrong23:31
freemangordonmi 1360 reports as 136023:31
freemangordonmy 1430 reports as 143023:31
freemangordongenuine nokia23:31
Estel_so wtf is with kernel driver, that it doesn't get same things as i2c can get from bq chip?23:31
kerioEstel_: you can still read the "registers" file, it's a text file23:32
Estel_freemangordon,  nice. My 100% genuine 1420 bl-5j from Nokia asha, brand new, from carrier, reports 120023:32
Estel_so what?23:32
Estel_it's guessworking23:32
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kerioand it has the raw data23:32
Estel_mugens use thermoresistor, and design capacity can change every minute during device runtime23:32
freemangordonEstel_: there is no 1420 mAh in ashas ;)23:32
freemangordonit is 143023:32
freemangordonso, check once again if it is genuine23:32
keriotrolls trolling trolls trolling Pali23:33
Palieverybody with kp52 please paste your outputs of: $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/rx51-battery/uevent23:33
Estel_doest it change anything re design capacity being silly value, that shouldn't be used for anything in UI?23:33
kerioPali: it's a bunch of lines23:33
freemangordonEstel_: what I am saying is to ise it as a last resort23:33
PaliEstel_, freemangordon, kerio ^^^^23:33
freemangordonPali: no kp52 here :(23:33
Estel_freemangordon,  could agree (although don't like forcing it as last resort, would like to keep bq readings or no readings at all, until calibrated)23:34
kerio , and the battery is *not* 1267mAh, it's around 140023:34
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Estel_as design capacity is just bullshit, not related to reality at all. Or related, if you got lucky, but not physically23:34
freemangordonkerio: I guess it is that chinese one?23:34
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kerioit's a pretty nice battery, and it costs 10USD23:35
keriovi____ was luckier than me i suppose23:35
freemangordonnot here :D (shipped)23:35
kerio(calibrated 1600mAh)23:35
keriovi____: i hate you23:35
kerioMilhouse_01: hi23:35
Estel_Pali, second, I'll reboot device to get kp52 modules loaded etc23:35
ShadowJKEstel_; amusingly even before I didn't use statusbar batterymeter, I had a monstrous script that read data from "hal-device bme" every minute and applied heurestics to make it make more sense and be more useful :)23:36
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Milhouse_01sorry, i just recognized that the maemo server is down23:36
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* ShadowJK unfortunately lost that with first dead n900 :(23:36
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freemangordonShadowJK: I guess once calibrated bq reports correct values.23:36
Milhouse_01is there any chance the get a backup of pr1.3 firmware for n90023:36
ShadowJKfreemangordon; yes23:36
kerioPali: it would be neat to have a "flags" dir for easy access to flags and a "raw" dir for easy access to the content of the registers23:36
kerioMilhouse_01: being down is recent23:37
keriothere's plenty of backups, i'm not sure if any of them are public, considering that it's not legal to redistribute the images23:37
freemangordonso, what I am trying to say, is to use the lower reading from rx51, until bq gets calibrated, not those bogus > 200mAh reported by bq when not calibrated23:37
Palikerio, I sent bq27k patch with file "registers" to upstream but was rejected23:37
keriothe registers file is in here, i wanted *more* :323:38
keriofreemangordon: if bq27k isn't calibrated, don't show the full capacity23:38
kerioput a question mark23:38
freemangordonkerio: this is the driver23:38
Milhouse_01hmm... i'll never buy anything from Nokia again ... waiting for Jolla23:38
freemangordonnot the bq itself afaik23:38
kerioMilhouse_01: it's not like you can buy more n900s from nokia23:39
ShadowJKfreemangordon; specifically, if reported LMD (Last measured discharge) isn't a value exactly equal to that of LMD=ILMD; and/or loop: LMD=LMD-LMD/6; (iirc)23:39
freemangordonShadowJK: you lost me :). I am not that much involved in bq stuff(like you, Pali and doc)23:40
freemangordonbut what i have seen to be reported by an uncalibrated bq is something like 2057 mAh23:41
kerioMilhouse_01: we're in the middle of a bigass transition from nokia-owned stuff to community-owned stuff23:41
kerioconfusion is to be expected23:41
PaliI got 20xx max capatity too23:41
kerioPali: well perhaps you should calibrate your bq27k :P23:41
freemangordonwhich is insane to be shown to an enduser23:41
Paliand because BME turning device off before EDV1, it wss never correct23:42
keriofreemangordon: so just don't show it23:42
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Paliso we should not use uncalibrated max capacity from bq27k23:42
Paliand then we should not use % from bq27k23:42
Pali(because % is calculated from max capacity)23:43
keriothe percentage from bq27k is taken from LMD aiui23:43
freemangordonthat's why I think it is better to either show rx51 readings (which will be somehow relevant for new genuine batteries) or as kerio says, show "capacity unknown"23:43
Milhouse_01hmm ok. thanks i will see23:43
Palipercentage in bq27k is current/max*10023:43
freemangordonuntil calibrated that is23:44
kerioShadowJK: what's the percentage calculated by bq27k when it's not calibrated but has done a couple of cycles of charge-discharge?23:44
Milhouse_01bye! CU23:44
kerioMilhouse_01: hold on23:44
Palikerio, % is calculated by ^^^^ always23:45
keriomerlin1991: do you have the fiasco images for pr1.3 somewhere?23:45
ShadowJKfreemangordon; so, "last measured discharge" (LMD) is the capacity bq thinks battery has. ILMD (I=initial) is a preprogrammed default value of 2000-something mAh. On each valid full to empty charge, LMD gets adjusted based on how much juice the battery had before reachign empty. There's, however, a safeguard preventing "large" capacity adjustments (because chip was designed to be integrated into battery, and would expect small gradual degradation of capac23:45
ShadowJKity, not big steps).. IIRC that limit is 1/6th of LMD.. so, if LMD=ILMD, or if LMD is a value which can be derived by starting with LMD=ILMD and sbtracting 1/6th of LMD from LMD, it would indicate the proper capacityy hasnt been learned23:45
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ShadowJKPali; bq % is not calculated from max capacity. it's calculated from last measured capacity23:46
Paliah, yes I mean that (in kernel there is max and design)23:47
Palimax = bq_last and design = bq_max23:47
kerioShadowJK: but it requires a vdq-edv1 cycle, right?23:47
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kerioEstel_: what's the value reported by rx51 on your mugen?23:47
freemangordonShadowJK: thanks23:47
Estel_ok, back, I'm on kp52 now23:48
Estel_kerio, i don't use mugen at the moment - dual scud23:48
Estel_it reports 1200, obviously23:48
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PaliI have there another problem: now hald-addon-bme turn off device when EDVF is set. But I got problem with "enter pin code" when battery was between EDV1 and EDVF23:48
Estel_mugens got thermoresistors there, so design capacity changes with temperature23:48
Paliand GSM modem not worked23:48
kerioso bq27k's value of 2000 is more accurate than rx51's value of 120023:48
Paliafter I charged battery23:49
Estel_Pali, what was this thing to cat23:49
kerioPali: not even after charging a bit?23:49
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freemangordonEstel_: hmm, why 1200?23:49
keriocat /sys/class/power_supply/rx51-battery/uevent23:49
ShadowJKPali; too low battery23:49
freemangordonI guess you got those in parallel23:49
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keriofreemangordon: it has the value of a single scud23:49
Paliso I will change code to turn off device when EDV1 will be set23:49
Estel_freemangordon, yea, but resistor is only one23:49
Paliwhat do you think? ^^^23:50
freemangordonaah, ok23:50
Estel_I don't use two connectors23:50
Estel_just two cells23:50
freemangordonok, got it23:50
kerioPali: in the applet? in hald-addon-bme?23:50
kerioi'm not sure23:50
Estel_single scud is 1500 in reality, btw23:50
kerioPali: it would screw up by calibration script23:50
ShadowJKPali; EDV1 (3248 mV) is already pretty marginal for modem. EDVF at 2800 or something is just too low. the modem is getting undervolted and crashing, then getting rebooted. UI presents enter pin code.23:50
Estel_1400 by design, and 1200 by design reported via resistor :P23:50
Estel_crashing modem due to undervolting may be not healthy for it23:51
kerioPali: perhaps wait a tiny bit after edv1 is set?23:51
Estel_just wild guess23:51
PaliEstel_: cat /sys/class/power_supply/rx51-battery/uevent23:51
freemangordonEstel_: well, curse mugen for not putting the correct resistor then :P23:51
kerioyeah, we shouldn't get to the brownout point23:51
keriofreemangordon: no, mugen has a thermistor there23:51
freemangordonor scud23:51
kerioeven more fun23:51
Estel_Pali, no reason why device couldn't shutdown at edv123:51
Estel_bme killed it at higher voltage, most of the times23:52
kerioEstel_: to calibrate bq27k23:52
freemangordonI wonder why the hell they put a thermistor there23:52
Estel_or, even better, lets shutdown device at sysfs value set by user :)23:52
kerioPali: can you make it wait like 30 seconds?23:52
kerioEstel_: hald-addon-bme is userland23:52
ShadowJKWith japod batt and recent nokia batt, there's seconds of useful life available after 3248mV. With mugen and crap ancient bl-5j, device can last hour or two after 3248 (ignoring modem unreliability)23:52
freemangordonPali: can;t we put the device offline?23:52
Estel_freemangordon,  cause they had a batch of those lying around? :P23:52
kerioPali: my (and most) calibration scripts work by charging until vdq, then disabling the charging, then polling every 5 or 10 seconds until edv1, and then restarting the charging23:53
kerioall of this with the charger attached23:53
ShadowJKfreemangordon; historically Nokia used thermistor too.23:53
ShadowJKfreemangordon; back in nimh days :)23:53
freemangordonShadowJK: I see. but in n900 it has a different purpose23:53
keriodo you have a reasonable way to make it wait like a minute before shutting down?23:53
Estel_other lines interesting too?23:54
freemangordonEstel_: 1200?23:55
Estel_hey, hey, wait a second. When I last checked there was sysfs entry for bq45... charger23:55
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Estel_freemangordon,  seems it deteriorated23:55
Estel_resistor changed resistance over years of usage23:55
Estel_= this strange value23:55
freemangordonyeah, sure23:55
freemangordonrx51 driver is out for 2-3 months or something23:56
Estel_I can check it again after two weeks and you will see it changed slightly23:56
Estel_no, no23:56
Estel_it was readable for ages23:56
freemangordonit uses a different formula compared to nokia's binary (whatever the name was)23:56
Estel_via haldon-bme or something, don't remember23:56
Estel_so, I though about that nokia's value23:56
freemangordondon't :P23:56
Estel_as for rx51 it's first time I check it now23:56
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Estel_anyway, it's not related to reality, at all23:57
freemangordonit is23:57
Estel_nor for dual or single scud23:57
Estel_how come?23:57
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kerioPali: what about something even lower, like 3000mV? or would that be too low for the modem, still?23:57
freemangordonwell, those "duals" are some kind of exotic23:57
FIQif anyone asked about fiasco images, I have one...23:57
Estel_single scud have 1500 as new23:57
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kerioFIQ: the guy threw a tantrum and left23:57
FIQRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin23:58
FIQis what I have23:58
Estel_freemangordon,  even without exotic things, scuds are 150023:58
FIQthough not public23:58
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freemangordonEstel_: nokia genuine batteries report almost correct values23:58
freemangordonand that value will stay only for 2-3 recharge cycles23:58
Estel_sure, we can expect non-whitstanding support of genuine batteries, for next years :|23:58
freemangordonuntil bq gets calibrated23:58
Estel_I haven't said that your idea is bad23:58
Estel_it's that I see no reason why not allow user to change priority settings if desired23:59
Estel_so, let it be as you said by default23:59
freemangordonfor sure it is better than reporting > 2000mAh :)23:59
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Palikerio, I need logs why it report 110%23:59
Estel_and let ones like me, or kerio, or dr_frost_dk, or hal.f maemo, change it to never use rx51 values (battery applet)23:59
freemangordonon a cheapu 800mAh chinese23:59
Paliwithout it I cannot fix problem23:59

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