IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-01-13

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WizardNumberNextand I didn't pay 1200GBP for my desktop00:00
WizardNumberNextbarely over 1/3 of that price tag00:00
CorsacWizardNumberNext: more people than Linux, actually :)00:00
WizardNumberNextbecause they do not know about existence of anything else then Window$ and O$ X00:01
* kerio paid 2300€ for his macbook pro00:02
keriohaters gonna hate00:02
WizardNumberNextlook - I do not have to spend whole week to install my software, not to mention drivers, do noit have tpo spend ages to pull software of the net and do not have to pay single pence for my software00:02
WizardNumberNextkerio: you must be joking me00:03
WizardNumberNextwhat sort of CPU and RAM do you have there?00:03
kerioWizardNumberNext: you must be poor00:03
WizardNumberNext4x opteron 62xx?00:03
freemangordonluf: ofc, CSSU needs you :)00:04
WizardNumberNextfor that price tag I would have 2x Opteron 62xx + 64GiB of RAM00:04
kerioWizardNumberNext: not with 8 hours of battery life00:04
freemangordonthough you may administer in the time you take rest from bluez and such :P00:04
WizardNumberNextI am not poor, I am reasonable - I do not spend 5x more for same class CPU and 3x for same damn RAM00:04
kerioWizardNumberNext: on the other hand, LAPTOP00:05
kerio(besides, mine is about 5 years old now)00:05
WizardNumberNextI have almost best CPU of the line and 8GiB of RAM - price - just slightly over 400GBP00:05
kerioi'm sure of it00:06
WizardNumberNextwhere PSU costed me 80GBP00:06
keriohow long does it stay on without plugging it in?00:06
WizardNumberNextmine is dated last year00:06
WizardNumberNextwiothout pluggin in?00:06
WizardNumberNextI do not like laptops00:06
WizardNumberNextfor one reason00:07
WizardNumberNextin last year I had: 5 motherboards, 2 cpu, 2/4/8GiB of RAM, 3 PSUs00:08
WizardNumberNextall of it was tested and if I didn't like it I changed it00:08
WizardNumberNextchange your PSU in laptop!00:08
kerioi already did, under warranty00:09
WizardNumberNextP.S. welcome to Apple world - everything is really integrated and you cannot change anything, and even if you can, then you either void warranty or pay for it00:09
keriobecause the plug that connects to the laptop side was broken00:09
WizardNumberNextit is not PSU of Laptop00:09
WizardNumberNextit is just general PSU00:09
WizardNumberNextI mean PSU-PSU00:10
WizardNumberNextnot just single volt PSU00:10
keriooh, the battery then00:10
HurrianWizardNumberNext: OS X is nice, when not running on Apple hardware.00:10
WizardNumberNextyou have whole PSU in laptop00:10
WizardNumberNext12v, 5v, 3.3v00:10
Hurrianalso, holy crap, 5 mobos and 2 cpus in a year?00:11
kerioHurrian: no it's not, mountain lion is a piece of crap00:11
WizardNumberNextIHurrian: I was curious for while, but, when I seen how much I need to do to run it on AMD Phenom II...00:11
luffreemangordon: :D Yes I still sleep several hours per day.00:11
WizardNumberNextso lion is crap as well00:11
keriolion is crap too, yes00:12
Hurrianah, an AMD system. Man, if that was an Intel system, that would probably bankrupt me.00:12
keriosnow leopard is the last good one, pretty much :s00:12
freemangordonluf: what a waste :D00:12
kerioluf: disregard sleep, acquire coffee00:12
infobotkerio meant: luf: disregard sleep, acquire meth00:12
WizardNumberNextkerio: I would disagree - last one was leopard - and that is for single reason00:12
WizardNumberNextit run on PPC00:12
Hurriankerio: meh, I spend most of my time in nano, Xcode, Firefox and VMWare, and launch programs using Alfred, so I avoid the horrible Launchpad00:13
Hurrianthe big draw to me using OS X is Mission Control, which on a single-screen system is a lifesaver00:13
kerioexcept that nobody was able to make a G5 that didn't require a nuclear fusion reactor to run00:13
kerioso that made it kinda hard to have good laptops00:14
WizardNumberNextok, IBM never meant 74xx for laptop00:14
WizardNumberNextsorry 97x00:14
WizardNumberNextit was motorola job to make laptop ones00:15
WizardNumberNextand motorola quited AIM00:15
WizardNumberNextso onlyu AI left00:15
WizardNumberNextthen Aplle kicked out IBM so only A left00:15
kerioit's a damn shame, yeah :s00:16
WizardNumberNextthat's shame they kicked them out00:16
WizardNumberNextnow Apple would have Cell 9i00:16
WizardNumberNextor something even better00:16
kerioi wonder what would've happened if apple moved to ARM instead00:17
HurrianWizardNumberNext: Cell chips need TWO nuclear fusion reactors to run!00:17
WizardNumberNextand left? Then ARM would second to best!00:17
WizardNumberNextHurrian: who told you that00:17
WizardNumberNextfull Cell 8i is in PS300:18
kerioWizardNumberNext: no, i mean, instead of moving to x8600:18
HurrianWizardNumberNext: High TDP of PS3 CPU, and it's only single-core.00:18
keriobut i don't know what was the status of arm when they made the switch00:18
WizardNumberNextkerio: that is what I meant, Apple moving to ARM and leaving it.00:18
WizardNumberNextHurrian: single-core? What? It is full Cell 8i - 8SPE + 1 PPE00:19
HurrianI was talking about the PPC core inside the Cell.00:19
WizardNumberNextwhere do you get your info from?00:19
WizardNumberNextSPE is PPC!00:19
HurrianAlright, so, go run Linux kernel process threads in it.00:20
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HurrianIt's impractical to do so, because of the crazy mailbox/local store structure, and the fact that they're more suited to running numerical compute kernels a la CUDA00:21
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WizardNumberNextit is like pure AltiVec core00:21
WizardNumberNextHurrian: show me Linux kernel, which is able to run on more then one core at once!00:22
WizardNumberNextit is monolitic kernel and it runs on one core00:23
HurrianIndeed. IMO, Sony should've rode the tide with the PS3, developed a quad-PPC core chip, and not bothered with an SPE00:23
WizardNumberNextthen you do not need more, then one core for it00:23
WizardNumberNextSony had no voice about design of Cell! It is IBM creation!00:24
HurrianThey ordered the chips.00:24
WizardNumberNextthats right, they ordered chips, not designed them00:24
keriothey ordered 10M chips00:25
keriothey could've asked for whatever they wanted, really00:25
WizardNumberNextnubmer of them doesn't make any frickin difference00:25
WizardNumberNextit still would be designed by IBM00:25
kerioyes, but you can ask for specific features if you're sony00:25
WizardNumberNextand for game console you need a lot of SPEs00:26
WizardNumberNextyes, they did00:26
ShadowJKIn Linux 2.2 there was the "Big Kernel Lock", which made kernel on all other cores/processors stop if one cpu accessed any complex data structure. In 2.4, 2.6 and 3.x it's pretty darn fine grained though00:26
WizardNumberNextthey asked for 7 SPEs00:26
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: as far as I remember, they removed BKL totaly00:27
WizardNumberNextwhich doesn't mean, that plain kernel thread could be run on more then one core00:27
WizardNumberNextit is all about helpers00:27
WizardNumberNextbut pure kernel is unsplitable00:28
WizardNumberNexteven macro-kernel is unsplitable00:28
HurrianWizardNumberNext: IIRC, from the PS3 prototypes, 8 SPEs were planned, but to cut costs on the already ~$1000 PS3 they accepted partially defective ones00:28
ShadowJKA single thread rarely runs on more than one cpu :-)00:28
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: you know what I meant00:29
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Hurriannowadays the newer PS3s usually have the Cell chips perfectly manufactured, and they can probably be safely enabled.00:29
WizardNumberNextfs, drivers and so on can run wherever00:29
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WizardNumberNextHurrian it is valuable info, maybe I would get one and set up some 'super computer' on it00:30
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ShadowJKWizardNumberNext, and what's left after you remove fs, drivers etc00:30
WizardNumberNextbut wait RAM is crap there - it is too small for anything sewrious00:30
DocScrutinizer51wirr: there is no info on tmo about details for master sysop of consider of it as 2 dedi servers running ~12 VMs00:31
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HurrianWizardNumberNext: I run kernel 3.7 on mine, the SPE guides on IBM are a good start00:31
WizardNumberNextmemory handling, process management, ...00:31
HurrianAnd regarding the RAM, just swap on the VRAM block device00:31
WizardNumberNextdo not remember all at the moment, but there are 400:31
DocScrutinizer51wirr: needed time is sth the sysop needs to tell me, not I tell sysop00:32
HurrianIt's XDR, so it's quite a lot faster than DDR3. You're still limited to 512MB RAM though.00:32
WizardNumberNextHurrian: knowing what RAM is supported, which won't be easy to find out00:32
DocScrutinizer51I guess you'll need 30min/day minimum, watchin nagios/munin/whatever, syslogs, CERT alerts etc00:33
HurrianWizardNumberNext: the PPC CPU has access to 256MB of RAM, and you can swap on the 256MB of VRAM (since there is no accelerated 3D video driver for the PS3)00:33
DocScrutinizer51if you know your business00:33
WizardNumberNextyou can swap it as long as you know what is supported00:34
WizardNumberNextthere is bit more then plain mbits per chip00:34
HurrianWizardNumberNext: Now that gives you 512MB of fast memory, outside of that you'll have to swap to HDD, which is incredibly, unbearably, slow on the PS3 because of the HDD encryption/decryption chip00:34
DocScrutinizer51wirr: initially you'll need more time setting things up and making familiar with stuff00:34
wirrDocScrutinizer05, as far I get from the councils post, the goal is to have a full team of sysops, right?00:35
WizardNumberNextlike bitness of RAM, like its organization and its low-level organization00:35
ShadowJKWizardNumberNext, ignoring the helper threads, the kernel isn't some process that's always running. It's more like event-driven pieces of code running with the highest priviledges. When a page fault happens, the cpu core on which it happened jumps into kernel code and starts executing the memory management stuff, and schedules another process to be run on that core. When an interrupt happens, the core that interrupt was routed to gets to handle it. The pr00:35
ShadowJKocess doesn't get moved to core 0 or anything00:35
DocScrutinizer51wirr: yes, the plan is to have one professional master sysop, and find as many maintainers for services as possible to delegate stuff00:36
WizardNumberNextI know ShadowJK, I know that for quite long time, it is purely easy answer to SPE problem - you cannot run kernel there, but who cares - kernel doesn't run all the time anyway00:37
DocScrutinizer51you can't run stuff with a crew of 30 peer sysops00:37
WizardNumberNextbtw interrupt handling is another one00:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: will sysop be paid?00:37
ShadowJKWell it's also that the thing is deprived of any meaningful I/O to manage :-)00:37
DocScrutinizer51will take more time for coordination overhead than anything else00:38
DocScrutinizer51freemangordon: dependsa00:38
WizardNumberNextand I/O handling00:39
DocScrutinizer51we probably prefer to pay a small amount, and have proper responsibility and liability00:39
DocScrutinizer51afk, sorry00:39
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer51: what have to have sysop?00:39
WizardNumberNextor otherwise, how much I have learn?00:40
wirrDocScrutinizer05, I agree, the team has to be small enough to stay agile00:40
WizardNumberNexts/have learn/have to learn/00:41
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: or otherwise, how much I have to learn?00:41
wirrbut still large enough to allow people to do their tasks reliable besides their day jobs00:41
infobotwirr meant: but still large enough to allow people to do their tasks reliably besides their day jobs00:41
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WizardNumberNextgoing for some water00:42
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: I bought the card today and it is still in my devel device00:45
wirrDocScrutinizer05, is a full resume expected with the application?00:45
wirrcan someone tell me why i can't create a new page on the new wiki?00:46
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: but afaik there should be no problem with UHS cards(besides the speed will not be more than lats say 20MB/s)00:46
wirrfreemangordon, WizardNumberNext: I'm getting seq. read of up to 18MB/s and seq. write of approx 8.5MB/s with UHS-100:48
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: 20MB/s I would love it. At the moment I cannot seam to get decent speed of neither SD nor MMC. Barely 1.5MiB/s. But I am using data=journal, which efectively halfs speed00:49
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keriodata=writeback nobarrier or you're a wuss00:50
WizardNumberNextkerio data=journal - it minimizes data lost00:51
kerioas i said, wuss :P00:51
WizardNumberNextif you would loose 400GiB of DATA you would do everything to prevent it from happening again00:52
kerioyou can't lose important data00:52
kerioif it was important, you'd have backups00:52
WizardNumberNextnow I have00:52
keriodata=journal isn't a backup!00:52
WizardNumberNextbut I am not makeing backup of n900 everyday00:52
freemangordonwirr: 15 MB/s here, depending on the block size(dd that is). but that card impresses with random i/o, at least so far00:52
kerioevery day is a bit too much, but once every three or four days is recommended00:53
WizardNumberNextit is not backup, but it helps to keep data00:53
kerioit takes so little effort00:53
WizardNumberNextas data is written first00:53
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: I am talking about raw speed, not fs00:53
WizardNumberNextI think I might import my backup script00:54
kerioWizardNumberNext: just install backupmenu00:54
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon, then I should expect something close to 20mb/s00:54
WizardNumberNextI have backupmenu00:54
keriolive backups won't really work00:54
WizardNumberNextbut backupmenu doesn't make backup automaticaly to all my server drives at once00:55
keriooh i thought you meant on the n90000:55
WizardNumberNextI meant on my n90000:55
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keriooh, *to* the servers00:55
WizardNumberNextI run NAS on server00:55
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keriobackupmenu then usb mass storage and copy the tarballs00:55
kerioso you can bzip2 on a computer with a real cpu00:56
WizardNumberNextyes, to server, as 10 drives is 10 times bigger data security, then one SD card00:56
ShadowJKWizardNumberNext, try increase the commit time to something crazy like 300 seconds00:56
ShadowJKIn general though, I'd say that all sorts of data integrity cleverness is completely foiled by SD behaviour... to the point that for example running fsck on SD can make matters far worse than they are00:56
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: that is actually better, then data=journal00:56
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ShadowJKIt's commit=1 in Maemo, to maximize interactivity00:57
WizardNumberNextshit, I have ext4 on SD00:57
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ShadowJKext4 does much better than ext3, which does much better than ext2, as far as speed goes00:57
WizardNumberNextoh, speed-wise ext4 is a king00:58
ShadowJKSomething about its access patterns being different00:58
WizardNumberNext\I was running resierfs3 for years and years, few weeks after ext4 went into kernel I started to use ext4 and it is far faster, then reiserfs and doesn't have problem with reiserfs loopback on reiserfs parition00:59
kerioext4 lacks in spouse-killing, though01:00
ShadowJKnilfs2 would probably be fastest fs for SD right now01:00
fastlane`that was horrible01:00
WizardNumberNextneed to compare features though01:01
fastlane`spouse killing :(01:01
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Sysaxedtrying to broadcast music with fm transmitter. I can hear beep sound every 5 seconds and then it turns off after a minute. I'm not using the default music player, I'm using cmus. It thinks that there's no audio playing, that's why it beeps and then turns off. How can I make it accept cmus sounds?01:07
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Sysaxedhow come the sound from default music player is different from the sound from cmus?01:11
kerioyou need libplayback or something like that01:12
PaliSysaxed, yes you need to use libplayback library for that01:15
Sysaxeduhhh, I can simply install it?01:15
Palithat library is closed and poor documented01:15
Palilook at OMP code how is using01:15
PaliSysaxed, you need to add libplayback support to your sound application01:15
freemangordonPali: did 3.8 boot?01:15
SysaxedPali, well, cmus is not my application :))01:15
wirrseriously guys, how can i create a new page on the wiki? there seems to be no way to register for a new account...01:15
Palifreemangordon, rescueOS yes01:15
freemangordonwow, great01:15
keriowith fbcon?01:16
Palialso usb network woking01:16
keriothat's good01:16
* freemangordon guesses Pali don;t expect fremantle to boot :D01:16
keriowhat about wifi?01:16
kerioor... hm01:16
keriothe uSD?01:16
kerioand emmc01:16
SysaxedPali is there any hack? Maybe I can fake some sound playing?01:16
kerioSysaxed: play 4'33" on mediaplayer01:17
infoboti heard interim-dns is " and"01:17
Paliwirr ^^^^01:17
Palikerio, wifi was not tested, but wl1251 driver was autoloaded01:18
PalieMMC was not detected01:18
keriois omap_hsmmc not in mainline?01:18
Palis/eMMC/internal slot/01:18
infobotPali meant: internal slot was not detected01:18
Paliand external slot was detected, but inserted SD card not :-(01:18
freemangordonkerio: it should be, I guess some configuration01:18
Paliomap hs mmc driver is in upstream01:19
keriohm, does the upstream driver deal with the backcover sensor too? and how?01:19
PaliSysaxed, libplayback is needed01:19
Palithere is no other good solution for that01:19
Palikerio, yes01:20
Paliit show me that cover is closed01:20
kerioPali: maybe some program that does a dummy playback01:20
kerioso you can then do whatever you want with non-libplayback-aware programs01:20
Sysaxedkerio, yeah, that's what I'm asking about01:21
Palikerio, not possible01:21
Palisound from system (like events) are high priority01:21
Sysaxedso what?01:21
kerioPali: his issue is that fmtx turns off after a bit if there's no playback01:21
kerioSysaxed: as i said, play 4'33" in loop with Mediaplayer01:21
Sysaxedbut there is a playback... a perfect playback!01:22
Sysaxedkerio, yeah, that's what I'm going to try01:22
Palimaybe it will work01:22
Palimaemo auto system is very bad01:22
Palilibplayback, patched pulseadio, ohm, ohm plugins, libprolog, prolog plugins, pulseaudio policy, alsa policy, alsaped, ....01:23
Palido not forget for cmtspeech, fmtx or bluez, ...01:23
Palialso dres01:24
Palifreemangordon, 76 kernel patches for 3.8-rc3 are here:
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DocScrutinizer05wirr: I don't thin k a full resume is needed, rather some info about your qualification and your relation to maemo, plus a statement what you think you can do and for how much01:33
wirrPali: thanks, I was already using the new IP for still i can't find the possibility to register a new account or create a new page :-(01:35
wirrDocScrutinizer05, ATM I'm rather thinking of donating some time and money :) I already have a payed daytime job... so i'll contact the council by email01:36
DocScrutinizer05wirr, when I'm logged in I can create new pages the usual way. Haven't tried to register new account, for obvious reasons.01:36
Paliyou need to register new account on garage.maemo.org01:39
Sysaxedkerio, default music player blocks music from cmus01:39
PaliI think that wiki using same login database01:39
wirrPali: ah, thats the point, thanks01:40
Sysaxedso playing silence helps01:40
Sysaxedhold on...01:40
PaliDocScrutinizer05 ^^ correct?01:40
Sysaxedwtf just happened01:40
DocScrutinizer05Pali: might be, I actually can't recall anymore01:40
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, do you know what exactly is testserver doing in n900?01:41
DocScrutinizer05not exactly, might be jumpserver for login01:41
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DocScrutinizer05on N90001:41
DocScrutinizer05it's errrr, NFC really01:42
DocScrutinizer05probably for preproduction or whatever01:42
Palithat daemon is starting in LOCAL or TEST mode01:42
Paliso is server application for phoenix?01:42
DocScrutinizer05TEST mode is only via test mode battery afaik01:43
DocScrutinizer05basically, sth like that01:43
Paliphoenix can boot to test mode too01:43
Paliyou have button for that01:43
Sysaxedoh no01:43
DocScrutinizer05I honestly never cared too much01:43
Palican remove it? :-)01:43
Palisome free space on rootfs01:43
DocScrutinizer05on your own system you're for sure free to remove it01:44
DocScrutinizer05I'd be reluctant to remove it in e.g. CSSU unless we understand exactly why we don't need and don't want it anymore01:44
Palibtw, is there (on irc or tmo) somebody (ex)nokian which know maemo system?01:45
DocScrutinizer05hah, good question01:46
DocScrutinizer05I guess nobody living or dead meets that spec ;-D01:46
DocScrutinizer05it actually would be interesting who's been the system architects of maemo01:47
Paliyes, it should be interesting01:47
DocScrutinizer05I'd consider everything not written in the docs as lost knowledge01:48
Paliari jaaksi?01:48
DocScrutinizer05rings a bell here01:48
DocScrutinizer05but I don't know if it's the system-architect bell it rings01:49
DocScrutinizer05Pali: (testserver) it *might* also be involved in NOLO flashing MyDocs01:51
Palino, for flashing eMMC is used softupd01:51
Paliin UPDATE mode01:51
DocScrutinizer05among others, yes01:51
DocScrutinizer05I guess all that is a rather white area on maemo's map01:52
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DocScrutinizer05only those who been there know there be dragons01:53
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ShadowJKfreemangordon, heh, crystaldiskmark claims 157.7 iops 4k rnd write for the adata card02:23
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WizardNumberNextPali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd?02:42
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Sicelolol, so SGS-II can't hot-swap the sd card, yet there is an 'Unmount SD card' option in storage settings, supposedly to allow you to remove sd card safely.09:43
fastlane`i didnt know safety shud be considered with sd cards also,09:44
fastlane`i always just pull it out from n900 without giving n900 any warning09:44
Siceloit should.. even maemo does it :P09:45
fastlane`so what happens behind the scenes when i'm pulling the card out without executing any commands09:45
Siceloyes.. N900 does it for you though09:45
fastlane`umm, does it do this when the back cover is removed?09:46
Siceloit senses as soon as you take back cover off, which is why sd card can't be seen without back cover on09:46
Siceloeven symbian did that09:46
Sicelothe funny thing is: why have that menu if the associated action can't be performed anyway, ll. then these people are the every ones who say Maemo looks unfinished/unpolished09:48
Sicelomeh, my typing is rubbish this morning09:49
fastlane`hmm, its ok09:49
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fastlane`well nothing in technology depresses me like this fact that maemo/meego didnt get too many devices09:50
DaReaperI'm having a strange issue with my phone09:50
fastlane`hi DaReaper09:51
DaReapermy 2G/3G network disconnects, shows a No sim symbol when i use GPRS09:51
DaReaperhappens mostly when i connect my phone to my laptop via USB cable09:51
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DaReaperwhen i unplug the USB cable from either ends of the cable09:51
DaReaperthe network goes09:51
DaReaperand reconnects after few seconds09:51
DaReaperalso the network goes down when i use GPRS for more than 10 minutes09:52
robbiethe1stUM, if you're using the thing as a USB modem, why wouldn't it disconnect from the network?09:52
DaReaperthe network itself goes off09:52
DaReaper2G/3G network09:52
DaReapershows No signal/ No SIM symbol09:53
DaReaperthe operator name goes away09:53
DaReaperand then i have to wait for it to find the network and connect09:53
DaReaperits annoying cause since the network goes down like that, my GPRS goes down09:53
DaReaperi can't browse09:53
Siceloyou either have a sucky operator, or bad location, or you cell-mo is on its way out (known issue)09:53
DaReaperBut the bars on the signal are full09:54
DaReaperboth for 2.5 G and 3.5 G09:54
DaReaperor 2G , 3G09:54
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DaReapercan you guys read this please  I have my issue stated there properly09:54
DaReaperbtw what's a cell-mo?09:56
DaReaperOh and also this one more thing. When my phone's charging via laptop USB cable, and if i receive a message or call. Network goes away09:59
DaReaperthe call cuts in middle09:59
fastlane`seems like a hw issue10:00
DaReaperIts weird cause my phone never fell down10:00
fastlane`try to get repaired maybe10:00
DaReaperor i never took it out of the house10:00
DaReaperUhm what kind of hardware issue?10:00
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fastlane`how long have u used this device10:01
DaReaperi bought it in 2009 december10:01
DaReaperi think10:01
SpeedEvilDaReaper: is this on edge?10:01
DaReaperBoth on Edge and 3G10:01
DaReaperit fails10:01
DaReaperit shows 2.5 G always, so i think its edge10:02
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DaReaperDon't know what to do10:13
DaReaperi'll probably have to pay up and get it checked10:13
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DaReaperwierd isn't it?10:21
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grummundadded my Skype account to "VoIP and IM accounts" and availability is now showing me as Online, but how do i open a skype chat session or call?11:15
grummundah. found the "Conversations" app for IM11:19
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keriogrummund: and you call with Phone, ofc11:23
keriowhat do you think this is, android?11:23
grummundPhone only lets me dial numbers, guess i need to add a contact first11:24
keriohm, i'm not sure how to call a username actually11:24
keriobut there should be a way11:24
Corsackerio: in phone, when you have the numpad, you can select of you want to do a mobile call or something else11:29
Corsac(for example I have a SIP account configured)11:29
Corsachmh, well, on N9 anyway11:29
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Corsacand there are letters on the numpad, but indeed I don't know how to enter them...11:30
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keriowith the keyboard, maybe? :)11:31
grummundyep :)11:31
grummundstill haven't quite got the hang of things11:33
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grummundfind myself tapping top-left multiple times until i get where i want to be11:37
Corsackerio: not on n9 :)11:38
kerioCorsac: sucks2beu11:38
Corsacwell, tbh, I don't use skype and for sip I usually call phone numbers anyway11:39
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keriodoesn't SIP use numbers, anyway?11:41
grummundsip *seems* to be working for me now, except sipgate is giving busy signal when called but i think that is a routing problem on the public network11:41
grummundand i found that using instead of fixes the one-way audio problem11:42
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thedead1440when using skype the contacts are auto added to your contacts list so just choose a contact and make a Skype call or IM11:45
freemangordonthedead1440: :nod:11:45
freemangordonfremantle is contact-centric :). there is no skype, gtalk,facebook chat, whatever shitty apps there are on android11:46
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thedead1440harmattan too :p11:46
freemangordonI thought it is about n90011:47
grummundshame it does not allow more than one skype account active at the same time11:47
freemangordongrummund: desktop skype does not allow either, at least the version I am usung11:48
thedead1440true even on the desktop you have to sign out first11:48
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freemangordongrummund: BTW install "Merge your duplicate contacts" plugin11:49
freemangordonwill make your life easier to link all the different stuff11:50
grummunddesktop version i have multiple instances running, but it was a hack.11:50
freemangordongrummund: we all know about it, but this is not the point11:50
freemangordon(runas ;) )11:51
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thedead1440its about integration; you don't want to be choosing a contact then deciding which account to call out from :D11:51
thedead1440or you need to find the contact is from which of your account and then call using that account11:51
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freemangordonthedead1440: BTW no "find contacts to merge" on HARM, ain't?11:52
thedead1440the options has a setting for Merge Contacts freemangordon :D11:53
grummundwell if i go into Phone it does *not* show my skype contacts, is that what you mean?11:53
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thedead1440grummund: use the contacts app; you can toggle availability from the top menu too so as to filter IM contacts from rest11:53
freemangordongrummund: in phone choose "select contack"11:54
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grummundfreemangordon: that's exactly what i did.11:54
freemangordonthedead1440: you go me wrong, I know you can merge by hand. on n900 there is contacts app plugin which searches through the DB and offers you merge candidates11:55
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freemangordongrummund: then choose the one you want to dial-out11:55
freemangordonmake sure you are online on skype11:56
thedead1440freemangordon: same you click merge contacts and click refresh; it'll merge it for you but yeah it doesn't show you the whole list that its about to merge11:56
freemangordonthedead1440: aah, so it does it for you? nice11:56
thedead1440freemangordon: yup :) if you added an IM account too it usually will do an auto-merge or you click Refresh for the merge to happen11:57
thedead1440freemangordon: HARM is not as bad as you think :p11:58
freemangordonthedead1440: someone should port fremantle to n9/0 at last :D11:58
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freemangordonthedead1440: sure, but feels lacking11:58
thedead1440yup it would be good to have an alternative11:58
grummundfreemangordon: Phone does not list skype contacts, Contacts does.11:58
thedead1440grummund: Phone lists Skype contacts but you can't make a Skype call unless such has been done before you can only make a SkypeOut call using the "Select contact" option11:59
freemangordongrummund: phone just list your contacts, you have to choose which one you want to tial11:59
grummundmaybe i'm doing something wrong but Select Contact in the Phone app definitely does *not* list my skype contacts12:00
freemangordonalso the other party have to be online too12:00
grummundexcept the ones i already have called.12:01
freemangordongrummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This is what I use and find most useful12:02
keriostatus is better12:02
freemangordonoops, scratch that12:03
freemangordonnot "ABC" but "Availability"12:03
freemangordonkerio: it is called "Availability" with english as device language12:04
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grummundcan i import contacts from a SIM card to use with SIP?12:10
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freemangordonin contacts app there is "get contacts" option in the menu12:11
freemangordon"copy from sim card" is your friend12:12
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Lava_CroftAut2     /       |    /   \  |           | /  _____||  \ |  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft   |   (----`   /  ^  \ `---|  |----`|  |  __  |   \|  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft    \   \      /  /_\  \    |  |     |  | |_ | |  . `  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft.----)   |    /  _____  \   |  |     |  |__| | |  |\   | |  `--'  |12:25
Lava_Croft|_______/    /__/     \__\  |__|      \______| |__| \__|  \______/12:25
Lava_Croft[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x12:25
Lava_Croft Welcome to #maemo | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt12:25
Lava_Croft1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too12:25
Lava_Croft1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.12:25
Lava_Croft1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful12:25
Lava_Croft1102     /       |    /   \  |           | /  _____||  \ |  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft   |   (----`   /  ^  \ `---|  |----`|  |  __  |   \|  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft    \   \      /  /_\  \    |  |     |  | |_ | |  . `  | |  |  |  |12:25
Lava_Croft.----)   |    /  _____  \   |  |     |  |__| | |  |\   | |  `--'  |12:25
Lava_Croft|_______/    /__/     \__\  |__|      \______| |__| \__|  \______/12:25
Lava_Croft[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x12:25
Lava_Croft Welcome to #maemo | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt12:25
Lava_Croft1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too12:25
Lava_Croft1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.12:25
thedead1440haha wtf?12:25
Lava_Croft1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This what I use and find most useful12:25
Lava_Croft1102     /       |    /   \  |           | /  _____||  \ |  | |  |  |  |12:25
keriomispaste, clearly12:25
Lava_Croft   |   (----`   /  ^  \ `---|  |----`|  |  __  |   \|  | |  |  |  |12:25
kerio*huge* mispaste12:26
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Lava_Croft.----)   |    /  _____  \   |  |     |  |__| | |  |\   | |  `--'  |12:26
keriogoddammit where are the ops12:26
Lava_Croft|_______/    /__/     \__\  |__|      \______| |__| \__|  \______/12:26
Lava_Croft[lcd@satgnu: ~]$ screen -x12:26
Lava_Croft Welcome to #maemo | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmatt12:26
Lava_Croft1100 < freemangordon> also the other party have to be online too12:26
Lava_Croft1101 < grummund> except the ones i already have called.12:26
thedead1440its non-stop mispaste :p12:26
Lava_Croft1102 < freemangordon> grummund: in contacts application, click the menu and select "ABC". This12:26
Lava_Croft                      what I use and find most useful12:26
kerioLava_Croft: u dun goof'd12:26
Lava_Croftputty fucked up somewhere12:29
Lava_Croftmy apologies12:29
Lava_CroftThat is some fucking horrible spam12:29
grummundLava_Croft: which irc client?12:29
Lava_Croftirssi over ssh12:29
grummundsame here12:29
freemangordonLava_Croft: mine asks me if I try to paste more than onle line12:29
grummundconfigure irssi not to paste12:29
keriowe need moar ops, btw12:30
Lava_Croftor just forget about it since this happens about once a year12:30
keriothat's the kind of situation that gets instantly nullified by a kick12:30
kerio(not a punishment kick, mind you)12:30
Lava_Croftwell, there's always people who feel the need to make something really big and nasty of something silly as a fucked up paste12:30
grummundpaste_verify_line_count = "1";12:30
kerioalso, never forgive, never forget12:31
Lava_Croftthats not the line12:31
Lava_Croftthe line, its forgiven, but not forgotten12:31
keriomaybe you forgive12:31
kerioi don't12:31
Lava_CroftYou have your youthful brashness that blocks forgiveness12:32
grummund/set paste_verify_line_count 112:32
Lava_Croftoh, good news for MS12:32
Lava_CroftSamsung cancels US Windows RT tablets12:32
freemangordonLava_Croft: is that really good news for M$?12:32
Lava_Croftwhy do people always write m$12:33
Lava_Croftapart from trying to be childish12:33
Lava_Croftand succeeding12:33
freemangordonthat one :D12:33
keriocuz m$ is teh suxx0rz12:33
grummundyeah the correct spelling is micro$oft12:33
Lava_CroftIt's 'good' news for MS as in that maybe people will forget about WindowsRT very soon:)12:33
kerioLava_Croft: never forgive, never forget12:33
freemangordonmaybe this is good for the people ;)12:34
Lava_Croftif never forgive never forget is the line i should go, it's probably time to burn down espoo hq12:34
freemangordonbut I doubt it is good for micro$oft yet another big (biggest?) player getting rid of something wondoze12:35
Lava_CroftTry going to a big electronics store in your town and try to spot any Windows RT devices:)12:35
Lava_CroftThey have the proper Windows8, why bother with RT12:35
freemangordonwho? samsung?12:36
Lava_Croftmanufacturers, resellers12:36
freemangordonand who makes the difference?12:36
Lava_Croftin what way12:36
freemangordoneven I cannot tell WTF is winrt and win8. mind you, I am still on XP on my desktop12:37
Lava_Croftwinrt is windows on arm with a bit set that prohibits installing unsigned apps12:37
Lava_Croftthats basically the only difference with windows812:37
thedead1440W8RT == Win8 for kids12:37
freemangordonLava_Croft: I was not asking ;)12:37
Lava_Croftwindowsrt can do the same stuff win8 can, its a proper port12:37
thedead1440Lava_Croft: Office for one keeps lagging on the Surface12:38
freemangordonas I don;t really care12:38
Lava_Croftwhat surface12:38
Lava_CroftRT or Pro12:38
Lava_Croftmaybe shit office port, idk12:38
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Lava_Croftiirc windowsrt is a fully functional windows8 port, only one thing is set that makes it so you can only install MS approved apps12:38
thedead1440that has been hacked into though:
Lava_Croftlast week12:40
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: are you happy now :P?
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kerioah crap, i deleted my gprs connection with gconftool14:01
kerionow i have to install a tool with a silly name to fix that :s14:02
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Sicelocan't create a new one?14:10
kerionot without fapn14:10
kerioLOL FUNNY NAME14:10
Sicelohmm, weird. i deleted my gprs connections, and never had to install fapn to fix it14:11
kerioi used my provider's autoconfiguration sms actually14:11
keriomuch better14:11
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wirrkerio, sorry to bother you again, but do you know who to contact if account registration on garage doesn't work?15:05
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WizardNumberNextPali: do you have initrd for maemo for 3.8-rc3 as well? If so, can you share both kernel and initrd?15:45
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PaliI have it for rescueOS15:46
WizardNumberNextdoes it have backlight on?15:46
WizardNumberNextI used one without backlight on15:46
WizardNumberNextpain in ass15:46
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Paliit has backlight support too15:48
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Palithis is with watchdog support15:49
Paliwith my watchdogs binary for kicking15:49
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Paliso if rescueos freeze, HW will reboot device15:49
Palinote that there is problem with poweroff/reboot15:49
Paliwithout '-f' device will freeze15:49
keriowhat's -f?15:50
Paliso wait until watchdog will kick15:50
Palikerio, force15:50
Palido not run any script15:50
Palitell to kernel to shutdown/reboot imediately15:50
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PaliI do not know if it umount anything15:50
Paliso first umount mmc/ubifs15:50
Paliand then call it15:50
Paliso wait until watchdog will reboot device (if is enabled)15:51
Paliby default kernel drivers disabling watchdogs15:51
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WizardNumberNextPali: that's good info - appratiate it16:03
WizardNumberNextthank you very much, might get usefull16:04
WizardNumberNextPali: did you try charging?16:05
PaliWizardNumberNext, yes but charger autodetection not working16:05
Paligo to /sys/class/power_supply/bq241*/16:05
Paliand do "echo host > mode" for usb charger16:05
Palior "echo dedicated > mode" for wall charger16:06
WizardNumberNextand when I would plug wall charger?16:06
Palito disable charging do "echo none > mode"16:06
WizardNumberNextas usual - very usefull16:06
WizardNumberNextseen somewhere this info, but reading twice = memorize better16:07
Paliyou need to do this maunally, because isp charger detection driver still reporting no charger connected...16:07
Palithis is in kernel charging driver, you do not need any other script or userspace app16:07
WizardNumberNextoh, its up isp1707 - is it up to kernel module or simply it is not autoloaded for some reason?16:07
WizardNumberNextyeah, I can recognize path16:08
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WizardNumberNexton dying battery isp might quite big issue16:10
WizardNumberNextsometimes I plug charger just seconds before it dies16:10
WizardNumberNextI know it dies around 3.15-3.25v16:10
WizardNumberNextbut it depends16:10
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freemangordonPali: if I flash pr 1.3 on n950, will I lose my data?16:12
PaliI did not flashed 1.3, but I think yes16:13
Palimaybe you need also (re)flash mmc image (from pr1.2)16:13
jon_yPali: are you the developer of RescueOS?16:13
Palijon_y, no16:13
WizardNumberNextI would love to get n950, do people actually sell them from tie to time?"16:13
jon_yoh ok, the info about wifi passwords need to be updated16:14
jon_yuse /run/wlan.conf16:14
keriowell, there's some dude on TMO who has like *four*16:14
jon_ynot /wlan.conf16:14
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rescue-os is
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Palitell this to NIN10116:14
jon_ykerio: he came to brag? :(16:15
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WizardNumberNextI got my linux kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on server - work for now (and it does have powersave for 802.11 enabled by default and I use both SMPS and GF)16:16
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keriojon_y: he's "n950" on tmo16:18
keriohe has a bunch of n9 prototypes too16:18
jon_yespecially right after my n900 screen died16:19
keriojon_y: <- maximum bragging16:19
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jon_yI hope he steps on a lego16:20
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* WizardNumberNext is hoping same16:27
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WizardNumberNextthe hell 750 gbp - I could get one and half brand new sgs316:28
timmycan i run mplayer on easy-debian to play a movie without any problem?16:28
keriotimmy: sure, if it's a low enough resolution and a simple enough codec16:30
timmythat bekuz the built-in version of mplayer in maemo doesn't show the rtl subtitles correctly16:31
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Lava_Croftoh, nokia issued an awesome fix for their https stealing browser17:25
Lava_Croft"This time they are tunneling HTTPS traffic over HTTP connection to their server"17:25
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CorsacLava_Croft: that's because they got frightened by a non issue17:29
Corsacthe original poster didn't have a clue about how everything works, apparently17:29
ShadowJKSicelo; vanilla android has that option and it works. Probably samsung forgot to remove it. Though, I wonder if it would be a side effect of apps on uSD? Google said the reason they killed microsd slot was that they were fed up with OEMs making devices that have 100Megs free space for apps..17:30
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Siceloit didn't come from installed apps. my dad didn't even have a uSD. i saw this yesterday when i gave him a 16GB card, only to be disappointed that you have to shut down the device in order to insert uSD17:36
ShadowJKwtf :)17:38
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: "where are the ops?" is not the right way to call for chanop attention17:47
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: yes, happy17:47
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: only this poor new user obviously forgot to R*T*F*M17:48
freemangordonthat's for sure :D17:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it was incredibly situational, an op should've been there to do anything17:50
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kerioin the time it would've took for you to notice the nickping, see what was going on, get ops from chanserv and kick, the problem would've gone away anyway17:50
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: usually not17:54
DocScrutinizer05get op:17:55
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DocScrutinizer05see what's going on: 0.5s17:56
PaliDocScrutinizer05, are you using KMail?17:59
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DocScrutinizer05yep, why?18:03
DocScrutinizer05because akonadi?18:03
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^18:13
PaliI'm going to downgrade kdepim to akonadiless version18:13
Palimysql database daemon eating 100MB18:14
Palikontact eating another 150MB18:14
Pali+ akonadi kabc plugin has bug in threads which casuse deadlock18:14
Palifor applications which does not use akonadi but kabc18:14
Pali(for example kopete)18:15
PaliDocScrutinizer05, do you have old kmail1 or akonadi kmail2?18:15
Paliand kmail2 needs virtuoso for email searching18:16
Pali+ another 50MB18:16
Pali+ memory leaks in that shits...18:17
tadzikkmail2 is beyond hope18:17
Paliso for emails I need about 350 - 400 MB18:17
Paliwhich is stupid18:17
kerio2013, the year of linux on desktop18:18
kerioas long as you have 32gb of ram18:18
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Palikerio, + 128 core CPU :-)18:25
Palione core for one shit18:25
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timmyi have installed mplayer on easy-debian, when i want to play a movie, there is no sound. how can i fix it?18:37
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ShadowJKthere something wrong with mplayer on maemo?18:40
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Lava_Crofttime to quit the survey and start serving the hay18:41
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Lava_CroftWhen will it be the year of the Windows Server18:42
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: yes, kmail2 is useless and fubar18:53
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timmyShadowJK: no, i am going to run mplayer on easydebian18:57
freemangordontimmy: the point was - why not use maemo mplayer?18:58
timmythat because mplayer on maemo can't show hebrew/RTL subtitles correctly18:59
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timmywell, vlc worked perfect ^_^19:11
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PaliI do not belive, old kontact with all loaded modules eat only 64MB19:57
Palinice RAM usage reduction -300MB :-)19:58
SpeedEvilRSS is a lie19:59
SpeedEvilthough I think recent tops can do this too20:00
PaliSpeedEvil, memory is without shared (private per process)20:01
Pali-100MB for mysql daemon, -150 for kontact, -50MB for akonadi_imap_resource, - some memory leaks20:02
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: I tried to import mail from old kmail1 to kmail2, speed was like 1 mail per second20:07
PaliI did it 2 years ago20:07
tadzik(and it's still running)20:07
Palibut I did not do migration20:07
DocScrutinizer05the whole thing is seriously fekked up20:07
PaliI donwloaded messages from imap again20:08
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PaliI have full backup on gmail imap server20:08
DocScrutinizer05insatble and a hog for all that's precious20:08
Palinow I'm going to create git tree for akonadi less kdepim20:08
Palifull kdepim without akonadi20:09
DocScrutinizer05and nobody really likes it, search the internets for comments on kmail2, it's devastating20:09
Paligit repository was created:
PaliI will push patches ASAP20:09
tadzikI once tried to search its bug list, crashed and said something about too many tickets ;)20:09
Paliit is based on 4.4 branch20:09
Paliwith kaddressbook from 4.3 (which is akonadiless)20:10
Palinow downloading emails from imap again to *new* kmail :-)20:10
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PaliCPU usage: 0-1%20:11
DocScrutinizer05Pali: much appreciated, I tried to upgrade from kmail1.9.10 to sth like 1.12.x but seems that's not available for kde right now20:11
Palimem usage 65MB20:11
DocScrutinizer05so my new kmail is way older than my old kmail20:11
PaliDocScrutinizer05, if you have any KDE4.4+ you can compile and use my version of kdepim20:11
PaliI'm using KDE4.9.4 and that kdepim seems working20:12
Pali(I have it installed in different root, so I have both kdepim versions)20:12
Palikio_imap4 mem usage: 4.4MB20:12
Paliakonadi_imap_resource mem usage: 40MB20:13
Pali4 and 40MB it is real difference20:13
Palimysql mem usage: 92MB20:13
DocScrutinizer05kdepim though is KDE3.5.10rel5220:13
Palino mysql: 0MB usage :D20:13
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I do not know if migration in kmail working20:14
Palibut importing maildir/mbox should work20:14
DocScrutinizer05I dafaq don't need nor want MySQL to handle my mails, that's braindamaged concept20:14
PaliDocScrutinizer05, me too :D20:14
Palithis is reason why I'm now trying this old kdepim20:14
Paliwhich is akonadi & mysql less20:15
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Palikdepim changes pushed20:22
Palibranch noakonadi20:22
PaliDocScrutinizer05, you can try to compile and install it to another root ^^^^20:23
Palino akonadi, no nepomuk20:23
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: could you share cmdline for dummies please :-D20:31
PaliI run dpkg-buildpackage -b20:32
Palibut it should be simple on non debian too, there is cmake20:32
DocScrutinizer05git, (comilation), ((changed root, though I guess I don't need that))20:32
Pali$ git clone git://
Pali$ git checkout noakonadi20:33
Palithen compilation:20:33
Pali$ mkdir build && cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr ..20:33
Pali$ make20:33
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Pali$ make install DESTDIR=/path/where/you/want/root20:34
Paliand starting:20:34
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Pali$ export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/root/lib/:/path/to/root/lib/kde420:35
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Pali$ export KDEDIRS=/path/to/root:/usr20:35
Pali$ /path/to/root/usr/bin/kontact --nofork20:35
Palithis could work20:35
Palichange /usr to another path where is your KDE root20:36
Paliin KDEDIRS should be files in KDEDIRS/lib/20:37
DocScrutinizer05"receive objects: 15%..."20:38
DocScrutinizer0525% \o/20:41
* DocScrutinizer05 feels strong urge to lart the fools who brought akonadi "idea" to KDEpim20:42
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: why do you need /path/to/root/ resp why install in a different location? I honestly don't want to keep kde4.7 pim20:50
PaliDocScrutinizer05, that install/compile only parts which are in upstream with akonadi20:50
Paliand also I do not know how it going to work20:51
PaliI'm using it also with kdepim-upstream in /usr and my with in /home20:51
DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git checkout noakonadi20:52
DocScrutinizer05fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent )20:52
DocScrutinizer05Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).20:52
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: did you clone before that?20:58
merlin1991then it probably checked out into a subdir20:58
DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~/kdepim> git clone git://
DocScrutinizer05Cloning into kdepim-noakonadi...20:59
DocScrutinizer05remote: Counting objects: 645326, done.20:59
merlin1991see line 2 ;)20:59
merlin1991so cd there before issuing any other git commands20:59
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DocScrutinizer05dang, DSL down21:01
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: in case you missed it, line 2 tells you the subdir where your local git copy ended up, cd there and issue any git commands in there21:02
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DocScrutinizer05thanks chanlog!21:02
Palimerlin1991, ok :-) after git clone is needed cd kdepim-noakonadi21:02
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Palimerlin1991, do you know how to get only last version from specified branch?21:03
DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi> git checkout noakonadi21:03
DocScrutinizer05Branch noakonadi set up to track remote branch noakonadi from origin.21:03
DocScrutinizer05Switched to a new branch 'noakonadi'21:03
Paliinstead clonning full repostory21:03
tadzikPali: --depth=0 or so21:03
PaliDocScrutinizer05, nice :-)21:03
Palitadzik, and how to specify branch?21:03
Palithen it clone only "master"21:04
tadzikhm, no idea21:04
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tadzikmaybe on git-fetch you can also give it --depth21:04
Palithere should be some magic for git fetch21:04
tadzikyep, seems so21:04
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merlin1991Pali: you can simply init an empty repo21:04
merlin1991and then git pull the branch you want21:04
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DocScrutinizer05what's that prefix to "cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" ?21:05
DocScrutinizer05I gather that's the future destination?21:05
merlin1991Pali: somehow like git init && git pull git pull $remoterepoaddress refs/heads/$branch21:06
merlin1991-git pull :D21:06
PaliDocScrutinizer05, no21:07
Paliit should be prefix where is KDE installed21:07
Pali*not* new prefix21:07
DocScrutinizer05umm, which one, I got several21:07
Pali(at least if I change prefix on ubuntu, cmake will not work and compilation failing)21:07
merlin1991huh I was pretty sure that prefix is prefixed to all paths for the generated "make install"21:08
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Paliuse prefix where is your major kde4 libs21:08
Palimerlin1991, yes, but this is only half true21:08
Palisee DESTDIR21:08
Palimake install from cmake install to DESTDIR/PREFIX21:09
Paliand cmake using prefix for fiding all system libraries like KDE...21:09
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DocScrutinizer05 /usr/lib64/  /opt/kde3/lib64/
merlin1991Pali: ah yeah the ususal we follow the sane way, almost21:11
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, first is KDE4 /usr and second is KDE3 /opt/kde321:11
DocScrutinizer05what is a 2major kdelib"?21:11
Paliyou need to specify KDE4 prefix21:11
Paliso /usr21:11
Palibecause this kdepim is kde421:12
DocScrutinizer05without ".." after "/usr"21:12
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DocScrutinizer05*sigh* not even cmake21:13
DocScrutinizer05just a humble 3.5mb21:14
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DocScrutinizer05CMake Error: The source directory "/home/jr/kdepim/kdepim-noakonadi/build" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.21:15
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DocScrutinizer05oooh, now I get the ".."21:16
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DocScrutinizer05-- Enterprise build is disabled.21:17
DocScrutinizer05CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:98 (MESSAGE):21:17
DocScrutinizer05  ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in21:17
DocScrutinizer05  /home/jr/.kde4/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps;/etc/kde4/share/apps21:17
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merlin1991hm either that file is really missing or your cmakemodulespath is foobar21:19
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DocScrutinizer05well, me got `locate` \o/21:22
DocScrutinizer05thought as much21:23
DocScrutinizer05since: how would that <file>.cmake exist in arbitrary paths when I installed cmake itself just 10min ago21:24
DocScrutinizer05so that's a "screwit" I guess. I'm not going to `cmake KDE`21:25
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: usually -dev packages ship Find.cmake files21:26
merlin1991cmake itself does not contain them all21:26
Snafu777Does everyone in here pretty much vie for the CSSU?21:27
PaliDocScrutinizer05, you need development files for your KDE421:27
Snafu777I want a package installed, but to use it, I must also use CSSU21:27
Palicheck it with your distributions21:28
Snafu777Pali, it's your file actually21:28
DocScrutinizer05Pali: gonna ask zypper21:28
merlin1991Snafu777: well what do you want to install? :D21:28
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: searching all filelists with regexp .*indKDE4.*cmake only delivered pkg "cmake" - which I installed21:35
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PaliFindKDE4Internal.cmake is part of kdelibs5-dev package on ubuntu21:36
kerioSnafu777: what do you mean?21:36
PaliI have it here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake21:36
keriopackages in maemo-extras shouldn't really depend on cssu without a good reason21:36
PaliDocScrutinizer05, make sure you have kdelibs dev installed21:36
Palikerio, usbmode21:37
Palibut last version in git can be installed without cssu too21:37
Palibut then automount will not work...21:37
DocScrutinizer05Pali: there a zillion "kdedev"21:38
PaliDocScrutinizer05, kdelibs21:38
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DocScrutinizer05there's no kdelibs.*dev.*21:41
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, please provide list of all ^kde.*-dev.*$ packages21:42
Paliand I will try to tell you21:42
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DocScrutinizer05kdepim4-devel maybe?21:49
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Palino, kdepim4-devel is provided by *me*21:50
PaliDocScrutinizer05, what distrubution do you have?21:51
Palibetter try ask google how to compile (any) kde4 app on your distribution21:51
PaliFindKDE4Internal.cmake is needed for any kde4 app21:51
DocScrutinizer05however not provided by any package, according to pkg filelists21:53
DocScrutinizer05toldya it's a nightmare21:54
DocScrutinizer05did I?21:54
DocScrutinizer05those bastards messed up stuff so thoroughly, I dunno whether to headdesk or rather bash their heads against a wall21:54
DocScrutinizer05akonadi devels - the men who killed linux desktop21:56
DocScrutinizer05honestly makes we wonder if I should downgrade to maybe CPM21:57
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DocScrutinizer05KDE4, the worst desktop ever21:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: xmonad4lyfe21:59
kerio(not really, openbox)22:00
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DocScrutinizer05qt4 killed kde3, kde4 killed kdepim. So I guess it's "thank you *very much* QT! >:-("22:00
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keriogtk is just better :P22:01
merlin1991xfce ftw22:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, starts with 'g', been fekked ever since22:02
merlin1991though tbh I'd prefer awesome + a proper gtk theme22:02
merlin1991because nothing is worse than a supernice desktop + unthemed applications22:02
PaliDocScrutinizer05, ask google how to compile kde4 app for your distro22:04
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I simply don't have that week22:04
DocScrutinizer05I'd probably rather switch to gentoo than learn how to build kde4 on opensuse22:05
* Sicelo wonders if Luke-Jr is still doing work on N900+Gentoo22:08
Luke-JrSicelo: not actively much22:08
Luke-Jrjust too busy with other crap :/22:08
Luke-JrI probably need to reinstall my N900 entirely too22:09
Luke-Jrit goes weird too often22:09
Sicelook :-)22:09
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RzRi am popping up to know what is the status of resources backup project ?22:11
RzRdo u have a file of all directs links ?22:12
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DocScrutinizer05RzR: there's a list of backed up stuff on, however those are not generally public for download22:14
DocScrutinizer05there are other backup as well, which are for public download22:15
kerioheh, we backed up the nonglobal n900 repos?22:16
DocScrutinizer05e.g teotwaki's stuff at wedrop.it22:16
RzRbut a file of urls could be public isnt it ?22:16
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DocScrutinizer05of backed up URLs?22:18
DocScrutinizer05like that?
RzRor resources that are about to get offline soon or later22:18
RzRyes but all files22:18
RzRnot dirs22:18
RzRi am making one22:19
DocScrutinizer05err, what is that list listing?22:19
RzRall known files to be mirrored22:19
DocScrutinizer05to be, hmm22:19
infobotrumour has it, pkg is
keriodammit flandry, y u no update mame22:20
RzRand let me suggest to aslo mirror qt sdks22:20
DocScrutinizer05well, we mirrored a lot already, and I guess nobody is going to do a diff or restart download of ~3TB of data with a new list22:21
RzRi just want a list22:21
RzRdont care of the content :)22:21
DocScrutinizer05you just said you are going to prepare such list22:21
RzRand no need to download it again22:21
RzRif it is already cached22:22
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I don't get what you suggest I should do22:22
RzRdidnt say you should do anything22:22
RzRdo you know about amiga TOSEC ?22:22
RzRthose guys are doing amazing preservation efforts22:23
RzRstarting to index every thing they could find for the amiga22:23
RzRI fell, we should do something similar22:24
kerioi thought about dowloading the tosec for some consoles, but they eventually degenerate in multi-tb effort that i'm not ready to put in22:24
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DocScrutinizer05I don't know what's the use of indexing22:26
DocScrutinizer05mirroring resp wget a backup, yes. index however...22:26
RzRwhat makes you think everything will be there ?22:26
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I still have a hard time in both answering your question as well as concluding anything I could do to help with backup project22:30
RzRwent offline22:31
DocScrutinizer05i told you I and a few others which you already know did a backup effort22:31
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DocScrutinizer05if you want different format of the list of stuff we backed up, please let me or brkn know. If you found something that needs backup but isn't on our list yet, let brkn or me know. I don't know what else to say22:33
RzRi talked w/ brkn this morning22:34
brknRzR: which qt sdk version are you missing/looking for?22:35
RzRall of them :-)22:35
RzRno latest one should be enough22:35
RzRbut i wanted to build a list of direct link to maintain22:36
RzRand track once resources go offline22:36
brknwell feel free to take all ressources i gave you earlier today + yours, compile a list, ping em back and i'll backup the new stuff22:36
RzRthat sounds nice22:37
DocScrutinizer05we're a nice bunch :-)22:37
RzRhow far are you in the process ?22:37
brknhow far? let's say atm 100%22:38
brknunless you discover sth new22:38
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned before, the list i linked above is backed up completely22:38
brkni covered everything from tmo backup htread + even more22:38
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brknadd your repo (1.1 gb) to the txt file i gave you earlier today22:39
RzRok will do that now22:39
RzRbut all obs would be good too22:39
RzRlet's fire this22:39
brknsure, whatever it takes to enable devs to continue support for n900 and n922:40
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DocScrutinizer05though initially this project been to backup stuff that *Nokia* might fail to host eventually, but as long as we got space... :-)22:40
brknDocScrutinizer05: we are still good on that22:41
DocScrutinizer05then go ahead22:41
DocScrutinizer05I rather pay for used storage, than for unused one ;-)22:41
DocScrutinizer05however keep an eye on our traffic limit please22:42
brkndon't worry22:42
DocScrutinizer05once we trip that, we need to manually reset it22:43
brknall being monitored as you might be aware of22:43
DocScrutinizer05I even forgot if we got 5 or 10tb/mo22:44
brknso RzR: you those mirrored too?22:45
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brkni did not mirror them until now because i thought as those no more belong to nokia, downloads won't go offline anytime soon22:46
brkn21:39 <RzR> but all obs would be good too >> can you be more specific about that please?22:48
RzRI can mirror sources hosted over there22:49
brknplease do so then22:54
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DocScrutinizer05we're not discouraging anybody from mirroring whatever they like, it's just we need one "official" reference that's somewhat "guarnteed" that it's not been tampered with. I hope I can help with that issue, in my position as maemo councilor23:01
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, now I created deb packages and installed kdepim to system23:05
Paliafter some patches it working fine23:05
PaliI will update git tree...23:06
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I wonder if I might use those .deb23:06
RzRPali, are we synching garage to gitorious also ?23:06
PaliRzR, no23:06
Palithere was only one import23:06
RzRthat one23:06
PaliRzR, if you want I can give you scripts for import23:07
RzRthx best would be to create a project for that :)23:07
Paliscripts clonning all garage repos and pushing it to gitorious23:07
PaliDocScrutinizer05, if you want I can give you amd64 tarball of my kdepim-noakonadi root23:08
DocScrutinizer05dang, garage is a friggin monster of dunnowhat mailing lists, cvs, git, bla23:08
RzRI may use them to sync obs to git too23:08
Palibut it is compiled against 4.9.423:08
DocScrutinizer05will most probably not work here23:09
Palithen you need to compile it yourself23:10
Palibinaries still depends on akonadi library, because I was not able to remove some code23:10
Palibut depends only on library23:10
Paliakonadi server can be deleted23:10
Palialso now I see that compilation is very tricky23:11
Paliyou need any compiled version of kdepim for compiling my version of kdepim23:11
Palibecause for compilation is needed libkleo and that library chaning ABI very often23:12
Paliso I decided to use system libkleo and compile my kdepim against system23:12
Paliinstead recompiling all system apps which depends on libkleo...23:12
DocScrutinizer05what I said, a nightmare23:18
DocScrutinizer05there must be a reason that *nobody* has done it yet for opensuse, otherwise I'd think you should find some package to install, on for kdepim or kmail23:21
PaliI will push dsc/deb packages to my repository on launchpad23:21
Paliso debian/ubuntu users will be able to easily install them23:21
PaliDocScrutinizer05, what distribution do you have?23:22
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DocScrutinizer05>>home:Vajsravana4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< kinda sounds promising23:26
DocScrutinizer05>>home:steffens:kmail1 4.7.11_really_4.4.11.1<< even23:27
PaliDocScrutinizer05, you really do not want any kdepim package >= 4.423:28
DocScrutinizer05if only I knew, since it's kinda absolutely obscure what kmail versio is in which kontact version23:29
Palifirst link in google for "opensuse 12.1 FindKDE4Internal.cmake"23:29
DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks :-)23:30
PaliDocScrutinizer05, but wait with compilation23:31
PaliI will push new changes to git23:31
Palikaddressbook in git not working in kontact (only as stanalone application)23:31
PaliI fixed it and now trying to create non conflicts debian packages...23:32
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brknRzR: you were right - i still needed the sdks. mirrored now23:35
brknwith all downloads23:35
RzRi'll make your status decrease to 1%23:36
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: I don't think this will give me any more fun...23:38
DocScrutinizer05CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):23:38
DocScrutinizer05  Could NOT find KdepimLibs (missing: KdepimLibs_CONFIG) (Required is at23:38
DocScrutinizer05  least version "4.3.85")23:38
RzRshould be the same23:38
RzRi'll double check23:38
PaliDocScrutinizer05, you need to install kdepimlibs devel23:39
brkncheck md523:39
Palitry to check your package manager23:39
brknmac 64 bit offline missing23:39
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RzRwho cares =P23:44
DocScrutinizer05Pali: anything kdepim*devel needs akonadi-runtime which needs libboost-program-options which isn't available. Honestly this sucks and I guess will cost me one week as I anticiapetd23:45
brknwell i do.23:45
brknfor the sake of completeness23:45
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Palibad distribution...23:45
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RzRi am wondering how many TB is all this ?23:50
brkni offered you a tree with folder sizes23:51
brknatm ~ 1100 gb23:52
DocScrutinizer05RzR: we for sure don't want to mirror, since it's mirroring mirrors which we already got the original source23:52
brkn+ it's incomplete23:53
NeutrinoPowerI am trying to connect a keyboard on my n900 with the host-mode-enabler application but the keyboard blink only one time23:53
DocScrutinizer05RzR: in the end we don't want to mirror every existing mirror, since that would include our own mirror as well ;-)23:53
RzRyou see my motivation to index all that23:54
RzRthose are direct links23:54
brknso RzR?23:54
DocScrutinizer05I'm not averse to get a backup of my ;-)23:54
kerioNeutrinoPower: what's host-mode-enabler? :o23:54
DocScrutinizer05not sure about merlin's stuff23:55
brknalready have them all23:55
brknall tar.gz'ed23:55
DocScrutinizer05hostmode-easy-now ;-)23:56
kerioNeutrinoPower: do you have an appropriate kernel?23:56
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me why I couldn't com eup with a better name for it23:56
kerioyou mean kernel-power23:57
* Snafu777 <~~~ Currently testing out KP51.... Not bad so far23:57
kerioit should work23:57
kerioNeutrinoPower: do you, by any chance, have some sort of bme replacement installed?23:57
NeutrinoPowerI don't know, what is bme?23:58
brknRzR: this is the list:
brkn762 gb uncompressed23:58
brknsure you can get all firmwares, but i dropped < pr 1.3 versions23:58
brknwastes way too much space23:58
NeutrinoPowerI have also an simple USB-A to USB-A socket adapter23:59
DocScrutinizer05brkn: could you provide updated list for
brknDocScrutinizer05: sure, folders only or also files?23:59
brknwith or without sizes?23:59

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