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| Sc0rpius | might be | 00:03 |
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| freemangordon | Sc0rpius, kerio: it is perfectly possible that KCSSU(i.e. KP) impacts the speed somehow. Or errata workarounds. or ... NFC what :D | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | though my end-user experiance so far tells me that ... thombified n900 launches phone-ui, contacts and conversations faster than S3 (I know I am saying that for n-th time, but still :) ) | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | *experience | 00:05 |
| kerio | freemangordon: that just tells us that the s3 is an awful device | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | sure | 00:06 |
| kerio | but we already knew that | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | but it is supposed to be one of the fastest devices around 9excluding iCrap) | 00:06 |
| kerio | because Operating system Android | 00:06 |
| freemangordon | ofc | 00:06 |
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| freemangordon | but it still has 2x1.2 Cortex A9. Plus some third core | 00:06 |
| kerio | i thought it was a quadcore | 00:07 |
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| kerio | anyway, i see what you mean | 00:09 |
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| UberNeo | kerio: freemangordon . could you please give some inputs on the error which I am getting for QT/QML based applications | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | UberNeo: what is your hildon-desktop version? (dpkg -l | grep hildon-desktop) | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, afaik S3 is tegra3 | 00:13 |
| UberNeo | hildon-desktop 1:2.2.140-1+0m5 | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | could be wrong and I am too lazy now to check :) | 00:14 |
| UberNeo | hildon-desktop-python-loader 0.1.0-1maemo3 | 00:14 |
| kerio | freemangordon: wikipedia says samsung exynos 4 quad for eu, snapdragon s4 for NA | 00:14 |
| xes | freemangordon: have you tried again to debug the qt fennec build for fremantle? | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | kerio: afaik exynos is TBD :), lemme check | 00:14 |
| kerio | so that's a quad core cortex-a9 | 00:14 |
| freemangordon | shit, you are right :O | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | for sure it has 2 GB | 00:16 |
| kerio | it's a fucking beast | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not. | 00:16 |
| kerio | it's quite powerful | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | scrolling stutters every now and then, UI is awful, etc | 00:17 |
| khm | bad software doesn't mean the hardware is weak | 00:17 |
| khm | it's just a natural extension of locking yourself inside the java blimp | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | bad software means the device is weak | 00:17 |
| kerio | freemangordon: port fremantle to the s3 plskthx | 00:17 |
| UberNeo | freemangordon: how its realted to the hildon-desktop version? | 00:17 |
| freemangordon | no HW kbd and no FMTX | 00:17 |
| kerio | oh god | 00:18 |
| kerio | how can they live without the fmtx | 00:18 |
| wirr | the horror, the horror | 00:18 |
| khm | well how else do you expect to present a staticky low-fidelity representation of your music in a car? | 00:18 |
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| freemangordon | UberNeo: you are 10 versions behind master, install the one from cssu-devel (along with Qt) and recheck. If it still continues (the error you have) please file a bug with steps to reprodice | 00:19 |
| * khm writes pulseaudio layer to crap up the sound | 00:19 | |
| khm | fmtx emulator | 00:19 |
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| * freemangordon hands khm a beer and waits for the emulator to be ready | 00:19 | |
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| * WizardNumberNext is drinking beer waiting till fmtx emulator would make my radio play | 00:21 | |
| kerio | khm: instead, work on a kernel-level speaker protection | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | fremangordon: there are two SGS3 on market - one have two cores and another have four | 00:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | I want one with two cores, but without android | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | WizardNumberNext: well, I didn't check which one was that. But in either cases it is a shame | 00:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | working debian would perfectly fine | 00:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | android kills it capabilities | 00:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is like I would put windows on my "vista incapable" PC | 00:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | I still want that sticker on my desktop | 00:24 |
| wirr | but, freemangordon, pretty please, port maemo to the Pantech Star Q | 00:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | even though it is perfectly vista capable (AMD Phenom II X6 1090T + 8GiB DDR2-6400 RAM, going without a glitch to 7520 (940MHz)) | 00:26 |
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| khm | why did you type any of those things in | 00:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pantech Star Q? hat is it? | 00:27 |
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| WizardNumberNext | because I like my desktop, which is designed for GNU/Linux | 00:27 |
| UberNeo | freemangordon: WizardNumberNext any mirror for cssu-devel | 00:28 |
| kerio | oh god | 00:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: I have no idea. Don't want to mess anything for you | 00:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: do you have somewhere this post with all mirros? | 00:30 |
| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: .. seems like all the QT/QML based applications are failing to start | 00:31 |
| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: getting below error | 00:31 |
| UberNeo | TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:34:03 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed | 00:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | I can check for branch, but cannot guarantee it would work | 00:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | i mean with mirrors | 00:31 |
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| WizardNumberNext | iDont to... ... sometimes ;) | 00:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | nice username btw | 00:32 |
| iDont | thanks :) | 00:33 |
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| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: any pointers . for the QT/QML apps errors . | 00:35 |
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| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: honestly no clue. What I think it might some glitch in library linking or somethink similar, but it is only what I think and I might be very wrong. | 00:37 |
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| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: .. all the apps like . CuteTube, AesyPig , Twimgo . al are failing . :( | 00:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: I never have programmed in QT/QML so I am not wise enough to answer that question | 00:39 |
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| WizardNumberNext | it might be something in library itself, but I think you should do what freemangordon told you to do | 00:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I have no better solution | 00:41 |
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| UberNeo | but dnt know .. whats the mirror cssu-devel . its repository | 00:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | me neither | 00:43 |
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| UberNeo | freemangordon: do u have any pointers for repository mirror cssu-devel | 00:43 |
| MrPingu | Sc0rpius: Why does yappari starts syncing contacts by itself. Wasn't only supossed to do that at start or when press the button? | 00:46 |
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| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: my cutetube seams to work | 00:56 |
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| MrPingu | WizardNumberNext: Positive! | 00:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok guys, how can check what libraries are used by cutetube? | 00:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am too lazy work it out by myself | 00:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | would lsof be sufficient? | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | ldd? | 00:58 |
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| WizardNumberNext | merlin1991: rings bell, I would check it out | 00:59 |
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| WizardNumberNext | merlin1991: hit~ | 01:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | hit! | 01:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: do you run clean N900 or with some cssu? | 01:01 |
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| UberNeo | was . clean .now i have gt this cssu-devel repo | 01:02 |
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| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 01:03 |
| UberNeo | for cssu-devel | 01:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | then I cannot help you - I was looking for libraries and possibility of swapping them, but this would be quite a risk - it might render N900 unusable till you put originals back | 01:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | now it is outdated crazy idea | 01:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | berofe it was crazy idea | 01:06 |
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| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: Seems like all the QT/QML apps have started working | 01:10 |
| UberNeo | after CSSU-DEVEL update | 01:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | so I have been right - it was up to some library | 01:10 |
| UberNeo | yeah .. | 01:10 |
| UberNeo | thanks .. its working now | 01:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | good | 01:11 |
| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: .. do u remember the GPS app . which just shows the basic GPS info | 01:12 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I have two of them | 01:12 |
| UberNeo | whic one | 01:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | gps recorder and gpsdata | 01:13 |
| UberNeo | extras-devel? | 01:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | no idea | 01:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | might be extras/extras-devel | 01:14 |
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| M4rtinK | UberNeo: the newest modRana QML release has a dedicated GPS info screen | 02:06 |
| M4rtinK | it shows all it can get from the GPS in real time | 02:06 |
| khm | does anyone know the status of qt support on maemo 4 | 02:06 |
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| freemangordon | khm: nonexistent? | 02:15 |
| khm | hooray. | 02:15 |
| khm | modrana used to work on the n810. qml is the death knell | 02:15 |
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| UberNeo | M4rtinK: does supl.nokia.com works as Network positioning | 02:21 |
| UberNeo | anybody .. what address do u guys use in Network Positioning tag | 02:24 |
| UberNeo | tab | 02:24 |
| M4rtinK | khm: I'm still maintaining the GTK GUI :) | 02:24 |
| M4rtinK | UberNeo: I think I'm using the Google supl server (supl.google.com ?) | 02:25 |
| M4rtinK | khm: BTW, as I don't have a N<900 myself, I can't really test for it | 02:25 |
| M4rtinK | but it should work fine out of the box or with minor tweaks | 02:26 |
| M4rtinK | & any feedback is welcome :) | 02:26 |
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| UberNeo | yeah supl.google.com .. gets the fix in seconds . but it shows wrong direction | 02:27 |
| UberNeo | approx . 1 Km off | 02:27 |
| freemangordon | UberNeo: you know n900 has no compass, ain't? | 02:27 |
| M4rtinK | you mean direction of travel or positional error ? | 02:28 |
| UberNeo | positional error | 02:28 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I think supl shouldn't affect GPS accuracy | 02:28 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | it only helps with the cold start | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | I was once in Vienna without roaming with the N900 | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | it took a while to get lock | 02:29 |
| UberNeo | i believe it takes position from the nearest Mobile Towers and then apply Tringulation law . untill unless .. it searches for the Satellites . which is very difficult to get indoors | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | but the accuracy was the same as usual afterwards | 02:29 |
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| M4rtinK | I think it also sends the data you are getting from the satellites to somewhere to help determine where you are | 02:30 |
| M4rtinK | so it is a potentially a user-privacy problem :) | 02:31 |
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| ricotomo | can someone tell me what the path is to the file claws-mail-3.9.0 located in the nokia n900/ directory? | 02:45 |
| ricotomo | also if anyone has actually got gpg working and would like to walk me through it that would be much appreciated | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, supl uses data of celltowers (actually GSM has its own hidden "supl") | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it does no triangulation | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 05:00 |
| infobot | from memory, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RRLP is the reason why the GPS chip is connected to the modem rather than the application CPU | 05:01 |
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| Sc0rpius | are the new repos coming along? | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: alas not | 05:57 |
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| RST38h | Nokia find a new "developers ecosystem": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/22/lumia_820_print_your_own_case/ | 08:47 |
| thedead1440 | RST38h: that idea is actually from Texrat; one of the few remaining people in Nokia who understand "community"... I'm waiting to see how long before it gets taken down :D | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | texrat "in nokia"??? | 08:50 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: don't you know? Its been at least 3-4 months since he was re-hired but with the focus being on Lumia this time :D | 08:50 |
| RST38h | They finally had mercy on him and took the poor buffon back onboard? =) | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, Nokia hires and fires like others decide on taking their umbrella with them when leaving home | 08:51 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: This news item, by the way, confirms my assessment of a Lumia device | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I have to claim that the idea of publishing full 3D files for whatever way of manufacturing your own case been originally established first time by Openmoko | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: It is a 1:1 scale model of a real smartphone, with no moving parts =) | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Can't do anything about the insides, anything at all. But now you can print your own case for it =) | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics | 08:55 |
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| thedead1440 | btw the original link: http://conversations.nokia.com/2013/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-lumia-820-and-3d-printing/ | 08:56 |
| thedead1440 | that's nice DocScrutinizer05 ;) | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if anybody involved and registered with such "social media" will post a comment with a link to the original idea on that "news" about lumia | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, please don't, we need to clean out vandalism on the wiki otherwise | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: No, and not even because Nokia would not allow that (it would) | 08:59 |
| thedead1440 | i'm posting it | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: But simply because nobody is interested | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Anybody can tell what this is about: http://www.dvlup.com/Welcome | 09:00 |
| RST38h | ? | 09:00 |
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| thedead1440 | RST38h: not very sure but it seems like those efforts by Nokia to get more apps into WP Marketplace... Something similar but for end-users requesting for apps: http://www.eventfaqs.com/eventfaqs/wcms/en/home/news/Nokia-Lumia-and-NDTV-launch-Y-1358192176926.html | 09:04 |
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| RST38h | The intro seems to indicate that it is some kind of a creepy social network for Microsoftgeeks | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Definitely does not say anything about apps | 09:06 |
| thedead1440 | not social network but more like there are apps that are missing so you take on a challenge to code that app and get points etc which get you devices or rewards | 09:06 |
| thedead1440 | see their twitter account to see developers asking for access or them asking developers for clarifications on apps: https://twitter.com/dvlup | 09:07 |
| RST38h | mghm | 09:07 |
| thedead1440 | this would explain why there are some replicas of popular games on Marketplace for free | 09:07 |
| RST38h | And who is the target audience? Indians? | 09:08 |
| thedead1440 | Anyone and Everyone for dvlup | 09:08 |
| thedead1440 | There is a WP-developer company called AE that publishes many apps on WP-marketplace that are replicas like Bejeweled etc... Maybe they are part of dvlup hence they earn from dvlup... (notice the pun their name uses) | 09:09 |
| thedead1440 | oh also FYI Texrat is one of the WP-Ambassadors for dvlup too ;) | 09:10 |
| RST38h | yeah, that is how I found dvlup | 09:10 |
| thedead1440 | oh dvlup is only for residents of the USA | 09:10 |
| RST38h | so, this rat race is US-specific? | 09:11 |
| thedead1440 | yup see their T&C: http://www.dvlup.com/TermsAndConditions | 09:11 |
| RST38h | do they target WP7 or WP8? because if it is WP7, then the whole picture looks even more hopeless | 09:11 |
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| thedead1440 | I would say WP8 considering their twitter account which shows developers wishing they had a WP8 Lumia instead of the WP7 Lumia they had | 09:12 |
| thedead1440 | hence their loan programs for upgrading your WP7 to a WP8 device if you are part of dvlup | 09:12 |
| thedead1440 | loan and device upgrade* | 09:12 |
| RST38h | ah | 09:13 |
| RST38h | Well, good luck to them. If WP8 sells, I will consider porting to it. | 09:14 |
| RST38h | Right now though, the top of my todo list is Kindle :) | 09:14 |
| thedead1440 | ;) | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brrrp | 09:18 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: ping | 11:16 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: please use git pull; git rebase when you push changes to main repo.... merge commits does not looks very good. | 11:17 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: I did a mistake for that particular commit, my appologies | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: the next is ok (aiui). i use git pull --rebase before pushing | 11:19 |
| freemangordon | (except for that case) | 11:20 |
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| Estel_ | ~cold-flashing | 12:04 |
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| djghdsjhnfdsi | ~cold-flashing | 12:04 |
| djghdsjhnfdsi | ~ping | 12:04 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:04 |
| djghdsjhnfdsi | ~cold-flashing | 12:04 |
| freemangordon | ~coldflash | 12:05 |
| infobot | from memory, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing | 12:05 |
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| Estel_ | thanks | 12:05 |
| freemangordon | :) | 12:05 |
| Estel_ | trying to bring alive device with torn apart secondary board (flex torn), and where usb port got broken during reflash | 12:06 |
| Estel_ | not my achievement :P someone asked me to try recovering data from it's mydocs... | 12:06 |
| kerio | fun | 12:06 |
| Estel_ | ah, I forget about 2 under-battery pads being torn too | 12:06 |
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| kerio | ...what the hell did you do to that poor n900? | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | kerio: see why only 40k devices left? | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | :D | 12:07 |
| Estel_ | so cable for creating alternate connection got created by mixing two pads from under battery, one (alive) pad for microusb, and one later component, where data+ is connected... | 12:07 |
| Estel_ | :P | 12:07 |
| Estel_ | as data+ was torn apart on *both* usb pads and under battery pads | 12:08 |
| Estel_ | kerio, as said, it wasn't me :P | 12:08 |
| Estel_ | someone send it to me as dead motherboard for free, in exchange for attempt on recovering data (no matter if it works out or not) | 12:09 |
| Estel_ | well, *if* by some miracle, it's gonna work, after being dead motherboard for CNC operations, I'll get case for it and make it first computer for my 4 years old son | 12:09 |
| Estel_ | no idea if device without secondary board boots, maybe bootng process need to be changed for it | 12:10 |
| Estel_ | well, holding thumbs and connecting it to usb port, hope no smoke appearing ;) | 12:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Sigh. Since my cellular isp ran out of public IPs, and started giving the public IPs out on a first come first serve basis, and putting the rest on NAT, things have gone downhill | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | yesterday I had a mtu of 1436, had to determine that experimentally | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | fragmented packets were dropped, icmp replies were dropped | 13:19 |
| jaska | pmtu discovery broken? | 13:19 |
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| ShadowJK | pmtu, traceroute (on udp, icmp and tcp), etc | 13:19 |
| jaska | eww | 13:19 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: ewww :s | 13:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Basically I set my mss to 512 and logged in to my server and then sent udp packets with increasing packet size until they no longer arrived at tcpdump on server | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | cut off was at 1436 | 13:20 |
| jaska | and didnt get "fragmentation needed" icmp? | 13:21 |
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| ShadowJK | nope | 13:23 |
| jaska | broken filtering <.< | 13:23 |
| merlin1991 | ShadowJK: that kidna reminds me of the time when the router here got a fw upgrade which made it choke on mtu higher than 1400 :D | 13:23 |
| ShadowJK | Also when I fragmented locally, no packets arrived, not the first and not the subsequent fragments | 13:23 |
| jaska | probably something like defragment, hit mtu ceiling, drop | 13:24 |
| jaska | or reassemble.. not defragment | 13:24 |
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| mer_ge | hey, for how long will everything be offline? | 13:40 |
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| Estel_ | sorry to ask something that was probably asked 1000 on this channel, but I'm rather rarely here: | 13:59 |
| Estel_ | where I can find data of most recommended (up to date, kinda "unoficcial-official" mirror for repos? | 14:00 |
| Estel_ | I've planned to wait for repos being up again, but realized, that I need backupmenu on one of devices... | 14:00 |
| Estel_ | Lesson to keep such essential things backup'ed locally, methink | 14:00 |
| Estel_ | thanks in advance for answer | 14:01 |
| thedead1440 | Estel_: skeiron.org/repo won't give hash sum mismatch while maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror is more recent but may give you hash sum errors | 14:02 |
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| merlin1991 | thedead1440: it definitely gives you hash sum mismatch errors | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 14:06 |
| infobot | well, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 14:06 |
| thedead1440 | merlin1991: its kinda weird; skeiron has no issues but see this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1316575&postcount=20 | 14:07 |
| * merlin1991 is not sure what he sees there | 14:09 | |
| thedead1440 | that user has an issue with skeiron because of missing GPG key and problems with the .bz file which I can't seem to get | 14:09 |
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| thedead1440 | it means his original GPG key has been removed maybe | 14:10 |
| merlin1991 | hm foobar bzip2 in his $PATH? | 14:10 |
| kerio | Estel_: extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 14:10 |
| kerio | with only the latest version of each package | 14:11 |
| kerio | updated daily | 14:11 |
| kerio | supports pdiffs | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] we're approaching a zone of turCDSsxydewxEWFDCX ZONE of turbulence and *.maemo.org is geajgDGGlkjhfhjf ng slow for undefined time | 14:11 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: i hate this pilot :p | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually everything except tmo is pretty much down | 14:12 |
| jaska | they should add troll.maemo.org as a cname | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again unknown bottleneck in uplink from firewall, which tmo is not linked to ;-) | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absurd, the slower everything else gets, the faster tmo seems to be ;-P | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wmo just loaded again for me | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, our Hero over at Nemein is looking into it | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-22 13:00:20] <mashiara> the bottleneck is somewhere else, all the server loads are minimal. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-22 13:01:21] <mashiara> I'll ask the ISP for latest uplink graps (and also if the error counters which they reset a few days ago) | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] <gentle voice> we're sorry for the turbulence, we now left the area and a smooth and gentle flight is ahead of us. Actually we will arrive twice as fast than we expected | 14:33 |
| thedead1440 | :) | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: (we activated an afterburner on the FW) | 14:35 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: now i like this pilot :p | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-22 13:22:04] <mashiara> I'll take the FW down for a moment and add a second CPU just in case (the system shows idle load but...) | 14:35 |
| merlin1991 | srly I thought we are running in a professional hoting environment | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | wtf is going on? | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know, sometimes IT is voodoo | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly on a xen-grid I guess | 14:37 |
| kerio | i hope the firewall isn't in the xen-grid too | 14:38 |
| kerio | otherwise, wtf | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, it is | 14:38 |
| kerio | that makes no sense | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 14:38 |
| kerio | why do i need a wm to act as a firewall | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf wm | 14:38 |
| kerio | *vm | 14:39 |
| kerio | you obviously don't need a window manager to act as a firewall | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a firewall/NAT/trafficshaper | 14:39 |
| kerio | although it's probably going to happen, if you let lennart think about it some more | 14:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but in my book, something like that only makes sense if it's a separate piece of hardware | 14:39 |
| kerio | that sits between the uplink and the servers | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | define "piece of hw" | 14:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks kerio has a cloudy idea of a xen-grid | 14:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're talking of at least one reck full of servers here | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rack* | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of then (nobody knows which) runs a VM that plays FW | 14:41 |
| kerio | that's precisely my point, why do we need a VM to play the role of a firewall? | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for NAT and trafficshaping mainly | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I guess that's the intended purpose | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-22 13:27:40] <jyrjyr> mashiara, which firewall system / software are you using? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-22 13:28:01] <mashiara> Endian (community edition) it seems | 14:44 |
| kerio | where did this happen? | 14:49 |
| Estel_ | thanks for all answers | 14:51 |
| Estel_ | erm, bzip error was traced down, or it's really bb-power issue? | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | If the later, DocScrutinizer05, could you forward me to your report (bug, post on tmo, whatever)about this? or someone's else? | 14:52 |
| Estel_ | If it's true, I would pester iDont about it | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: iirc the problem been about some update of CSSU kicked out busybox-power (not intentionally but by mere dependencies) and users had to re-install it | 14:55 |
| kerio | Estel_: it's fixed now, busybox-power uses dpkg-diverts now | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however it might be mere coincidence that the error msg looks the same, root cause might be sth completely unrelated | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first check if there's a bzip2 (or whatever) binary available on your system, I'd suggest | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Firefox Phone: http://gizmodo.com/5977909/this-is-the-first-official-firefox-phone-but-its-just-for-developers | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Only has 512MB RAM. *Suspicious.* | 14:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 pukes | 14:59 | |
| RST38h | 512MB is like a light breakfast for Fennec | 14:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits for first windows car | 14:59 | |
| RST38h | Doc: That has happened already | 14:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: BMW had WinCE based car computer. It sucked. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, make that M$-cardiac-pacemaker then | 15:00 |
| RST38h | Doc: And before you asked, Windows-based naval ship also happened and crashed on bootup. | 15:00 |
| Luke-Jr | do BL-5J batterys get slightly curved normally, or when they're bad? | 15:01 |
| jonwil | RST38h: Not sure if the BMW computer sucked because it was Windows or because it was a BMW :P | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know they built naval ship with WinNT navigation, which epically failed on tests | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: when bad | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get rid of, immediately | 15:01 |
| RST38h | jonwil: It was part windows and part their physical UI | 15:02 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: is it a problem to use it as padding (not electronically)? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: pregnant battery syndrome | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Or, better, give it to you best enemy | 15:02 |
| RST38h | So that when it ruptures, it is HIS balls on the line | 15:02 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: eg, so my other battery doesn't fall out of the Mugen case | 15:02 |
| * jonwil wouldn't be caught dead driving a German car :P | 15:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's critical state | 15:03 |
| Luke-Jr | is normal trash okay then? :p | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dispose off at some LiIon collection point | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | put scotch tape over contacts | 15:04 |
| Luke-Jr | will that make it safe? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, as soon as you're 50m away from it | 15:04 |
| Luke-Jr | bah | 15:05 |
| RST38h | Doc <== exagerrating | 15:05 |
| RST38h | 5m is fine, it is a small battery | 15:05 |
| Luke-Jr | -.- | 15:05 |
| * Luke-Jr ponders what else to use as padding now | 15:05 | |
| RST38h | they *usually* burn, not fly apart | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: in that collection point might sit another 300 cells waiting for a reason to act up | 15:05 |
| RST38h | ah that | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 787 anybody? | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Oh yesss | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Doc: Also: http://updates.jalopnik.com/post/34669789863/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-caught-fire-and | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard a cargo of LiIon took out a freight liner, since then no more shipping of LiIon per airfreight | 15:07 |
| RST38h | Who needs nukes? | 15:09 |
| merlin1991 | just grab all the batteries in a city and build a megabomb :P | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when we got cargo airliners and LiIon | 15:09 |
| Luke-Jr | so I should put it down the end of my driveway until I go out? | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Boing PFFFFF | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fools | 15:10 |
| RST38h | BTW, aluminium would also apply, if not for the wonderful properties of Al2O3 | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Luke: Put it on the road and watch some lorry snuff it. | 15:10 |
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| Luke-Jr | O.o | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, the HF will not etch the rubber of the tires | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H2F? | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Where did you get F from? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 15:11 |
| Luke-Jr | what if I make a hole in it? | 15:11 |
| Luke-Jr | will that calm it down? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but i heard it's the major threat of LiIon going bonkers | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: well, basically yes | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't recommend it though | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Wiki does say LiIons use fluorides | 15:12 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: if it works, why not? | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Since 2007 or so | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because of HF being toxic | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really toxic | 15:15 |
| RST38h | HF is definitely toxic, but I can't see how it can generate a lot of HF | 15:15 |
| RST38h | 1 | 15:17 |
| Luke-Jr | 2 | 15:17 |
| Estel_ | kerio, so if busybox-power uses dpkg-diverts, why DocScrutinizer05 insisted, that bug wasn't solved? | 15:22 |
| Estel_ | it can't be due to he being not objective when it comes to bb-p ;) | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't insist in anything, please don't start that scheme again | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your implicit insults not appreciated either | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if anybody insisted in anything then that's been you who insisted in forcing bb-p into cssu | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | against everybody incl maintainer of bb-p agreed on it not being an exactly good idea to do so | 15:29 |
| chem|st | RST38h: heat... | 15:30 |
| Luke-Jr | does it hurt anything to let the camera sensor think the lens is always open? | 15:30 |
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| Luke-Jr | like, will it use battery powering the camera? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err good question | 15:31 |
| chem|st | RST38h: your question how a LiPo generates HF | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends, wehn it actually thinks it needs to fucus and everything then it will eat shitloads of energy | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, my speeling sucks again | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG | 15:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blushes and heads out | 15:32 | |
| Luke-Jr | ah, makes sense if it doesn't power/etc until something accesses it | 15:32 |
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| Luke-Jr | aha doh | 15:35 |
| Luke-Jr | vibrate-on-sleep-with-lens-open is no longer useful | 15:35 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 15:35 |
| * Luke-Jr wonders what package that was | 15:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | surprise surprise | 15:35 |
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| Luke-Jr | hmm, Walmart has no BL-5J? :/ | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | surprise surprise | 15:37 |
| Luke-Jr | :p | 15:37 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 should create a macro for that | 15:38 | |
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| Luke-Jr | do you need to get it from Nokia direct to be sure it's real, or will reputable retailers like NewEgg or Amazon have legit batteries for sure? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amazon i'm not sure. The usual local store though should be OK | 15:38 |
| Luke-Jr | usual local store = Walmart = not have O.o | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer those which don't even claim to be "origginoll nokla" | 15:39 |
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| Luke-Jr | Newegg has them for $6.50 … "Sold by OrionGadgets" <.< | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not paying for the fake hologram make a friggin lot of difference | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: s/wallmart/Nokia sho/ | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shop* even | 15:41 |
| kerio | Luke-Jr: vi____ claims that aliexpress has a 1600mAh bl-5j | 15:41 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: don't think I've ever seen one of those in my life | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tend to buy mine in a 2nd-hand phoneshop next door. If they dare to sell shit to me, they are happy to get me a replacement or refund me | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are generally used genuine Nokia, and if I get a worn out one, they can get it back | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they know I won't leave the shop until my money is in my pocket again | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more than willing to pay 2 bucks more than they call for the most suspicious "original Nokla" in the interwebs | 15:46 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf does google give me "Dayspring Church" when I search for nokia? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for this convenience | 15:46 |
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| Luke-Jr | any reason to think a Verizon store might have them? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no verizon here | 15:48 |
| kerio | srsly though, 1600mAh is a lot | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather it's a carrier? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if they are, they might have Nokia phones and orginal spares | 15:48 |
| RST38h | Luke: Because that is where they told Elop his story about guy jumping from the burning platform into raging sea and staying alive? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for ~40bucks per bl-5j | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] erRrhmcrxchrrxxthis is your friendly pilot. We gonna try a few loopings and other tricks, might have unforeseeable impact on your traveling experience on *.maemo.org. But if all works out as we hope, we might offer you repo.m.o in a while, served at your seat. | 16:11 |
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| thedead1440 | brilliant DocScrutinizer05; looking forward to a safe-landing :D | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, we hope to recover after not too long | 16:13 |
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| jonwil | why must it be so hard to find a decent windows backup program that doesn't cost $$$ :( | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because windows is about $$$ | 16:15 |
| chem|st | jonwil: there was on I just cannot remember the name... | 16:15 |
| chem|st | one | 16:15 |
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| chem|st | jonwil: was it cobian maybe?! | 16:17 |
| jonwil | will see if that one looks good | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | jonwil: that is mainly because most people who really need backups do them by hand or have custom scripts | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry our looping exercises got postponed for a short while | 16:22 |
| RST38h | jonwil: and the rest are worth exploiting | 16:22 |
| jonwil | well at this point all I need is a simple way to say "burn this folder to as many DVDs as it takes until everything has been burnt" | 16:22 |
| RST38h | This is done with a CD burning software | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Which should have come with your computer | 16:23 |
| jonwil | I dont have any CD burning software | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Nero will do the job | 16:24 |
| jonwil | although there is aparently a free version of Nero out there | 16:24 |
| jonwil | so lets use that | 16:24 |
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| jonwil | oh wait it seems like the free version of Nero doesn't like Windows 7... | 16:31 |
| chem|st | jonwil: you are in the wrong channel... and windows7 has its own cd burning built in! | 16:31 |
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| chem|st | jonwil: and cd/dvds are bad for backup | 16:33 |
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| mer_ge | sorry, when will maemo.org be online again? | 16:33 |
| chem|st | mer_ge: it is online | 16:33 |
| chem|st | mer_ge: only repos are missing | 16:33 |
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| mer_ge | do you know when they'll be up again? | 16:34 |
| chem|st | there will be some testing taking place today | 16:35 |
| chem|st | if that goes well enough... do the math | 16:35 |
| mer_ge | nice, thanks | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down | 16:52 |
| infobot | i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 | 16:52 |
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| kerio | optical media is hipster as fuck | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <chem|st> there will be some testing taking place today <DocScrutinizer05> mashiara: could you announce here before starting up stage.m.o please? <mashiara> I will when I get to it, this will take a long while still | 17:01 |
| kerio | where does that happen? | 17:01 |
| kerio | why do you have secret channels :( | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where you won't pester him | 17:02 |
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| kerio | k | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to run all this in #maemo-meeting but noise level been way too high | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry but that's life, with the existing diference between those who IRC for fun and those we *must* use IRC (or even just think "well, with *that* I don't have to") | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/we /who / | 17:05 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: sorry but that's life, with the existing diference between those who IRC for fun and those who *must* use IRC (or even just think "well, with *that* I don't have to") | 17:05 |
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| vi____ | pipes 'n sockets > dbus | 17:06 |
| kerio | vi____: tru dat | 17:06 |
| kerio | with regards to what? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't you think all http://*.maemo.org is lighning fast right now? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (except when it takes eternities for initial connect sometimes) | 17:15 |
| * kerio thinks about saying something regarding repository., but decides against | 17:15 | |
| kerio | yep, really quick | 17:16 |
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| sulv | ~mirror | 17:36 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 17:36 |
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| sulv | ~jolla | 17:37 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: if I want to replace microb-engine with embedlite, what part should I write? should i take dummy-eal and implement embedlite-eal? or it is something else? | 19:50 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: that would not work... microb - it is UI with EAL in on process and eal-iml (like microb-eal + engine) in another process | 20:40 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: embedlite deliver multiProcess/Thread API out of the box | 20:41 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: so practically new EAL interface implementation wrapper around embedlite should be created... | 20:41 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: practically yep dummy eal new version... but nut sure how hard to do that... | 20:42 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: actually you also need to replace tablet-browser-view with EmbedLiteView | 20:43 |
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| freemangordon | oh, tablet-browser-view is closed source iirc :( | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | but why I need to replace it if I use gtk2 build? | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | isn't it based on gtkmozview? | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | (tablet-browser-view that is) | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: ^^^ | 20:51 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: no gtkmozembed is dead past... | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: I know, but I was thinking to write a wrapper | 20:52 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: tablet-browser-view is just compositor with Pan/Zoom tricks which compositing shared images received from microb-eal | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | so, why I need to rewrite it then? | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | oh, I don't have the interfaces? | 20:53 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: embedLite using Gecko Layers for compositing and ShadowLayers for multi-threading/processing | 20:53 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: microb was written with that architecture because mozilla did not have Multi/T/P architecture and layers on that time | 20:54 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: now mozilla can do rendering and content parsing/DOM/JS in parallel without special abstraction layers | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: I looked in embedlite headers and what I understood is at the end there is a virtual method RenderToImage I need to reimplement to do the actual rendering. Is that correct? | 20:56 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: you don't need to reimplement it, you just need to call it Widget::Paint event and provide buffer data to Gtk/Q/Image or XSHM Image (which could be uploaded into Gtk X Surface) | 20:58 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: see https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/embedding/embedlite/tests/qt/qtwidget/qgraphicsmozview.cpp#L299 | 20:59 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: or if you have some GTK GL context you can render into GL context directly | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: oh, I got it wrong :D. RenderToImage is not a callback (as I tought initially) | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | getting closer... :) | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: is there any documentation on that API? | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: I think I finally understood what you meant by "you need to reimplement browser-ui". though I will try to find a way to skip that, I am not sure i'll be able to do it with same functionality as stock | 21:06 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: as far I understood it is gonna be pretty difficult to write that wripper and workaround all UI hacks and tricks... | 21:07 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: I know you understood the matter way better than me, but reimplementing microb UI is not a task I am fit for :) | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | *understand | 21:08 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: I guess it make sense just to work together on QML ui implementation which could be used across devices platforms | 21:08 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: qwazix works on that (UI part). The only think I can help there is with some tweaks. | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | But microb-engine replacement would be a big win (if possible) | 21:10 |
| kerio | qml is poopoo on the n900 | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, it is not that bad, actually qml embedlite interface is usable | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | (test interface that is) | 21:10 |
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| kerio | yeah but it doesn't feel native enough | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | it scrolls between 30-50 fps | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | well, simple Qt will do the same job too AIUI | 21:11 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: browser-eal cover some sort of functionality but that does not cover async rendering... that part implemented via special hook like browser-eal IPC... practically it could be hoocked in some certain way | 21:11 |
| kerio | freemangordon: are you going to keep the stock browserd for maps and conversations? | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | kerio: so far I am not going to replace anything :P | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: I see | 21:12 |
| romaxa | oh, maps and converstions... | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | yep | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | one of the big problems alternative browsers have on n900, is that they have to fight for memory with browserd | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | though... maps... who uses that? | 21:14 |
| kerio | don't make me call the one who scrutinizes | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | call him, I bet he don;t use maps :) | 21:15 |
| kerio | users! | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: conversations use microb-engine via gtkmozembed? | 21:15 |
| kerio | but yeah, monav ftw | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | how big is qml (I assume it pulls in much of qt) library overrhead? | 21:25 |
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| * ShadowJK uses both maps and conversations :D | 21:26 | |
| ShadowJK | I'd imagine qt/qml is bigger issue, because while microb can be almost fully swapped out when using another browser (until you get a sms, anyway), that probably isn't true for gtk/hildon.. | 21:29 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: no via browser-eal interface | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody has a clue about rfc2822? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need help with gmail rejecting our mails from tmo | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: could you pastebin a full protocol please? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw it seems qwazix and woody have similar issues with lists.maemo.org. Woody claims mails from lists.maemo.org don't arrive at him for any administrative stuff (not forwarded mails, so stuff like account creation confirmation mail etc) | 21:48 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: SPF confusion? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix missing any mails forwarded to him from council@m.o | 21:48 |
| qwazix | hi romaxa, freemangordon, I got one question about embedlite, does it have the normal firefox manager of bookmarks etc (profile folder) or has this been stripped out? I mean do we need to implement the mechanism for bookmarks, sync etc or just the UI? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it seems this rings a bell here, though i'm *absolute* noob regarding that stuff | 21:49 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, I mailed X-Fade | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen it | 21:49 |
| qwazix | though no reply yet | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err nope, I've not seen it | 21:50 |
| qwazix | I was wondering what did I do wrong or if DocScrutinizer works for the CIA | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen woody mailing him, about "problems with list server" | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: could you elaborate a bit about SPF? | 21:51 |
| kerio | some magic string in a DNS TXT record | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll spam a errormsg chem|st posted in another chan... | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:52 |
| chem|st | 1sec | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | gmail might reject mails if the reverse doesn't resolve to the domain | 21:52 |
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| chem|st | Sc0rpius: checked | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah ok | 21:52 |
| kerio | that, too, but i think that we had that fixed | 21:52 |
| Sc0rpius | ah ok :) | 21:52 |
| chem|st | Sc0rpius: I checked all sane things so far | 21:53 |
| Sc0rpius | also check if the mail server IP is not in any of those SBL/PBL lists | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please wait for chem|st to provide sufficient info | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. a pastebin of a failed SMTP transfer | 21:54 |
| chem|st | http://pastebin.com/ixwyyH5i | 21:54 |
| Sc0rpius | pastebin down for me heh | 21:55 |
| chem|st | the transfer from the logs does not say anything... | 21:55 |
| chem|st | so I checked for blacklisting, rDNS, valid sender email | 21:55 |
| khm | character encoding problem? | 21:56 |
| chem|st | the onlything I can not change is that sending mail to tmo ends up sending mail to forums.iit.com | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is 550 5.7.1 | 21:56 |
| chem|st | I have no idea | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 550 might be return code | 21:56 |
| kerio | 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable | 21:57 |
| kerio | ooh, 550 5.7.1 unable to relay error | 21:57 |
| khm | kerio: that is exchange-specific | 21:57 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 21:57 |
| chem|st | then I might know what it is | 21:57 |
| chem|st | guys had gmail handling their mx and now do not anymore... | 21:58 |
| chem|st | so those are orphaned accounts | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 21:58 |
| Sc0rpius | ok | 21:59 |
| chem|st | mx still pointing to google but no account there anymore | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | maemo.org SMTP is lists.maemo.org that's fine | 21:59 |
| qwazix | chem|st, how about putting a notice on tmo about ~repo-down like the r/o notice reggie put? Or repos are up already? | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | bug lists.maemo.org (as a domain) also lists a MX record which is smtp01.wmfi.net | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | why is that? something@lists.maemo.org is valid | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | ? | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | s/bug/but | 21:59 |
| chem|st | qwazix: you mean announce? | 21:59 |
| qwazix | I mean some text over the banners | 22:00 |
| chem|st | I know what you mean | 22:00 |
| qwazix | so that not so many new threads are opened | 22:00 |
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| chem|st | qwazix: lol there were sticky threads + announcements before and people still start new threads about it... | 22:01 |
| chem|st | ~repo-down | 22:02 |
| infobot | repo-down is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 | 22:02 |
| qwazix | yeah, but many people incl. me just browse through active topics | 22:02 |
| qwazix | I rarely see subforum view ever | 22:02 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: qwazix wanna give me a text? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: sorry? | 22:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: repo down global announcement | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix wants to ask you about a header aiui | 22:04 |
| qwazix | Repositories (application catalogues) are temporarily not working due to migration to community driven infrastructure. See this thread for more info | 22:04 |
| chem|st | global announcements are shown on top of all views afaik | 22:05 |
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| qwazix | where thread = link for ~repo-down | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's no thread | 22:05 |
| chem|st | lol no I wont link to IRC logs... | 22:05 |
| qwazix | oops sorry | 22:05 |
| qwazix | there is a thread lemme find it | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | $*.maemo.org is down - see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 | 22:06 |
| chem|st | pls | 22:06 |
| qwazix | ty DocScrutinizer | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659 actually | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what vBulletin does with all those different notations | 22:07 |
| qwazix | p (post id) t (topic id) | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but why do they differ? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why is there both of them? | 22:08 |
| qwazix | hmm not sure | 22:08 |
| qwazix | probably to be able to go directly to post? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, I'd prefer to try and solve the mail issue first | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | khm been willing to help | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio too | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:10 |
| khm | I know mail stuff | 22:10 |
| chem|st | ok it is like a thread.... | 22:11 |
| chem|st | I will have a look for the header tomorrow, for now everyone who sees threads does see the announcement | 22:12 |
| qwazix | chem|st, and please remove council banner and add this http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30587&stc=1&d=1358163088 | 22:12 |
| chem|st | qwazix: not now | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! | 22:12 |
| chem|st | HELL! | 22:12 |
| kerio | <Strong Bad> Email is like a prison. A prison with no walls. And no toilet. | 22:13 |
| * chem|st knows why he is not doing this stuff in #maemo | 22:13 | |
| qwazix | chem|st, whenever you like | 22:13 |
| qwazix | ~donate | 22:13 |
| infobot | from memory, donate is http://www.spi-inc.org/donations | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: please stop hijacking the channel | 22:13 |
| qwazix | infobot #maemo donate is https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=PZMJBZEB4WB9Q or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222 | 22:14 |
| infobot | qwazix: okay | 22:14 |
| chem|st | qwazix: I know about the banner, and I know where it is setup and I will ask for it when I am on the bottom of my list | 22:14 |
| kerio | qwazix: tinyurl pls | 22:14 |
| qwazix | okay, I'm out | 22:14 |
| chem|st | sending email first receiving email second | 22:14 |
| chem|st | yes vBulletin wants to receive mail! | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, a last try to restart out effort to find culprit of tmo mail not working | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our* | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | khm: any suggestions? | 22:18 |
| khm | I don't know the error state. | 22:18 |
| khm | What error messages are you seeing? What do the logs say? etc. I'm not spun up on this problem, but I'm willing to be. | 22:19 |
| NeutrinoPower | is it easy to execute an script when I call someone or get called? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: could you provide a complete trace of the communication (postfix log, tcpdump, wireshark)? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: yes | 22:19 |
| NeutrinoPower | I want limit bittorrent (transmission) of homeserver at calls | 22:20 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: ? it is a smtp reject... | 22:22 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: just cc'ed you on a test email from private mail | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 22:22 |
| kerio | NeutrinoPower: buy a seedbox | 22:22 |
| khm | do we have logs from the MTA that is rejecting the mail? | 22:23 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: normal gmail accounts work | 22:23 |
| chem|st | I have seen only two so far and that was people having google manage their mx server | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaffa's email addr is supposed to work, no? | 22:23 |
| chem|st | jaffa?! | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | andrew?! | 22:24 |
| chem|st | nope | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what nope? | 22:25 |
| chem|st | that is one of those two not working | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how about asking Jaffa_ about it? | 22:25 |
| chem|st | check your mail^^ | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf could I learn there? | 22:26 |
| chem|st | that I wrote him a mail about it you where cc'ed | 22:26 |
| khm | hah | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it a "real relay issue"? how should I see that? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just doubt Jaffa_ has general problems like that with his well known mail addr | 22:27 |
| chem|st | real as tmo is unable to send to it my own server is able too | 22:27 |
| chem|st | gmail locked our service some day cause someone else tried to register the domain | 22:28 |
| chem|st | without asking | 22:28 |
| chem|st | got locked and deleted | 22:28 |
| chem|st | instantaneous | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 22:28 |
| chem|st | that is why I wont setup mx with google anymore | 22:28 |
| chem|st | 250 accounts | 22:29 |
| chem|st | gone | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you completely lost me | 22:29 |
| chem|st | you can have google host your mx-server | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last word I understood was you suggesting I should check my mail, and I didn't find anything useful there | 22:30 |
| chem|st | like Jaffa_ does | 22:30 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: you asked me to contact Jaffa_, and I did before you asked me for | 22:30 |
| chem|st | nvm... | 22:31 |
| chem|st | I'm out | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you think I had a magic intuition to suggest you should contact Jaffa_? Of course I did that *because* I saw you did | 22:31 |
| * chem|st is calling in sick | 22:31 | |
| chem|st | oh I missed on the email account data... thought you read it from another channel | 22:32 |
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| Jaffa_ | yo | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you sent a mail to andrew at bleb, I suggested it's unlikely jaffa has general problems with his mail account, since it's a known addr since long, and we might ask him directly about any known issues with it | 22:35 |
| Jaffa_ | chem|st: andrew@bleb.org is working fine, and I got your mail | 22:36 |
| Jaffa_ | Is Google playing silly beggars with SMTP connections from TMO? (I've been getting emails from the email bridge) | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa_: http://pastebin.com/ixwyyH5i | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I understood that's about your address there | 22:41 |
| chem|st | Jaffa_: yes | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas we're missing a full protocol of the connection, it might shed some more light on the issue by looking at previous commands | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g if there's a failing SMP in it | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err SPF | 22:43 |
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| chem|st | Jan 22 20:24:38 Talk postfix/smtp[26691]: DCCEB186EA: to=<andrewsmailaddress>, relay=aspmx.l.google.com[173.194.71.27]:25, delay=1.1, delays=0.09/0.18/0.35/0.46, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent | 22:45 |
| chem|st | is what I get | 22:46 |
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| ShadowJK | Is jan 19 after migration? the mails from mailing list took funny path | 22:47 |
| chem|st | guess so yes | 22:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at DCCEB186EA and dsn=2.0.0 | 22:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though no real clue | 22:50 |
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| ShadowJK | ???? (webmail) - mail*.google.com - mail.maemo.org (claimed) - test.maemo.org ([188.117.59.198]) - smtp01.int.wmfi.net [81.22.170.76] - smtp.maemo.org (wml0241 [10.129.133.36]) - lists.maemo.org - lists.maemo.org (wml0238 [10.129.133.33]) - maemoqa.com [81.22.169.238] - myisp | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder WTF is test.maemo.org. We even got a VM for that and no clue what it's doing | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | the wmfi part is more wtf to me :) | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | rfc2822 is tldr but it looks more about syntax to me | 22:58 |
| chem|st | Jaffa_: it is only yours and one more afai get the mails back | 23:03 |
| chem|st | and all other gmail accounts work | 23:03 |
| chem|st | those two not working are where google is your mx server | 23:03 |
| chem|st | for your homepage | 23:03 |
| chem|st | so not a gmail address | 23:04 |
| chem|st | that is all I know | 23:04 |
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| chem|st | and my smtp gets a status=sent since I made the webmaster a proper email address, before that no mails to several servers | 23:05 |
| chem|st | but they did not accept it... they bounced it back | 23:05 |
| chem|st | so couch time... later! | 23:05 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer: maybe something concerning the SPF record? ...http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/4408/chapter3.html | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: many thanks :-) | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly my suspicion | 23:10 |
| khm | there don't appear to be any spf records. | 23:10 |
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| ShadowJK | maemo.org doesn't seem to have a spf record, i dont think gmail requires one yet? | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | maemoqa.com and wmfi seem to be related, and hosted/managed by Logica, domain owned by Nokia, whatever it is. | 23:17 |
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| ShadowJK | no spf records there either though | 23:18 |
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