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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: N has about 90% overheads | 00:02 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: compared to 20% on b/g | 00:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | jacekowski: do you talk about 802.11? | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:06 |
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| Creteil | Can someone have a look at : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88722 | 00:06 |
| Creteil | It's many days now I try to push anything to auto-builder but without success ... | 00:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually 802.11B have biggest overhead compared to its speed, 802.11G - I got around 3.2MiB/s TOP from 54mbps, 802.11N have slightly bigger overhead, then 802.11G, but you gain on speed of HT, so why bother | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | no you fon'y | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | don't* | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | 300Mbit N in some cases will give you 90% overhead | 00:07 |
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| jacekowski | and normally around 70% | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | that's barely faster than g | 00:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | 802.11G fixes some problems of 802.11B with short-preamble (most cards can do short-preamble on speeds 2,6,11 mbps | 00:08 |
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| WizardNumberNext | how do you measure it? | 00:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was getting 66mbps of usefull transfer on N | 00:09 |
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| wirr | Creteil, autobuilder is offline at the time being | 00:09 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not measuring it, i've read the spec | 00:09 |
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| jacekowski | unless devices can do frame aggregation (most do, but there are some that don't) you get 90% overheads | 00:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | thats nowhere close to G (26.8mbps max in TCP) | 00:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | read it again | 00:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | you get a lot of overhead but not soi much | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | nope | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | overheads on G are much lower | 00:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | are you sending 20bytes packets only? | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | 802.11n is slow even for 1500 without frame aggregation | 00:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | sorry, but plain G can send up to 24xx bytes at once | 00:11 |
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| jacekowski | theoretically | 00:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | without frae aggregation it is slower | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | frame aggregation on g is non existient | 00:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | obvioulsy, because without frame aggregation it is G running on N | 00:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | frame aggregation is possible ONLY if you are using HT | 00:13 |
| Creteil | wirr, any ETA to the resurection of auto-builder ? | 00:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | without HT you have 54mbps to use with N overheads, obviously slower, then G | 00:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | frame aggregation wasn't (and isn't) needed on G | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | it's not needed on n as well | 00:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | aggregate what? frames which comes one after another? | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | frame aggregation works only on two channels, one sends one frame another another frame | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | and even though spec says it's required | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | no | 00:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | wait which spec do you read? | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | frame aggregation works in completely different way | 00:15 |
| wirr | Creteil, unfortunately not afaik | 00:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | where it is stated, I would love to see it | 00:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | because if it is true, then I was wrong all the time | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | there is only one spec | 00:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | page please | 00:17 |
| Creteil | Well, anyhow thanks ... | 00:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I hyave it on my desktop or server | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | 802.11n-2009 | 00:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway my adaptor work only up to 38xx bytes, so no real improvement | 00:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | I cannot do 76xx frames on my RaLink RT3070 | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | that's why i'm saying that although aggregation is required | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | it's almost useless | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | it's great if you don't care about latencies and aggreagate up to the maximum of 65k | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | 64k* | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | http://www.cwnp.com/cwnp_wifi_blog/802-11n-line-rate-vs-data-rate-part-1-frame-aggregation/ | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | somebody has bothered to work out all the numbers | 00:22 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ok, then where in hell he can find 802.11n card, which is capable of sending 64k frames? | 00:28 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I never got any, which is able to send 7935B at once | 00:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | mine does half | 00:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | 3839B to be exact | 00:30 |
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| jacekowski | i don't think any cards can do | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | but wireless bridges/access points can | 00:31 |
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| WizardNumberNext | jacekowski: what is in bridges/APs? magic black box? NO, those contain ordinary 802.11 cards! Nothing ELSE! | 00:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | They does exactly same job as cards, which they are based on | 00:35 |
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| WizardNumberNext | start hunting for good 802.11 hardware (just chips for it, not a complete card) and you will see - nothing out of ordinary. All of what you can find, you will find on market on ordinary cards | 00:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | there are small exeption like TI TWL1xxx (1251 1253 1273 17xx) and other such chips for mobile/embedded market | 00:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | but you still can get hold of such device | 00:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | I used TI acx111 in laptop for few weeks (it is very hard to get this card and it is next to useless, if you would not pull firmware from router/AP) | 00:40 |
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| jacekowski | WizardNumberNext: not exactly | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | WizardNumberNext: they run in different mode | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | WizardNumberNext: and quite often with different firmware | 01:09 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I know, but still, if hardware have limitation you cannot fix that limitation with firmware | 01:10 |
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| WizardNumberNext | it would be like fixing phenom processor to buldozer processor with simple microcode update - that is not possible | 01:11 |
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| FIQ | :p | 01:12 |
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| jacekowski | very often hardware is limited because they want to sell it as cheaper model | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | but in case of wifi it's because frame aggregation increases delays | 01:18 |
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| MekkisScreen | hey... how can one press the alt key on the N900 terminal? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually esc helps as prefix | 02:50 |
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| MekkisScreen | thanks | 02:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Initial benchmarks for two samsung microsdhc cards, samsung essential 16g class 6, Samsung Plus 16g class 10. The class 6 is better, but has weird performance profile. The Class 10 is all around bad. :-) | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 04:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if class10 is actually class1.0 | 04:20 | |
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| UberNeo | are the repositories down . tried to install an application using "Faster Application Manager" but it failed to grab the package | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 04:21 |
| infobot | mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-dwon | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down | 04:21 |
| infobot | i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, your next post was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T03:37:05, so maybe you didn't notice that explanation I gave | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman | 04:24 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 04:24 |
| ShadowJK | Actually, the class 6 is pretty bad too, performance with a filesystem on it will be terrible | 04:26 |
| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer05: i have migrated to a bigger uSd .. it worked . without dd or even without the same size partitions b/w old and new usd | 04:29 |
| UberNeo | only the cp -a worked like charm | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | UberNeo: good to hear you got it sorted :-) | 04:31 |
| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot for all your inputs :) | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 04:31 |
| PocketWulfe | is fapman available for diablo? | 04:47 |
| PocketWulfe | and what kind of problems i should say. | 04:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | PocketWufle: read note above about fapman | 04:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~fapman | 04:59 |
| infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 04:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: glad to hear it | 04:59 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I think everybody sleeps on #nvidia channel. I asked question ages ago and no answer yet | 05:00 |
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| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: thanks for ur valuable inputs as well | 05:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: you are welcome | 05:01 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I use Debian from release of sarge (3.1) i revision 0 | 05:02 |
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| WizardNumberNext | s/i re/in re/ | 05:02 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext meant: I use Debian from release of sarge (3.1) in revision 0 | 05:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | so I have some experience with GNU/Linux. I have been using other distros previously, but Debian is best so far. | 05:03 |
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| UberNeo | seems like some issues with teh Mirror Repos | 05:05 |
| UberNeo | i have used http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 . Extras Repo | 05:05 |
| UberNeo | mirror 1 | 05:05 |
| UberNeo | but failed to get the package contents | 05:06 |
| UberNeo | any luck with anybody .. to install packages from Mirror 1 | 05:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: if it is merlin1991's repo mirror, then it didn't work for me - hash sums wrong | 05:06 |
| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: i used http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 05:07 |
| PocketWulfe | wiz i did read it but that wasnt what i was wanting to know. =p | 05:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | I didn't use it. I use the other one, not merlin, not italian | 05:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | skeiron | 05:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | it seams to work | 05:08 |
| UberNeo | does skeiron . works fine . | 05:08 |
| UberNeo | I am using Faster Applicatin Manager | 05:09 |
| Snafu777 | !FAM | 05:09 |
| Snafu777 | ~fam | 05:09 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 05:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | I never even tried to try to use fapman | 05:10 |
| UberNeo | infobot: the generic default application manager is very slow . | 05:10 |
| infobot | that's too long, UberNeo | 05:10 |
| UberNeo | what else do u suggest . as Application Manager | 05:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: infobot is a BOT. it saves us to type away what we want to say | 05:11 |
| UberNeo | how does infobot works then . so there is no person behind infobot | 05:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: you can use plain apt. I tried aptitude, but it always catches SIGSEGV - segmentation fault | 05:12 |
| Snafu777 | apt-get works great | 05:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | no there is nobody behind it | 05:12 |
| Snafu777 | real men use apt-get | 05:12 |
| Snafu777 | ~apt-get | 05:12 |
| infobot | i guess apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... | 05:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | Snafu777: I agree - I use apt-get if I know what I am looking for | 05:13 |
| Snafu777 | apt-cache search | 05:13 |
| Snafu777 | to find what u want | 05:13 |
| Snafu777 | hildon application manager sucks donkey balls, faster application manager breaks stuff....therefore we're left with apt-get | 05:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, ham is extremely slow | 05:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | I wish aptitude would work | 05:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | I love aptitude - I use as long as long I use Debian | 05:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | simply love it | 05:14 |
| UberNeo | but FAM .. gives the complete list of application in a very easy readable way | 05:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it breaks stuff | 05:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | if I would have choice between fapman and apt-get and there would nothing else, then I would stick to apt-get | 05:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | at least it does work | 05:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | ... as expected | 05:16 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext, wo says nobody is behind me? I'm not sufficient for you? | 05:16 |
| * infobot cries | 05:17 | |
| WizardNumberNext | apt-get is almost as old as Debian | 05:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | who is playing with infobot? | 05:17 |
| Skry | ~botsnack | 05:17 |
| infobot | :), Skry | 05:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | not to worry infobot, I can care about you same as about my beloved hal | 05:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | and I don't mean Hardware Abstraction Layer | 05:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | Skry: nice | 05:18 |
| UberNeo | can we zoom in the running video in N900 | 05:19 |
| PocketWulfe | i prefered apt-get because of multiple installing. hap only does one at a time. | 05:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am not sure about default player, but in mplayer you can | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UberNeo: get cssu, there's a zoom option in tv settings | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not meant for arbitrary live zooms | 05:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: cssu? you mean testing? | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean CSSU-Testing, if that's what you mean by "testing" | 05:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, that is what I meant | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's also a maemo-testing repository, which is completely unrelated | 05:21 |
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| WizardNumberNext | usualy I avoid anything what is testing | 05:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | after 3 trials of Debian in testing flavor | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: good to hear skeiron works | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: ^^^ :-) | 05:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes it does, but merlin1991 doesn't | 05:22 |
| UberNeo | Kmplayer . has ful screen mode | 05:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: smplayer have it as well | 05:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | and I like it more, but it is up to you what you would like more | 05:23 |
| UberNeo | also . in Kmplayer . even if u swich off the screen . the video keeps on working . but not in default player | 05:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | smplayer is full of features, do not know about kmplayer, if it is similar to what I get on Debian, then it is crap compared to smplayer | 05:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | UberNeo: it plays on both default and smplayer after switching off screen | 05:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | in default one it is bit of luck, but usualy it does work | 05:25 |
| UberNeo | for me the luck doesnt works in teh default player | 05:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | you just leave it for few seconds after video started to play and then switch it off and usualy video is still playing with screen off | 05:25 |
| UberNeo | No i mean . if u manully .stand by the scrren . from the hard switch on right side of N900 | 05:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | unfortunately if video would stop to play, then media player have to restarted and even that sometimes fails to work | 05:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, that is what I mean | 05:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | I usualy do that 3-5 seconds after video started to play and video is still playing, while screen is off | 05:28 |
| UberNeo | cool . wil try then | 05:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | sometimes it fails, but usualy I get what i want | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never fails for me. What doesn't work though is putting mediaplayer to background | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike audio playback for videos it immediately pauses | 05:36 |
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| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer05: exactly tht what i wanted to say .. | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, putting video to background isn't exactly simple anyway, and also more or less nonsensical, since the second app in forground now might for example be a second videoplayer, or a browser playing flash video, or whatever | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while audio could even get mixed, for video that doesn't make any sense | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also video playback is quite resource demanding, so you better don't run other apps in parallel, to avoid negative impact on video playback | 05:44 |
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| UberNeo | DocScrutinizer05: makes sense . but sometimes . we just want to listen to the music .. in the video .. i knw . its a bit unusual . anyways . a bit nonsensical as well | 05:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then teach mafw to playback your video media in audio player, and things you want are feasible | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's possible to teach mafw gstreamer pipe to playback flac, I don't see why it can't be done to play any other semi-reasonable source of audio via mafw as well | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it even already works, I honestly never tried ;-) | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there's a plain audio playback plugin for gstreamer, it probably shall 'just work' | 05:51 |
| UberNeo | dont knwo how it works in Kmplayer | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kmplayer most likely doesn't use mafw anyway | 05:55 |
| UberNeo | yeah makes sense . | 05:57 |
| UberNeo | anyways everybody . late night . better get some sleep . have to go to my shite office .. tmmrw morning :( | 05:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | see you arounf UberNeo | 05:59 |
| UberNeo | WizardNumberNext: DocScrutinizer05 have a good night | 06:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | you too | 06:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would have very productive night | 06:01 |
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| Skry | with gstreamer you just leave video decoding out of the pipeline, player (or whatever contructs the pipeline) should probably implement some kind of option to play only audio out of videos. Would be easier to just extract the audio out of the container though. | 06:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Skry, he left | 06:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway I would prefer to use gstreamer as it garantee decoding by IVA2, where I do not know if mplayer does that | 06:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | obviously for supported formats | 06:06 |
| Skry | yea, mplayer doesn't | 06:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | good to know - I was to lazy to find it out | 06:09 |
| Skry | list of (officially) supported formats is a bit short though | 06:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is | 06:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was thinking I would find some firmware for IVA2, but no results | 06:17 |
| Skry | you already have the firmware, if you want software for your dsp search for c64x + whatever | 06:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | I meant the soft running on IVA2 (which in nature is firmware, because it runs directly on hardware) | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the definition of firmware (if there's any at all) is "software in a read-only storage" | 06:36 |
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| WizardNumberNext | doc: so how do you explain firmware for 802.11 cards - most of them have some area for it, which is perfectly writable | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | every storage is writable, otherwise it was no storage | 06:38 |
| Skry | I was speaking about /lib/dsp/baseimage.dof, which usually is referred as firmware, regardless if it's right or wrong term to be used | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but firmware is program code that can't usually get altered by the system it is executed on | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so in this sense even program code transfered to RAM of a wifi or BT chip is firmware since the chip can't load it arbitrarily nor can it usually alter it during runtime | 06:42 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: :) | 06:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh, fennec seems to periodically peg emmc ext3 partition at >75% busy for tens of seconds | 07:21 |
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| ShadowJK | i can feel the smell of sqlite infection here :) | 07:21 |
| Skry | :) | 07:21 |
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| Snafu777 | ~kill | 07:26 |
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| Snafu777 | Something strange, in yer neighborhood, who ya gunna call? | 07:44 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh, reading a mailing list thread via gmane web interface on fennec/n900 | 07:45 |
| ShadowJK | sshd into n900 from n810, running iostat | 07:46 |
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| ShadowJK | everytime scrolling jitters on N900, i glance at N810, and sure enough, it shows a big spike in emmc ext3 partition busyness | 07:46 |
| ShadowJK | ironically, the thread im reading just morphed into fs devs despairing about the evils of sqlite :-) | 07:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: how do you run iostat constantly | 07:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | I cannot work it out to make it work constantly | 07:51 |
| ShadowJK | iostat -x -k -d mmcblk0p2 mmcblk1p2 10 | 07:51 |
| ShadowJK | for 10s updates | 07:52 |
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| ShadowJK | 0p2 is my emmc /home, 1p2 is my microsd swap | 07:52 |
| ShadowJK | remove -d to get cpu stats too | 07:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | I missed INTERVAL in help | 07:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | thanks | 07:53 |
| Lunde | Kerio: you gonna tell me how to use gconftool | 07:58 |
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| kerio | ~rtfm | 08:01 |
| infobot | it has been said that rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM | 08:01 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Read The FINE Manual ;) | 08:03 |
| Lunde | no offense,you said I will tell you | 08:08 |
| Lunde | no problem | 08:08 |
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| ShadowJK | http://lwn.net/Articles/518988/ | 08:48 |
| * ShadowJK wants it on n900 :( | 08:49 | |
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| freemangordon | ~mirrors | 09:22 |
| infobot | mirror is, like, http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 09:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, could somebody check what's the actual HAM auto-update schedule in alarmd please? is it a period on an unspecified starting time, or is it every day same time of day, or what? | 09:43 |
| kerio | it's called "check-interval" in gconf | 09:44 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ~# gconftool -a --all-dirs /apps/hildon/update-notifier | 09:45 |
| thedead1440 | blink-after = 1440 | 09:45 |
| thedead1440 | check_interval = 1440 | 09:45 |
| kerio | thedead1440: alarmclient | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trigger 1358800949 -> 2013-01-21 21:42:29 wd=Mon tz=CET dst=No (T-12h58m8s) | 09:46 |
| kerio | i think it's set again on every check | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and with a period of whatever you configured (or default 24h), from the very moment it's checked during start of alarmd on boot | 09:47 |
| kerio | also hi DocScrutinizer | 09:47 |
| kerio | sup | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | calculating load on repo.m.o by 40k devices | 09:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | will they all ask at once, at 00:00 UTC? | 09:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how many with -devel enabled? | 09:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nah, the clock drifts like hell | 09:48 |
| kerio | and there's no mention of midnight | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clock drift is negligible | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's what I meant, it's not synced to time of day | 09:49 |
| kerio | i get something like 15 seconds a day | 09:49 |
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| kerio | do you reckon that the majority of those 40k have extras-devel enabled? | 09:52 |
| kerio | it doesn't matter as long as the Release file isn't changed | 09:52 |
| kerio | but still | 09:52 |
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| * ShadowJK accidentally finds a webpage that makes fennec consume 800M memory | 09:57 | |
| cehteh | <pre>pooof</pre> :) | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I'm concerned (well, Eero is) that all would try to update at same time, like if there was a cron entry | 09:58 |
| kerio | cehteh: as in the html tag? | 09:58 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: is it myfreecams? because myfreecams works kinda fine in microb | 09:59 |
| kerio | which is fairly awesome | 09:59 |
| cehteh | fennec never worked well for me | 09:59 |
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| cehteh | maybe i shall try the most recent release | 10:00 |
| kerio | the non-thumby one in ovi is unusable | 10:00 |
| cehteh | ah ok | 10:00 |
| cehteh | no go then | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alarmclient -L|grep -C8 ham_updates | 10:01 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio; no | 10:05 |
| kerio | it's still a nice showcase of how the n900 is still lightyears ahead of any other smartphone | 10:06 |
| kerio | and it's also a nice showcase of... other things | 10:06 |
| kerio | or so i've been told | 10:06 |
| ShadowJK | I was browsing for more cards to test and found a local distributor of Integral cards (and others), http://www.muistikauppa.fi | 10:08 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Isn't 800MB a normal footprint for Fennec? | 10:08 |
| RST38h | =) | 10:08 |
| ShadowJK | went a few categories deep from left and fennec was pretty soon up to 800M swap in use | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, wouldn't happen here ;-P | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if I would use fenec | 10:12 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Haven't got 800MB RAM? | 10:18 |
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| ShadowJK | My desktop machine has 8g ram and 7g swap in use | 10:19 |
| * ShadowJK should restart firefox :-/ | 10:19 | |
| RST38h | why use fennec on a desktop? | 10:20 |
| RST38h | anything special about it? | 10:20 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not. | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: haven't got 800Mb of swap | 10:22 |
| ShadowJK | But the first desktop executable version of fennec did have a novel feature, pressing back button was instant load from cache instead of refresh from network :) | 10:22 |
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| cehteh | ShadowJK: firefox does that since ages, it even caches the most recent pages in rendered form | 10:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | can somebody translate >>flags STATE(QUEUED) RUN_DELAYED|CONNECTED|BACK_RESCHEDULE<< for me please. (alarmclient -L|grep -C8 ham_updates) | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: what became of that concept to download *ahead* - i.e. download links on page just viewed, in case user might click on them | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably somebody found it's brainfart and causes congestion of downlink for the one page you *actually* want to see enxt | 10:29 |
| freemangordon | the more I read about this qml hing, the more i dislike it. WTF, one should mimic hildon-status-menu?!? | 10:30 |
| freemangordon | *thing | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, qml | 10:30 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: from memory, what component should be rewritten, so microb-engine to be replaced? is it gtkmozembed or something else? | 10:31 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: int terms of embedlite that is. | 10:31 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: also, did you try to open some flash in qml UI? | 10:33 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: since the last thumb update I've this behaviour occurring quite frequently: When a notification like a SMS arrives, I click on the X button in the task-switcher to clear it but it won't clear till i repeatedly click it and a message saying hildon-home is not responding; to close or not. Once I click NO the notification usually has cleared. Any idea on what logs to submit to debug this? Thanks! | 10:34 |
| thedead1440 | N.B. It used to occur previously but quite rarely like once in 15-20notifications but now its like once in 2 notifications | 10:35 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: there are some extensions who do that, but it caused a lot trouble and didnt worked well | 10:35 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: hmm, strange, never seen that here | 10:35 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: could you install h-d from cssu-devel and see if it still occurs? | 10:36 |
| thedead1440 | ok will do so | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: you need Qt too | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | otherwise rotation in Qt apps will be broken | 10:36 |
| thedead1440 | qt-mobility and qt4-x11? | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: just lemme confirm with arcean if latest h-d is in -devel | 10:37 |
| thedead1440 | there is one in there from 18/01 | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: qt-mobility in cssu-devel? | 10:37 |
| thedead1440 | ya | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errm, I've seen exactly the same yesterday when trying to close a missed call notifier in taskswitcher. No thumb | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but cssu-t | 10:38 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for sure it is not because -thumb, I upgraded h-d in recent cssu-thumb with the ne from -testing | 10:38 |
| freemangordon | th*one | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | the fuck :( | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnhnhnhn | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | ohh, arcean is offline | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: accept your typos ;-) | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | :) | 10:39 |
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| freemangordon | i am using remote desktop to my home PC, sometimes keystrokes are not registered | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | that's why those "eaten" letters | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, general dbus msgs loss alike problems been always common on fremantle like on all dbus systems | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I stilll suspect dbus itself is buggy | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could it be ppoll/pselect? | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but not on my desktop KDE, eh? | 10:41 |
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| freemangordon | we should continue wiki edits for kernel in CSSU in that regard | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 10:41 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for sure not on your desktop :D | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you generally should resume using wiki | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *works* again :-D \o/ | 10:42 |
| freemangordon | I know | 10:42 |
| freemangordon | ohh, Pali is offline too :( | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on that topic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 10:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one user and 6 guests on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 - *incl me(!!)*. I wonder whom for I do those daily updates there | 10:55 |
| mickname | me! | 10:56 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you should give the thread a silent bump by posting your latest update as a post too && your updates do help ;) | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you could post as well ;-D | 11:01 |
| thedead1440 | I'm not OP and its your work :p | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate posts of mine that don't gather at least 8 thanks | 11:01 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 11:01 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you post to gather thanks? I tought you do it to be useful :P | 11:02 |
| nakugaka | hi i was wondering what is up with the reposatorys are they down ? because i havend been able to reach them on my n900 | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YAY!! | 11:02 |
| freemangordon | ~mirrors | 11:02 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down | 11:02 |
| infobot | i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42 | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 11:03 |
| freemangordon | kerio: see, i've learned to write "mirror" correctly :D:D:D | 11:03 |
| thedead1440 | haha its like "attack of the zombies" whenever someone asks about repos down :D | 11:03 |
| nakugaka | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ <- alternative repo's ? | 11:04 |
| freemangordon | nakugaka: more of a backup | 11:04 |
| thedead1440 | nakugaka: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 its self-explanatory | 11:04 |
| nakugaka | thx i recently finally got a n900 and i was kinda bummed out the repo's were down | 11:05 |
| nakugaka | fuck the whole site was acing like it was on acid :P | 11:05 |
| nakugaka | but thx ^^ | 11:05 |
| freemangordon | you've choosen a bad moment :) | 11:05 |
| nakugaka | also has somebody ever atempted to port maemo5 to the rasberry-pi? | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: you got mail!! \o/ board and council actually (Nemein quote fro hosting and maintenance) | 11:08 |
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| nakugaka | is it known that the repo mirror for extra's from merlin 1991 has an hash error | 11:20 |
| thedead1440 | nakugaka: did you read the thread i linked to? | 11:20 |
| nakugaka | doing 20 tings at the same time its easy to overlook something :P | 11:21 |
| nakugaka | seriusly the work you need to do just to get an ssh client -_- | 11:22 |
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| wirr | thedead1440, thanks for updating the migration wiki page | 11:35 |
| thedead1440 | wirr: np ;) | 11:35 |
| * wirr holds up a big sign saying: Update, update, update: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 11:38 | |
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| nakugaka | is it known that the openssh-client has problems with the n900 keyboard because i have some serius problems logging into some of my servers with it | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | it's your fingers | 11:46 |
| nakugaka | nope ive checkd it and it aint my fingers | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | besides, use keys | 11:47 |
| nakugaka | naa i prefer to restrict it to single ip's anyway and its not open to the wwwz so hightend securoty is not needed | 11:48 |
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| ShadowJK | nakugaka, try type your password into vi or nano first, to see if you're typing what you think you're typing | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or into xchat ;-P | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ding | 13:51 |
| infobot | dong | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if it wasn't IRC I'd get nervous for the silence | 14:14 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ~ding | 14:35 |
| infobot | dong | 14:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | no more silence | 14:35 |
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| kerio | ~ding | 14:46 |
| infobot | dong | 14:47 |
| jon_y | ~dong | 14:51 |
| infobot | ding | 14:51 |
| jon_y | :) | 14:51 |
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| WizardNumberNext | bim-bam-bom | 14:55 |
| kerio | wub wub wub | 14:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: do you know if HiFo has permissions to rehost the contents of downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle? | 14:57 |
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| jon_y | kerio: you do dubstep? :) | 14:58 |
| kerio | nah | 14:58 |
| jon_y | sadly, I know that wub wub only after playing Borderlands 2 | 14:58 |
| jon_y | 80% more wub wub than the previous game | 14:59 |
| jon_y | there wasn't actually any in the first game though | 15:00 |
| kerio | so there's no wub wub in borderlands 2 either | 15:00 |
| jon_y | there is, only one scene | 15:01 |
| kerio | so it's ∞% more wub wub than the previous game | 15:01 |
| jon_y | so any amount of wub wub will fill that quota | 15:01 |
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| myname24 | Hi , did they release accuweather for N900 or it has been left ? I can't find it in ovi . | 15:08 |
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| merlin1991 | nakugaka: which part of my mirror has the hash error? | 15:11 |
| nakugaka | pff | 15:11 |
| nakugaka | i dont remember again | 15:11 |
| merlin1991 | because I checked extras-devel and cssu-testing and both were fine | 15:12 |
| merlin1991 | hm I'll have to check the other 2 then too :D | 15:12 |
| nakugaka | i got the error withn the default app manager on the nokia n900 | 15:12 |
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| nakugaka | srry my short term memmory sucks ass so i dont remember anymore | 15:12 |
| merlin1991 | np | 15:12 |
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| nakugaka | but it was community community-extra or community-testing | 15:13 |
| nakugaka | because those are the ones i added at that time | 15:14 |
| thedead1440 | merlin1991: community, extras and extras-devel all have hash sum mismatch on yours: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315956&postcount=9 | 15:14 |
| merlin1991 | damn | 15:15 |
| nakugaka | ?? | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | they worked with apt-get | 15:15 |
| nakugaka | lol not everybody uses apt-get | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | yeah but it's the fastes way to check ususally | 15:15 |
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| merlin1991 | I didn't bother to fire up ham | 15:15 |
| nakugaka | true | 15:15 |
| thedead1440 | merlin1991: it didn't work on apt-get too IIRC | 15:15 |
| merlin1991 | huh, it worked for me | 15:16 |
| nakugaka | but hey do you guys know if maemo5 has been ported to other devices sucsessfully ? | 15:16 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 15:16 |
| nakugaka | because i couldent find any info on it | 15:16 |
| merlin1991 | well there is corida which got the hildon-desktop running on mer | 15:16 |
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| nakugaka | ah so it wont be a waste of time for me to try to pert it to the rasberry po :P | 15:17 |
| nakugaka | pi | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | so basically any device that runs mer | 15:17 |
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| nakugaka | nice thx | 15:17 |
| merlin1991 | nakugaka: well depends on what you wan to run on the pi from maemo5 | 15:17 |
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| kerio | there's a ton of closed stuff in fremantle | 15:17 |
| nakugaka | the whole distro if possible | 15:17 |
| nakugaka | lol i have a lot of time and i am good at reverse engineering | 15:17 |
| nakugaka | sure some parts wont be legal but those i just keep for my self and the rest that is open i publish | 15:18 |
| kerio | ~closed | 15:18 |
| infobot | [closed] http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 15:18 |
| kerio | you don't have enough time | 15:18 |
| nakugaka | but just the interface will be nice to have on a device like the pii with a small touch schreen | 15:18 |
| merlin1991 | but if you feel like reversing interesting bits, the cssu always has space for stuff that need fixing ;) | 15:19 |
| nakugaka | if i remmember i will look into it once i got the sdk running on a dedicated machine | 15:19 |
| nakugaka | uhm has the wiki problems because its slo as a snail | 15:20 |
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| merlin1991 | thedead1440: I just checked, all 4 work with apt-get | 15:22 |
| kerio | hm, wiki is down again maybe? | 15:22 |
| merlin1991 | time to fire up ham | 15:22 |
| kerio | merlin1991: checked with ham, your community-testing mirror works | 15:23 |
| nakugaka | but kerio if you meant with that that some things shouldent be open i disagree with that i strongly believe that every thing should be open and that companys just should tell people before using the devices that if they fuckup because of a lack of knowledge its their own fault | 15:23 |
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| nakugaka | naa the wiki works but takes a very very long time to load | 15:23 |
| kerio | nakugaka: no, i mean that there's a fuckload of things that you'll have to reverse engineer | 15:23 |
| nakugaka | lol i have more than enough | 15:23 |
| nakugaka | time | 15:23 |
| nakugaka | since i dont have a job | 15:23 |
| thedead1440 | merlin1991: strange i'll try it again... the last i tried was when i set-up the thread | 15:24 |
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| nakugaka | by the way are there packaged backups of the repositorys so i can set up private repositorys at home because locally doing that is a lot faster :P | 15:25 |
| kerio | nakugaka: just reprepro | 15:25 |
| nakugaka | ?? | 15:25 |
| kerio | or apt-mirror, but afaik reprepro is better | 15:26 |
| nakugaka | srry if i dont understand that but ive never tried it before but i wanted to try it so i thougth i do it for the n900 but i dont understand that lingo yet | 15:26 |
| nakugaka | wait do you mean download it to the phone | 15:26 |
| kerio | no, you won't have enough space | 15:26 |
| nakugaka | nvm i already found what ya meant | 15:27 |
| nakugaka | and now i have another thing to use my rasberry pi for :) | 15:27 |
| kerio | seriously though, fremantle is about as unportable as it gets | 15:28 |
| kerio | especially because, given the choice, you'd just make a similar, but better, system | 15:28 |
| wirr | nakugaka: i'd be very interested to run hildon-desktop on armhf... so please share your findings on talk.maemo.org | 15:29 |
| nakugaka | well it whould bring the os completely in the hands of the community witch in my opinion whould be a lot better | 15:29 |
| Skry | nakugaka: I have hildon-desktop running on top of Arch Linux | 15:29 |
| kerio | Skry: the cordia one? | 15:31 |
| nakugaka | still looking at the list and figuring out what the main packages of the hildon gui is and then i whould need to look at them what are closed and what not so i dont know how to replay at that skry | 15:31 |
| Skry | kerio: the git one | 15:32 |
| kerio | Skry: oh, not on a computer though | 15:32 |
| kerio | afaik hildon-desktop has problems with resolutions other than 800x480 or 480x800 | 15:32 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: there is a patch in cordia for that | 15:33 |
| kerio | i know, but is it in the mainline h-d? | 15:34 |
| Skry | yup, looks fine at 1080p :) | 15:34 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: nope we never ported the patch to the cssu h-d because well, there is no need :D | 15:34 |
| merlin1991 | btw Skry are you running the cordia h-d or the cssu h-d ? | 15:35 |
| Skry | cssu hd with some patches from cordia | 15:36 |
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| nakugaka | but il leave the convo since my gf is here well contineu this later on ok cya ^^ | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | Skry: anything that can be applied to cssu hd without breaking compatability with the n900 would be nice to have | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | so that other have an easier starting point in the future | 15:41 |
| merlin1991 | *hint* merge-request *hint* | 15:42 |
| Skry | we'll see | 15:43 |
| Skry | but yeah, ofc you get everything usable too | 15:44 |
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| merlin1991 | btw Skry did you run only hildon-desktop or the whole hildon libraries aswell? | 15:45 |
| merlin1991 | s/did/do/ | 15:45 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: btw Skry do you run only hildon-desktop or the whole hildon libraries aswell? | 15:45 |
| Skry | clutter08, libmatchbox2, libhildon, libhildondesktop and the few other libs | 15:46 |
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| Skry | not tried hildon-home etc yet, I'll try to work out h-d first and put everything on github | 15:50 |
| Skry | I was planning to make it usable on "normal" distros | 15:51 |
| Skry | currently just busy with kernel and alarm stuff so, all in it's time | 15:52 |
| merlin1991 | yeah, it would be awsome if we could make the cssu h-d usable on "normal" distros | 15:52 |
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| wirr | merlin1991, wouldn't it be nice as well if we could run h-d ontop of generic armhf distro _on the n900_? | 15:54 |
| Skry | that's what i'm doing | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | wirr: that's cordia | 15:55 |
| Skry | not interested running it on desktop, though I did that too | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | (and it runs) | 15:55 |
| wirr | merlin1991, what do we loose in comparision to plain maemo? | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | well all closed apps | 15:55 |
| wirr | Skry, cool... do you have hardfp binaries I could test? | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | (which includes the dialer) | 15:56 |
| wirr | merlin1991, hmmm i thought we could you ofono for that | 15:56 |
| wirr | s/you/use | 15:56 |
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| Skry | wirr: only "beta" packages for alarm | 15:57 |
| Skry | ofono does not include gui dialer | 15:57 |
| Skry | there is sphone but it's outdated, probably others too | 15:58 |
| Skry | stuff from meego, etc | 15:58 |
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| wirr | Skry, what do you use under the hood? what kernel? sgx-drivers? | 16:01 |
| Skry | screenshot or didn't happen: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49989728/20130110052519.png | 16:01 |
| wirr | nice... will you publish a list of the patches you used? | 16:02 |
| Skry | I use Arch Linux ARM with my own custom packages (and repo), 3.5 kernel, sgx drivers from mer/nemo | 16:02 |
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| Skry | kernel source is on github, repository is public, thread is on tmo | 16:03 |
| wirr | cool, thanks | 16:03 |
| Skry | no need to build yourself, I'm putting out packaged kernel from git periodically | 16:05 |
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| vi____ | wait what | 16:13 |
| vi____ | You are running arch with 3.5 kernel AND SGX drivers? | 16:13 |
| Skry | yes | 16:14 |
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| vi____ | and the sgx drivers work with HW accelerated graphics and opengl and shit? | 16:14 |
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| vi____ | AND you are running hildon as the 'WM' | 16:15 |
| vi____ | ? | 16:15 |
| Skry | no opengl, not possible with the hardware but gles2 yes, shit (Xv etc) yes, h-d as a wm yes | 16:16 |
| vi____ | how is this even possible??? | 16:16 |
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| Skry | because I wanted? | 16:16 |
| vi____ | but... | 16:17 |
| vi____ | aaah | 16:17 |
| vi____ | does the phone work? | 16:17 |
| Skry | yes | 16:17 |
| vi____ | omg wtf | 16:17 |
| vi____ | what do you use to dial with? | 16:17 |
| Skry | dbus :) | 16:17 |
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| vi____ | incredible! | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | fuck | 16:19 |
| vi____ | Yeah! | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | just bought a 16GB class 10 uSD card | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | turns out it's a class 4 | 16:19 |
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| vi____ | teotwaki: ...you do know the whole class thing is BS right? | 16:19 |
| Skry | probably faster than that class 10 | 16:19 |
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| vi____ | To achieve these so called 'class 10' speeds they meddle with the guts of the card in such a way that reduces overall performance and life span. | 16:21 |
| teotwaki | well, tell ya what, I have a class 4 that I thought was a class 10, which gave me a 4MB/s sequential write | 16:22 |
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| vi____ | Does it say class 10 on the front? | 16:23 |
| vi____ | Where did you buy it. | 16:23 |
| vi____ | ? | 16:23 |
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| teotwaki | Well, it didn't say anywhere, as it turns out, there was a logo with a 10 and a circle around it | 16:24 |
| teotwaki | in my hurry to on time at work, I mistook it as the class 10 rating | 16:24 |
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| teotwaki | it's only once I opened it and took a look at the actual card that I saw a 4 with a circle around it printed on it. | 16:24 |
| teotwaki | local supermarket | 16:24 |
| vi____ | Sorry mate. | 16:24 |
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| teotwaki | well, only 12 bucks down the drain, it's for a 1080p sports camera. | 16:25 |
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| jacekowski | camera with uSD card? | 16:25 |
| teotwaki | I already tried with a 2GB class 4 card, the card can't keep up, I tried with a class 6 4GB card, which kinda works, but a few hickups. Recommended is 16GB class 10. | 16:26 |
| teotwaki | jacekowski: yeah, kinda like the gopro | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | i wouldn't bother with 1080p then | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | lens on that camera probably cannot resolve 108p | 16:26 |
| teotwaki | well, I wasn't planning on using the 1080p much, the 720p gives 60fps, which is kind of nicer in a number of ways. | 16:26 |
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| jacekowski | 1080p | 16:26 |
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| jacekowski | and well, i've got old class4 card and i can record 1080p just fine | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | normal class 10SD | 16:28 |
| teotwaki | it's a lot easier to divide 60fps to get to 24 fps than going from 30 fps to 24. | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | record 24fps | 16:29 |
| teotwaki | can't | 16:29 |
| teotwaki | it's fixed 30 or 60. | 16:29 |
| teotwaki | US company, methinks. | 16:29 |
| kerio | 24fps is an abomination | 16:30 |
| r00t|home | so you pay $400 for your gopro hero, and then need to save ten bucks on the sd card? | 16:30 |
| jacekowski | teotwaki: thing is, it's US standard, that 24FPS | 16:30 |
| jacekowski | teotwaki: EU would be 25 | 16:30 |
| kerio | US standard is 30fps | 16:30 |
| kerio | well, US standard is 60fps interlaced | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | i though NTSC was 23.97 or therabouts | 16:31 |
| teotwaki | aye, 30FPS is US NTSC (29.97 fps actually) | 16:31 |
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| kerio | that's probably a conversion error from the imperial frames per second | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | besides, i don't see a problem | 16:32 |
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| jacekowski | all hardware now can play 30fps and other | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | r00t|home: trying to troll eh? | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | without any problems | 16:32 |
| teotwaki | true | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | teotwaki: he's got a point | 16:32 |
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| teotwaki | well, no, I got a gift, I need an SD card, I took the wrong one, I never blamed any one else but myself. I'll just go and grab another one, no problem there. | 16:33 |
| teotwaki | so the only point he's got is about as nil as fuck. | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | EHLO teotwaki | 16:53 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: HELO | 16:54 |
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| jonwil | I never realized just how much JUNK I have on this hard disk :) | 17:00 |
| * jonwil is currently trawling through the junk to find anything important so he can back it up on DVD | 17:01 | |
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| WizardNumberNext | jonwil: DVD have short life-span, which highly depends on amount of light, which strikes it | 17:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | you would have to hide it from light to consider it as backup media | 17:03 |
| jonwil | well what is the other alternative for backups that doesn't cost $$$? | 17:03 |
| jonwil | USB thumb drive? USB hard disk? | 17:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | I backup my data on 7 HDDs | 17:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | well DVD is definitely cheap, but considering it capacity HDD is cheaper | 17:04 |
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| jonwil | DVD is much easier for offsite backup than external HDD | 17:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | thas true | 17:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | as long as host is capable of writing/reading DVD | 17:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | which my server isn't | 17:06 |
| Luke-Jr | I disagree | 17:06 |
| Luke-Jr | DVD is no easier than external HD | 17:07 |
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| jonwil | It is if you have an unused spindle of blank DVDs and no spare external HDD :) | 17:07 |
| jonwil | plus for the amount of stuff I actually need to back up, a HDD is overkil | 17:08 |
| jonwil | The guys with mission-critical stuff use tape drives but those cost $$$, as do the tapes | 17:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | especially in my case - HDDs are already there, DVD would have to be added and I have niether space for it nor spare socket for PATA (all SATAs are occupied anyway and I won't buy DVD-drive for server) | 17:09 |
| Luke-Jr | the time it takes to decide between "important" and "not so important" is more expensive than the HD :P | 17:09 |
| jonwil | not around here | 17:09 |
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| WizardNumberNext | the time for decission might be too long for data, if HDD is failing | 17:10 |
| jonwil | in this case the HDD is fine | 17:10 |
| jonwil | I am doing a backup because I should have done one ages ago and I just had a scare (broken computer, problem turned out to be power supply) so I want to back up just in case next time is more serious | 17:10 |
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| WizardNumberNext | in my case I need 6 new 3TB HDDs - I got fed up with badblocks and slow NFS | 17:11 |
| Luke-Jr | >_< | 17:11 |
| warfare | hi there. | 17:11 |
| Luke-Jr | WizardNumberNext: NFS is slow? I use sshfs :P | 17:11 |
| Luke-Jr | just because I'm lazy | 17:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | NFS is slow, because of drives | 17:11 |
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| WizardNumberNext | if it comes to NFS performance - it fills up my connection - 116MiB/s | 17:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | connection between my home-server and dekstop | 17:13 |
| Luke-Jr | I ranted that my NAS drives can't keep up with even 100 mbit sshfs, why do they advertise 1 gbit link? :P | 17:13 |
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| WizardNumberNext | 115.85MiB/s MAX | 17:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | my NAS is on server | 17:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | 115.85MiB/s is absolut MAX on 1gbps link | 17:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | you cannot get any faster! | 17:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | my NAS is limited only by 802.3ab and HDDs speed | 17:17 |
| jonwil | so yeah I already have the blank DVDs and the DVD burner and I dont have the USB HDD or any spare cash so in my case DVDs is the only option :) | 17:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | obviously overhead of FS counts as well | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Atari Files For Bankruptcy | 17:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | which in case of one 372GiB HDD is huge, because of hunderds of thounsands of files on it | 17:18 |
| RST38h | (if only to dump the Frenchies) | 17:18 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't even have a DVD reader anymore <.< | 17:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | I keep it only because I rip DVD movies -otherwise its useless | 17:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | ATARI been hlding for quite long | 17:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | its shame Amiga never made it and had to go to Commodore | 17:19 |
| khm | no | 17:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | mine n900 is suddenly quite warm | 17:23 |
| khm | the Atari that is filing for bankruptcy is Infogrames | 17:24 |
| khm | Infogrames bought the Atari name when the real Atari went bankrupt ages ago | 17:24 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: ping | 17:25 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: battery? | 17:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | very probable, because it is warm at back as well | 17:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | and I just checked out power usage and it takes over 300mA | 17:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | which is strange | 17:27 |
| kerio | no, i meant, is the battery drained | 17:27 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: are you on wifi? | 17:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | never did that before | 17:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | I wasn't | 17:27 |
| kerio | cool | 17:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | now I am | 17:28 |
| kerio | oh dammit | 17:28 |
| kerio | why did you do that | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | why? | 17:28 |
| kerio | is the power usage back to normal now? | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway battery is almost empty | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | still above 300ma | 17:28 |
| kerio | hm | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | which is too much | 17:28 |
| kerio | disconnect from wifi | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | normaly it is around 170am | 17:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | even on wifi | 17:29 |
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| kerio | 170 is ridiculous, it should be more like 15 | 17:29 |
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| WizardNumberNext | 352ma with wifi and bt off | 17:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | what? | 17:30 |
| jonwil | what do you get if you switch into airplane mode and turn of cellular radios too? | 17:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | now even modem is off and still 353 | 17:30 |
| kerio | what does powertop say? | 17:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | I just turned off every radio possible | 17:31 |
| kerio | try modprobe -r wl12xx | 17:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | do not have powertop | 17:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have applet, which swithces it off and on | 17:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | should do same trick | 17:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | 304 after removing wl12xx | 17:33 |
| WizardNumberNext | in exactly your way - just to be sure I got what you expect | 17:33 |
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| WizardNumberNext | something have drained my battery in just 2 hours 30-40 minutes - almost nothing left | 17:36 |
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| StucKman | I know this might be off-topic here, but which would be a channel to ask questions about the nokia n9? | 17:36 |
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| WizardNumberNext | #hartman | 17:36 |
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| StucKman | WizardNumberNext: I find that the GPS drains a lot | 17:36 |
| StucKman | WizardNumberNext: tx | 17:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is not GPS for sure | 17:36 |
| StucKman | WizardNumberNext: you mean #harmattan? | 17:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would get icon for it, if it would on | 17:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes I did | 17:37 |
| StucKman | WizardNumberNext: does top/htop show any runaway app? | 17:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | no, checked it just before reboot | 17:38 |
| merlin1991 | Skry: which gtk version, 3 or 2? | 17:39 |
| StucKman | I have another question, n900 related | 17:39 |
| StucKman | are the repos really offline? | 17:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | they very offline | 17:40 |
| StucKman | :( | 17:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~mirror | 17:40 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 17:40 |
| StucKman | no alternatives? | 17:40 |
| StucKman | ah, cool | 17:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | but here yoiu have mirrors ^^ | 17:40 |
| Skry | merlin1991: 2 | 17:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | I used ~mirrors | 17:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~mirrors | 17:41 |
| infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 17:41 |
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| WizardNumberNext | still same one | 17:42 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I used the other one, which is not in this post | 17:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | merlin doesn't work for me | 17:42 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: after reboot, with UMTS/HSPA with internet on it and IM accounts, with CPU on 805MHz - 39mA | 17:44 |
| kerio | >overclocking | 17:44 |
| kerio | >data | 17:44 |
| kerio | does the IM include skype? | 17:44 |
| kerio | wait, >data over UMTS | 17:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | with overclocking, data, IM and yes - skype as well - just 39mA | 17:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, data over umts at the moment | 17:44 |
| kerio | 40mA is still ridiculous | 17:45 |
| kerio | unless it's your only computer | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: you tested my mirror in ham right? | 17:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | its while display is off | 17:45 |
| kerio | merlin1991: that's what i said | 17:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | merlin1991: I tested it in ham and apt | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | WizardNumberNext: did it work with apt? | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | (because it does for me) | 17:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | neither | 17:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | hash sums wrong | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | ah well time to test on device then, scratchbox apt didn't complain (probably checked only the md5 though, I remember a bug about that) | 17:46 |
| kerio | can you pastebin the whole output of `apt-get update`? | 17:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | doesn't matter, if I went through wi-fi with proxy or without or even hspa | 17:46 |
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| WizardNumberNext | 29.8mA measured with bq27200 | 17:47 |
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| kerio | WizardNumberNext: i believe you, but stop doing that much stuff | 17:48 |
| kerio | or your battery life will suck | 17:48 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: I have 5 batteries in total - why should I care | 17:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | all are full usually | 17:48 |
| kerio | i want 5 batteries too ._. | 17:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | 2GBP each on ebay | 17:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | just because I wanted original | 17:49 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I had 6, original-original and 5 from ebay | 17:50 |
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| WizardNumberNext | but one got broken and it is slightly to hard to solder it and it is not worth its time, if battery is worth 2GBP. I earn 12.5GBP per hour, was playing with this battery for 2 hours and didn't fix it, so I lost 25GBP worth of time on it, istead of spending 2GBP for new one | 17:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | 26mA on wifi | 17:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | nice! | 17:52 |
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| merlin1991 | WizardNumberNext: yep seems like some hashsum is indeed wrong | 18:01 |
| * merlin1991 investigates | 18:01 | |
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| merlin1991 | hm funky, there is a checksum for binary-all but I don't even have that o_O | 18:04 |
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| merlin1991 | that release file is full on foobar | 18:05 |
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| merlin1991 | funnily that sb apt does not complain | 18:07 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: chem|st: The email notifications from TMO seem to be coming from a different address now. webmaster@talk.maemo.org rather than (e.g.) 'harmattan@talk.maemo.org' | 18:08 |
| kerio | merlin1991: really? can you pastebin the error message? | 18:08 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: the reprepro mirror is fine because the Release file is generated | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | reprepro mirror aka minimal mirror | 18:08 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i'm talking about your community-testing mirror | 18:09 |
| kerio | is that one a reprepro one? | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | nope, I'm talking abotu extras-devel :D | 18:09 |
| kerio | why would one use the full-blown extras-devel mirror? | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: I still don't see any mails, so... we're working on it | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | about nobody knows the non full-blown one ;) | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: actually chem|stdoes | 18:10 |
| kerio | merlin1991: but it has a nice URL and everything | 18:10 |
| kerio | btw, change the extras-devel-light .install | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: and it never got published | 18:10 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: install file is fixed | 18:12 |
| kerio | :D | 18:12 |
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| merlin1991 | hm funnily after apt-get updating once it did take the extras-devel mirror anyways | 18:13 |
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| merlin1991 | ~mirror | 18:24 |
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| infobot | hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 18:24 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: is the light repo taken from your mirror, or is it taken from repository.maemo.org again? | 18:27 |
| merlin1991 | it is taken from my mirror | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | but all the checksums are redone | 18:28 |
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| eyescream | merlin1991: I didn't follow all of the conversation but in case it's relevant: I'm getting a hash sum mismatch on your extras repo. extras-devel works fine, though. | 18:44 |
| kerio | eyescream: extras-devel is a superset of extras | 18:46 |
| eyescream | kerio: Meaning that only one can be active at one time? | 18:48 |
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| kerio | only one *should* be active at one time | 18:48 |
| kerio | it's not harmful to keep both enabled, it's just useless | 18:48 |
| kerio | so if you use extras-devel all the time, you might as well remove extras | 18:48 |
| eyescream | I see, thanks. Will just go for extras-devel, then. Stable enough from what I've read. | 18:49 |
| kerio | merlin1991: fix your extras repo too! | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: latest embedlite plays big buck bunny video @ ~14 fps on n900, but it plays :). scrolling fps vary from 25-50, still didn't manage to find why. BTW sorry for the little mess i've created on github with my last commit, will be more careful in future :) | 18:50 |
| kerio | eyescream: btw, if you're fine with being up to a day behind, use extras-devel-light | 18:50 |
| kerio | http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install | 18:50 |
| eyescream | kerio: What's the difference? | 18:50 |
| kerio | it doesn't have all the versions of every package, only the latest | 18:51 |
| kerio | (which is what apt will end up installing) | 18:51 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: did you change RGB32 to RGB16? it should be in latest source | 18:51 |
| eyescream | Ah, I see. | 18:51 |
| kerio | and uses pdiffs, so each repo update will take seconds | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | yep, i pulled the latest | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: ^^^ | 18:51 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: ok, I see | 18:51 |
| eyescream | That sounds good. | 18:51 |
| kerio | and a handful of kB instead of the whole 9MB that the official extras-devel repo takes for every refresh | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: and finished your work on X11InitThreads | 18:52 |
| eyescream | Just got my N900, so pretty new to this. Picked a weird time. :) | 18:52 |
| kerio | note: i'm not sure if HAM (hildon application manager) supports pdiffs correctly | 18:52 |
| kerio | but it'll have to wait until there's a change in the repo, right now the autobuilder is down | 18:52 |
| kerio | and yes, you picked a weird time | 18:53 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: any idea why Q_WS_MAEMO5 is not defined? I saw you've used #if defined __arm__ in qml test | 18:53 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: scrolling may vary due to content update notifications... I guess requesting content to repaint during kinetic scroll cause CPU usage and generic slowdown | 18:53 |
| eyescream | I'm nothing if not adaptable. So no problem. :P | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: yeah, could be. But in reality it is smooth and useful | 18:54 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: how many fps do you get on just moving page with finger up/down? | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | >50 | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | on talk.maemo.org is that | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | device CPU@805 | 18:54 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: ok, I see, I guess something need to be checked around pixman perf | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: I guess mozilla is using system pixman. ot not? | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | *or | 18:55 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: no by default it builds local pixman | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | ooh. :( | 18:55 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: which is supposed to be latest upstream | 18:55 |
| eyescream | kerio: If you don't mind to answer this, would you recommand CSSU stable or testing? Or rather: Is testing stable enough to be used? | 18:55 |
| * RST38h moos | 18:55 | |
| RST38h | EHLO romaxa | 18:55 |
| freemangordon | any chance to tel it to use the system one? as fremantle one is heavily neon optimized | 18:56 |
| RST38h | How are browsers doing nowadays? =) | 18:56 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: just redid the test with only moving page up-down, device not overclocked, fps varies between 30 and 40 | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | I'd call that usable | 18:58 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: still slow... it should be around 50ish I guess | 19:01 |
| romaxa | RST38h: not very good... a lot of work need to be done | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: hmm, I saw fps increases if I use main.qml instead of main_meego.qml, lemme recheck | 19:02 |
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| kerio | eyescream: think debian stable and debian testing | 19:03 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: yep, with using main.qml fps stays >40 . weird :) | 19:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: with same depncy problems as debian testing? | 19:05 |
| eyescream | kerio: Thanks, though I'd rather not think debian at all. :P | 19:05 |
| kerio | eyescream: fremantle is loosely based on debian etch, iirc | 19:05 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: with the same what? | 19:05 |
| kerio | eyescream: cssu stable is meant to be indistinguishable from stock pr1.3 | 19:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | eyescream: kerio means it is comparable to debian stable/testing ideology | 19:06 |
| kerio | it's basically a bugfix release | 19:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | dependency problem | 19:06 |
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| kerio | i'm not aware of any dependency problem in debian testing | 19:06 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: chem|st: Thanks | 19:06 |
| eyescream | kerio: I'm not talking about the software, more about the general philosophy of the project, so no problem there. | 19:07 |
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| WizardNumberNext | leave it be for month and if you need to iunstall anything else you have to reinstall whole debian | 19:07 |
| eyescream | I guess I'll just read up on the differences and then see whether there's anything worthwhile to me in testing. | 19:07 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: why do you expect to be able to install new versions with old libraries? | 19:07 |
| kerio | eyescream: probably loads, if you're a "power" user | 19:07 |
| eyescream | kerio: That's good to know. Reading up on it on the wiki now. | 19:09 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: and with main_meego.qml - is it slower or faster? | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: slower | 19:09 |
| kerio | there's also an optional thing where you install half of the packages of the system from the repo of a weird bulgarian dude with a fetish for modern compilers | 19:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: in stable you can add anything anytime, testing you HAVE to keep up to date and you should do at least two upgrades a week, otherwise you end up with dependency problems and unable to add and/or upgrade soft | 19:09 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: main_meego.qml it is mainly for Meego | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: BTW all this is with SW rendering | 19:09 |
| kerio | and it makes the whole system a lot faster | 19:09 |
| kerio | freemangordon: hi! | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: yeah, that is why i tested main.qml | 19:10 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: main.qml intended to be used on desktop Qt build | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hi | 19:10 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: probably fremantle has more optimized container but I'm not sure | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: the point is that it is used if __arm__ is defined ;) | 19:10 |
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| eyescream | kerio: I assume you are referring to the CSSU-thumb thing I've been reading about? Is that really worth it? | 19:11 |
| RST38h | romaxa: same shit here | 19:11 |
| kerio | yeah, it's kinda great | 19:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: I am trying to compile cross-compiler (amd64-arm) gcc 4.7.2, but no real effects yet - now I would try debian way and see | 19:12 |
| eyescream | I assume that's based on testing? | 19:12 |
| kerio | it does require a different kernel though, so you need to be a little more wary of potential problems regarding that | 19:12 |
| kerio | yeah, it closely follows cssu-testing | 19:12 |
| eyescream | Can I switch from one to the other without reflashing? In case I decide to try out the normal version first. | 19:13 |
| kerio | you can go cssu-testing -> cssu-thumb | 19:13 |
| eyescream | Great. | 19:13 |
| kerio | and, in theory, you can also go cssu-stable -> cssu-testing, but that's less tested | 19:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: what about going cssu-stable -> cssu-testing? | 19:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | overlap | 19:13 |
| kerio | going backwards is a bit harder, because apt isn't keen on downgrading | 19:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, you have to ask him nicely | 19:14 |
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| kerio | or you have to shove a priority 1001 down his throat | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | oh, shit, it is Q_WS_MAEMO_5 not Q_WS_MAEMO5 :D | 19:15 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: that is default, ideally you can pass qml file in cmdline... but if you have reasonable working define that is also ok | 19:16 |
| eyescream | kerio: Seeing as I'm fairly new at this, what would I have to look out for that might break the system when running the thumb version (and thus the custom kernel)? | 19:16 |
| kerio | running a binary with the thumb2 ISA requires a certain patch in the kernel you're running | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: i am testing it by passing qml file in cmdline. will use Q_WS_MAEMO_5 | 19:17 |
| kerio | potential pitfalls can happen if you restore an old backupmenu backup | 19:17 |
| eyescream | kerio: Thanks again. I guess I'll go for the standard CSSU testing now and while playing around, I'll read up on things a bit more and then switch to CSSU-thumb to try that out. | 19:18 |
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| kerio | on the other hand, if you install cssu-thumb immediately, and then you only take backups with the correct modules... | 19:19 |
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| eyescream | All I've done so far is flash the phone to restore it and add the temp repos. So nothing to back up, really. | 19:20 |
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| kerio | btw, uninstall "cherry" immediately | 19:22 |
| kerio | it's the MyNokia premium sms subscription bullshit | 19:22 |
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| eyescream | Yeah, been reading this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=bcad4cd2389b67dd0911decdebb4b503&t=82641&highlight=uninstall+cherry | 19:25 |
| eyescream | Will have to get rid of all of those that are safe to remove. | 19:25 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: does embedlite load plugins? as it seems i am unable to enable flashplayer | 19:39 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: ideally it should, but I never tested that case, due to only one pluign was useful in that case and now it is no very actual anymore... | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | romaxa: well, why not actual, ads don't require v11 :D. on a serious note, I added user_pref("plugins.disabled", false); in /home/user/.mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js, with no success. BTW there is a bug in UI(I guess), one can't change about:config settings | 20:06 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: you need to put plugin in mozilla system plugins folder, or put into /home/user/.mozilla/plugins | 20:09 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: after that run test embed with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=Plugins:5 | 20:10 |
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| freemangordon | it is in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins ofc, which is a link to /usr/lib/browser/plugins. ok, will do | 20:10 |
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| freemangordon | romaxa: nothing changed with export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=Plugins:5. And nothing logged | 20:13 |
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| freemangordon | however, it is not that important by now | 20:13 |
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| romaxa | freemangordon: also I guess it should probably be needed to enable some of maemo platform defines in mozilla/dom/plugins .. | 20:19 |
| romaxa | freemangordon: in order to get it work | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | aah, i see | 20:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | so TMO mail is back | 20:22 |
| Sc0rpius | but no repos/builder | 20:22 |
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| Sc0rpius | but we're seeing progress :) | 20:22 |
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| Sc0rpius | what saddens me is that there are only 40.000 N900s alive out there. | 20:25 |
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| kerio | 40k is a lot | 20:27 |
| Sc0rpius | not a lot compared of the billion iPhones (in all their versions) that there are out there | 20:27 |
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| Sc0rpius | ok, not a billion, but 400 millions confirmed by September 2012. | 20:29 |
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| warfare | hi everyone. I got an n900 today. How do I install the CSSU with repository.maemo.org being down? Any hints for manual install? | 20:32 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ~mirrors | 20:41 |
| infobot | from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 20:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | warfare: ^^ use mirror | 20:41 |
| warfare | WizardNumberNext: I already have the mirror configured, I'm just missing the magical packet name to install ;) | 20:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | update now | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | warfare: read the wiki page http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU | 20:42 |
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| freemangordon | warfare: depending on which flavor you want to install, it is either http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install or http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/community-testing-fremantle.install | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | change it accordingly | 20:44 |
| warfare | freemangordon: repository.maemo.org is not reachable - is installing mp-fremantle-community-pr sufficient? | 20:45 |
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| freemangordon | warfare: no | 20:57 |
| freemangordon | warfare: you need community-ssu-enabler (or something). though I am not sure if it is enough | 21:00 |
| kerio | it should be | 21:01 |
| warfare | freemangordon, kerio: thanks, this does the trick. | 21:04 |
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| UberNeo | seems like all the QML/QT applications are failing to start on my N900 | 23:31 |
| UberNeo | getting below error from syslog | 23:31 |
| UberNeo | Jan 21 21:30:11 Nokia-N900 qmltube[1591]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:30:12 Nokia-N900 qmltube[1591]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed | 23:31 |
| UberNeo | any suggestions?? | 23:33 |
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| UberNeo | same with Twimgo | 23:34 |
| UberNeo | Jan 21 21:34:02 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Jan 21 21:34:03 Nokia-N900 TwimGo[1594]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed | 23:34 |
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| Sc0rpius | update to CSSU | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | UberNeo: do you have qt and/or hildon-desktop from cssu-devel? | 23:41 |
| UberNeo | merlin1991: how to check that | 23:42 |
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| kerio | UberNeo: do you know what cssu-devel is? | 23:42 |
| kerio | or have you ever read that particular name somewhere | 23:43 |
| UberNeo | kerio: not sure though | 23:43 |
| UberNeo | everywhere .. getting the suggestion to do .. apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr | 23:44 |
| UberNeo | not sure whats this package does mp-fremantle-community-pr | 23:45 |
| Sc0rpius | that's a nice suggestion. | 23:45 |
| kerio | no, you don't do that | 23:45 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: that's not a nice suggestion | 23:45 |
| kerio | UberNeo: where have you read that? | 23:45 |
| Sc0rpius | why? it works | 23:46 |
| Sc0rpius | I installed the first several CSSU packages like that | 23:46 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: except that it fucks up *badly* with autoremove | 23:46 |
| kerio | community-ssu-enabler marks the packages that would be installed by the nokia metapackage as manually installed for a purpose | 23:46 |
| kerio | and also sets up the HAM domain information for the repository | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | I wonder if it's possible to install the whole CSSU without needing the repository.maemo.org | 23:47 |
| kerio | of course | 23:47 |
| kerio | there are mirrors | 23:47 |
| merlin1991 | Sc0rpius: yep, throw in a mirror and just do it :D | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | I updated to CSSU-thumb like 2 days ago | 23:47 |
| Sc0rpius | now I'm not sure if I like it :( | 23:48 |
| kerio | note that HAM might complain about the repo not being *the* repo | 23:48 |
| UberNeo | doee updating to CSSU will solve my errors of GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed . for QT/QML based application | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: hmm? | 23:50 |
| merlin1991 | this repo mess is a mess | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: care to explain what problem you have with cssu-thumb(if any) | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | not a problem, but I feel the phone slower | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | microb renders way faster, yes | 23:53 |
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| Sc0rpius | but the rest of the applications feel slower to me, but like I said, I'm not sure | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: check your transitions.ini | 23:53 |
| UberNeo | so it means I should not enable CSSU | 23:54 |
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| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: BTW I would really appreciate if you provide some quantative feedback | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | (if possible) | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: as all the benchmarks I did so far either give > 20-50% speedup (openssl) or 1-2% speedup | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | nothing i've tested was slower when thumb-compiled, but it is more than possible that I am missing something | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | that is why i'd appreciate to be proven wrong :) | 23:58 |
| Sc0rpius | ok | 23:58 |
| kerio | Sc0rpius: maybe applications feel slower compared to the thumby programs? | 23:58 |
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