IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-01-13

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WizardNumberNext	and I didn't pay 1200GBP for my desktop	00:00
WizardNumberNext	barely over 1/3 of that price tag	00:00
Corsac	WizardNumberNext: more people than Linux, actually :)	00:00
WizardNumberNext	because they do not know about existence of anything else then Window$ and O$ X	00:01
* kerio paid 2300€ for his macbook pro		00:02
kerio	haters gonna hate	00:02
WizardNumberNext	look - I do not have to spend whole week to install my software, not to mention drivers, do noit have tpo spend ages to pull software of the net and do not have to pay single pence for my software	00:02
WizardNumberNext	kerio: you must be joking me	00:03
WizardNumberNext	what sort of CPU and RAM do you have there?	00:03
kerio	WizardNumberNext: you must be poor	00:03
WizardNumberNext	4x opteron 62xx?	00:03
freemangordon	luf: ofc, CSSU needs you :)	00:04
WizardNumberNext	for that price tag I would have 2x Opteron 62xx + 64GiB of RAM	00:04
kerio	WizardNumberNext: not with 8 hours of battery life	00:04
freemangordon	though you may administer maemo.org in the time you take rest from bluez and such :P	00:04
WizardNumberNext	I am not poor, I am reasonable - I do not spend 5x more for same class CPU and 3x for same damn RAM	00:04
kerio	WizardNumberNext: on the other hand, LAPTOP	00:05
kerio	(besides, mine is about 5 years old now)	00:05
WizardNumberNext	I have almost best CPU of the line and 8GiB of RAM - price - just slightly over 400GBP	00:05
kerio	i'm sure of it	00:06
WizardNumberNext	where PSU costed me 80GBP	00:06
kerio	how long does it stay on without plugging it in?	00:06
WizardNumberNext	mine is dated last year	00:06
WizardNumberNext	desktop?	00:06
WizardNumberNext	wiothout pluggin in?	00:06
WizardNumberNext	I do not like laptops	00:06
WizardNumberNext	for one reason	00:07
WizardNumberNext	in last year I had: 5 motherboards, 2 cpu, 2/4/8GiB of RAM, 3 PSUs	00:08
WizardNumberNext	all of it was tested and if I didn't like it I changed it	00:08
WizardNumberNext	change your PSU in laptop!	00:08
kerio	i already did, under warranty	00:09
WizardNumberNext	P.S. welcome to Apple world - everything is really integrated and you cannot change anything, and even if you can, then you either void warranty or pay for it	00:09
kerio	because the plug that connects to the laptop side was broken	00:09
WizardNumberNext	it is not PSU of Laptop	00:09
WizardNumberNext	it is just general PSU	00:09
WizardNumberNext	I mean PSU-PSU	00:10
WizardNumberNext	not just single volt PSU	00:10
kerio	oh, the battery then	00:10
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: OS X is nice, when not running on Apple hardware.	00:10
WizardNumberNext	you have whole PSU in laptop	00:10
WizardNumberNext	12v, 5v, 3.3v	00:10
Hurrian	also, holy crap, 5 mobos and 2 cpus in a year?	00:11
kerio	Hurrian: no it's not, mountain lion is a piece of crap	00:11
WizardNumberNext	IHurrian: I was curious for while, but, when I seen how much I need to do to run it on AMD Phenom II...	00:11
luf	freemangordon: :D Yes I still sleep several hours per day.	00:11
WizardNumberNext	so lion is crap as well	00:11
kerio	lion is crap too, yes	00:12
Hurrian	ah, an AMD system. Man, if that was an Intel system, that would probably bankrupt me.	00:12
kerio	snow leopard is the last good one, pretty much :s	00:12
freemangordon	luf: what a waste :D	00:12
kerio	luf: disregard sleep, acquire coffee	00:12
kerio	s/coffee/meth/	00:12
infobot	kerio meant: luf: disregard sleep, acquire meth	00:12
WizardNumberNext	kerio: I would disagree - last one was leopard - and that is for single reason	00:12
WizardNumberNext	it run on PPC	00:12
Hurrian	kerio: meh, I spend most of my time in nano, Xcode, Firefox and VMWare, and launch programs using Alfred, so I avoid the horrible Launchpad	00:13
Hurrian	the big draw to me using OS X is Mission Control, which on a single-screen system is a lifesaver	00:13
kerio	except that nobody was able to make a G5 that didn't require a nuclear fusion reactor to run	00:13
kerio	so that made it kinda hard to have good laptops	00:14
WizardNumberNext	ok, IBM never meant 74xx for laptop	00:14
WizardNumberNext	sorry 97x	00:14
WizardNumberNext	it was motorola job to make laptop ones	00:15
WizardNumberNext	and motorola quited AIM	00:15
WizardNumberNext	so onlyu AI left	00:15
WizardNumberNext	then Aplle kicked out IBM so only A left	00:15
kerio	it's a damn shame, yeah :s	00:16
WizardNumberNext	that's shame they kicked them out	00:16
WizardNumberNext	now Apple would have Cell 9i	00:16
WizardNumberNext	or something even better	00:16
kerio	i wonder what would've happened if apple moved to ARM instead	00:17
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: Cell chips need TWO nuclear fusion reactors to run!	00:17
WizardNumberNext	and left? Then ARM would second to best!	00:17
WizardNumberNext	Hurrian: who told you that	00:17
WizardNumberNext	full Cell 8i is in PS3	00:18
kerio	WizardNumberNext: no, i mean, instead of moving to x86	00:18
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: High TDP of PS3 CPU, and it's only single-core.	00:18
kerio	but i don't know what was the status of arm when they made the switch	00:18
WizardNumberNext	kerio: that is what I meant, Apple moving to ARM and leaving it.	00:18
WizardNumberNext	Hurrian: single-core? What? It is full Cell 8i - 8SPE + 1 PPE	00:19
Hurrian	I was talking about the PPC core inside the Cell.	00:19
WizardNumberNext	where do you get your info from?	00:19
WizardNumberNext	SPE is PPC!	00:19
Hurrian	Alright, so, go run Linux kernel process threads in it.	00:20
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Hurrian	It's impractical to do so, because of the crazy mailbox/local store structure, and the fact that they're more suited to running numerical compute kernels a la CUDA	00:21
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WizardNumberNext	it is like pure AltiVec core	00:21
WizardNumberNext	Hurrian: show me Linux kernel, which is able to run on more then one core at once!	00:22
WizardNumberNext	it is monolitic kernel and it runs on one core	00:23
Hurrian	Indeed. IMO, Sony should've rode the tide with the PS3, developed a quad-PPC core chip, and not bothered with an SPE	00:23
WizardNumberNext	then you do not need more, then one core for it	00:23
WizardNumberNext	Sony had no voice about design of Cell! It is IBM creation!	00:24
Hurrian	They ordered the chips.	00:24
WizardNumberNext	thats right, they ordered chips, not designed them	00:24
kerio	they ordered 10M chips	00:25
kerio	they could've asked for whatever they wanted, really	00:25
WizardNumberNext	nubmer of them doesn't make any frickin difference	00:25
WizardNumberNext	it still would be designed by IBM	00:25
kerio	yes, but you can ask for specific features if you're sony	00:25
WizardNumberNext	and for game console you need a lot of SPEs	00:26
WizardNumberNext	yes, they did	00:26
ShadowJK	In Linux 2.2 there was the "Big Kernel Lock", which made kernel on all other cores/processors stop if one cpu accessed any complex data structure. In 2.4, 2.6 and 3.x it's pretty darn fine grained though	00:26
WizardNumberNext	they asked for 7 SPEs	00:26
WizardNumberNext	ShadowJK: as far as I remember, they removed BKL totaly	00:27
WizardNumberNext	which doesn't mean, that plain kernel thread could be run on more then one core	00:27
WizardNumberNext	it is all about helpers	00:27
WizardNumberNext	but pure kernel is unsplitable	00:28
WizardNumberNext	even macro-kernel is unsplitable	00:28
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: IIRC, from the PS3 prototypes, 8 SPEs were planned, but to cut costs on the already ~$1000 PS3 they accepted partially defective ones	00:28
ShadowJK	A single thread rarely runs on more than one cpu :-)	00:28
WizardNumberNext	ShadowJK: you know what I meant	00:29
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Hurrian	nowadays the newer PS3s usually have the Cell chips perfectly manufactured, and they can probably be safely enabled.	00:29
WizardNumberNext	fs, drivers and so on can run wherever	00:29
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WizardNumberNext	Hurrian it is valuable info, maybe I would get one and set up some 'super computer' on it	00:30
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ShadowJK	WizardNumberNext, and what's left after you remove fs, drivers etc	00:30
WizardNumberNext	but wait RAM is crap there - it is too small for anything sewrious	00:30
DocScrutinizer51	wirr: there is no info on tmo about details for master sysop of maemo.org. consider of it as 2 dedi servers running ~12 VMs	00:31
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Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: I run kernel 3.7 on mine, the SPE guides on IBM are a good start	00:31
WizardNumberNext	memory handling, process management, ...	00:31
Hurrian	And regarding the RAM, just swap on the VRAM block device	00:31
WizardNumberNext	do not remember all at the moment, but there are 4	00:31
DocScrutinizer51	wirr: needed time is sth the sysop needs to tell me, not I tell sysop	00:32
Hurrian	It's XDR, so it's quite a lot faster than DDR3. You're still limited to 512MB RAM though.	00:32
WizardNumberNext	Hurrian: knowing what RAM is supported, which won't be easy to find out	00:32
DocScrutinizer51	I guess you'll need 30min/day minimum, watchin nagios/munin/whatever, syslogs, CERT alerts etc	00:33
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: the PPC CPU has access to 256MB of RAM, and you can swap on the 256MB of VRAM (since there is no accelerated 3D video driver for the PS3)	00:33
DocScrutinizer51	if you know your business	00:33
WizardNumberNext	you can swap it as long as you know what is supported	00:34
WizardNumberNext	there is bit more then plain mbits per chip	00:34
Hurrian	WizardNumberNext: Now that gives you 512MB of fast memory, outside of that you'll have to swap to HDD, which is incredibly, unbearably, slow on the PS3 because of the HDD encryption/decryption chip	00:34
DocScrutinizer51	wirr: initially you'll need more time setting things up and making familiar with stuff	00:34
wirr	DocScrutinizer05, as far I get from the councils post, the goal is to have a full team of sysops, right?	00:35
WizardNumberNext	like bitness of RAM, like its organization and its low-level organization	00:35
ShadowJK	WizardNumberNext, ignoring the helper threads, the kernel isn't some process that's always running. It's more like event-driven pieces of code running with the highest priviledges. When a page fault happens, the cpu core on which it happened jumps into kernel code and starts executing the memory management stuff, and schedules another process to be run on that core. When an interrupt happens, the core that interrupt was routed to gets to handle it. The pr	00:35
ShadowJK	ocess doesn't get moved to core 0 or anything	00:35
Hurrian	brb	00:35
DocScrutinizer51	wirr: yes, the plan is to have one professional master sysop, and find as many maintainers for services as possible to delegate stuff	00:36
WizardNumberNext	I know ShadowJK, I know that for quite long time, it is purely easy answer to SPE problem - you cannot run kernel there, but who cares - kernel doesn't run all the time anyway	00:37
DocScrutinizer51	you can't run stuff with a crew of 30 peer sysops	00:37
WizardNumberNext	btw interrupt handling is another one	00:37
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer51: will sysop be paid?	00:37
ShadowJK	Well it's also that the thing is deprived of any meaningful I/O to manage :-)	00:37
DocScrutinizer51	will take more time for coordination overhead than anything else	00:38
DocScrutinizer51	freemangordon: dependsa	00:38
WizardNumberNext	and I/O handling	00:39
DocScrutinizer51	we probably prefer to pay a small amount, and have proper responsibility and liability	00:39
DocScrutinizer51	afk, sorry	00:39
WizardNumberNext	DocScrutinizer51: what have to have sysop?	00:39
WizardNumberNext	or otherwise, how much I have learn?	00:40
wirr	DocScrutinizer05, I agree, the team has to be small enough to stay agile	00:40
WizardNumberNext	s/have learn/have to learn/	00:41
infobot	WizardNumberNext meant: or otherwise, how much I have to learn?	00:41
wirr	but still large enough to allow people to do their tasks reliable besides their day jobs	00:41
wirr	s/reliable/reliably/	00:41
infobot	wirr meant: but still large enough to allow people to do their tasks reliably besides their day jobs	00:41
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WizardNumberNext	going for some water	00:42
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: I bought the card today and it is still in my devel device	00:45
wirr	DocScrutinizer05, is a full resume expected with the application?	00:45
wirr	can someone tell me why i can't create a new page on the new wiki?	00:46
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: but afaik there should be no problem with UHS cards(besides the speed will not be more than lats say 20MB/s)	00:46
wirr	freemangordon, WizardNumberNext: I'm getting seq. read of up to 18MB/s and seq. write of approx 8.5MB/s with UHS-1	00:48
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: 20MB/s I would love it. At the moment I cannot seam to get decent speed of neither SD nor MMC. Barely 1.5MiB/s. But I am using data=journal, which efectively halfs speed	00:49
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kerio	data=writeback nobarrier or you're a wuss	00:50
WizardNumberNext	kerio data=journal - it minimizes data lost	00:51
kerio	as i said, wuss :P	00:51
WizardNumberNext	if you would loose 400GiB of DATA you would do everything to prevent it from happening again	00:52
kerio	you can't lose important data	00:52
kerio	if it was important, you'd have backups	00:52
WizardNumberNext	now I have	00:52
kerio	data=journal isn't a backup!	00:52
WizardNumberNext	but I am not makeing backup of n900 everyday	00:52
freemangordon	wirr: 15 MB/s here, depending on the block size(dd that is). but that card impresses with random i/o, at least so far	00:52
kerio	every day is a bit too much, but once every three or four days is recommended	00:53
WizardNumberNext	it is not backup, but it helps to keep data	00:53
kerio	it takes so little effort	00:53
WizardNumberNext	as data is written first	00:53
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: I am talking about raw speed, not fs	00:53
WizardNumberNext	I think I might import my backup script	00:54
kerio	WizardNumberNext: just install backupmenu	00:54
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon, then I should expect something close to 20mb/s	00:54
WizardNumberNext	I have backupmenu	00:54
kerio	live backups won't really work	00:54
WizardNumberNext	but backupmenu doesn't make backup automaticaly to all my server drives at once	00:55
kerio	oh i thought you meant on the n900	00:55
WizardNumberNext	I meant on my n900	00:55
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kerio	oh, to the servers	00:55
WizardNumberNext	I run NAS on server	00:55
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kerio	backupmenu then usb mass storage and copy the tarballs	00:55
kerio	so you can bzip2 on a computer with a real cpu	00:56
WizardNumberNext	yes, to server, as 10 drives is 10 times bigger data security, then one SD card	00:56
ShadowJK	WizardNumberNext, try increase the commit time to something crazy like 300 seconds	00:56
ShadowJK	In general though, I'd say that all sorts of data integrity cleverness is completely foiled by SD behaviour... to the point that for example running fsck on SD can make matters far worse than they are	00:56
WizardNumberNext	ShadowJK: that is actually better, then data=journal	00:56
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ShadowJK	It's commit=1 in Maemo, to maximize interactivity	00:57
WizardNumberNext	shit, I have ext4 on SD	00:57
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ShadowJK	ext4 does much better than ext3, which does much better than ext2, as far as speed goes	00:57
WizardNumberNext	oh, speed-wise ext4 is a king	00:58
ShadowJK	Something about its access patterns being different	00:58
WizardNumberNext	\I was running resierfs3 for years and years, few weeks after ext4 went into kernel I started to use ext4 and it is far faster, then reiserfs and doesn't have problem with reiserfs loopback on reiserfs parition	00:59
kerio	ext4 lacks in spouse-killing, though	01:00
ShadowJK	nilfs2 would probably be fastest fs for SD right now	01:00
fastlane`	that was horrible	01:00
WizardNumberNext	need to compare features though	01:01
fastlane`	spouse killing :(	01:01
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Sysaxed	trying to broadcast music with fm transmitter. I can hear beep sound every 5 seconds and then it turns off after a minute. I'm not using the default music player, I'm using cmus. It thinks that there's no audio playing, that's why it beeps and then turns off. How can I make it accept cmus sounds?	01:07
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Sysaxed	how come the sound from default music player is different from the sound from cmus?	01:11
kerio	you need libplayback or something like that	01:12
Pali	Sysaxed, yes you need to use libplayback library for that	01:15
Sysaxed	uhhh, I can simply install it?	01:15
Pali	that library is closed and poor documented	01:15
Pali	look at OMP code how is using	01:15
Pali	Sysaxed, you need to add libplayback support to your sound application	01:15
freemangordon	Pali: did 3.8 boot?	01:15
Sysaxed	Pali, well, cmus is not my application :))	01:15
wirr	seriously guys, how can i create a new page on the wiki? there seems to be no way to register for a new account...	01:15
Pali	freemangordon, rescueOS yes	01:15
freemangordon	wow, great	01:15
kerio	with fbcon?	01:16
Pali	yes	01:16
kerio	:D	01:16
Pali	also usb network woking	01:16
kerio	that's good	01:16
* freemangordon guesses Pali don;t expect fremantle to boot :D		01:16
kerio	what about wifi?	01:16
kerio	or... hm	01:16
kerio	the uSD?	01:16
kerio	and emmc	01:16
Sysaxed	Pali is there any hack? Maybe I can fake some sound playing?	01:16
Pali	~interim-dns	01:17
kerio	Sysaxed: play 4'33" on mediaplayer	01:17
infobot	i heard interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts"	01:17
kerio	:)	01:17
Pali	wirr ^^^^	01:17
Pali	kerio, wifi was not tested, but wl1251 driver was autoloaded	01:18
Pali	eMMC was not detected	01:18
kerio	is omap_hsmmc not in mainline?	01:18
Pali	s/eMMC/internal slot/	01:18
infobot	Pali meant: internal slot was not detected	01:18
Pali	and external slot was detected, but inserted SD card not :-(	01:18
freemangordon	kerio: it should be, I guess some configuration	01:18
Pali	omap hs mmc driver is in upstream	01:19
kerio	hm, does the upstream driver deal with the backcover sensor too? and how?	01:19
Pali	Sysaxed, libplayback is needed	01:19
Pali	there is no other good solution for that	01:19
Pali	kerio, yes	01:20
Pali	it show me that cover is closed	01:20
kerio	Pali: maybe some program that does a dummy playback	01:20
kerio	so you can then do whatever you want with non-libplayback-aware programs	01:20
Sysaxed	kerio, yeah, that's what I'm asking about	01:21
Pali	kerio, not possible	01:21
Sysaxed	why>?	01:21
Pali	sound from system (like events) are high priority	01:21
Sysaxed	so what?	01:21
kerio	Pali: his issue is that fmtx turns off after a bit if there's no playback	01:21
kerio	Sysaxed: as i said, play 4'33" in loop with Mediaplayer	01:21
kerio	:D	01:22
Sysaxed	but there is a playback... a perfect playback!	01:22
Sysaxed	kerio, yeah, that's what I'm going to try	01:22
Pali	maybe it will work	01:22
Pali	try	01:22
Pali	maemo auto system is very bad	01:22
Pali	libplayback, patched pulseadio, ohm, ohm plugins, libprolog, prolog plugins, pulseaudio policy, alsa policy, alsaped, ....	01:23
Pali	do not forget for cmtspeech, fmtx or bluez, ...	01:23
Pali	also dres	01:24
Pali	freemangordon, 76 kernel patches for 3.8-rc3 are here: https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/linux-n900/	01:25
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DocScrutinizer05	wirr: I don't thin k a full resume is needed, rather some info about your qualification and your relation to maemo, plus a statement what you think you can do and for how much	01:33
wirr	Pali: thanks, I was already using the new IP for wiki.maemo.org. still i can't find the possibility to register a new account or create a new page :-(	01:35
wirr	DocScrutinizer05, ATM I'm rather thinking of donating some time and money :) I already have a payed daytime job... so i'll contact the council by email	01:36
DocScrutinizer05	wirr, when I'm logged in I can create new pages the usual way. Haven't tried to register new account, for obvious reasons.	01:36
Pali	you need to register new account on garage.maemo.org	01:39
Sysaxed	kerio, default music player blocks music from cmus	01:39
Pali	I think that wiki using same login database	01:39
wirr	Pali: ah, thats the point, thanks	01:40
Sysaxed	so playing silence helps	01:40
Sysaxed	wtf	01:40
Sysaxed	hold on...	01:40
Pali	DocScrutinizer05 ^^ correct?	01:40
Sysaxed	wtf just happened	01:40
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: might be, I actually can't recall anymore	01:40
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, do you know what exactly is testserver doing in n900?	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	not exactly, might be jumpserver for login	01:41
Pali	/usr/bin/testserver	01:41
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DocScrutinizer05	oooh	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	on N900	01:41
Pali	DocScrutinizer05	01:42
DocScrutinizer05	it's errrr, NFC really	01:42
Pali	http://maemo.org/packages/view/testserver/	01:42
DocScrutinizer05	probably for preproduction or whatever	01:42
Pali	that daemon is starting in LOCAL or TEST mode	01:42
Pali	so is server application for phoenix?	01:42
DocScrutinizer05	TEST mode is only via test mode battery afaik	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	yup	01:43
Pali	no	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	basically, sth like that	01:43
Pali	phoenix can boot to test mode too	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	maybe	01:43
Pali	you have button for that	01:43
Sysaxed	OK	01:43
Sysaxed	oh no	01:43
Sysaxed	:C	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	I honestly never cared too much	01:43
Pali	can remove it? :-)	01:43
Pali	some free space on rootfs	01:43
DocScrutinizer05	on your own system you're for sure free to remove it	01:44
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	01:44
DocScrutinizer05	I'd be reluctant to remove it in e.g. CSSU unless we understand exactly why we don't need and don't want it anymore	01:44
Pali	btw, is there (on irc or tmo) somebody (ex)nokian which know maemo system?	01:45
DocScrutinizer05	hah, good question	01:46
DocScrutinizer05	I guess nobody living or dead meets that spec ;-D	01:46
DocScrutinizer05	it actually would be interesting who's been the system architects of maemo	01:47
Pali	yes, it should be interesting	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	I'd consider everything not written in the docs as lost knowledge	01:48
Pali	ari jaaksi?	01:48
DocScrutinizer05	rings a bell here	01:48
DocScrutinizer05	but I don't know if it's the system-architect bell it rings	01:49
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: (testserver) it might also be involved in NOLO flashing MyDocs	01:51
Pali	no, for flashing eMMC is used softupd	01:51
Pali	in UPDATE mode	01:51
DocScrutinizer05	among others, yes	01:51
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	01:52
DocScrutinizer05	I guess all that is a rather white area on maemo's map	01:52
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DocScrutinizer05	only those who been there know there be dragons	01:53
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ShadowJK	freemangordon, heh, crystaldiskmark claims 157.7 iops 4k rnd write for the adata card	02:23
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd?	02:42
* WizardNumberNext is late with last question		02:44
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Sicelo	lol, so SGS-II can't hot-swap the sd card, yet there is an 'Unmount SD card' option in storage settings, supposedly to allow you to remove sd card safely.	09:43
fastlane`	i didnt know safety shud be considered with sd cards also,	09:44
fastlane`	i always just pull it out from n900 without giving n900 any warning	09:44
fastlane`	:o	09:44
Sicelo	it should.. even maemo does it :P	09:45
fastlane`	really	09:45
fastlane`	so what happens behind the scenes when i'm pulling the card out without executing any commands	09:45
Sicelo	yes.. N900 does it for you though	09:45
fastlane`	umm, does it do this when the back cover is removed?	09:46
Sicelo	it senses as soon as you take back cover off, which is why sd card can't be seen without back cover on	09:46
fastlane`	:\|	09:46
fastlane`	ahh	09:46
fastlane`	cool	09:46
Sicelo	even symbian did that	09:46
fastlane`	hmmm	09:46
Sicelo	the funny thing is: why have that menu if the associated action can't be performed anyway, ll. then these people are the every ones who say Maemo looks unfinished/unpolished	09:48
Sicelo	meh, my typing is rubbish this morning	09:49
fastlane`	hmm, its ok	09:49
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DaReaper	Hi	09:50
fastlane`	well nothing in technology depresses me like this fact that maemo/meego didnt get too many devices	09:50
DaReaper	I'm having a strange issue with my phone	09:50
fastlane`	hi DaReaper	09:51
DaReaper	my 2G/3G network disconnects, shows a No sim symbol when i use GPRS	09:51
DaReaper	happens mostly when i connect my phone to my laptop via USB cable	09:51
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DaReaper	when i unplug the USB cable from either ends of the cable	09:51
DaReaper	the network goes	09:51
DaReaper	and reconnects after few seconds	09:51
DaReaper	also the network goes down when i use GPRS for more than 10 minutes	09:52
robbiethe1st	UM, if you're using the thing as a USB modem, why wouldn't it disconnect from the network?	09:52
DaReaper	the network itself goes off	09:52
DaReaper	2G/3G network	09:52
DaReaper	shows No signal/ No SIM symbol	09:53
DaReaper	the operator name goes away	09:53
DaReaper	too	09:53
DaReaper	and then i have to wait for it to find the network and connect	09:53
DaReaper	its annoying cause since the network goes down like that, my GPRS goes down	09:53
DaReaper	i can't browse	09:53
Sicelo	you either have a sucky operator, or bad location, or you cell-mo is on its way out (known issue)	09:53
DaReaper	But the bars on the signal are full	09:54
DaReaper	both for 2.5 G and 3.5 G	09:54
DaReaper	or 2G , 3G	09:54
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DaReaper	can you guys read this please http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=88643 I have my issue stated there properly	09:54
DaReaper	btw what's a cell-mo?	09:56
DaReaper	Oh and also this one more thing. When my phone's charging via laptop USB cable, and if i receive a message or call. Network goes away	09:59
DaReaper	the call cuts in middle	09:59
fastlane`	seems like a hw issue	10:00
DaReaper	hmm	10:00
DaReaper	Its weird cause my phone never fell down	10:00
fastlane`	try to get repaired maybe	10:00
DaReaper	or i never took it out of the house	10:00
DaReaper	Uhm what kind of hardware issue?	10:00
fastlane`	wow	10:00
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fastlane`	how long have u used this device	10:01
DaReaper	i bought it in 2009 december	10:01
DaReaper	i think	10:01
SpeedEvil	DaReaper: is this on edge?	10:01
DaReaper	Both on Edge and 3G	10:01
DaReaper	it fails	10:01
DaReaper	it shows 2.5 G always, so i think its edge	10:02
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DaReaper	Don't know what to do	10:13
DaReaper	i'll probably have to pay up and get it checked	10:13
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grummund	o/	10:20
DaReaper	wierd isn't it?	10:21
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grummund	added my Skype account to "VoIP and IM accounts" and availability is now showing me as Online, but how do i open a skype chat session or call?	11:15
grummund	ah. found the "Conversations" app for IM	11:19
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kerio	grummund: and you call with Phone, ofc	11:23
kerio	what do you think this is, android?	11:23
grummund	Phone only lets me dial numbers, guess i need to add a contact first	11:24
kerio	hm, i'm not sure how to call a username actually	11:24
kerio	but there should be a way	11:24
Corsac	kerio: in phone, when you have the numpad, you can select of you want to do a mobile call or something else	11:29
Corsac	(for example I have a SIP account configured)	11:29
Corsac	hmh, well, on N9 anyway	11:29
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Corsac	and there are letters on the numpad, but indeed I don't know how to enter them...	11:30
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kerio	with the keyboard, maybe? :)	11:31
grummund	yep :)	11:31
grummund	still haven't quite got the hang of things	11:33
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grummund	find myself tapping top-left multiple times until i get where i want to be	11:37
Corsac	kerio: not on n9 :)	11:38
kerio	Corsac: sucks2beu	11:38
Corsac	well, tbh, I don't use skype and for sip I usually call phone numbers anyway	11:39
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kerio	doesn't SIP use numbers, anyway?	11:41
grummund	sip seems to be working for me now, except sipgate is giving busy signal when called but i think that is a routing problem on the public network	11:41
grummund	and i found that using voipfone.net instead of voipfone.co.uk fixes the one-way audio problem	11:42
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thedead1440	when using skype the contacts are auto added to your contacts list so just choose a contact and make a Skype call or IM	11:45
freemangordon	thedead1440: :nod:	11:45
freemangordon	fremantle is contact-centric :). there is no skype, gtalk,facebook chat, whatever shitty apps there are on android	11:46
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thedead1440	harmattan too :p	11:46
freemangordon	sure	11:46
freemangordon	I thought it is about n900	11:47
grummund	shame it does not allow more than one skype account active at the same time	11:47
freemangordon	grummund: desktop skype does not allow either, at least the version I am usung	11:48
thedead1440	true even on the desktop you have to sign out first	11:48
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freemangordon	grummund: BTW install "Merge your duplicate contacts" plugin	11:49
freemangordon	will make your life easier to link all the different stuff	11:50
grummund	desktop version i have multiple instances running, but it was a hack.	11:50
freemangordon	grummund: we all know about it, but this is not the point	11:50
freemangordon	(runas ;) )	11:51
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thedead1440	its about integration; you don't want to be choosing a contact then deciding which account to call out from :D	11:51
thedead1440	or you need to find the contact is from which of your account and then call using that account	11:51
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freemangordon	thedead1440: BTW no "find contacts to merge" on HARM, ain't?	11:52
thedead1440	the options has a setting for Merge Contacts freemangordon :D	11:53
grummund	well if i go into Phone it does not show my skype contacts, is that what you mean?	11:53
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thedead1440	grummund: use the contacts app; you can toggle availability from the top menu too so as to filter IM contacts from rest	11:53
freemangordon	grummund: in phone choose "select contack"	11:54
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grummund	freemangordon: that's exactly what i did.	11:54
freemangordon	thedead1440: you go me wrong, I know you can merge by hand. on n900 there is contacts app plugin which searches through the DB and offers you merge candidates	11:55
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freemangordon	grummund: then choose the one you want to dial-out	11:55
freemangordon	make sure you are online on skype	11:56
thedead1440	freemangordon: same you click merge contacts and click refresh; it'll merge it for you but yeah it doesn't show you the whole list that its about to merge	11:56
freemangordon	thedead1440: aah, so it does it for you? nice	11:56
thedead1440	freemangordon: yup :) if you added an IM account too it usually will do an auto-merge or you click Refresh for the merge to happen	11:57
freemangordon	good	11:57
thedead1440	freemangordon: HARM is not as bad as you think :p	11:58
freemangordon	thedead1440: someone should port fremantle to n9/0 at last :D	11:58
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freemangordon	thedead1440: sure, but feels lacking	11:58
thedead1440	yup it would be good to have an alternative	11:58
grummund	freemangordon: Phone does not list skype contacts, Contacts does.	11:58
thedead1440	grummund: Phone lists Skype contacts but you can't make a Skype call unless such has been done before you can only make a SkypeOut call using the "Select contact" option	11:59
freemangordon	grummund: phone just list your contacts, you have to choose which one you want to tial	11:59
freemangordon	*dial	11:59
grummund	maybe i'm doing something wrong but Select Contact in the Phone app definitely does not list my skype contacts	12:00
freemangordon	also the other party have to be online too	12:00
grummund	except the ones i already have called.	12:01
freemangordon	grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This is what I use and find most useful	12:02
kerio	status is better	12:02
freemangordon	status?	12:02
freemangordon	oops, scratch that	12:03
kerio	online/busy/offline	12:03
freemangordon	not "ABC" but "Availability"	12:03
freemangordon	yep	12:03
freemangordon	kerio: it is called "Availability" with english as device language	12:04
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kerio	oic	12:04
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grummund	can i import contacts from a SIM card to use with SIP?	12:10
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freemangordon	in contacts app there is "get contacts" option in the menu	12:11
freemangordon	"copy from sim card" is your friend	12:12
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Lava_Croft	Aut2 / \| / \ \| \| / _____\|\| \ \| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\| (----` / ^ \ `---\| \|----`\| \| __ \| \\| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\ \ / /_\ \ \| \| \| \| \|_ \| \| . ` \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	.----) \| / _____ \ \| \| \| \|__\| \| \| \|\ \| \| `--' \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\|_______/ /__/ \__\ \|__\| \______\| \|__\| \__\| \______/	12:25
Lava_Croft	[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x	12:25
Lava_Croft	Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt	12:25
kerio	wat	12:25
Lava_Croft	1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too	12:25
Lava_Croft	1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.	12:25
Lava_Croft	1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful	12:25
Lava_Croft	1102 / \| / \ \| \| / _____\|\| \ \| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\| (----` / ^ \ `---\| \|----`\| \| __ \| \\| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\ \ / /_\ \ \| \| \| \| \|_ \| \| . ` \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	.----) \| / _____ \ \| \| \| \|__\| \| \| \|\ \| \| `--' \|	12:25
Lava_Croft	\|_______/ /__/ \__\ \|__\| \______\| \|__\| \__\| \______/	12:25
Lava_Croft	[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x	12:25
Lava_Croft	Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt	12:25
Lava_Croft	1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too	12:25
Lava_Croft	1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.	12:25
thedead1440	haha wtf?	12:25
Lava_Croft	1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful	12:25
Lava_Croft	1102 / \| / \ \| \| / _____\|\| \ \| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
kerio	mispaste, clearly	12:25
Lava_Croft	\| (----` / ^ \ `---\| \|----`\| \| __ \| \\| \| \| \| \| \|	12:25
kerio	huge mispaste	12:26
Lava_Croft	\ \ / /_\ \ \| \| \| \| \|_ \| \| . ` \| \| \| \| \|	12:26
Lava_Croft	.----) \| / _____ \ \| \| \| \|__\| \| \| \|\ \| \| `--' \|	12:26
kerio	goddammit where are the ops	12:26
Lava_Croft	\|_______/ /__/ \__\ \|__\| \______\| \|__\| \__\| \______/	12:26
Lava_Croft	[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x	12:26
Lava_Croft	Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ \| N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt	12:26
Lava_Croft	1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too	12:26
Lava_Croft	1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.	12:26
thedead1440	its non-stop mispaste :p	12:26
Lava_Croft	1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This	12:26
Lava_Croft	what I use and find most useful	12:26
kerio	Lava_Croft: u dun goof'd	12:26
Lava_Croft	putty fucked up somewhere	12:29
Lava_Croft	my apologies	12:29
Lava_Croft	That is some fucking horrible spam	12:29
grummund	Lava_Croft: which irc client?	12:29
Lava_Croft	irrelevant?	12:29
Lava_Croft	irssi over ssh	12:29
grummund	same here	12:29
freemangordon	Lava_Croft: mine asks me if I try to paste more than onle line	12:29
freemangordon	*one	12:29
grummund	configure irssi not to paste	12:29
kerio	we need moar ops, btw	12:30
Lava_Croft	or just forget about it since this happens about once a year	12:30
kerio	that's the kind of situation that gets instantly nullified by a kick	12:30
kerio	(not a punishment kick, mind you)	12:30
Lava_Croft	well, there's always people who feel the need to make something really big and nasty of something silly as a fucked up paste	12:30
grummund	paste_verify_line_count = "1";	12:30
kerio	also, never forgive, never forget	12:31
Lava_Croft	thats not the line	12:31
Lava_Croft	the line, its forgiven, but not forgotten	12:31
Lava_Croft	:)	12:31
kerio	maybe you forgive	12:31
kerio	i don't	12:31
Lava_Croft	You have your youthful brashness that blocks forgiveness	12:32
grummund	/set paste_verify_line_count 1	12:32
grummund	/save	12:32
Lava_Croft	oh, good news for MS	12:32
Lava_Croft	Samsung cancels US Windows RT tablets	12:32
freemangordon	Lava_Croft: is that really good news for M$?	12:32
Lava_Croft	why do people always write m$	12:33
Lava_Croft	apart from trying to be childish	12:33
Lava_Croft	and succeeding	12:33
freemangordon	that one :D	12:33
Lava_Croft	;)	12:33
kerio	cuz m$ is teh suxx0rz	12:33
grummund	yeah the correct spelling is micro$oft	12:33
Lava_Croft	It's 'good' news for MS as in that maybe people will forget about WindowsRT very soon:)	12:33
kerio	Lava_Croft: never forgive, never forget	12:33
freemangordon	maybe this is good for the people ;)	12:34
Lava_Croft	if never forgive never forget is the line i should go, it's probably time to burn down espoo hq	12:34
freemangordon	but I doubt it is good for micro$oft yet another big (biggest?) player getting rid of something wondoze	12:35
Lava_Croft	Try going to a big electronics store in your town and try to spot any Windows RT devices:)	12:35
Lava_Croft	They have the proper Windows8, why bother with RT	12:35
freemangordon	who? samsung?	12:36
Lava_Croft	anybody	12:36
Lava_Croft	manufacturers, resellers	12:36
Lava_Croft	customers	12:36
freemangordon	and who makes the difference?	12:36
Lava_Croft	in what way	12:36
freemangordon	even I cannot tell WTF is winrt and win8. mind you, I am still on XP on my desktop	12:37
Lava_Croft	winrt is windows on arm with a bit set that prohibits installing unsigned apps	12:37
Lava_Croft	thats basically the only difference with windows8	12:37
thedead1440	W8RT == Win8 for kids	12:37
freemangordon	Lava_Croft: I was not asking ;)	12:37
Lava_Croft	windowsrt can do the same stuff win8 can, its a proper port	12:37
thedead1440	Lava_Croft: Office for one keeps lagging on the Surface	12:38
freemangordon	as I don;t really care	12:38
Lava_Croft	what surface	12:38
Lava_Croft	RT or Pro	12:38
thedead1440	RT	12:38
Lava_Croft	maybe shit office port, idk	12:38
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Lava_Croft	iirc windowsrt is a fully functional windows8 port, only one thing is set that makes it so you can only install MS approved apps	12:38
thedead1440	yup	12:39
thedead1440	that has been hacked into though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092158	12:40
Lava_Croft	aye	12:40
Lava_Croft	last week	12:40
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: are you happy now :P? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314326#post1314326	12:40
Lava_Croft	hahaha	12:40
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Skry	:)	13:01
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kerio	ah crap, i deleted my gprs connection with gconftool	14:01
kerio	now i have to install a tool with a silly name to fix that :s	14:02
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Sicelo	can't create a new one?	14:10
kerio	nope	14:10
kerio	not without fapn	14:10
kerio	LOL FUNNY NAME	14:10
Sicelo	hmm, weird. i deleted my gprs connections, and never had to install fapn to fix it	14:11
kerio	i used my provider's autoconfiguration sms actually	14:11
kerio	much better	14:11
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wirr	kerio, sorry to bother you again, but do you know who to contact if account registration on garage doesn't work?	15:05
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd?	15:45
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Pali	I have it for rescueOS	15:46
WizardNumberNext	does it have backlight on?	15:46
WizardNumberNext	I used one without backlight on	15:46
WizardNumberNext	pain in ass	15:46
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Pali	WizardNumberNext: https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/linux-n900/	15:48
Pali	it has backlight support too	15:48
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Pali	this is with watchdog support	15:49
Pali	with my watchdogs binary for kicking	15:49
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Pali	so if rescueos freeze, HW will reboot device	15:49
Pali	note that there is problem with poweroff/reboot	15:49
Pali	without '-f' device will freeze	15:49
kerio	what's -f?	15:50
Pali	so wait until watchdog will kick	15:50
Pali	kerio, force	15:50
kerio	oic	15:50
Pali	do not run any script	15:50
Pali	tell to kernel to shutdown/reboot imediately	15:50
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Pali	I do not know if it umount anything	15:50
Pali	so first umount mmc/ubifs	15:50
Pali	and then call it	15:50
Pali	so wait until watchdog will reboot device (if is enabled)	15:51
Pali	by default kernel drivers disabling watchdogs	15:51
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: that's good info - appratiate it	16:03
WizardNumberNext	thank you very much, might get usefull	16:04
WizardNumberNext	Pali: did you try charging?	16:05
Pali	WizardNumberNext, yes but charger autodetection not working	16:05
Pali	go to /sys/class/power_supply/bq241*/	16:05
Pali	and do "echo host > mode" for usb charger	16:05
Pali	or "echo dedicated > mode" for wall charger	16:06
WizardNumberNext	and when I would plug wall charger?	16:06
WizardNumberNext	ok	16:06
Pali	to disable charging do "echo none > mode"	16:06
WizardNumberNext	as usual - very usefull	16:06
WizardNumberNext	seen somewhere this info, but reading twice = memorize better	16:07
Pali	you need to do this maunally, because isp charger detection driver still reporting no charger connected...	16:07
Pali	this is in kernel charging driver, you do not need any other script or userspace app	16:07
WizardNumberNext	oh, its up isp1707 - is it up to kernel module or simply it is not autoloaded for some reason?	16:07
WizardNumberNext	yeah, I can recognize path	16:08
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WizardNumberNext	on dying battery isp might quite big issue	16:10
WizardNumberNext	sometimes I plug charger just seconds before it dies	16:10
WizardNumberNext	I know it dies around 3.15-3.25v	16:10
WizardNumberNext	but it depends	16:10
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freemangordon	Pali: if I flash pr 1.3 on n950, will I lose my data?	16:12
Pali	I did not flashed 1.3, but I think yes	16:13
Pali	maybe you need also (re)flash mmc image (from pr1.2)	16:13
jon_y	Pali: are you the developer of RescueOS?	16:13
freemangordon	:(	16:13
Pali	jon_y, no	16:13
WizardNumberNext	I would love to get n950, do people actually sell them from tie to time?"	16:13
jon_y	oh ok, the info about wifi passwords need to be updated	16:14
jon_y	use /run/wlan.conf	16:14
kerio	well, there's some dude on TMO who has like four	16:14
jon_y	not /wlan.conf	16:14
Pali	~rescueOS	16:14
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/	16:14
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Pali	tell this to NIN101	16:14
jon_y	kerio: he came to brag? :(	16:15
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kerio	yep	16:15
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WizardNumberNext	I got my linux kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on server - work for now (and it does have powersave for 802.11 enabled by default and I use both SMPS and GF)	16:16
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kerio	jon_y: he's "n950" on tmo	16:18
kerio	he has a bunch of n9 prototypes too	16:18
jon_y	:(	16:18
jon_y	especially right after my n900 screen died	16:19
kerio	jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621 <- maximum bragging	16:19
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jon_y	I hope he steps on a lego	16:20
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* WizardNumberNext is hoping same		16:27
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WizardNumberNext	the hell 750 gbp - I could get one and half brand new sgs3	16:28
timmy	can i run mplayer on easy-debian to play a movie without any problem?	16:28
kerio	timmy: sure, if it's a low enough resolution and a simple enough codec	16:30
timmy	that bekuz the built-in version of mplayer in maemo doesn't show the rtl subtitles correctly	16:31
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Lava_Croft	oh, nokia issued an awesome fix for their https stealing browser	17:25
Lava_Croft	"This time they are tunneling HTTPS traffic over HTTP connection to their server"	17:25
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Corsac	Lava_Croft: that's because they got frightened by a non issue	17:29
Corsac	the original poster didn't have a clue about how everything works, apparently	17:29
ShadowJK	Sicelo; vanilla android has that option and it works. Probably samsung forgot to remove it. Though, I wonder if it would be a side effect of apps on uSD? Google said the reason they killed microsd slot was that they were fed up with OEMs making devices that have 100Megs free space for apps..	17:30
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Sicelo	it didn't come from installed apps. my dad didn't even have a uSD. i saw this yesterday when i gave him a 16GB card, only to be disappointed that you have to shut down the device in order to insert uSD	17:36
ShadowJK	wtf :)	17:38
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: "where are the ops?" is not the right way to call for chanop attention	17:47
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: yes, happy	17:47
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: only this poor new user obviously forgot to RTF*M	17:48
freemangordon	that's for sure :D	17:48
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it was incredibly situational, an op should've been there to do anything	17:50
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kerio	in the time it would've took for you to notice the nickping, see what was going on, get ops from chanserv and kick, the problem would've gone away anyway	17:50
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: usually not	17:54
DocScrutinizer05	get op:	17:55
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kerio	D:	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	kick_:	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	naaah	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	deop:	17:55
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DocScrutinizer05	see what's going on: 0.5s	17:56
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, are you using KMail?	17:59
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DocScrutinizer05	yep, why?	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	because akonadi?	18:03
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: ^^	18:13
Pali	I'm going to downgrade kdepim to akonadiless version	18:13
Pali	mysql database daemon eating 100MB	18:14
Pali	kontact eating another 150MB	18:14
Pali	+ akonadi kabc plugin has bug in threads which casuse deadlock	18:14
Pali	for applications which does not use akonadi but kabc	18:14
Pali	(for example kopete)	18:15
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, do you have old kmail1 or akonadi kmail2?	18:15
Pali	and kmail2 needs virtuoso for email searching	18:16
Pali	+ another 50MB	18:16
Pali	+ memory leaks in that shits...	18:17
tadzik	kmail2 is beyond hope	18:17
Pali	so for emails I need about 350 - 400 MB	18:17
Pali	which is stupid	18:17
kerio	2013, the year of linux on desktop	18:18
kerio	as long as you have 32gb of ram	18:18
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Pali	kerio, + 128 core CPU :-)	18:25
Pali	one core for one shit	18:25
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timmy	i have installed mplayer on easy-debian, when i want to play a movie, there is no sound. how can i fix it?	18:37
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ShadowJK	there something wrong with mplayer on maemo?	18:40
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Lava_Croft	time to quit the survey and start serving the hay	18:41
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Lava_Croft	When will it be the year of the Windows Server	18:42
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: yes, kmail2 is useless and fubar	18:53
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timmy	ShadowJK: no, i am going to run mplayer on easydebian	18:57
freemangordon	timmy: the point was - why not use maemo mplayer?	18:58
timmy	that because mplayer on maemo can't show hebrew/RTL subtitles correctly	18:59
ShadowJK	hm	18:59
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timmy	well, vlc worked perfect ^_^	19:11
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Pali	I do not belive, old kontact with all loaded modules eat only 64MB	19:57
Pali	nice RAM usage reduction -300MB :-)	19:58
SpeedEvil	remember.	19:59
SpeedEvil	RSS is a lie	19:59
SpeedEvil	http://www.selenic.com/smem/	19:59
SpeedEvil	though I think recent tops can do this too	20:00
Pali	SpeedEvil, memory is without shared (private per process)	20:01
Pali	-100MB for mysql daemon, -150 for kontact, -50MB for akonadi_imap_resource, - some memory leaks	20:02
SpeedEvil	k	20:02
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I tried to import mail from old kmail1 to kmail2, speed was like 1 mail per second	20:07
Pali	I did it 2 years ago	20:07
tadzik	(and it's still running)	20:07
Pali	but I did not do migration	20:07
DocScrutinizer05	the whole thing is seriously fekked up	20:07
Pali	I donwloaded messages from imap again	20:08
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Pali	I have full backup on gmail imap server	20:08
DocScrutinizer05	insatble and a hog for all that's precious	20:08
Pali	now I'm going to create git tree for akonadi less kdepim	20:08
Pali	full kdepim without akonadi	20:09
DocScrutinizer05	and nobody really likes it, search the internets for comments on kmail2, it's devastating	20:09
Pali	git repository was created: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdepim%2Fpali%2Fkdepim-noakonadi.git	20:09
Pali	I will push patches ASAP	20:09
tadzik	I once tried to search its bug list, bugs.kde.org crashed and said something about too many tickets ;)	20:09
Pali	it is based on 4.4 branch	20:09
Pali	with kaddressbook from 4.3 (which is akonadiless)	20:10
Pali	now downloading emails from imap again to new kmail :-)	20:10
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Pali	CPU usage: 0-1%	20:11
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: much appreciated, I tried to upgrade from kmail1.9.10 to sth like 1.12.x but seems that's not available for kde right now	20:11
Pali	mem usage 65MB	20:11
DocScrutinizer05	so my new kmail is way older than my old kmail	20:11
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, if you have any KDE4.4+ you can compile and use my version of kdepim	20:11
Pali	I'm using KDE4.9.4 and that kdepim seems working	20:12
Pali	(I have it installed in different root, so I have both kdepim versions)	20:12
Pali	kio_imap4 mem usage: 4.4MB	20:12
DocScrutinizer05	KDE4.7.2rel5	20:12
Pali	akonadi_imap_resource mem usage: 40MB	20:13
Pali	4 and 40MB it is real difference	20:13
Pali	mysql mem usage: 92MB	20:13
DocScrutinizer05	kdepim though is KDE3.5.10rel52	20:13
Pali	no mysql: 0MB usage :D	20:13
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I do not know if migration in kmail working	20:14
Pali	but importing maildir/mbox should work	20:14
DocScrutinizer05	I dafaq don't need nor want MySQL to handle my mails, that's braindamaged concept	20:14
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, me too :D	20:14
Pali	this is reason why I'm now trying this old kdepim	20:14
Pali	which is akonadi & mysql less	20:15
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Pali	kdepim changes pushed	20:22
Pali	http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkdepim%2Fpali%2Fkdepim-noakonadi.git	20:22
Pali	branch noakonadi	20:22
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, you can try to compile and install it to another root ^^^^	20:23
Pali	no akonadi, no nepomuk	20:23
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: could you share cmdline for dummies please :-D	20:31
Pali	compilation?	20:32
Pali	I run dpkg-buildpackage -b	20:32
Pali	but it should be simple on non debian too, there is cmake	20:32
DocScrutinizer05	git, (comilation), ((changed root, though I guess I don't need that))	20:32
Pali	$ git clone git://anongit.kde.org/clones/kdepim/pali/kdepim-noakonadi.git	20:33
Pali	$ git checkout noakonadi	20:33
Pali	then compilation:	20:33
Pali	$ mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..	20:33
Pali	$ make	20:33
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Pali	installation:	20:34
Pali	$ make install DESTDIR=/path/where/you/want/root	20:34
Pali	and starting:	20:34
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Pali	$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/root/lib/:/path/to/root/lib/kde4	20:35
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Pali	$ export KDEDIRS=/path/to/root:/usr	20:35
Pali	$ /path/to/root/usr/bin/kontact --nofork	20:35
Pali	this could work	20:35
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	20:36
Pali	change /usr to another path where is your KDE root	20:36
DocScrutinizer05	thanks	20:37
Pali	in KDEDIRS should be files in KDEDIRS/lib/	20:37
DocScrutinizer05	"receive objects: 15%..."	20:38
DocScrutinizer05	25% \o/	20:41
* DocScrutinizer05 feels strong urge to lart the fools who brought akonadi "idea" to KDEpim		20:42
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: why do you need /path/to/root/ resp why install in a different location? I honestly don't want to keep kde4.7 pim	20:50
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, that install/compile only parts which are in upstream with akonadi	20:50
Pali	and also I do not know how it going to work	20:51
Pali	I'm using it also with kdepim-upstream in /usr and my with in /home	20:51
DocScrutinizer05	jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git checkout noakonadi	20:52
DocScrutinizer05	fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent )	20:52
DocScrutinizer05	Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).	20:52
DocScrutinizer05	cough	20:53
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DocScrutinizer05	nfc	20:58
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: did you clone before that?	20:58
merlin1991	then it probably checked out into a subdir	20:58
DocScrutinizer05	jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/clones/kdepim/pali/kdepim-noakonadi.git	20:59
DocScrutinizer05	Cloning into kdepim-noakonadi...	20:59
DocScrutinizer05	remote: Counting objects: 645326, done.	20:59
merlin1991	see line 2 ;)	20:59
merlin1991	so cd there before issuing any other git commands	20:59
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DocScrutinizer05	dang, DSL down	21:01
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: in case you missed it, line 2 tells you the subdir where your local git copy ended up, cd there and issue any git commands in there	21:02
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DocScrutinizer05	thanks chanlog!	21:02
Pali	merlin1991, ok :-) after git clone is needed cd kdepim-noakonadi	21:02
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Pali	merlin1991, do you know how to get only last version from specified branch?	21:03
DocScrutinizer05	jr@halebop:~/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi> git checkout noakonadi	21:03
DocScrutinizer05	Branch noakonadi set up to track remote branch noakonadi from origin.	21:03
DocScrutinizer05	Switched to a new branch 'noakonadi'	21:03
Pali	instead clonning full repostory	21:03
tadzik	Pali: --depth=0 or so	21:03
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, nice :-)	21:03
Pali	tadzik, and how to specify branch?	21:03
Pali	then it clone only "master"	21:04
tadzik	hm, no idea	21:04
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tadzik	yeah	21:04
tadzik	maybe on git-fetch you can also give it --depth	21:04
Pali	there should be some magic for git fetch	21:04
tadzik	yep, seems so	21:04
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merlin1991	Pali: you can simply init an empty repo	21:04
merlin1991	and then git pull the branch you want	21:04
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DocScrutinizer05	what's that prefix to "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" ?	21:05
DocScrutinizer05	I gather that's the future destination?	21:05
merlin1991	yes	21:05
DocScrutinizer05	k	21:05
merlin1991	Pali: somehow like git init && git pull git pull $remoterepoaddress refs/heads/$branch	21:06
merlin1991	-git pull :D	21:06
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, no	21:07
Pali	it should be prefix where is KDE installed	21:07
Pali	not new prefix	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	umm, which one, I got several	21:07
Pali	(at least if I change prefix on ubuntu, cmake will not work and compilation failing)	21:07
merlin1991	huh I was pretty sure that prefix is prefixed to all paths for the generated "make install"	21:08
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Pali	use prefix where is your major kde4 libs	21:08
Pali	merlin1991, yes, but this is only half true	21:08
Pali	see DESTDIR	21:08
Pali	make install from cmake install to DESTDIR/PREFIX	21:09
Pali	and cmake using prefix for fiding all system libraries like KDE...	21:09
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DocScrutinizer05	/usr/lib64/libkdepim-copy.so.4 /opt/kde3/lib64/libkdepim.so.1	21:10
merlin1991	Pali: ah yeah the ususal we follow the sane way, almost	21:11
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, first is KDE4 /usr and second is KDE3 /opt/kde3	21:11
DocScrutinizer05	what is a 2major kdelib"?	21:11
Pali	you need to specify KDE4 prefix	21:11
Pali	so /usr	21:11
DocScrutinizer05	k	21:11
Pali	because this kdepim is kde4	21:12
DocScrutinizer05	without ".." after "/usr"	21:12
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DocScrutinizer05	sigh not even cmake	21:13
DocScrutinizer05	just a humble 3.5mb	21:14
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DocScrutinizer05	CMake Error: The source directory "/home/jr/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.	21:15
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DocScrutinizer05	oooh, now I get the ".."	21:16
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DocScrutinizer05	-- Enterprise build is disabled.	21:17
DocScrutinizer05	CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE):	21:17
DocScrutinizer05	ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in	21:17
DocScrutinizer05	/home/jr/.kde4/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps;/etc/kde4/share/apps	21:17
DocScrutinizer05	meh!	21:18
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merlin1991	hm either that file is really missing or your cmakemodulespath is foobar	21:19
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DocScrutinizer05	well, me got `locate` \o/	21:22
DocScrutinizer05	zilch	21:23
DocScrutinizer05	thought as much	21:23
DocScrutinizer05	since: how would that <file>.cmake exist in arbitrary paths when I installed cmake itself just 10min ago	21:24
DocScrutinizer05	so that's a "screwit" I guess. I'm not going to `cmake KDE`	21:25
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: usually -dev packages ship Find.cmake files	21:26
merlin1991	cmake itself does not contain them all	21:26
Snafu777	Does everyone in here pretty much vie for the CSSU?	21:27
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, you need development files for your KDE4	21:27
Snafu777	I want a package installed, but to use it, I must also use CSSU	21:27
Snafu777	Heh	21:28
Pali	check it with your distributions	21:28
Snafu777	Pali, it's your file actually	21:28
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: gonna ask zypper	21:28
merlin1991	Snafu777: well what do you want to install? :D	21:28
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: searching all filelists with regexp .indKDE4.cmake only delivered pkg "cmake" - which I installed	21:35
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Pali	FindKDE4Internal.cmake is part of kdelibs5-dev package on ubuntu	21:36
kerio	Snafu777: what do you mean?	21:36
Pali	I have it here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake	21:36
kerio	packages in maemo-extras shouldn't really depend on cssu without a good reason	21:36
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, make sure you have kdelibs dev installed	21:36
Pali	kerio, usbmode	21:37
Pali	but last version in git can be installed without cssu too	21:37
Pali	but then automount will not work...	21:37
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: there a zillion "kdedev"	21:38
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, kdelibs	21:38
DocScrutinizer05	libkdepimlibs4-devel?	21:40
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DocScrutinizer05	there's no kdelibs.dev.	21:41
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, please provide list of all ^kde.-dev.$ packages	21:42
Pali	and I will try to tell you	21:42
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DocScrutinizer05	http://paste.ubuntu.com/1528870/	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	kdepim4-devel maybe?	21:49
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Pali	no, kdepim4-devel is provided by me	21:50
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, what distrubution do you have?	21:51
Pali	better try ask google how to compile (any) kde4 app on your distribution	21:51
Pali	FindKDE4Internal.cmake is needed for any kde4 app	21:51
DocScrutinizer05	however not provided by any package, according to pkg filelists	21:53
DocScrutinizer05	toldya it's a nightmare	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	did I?	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	those bastards messed up stuff so thoroughly, I dunno whether to headdesk or rather bash their heads against a wall	21:54
DocScrutinizer05	akonadi devels - the men who killed linux desktop	21:56
DocScrutinizer05	honestly makes we wonder if I should downgrade to maybe CPM	21:57
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DocScrutinizer05	KDE4, the worst desktop ever	21:58
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: xmonad4lyfe	21:59
kerio	(not really, openbox)	22:00
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DocScrutinizer05	qt4 killed kde3, kde4 killed kdepim. So I guess it's "thank you very much QT! >:-("	22:00
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kerio	gtk is just better :P	22:01
merlin1991	xfce ftw	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, starts with 'g', been fekked ever since	22:02
merlin1991	though tbh I'd prefer awesome + a proper gtk theme	22:02
merlin1991	because nothing is worse than a supernice desktop + unthemed applications	22:02
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, ask google how to compile kde4 app for your distro	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I simply don't have that week	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	I'd probably rather switch to gentoo than learn how to build kde4 on opensuse	22:05
* Sicelo wonders if Luke-Jr is still doing work on N900+Gentoo		22:08
Luke-Jr	Sicelo: not actively much	22:08
Luke-Jr	just too busy with other crap :/	22:08
Luke-Jr	I probably need to reinstall my N900 entirely too	22:09
Luke-Jr	it goes weird too often	22:09
Sicelo	ok :-)	22:09
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RzR	hi	22:11
RzR	i am popping up to know what is the status of resources backup project ?	22:11
RzR	do u have a file of all directs links ?	22:12
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DocScrutinizer05	RzR: there's a list of backed up stuff on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/, however those are not generally public for download	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	there are other backup as well, which are for public download	22:15
kerio	heh, we backed up the nonglobal n900 repos?	22:16
DocScrutinizer05	e.g teotwaki's stuff at wedrop.it	22:16
RzR	yes	22:16
RzR	but a file of urls could be public isnt it ?	22:16
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DocScrutinizer05	of backed up URLs?	22:18
DocScrutinizer05	like that? http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/backed-up-sites-v1.txt	22:18
RzR	or resources that are about to get offline soon or later	22:18
RzR	yes but all files	22:18
RzR	not dirs	22:18
RzR	i am making one	22:19
DocScrutinizer05	err, what is that list listing?	22:19
RzR	all known files to be mirrored	22:19
DocScrutinizer05	to be, hmm	22:19
RzR	http://.../file	22:19
kerio	~pkg	22:19
infobot	rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/	22:19
RzR	etc	22:20
kerio	dammit flandry, y u no update mame	22:20
RzR	and let me suggest to aslo mirror qt sdks	22:20
DocScrutinizer05	well, we mirrored a lot already, and I guess nobody is going to do a diff or restart download of ~3TB of data with a new list	22:21
RzR	i just want a list	22:21
RzR	dont care of the content :)	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	you just said you are going to prepare such list	22:21
RzR	and no need to download it again	22:21
RzR	if it is already cached	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, I don't get what you suggest I should do	22:22
RzR	didnt say you should do anything	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	:shrug:	22:22
RzR	do you know about amiga TOSEC ?	22:22
RzR	like	22:23
RzR	http://www.tosecdev.org/index.php/news/releases/47-tosec-release-2012-04-23	22:23
RzR	those guys are doing amazing preservation efforts	22:23
RzR	starting to index every thing they could find for the amiga	22:23
RzR	I fell, we should do something similar	22:24
kerio	i thought about dowloading the tosec for some consoles, but they eventually degenerate in multi-tb effort that i'm not ready to put in	22:24
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DocScrutinizer05	I don't know what's the use of indexing	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	mirroring resp wget a backup, yes. index however...	22:26
RzR	what makes you think everything will be there ?	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, I still have a hard time in both answering your question as well as concluding anything I could do to help with backup project	22:30
RzR	ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/qtsdk/	22:31
RzR	went offline	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	i told you I and a few others which you already know did a backup effort	22:31
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DocScrutinizer05	if you want different format of the list of stuff we backed up, please let me or brkn know. If you found something that needs backup but isn't on our list yet, let brkn or me know. I don't know what else to say	22:33
RzR	i talked w/ brkn this morning	22:34
RzR	ok	22:34
brkn	RzR: which qt sdk version are you missing/looking for?	22:35
RzR	all of them :-)	22:35
RzR	no latest one should be enough	22:35
RzR	but i wanted to build a list of direct link to maintain	22:36
RzR	and track once resources go offline	22:36
brkn	well feel free to take all ressources i gave you earlier today + yours, compile a list, ping em back and i'll backup the new stuff	22:36
brkn	s/em/me	22:37
RzR	that sounds nice	22:37
DocScrutinizer05	we're a nice bunch :-)	22:37
RzR	how far are you in the process ?	22:37
brkn	how far? let's say atm 100%	22:38
brkn	unless you discover sth new	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	as mentioned before, the list i linked above is backed up completely	22:38
brkn	i covered everything from tmo backup htread + even more	22:38
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brkn	add your repo (1.1 gb) to the txt file i gave you earlier today	22:39
RzR	ok will do that now	22:39
RzR	but all obs would be good too	22:39
RzR	let's fire this	22:39
brkn	sure, whatever it takes to enable devs to continue support for n900 and n9	22:40
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DocScrutinizer05	though initially this project been to backup stuff that Nokia might fail to host eventually, but as long as we got space... :-)	22:40
brkn	DocScrutinizer05: we are still good on that	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	ok	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	then go ahead	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	I rather pay for used storage, than for unused one ;-)	22:41
brkn	ack	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	however keep an eye on our traffic limit please	22:42
brkn	don't worry	22:42
DocScrutinizer05	once we trip that, we need to manually reset it	22:43
brkn	all being monitored as you might be aware of	22:43
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	22:43
DocScrutinizer05	I even forgot if we got 5 or 10tb/mo	22:44
brkn	so RzR: you those https://qt-project.org/downloads mirrored too?	22:45
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brkn	i did not mirror them until now because i thought as those no more belong to nokia, downloads won't go offline anytime soon	22:46
brkn	21:39 <RzR> but all obs would be good too >> can you be more specific about that please?	22:48
RzR	build.pub.meego.com	22:49
RzR	I can mirror sources hosted over there	22:49
brkn	ok	22:54
brkn	please do so then	22:54
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RzR	back	22:58
DocScrutinizer05	we're not discouraging anybody from mirroring whatever they like, it's just we need one "official" reference that's somewhat "guarnteed" that it's not been tampered with. I hope I can help with that issue, in my position as maemo councilor	23:01
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, now I created deb packages and installed kdepim to system	23:05
Pali	after some patches it working fine	23:05
Pali	I will update git tree...	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, I wonder if I might use those .deb	23:06
RzR	Pali, are we synching garage to gitorious also ?	23:06
Pali	RzR, no	23:06
Pali	there was only one import	23:06
RzR	ok	23:06
RzR	that one	23:06
RzR	gitorious.org/+maemo	23:06
Pali	RzR, if you want I can give you scripts for import	23:07
RzR	thx best would be to create a project for that :)	23:07
Pali	scripts clonning all garage repos and pushing it to gitorious	23:07
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, if you want I can give you amd64 tarball of my kdepim-noakonadi root	23:08
DocScrutinizer05	dang, garage is a friggin monster of dunnowhat mailing lists, cvs, git, bla	23:08
RzR	I may use them to sync obs to git too	23:08
Pali	but it is compiled against 4.9.4	23:08
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	23:09
DocScrutinizer05	will most probably not work here	23:09
Pali	then you need to compile it yourself	23:10
Pali	binaries still depends on akonadi library, because I was not able to remove some code	23:10
Pali	but depends only on library	23:10
Pali	akonadi server can be deleted	23:10
Pali	also now I see that compilation is very tricky	23:11
Pali	you need any compiled version of kdepim for compiling my version of kdepim	23:11
Pali	because for compilation is needed libkleo and that library chaning ABI very often	23:12
Pali	so I decided to use system libkleo and compile my kdepim against system	23:12
Pali	instead recompiling all system apps which depends on libkleo...	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	what I said, a nightmare	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	there must be a reason that nobody has done it yet for opensuse, otherwise I'd think you should find some package to install, on http://software.opensuse.org/122/en for kdepim or kmail	23:21
Pali	I will push dsc/deb packages to my repository on launchpad	23:21
Pali	so debian/ubuntu users will be able to easily install them	23:21
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, what distribution do you have?	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	Opensuse12.x	23:22
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DocScrutinizer05	21.1	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	12.1	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	>>home:Vajsravana4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< kinda sounds promising	23:26
DocScrutinizer05	>>home:steffens:kmail1 4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< even	23:27
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, you really do not want any kdepim package >= 4.4	23:28
DocScrutinizer05	if only I knew, since it's kinda absolutely obscure what kmail versio is in which kontact version	23:29
Pali	http://yuenhoe.com/blog/2011/07/dealing-with-cmakemodulesfindkde4internal-cmake-not-found/	23:29
Pali	^^^	23:29
Pali	first link in google for "opensuse 12.1 FindKDE4Internal.cmake"	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: thanks :-)	23:30
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, but wait with compilation	23:31
Pali	I will push new changes to git	23:31
Pali	kaddressbook in git not working in kontact (only as stanalone application)	23:31
Pali	I fixed it and now trying to create non conflicts debian packages...	23:32
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brkn	RzR: you were right - i still needed the sdks. mirrored http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html now	23:35
brkn	with all downloads	23:35
RzR	99%	23:36
RzR	i'll make your status decrease to 1%	23:36
brkn	lol	23:36
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RzR	https://www.google.fr/search?q=QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run&aq=f&oq=QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run&sugexp=chrome,mod=0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run%22+%22index+of%22&oq=%22QtSdk-offline-linux-x86_64-v1.2.1.run%22+%22index+of%22&gs_l=serp.3...6629.9143.1.9353.11.11.0.0.0.0.95.999.11.11.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.-VALOj4CTzE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.ZG4&fp=4ba50	23:38
RzR	83b210eb6fb&biw=780&bih=361	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I don't think this will give me any more fun...	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	Could NOT find KdepimLibs (missing: KdepimLibs_CONFIG) (Required is at	23:38
RzR	http://mirror.linux.or.id/qt/	23:38
DocScrutinizer05	least version "4.3.85")	23:38
RzR	should be the same	23:38
RzR	i'll double check	23:38
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, you need to install kdepimlibs devel	23:39
brkn	check md5	23:39
brkn	besides	23:39
RzR	yes	23:39
Pali	try to check your package manager	23:39
brkn	mac 64 bit offline missing	23:39
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RzR	who cares =P	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: anything kdepim*devel needs akonadi-runtime which needs libboost-program-options which isn't available. Honestly this sucks and I guess will cost me one week as I anticiapetd	23:45
brkn	well i do.	23:45
brkn	for the sake of completeness	23:45
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Pali	bad distribution...	23:45
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RzR	ftp://ftp.qt.nokia.com/	23:50
RzR	http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/	23:50
RzR	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/	23:50
RzR	http://maemo.merlin1991.at/	23:50
RzR	i am wondering how many TB is all this ?	23:50
brkn	i offered you a tree with folder sizes	23:51
brkn	atm ~ 1100 gb	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	RzR: we for sure don't want to mirror http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/, since it's mirroring mirrors which we already got the original source	23:52
brkn	+ it's incomplete	23:53
NeutrinoPower	I am trying to connect a keyboard on my n900 with the host-mode-enabler application but the keyboard blink only one time	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	RzR: in the end we don't want to mirror every existing mirror, since that would include our own mirror as well ;-)	23:53
RzR	you see my motivation to index all that	23:54
RzR	btw http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin	23:54
RzR	those are direct links	23:54
brkn	so RzR?	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not averse to get a backup of my maemo.cloud-7.de ;-)	23:54
kerio	NeutrinoPower: what's host-mode-enabler? :o	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	not sure about merlin's stuff	23:55
brkn	already have them all	23:55
RzR	:)	23:55
brkn	all tar.gz'ed	23:55
NeutrinoPower	h-e-n	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	hostmode-easy-now ;-)	23:56
kerio	NeutrinoPower: do you have an appropriate kernel?	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	don't ask me why I couldn't com eup with a better name for it	23:56
NeutrinoPower	power-user-kernel	23:57
kerio	you mean kernel-power	23:57
* Snafu777 <~~~ Currently testing out KP51.... Not bad so far		23:57
kerio	it should work	23:57
NeutrinoPower	yes	23:57
kerio	NeutrinoPower: do you, by any chance, have some sort of bme replacement installed?	23:57
NeutrinoPower	I don't know, what is bme?	23:58
brkn	RzR: this is the list: http://pastebin.com/nL4fSbgz	23:58
brkn	762 gb uncompressed	23:58
brkn	sure you can get all firmwares, but i dropped < pr 1.3 versions	23:58
brkn	wastes way too much space	23:58
NeutrinoPower	I have also an simple USB-A to USB-A socket adapter	23:59
DocScrutinizer05	brkn: could you provide updated list for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/backed-up-sites.txt	23:59
brkn	DocScrutinizer05: sure, folders only or also files?	23:59
brkn	with or without sizes?	23:59

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