IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-01-14

brknlol with what?00:00
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DocScrutinizer05as verbose as possible I'd think00:00
RzRbrkn, I wish I could have direct links urls too00:00
brknyou want the urls?00:00
brknfor what?00:01
RzRto compute hashes00:01
RzRnot that i dont trust you00:01
brknoh i see. well that can be done00:01
brkngive me a few secs00:01
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brkni don't trust me either00:01
brknmakes 2 already00:01
brknbesides if n9 images were compromised as far as i understood - they would flash to open mode? correct me if i am wrong00:02
DocScrutinizer05I guess they wouldn't flash at all00:03
DocScrutinizer05not sure00:03
brknoh they will according to thedead144000:03
RzRso then I want them just because it is possible00:03
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brknyou want to download all firmwares?00:04
RzRnot all00:04
DocScrutinizer05hafe fun!00:04
DocScrutinizer05have even00:04
brknoh yes, prepare for some days00:04
brknonly n900 + n9 latest firmwares took 3 days00:04
brknon 100mbit00:04
brknbut suit yourself00:04
RzRusing navifirm+ ?00:05
brkneven wget with xargs for 10 concurrent dls is slow00:05
brkncustom bash script00:05
brkncreating folders as well to put those files in00:05
brknnavicrap is lame00:05
RzRit is00:05
brknbesides you'd need to download manually every single firmware00:05
RzRbut runs on wine00:05
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brknand yet still crap under wine stays crap00:06
brknok copying the sources from laptop, you'll get them as soon as finished00:07
RzRan other mirror00:08
DocScrutinizer05that's not a mirror I guess00:08
RzRwell I wont start mine00:09
DocScrutinizer05it seems to contain a mirror of some stuff00:09
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RzRat least00:09
brknRzR: all covered00:10
brknfor firmwares see
brknyou have the list00:10
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brkndon#t post duplicates everyt ime00:10
brknevery time00:10
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RzRbrkn, i am dl all srcs on obs , it's fairly slow00:12
RzRwill keep you up to date00:12
brkni am taring the sources for nokia firmwares00:12
RzRbtw how can I upload it to yo00:13
RzRthere are no legal issue since it's all floss00:13
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brknthose are all sources00:14
brkneach folder contains one file with all links for that specific version00:14
brknso if you still want everything loop over the files and use wget with xargs for concurrent downloads or cul00:15
brknyou can sftp upload00:15
brknRzR for see
RzRwhat about n8x0 and n950 ?00:20
brknboy you are killing me :D00:21
RzRthose are into tablet-dev right ?00:22
brknN800, N810, N810 wimax >
RzRso no direct links ?00:23
brkndirect links? you need to authenticate with imei / product id @ nokia in order to download00:23
RzRyes I know00:23
RzRno that hard to find :)00:23
brknso what's the problem?00:24
RzRI was thinking about something more generic00:24
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brknsorry, explain generic00:25
RzRI can but I'll have to kill yo00:26
RzRwhich I already did00:26
RzR<brkn> boy you are killing me :D00:26
brknwell if you don't mind go on00:27
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DocScrutinizer05FYI: first step of tmo migration accomplished, new server up and operational on its IP which is not yet linked to URL06:15
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: GeneralAntilles:
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^ sticky?07:06
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DocScrutinizer05(tmo) if some of you want to test stuff like register, login, search, etc: - tests appreciated. Please DO NOT use this server for posting any useful stuff yet, we will nuke the whole database again on Wednesday!07:41
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer05, It looks fully functional from where I am (east coast USA).07:44
DocScrutinizer05i'm missing "tnaks" button on reggie's test post07:45
DocScrutinizer05"thanks" even07:45
Ken-YoungI get "Thanks" buttons.07:46
DocScrutinizer05even on /showthread.php?p=1314431 ?07:46
DocScrutinizer05(btw I don't get thanks buttons ever on maemo theme, not even on "old2 tmo)07:47
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer05, How specifically can I call up that post?07:48
DocScrutinizer05it's on front bage under "general"07:48
DocScrutinizer05newest post07:49
DocScrutinizer05or you append /showthread.php?p=1314431 to the IP07:49
DocScrutinizer05err "off topic" not "general"07:49
DocScrutinizer05>>Last post: Test post from new server by joerg_rw @ Today 05:11<<07:50
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer05,  I get a "Thanks!" button on Regie's post on email integration, if that's the one you mean.07:51
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DocScrutinizer05I guess "off topic" is not worthy :-P08:09
DocScrutinizer05so no thanks button08:09
DocScrutinizer05on a sidenote: the cookis from that server *might* eventually conflict with those from old one08:11
DocScrutinizer05Ken-Young: thanks for help :-)08:11
Ken-YoungIt was the only useful thing I did all weekend.08:12
DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, at your TZ it's still weekend :-D08:13
Ken-YoungJust barely.08:13
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DocScrutinizer05here it's scary early monday morning08:13
Ken-YoungActually, it's 1:13 AM Monday here too, so I guess my weekend was a complete waste.08:14
DocScrutinizer05bwahahaha we both got redirected to :-P08:14
DocScrutinizer05or not08:15
Ken-YoungRats!   That's embarrassing.08:16
Ken-YoungIt looks like only the new thread went there.  My reply messages, posted earlier, seem to have gone to the new server.08:16
DocScrutinizer05I guess we'd need the good ole etc/hosts hack08:17
DocScrutinizer05anyway I'll try to delete my post08:17
Ken-YoungNope, I'm wrong about that.08:17
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Ken-YoungCan I delete the thread?08:19
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DocScrutinizer05I guess you can delete the thread as well, implicitly with deleting first post when it's the only one08:20
Ken-YoungHow does one delete a post - I don't see a button for that.08:21
Ken-YoungSOrr, I see it now under edit.08:21
DocScrutinizer05dang, is it me or is that server slow like geotectonics08:21
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DocScrutinizer05seems like some stuff takes ~60s to load08:25
DocScrutinizer05Ken-Young: here you are:
DocScrutinizer05dang, that wasn't smart08:26
Ken-YoungI get a "Quote & Reply" button, but no others.08:26
Ken-YoungOh - THat was just because I wasn't logged in.08:27
Ken-YoungLogged in, I get all three of the normal buttons on your new post.08:28
Ken-YoungI was able to thank that post.08:28
DocScrutinizer05thanks for thanks ;-)08:30
DocScrutinizer05hi unifly08:30
uniflyhi DocScrutinizer0508:30
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uniflyone ask, which package is missing if I have an error like this: "arm-linux-gcc: not found" ?08:32
DocScrutinizer05probably more than you can install on your N90008:32
uniflyi want compile a module for kernel08:32
DocScrutinizer05on device?08:33
DocScrutinizer05that's not exactly recommended08:33
uniflyin scratchbox found08:33
uniflyi make te module and found08:33
DocScrutinizer05you should build in scratchbox, on your PC08:34
uniflybut when i install this on device the module not found very well and i want to compile in device08:34
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uniflyi want to compile module in device08:35
DocScrutinizer05that's not exactly recommended08:35
uniflycan i port the module from scratchbot to device?08:36
DocScrutinizer05you'll need complete toolchain and kernel sources08:36
uniflyyes understand08:36
DocScrutinizer05sure, that's what scratchbox is meade for08:36
DocScrutinizer05you switch target to "armel" and compile your module, then move it to device08:37
uniflyi move the folder in device08:37
uniflyand do make install?08:37
DocScrutinizer05it's still tricky to get right the modversion / vermagic or what its called08:37
DocScrutinizer05you probably will have to copy the mu08:38
DocScrutinizer05module.ko file to the modules/ dir, then run depmod -a08:38
uniflyit's found08:39
uniflybut have an error in dmesg08:39
uniflywhen i plug the usb08:39
DocScrutinizer05that's probably since your kernel version isn't in line with the one in module08:39
uniflya867: unknown symbol dvb_usb_device_init08:40
uniflyin scratchbox there isn't08:40
DocScrutinizer05you need the kernel sources of the kernel you're running, and you need to have correct vermagic08:40
uniflyi see this08:40
uniflythanks a lot08:41
DocScrutinizer05if you need better help (i'm a bit dusty with that stuff) ask pali or freemangordon in here08:41
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uniflyit's very usefull for me08:42
uniflynow i see the problem08:42
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: are you sure you're going to nuke the temporary tmo?09:15
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mlwaneHello folks09:38
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes09:46
DocScrutinizer05why? Are you pondering to use it as tempdir?09:47
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keriono, it's just that it would be difficult to justify my latest post09:47
DocScrutinizer05delete it, fool09:48
kerioit's a really good thread imo09:48
DocScrutinizer05btw beware, I got redirected to "real" tmo without even noticing09:48
kerioi checked, there were 0 people viewing09:48
DocScrutinizer05so better doublecheck where you're posting09:49
kerioso either i was on the replacement, or the tmo community has become *really* small09:49
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fastlane`what r you guys doing to tmo :|09:52
keriobest thread evah09:52
kerio(put the new ip in your /etc/hosts)09:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'd love a "no, thanks" button09:54
fastlane`gud idea!09:54
keriofor crappatch and the like09:54
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* oh yeah, but that's trollfood sweet like candy09:57
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DocScrutinizer05I thought about more sophisticated stuff, like a "bank account" that has post-points you need to spend for posting stuff. Posts are becoming more expensive the more users complain about it or put it on ignore, and you gain points for posts that got thanked, or for time-of-membership09:59
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keriolet's just make up a cryptographically-secure currency called postcoin10:01
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DocScrutinizer05meh, what's wrong with a paypal-alike account?10:03
kerionot decentralized enough!10:03
DocScrutinizer05except for nobody wanting to transfer postcoins to another user/account10:03
DocScrutinizer05I actually pondered to make tmo accounts cost 5 bucks per month10:04
DocScrutinizer05but that would probably cause a shitstorm that kills the planet10:05
* kerio wouldn't get an account10:05
DocScrutinizer05hah, me neither10:05
kerioit's not that i'm opposed to paying for stuff like that10:05
kerioit's just that i don't think tmo is worth 5 bucks for a lifetime subscription, let alone a month10:06
DocScrutinizer05not for non-trolls10:06
kerioi'd pay the shit out of irc10:06
keriohypothetically, of course10:06
DocScrutinizer05lemme put it this way: if I'd *earn* a dime for each "thanks" I'd maybe even post more often ;-)10:07
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kerioyou can, with the new postcoin system!10:08
kerioa satoshi for each thanks would be fine i suppose10:08
kerioa real-world value of a frac10:08
kerio*fraction of a cent10:09
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kerio(a satoshi is a millionth of a btc)10:09
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DocScrutinizer05if somebody feels bored, you could check `host <URL-of*>` from this list and see if some are already active.11:03
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DocScrutinizer05the URLs, not the IP!11:04
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: test& are on old IPs still11:11
DocScrutinizer05and a few more11:11
thedead1440bugs too11:11
DocScrutinizer05but several are already updated11:11
DocScrutinizer05wiki e.g.11:11
thedead1440garage, repo11:12
DocScrutinizer05repo not11:13
DocScrutinizer05repo is with akamain still11:13 is on akamai?11:13   18      IN      CNAME
thedead1440i meant garage, repo to the list that are not updated yet :D11:14 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net11:14
wirryep, that's what i get too... garage is on (Logica Finland)11:15
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DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] is back to normal operation for everybody11:16
infobotcp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "" >> /etc/hosts;
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, jrtools is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay11:17
wirrDocScrutinizer05, but with wiki relying on garage accounts still no possibility to create new accounts?11:21
DocScrutinizer05that's obscure to me11:22
DocScrutinizer05I never wrapped my head around that SSO and how much of it got implemented11:22
wirrhmm... i think garage cannot send confirmation emails cause of reverse lookups11:22
DocScrutinizer05might as well be local signon that's just as borked as it ever was (well since months)11:23
DocScrutinizer05yep, I think so11:23
wirrany link for local acct registration?11:23
DocScrutinizer05there's a register button upper right, no?11:23
vi____Is the wiki back?11:24
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DocScrutinizer05wirr: indeed, nah11:26
DocScrutinizer05vi____: yep11:26
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vi____Some bastards stole my motorcycle.11:30
vi____I was gutted.11:30
vi____Then the police found it and I was happy.11:30
vi____Then it turns out I had to pay a 'recovery' fee.11:30
vi____A recovery fee of £17011:31
vi____Yes, my motorcycle was stolen, then I had to pay the police £170 to get it back.11:31
Hurrianpolice charging a recovery fee?11:31
Hurrianthat sounds… unscrupulous.11:31
vi____Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike.11:32
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vi____Follow the money as they say.11:32
vi____I still can barely believe it.11:32
vi____It is the same fee they charge people who illegally park and have their cars towed.11:32
vi____F* the uk.11:33
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vi____Can someone explain this?11:43
vi____*VOut = calibrated_output_voltage;11:43
vi____why is there a * before the variable name?11:43
jaskaVOut is a pointer, the * dereferences the pointer11:46
jaskaso it writes calibrated_output_voltage to the memory location pointed by VOut11:46
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DocScrutinizer05(<vi____> Yes, I was wondering who stole my bike.) LOL!11:50
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: OTOH when they tow away your car from a no-parking zone, you'd declare it as stolen...11:51
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vi____Well that is up for discussion.11:54
DocScrutinizer05vi____: I guess once they catch the thief, you can try to get those 170 bucks back from him11:55
vi____However someone who reports their vehicle as stolen BEFORE it is recovered.11:55
vi____They will never catch him, they did not even take a statement.11:55
vi____They do not give a shit.11:55
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DocScrutinizer05now THATS nasty11:56
vi____And they wonder why everyone hates them?11:56
XATRIXHi guys, i'm curious about wifi BleedingEdge drivers , while i pess activate, it tells me 'can't load kernel module'11:56
vi____XATRIX: garbage in==garbage out.11:57
XATRIXUf ?11:57
XATRIXAs long as i know, it has some extra features against default one11:57
vi____You have barely asked 0.3 of a question.11:57
vi____'press load'?11:57
vi____It is a kernel module.11:58
vi____Assuming you are not modprob'ing them, what are you actually asking about?11:58
wirrhas anyone had success running 3d-accelerated X ontop of debian armhf omap kernel?11:59
vi____Not possible, the '3d' drivers are closed and ONLY work with the stock kernel version.12:00
vi____...and the nemo/mer kernel.12:00
wirrvi____, odd... mer kernel is 2.6.30-something i thought. did they get the source under nda?12:01
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XATRIXvi____: actually i have wifi-applet on my sliding panel12:02
wirrvi____: can I run Debian armhf ontop of the stock kernel? probably it's armel, no?12:02
XATRIXAnd there's wifi switcher, with enable/disable button,  + bleedinedge12:02
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Hurrianwirr: Mer/Nemo kernel is 2.6.37, developed originally by Nokia with the help of the community for MeeGo CE12:12
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Ex-OpesaHi. is down. When will it be up again?12:15
inzworks for me12:17
wirrEx-Opesa, try for repository.maemo.org12:17
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you need the matching driver kernel module for your kernel. I.E. you probably should get KP50 and
Ex-Opesawirr, thank you very much!12:18
infobotinterim-dns is, like, " and"12:19
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Sorry but what is KP50 ?12:19
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Ex-OpesaDocScrutinizer05: Thank you for pointing me to that hosts file.12:37
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tadzik"We thank you for indicating on our website that Jolla agrees to support a Sailfish on N900 project." That sounds good13:53
souravthanks appreciated :P13:54
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engblomExcept for Opera and CuteTube, there has not been any newer versions for my n900 for a long time. What way does those keeping their n900 go? Staying with old software? Upgrading to SSU? Installing alternative OS?13:59
cehtehinstall more software, then you see more updates :)14:01
cehteh(slightly more only) .. consider it as matured finished device :P14:01
engblomDo you have any extra repository to recommend?14:01
cehtehthe normal (developer-) set  extras, extras-testing, devel, tools .. whatever14:02
cehtehSSU+power kernel14:02
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cehtehworks for me at least14:03
cehtehi dont expect that much new sofware will emerge in future14:03
cehtehand i dont know which alternative os'es are worthwile (feature complete, you can use phone and camera and so on)14:04
engblomA bit what I expected as an answer...14:04
cehtehand the device is somewhat memory constrained, i doubt any newer OS will make usability more fluent14:05
cehtehmaemo works well for me meanwhile14:05
engblomAt least opera gives a bit of browsing performance (compared with the default browser)14:07
jon_yisn't opera a trojan? :)14:07
jon_yit phones home proxy14:08
jacekowskionly if you enable turbo14:08
DocScrutinizer05try CSSU-thumb browser14:09
cehtehwhere is that?14:10
jon_yin cssu-thumb14:11
jon_yyou'll need a custom kernel to go along with it14:11
jon_yare you a badass enough speed demon to do it? :)14:12
cehtehi dont want to reflash :)14:12
* thedead1440 never realized that microb on thumb was different than stock microb :o14:12
jon_ycehteh: no reflash needed14:12
jon_yjust flash the kernel14:12
cehtehi mean when it breaks :)14:12
jon_yit didn't break for me14:13
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: err how exactly?14:13
thedead1440microb-engine                                       1:20100401-1.9.2-5.2+0m5+0cssu0+thumb014:13
cehtehnormal microb works well enough for me, could be better but its ok14:13
jon_ycehteh: just flash back the stock kernel if you haven't installed cssu14:13
thedead1440i didn't know it was compiled for thumb DocScrutinizer0514:13
cehtehjon_y: i need the power kernel14:13
jon_ythat's right14:13
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: it is, and it seems to make a difference14:14
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: yup just realized it; difference or not unsure as i've never used stock microb :D only thumb here since i got my n90014:14
jon_yhow much does the n900 sell these days?14:16
thedead1440i got mine used; for S$200 in August last year14:16
jon_y300 Euros?14:16
jon_y200 USD?14:17
thedead1440nah thats 122EUR14:17
jon_yhow did you get yours?14:17
thedead1440someone was selling it to a friend's mobile-shop so i bought it instead14:18
jon_ycause I wouldn't be going to where you are to buy it :)14:18
jon_yor at least can't14:19
thedead1440very good condition too14:19
jon_ymy n900 screen just died14:19
thedead1440and to top it the seller knew how to use it so had really maintained it well14:19
DocScrutinizer05or overclocked it14:19
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: do Nokia still do screen repairs?14:20
DocScrutinizer05I think so14:20
jon_ycool, I will embark on this quest14:20
jon_yto an official Nokia dealer14:20
DocScrutinizer05if you don't want to get warranty repair ;-)14:20
jon_yit's 3 years old14:21
jon_yI think warranty expired long ago14:21
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather "lose" my purchase recipe than to try and get a warranty repair on N90014:22
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jon_ywhat happens in a warranty repair?14:22
thedead1440they give you a N8 or E7 instead?14:23
DocScrutinizer05N900 get "repaired" on warranty by replacing them with a N814:23
jon_yfuck what14:23
thedead1440last i heard was a L800 being offered to a poster on TMO14:23
jon_yso if I paid for repairs, I get back my n900 in repaired condition?14:24
DocScrutinizer05though, somebody in here claimed they built new mainboards to do actual repair14:24
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: they won't give you a new phone for your old N900, when you have to pay 30 bucks for it :-D14:25
jon_ymaybe I need to fly to Finland to get replacements14:25
jon_yor China14:25
jon_yyes, I want my n900, not the n814:25
* engblom could actually sell one n900.14:26
DocScrutinizer05screen swap though might be more expensive than a used N90014:26
* jon_y realizes he is fanatical about the n90014:26
jon_yengblom: how much and where are you shipping from? :)14:26
DocScrutinizer05are you sure it's LCD?14:26
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: not sure, probably14:26
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DocScrutinizer05more usually it's flex connector14:27
jon_yloose cable?14:27
engblomI am in Finland... It is having scandinavian keyboard, so it is probably nothing interesting for you.14:27
jon_yI think it detects presses, just not releases14:27
DocScrutinizer05broken connector/plug14:27
jon_yso dragging about the screen is fine14:27
jon_ybut not actual presses for the screen app to respond to14:28
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that's most likely digitizer14:28
jon_yso screen needs replacing?14:28
DocScrutinizer05digitizer != LCD14:28
jon_yengblom: is it still querty?14:28
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: main board broke?14:28
jon_yengblom: good enough :)14:28
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: I *guess* you need a new digitizer14:29
jon_ywhere is the digitizer at?14:29
DocScrutinizer05the thing you're touching14:29
jon_yyou mean the resistive touch surface?14:30
jon_yok, does nokia still do those?14:30
jon_ymust as well replace the whole LCD board14:30
DocScrutinizer05ask your nearest nokia care center14:30
jon_yyeah, soon14:31
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jon_ybtw, bought a Nokia 101 in the mean time14:34
jon_yDual sim cards!14:34
jon_ythat's just about the only defining feature it has14:34
* freemangordon bought one for his 7-year old daughter :D14:35
jon_y~25 Euros14:35
freemangordonyep, a real old nokia14:35
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freemangordonstrong as steel, at least look like14:36
jon_yI was hoping it was made of the same 2xxx/3xxx material14:36
jon_yit is tiny, very fitting for a 7-year old kid14:36
Mekkisis down?14:37
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: any idea on how to execute a property found via lshal? For example, if i want the power button to be pressed via terminal?15:16
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Hurrianthedead1440, you're supposed to use D-Bus signals15:18
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thedead1440Hurrian: how do i monitor them via dbus-monitor --system?15:19
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Hurrianthedead1440, you're supposed to watch for certain DBus events15:20
Hurriansee how shortcutd does it, I'll be leaving in a bit15:20
thedead1440Hurrian: ok thanks :)15:20
HurrianIIRC it's all asynchronous, so don't worry too much about battery life taking a hit15:20
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thedead1440Hurrian: for example i found the interface and path, using it in qdbus says service does not exist15:21
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: dbus-monitor is your friend, either way15:46
thedead1440thanks DocScrutinizer05 i've found the path and string using dbus-monitor15:47
DocScrutinizer05for pushbuttons/switches it's a tiny bit ... awkward, since opendesktop guys thought it's enough to tell "it changed"15:47
DocScrutinizer05so for my playswoosh scriptie to play "swooooosh" on sliding out kbd, I have to check sysfs node to tell apart opening from closing the kbd15:48
DocScrutinizer05I think it's a design bug, but it's specified that way15:49
DocScrutinizer05from dbus signal you can't tell whether kbd slides open or closes15:49
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thedead1440nice ;)15:53
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: and are timing out.15:58 is timing out :-/15:58
JaffaAh, that'd do it.15:58
DocScrutinizer05topic even15:59
DocScrutinizer05nfc, thought it worked this night16:00
brknDocScrutinizer05: ppl complaining on tmo as well
DocScrutinizer05the DNs changes seem to cause some trouble16:01
DocScrutinizer05rather, for repo the DNs been NOT changed when I checked last, a few hours ago16:01
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 10:14:03] <DocScrutinizer05>   18      IN      CNAME
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 10:14:28] <DocScrutinizer05> 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net16:02
DocScrutinizer05i'd not be surprised when Nokia or akamai takes down the 'old' servers same day they started to change DNs to new ones16:03
DocScrutinizer05DNS* grrr16:03
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 10:03:33] <DocScrutinizer05> if somebody feels bored, you could check `host <URL-of*>` from this list and see if some are already active.16:04
brknDocScrutinizer05: just ping me if you want interim repos to be opened16:04
DocScrutinizer05I'm waiting til at least tomorrow16:05
brknmeanwhile ppl keep complaining and whining xD16:05
DocScrutinizer05my sysop friends tell me DNS needs up to 24h to even propagate up and down the nameserver chain16:05
brknmax yes16:06
brkngenerally a few hours top is sufficient16:06
thedead1440actually that is not always true; the 24-48h rule is quite old these days16:06
DocScrutinizer05brkn: so how would they stop doing that when we opened arbitrary repos on some arbitrary location?16:06
brknDocScrutinizer05: in general ppl don't complain if you offer them a backup solution, like the time harmattan dev was down16:06
brknwell those that urgently need packages will create a temo sources.list, the others won't16:07
brknwell until now not a single f##k was given xD16:07
DocScrutinizer05and where would we propagate such solution?16:07
brknirc topic, tmo post16:08
brknthen again i don#t care if ppl can#t access repos16:08
DocScrutinizer05I think we should ping Eero16:08
DocScrutinizer05when he16:08
DocScrutinizer05's back in a few hours16:08
DocScrutinizer05complex solutions for temporary problems tend to maximize user confusion16:09
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DocScrutinizer05they usually start implementing the fix when it already is obsolete16:09
brkn^^^ ack16:09
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* thedead1440 soooo wishes the Council doesn't intervene to allow the Board to explain the situation on TMO wrt repos going down16:13
ShadowJKis repo supposed to be
DocScrutinizer05host -a maemo.org16:14
DocScrutinizer05DNS record fekked16:14
DocScrutinizer05missin A record16:14
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ShadowJKworks here16:15
infobotinterim-dns is, like, " and"16:15
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ShadowJKrepo to .20316:15 query:16:16
DocScrutinizer05;; ANSWER SECTION:16:16              25201   IN      SOA 2010082098 7200 3600 1209600 360016:16              25201   IN      NS
DocScrutinizer05no A record16:16
DocScrutinizer05repo is "fine"16:16
DocScrutinizer05;; ANSWER SECTION:16:17   300     IN      A
DocScrutinizer05but then, maybe repo vserver is not "fine"16:17
ShadowJK8.8.8.8 gives me address .200, ns, don't reply, ns3 gives me .200 for maemo.org16:18
ShadowJKconnection to .203 seems to timeout16:19
DocScrutinizer05Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it"16:20
ShadowJKtcptraceroute to seems to roughly pass ficix into nebula's edge, and then goes nowhere16:21
DocScrutinizer0510.                                                                                       28.1%    33  226.7 121.5  94.2 272.8  52.516:22
DocScrutinizer05% packet loss16:22
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DocScrutinizer05on route to maemo.org16:23
DocScrutinizer05Resolver error: No error returned but no answers given. of fields16:24
DocScrutinizer05for repo16:24
DocScrutinizer05Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure) <- for maemo.org16:25
ShadowJKcomparing the result of tcptraceroute to, it looks like the machine is down :P16:25
ShadowJKwhether that's just the vm or the physical host is another question16:26
DocScrutinizer05it's getting weirder by the minute:         29746   IN      CNAME
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DocScrutinizer05WTF is Nokia doing?16:30
brknthis is elop's revenge16:30
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ShadowJKresolving to cname for me16:31
ShadowJKbut is returning cname forums.itt,etc16:33
brknkick the nameservers in the nuts16:33
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ShadowJKwho is they're marked as handling's mail :)16:35
ShadowJKI'll quote your 'there's something weird going on" on tmo :)16:37
jacekowskiFYI my repository mirror is still working fine16:42
ShadowJKhopefully this gets fixed before we get massive repo fragmenttion16:44
* ShadowJK remembers chinook and earlier days in horror16:44
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DocScrutinizer05so seems right now about all is down, right?16:58
DocScrutinizer05except tmo16:58
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DocScrutinizer05old one16:58
DocScrutinizer05new one got a weird blocking notice now16:58
* DocScrutinizer05 twiddles thumbs16:59
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DocScrutinizer05actually watching the DNS records fluctuationg and showing random weird nonsense is kinda fun of a special kind17:00
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DocScrutinizer05I just wonder which weirdo touched, since that been requested for Wednesday 10:00UTC explicitly17:00
DocScrutinizer05I hope it's not HiFo who got the admin-c now and doing experiments on how DNs works17:01
* ShadowJK ponders setting up a dnswatch script on his server17:03
DocScrutinizer05great idea17:03
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DocScrutinizer05please with log to a html page :-)17:04
DocScrutinizer05something like # for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; cat temp >> the-gory-story.html)17:08
DocScrutinizer05# for h in talk repository wiki bla blub; do host -a ${h}; done >temp; cmp temp oldtmp || (cp temp oldtmp; (date; cat temp) >> the-gory-story.html)17:09
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Ex-OpesaWhole seems to be down. Any update?17:14
DocScrutinizer05everything updates ;-D17:14
DocScrutinizer05the move of e.g wiki.m.o went waaaay too smooth17:15
Ex-OpesaOkay. I hope it will be fine soon.17:16
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: LOL17:17
MrPingufunny, isn't it :P17:18
PaliMrPingu, what it is?17:19
MrPinguthat guy from TMO who had that proto N9-0017:19
DocScrutinizer05with some funny lines on his xterm17:20
PaliMrPingu, we need password for that repo17:20
jon_yN9/N900 cross breed?17:20
vi____You know you have been vimming too long when you are inserting random ':wq' into everything.17:21
DocScrutinizer05WOW, got a A record again ;-P17:21
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* DocScrutinizer05 hardly can stand the suspense17:22
vi____how did such a noob get such a rare device?17:22
MrPinguPali: unfortunately it's secured, yes :(17:22
brknDocScrutinizer05: get yourself a coffee, that should calm you down17:22
DocScrutinizer05brilliant idea, I earn it17:23
MrPinguvi____: Idk, check that thread he can't even handle simple cd command -.-17:23 already unreachable?17:23
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vi____so all we have to do is hack that test repo...17:24
vi____for fat lewt?17:24
MrPingunono, for "us". He's too stupid17:25
DocScrutinizer05[GENERAL NOTICE] right now * is down (except
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; updating every hour hopefully17:26
MrPinguOnly collecting n950 and such to brag17:26
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: you da man, though you should change that chronjob to 5 min ;-)17:26
ShadowJKdidn't want to immedtaely make a screen full of files :)17:27
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ShadowJK"one liner" sh written with n900, running in screen session on my server17:28
DocScrutinizer05I'm absolutely worried why wiki is down17:31
ShadowJKis any new host up?17:31
brknDocScrutinizer05: don't be17:31
Ex-OpesaWhy shouldn't we be worried brkn? ^17:31
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jon_yis that right?17:32
brknEx-Opesa: because afaik wiki has been saved as well so in worst case import that xml and images to a new mediawiki and you're done17:32
brknnothing lost17:32
Ex-Opesabrkn: Yeah17:33
DocScrutinizer05brkn: I'm not worried about wiki data, i'm worried *why* wiki is down. It's meant to be our infra running stable for next 4 weeks or so17:35
DocScrutinizer05and it already worked like a charm just a few hours ago17:36
DocScrutinizer05and the DNs didn't change, it's the server that's down17:36
brknwell then i thought you had access17:36
brkncheck the vms17:37
DocScrutinizer05I don't have access to anything but tmo VM yet17:37
DocScrutinizer05and tmo runs from a weird CNAME now17:38
brknmaybe they are doing some hardening on their vms or such17:38
brknor they have internal routing issues17:38
DocScrutinizer05while new vserver is showing a friggin >> We are currently migrating the forum to THIS new server. We will be back soon...<<17:39
DocScrutinizer05brkn: that's why you are sysop and i'm not ;-)17:39
brknoh well i am not. you were given access xDD17:40
DocScrutinizer05hardening sounds pretty possible17:40
brknya maybe my scans were detected17:40
brknalthough that was yesterday or before17:40
brknwell i had to check the new hosts whether they were up17:40
DocScrutinizer05and what did your scans show, do they actually need hardening?17:40
brknwell not much services running17:41
DocScrutinizer05many, but yeah17:41
brknthey could hide some versions strings to make if more difficult to fingerprint though17:41
brkn+ i did not feel like checking their ssh access17:41
brknwithout telling them17:41
DocScrutinizer05you mean brute force check17:42
DocScrutinizer05well, port doesn't please me17:42
ShadowJKThe "omg scans!! offline everything and harden the ethernet cables in liquid nitrogen!!" mentality is exactly why I rent a dedi instead of vps for my own little needs...17:43
brknlol @ ShadowJK17:43
DocScrutinizer05nah, the logs about the same old boring ssh "admin" / "mysql" / "ibm" whatnot users gets simply boring and spams my syslogs17:44
ShadowJKor when you know when the sysop is awake, because he's "optimising" the performance by rebooting every 15 minutes17:44
brknwell once they are up again if they (nemein) agree we can recheck17:44
DocScrutinizer05brkn: I'll announce it17:45
jon_ybruteforce ssh?17:45
brknannounce what?17:45
* ShadowJK wonders if apache just fell over from the fat of maemo infra :)17:45
jon_yuse fail2ban?17:45
DocScrutinizer05but right now Eero is "swamped" and they need to sort that weirdo shite first17:46
brknjon_y: well let's hope then nobody spoofs ips because then a lot of ppl will get blacklisted17:46
DocScrutinizer05brkn: (announce) pentests to Nemein17:46
jon_ybrkn: ssh is on tcp17:46
brknlike using official isps proxies and get banned17:46
brknack jon_y17:47
jon_ykind of hard to di that unless you machine is already compromised17:47
ShadowJKit's more or less impossible to establish a tcp connection with spoofed IPs these days17:47
brkn+ check their fail2ban config for logfile injection17:47
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ShadowJKiirc last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98 :)17:47
brknwell funny stuff but i guess they know what they are doing17:47
jon_yyou have more serious problems if you have log file injection going on17:47
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: vulnerable for what?17:49
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; ip spoofing on tcp17:49
DocScrutinizer05>>last mainstream OS vulnerable was Windows 98<< just didn't sound right ;-P17:50
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jon_ybesides, you can impose a 1 minute ban for 5 bad logins, very much stops bruteforce17:50
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jon_yor 5 minutes for 3 bad logins17:51
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: that stops *successful* brute force17:51
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't stop flooding your logs though17:51
ShadowJKIt's not like bruteforce is any threat unless you've got idiots on your machine17:51
ShadowJKidiots with stupid passwords17:51
DocScrutinizer05or on your distro maintainer crew17:52
jaskapam_passwdqc and make them cry17:52
jon_y1 hour ban after 20 bad consecutive retries?17:52
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DocScrutinizer05jon_y: throwing dice, or what?17:52
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jon_ywell, just a tar pit17:52
jon_yto make bruteforce unfeasible17:53
DocScrutinizer05move your port to $random, form 2217:53
brknjon_y: when you said bruteforce i just remembered mysql flaw from summer17:53
brknmade me laugh17:53
DocScrutinizer05errr wait17:53
jon_yI'm not familiar with the mysql problem17:53
brknfor i in `seq 1 1000`; do mysql -u root --password=bad -h 2>/dev/null; done17:54
jaskabeing batshit crazy i moved my ssh port at home and only allow pubkey from outside lan :D17:54
DocScrutinizer05and I confused it with some other vulnerability17:54
DocScrutinizer05no, I didn't17:54
brknif you asked many times, mysql finally gave up and gave you root access17:54
jon_ybrkn: what is that?17:54
brkna flaw?!17:54
kerioShadowJK: would ec2 count as a dedicated server?17:55
keriothat shit will *not* go down17:55
ShadowJKmaybe :)17:55
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ping17:56
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: do you know why new tmo has this notice now?17:56
brknkerio: you should not trust their preconfigured images either17:56
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brkngoogle ms12-020 poc17:57
brknwell that's history as well by now17:57
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DocScrutinizer05Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on18:05
DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvda        15G  4.6G  9.6G  33% /18:05
DocScrutinizer05/dev/xvdb        15G  181M   14G   2% /mnt/disk218:05
DocScrutinizer05^^^ tmo18:05
SysaxedI was able to set minimum frequency of FM transmitter to 76 MHz by changing fmtx file with one I've found on maemo forums... now how can I get my radio receiver to work at 76 MHz?18:05
DocScrutinizer05I guess somebody nuked the db already?18:06
brknDocScrutinizer05: db on another machine?18:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm, mysql server?18:06
DocScrutinizer05quite possible18:06
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DocScrutinizer05but then...18:06
brkni recall so telling me db was ~ 12gb18:06
freemangordonthat could be with attachments18:06
DocScrutinizer05...then we should *really* think about consolidation18:06
brknattachments are stored in db?18:07
brknomg for a moment my heart jumped18:07
DocScrutinizer05afaik nope18:07
freemangordonso db+attach == 12G18:07
freemangordondb only ~ 4G18:07
brknfreemangordon: that could fit yes18:07
freemangordonthat is from my cloudy memories18:08
DocScrutinizer05I'd think the other way round18:08
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc that was burried in one email from reggie18:08
DocScrutinizer05attachments are rare, and small/sizelimited18:08
DocScrutinizer05pictures however18:08
freemangordonsizelimit is ~500k18:09
DocScrutinizer05I'd think 10018:09
freemangordonfor .deb is 488k18:09
DocScrutinizer05whatever, I don't think attachments are n*content18:09
freemangordonfor tar,zip, gz too18:10
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DocScrutinizer05aaah yes, might even depend on filetype18:10
freemangordonfor jpg is ~100k18:10
freemangordonthe others are smaller18:10
DocScrutinizer05yeah, we eventually asked reggie to increase max attachment size18:11
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things.18:20
freemangordonthe fuck, seems down :(18:21
freemangordonhmm, false alarm18:21
freemangordonit is up but slow18:21
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you can read no?18:24
DocScrutinizer05sure I can read18:25
chem|streggie deactivated it I guess18:25
chem|stwasn't me18:26
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I guess he even nuked the db18:26
chem|stnot yet18:26
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: anyway, we were able to check functionality of new tmo before reggie blocked it, so I'm quite confident the move will cause the least problems18:34
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DocScrutinizer05>>... the cpu loads were manageable but I fear there is some throttle on the network somewhere<<18:38
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DocScrutinizer05:nod: is up again - slow but up19:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org19:36
keriounless you mean the new one19:36
DocScrutinizer05                                    etc/hosts      repository.maemo.org19:40
DocScrutinizer05;; ANSWER SECTION:19:40   300     IN      A
keriowell, i still dln't have th19:41
kerio*don't have that19:41
DocScrutinizer05I guess/hope that's not from my etc7hosts19:41
DocScrutinizer05Received 266 bytes from 212.34.1xx.y1#53 in 104 ms19:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio: try `host -a`19:42
kerioyou mean dig :)19:42
DocScrutinizer05whatever spice you like with your query19:42
kerioand it doesn't work19:43
kerionot even from my laptop19:43
DocScrutinizer05yeah, the akamai servers didn't work this morning either19:44
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that's already the new IP19:45
freemangordonaccording to nslookup:"Address:"19:46
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DocScrutinizer05and here that IP works, works not, work...19:46
freemangordonreverse dns lookup cannot resolve that address, I guess it will takesome time for caches to expire/new address to be known19:48
DocScrutinizer05I got unusually long timeouts once server connection got established19:48
ShadowJKreverse dns is handles by someone else19:48
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: I configured unusually long timeouts once server connection got established19:49
kerioyeah, that's .in-addr.arpa19:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well I guess we can expect some interruptions and such, it is expected (at least by me)19:49
freemangordonit is very hard to do a migration without some disturbance in services19:50
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please read backscroll of the day19:50
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, that's been somewhere else where I posted that quote about rDNS19:51
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 10:28:26] <mashiara> quite possible but I could not request those reverses before the real DNS was updated.19:53
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DocScrutinizer05 loads just this moment19:54
DocScrutinizer05actually relatively "swiftly"19:54
DocScrutinizer05and slow again19:55
ShadowJKlooks like the machine/vm is pretty slow to respond19:56
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 17:20:56] <DocScrutinizer05> [2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things.19:56
DocScrutinizer05possibly swap hell, or network problems19:57
brkn@ ShadowJK: same for wiki19:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway, slow but loaded again19:58
DocScrutinizer05while wiki "Additional Information: Socket operation timed out"19:58
ShadowJKis wiki, www, repos all in separate VMs?19:59
DocScrutinizer05it's different IPs19:59
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DocScrutinizer05dunno further details19:59 is down :C19:59
Sysaxedha-ha, did I miss something? : D20:00
DocScrutinizer05yeah, the /topic20:00
ShadowJKIt's getting moved.20:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it should probably be at the beginning20:08
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freemangordonhmm, looks like runs on 1 core with 512 RAM20:14
freemangordonat most :D20:14
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: BTW wiki is here, slow as hell but loading20:17
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DocScrutinizer05mtr wiki.m.o20:20
DocScrutinizer0510.                                                                                       16.7%    18  103.4 112.9  95.4 184.6  29.920:20
DocScrutinizer05there's sth severely fishy in network20:21
freemangordonduplicated ips or something20:21
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freemangordonhmm, traceroute from my machine and from inet stops at
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keriothe traceroute does indeed stop at
keriobut ofc it goes behind for at least 5 hops20:34
infobotkerio meant: but ofc it goes forward for at least 5 hops20:34
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DocScrutinizer05try mtr20:39
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DocScrutinizer05well, seems packet loss isn't thagt uncommon today20:56
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Sysaxedwould repos go up today? I have to install some stuff..20:59
freemangordonSysaxed: repos are up, just veeeeery slow20:59
Sysaxedthat's why I was able to use them a minute ago21:00
Sysaxedfreemangordon, anything that can be done with it?21:00
freemangordonNFC, though I guess "they" are trying to fix it21:01
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-14 15:20:33] <DocScrutinizer05> Nemein/Eero is aware "there's sth weird going on" - somebody's "looking at it"21:02
DocScrutinizer05<DocScrutinizer05> [2013-01-14 17:18:07] <mashiara> I mailed the "grid guy" and told him to doublecheck a few things.21:02
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Sysaxedmailed... which means it's going to take some time...21:03
DocScrutinizer05yes, it will for sure take some time21:04
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, what is with ?21:37
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kerioPali: /topic21:43
kerioand yeah, that's a bad position to put it21:43
kerioit should be at the beginning21:43
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: it's 21:00 or even 22:00 here, nevertheless "the grid guy" might report back to Eero this night since that guy has "strange working hours". But Eero will read that mail tomorrow morning the earliest21:59
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keriohehe, "strange working hours"22:18
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Lava_CroftAnyone have a link to the most recent build of mosh available?23:00
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Lava_Crofti have a 1.2.2 build here that craps out23:00
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05: sorry didn't find the time to try new autobuilder23:23
qwazixI'd appreciate if somebody takes this task as I fear I will fail to do it tomorrow too due to time constraints23:24
grummundhi peeps o/23:31
grummundhow plausible would it be to use n900 to sniff a bluetooth connection?23:34
fluxgrummund, I would say completely implausible..23:37
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fluxthat's usually the domain of specialiced bluetooth analyzers. not to say there's any magic in it (well, there might be), but you would at least need to rewrite the bluetooth chip firmware.23:38
fluxin any case, I don't think the analyzers either can grab onto encrypted connections23:38
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grummundhmm, omly need encrypted23:43
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wirranybody been successful running armhf debian on n900?23:57
wirrI'm successfully booting wheezy-grip (emdebian), launching x but no video output :-(23:58
wirrusing nemo-kernel that is23:58
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