| DocScrutinizer51 | or at least no voltage drop | 00:00 |
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| WizardNumberNext | it might step-up/down because it gets hot on AC-8X | 00:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | do not know ACP-12X | 00:01 |
| grummund | 5.7V | 00:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | what is its current? | 00:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | id it is bigger then 1250mA, then do not use it | 00:01 |
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| grummund | 800mA | 00:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | bq2415x cannot cope with anything bigger, then 1250mA | 00:02 |
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| WizardNumberNext | 800mA is fine | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | current doesn't matter at all | 00:02 |
| kerio | ...wat | 00:02 |
| kerio | indeed, what doc said | 00:02 |
| kerio | it might never going to use more than 1250mA, but that's irrelevant | 00:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer51: it does! datasheet spec it is absolute max | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shouldn't be LESS than 800mA | 00:03 |
| grummund | yeah makes sense | 00:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: I think that bq2415x isn't regulating any current as such - battery does it by itself | 00:03 |
| kerio | well, you think wrong | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bullshit | 00:03 |
| kerio | the battery does very little | 00:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | shouldn't be less, because otherwise you won't give enough for battery | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | every battery regulates its own current | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | orly? | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | on complately flat battery it is biggest current | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | its almost disappears, when battery is full | 00:04 |
| kerio | that's bme or a substitute, telling bq24k to charge with less current | 00:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what's CCCV then | 00:05 | |
| WizardNumberNext | I tried to explode one battery long time ago | 00:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | could not achieve that | 00:05 |
| kerio | clearly, that means that every battery has a protection circuit | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | warning! don't argue with EE ;-) | 00:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | current dropped to something like 5mA and it never even got warmer | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~batteryfaq | 00:07 |
| infobot | somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~joerg | 00:07 |
| infobot | it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 00:07 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: don't BL-5Js have some kind of protective circuit, anyway? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, supposed to have | 00:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | look DocScrutinizer51 I work with batteries - at the moment I am setting up biggest domestic Solar Panel installation in UK with 131KW worth of batteries | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMG | 00:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | where this circuitry is? | 00:08 |
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| WizardNumberNext | whis to know | 00:08 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: it's bq24k that regulates the current to the battery though, srsly | 00:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | cause I have one BL-5J which was poorly soldered and top simply fell off | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that top is the protective circuit | 00:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | then it wopuld be running seriously hot | 00:09 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: hm, an original one? | 00:09 |
| jon_y | my n900 screen is b0rked, not receiving any presses, but strangely allows drags | 00:09 |
| jon_y | anybody know what is the issue? | 00:10 |
| kerio | jon_y: reboot | 00:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | an original one with hologram and made in hungary | 00:10 |
| jon_y | kerio: already | 00:10 |
| jon_y | alarm screen woke me up this morning and refused to stop :| | 00:10 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: the hologram is like the bare minimum for imitation BL-5Js | 00:10 |
| kerio | jon_y: weird issue, have you tried reflashing (after making a backup ofc) | 00:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | wait I would look for top of it - have it somewhere on desktop - would get back to you next week, when I would find | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: could you share the URL to my people.openmoko.org/joerg document about battery? | 00:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | it | 00:11 |
| jon_y | kerio: well, not sure how to backup, but I'm OK with flashing | 00:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: the pdf? | 00:11 |
| kerio | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/PACK950925.pdf | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, thanks | 00:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would check if it have bq27200 on it - if it does, then it would more alike like genuine nokia | 00:12 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: wtf, the engrish | 00:12 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: bq27k is in the n900 | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | enZish | 00:13 |
| kerio | it's not on the battery, even though it should be | 00:13 |
| jon_y | kerio: could it possibly be hardware issue? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 00:13 |
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| kerio | jon_y: hm, it doesn't feel likely | 00:13 |
| kerio | if drags are correctly reported... | 00:13 |
| jon_y | hopefully not, warranty probably void | 00:13 |
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| kerio | jon_y: have you tried the screen calibration, in Settings? | 00:14 |
| Apic | Good Night! | 00:14 |
| jon_y | I can't seem to reach it with the alarm keep poping up | 00:14 |
| jon_y | and inability to open the app menu | 00:14 |
| kerio | jon_y: have you got ssh? | 00:14 |
| jon_y | yeah, but it is off by default :( | 00:15 |
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| kerio | have you got backupmenu installed? | 00:15 |
| jon_y | no | 00:15 |
| kerio | and no CSSU either... :s | 00:15 |
| kerio | *why*? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then you're probably pretty much back to flashing | 00:16 |
| jon_y | it is cssu | 00:16 |
| kerio | jon_y: it's clearly not cssu | 00:16 |
| kerio | because the instructions to install cssu report "install backupmenu and do a backup" as the first step ever | 00:16 |
| jon_y | well, the odd thing is that buttons get colored when presseed | 00:16 |
| jon_y | kerio: dunno , but I don't think it was a hard dep | 00:17 |
| kerio | jon_y: and look at where we are now | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might be hw defect of digitizer | 00:17 |
| jon_y | besides, cssu was installed for quite some time already | 00:17 |
| kerio | me slightly tired watching youtube videos, and you with an impossibility to properly diagnose without losing all of your data | 00:17 |
| kerio | or possibly a tiny bit of your data | 00:17 |
| kerio | BUT STILL | 00:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: not reporting pen-on but reporting drags? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 00:18 |
| kerio | i didn't know it was possible | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | short | 00:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: I am pretty sure bq27k is on batteries as I got different reading with different batteries | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway reflash is your only option | 00:19 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: you've been pretty sure about a wide variety of topics | 00:19 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer51: ok | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WizardNumberNext: nope it's not | 00:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | but I am getting different readings for different batteries | 00:19 |
| kerio | readings of what? | 00:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | charge_full_now | 00:20 |
| kerio | that's fake, anyway | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's bogus | 00:20 |
| kerio | until you do a full calibration | 00:20 |
| kerio | (after the calibration it's quite precise, though) | 00:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | I did on two batteries and two are reporting different one | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's bogus!! | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | made up by bme | 00:21 |
| kerio | oh right, he's talking about the HAL data | 00:21 |
| kerio | yep, bme-provided bullshit | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe | 00:21 |
| jon_y | btw, doesn't the alarm thing close by itself if not pressed in time? | 00:21 |
| kerio | jon_y: idk, i always turn it off :) | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | jon_y: N95 it was one hour - have no idea about N900 | 00:22 |
| jon_y | I remember it hides itself if you don't press it fast enough when you wake up | 00:22 |
| jon_y | it will start ringing again after 10 minutes iirc | 00:22 |
| jon_y | I noticed that the alarm app wasn't hiding itself anymore | 00:22 |
| jon_y | I thought it was a hang initially | 00:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | so it is different from N95 | 00:23 |
| kerio | jon_y: install alarmclient, `alarmclient -c` | 00:23 |
| jon_y | kerio: yeah, after a reflash | 00:23 |
| kerio | it won't be necessary, after a reflash | 00:23 |
| jon_y | ? | 00:24 |
| kerio | alarmd stuff doesn't persist through reflashes | 00:24 |
| jon_y | ok | 00:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | what does persist apart from security lock? | 00:27 |
| kerio | depends on what you flash | 00:29 |
| kerio | CAL isn't flashed over | 00:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | lets say I would do full-flash with MMC and full flash contents | 00:30 |
| kerio | only the data in CAL remains, i suppose | 00:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | CAL? what's that? | 00:31 |
| * grummund wants to live with the n900 for a while before reflashing it | 00:31 | |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: /dev/mtd1 | 00:32 |
| kerio | mtd-friendly, proprietary-ish format for storing strings, pretty much | 00:32 |
| * WizardNumberNext wants to never flash n900 | 00:33 | |
| grummund | you still have the original firmware? | 00:33 |
| * WizardNumberNext have back of all mts partitions | 00:33 | |
| WizardNumberNext | never flashed it | 00:33 |
| WizardNumberNext | but I already have CSSU and load of other stuff on top of it | 00:34 |
| jon_y | btw, where is fmms data? | 00:34 |
| jon_y | ~/.fmms? | 00:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have seen it somewhere, but I got pissed off with MMS connection | 00:34 |
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| WizardNumberNext | so cannot tell you now - in the end I got rid of fmms | 00:35 |
| jon_y | I just choose havoc mode, receives mms all the time | 00:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | so it does work? | 00:35 |
| jon_y | yes | 00:35 |
| jon_y | I have no idea about sending though, since I don't normally send | 00:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | never tried it, as MMS would cost me money | 00:35 |
| jon_y | I receive, but I don't send, so it's free | 00:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have free internet so I can send there | 00:36 |
| jon_y | at least I don't see any extra charges in my bill | 00:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have 'all you can eat data' - in first month I got nearly 300GiB and nothing | 00:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | been living without DSL | 00:37 |
| jon_y | also, how do I import my old backups to the n9? | 00:38 |
| jon_y | phone numbers etc | 00:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | while I was migrating from my N95 to N900 I stored my contacts on SD-card maybe yopu do it on N900 | 00:38 |
| jon_y | I am | 00:39 |
| jon_y | N9 has no SD slot | 00:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | I forgot that | 00:39 |
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| WizardNumberNext | thats yet another reason why I do not want N9 - I wouls like to get N950 | 00:40 |
| jon_y | yep, cloud bullshit again | 00:40 |
| jon_y | I have a spare phone, that's the n9 | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jon_y: iirc you pair N9 and N900 via bt, then sync upload to N9 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | been a while since I did | 00:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | I cannot understand why they have put bq27200 inside n900, while it have nothing to do with mobile, only with battery | 00:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | I just checked - I have one parialy charged battey and swapped it for completely dead - charge level remains | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess they had no nice battery for N900 that has bq27200 on board like it's supposed to be | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on Openmoko GTA02 battery we did better | 00:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | openmoko? whats that? | 00:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | heard something but don't remember | 00:59 |
| grummund | is it worth getting screen protectors if the screen is already scratched up? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | openmoko.org should help | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grummund: yes | 00:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | grummund: you can always try to change top layer of screen, but I have no experience of it with n900 | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | top layer is digitizer | 01:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | as I thought | 01:01 |
| MrPingu | Yeh, and I have still scratched digitizer :( | 01:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | can it be exchanged and is it easy to get it? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grummund: screen protectors ideally even fill scars and thus make them invisible | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's available and moderately difficult to chane | 01:02 |
| MrPingu | WizardNumberNext: yes, but be aware there not-genuine digitizers | 01:02 |
| MrPingu | *there are | 01:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have mark like huge amount of very fin and small scratches - will it 'fix' that? | 01:02 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I am aware there is load of non-genuine crap around eBay | 01:02 |
| grummund | what about these - http://www.amazon.co.uk/PACK-OF-PROTECTOR-cleaning-ESSENTIALS/dp/B0030F3R4S/ref=sr_1_2 | 01:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | I had run into loads of non-genuine batteries, two displays and so on | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | genuine digitizers around 20..30 EUR iirc | 01:03 |
| MrPingu | When I looked last time they were around 45 :( | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might be | 01:04 |
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| MrPingu | I need my sleep | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | o/ | 01:07 |
| MrPingu | so goodn8! | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ight | 01:08 |
| * WizardNumberNext gravity of bed have pulled WNN to sleep | 01:10 | |
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| Luke-Jr | http://gigaom.com/2013/01/10/nokia-yes-we-decrypt-your-https-data-but-dont-worry-about-it/ | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so what? | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | what is all that excitement about a server side browser with VNC alike access? as if there were no *real* problems in this world, like e.g. that sack of rice over in china... | 01:34 |
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| cehteh | funny thing: opera is praised for that, nokia gets the blame | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ye( | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah even | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and then: SERIES40 | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | could *anybody* name any article about fekkin cherry? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody even recalls it anymore | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably series40 phones do't even have the CPU grunt for SSL | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsmack | 01:45 |
| infobot | OWW! | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 01:55 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 | 01:55 |
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| grummund | is there a trick to not accidently tapping when you wanted to swipe? | 02:33 |
| cehteh | resistive touchscreen, press harder | 02:34 |
| cehteh | i tried to recallibrate the touchscreen with the pen, using the most minimal pressure on each callibration point, but i think that doesnt help, doesnt callibrate pressure | 02:35 |
| grummund | just have to get used to it i suppose | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: there's no such thing like pressure with r-ts and stylus | 02:58 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: there is .. mypaint supports it, albeit its not very sensitive | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | physically impossible | 03:02 |
| Raimu | It's probably a time downpushed -based simulation | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for r-ts "pressure"=area-of-touch | 03:02 |
| Raimu | Oh or that! | 03:03 |
| grummund | does resistive still work with a screen protector? | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 03:03 |
| Raimu | grummund: Sure does | 03:03 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: mypaint with pen .. well yes maybe 'area of touch' increases when you press the pen harder | 03:04 |
| grummund | aprobably the sheet is made from conductive material | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for finger it does, for stylus hardcly | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grummund: check wikipedia 4wire resitive touchscreen | 03:06 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: try out mypaint | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~wiki 4wire resitive touchscreen | 03:06 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=4wire+resitive+touchscreen&go=Go | 03:06 |
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| cehteh | i dont care about the wiki .. when it works here :) | 03:06 |
| cehteh | (not very well, but it does) | 03:06 |
| * grummund just ordered a case from amazon for 99p including shipping ;) | 03:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: r-ts is minimally pressure-sensitive indeed | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_screen#Resistive | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 for all I would bet on has oil-separated 4-wire resistive touchscreen | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.google.de/search?q=5+wire+resistive+technology | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | F!!!U!!! apple | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bin deep N9 with all capacitive technology | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the absolutely *one* advantage of capacitive is sturdiness | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka "gorilla glass" | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apart from that, goodnight capacitive | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry now, a comment for 10+ hours offtime: Fripp, Eldritch, Eno, B52s. The true geniuses of this starting millenium. cya, sorry for less dedication to this community, I need to earn my bagels/donuts. | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a disgusting fishing for compliments | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya l8r | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 04:07 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | quiet planet syndrome? | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody alive? | 04:30 |
| internetishard | I'm here, my friend | 04:31 |
| internetishard | just switched to the nexus4 after all these years on the n900... Wow, if nokia (or another company) kept a phone like the n900 up to date it could totally be everything this thing is (and more)! | 04:31 |
| Raimu | I'm awake too. | 04:32 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05, good luck to you :) | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki quiet earth | 04:34 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Earth (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the novel|the film|The Quiet Earth (film)}} {{Infobox Book | | name = The Quiet Earth | title_orig = | translator = | image = | image_caption = | author = Craig Harrison | illustrator = | cover_artist = | country = New Zealand | language = English | series = | genre = | publisher = | release_date = 1981 | english_release_date = | media_type = | pages = | isbn = ... | 04:34 |
| thedead1440 | it'll be boring here during late nights EU time w/o you too ;) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film) | 04:35 |
| Raimu | Fripp, Eldritch, Eno I know but B52s are unknown to me. | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're missing the dynamite fraction | 04:36 |
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| * Raimu looked up | 04:37 | |
| Raimu | Sounds good. | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UqKRGW6_rw | 04:38 |
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| Raimu | I'm a pretty bad King Crimson fan and I imagine Andrew's eldritch. It's on my top list of bands, but they should release something in non-live format once in a while. :) | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Raimu: you have to *pay* for that | 04:40 |
| Raimu | Yeah, and that band had a pretty rotten row with record companies in the past. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2V2h_Bd_Gg | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1LI9j2btc | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cadA5iANN2o | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^^ SHOCK!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 04:43 |
| Raimu | 3x COMBO | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | today's musicians are "ohh please, no! too complicated!" | 04:48 |
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| Raimu | "We'll do it post-prod" | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=q%3A+are+we+not+men+devo+a%3A+we+are+devo&oq=q%3A+are+we+not+men+devo+a%3A+we+are+devo | 04:50 |
| Raimu | Hah, I remembered just now I used to have that as a CD | 04:51 |
| Raimu | I wonder where it went. | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I had a quarter-inch tape anchine | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQZ-VVkVu4 | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or was ir 1/2 inch? | 04:53 |
| Raimu | o/ | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too long ago too many shitpits | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mongoloid! | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gi4Cn5i_Xs | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freedom of joyce! | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t141cliSLHY for sweet deams | 05:04 |
| thedead1440 | see ya:) | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, probably too much :-P | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQZ-VVkVu4 | 05:43 |
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| internetishard | DocScrutinizer05: do you have images that people can flash their n900s to, to bring it to a special state/config? | 07:20 |
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| Snafu777 | Anyone here use packet injection with their N900? I ran into a strange issue that I was able to reproduce twice, but had never seen it before, and am trying to figure it out. | 07:36 |
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| MrPingu | Snafu777: Yes, but never had issues... | 08:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | internetishard: nope, since downgrading is impossible on HARM | 10:25 |
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| kerio | but... he said n900 | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | later, then | 10:26 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: screen's broken | 11:38 |
| jon_y | so BT sync is unusable | 11:38 |
| jon_y | that leaves rescueOS | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :-( | 11:41 |
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| jon_y | I'm not so worried about the data on the n900 | 11:43 |
| jon_y | just the intense laboring required to key in into the n9 | 11:43 |
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| jon_y | btw, how does g_nokia usbnet work? | 11:48 |
| jon_y | how does it compare to g_ether? | 11:48 |
| jon_y | I noticed windows doesn't like the former for actual networking | 11:49 |
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| jon_y | rescueOS g_ether doesn't seem to work either | 11:49 |
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| Pali | jon_y, g_nokia working, but you need OS with cdc ether driver | 11:56 |
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| jon_y | Pali: I guess windows is out? | 11:59 |
| Pali | yes, sorry but windows has no proper networking support... | 12:00 |
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| jon_y | Pali: ok, modern Debian/ubuntu has it ootb? | 12:01 |
| Pali | yes, should have | 12:02 |
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| jon_y | ok, thanks | 12:03 |
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| amospalla | guys, has been pulseaudio protocol version upped recently in any cssu version ? | 12:50 |
| amospalla | to remove the limit on protocol up to v15 ? | 12:53 |
| Pali | amospalla, there is patch for that in cssu-devel | 12:55 |
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| amospalla | Pali: thanks pali, does that mean that is currently on latest cssu-devel? or is a proposed patch ? | 13:08 |
| ivgalvez | amospalla look at http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/ | 13:14 |
| ivgalvez | luf is commenting it right now at #maemo-ssu | 13:14 |
| Pali | amospalla, patch for support any PA protocol version is already in cssu-devel repo | 13:15 |
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| Pali | if you have cssu-devel installed, then you have patched PA | 13:16 |
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| amospalla | Pali: that's great, thanks again | 13:17 |
| Pali | I tested network via desktop pulseaudio and it worked | 13:18 |
| Pali | sound from desktop was played in n900 speakers... | 13:18 |
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| Sysaxed | looking for a way to reflash completely... Wiki is a bit confusing. So I take the vanilla image, run the command, then run the command with -R parameter.. and then what? Run the command for COMBINED image with -R parameter, right? | 18:16 |
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| thedead1440 | Sysaxed: no you flash the VANILLA without the -R parameter then flash the COMBINED with or without -R parameter | 18:22 |
| Sysaxed | "with or without" | 18:23 |
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| Sysaxed | which means? | 18:24 |
| thedead1440 | if you want it to reboot after the flash you put a -R and conversely if you want to do a manual boot-up you don't put a -R | 18:24 |
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| Sysaxed | thedead1440, ok... that's very simple | 18:29 |
| thedead1440 | indeed | 18:29 |
| Sysaxed | thanks :) | 18:29 |
| thedead1440 | np | 18:29 |
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| ShadowJK | the key thing is to not allow full boot between flashing the two images | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | The order is debated and swaps around in wiki periodically ;) | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | working system -> flash emmc -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | working system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | working system -> flash emmc -> reboot -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | first boot takes ages. Data gets moved from rootfs to emmc on first boot. From this follows that if you then flash emmc, that data is lost and system broken. :) | 19:15 |
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| kerio | jon_y: rescueOS also has wifi, mind you | 19:44 |
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| Sysaxed | wtf is maemo.merlin1991.at ? | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | inet site? | 20:20 |
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| bef0rd | merlin1991's site | 20:21 |
| Sysaxed | this catalog is listed but disabled after installing cssu testing: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/ | 20:22 |
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| Snafu777 | does anyone know the most recent up to date STABLE kernel that supports packet injection? | 20:48 |
| ummmm | pk52 doesnt :oo ? | 20:48 |
| Snafu777 | Well I've got a choice of two kernels | 20:49 |
| Snafu777 | but one DRAINED my battery something fierce the other day | 20:49 |
| Snafu777 | never seen it happen before, and i had used it before | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | So i wanted to see if there was an upgraded version | 20:50 |
| ummmm | do u use that wepon script? | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | No | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | I use PwnPhone | 20:50 |
| ummmm | hmm | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | Just want to make sure i have the most recent and updated kernel | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | hopefully it fixed the weird bug | 20:50 |
| Snafu777 | A lot of blogs say to use: | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | blah, wrong poist | 20:51 |
| ummmm | hmm, i'm running kp50, and after running wepon, wepoff doesnt do much, i have to restart n900 or battery will drain in few hours | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | I was running 46 | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | Never had a drain issue | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | But all of the sudden it died | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | now there is a kp51 | 20:51 |
| Snafu777 | Curious if anyone has used it | 20:51 |
| ummmm | when kp50 came out its post mentioned that injection drivers were updated for it | 20:52 |
| ummmm | never read anything about kp after that, havnt been keeping upto date on it | 20:52 |
| Snafu777 | But with kp50, yer battery does drain in a couple hours eh? | 20:53 |
| ummmm | yes, if i launch the wepon script | 20:53 |
| Snafu777 | Interesting | 20:54 |
| Snafu777 | Thanks =) | 20:54 |
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| kerio | wtf is wepon | 20:54 |
| Snafu777 | I believe hes talking about a script that got released to turn on and off packet injection modules | 20:55 |
| ummmm | i think it runs wifite script to attack wep secured wifi networks | 20:55 |
| Snafu777 | I prefer manual usage with aircrack-ng for hacking things | 20:56 |
| Snafu777 | Im just trying to get a kernel that doesnt drain the battery to high heaven | 20:56 |
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| Snafu777 | So aside from ummmm, does anyone in here use packet injection with their N900? | 21:00 |
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| Sicelo | obviously. | 21:03 |
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| Snafu777 | Which kernel do u use Sicelo ? | 21:04 |
| Snafu777 | Im reading some issues with KP51 about heat and charge | 21:04 |
| Snafu777 | Trying to find a kernel that supports injection while not killing the battery when the injection is not being used | 21:04 |
| Snafu777 | I used 46 forever | 21:04 |
| Snafu777 | but recently, noticed it DRAINED powe | 21:05 |
| Snafu777 | r | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | i don't use injection | 21:05 |
| Snafu777 | Ah | 21:05 |
| Snafu777 | Do you perhaps know the file that lists the current voltage and wattage the battery is pulling? | 21:05 |
| Snafu777 | That would be real helpful | 21:05 |
| Sicelo | get bq27200.sh script | 21:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd say pk51 is gentler on battery than stock kernel | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | and as a bonus, pk51 uses 80mA less power when on charger compared to PR1.3 | 21:20 |
| kerio | charger=wallcharger? | 21:22 |
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| fastlane` | kerio, http://code.google.com/p/wifite/ | 21:24 |
| fastlane` | wepon script uses this | 21:24 |
| kerio | fastlane`: i don't really care about scriptkid tools | 21:25 |
| fastlane` | hmm, dont know what to say to that, it launches i wifite, thats all i wanted to tell, | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; yes | 21:25 |
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| Snafu777 | wifite sucks | 21:31 |
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| Snafu777 | aircrack-ng all the way | 21:32 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Friendly neighborhood community councilmember here: Reggie says he'll be ready to move TMO from current server to the Hildon Foundation infrastructure on the 16th of this month (Wednesday), at which point there will be some downtime while the DNS changes propagate. Just announcing it here so if anyone has strong objections against that date, can speak up. | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please keep in mind we want to put old tmo into r/o mode as soon as new one goes active, so they won't go outa sync | 23:29 |
| MentalistTraceur | Thank you Joerg. | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the procedure is: r/o old tmo, copy, start new tmo | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so there will be some hours downtime at least | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: r/o time | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | MentalistTraceur, if possible, reduce the TTL for the talk.maemo.org DNS today, so that when the move happens, the DNS changes propagate faster | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: we have no control over DNs yet | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Well you'll need it before 16th, surely.. | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still with Nokia | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, Nemein informed us of a mail they got from Nokia that DNS issues are moving and it will only take a few days now until stuff got sorted. I suggest to wait with fixing a date for tmo migration until that DNS issue is actually sorted or at least a date is given from Nokia | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: ^^^ | 23:34 |
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| ShadowJK | So it's january, and I guess reggie didn't get sponsored for this month by nokia anymore? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: Eero is the one to talk to about date of switching | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the server of Reggie is running and paid til 20.1. | 23:35 |
| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, feel free to add that to the e-mail exchange going on with the Council and Board mailing lists. | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until then migration of data has to get finished | 23:35 |
| MentalistTraceur | Or I can mention it for you if you'd like. | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, please do, I'm not really online | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (flu) | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: wait, Reggie said he's going to migrate the data this weekend? so we already should expect tmo to go r/o this weekend, unless Reggie plans to resync immediately before switching DNS | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise posts to old tmo would miss on new one and thus get lost | 23:40 |
| luf | good it'll be free week the next one :D | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter obviously the best procedure | 23:41 |
| MentalistTraceur | Honestly, Joerg, that would be my guess (that he'd do a resync), but I don't know for sure. | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record | 23:42 |
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| MentalistTraceur | (After all, Reggie is a good admin from what I know, I'm sure he knows what he's doing.) | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think so | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we have no control over DNS yet, so please don't propagate Wednesday as migration day | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless Nokia promises that Wednesday we can actually do the DNS change | 23:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hey Reggie, glad you could get on. Joerg has comments. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or Reggie insists in Wednesday, in which case we'd need to keep old tmo in r/o mode from then on (we do anyway), and offer users to access new tmo via interim-DNS | 23:45 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Specifically that Nemein informed us that Nokia informed them that the DNS issue on their end is finally moving, and we should wait until we get a date from them (presumably for when we get control over the DNS) before setting a date to migrate. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2013-01-11 19:20:16] <mashiara> ivgalvez: I got a reply from Nokia that the DNS thing has finally moved forward and "should be done in a few days" | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-11 19:20:18] <mashiara> this was today. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [ | 23:48 |
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| ShadowJK | If we can get DNS control before wednesday, going with that plan is probably fine.. but if not, it'd be kinda disruptive... Plan B and Plan C suggestions? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plan A^^^ | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plan B: delay resync of plan A until we get DNS control | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | plan C: delay same resync until 20.1., the date when Reggie's server goes out of business | 23:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | reggie__, are you actively on now? And if so, can you see the statements made while the "reggie_" user was connected? | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | plan D: Reggie does the resync whenever he feels ok, and puts old tmo in r/o mode for that, and we have downtime / r/o-time via URL and new operational tmo is only available via: | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~interim-dns | 23:54 |
| infobot | it has been said that interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts" | 23:54 |
| MentalistTraceur | Alright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with). | 23:55 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/)./)?/ | 23:55 |
| infobot | MentalistTraceur meant: Alright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with)? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't send emil right now | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 23:56 | |
| MentalistTraceur | I meant by private message here on IRC. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chanlog... | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | True. Fair enough. | 23:56 |
| MentalistTraceur | (I just wasn't sure if he'd know to check it from what he does see) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure this is our reggie | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and atm I don't see reggie in userlist | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (no join/part msgs here) | 23:58 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, in your /etc/hosts is missing mxr.maemo.org and also downloads.maemo.org | 23:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yeah... me neither. Alright, I'll email him with the highlights of this discussion. Anyway, I'll stay signed in, be back within the hour hopefully. | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: mxr is ok, doesn't move | 23:59 |
| Pali | where is mxr? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a server by timeless | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CNAME | 23:59 |
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