IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-01-23

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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I absolutely don't get it what's that path your mail took to you from lists.maemo.org00:15
DocScrutinizer05unless the first half is inbound *to* lists.maemo.org00:16
DocScrutinizer05and even then I'd wonder how smtp01.int.wmfi.net [81.22.170.76] comes in00:17
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fastaCan the work performed by the community be used on any other *new* hardware in let's say a few years time?00:24
fastaAt least, I would find it quite demotivating if the code I would be writing would be useless in 5-7 years.00:25
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khmall code is useless within 5-7 years00:26
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kerioyay bit rot00:29
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SpeedEvilall is a bit much00:52
SpeedEvilffmpeg00:52
SpeedEvilfor example00:52
khmokay, you're right.00:52
khmsome code becomes useless pretty much immediately.00:53
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SpeedEvilyup00:57
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DocScrutinizer05lol01:11
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keriokhm: MAME!01:24
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; yes it's also inbound part01:53
DocScrutinizer05still freakin weird01:54
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ShadowJKlooks like maemoqa/wmfi was part of both inbound and outbound path01:55
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DocScrutinizer05Received: from mail.maemo.org (test.maemo.org [188.117.59.198])02:04
DocScrutinizer05by myserver.cloud7.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0IMj2wS00845702:04
DocScrutinizer05for <maemocouncil@mydomain.xxx>; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:45:05 +010002:04
DocScrutinizer05That's it, direct transfer from council list to my alias on my server02:04
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DocScrutinizer05mmmpf02:10
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DocScrutinizer05I still wonder wtf test.m.o is doing for us02:12
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jonwilok, so is there an up-to-date list of what works, what works but is slow because of network issues (if there are any left) and what doesn't yet work?02:16
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure02:21
DocScrutinizer05and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=131458802:21
DocScrutinizer05or02:21
DocScrutinizer05~repo-down02:21
infobothmm... repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:4202:21
DocScrutinizer05short story: repo and autobuilder (plus relatives) are not working02:23
jonwilok, thanks for the info02:24
jonwilBut the mailing lists are 100% working?02:24
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DocScrutinizer05should, except some perceived delivery problems with gmail (and others?)02:31
DocScrutinizer05woody reported creation of accounts doesn't work due to maemo.org not sending confirmation mail02:32
DocScrutinizer05I haven't verified that yet02:32
DocScrutinizer05if you'd like to create a test account you're more than welcome to do so02:33
DocScrutinizer05qwazix reported he doesn't see any mails from lists.m.o02:33
DocScrutinizer05qwazix ->          38400   IN      MX      5 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.02:36
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jonwilI think the best answer is to put my GPRS research onto the wiki and then share links to that in the places that matter :)02:37
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_, who also seems to sufer problems at least for sending mails from tmo (according to chem|st) ->           86400   IN      MX      1 aspmx.l.google.com.02:37
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Mekkisis there any alternative to repo?03:12
Skry~mirror03:12
infobotrumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post131514303:12
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jonwil~seen kerio03:24
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jonwilkerio: ping04:00
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DocScrutinizer05possibly a bad time of day in his TZ04:05
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders wtf made knotify4 eat 50% of CPU04:06
DocScrutinizer05until I killed it04:07
DocScrutinizer05my poor CPU, this friffin thinkpad T500 can't even stand one core at max for extended period of time, CPU temp reached 100°C04:08
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ShadowJKwhat cpu?04:15
* ShadowJK makes mental note to run all cores at 100% CPU during first 14 days if he ever gets a new laptop04:16
robbiethe1stDocScrutinizer05, change the thermal settings - Get it to spin up the fan04:18
robbiethe1stFrom what I remember, the default windows setting was to keep the fan speed low.04:18
robbiethe1stOn Linux, it's not controlled by default - you have to install a Fan Control app, or it /will/ overheat at max. With such an app(or manual poking of the /sys file), it'll run fine.04:19
DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: I manually crank up fan to max speed04:20
DocScrutinizer05which seems ~5000RPM04:20
DocScrutinizer05probably it's time to shut down the device and clean the heatsink04:21
robbiethe1stYeah, ouch then04:21
robbiethe1stat max, it gets moderately warm on mine04:22
DocScrutinizer05meh, 68days uptime04:22
robbiethe1stLike 50-60C maby, if that. Been a long time.04:22
DocScrutinizer05since it last time shut down by overheat04:22
robbiethe1stCompressed air.04:22
robbiethe1stWorks wonders04:22
DocScrutinizer05that's shit dangerous, I already killed electronics of another laptop by spinning fan backwards or with way too high speed04:23
DocScrutinizer05even simple vacuum cleaner can cause that04:24
* ShadowJK almost killed a laptop once by blowing the dust into fan so that it stopped turning04:24
ShadowJKmeanwhile I wake up to unresponsive desktop, because firefox has once again exhausted my puny little 8G of ram04:24
ShadowJKI should remember to pkill -STOP before sleep04:25
DocScrutinizer05yeah, friggin firefox04:25
nox-once it was emacs now its browsers, `eight gigabytes and constantly swapping...'04:27
DocScrutinizer05but actually, while the one firefox instance is #2 on mem usage list after Xorg, it's followed by ~20 konqueror instances that range from half of FF (=220MB) to 48MB, and in between is just Konsole, PolypAudio >:-( Konversation and soffice04:28
DocScrutinizer05egacs?04:29
nox-now, yeah :)04:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway my 8GB are also used up 75%, with 12% swap used (RAM == SWAP size)04:30
DocScrutinizer05PA sucks04:31
ShadowJKhow much cache/buffers04:31
* ShadowJK has 100M right now04:31
DocScrutinizer05Mem:       8119428    7789356     330072          0      37352    218162804:33
DocScrutinizer05-/+ buffers/cache:    5570376    254905204:33
DocScrutinizer05Swap:      8916068    1037932    787813604:33
DocScrutinizer05still puzzling me04:33
ShadowJKso that's about 2.4gigs freeer than my system04:35
ShadowJKor more, since I have 6 gig in swap right now too04:35
DocScrutinizer05ouch04:35
DocScrutinizer05wth means that +/- buffers/cache line?04:35
ShadowJKused/free04:37
ShadowJKignoring cached disk04:37
ShadowJKwhich is still not entirely useful, as when exes get uncached you get issues, and swap can be cached too04:38
DocScrutinizer05aaah04:43
DocScrutinizer05~5570376 + 254905204:44
infobot811942804:44
khmyikes04:50
khmI don't think I ever go above 500mb used ram04:50
robbiethe1stMem:          7.8G       4.7G       3.1G         0B       226M       2.8G is me(free -h :P)04:51
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ShadowJKhm, took a shower, and firefo has still not responded :D05:06
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WizardNumberNextMem:   7925756k total,  7048708k used,   877048k free,   486468k buffers   Swap: 16777212k total,        0k used, 16777212k free,  3049048k cached07:37
WizardNumberNextmine mem usage is best, but I use firefox only for ebay and youtybe, this time I started it with two tabs and now I have one. Both were youtube, none ever changed07:39
WizardNumberNext 1465 marek     20   0 1157m 243m  30m S    1  3.1   5:59.39  6108 ?        0 914m   64 444m    4    0 firefox-bin07:39
WizardNumberNextridicilous - one tab!07:39
Skryyou needs w3m07:40
WizardNumberNextI think it won't play youtube07:42
WizardNumberNextI have 4 konqueror windows07:43
WizardNumberNextuse PA over jack2 (192kHz/32b)07:43
SkryChromium, 28 tabs,  1,397,744k07:57
Skrybut yeah, it's madness nowadays. half of my mem broke so I currently "only" have 4GB07:59
Skrynot enough07:59
Skrysoo I finally got around dumping my already stripped to bone kde in favor of spectrwm and can't say I'm not satisfied08:02
WizardNumberNextit is madness, so I use konqueror08:02
WizardNumberNextfully blown kde here08:03
WizardNumberNext9 desktops, 2 panels08:04
Skry22 desktops, zero panels :)08:04
WizardNumberNextthat must be completly different experience from kde08:05
Skrywell, kwin has tiling too but generally yes08:07
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SkryI fscking hated the fact that majority of my time on this comp went fighting with windows and obscure panels and such08:07
Skry+ the insane use of resources08:08
WizardNumberNextI don't care about resources - have 8GiB RAM and 6 core phenom 3.2GHz (most cores are running 800MHz any way)08:09
WizardNumberNextand RAM controller at 2.6GHz08:09
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WizardNumberNextI wish to get rid of pstate1 to be able to go up with RAM to 944MHz again08:12
Skrywell, when doing the exact same stuff you did 18 years ago with machine that had 2 megs of ram and 14MHz CPU, now makes my E8400 with 4GB ram feel slower, pretty much indicates that something is terribly wrong08:13
WizardNumberNextcannot get around it.08:13
WizardNumberNext~16*23608:14
infobot377608:14
WizardNumberNextbit too much for my coller08:14
DocScrutinizer05damn, I commented on exactly that "18 years ago" figure recently08:14
DocScrutinizer05I attributed it to lazy coders08:14
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WizardNumberNextwhat you would say about coders of our times08:15
DocScrutinizer05and apps with lots of useless animation and other eyecandy, but actually less useful functions than 18 years ago08:15
WizardNumberNextthey almost do not write - few more years and they would be buying soft, which would writing soft08:15
DocScrutinizer05we're almost there08:16
WizardNumberNextI know - it already started08:16
Skryyeah, people are doing guis and such with python nowadays, ain't that funnay08:16
WizardNumberNextbut it is not yet good enough08:17
DocScrutinizer05nah, qml is what I call funny08:17
Skrythat one too08:17
Skrythough I tend to like it, would never do anything, well, bigger with it08:18
DocScrutinizer05:nod:08:18
DocScrutinizer05though with qml and the like even "hello world" is kinda bigger already08:18
RST38hWin8 inspiration found: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dbeK6SItJm0/UP8BjgbhdoI/AAAAAAAAOcg/5xGfoq9FBrM/s1600/9031.jpg08:19
WizardNumberNextyou always can try to write it in assembly08:19
WizardNumberNextthat would be fun08:19
DocScrutinizer05HRRHRRHRRR08:19
WizardNumberNexthonestly I even cannot understand assembly yet08:19
DocScrutinizer05now we know where that tiles came from08:20
RST38hcolors and the icons style too08:20
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WizardNumberNextdamn good one RST38h08:21
Skryspeaking of developers, as, I now find myself watching amiga demos08:24
WizardNumberNextthose were good times08:25
Skryyes, still miss my amys08:25
WizardNumberNextactually AmigaOS was one of first (if not first) preemtible OS08:26
WizardNumberNextI still want to have A4000T08:26
Skrypretty pricey nowadays08:26
WizardNumberNextwith 68060+PPC08:26
WizardNumberNextyeah they aren't cheap08:26
SkryI sold my A1200+everything few years back when was forced to do so :\08:27
WizardNumberNextbut I would have to hunt for PPC with native m68k code execution - there are some of those08:27
WizardNumberNextmine simply got broken08:27
WizardNumberNextnever was in good shape08:27
WizardNumberNextI have to go, working outside of London again08:28
Skryok, have fun08:29
WizardNumberNextwould try to\08:29
WizardNumberNextyesterday we were cleaning solar panels from snow - this was fun08:30
WizardNumberNext50 panels to clean08:30
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DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: yeah, that been awesome (preemptive workbench)08:46
WizardNumberNextit always worked08:46
DocScrutinizer05my 2 pcs A1000 got nuked by RL disasters08:47
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WizardNumberNextI am going now, see yea rawly at 18 gmt+108:47
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DocScrutinizer05there been that extremely cute process monitor, which allowed to trace and tweak everything, from signals to memory allocation to priority to stdin/out redir to...08:49
DocScrutinizer05never seen anything better08:49
DocScrutinizer05like hyper-htop08:50
RST38hwhat was the name?08:50
DocScrutinizer05stuffed with sysinternals goodies08:50
DocScrutinizer05nfc, RST38h08:51
DocScrutinizer05that's like 20 years ago08:51
* RST38h kinda hoped it were SuperDashBoard08:52
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DocScrutinizer05sysmon maybe09:02
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Skryyea i think it was sysmon09:03
Skry..maybe, all those years..09:04
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jonwil~seen kerio09:58
infobotkerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 457 messages. Is idling for 8h 34m 12s, last said: 'khm: MAME!'.09:58
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keriojonwil: yes?10:24
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jonwilYou said something the other day about the need to clone the internet configuration stuff so that it is possible to add, edit and switch GPRS APs. Do you have any links or other further info on how this is done at the lower level (or if the lower levels even support it)?10:26
jonwilThat way I know what bits of the system need to be targeted for cloning :)10:26
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keriojonwil: just the UI, i think10:28
keriooh, and the autoconnection fucks up if you have more than one gprs connection10:28
Jaffa_DocScrutinizer05: jonwil: chem|st: I've not noticed having a problem getting emails from TMO. All the ones from the forum<->email bridge seem to have been coming through - it's just they've been coming through as from webmaster@talk.maemo.org, rather than harmattan@talk.maemo.org or n9@talk.maemo.org10:29
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keriolike, it always uses the first, or the last used10:29
kerioor something10:29
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keriobut i think that it's still a problem of UI, you can choose autoconnect settings for each IAP, iirc10:29
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keriowith gconftool10:29
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: yep, that's correct10:29
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if it ever been different10:30
Jaffa_It had, because my filters stopped working10:30
jonwilok, sounds like I need to target libinternetsettings.so plus whatever libraries it might load or link to10:30
DocScrutinizer05actually my notifications from e.g. 2011-11-01 also have webmaster@ for sender10:31
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DocScrutinizer05"maemo.org - Talk" <webmaster@talk.maemo.org>10:31
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DocScrutinizer05this is envelope-from10:32
Jaffa_DocScrutinizer05: I'm talking about the forum<->email bridge, not just notifications10:32
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: sorry, what's that bridge?10:33
Jaffa_DocScrutinizer05: It allows you to participate in the forum via push email, rather than having to use the web interface10:35
Jaffa_Comparison messages: http://pastebin.com/7LTDFYS2 (old) vs. http://pastebin.com/jyGcviYt (new)10:35
DocScrutinizer05is this an option in account settings?10:35
Jaffa_DocScrutinizer05: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3829 has some background from Reggie. There's a similar thread/post somewhere on TMO10:36
DocScrutinizer05mhm10:36
jonwilok, I think I know what to target now, first step I think might be to see how it decides to load the GPRS AP if you have autoconnect set10:37
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jonwilbut first my N900 is almost dead, need to charge the battery :)10:37
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: >>From the back-end, a unique email address needs to be assigned to each enabled forum (e.g. forum-general@meego.com, forum-handset@meego.com, etc.). <<10:38
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: we got mail bounces when sender is not a valid receiver addr too10:39
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: thus chem|st created just webmaster so far, aiui10:39
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jonwilbiggest problem with all this is (as usual) the total lack of documentation on the various shared libraries used by all of this (libconnui, libconnui_iapsettings, libconnui_cellular etc etc) Did I ever mention that I would give just about anything to have dev packages for those libraries? :)10:45
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: anyway that's clearly chem|st's domain10:47
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keriojonwil: just RE *everything*, duh :P10:48
jonwilThose shared libraries have been giving me trouble ever since I first started N900 work :)10:49
jonwilEven x86 versions of them would help a LOT (but they dont exist)10:49
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: I'm trying to discuss it with chem|st10:57
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teotwakiMy face when I discover weird crontabs on the root account of one of my production servers.12:30
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Skrymixture of surprise, disgust and pure anger?12:40
kerioteotwaki: "weird"?12:41
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jogayeah, what sort of weird?12:49
jogathe pwned kind? :/12:49
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teotwakino13:01
teotwakithe kind where the infrastructure guys installed a production crontab to backup some files, and do db maintenance on our production... on the source code (gitorious) server...13:02
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: aiui chem|st claimed nothing has changed, and thedead1440 confirmed that13:10
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I.E. mails look exactly like they did last year13:10
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: ^^^13:10
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa_: that's what i've been told13:10
DocScrutinizer05o/13:11
DocScrutinizer05afk13:11
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DocScrutinizer05at 11:25 UTC we enabled repo.m.o. Despite heavy initial load the rest of infra seems stable. On 11:29 page loaded13:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why is it so slow? still akamai?13:33
DocScrutinizer05kerio: 40k hungry N90013:34
kerioheh13:34
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kerioi thought we decided that it wasn't going to be a problem!13:34
DocScrutinizer05not under normal conditions13:34
DocScrutinizer05we synced them with our downtime13:34
DocScrutinizer05now all 40k are hungry13:35
keriohow did we do that? does HAM retry more often if the repos are down?13:35
DocScrutinizer05possible13:35
DocScrutinizer05anyway we'll watch the situation13:35
DocScrutinizer05for a day at least13:35
DocScrutinizer05most amazing: rest of infra stays stable, even fast13:36
DocScrutinizer05despite virtual channel to repo maxed out13:36
DocScrutinizer05FW throttling to shape traffic13:37
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do we have a nice page with cute graphs of the load and traffic?13:54
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DocScrutinizer05I bet somebody has. not me though13:55
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merlin1991hehe I should check if ham supports pdiffs and if yes this should be a #1 priority for our new sysadmins to set up14:17
merlin1991the extras-devel packages file is just too huge14:17
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DocScrutinizer05aaaaand everything down again14:52
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warfareDocScrutinizer05: Anyway I can help?15:05
DocScrutinizer05warfare: we're facing quite spooky issues with the firewall15:15
DocScrutinizer05goes down after 90min of flawlessly handling max load15:16
DocScrutinizer05rebooted FW, back to normal15:16
DocScrutinizer05thanks15:17
kerioi was going to say "holy crap it's blazing fast now" but it was just the cache :(15:17
DocScrutinizer05nah, it's fast now again15:17
DocScrutinizer05just repo probably down now again15:18
xesDocScrutinizer: fw is virtual ..isn't it?15:20
DocScrutinizer05yes15:21
DocScrutinizer05endian15:21
DocScrutinizer05actually repo isn't down15:21
DocScrutinizer05maybe we just need a cronjob to reboot the FW every 60 min ;-P15:22
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xesxen can emulate the network interface with various harware types...often vm kernel support is not of the same idea15:22
DocScrutinizer05I'll forward it like this15:23
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xeschanging kind of emulation could ensure stability with some kernel15:23
xesif remember well,  inside the vm there is an lts 12.04..15:24
warfareDocScrutinizer05: What Firewall are you using?15:24
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warfareJust Linux/iptables? Or something custom?15:24
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DocScrutinizer05Endian (community edition) - I heard15:25
warfareAnd this is virtualized on xen?15:26
warfareFull virtualization or para?15:26
DocScrutinizer05http://www.endian.com/en/community/15:26
DocScrutinizer05yep, virtualized on xen-grid15:27
warfareSounds like the machine is running out of conntrack entries.15:28
xesstatistacally talking: one firewall distro maybe already has this kind of optimizations15:30
warfareCan someone run " sysctl net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max" on this machine?15:31
DocScrutinizer05I think it's already been tuned15:31
DocScrutinizer05mompls15:31
DocScrutinizer05nope, not yet15:32
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warfarenot tuned or not back up yet? ;)15:39
DocScrutinizer05not tuned15:39
jonwilok, time to see about cloning libinternetsettings.so :)15:39
DocScrutinizer05afk15:40
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* thedead1440 doesn't understand why some people believe maemo.org domain must be changed to welcome new OSes...16:03
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khmthedead1440: I have the same confusion16:06
jonwilis wiki.maemo.org supposed to be slow right now?16:06
thedead1440khm: some people these days on TMO feel everything that is new must be given priority and everything else just ignored... A radical and foolish train of thought actually...16:07
khmyeah, speaking as an n810 owner, I know the feeling16:07
thedead1440well at least that was within the same maemo devices; now its on 3rd-party OSes that don't even have a single commercially available devices... The n810 thing happened to n900 when n9 first came in but things stabilize themselves a few months later as they have now16:08
khmright16:09
khmI've got all three devices; I know the story16:09
thedead1440:)16:09
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what stops those people from registering acmenewfutureforme.com and simply run their own forum instead of pushing renames of the existing one. Do those folks plan to hijack the rest of us?16:09
freemangordonthedead1440: I disagree that n9 the same thing to n900 as n900 to n81016:09
khmfreemangordon: the common thread is mer16:10
khmmer is a new n810 os!  I mean n900 os!  I mean n9 os!16:10
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thedead1440freemangordon: i meant it as in the way the forums were flooded; device closeness well we all know its not a point-for-point replica16:10
freemangordonkhm: :nod:16:10
khmbut yeah, the older devices get lost in the noise for a while when the new shiny comes out16:10
khmbut they recover16:10
jonwilok, wiki.maemo.org seems to be down completly now16:11
freemangordonthedead1440: aah, I see. But it was not n90, but all the hype around Meego16:11
jonwiloh wait no its just acting wierd16:11
freemangordonjonwil: it is just slow16:11
jonwilok16:11
freemangordonthe same for garage and such16:12
thedead1440freemangordon: something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1316898&postcount=2116:12
freemangordonthedead1440: yeah, i read that16:12
khmwho is going to pay for being the sailfish/plasma/ubuntu "hub"16:12
thedead1440it just doesn't make sense even more so when it comes from people who have been around for much longer16:13
khmalso ubuntu already has a fairly massive and overfunded community infrastructure16:13
freemangordonthe same was in meego times "maemo is dead, don;t waste your time"16:13
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thedead1440freemangordon: read abit on the Maemo/MeeGo thing; well we all know how that turned out :D16:15
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ShadowJKI think N900 activity always remained strong despite N9, maybe not so for N810. In a way, N900 was a very compelling upgrade to N81016:52
khmShadowJK: the n900 was a "better n810", but all it really added was phone and faster hardware16:53
khmthe n810 is still a great machine.  I have one I take with me often and one mounted to the dashboard of my motorcycle16:54
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ShadowJKSmaller screen though17:09
* RST38h moos17:09
RST38hShadowJK: Ever encountered situation where N900 battery suddenly registers as dead, the phone starts complaining, etc. Once I quit everything, lock it, and place it in my pocket, the battery goes back to "good" (50%) state after 15 minutes or so17:10
ShadowJK+Vastly improved perf, -smaller screen, +touch sensitivity, -no tablet-only version, +phonefunctionality17:10
RST38hThe batterygraph shows current (but not voltage) suddenly jumping all the way down17:10
ShadowJKRST38h; sounds like a really really worn battery17:11
RST38hShadowJK: Ah, thought so17:12
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ShadowJKUnfortunately the batterygraph current is derviced from consecutive capacity measurements. The capacity measurements by bme is roughly "make rough guess based on voltage and preprogrammed voltage-to-capacity curve, add/subtract capacity based on measured current, if capacity/voltage deviates too much from curve, do big step-adjustment of capacity"17:14
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ShadowJKSo basically what I think is happening is that the load of screen on pulls vooltage so low that bme does a big step-adjustment. Batterygraph interprets that as massive sudden drain.17:15
ShadowJKhttp://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar this is my bq27200.sh script. Be root via rootsh's "root" command, wget that file, tar -xf it, "./bq27200sh 5" (not compatible with kernelcharging or battery modules in powerkernel)17:17
ShadowJKcolumns are: time, voltage, charge percent, charge percent, charge in mAh, same, same, time to full, time to empty, temperature17:18
ShadowJKoh shit I forgot a column17:18
RST38hShadowJK: ah, I should have checked the capacity reading17:19
ShadowJKthere's  "mA" between percentage and mAh.. shows current consumption (if negative) or current charge rate (if positive)17:19
ShadowJKIt's not necessarily correct.17:20
* RST38h wonders if he can still buy the original nokia battery somewhere17:20
kerioRST38h: bl-5js are used in a bunch of models17:20
ShadowJKEspecially if battery is in poor health, it'll have massively different effective capacity between idling to empty or active use to empty17:20
RST38hNokia Store has been shattered, it is not an empty room covered with Samsung ads17:21
kerioand the more recent original ones are ~1400mAh17:21
RST38hs/not/now17:21
ShadowJKNokia even buffed the capacity of BL-5J, the recent original Nokia ones are 1440+ mAh (never saw more than 1250 from the old originals)17:22
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kerioon aliexpress there's a bl-5j that holds 1600mAh, according to vi____17:22
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dimiromg it's up17:24
dimirRMO17:24
warfarefor how long?17:25
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dimirwell, last time I checked half an hour ago it was down.17:25
dimirNow it's up.17:25
dimirAh, down again. :-D17:25
warfareIt was up earlier until the firewall crashed ;)17:25
ShadowJKAnyway, as for judging battery health.. press enter to put a mark in the output, screen on / screen off 30s each, take most stable looking reading from both. take the difference in mV between the two, divided by 1000, divide that by the difference between the two mA readings also divided by 1000. If > .5: weak-ish, >1: bad, replace >2: worthless17:25
dimirBut I got it's main page, I swear. :-D17:25
dimirOnce. :-D17:25
RST38hComplicated =)17:25
RST38hThanks!17:25
ShadowJKspeedevil has a script somewhere that does this automatically and averages several readings..17:26
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SpeedEvilohm.sh17:27
ShadowJKRST38h; it's basically " does voltage change alot when load changes"17:27
SpeedEvilI have no idea where it might  e17:27
SpeedEvilbe17:27
RST38hShadowJK: which basically means "internal resistance went up:17:28
RST38h"17:28
ShadowJKyes17:29
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ShadowJK.5 is point I'd replace at myself17:29
ShadowJKI did use a .7-.9 (started out much better) on my previous N90017:30
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myname24Hi , i asked a question about accuweather for N900 but no one replied on TMO . Did they release it ?18:05
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teotwakimyname24: when did you ask the question?18:13
myname24An hour ago on an old thread . But a simple answer is enough yes or no ?18:16
myname24http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5124918:17
teotwakimyname24: why do you assume everyone knows the answer18:18
teotwakiand technically speaking, you did get a reply :) Even though it's off topic18:20
myname24Just off topic :)18:21
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myname24So do you have an answer for me ?18:23
teotwakimyname24: I don't believe it was ever released18:23
keriohm, RMO is quite fast now18:23
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myname24Thanks for your answer :) same old story like flash 1018:26
kerioi spoke too soon :(18:26
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myname24And also the same story of flash 10 because it's available in the unreleased repo :)18:30
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kgurepository.maemo.org is online again?19:32
keriokgu: kinda19:32
keriostill slow19:32
Sc0rpiusthat means the builder eventually will come back :)19:33
kerioconnecting with apt fails, for me19:33
kerio:c19:33
kgume too19:33
Sc0rpiushttp://maemo.org doesn't work though19:33
Sc0rpiuswiki.maemo.org down too19:34
kerioyeah, the whole firewall is hammered, or something19:34
kguok, guess it is quite busy atm19:34
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kgudo we know what firewall it is behind?19:37
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kguHow come I see this message with apt-get update: "Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 178.33.236.141 80]"19:46
kgurepository.maemo.org is 188.117.59.20519:47
kerioCould not connect to repository.maemo.org:80 (188.117.59.205)19:48
kerioUnable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 188.40.39.11 80]19:48
keriowhat the fuck, apt19:48
keriowhat the fuck19:48
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kguhmm, wonder if there is still some DNS-issues19:49
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merlin1991kerio: wtf19:49
merlin1991188.40.39.11 is my server19:49
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keriothen i guess that apt sucks at error messages19:49
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khmhosts file?  dns caching?20:11
kguhosts file is clean. Even tried to add '188.117.59.205 repository.maemo.org' in hosts file, but still see the same error message20:15
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khmbizarre20:16
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warfareDocScrutinizer05: Still firewall issues?20:30
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Luke-Jrso not a single BL-5J at any of the 3 phone stores downtown20:33
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r00t|homeLuke-Jr: ebay has lots of them20:43
Luke-Jrr00t|home: and they're probably all fake, used, or both20:43
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r00t|homeLuke-Jr: well, i bought all mine as new from german auctions... for ~3eur w/ shipping each20:51
r00t|homeLuke-Jr: but even the "oem" ones from china are better than none20:51
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merlin1991hm I got mine from the nokia care point here :D20:54
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kguWhat is the ~lifetime for BL-5J?20:54
sixwheeledbeastLuke-Jr: Have you looked at the Polarcell on Ebay?20:59
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sixwheeledbeastkgu: Li-ion batteries are said to lose ~20% capacity p/a21:03
sixwheeledbeastworst case scenario.21:05
kguok, guess I have 40% left then :)21:05
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tommissomeone said repo will be back in shortly21:19
tommisi know shit is hard but fuck21:19
tommisanyone knows about any reliable mirrors?21:20
tommisi just want my drnoknes to test my gamegripper thingy21:20
keriotommis: if you need extras-devel, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install21:20
kerioand disable the standard extras-devel21:20
keriothis one is much better21:20
tommisi don't know what do i need to do?21:21
kerioopen that link on the n900 :)21:21
tommisk21:21
tommisn900 package system is weird21:21
kerioor add deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free to your sources.list21:21
kerioit's just apt21:21
keriowith a crappy GUI21:22
WizardNumberNextI cannot seem to get wiki.maemo.org loaded. Is it working at the moment?21:22
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tommisdoesn't respond to ping here21:23
sixwheeledbeastworking but ... slow21:24
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merlin1991it's funny how tmo works flawlessly while wiki repos and friends suck21:58
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kguthey are on two different servers, right?22:05
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kerioyeah, two different everythings22:06
merlin1991kerio: afaik tmo moved into the xen-vm mess22:07
merlin1991so it is not anymore on a different server perse22:07
kguAre there any non-peak hours for traffic towards repos?22:10
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merlin1991dunno22:16
kerioDocScrutinizer is convinced that it's the 40k n900s updating at the same time22:16
merlin1991but if you only need extras-devel there are mirrors out there (for cssu too)22:16
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kgukerio: They do update at the same time?22:20
kerioi don't think so22:20
keriothat's why i think it's weird22:20
sixwheeledbeastI can't see how, surely they are all set to different times22:20
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kguis it possible to see when the update on a n900 is scheduled?22:22
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keriokgu: install alarmclient22:24
teotwaki_wouldn't it be more efficient to see how many connections are being made?22:24
teotwaki_so DocScrutinizer believes the server is getting ddos'd?22:25
sixwheeledbeastkgu: Mine is 19:21:4522:26
kgusixwheeledbeast: daily?22:26
keriomine is january 20th, 201822:26
keriobecause fuck HAM22:26
sixwheeledbeast/var/cachealarmd/alarm_queue.ini22:26
sixwheeledbeast*/var/cache/alarmd22:27
sixwheeledbeastdaily = 86400 seconds22:27
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kgusixwheeledbeast: ok, but guess it is 86400 seconds from last run, so don't think the 40k n900s will update at the same time22:30
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sixwheeledbeastexactly22:30
kguis 40k n900s all there is?22:30
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teotwaki_40k that update.22:31
teotwaki_Roughly 100k sold.22:31
sixwheeledbeastkgu: in the queue file I have the first apt-get in unix time22:31
sixwheeledbeastthis was back in 2010, so every 86400 second after this at 19:2122:32
kguteotwaki_: ok, we are the chosen onces ;)22:33
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sixwheeledbeastcome to think of it, this will make high and low traffic times.22:37
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kgusixwheeledbeast: how?22:38
keriosixwheeledbeast: every manual refresh resets the timer, mind you22:39
sixwheeledbeastif it's calculated from first update after a reflash, there's periods were USA/Europe are both asleep22:40
sixwheeledbeastfor example22:40
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teotwaki_afz: heya22:42
afzyup22:42
kguwell, a lot of us geeks are also awake at night, and reflash at night, so guees it will equal out22:42
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merlin1991kgu: exactly, can't remember when I last reflashed while there was still daylight :D22:43
kguheh22:43
kguWho runs the firewalls?22:45
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kguand are there any hw-loadbalancers?22:46
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warfarekgu: Firewall is an "endian" firewall on xen, and I don't think there are loadbalancers in place.22:47
kguso it is all software based?22:49
merlin1991afaik yes22:49
kguand repos is only located on one server?22:50
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warfareShould be possible with fast disks and fast server software (nginx, the like)22:51
kguYes, you are right - it should be able to handle this amount of traffic22:51
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kgusixwheeledbeast: Do you remember how to change to update interval?22:52
* merlin1991 is happy that there aren't that many cssu-thumb users22:52
teotwaki_warfare: there's limited finance.22:52
kgumerlin1991: How many users do you have?22:53
merlin1991last time I checked cssu-thumb had about 800 users22:53
warfareteotwaki_: and probably limited time.22:53
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merlin1991but that was about 2 months back iirc22:53
kguThat's also quite a bounch of geeks ;) Can you really feel that the n900 is faster on thumb? Or is it only better memory footprint?22:55
merlin1991~thumb22:55
infobotConfigurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/22:55
merlin1991arf22:55
merlin1991~cssu-thumb22:55
infobotsomebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=122059722:55
kerioinfobot: #maemo thumb is <reply>see cssu-thumb22:55
infobotokay, kerio22:55
kerio~thumb22:55
infobothmm... cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=122059722:55
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merlin1991kgu: it's really hard to determine how many unique clients the repo has though, it measured it by counting the distinct downloads for the metapackge once a release was out22:56
merlin1991s/it m/i m/22:56
infobotmerlin1991 meant: kgu: it's really hard to determine how many unique clients the repo has though, i measured it by counting the distinct downloads for the metapackge once a release was out22:56
sixwheeledbeastkgu: "recur_secs" in alarm_queue.ini ?22:57
kguok, so it is memory footprint improvements22:57
kgusixwheeledbeast: Oh, dont have alarmclient, though I could change it another way22:58
sixwheeledbeastkgu: don't know if it's a good idea to edit the queue manually tho.22:58
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kerioit's not22:59
kerioinstall alarmclient22:59
kgusixwheeledbeast: ok thx, I will wait for the repos to come back22:59
keriobesides, that .ini is just to store the alarms between reboots22:59
kerioalarmd keeps stuff in memory22:59
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keriokgu: my alarmclient is from cssu-testing22:59
kerioplenty of mirrors of that22:59
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sixwheeledbeastkgu: gconf /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval23:03
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PaliServers http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ are down23:06
PaliDiablo SSU not working and also site with FIASCO images too23:06
keriooh shit, the second is *bad*23:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: halp23:07
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PaliI think both are akamai23:09
Paliso downloads.maemo.nokia.com will be next23:09
keriothe first one works for me23:09
kerioat least, something answers23:09
keriooh, the second one too23:09
keriobut it's still akamai23:09
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Palikerio: Service Unavailable - DNS failure23:09
PaliThe server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.23:10
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PaliReference #11.24ed3e17.1358975376.643a2db323:10
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Paliwhen I refresh it generate another reference id23:10
Palidownloads.maemo.nokia.com will be next will be next, so we do not need to deal with GPG keys23:11
Paliservers will be down before any GPG key update...23:11
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Palieverybody backup what you can23:13
PaliI updated lists of maemo repositories on: https://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror23:13
Palinow fremantle+harmattan should be complete23:13
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warfarePali: That's the error when akamai can't reach its origin servers.23:14
Paliso servers are down23:15
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warfareSo typical. I get a N900 on monday and all infrastructure goes down.23:17
keriowarfare: :(23:18
warfarekerio: could be worse: there could be no mirrors.23:18
merlin1991warfare: enough mirrors around to still keep rolling23:18
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Palimerlin1991, freemangordon, jonwil: if you want to hack harmattan mce with some my diablo/fremantle patches I can publish my git tree23:22
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Paliwhat is needed: 1) add osso-systemui support to mce (powermenukey, devlock, modechange) and 2) write accelerometer plugin 3) fix/clean jonwil's vibrator plugin23:23
Paliwhat we have is source code of diablo mce which has some systemui code (but is old not for fremantle)23:24
Palibut now when we have oss powermenukey it could be easier to connect it to mce23:24
Palimy current git repo compile all needed binaries without warnings/errors23:25
Palito implement devlock it is needed to write header file (or RE or understand) libdevlock and libcodelock libraries23:26
Paliboth packages have i386 version23:26
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FIQhmmmm just curious23:27
Paliand some old code (lock code without DES which was in fremantle PR1.0) is in diablo mce23:27
FIQnow that stuff is moved to be hosted by community?23:27
Paliso I think this can be reused for libdevlock23:27
Palilet me know if somebody want git repo for hacking23:28
FIQwont it break system updating by pc suite *completely*?23:28
FIQscratch questionmark in my second line lol23:28
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PaliFIQ, if nokia turn off servers for pc suite, then it will not work23:29
warfaremerlin1991: I can provide another mirror, if necessary.23:29
Palimerlin1991, freemangordon, jonwil, look ^^^^^23:29
elros34__hello, Does anybody have libqt4-dev from: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/libqt4-dev-arm - armel version to n900?23:29
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Paliping romaxa23:30
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FIQuh23:31
FIQthe . (left arrow in en keymap) key has started to fail...23:32
PaliDocScrutinizer05, did you got my email about non working garage?23:33
Palikerio, is http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/ working on your ip?23:37
kerionope23:37
Palinow I found 4 new repositores here :-(23:38
Paliwhich was not backedup23:38
Palibecause I did not add it to wiki23:38
FIQwhat did they host?23:38
Palidiablo-1-8346734-TRUE diablo-3 diablo-testing23:38
FIQso basically n8xx repos are gone?23:39
Palideb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ <name> ./23:39
Paliyes23:39
kerioall of them? :O23:39
FIQouch23:39
Palihm, seems that here is maemo mirror: http://repository.maemo.org/catalogue/updates/23:39
Paliseems like rmo/c is mirror of that23:40
PaliI will update wiki23:40
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