IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-01-11

DocScrutinizer51or at least no voltage drop00:00
WizardNumberNextit might step-up/down because it gets hot on AC-8X00:00
WizardNumberNextdo not know ACP-12X00:01
grummund5.7V00:01
WizardNumberNextwhat is its current?00:01
WizardNumberNextid it is bigger then 1250mA, then do not use it00:01
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grummund800mA00:02
WizardNumberNextbq2415x cannot cope with anything bigger, then 1250mA00:02
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WizardNumberNext800mA is fine00:02
DocScrutinizer51current doesn't matter at all00:02
kerio...wat00:02
kerioindeed, what doc said00:02
kerioit might never going to use more than 1250mA, but that's irrelevant00:02
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer51: it does! datasheet spec it is absolute max00:03
DocScrutinizer51shouldn't be LESS than 800mA00:03
grummundyeah makes sense00:03
WizardNumberNextkerio: I think that bq2415x isn't regulating any current as such - battery does it by itself00:03
keriowell, you think wrong00:03
DocScrutinizer51bullshit00:03
keriothe battery does very little00:03
WizardNumberNextshouldn't be less, because otherwise you won't give enough for battery00:04
WizardNumberNextevery battery regulates its own current00:04
DocScrutinizer51orly?00:04
WizardNumberNexton complately flat battery it is biggest current00:04
WizardNumberNextits almost disappears, when battery is full00:04
keriothat's bme or a substitute, telling bq24k to charge with less current00:05
* DocScrutinizer51 idly wonders what's CCCV then00:05
WizardNumberNextI tried to explode one battery long time ago00:05
WizardNumberNextcould not achieve that00:05
kerioclearly, that means that every battery has a protection circuit00:06
DocScrutinizer51warning! don't argue with EE ;-)00:06
WizardNumberNextcurrent dropped to something like 5mA and it never even got warmer00:06
DocScrutinizer51~batteryfaq00:07
infobotsomebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers00:07
DocScrutinizer51~joerg00:07
infobotit has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer00:07
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: don't BL-5Js have some kind of protective circuit, anyway?00:07
DocScrutinizer51yes, supposed to have00:08
WizardNumberNextlook DocScrutinizer51 I work with batteries - at the moment I am setting up biggest domestic Solar Panel installation in UK with 131KW worth of batteries00:08
DocScrutinizer51OMG00:08
WizardNumberNextwhere this circuitry is?00:08
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WizardNumberNextwhis to know00:08
kerioWizardNumberNext: it's bq24k that regulates the current to the battery though, srsly00:09
WizardNumberNextcause I have one BL-5J which was poorly soldered and top simply fell off00:09
DocScrutinizer51that top is the protective circuit00:09
WizardNumberNextthen it wopuld be running seriously hot00:09
kerioWizardNumberNext: hm, an original one?00:09
jon_ymy n900 screen is b0rked, not receiving any presses, but strangely allows drags00:09
jon_yanybody know what is the issue?00:10
keriojon_y: reboot00:10
WizardNumberNextan original one with hologram and made in hungary00:10
jon_ykerio: already00:10
jon_yalarm screen woke me up this morning and refused to stop :|00:10
kerioWizardNumberNext: the hologram is like the bare minimum for imitation BL-5Js00:10
keriojon_y: weird issue, have you tried reflashing (after making a backup ofc)00:11
WizardNumberNextwait I would look for top of it - have it somewhere on desktop - would get back to you next week, when I would find00:11
DocScrutinizer51kerio: could you share the URL to my people.openmoko.org/joerg document about battery?00:11
WizardNumberNextit00:11
jon_ykerio: well, not sure how to backup, but I'm OK with flashing00:11
kerioDocScrutinizer51: the pdf?00:11
keriohttp://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/PACK950925.pdf00:11
DocScrutinizer51yep, thanks00:12
WizardNumberNextI would check if it have bq27200 on it - if it does, then it would more alike like genuine nokia00:12
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: wtf, the engrish00:12
kerioWizardNumberNext: bq27k is in the n90000:13
DocScrutinizer51enZish00:13
kerioit's not on the battery, even though it should be00:13
jon_ykerio: could it possibly be hardware issue?00:13
DocScrutinizer51yep00:13
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keriojon_y: hm, it doesn't feel likely00:13
kerioif drags are correctly reported...00:13
jon_yhopefully not, warranty probably void00:13
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keriojon_y: have you tried the screen calibration, in Settings?00:14
ApicGood Night!00:14
jon_yI can't seem to reach it with the alarm keep poping up00:14
jon_yand inability to open the app menu00:14
keriojon_y: have you got ssh?00:14
jon_yyeah, but it is off by default :(00:15
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keriohave you got backupmenu installed?00:15
jon_yno00:15
kerioand no CSSU either... :s00:15
kerio*why*?00:16
DocScrutinizer51then you're probably pretty much back to flashing00:16
jon_yit is cssu00:16
keriojon_y: it's clearly not cssu00:16
keriobecause the instructions to install cssu report "install backupmenu and do a backup" as the first step ever00:16
jon_ywell, the odd thing is that buttons get colored when presseed00:16
jon_ykerio: dunno , but I don't think it was a hard dep00:17
keriojon_y: and look at where we are now00:17
DocScrutinizer51might be hw defect of digitizer00:17
jon_ybesides, cssu was installed for quite some time already00:17
keriome slightly tired watching youtube videos, and you with an impossibility to properly diagnose without losing all of your data00:17
kerioor possibly a tiny bit of your data00:17
kerioBUT STILL00:17
kerioDocScrutinizer51: not reporting pen-on but reporting drags?00:18
DocScrutinizer51yep00:18
kerioi didn't know it was possible00:18
DocScrutinizer51short00:18
WizardNumberNextkerio: I am pretty sure bq27k is on batteries as I got different reading with different batteries00:19
DocScrutinizer51anyway reflash is your only option00:19
kerioWizardNumberNext: you've been pretty sure about a wide variety of topics00:19
jon_yDocScrutinizer51: ok00:19
DocScrutinizer51WizardNumberNext: nope it's not00:19
WizardNumberNextbut I am getting different readings for different batteries00:19
kerioreadings of what?00:20
WizardNumberNextcharge_full_now00:20
keriothat's fake, anyway00:20
DocScrutinizer51that's bogus00:20
keriountil you do a full calibration00:20
kerio(after the calibration it's quite precise, though)00:20
WizardNumberNextI did on two batteries and two are reporting different one00:20
DocScrutinizer51that's bogus!!00:21
DocScrutinizer51made up by bme00:21
keriooh right, he's talking about the HAL data00:21
kerioyep, bme-provided bullshit00:21
WizardNumberNextmaybe00:21
jon_ybtw, doesn't the alarm thing close by itself if not pressed in time?00:21
keriojon_y: idk, i always turn it off :)00:21
WizardNumberNextjon_y: N95 it was one hour - have no idea about N90000:22
jon_yI remember it hides itself if you don't press it fast enough when you wake up00:22
jon_yit will start ringing again after 10 minutes iirc00:22
jon_yI noticed that the alarm app wasn't hiding itself anymore00:22
jon_yI thought it was a hang initially00:23
WizardNumberNextso it is different from N9500:23
keriojon_y: install alarmclient, `alarmclient -c`00:23
jon_ykerio: yeah, after a reflash00:23
kerioit won't be necessary, after a reflash00:23
jon_y?00:24
kerioalarmd stuff doesn't persist through reflashes00:24
jon_yok00:24
WizardNumberNextwhat does persist apart from security lock?00:27
keriodepends on what you flash00:29
kerioCAL isn't flashed over00:29
WizardNumberNextlets say I would do full-flash with MMC and full flash contents00:30
kerioonly the data in CAL remains, i suppose00:31
WizardNumberNextCAL? what's that?00:31
* grummund wants to live with the n900 for a while before reflashing it00:31
kerioWizardNumberNext: /dev/mtd100:32
keriomtd-friendly, proprietary-ish format for storing strings, pretty much00:32
* WizardNumberNext wants to never flash n90000:33
grummundyou still have the original firmware?00:33
* WizardNumberNext have back of all mts partitions00:33
WizardNumberNextnever flashed it00:33
WizardNumberNextbut I already have CSSU and load of other stuff on top of it00:34
jon_ybtw, where is fmms data?00:34
jon_y~/.fmms?00:34
WizardNumberNextI have seen it somewhere, but I got pissed off with MMS connection00:34
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WizardNumberNextso cannot tell you now - in the end I got rid of fmms00:35
jon_yI just choose havoc mode, receives mms all the time00:35
WizardNumberNextso it does work?00:35
jon_yyes00:35
jon_yI have no idea about sending though, since I don't normally send00:35
WizardNumberNextnever tried it, as MMS would cost me money00:35
jon_yI receive, but I don't send, so it's free00:36
WizardNumberNextI have free internet so I can send there00:36
jon_yat least I don't see any extra charges in my bill00:36
WizardNumberNextI have 'all you can eat data' - in first month I got nearly 300GiB and nothing00:37
WizardNumberNextbeen living without DSL00:37
jon_yalso, how do I import my old backups to the n9?00:38
jon_yphone numbers etc00:38
WizardNumberNextwhile I was migrating from my N95 to N900 I stored my contacts on SD-card maybe yopu do it on N90000:38
jon_yI am00:39
jon_yN9 has no SD slot00:39
WizardNumberNextI forgot that00:39
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WizardNumberNextthats yet another reason why I do not want N9 - I wouls like to get N95000:40
jon_yyep, cloud bullshit again00:40
jon_yI have a spare phone, that's the n900:40
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DocScrutinizer51jon_y: iirc you pair N9 and N900 via bt, then sync upload to N900:50
DocScrutinizer51been a while since I did00:50
WizardNumberNextI cannot understand why they have put bq27200 inside n900, while it have nothing to do with mobile, only with battery00:54
WizardNumberNextI just checked - I have one parialy charged battey and swapped it for completely dead - charge level remains00:55
DocScrutinizer51I guess they had no nice battery for N900 that has bq27200 on board like it's supposed to be00:57
DocScrutinizer51on Openmoko GTA02 battery we did better00:57
WizardNumberNextopenmoko? whats that?00:58
WizardNumberNextheard something but don't remember00:59
grummundis it worth getting screen protectors if the screen is already scratched up?00:59
DocScrutinizer51openmoko.org should help00:59
DocScrutinizer51grummund: yes00:59
WizardNumberNextgrummund: you can always try to change top layer of screen, but I have no experience of it with n90000:59
DocScrutinizer51top layer is digitizer01:00
WizardNumberNextas I thought01:01
MrPinguYeh, and I have still scratched digitizer :(01:01
WizardNumberNextcan it be exchanged and is it easy to get it?01:01
DocScrutinizer51grummund: screen protectors ideally even fill scars and thus make them invisible01:01
DocScrutinizer51it's available and moderately difficult to chane01:02
MrPinguWizardNumberNext: yes, but be aware there not-genuine digitizers01:02
MrPingu*there are01:02
WizardNumberNextI have mark like huge amount of very fin and small scratches - will it 'fix' that?01:02
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WizardNumberNextI am aware there is load of non-genuine crap around eBay01:02
grummundwhat about these - http://www.amazon.co.uk/PACK-OF-PROTECTOR-cleaning-ESSENTIALS/dp/B0030F3R4S/ref=sr_1_201:03
WizardNumberNextI had run into loads of non-genuine batteries, two displays and so on01:03
DocScrutinizer51genuine digitizers around 20..30 EUR iirc01:03
MrPinguWhen I looked last time they were around 45 :(01:03
DocScrutinizer51might be01:04
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MrPinguI need my sleep01:07
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DocScrutinizer51o/01:07
MrPinguso goodn8!01:07
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DocScrutinizer51ight01:08
* WizardNumberNext gravity of bed have pulled WNN to sleep01:10
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Luke-Jrhttp://gigaom.com/2013/01/10/nokia-yes-we-decrypt-your-https-data-but-dont-worry-about-it/01:30
DocScrutinizer51so what?01:32
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DocScrutinizer51what is all that excitement about a server side browser with VNC alike access? as if there were no *real* problems in this world, like e.g. that sack of rice over in china...01:34
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cehtehfunny thing: opera is praised for that, nokia gets the blame01:35
DocScrutinizer51ye(01:36
DocScrutinizer51yeah even01:36
DocScrutinizer51and then: SERIES4001:37
DocScrutinizer51omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg01:38
DocScrutinizer51could *anybody* name any article about fekkin cherry?01:39
DocScrutinizer51nobody even recalls it anymore01:39
DocScrutinizer51probably series40 phones do't even have the CPU grunt for SSL01:42
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DocScrutinizer51~botsmack01:45
infobotOWW!01:45
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DocScrutinizer51~botsnack01:55
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5101:55
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grummundis there a trick to not accidently tapping when you wanted to swipe?02:33
cehtehresistive touchscreen, press harder02:34
cehtehi tried to recallibrate the touchscreen with the pen, using the most minimal pressure on each callibration point, but i think that doesnt help, doesnt callibrate pressure02:35
grummundjust have to get used to it i suppose02:39
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DocScrutinizer51cehteh: there's no such thing like pressure with r-ts and stylus02:58
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: there is .. mypaint supports it, albeit its not very sensitive03:00
DocScrutinizer51physically impossible03:02
RaimuIt's probably a time downpushed -based simulation03:02
DocScrutinizer51for r-ts "pressure"=area-of-touch03:02
RaimuOh or that!03:03
grummunddoes resistive still work with a screen protector?03:03
DocScrutinizer51yes03:03
Raimugrummund: Sure does03:03
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: mypaint with pen .. well yes maybe 'area of touch' increases when you press the pen harder03:04
grummundaprobably the sheet is made from conductive material03:04
DocScrutinizer51for finger it does, for stylus hardcly03:05
DocScrutinizer51grummund: check wikipedia 4wire resitive touchscreen03:06
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: try out mypaint03:06
DocScrutinizer51~wiki 4wire resitive touchscreen03:06
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=4wire+resitive+touchscreen&go=Go03:06
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cehtehi dont care about the wiki .. when it works here :)03:06
cehteh(not very well, but it does)03:06
* grummund just ordered a case from amazon for 99p including shipping ;)03:07
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: r-ts is minimally pressure-sensitive indeed03:07
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DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_screen#Resistive03:46
DocScrutinizer05N900 for all I would bet on has oil-separated 4-wire resistive touchscreen03:47
DocScrutinizer05http://www.google.de/search?q=5+wire+resistive+technology03:51
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc03:54
DocScrutinizer05F!!!U!!! apple03:54
DocScrutinizer05bin deep N9 with all capacitive technology03:56
DocScrutinizer05the absolutely *one* advantage of capacitive is sturdiness03:57
DocScrutinizer05aka "gorilla glass"03:58
DocScrutinizer05apart from that, goodnight capacitive03:58
DocScrutinizer05sorry now, a comment for 10+ hours offtime: Fripp, Eldritch, Eno, B52s. The true geniuses of this starting millenium. cya, sorry for less dedication to this community, I need to earn my bagels/donuts.04:02
DocScrutinizer05what a disgusting fishing for compliments04:04
DocScrutinizer05cya l8r04:04
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DocScrutinizer05~botsnack04:07
infobotDocScrutinizer05: thanks04:07
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DocScrutinizer05quiet planet syndrome?04:30
DocScrutinizer05anybody alive?04:30
internetishardI'm here, my friend04:31
internetishardjust switched to the nexus4 after all these years on the n900... Wow, if nokia (or another company) kept a phone like the n900 up to date it could totally be everything this thing is (and more)!04:31
RaimuI'm awake too.04:32
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05, good luck to you :)04:33
DocScrutinizer05thanks04:33
DocScrutinizer05~wiki quiet earth04:34
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet_Earth (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the novel|the film|The Quiet Earth (film)}} {{Infobox Book | | name = The Quiet Earth | title_orig = | translator = | image = | image_caption = | author = Craig Harrison | illustrator = | cover_artist = | country = New Zealand | language = English | series = | genre = | publisher = | release_date = 1981 | english_release_date = | media_type = | pages = | isbn = ...04:34
thedead1440it'll be boring here during late nights EU time w/o you too ;)04:34
DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film)04:35
RaimuFripp, Eldritch, Eno I know but B52s are unknown to me.04:35
DocScrutinizer05you're missing the dynamite fraction04:36
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* Raimu looked up04:37
RaimuSounds good.04:37
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UqKRGW6_rw04:38
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RaimuI'm a pretty bad King Crimson fan and I imagine Andrew's eldritch. It's on my top list of bands, but they should release something in non-live format once in a while. :)04:39
DocScrutinizer05Raimu: you have to *pay* for that04:40
RaimuYeah, and that band had a pretty rotten row with record companies in the past.04:41
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2V2h_Bd_Gg04:41
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB1LI9j2btc04:42
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cadA5iANN2o04:42
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DocScrutinizer05^^^^^ SHOCK!!!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^04:43
Raimu3x COMBO04:44
DocScrutinizer05today's musicians are "ohh please, no! too complicated!"04:48
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Raimu"We'll do it post-prod"04:48
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DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=q%3A+are+we+not+men+devo+a%3A+we+are+devo&oq=q%3A+are+we+not+men+devo+a%3A+we+are+devo04:50
RaimuHah, I remembered just now I used to have that as a CD04:51
RaimuI wonder where it went.04:51
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DocScrutinizer05I had a quarter-inch tape anchine04:52
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQZ-VVkVu404:52
DocScrutinizer05n804:52
DocScrutinizer05or was ir 1/2 inch?04:53
Raimuo/04:53
DocScrutinizer05too long ago too many shitpits04:53
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DocScrutinizer05mongoloid!04:54
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gi4Cn5i_Xs04:56
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DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU04:59
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DocScrutinizer05freedom of joyce!05:01
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVoroHx3IU05:02
DocScrutinizer05n805:02
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DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t141cliSLHY for sweet deams05:04
thedead1440see ya:)05:06
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DocScrutinizer05ok, probably too much :-P05:39
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQZ-VVkVu405:43
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internetishardDocScrutinizer05: do you have images that people can flash their n900s to, to bring it to a special state/config?07:20
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Snafu777Anyone here use packet injection with their N900?  I ran into a strange issue that I was able to reproduce twice, but had never seen it before, and am trying to figure it out.07:36
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MrPinguSnafu777: Yes, but never had issues...08:48
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DocScrutinizer05internetishard: nope, since downgrading is impossible on HARM10:25
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keriobut... he said n90010:26
DocScrutinizer05ooops10:26
DocScrutinizer05later, then10:26
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: screen's broken11:38
jon_yso BT sync is unusable11:38
jon_ythat leaves rescueOS11:38
SpeedEvil:-(11:41
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jon_yI'm not so worried about the data on the n90011:43
jon_yjust the intense laboring required to key in into the n911:43
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jon_ybtw, how does g_nokia usbnet work?11:48
jon_yhow does it compare to g_ether?11:48
jon_yI noticed windows doesn't like the former for actual networking11:49
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jon_yrescueOS g_ether doesn't seem to work either11:49
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Palijon_y, g_nokia working, but you need OS with cdc ether driver11:56
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jon_yPali: I guess windows is out?11:59
Paliyes, sorry but windows has no proper networking support...12:00
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jon_yPali: ok, modern Debian/ubuntu has it ootb?12:01
Paliyes, should have12:02
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jon_yok, thanks12:03
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amospallaguys, has been pulseaudio protocol version upped recently in any cssu version ?12:50
amospallato remove the limit on protocol up to v15 ?12:53
Paliamospalla, there is patch for that in cssu-devel12:55
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amospallaPali: thanks pali, does that mean that is currently on latest cssu-devel? or is a proposed patch ?13:08
ivgalvezamospalla look at http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/13:14
ivgalvezluf is commenting it right now at #maemo-ssu13:14
Paliamospalla, patch for support any PA protocol version is already in cssu-devel repo13:15
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Paliif you have cssu-devel installed, then you have patched PA13:16
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amospallaPali: that's great, thanks again13:17
PaliI tested network via desktop pulseaudio and it worked13:18
Palisound from desktop was played in n900 speakers...13:18
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Sysaxedlooking for a way to reflash completely... Wiki is a bit confusing. So I take the vanilla image, run the command, then run the command with -R parameter.. and then what? Run the command for COMBINED image with -R parameter, right?18:16
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thedead1440Sysaxed: no you flash the VANILLA without the -R parameter then flash the COMBINED with or without -R parameter18:22
Sysaxed"with or without"18:23
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Sysaxedwhich means?18:24
thedead1440if you want it to reboot after the flash you put a -R and conversely if you want to do a manual boot-up you don't put a -R18:24
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Sysaxedthedead1440, ok... that's very simple18:29
thedead1440indeed18:29
Sysaxedthanks :)18:29
thedead1440np18:29
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ShadowJKthe key thing is to not allow full boot between flashing the two images19:10
ShadowJKThe order is debated and swaps around in wiki periodically ;)19:12
ShadowJKworking system -> flash emmc -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system19:13
ShadowJKworking system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system19:13
ShadowJKworking system -> flash emmc -> reboot -> broken system -> flash fiasco/rootfs -> working system19:14
ShadowJKfirst boot takes ages. Data gets moved from rootfs to emmc on first boot. From this follows that if you then flash emmc, that data is lost and system broken. :)19:15
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keriojon_y: rescueOS also has wifi, mind you19:44
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Sysaxedwtf is maemo.merlin1991.at ?20:20
freemangordoninet site?20:20
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bef0rdmerlin1991's site20:21
Sysaxedthis catalog is listed but disabled after installing cssu testing: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/20:22
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Snafu777does anyone know the most recent up to date STABLE kernel that supports packet injection?20:48
ummmmpk52 doesnt :oo ?20:48
Snafu777Well I've got a choice of two kernels20:49
Snafu777but one DRAINED my battery something fierce the other day20:49
Snafu777never seen it happen before, and i had used it before20:50
Snafu777So i wanted to see if there was an upgraded version20:50
ummmmdo u use that wepon script?20:50
Snafu777No20:50
Snafu777I use PwnPhone20:50
ummmmhmm20:50
Snafu777Just want to make sure i have the most recent and updated kernel20:50
Snafu777hopefully it fixed the weird bug20:50
Snafu777A lot of blogs say to use:20:51
Snafu777http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8566520:51
Snafu777blah, wrong poist20:51
ummmmhmm, i'm running kp50, and after running wepon, wepoff doesnt do much, i have to restart n900 or battery will drain in few hours20:51
Snafu777I was running 4620:51
Snafu777Never had a drain issue20:51
Snafu777But all of the sudden it died20:51
Snafu777now there is a kp5120:51
Snafu777Curious if anyone has used it20:51
ummmmwhen kp50 came out its post mentioned that injection drivers were updated for it20:52
ummmmnever read anything about kp after that, havnt been keeping upto date on it20:52
Snafu777But with kp50, yer battery does drain in a couple hours eh?20:53
ummmmyes, if i launch the wepon script20:53
Snafu777Interesting20:54
Snafu777Thanks =)20:54
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keriowtf is wepon20:54
Snafu777I believe hes talking about a script that got released to turn on and off packet injection modules20:55
ummmmi think it runs wifite script to attack wep secured wifi networks20:55
Snafu777I prefer manual usage with aircrack-ng for hacking things20:56
Snafu777Im just trying to get a kernel that doesnt drain the battery to high heaven20:56
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Snafu777So aside from ummmm, does anyone in here use packet injection with their N900?21:00
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Siceloobviously.21:03
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Snafu777Which kernel do u use Sicelo ?21:04
Snafu777Im reading some issues with KP51 about heat and charge21:04
Snafu777Trying to find a kernel that supports injection while not killing the battery when the injection is not being used21:04
Snafu777I used 46 forever21:04
Snafu777but recently, noticed it DRAINED powe21:05
Snafu777r21:05
Siceloi don't use injection21:05
Snafu777Ah21:05
Snafu777Do you perhaps know the file that lists the current voltage and wattage the battery is pulling?21:05
Snafu777That would be real helpful21:05
Siceloget bq27200.sh script21:06
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ShadowJKI'd say pk51 is gentler on battery than stock kernel21:19
ShadowJKand as a bonus, pk51 uses 80mA less power when on charger compared to PR1.321:20
keriocharger=wallcharger?21:22
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fastlane`kerio, http://code.google.com/p/wifite/21:24
fastlane`wepon script uses this21:24
keriofastlane`: i don't really care about scriptkid tools21:25
fastlane`hmm, dont know what to say to that, it launches i wifite, thats all i wanted to tell,21:25
ShadowJKkerio; yes21:25
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Snafu777wifite sucks21:31
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Snafu777aircrack-ng all the way21:32
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MentalistTraceurFriendly neighborhood community councilmember here: Reggie says he'll be ready to move TMO from current server to the Hildon Foundation infrastructure on the 16th of this month (Wednesday), at which point there will be some downtime while the DNS changes propagate. Just announcing it here so if anyone has strong objections against that date, can speak up.23:28
DocScrutinizer05please keep in mind we want to put old tmo into r/o mode as soon as new one goes active, so they won't go outa sync23:29
MentalistTraceurThank you Joerg.23:30
DocScrutinizer05actually the procedure is: r/o old tmo, copy, start new tmo23:30
DocScrutinizer05so there will be some hours downtime at least23:30
DocScrutinizer05or rather: r/o time23:31
ShadowJKMentalistTraceur, if possible, reduce the TTL for the talk.maemo.org DNS today, so that when the move happens, the DNS changes propagate faster23:31
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: we have no control over DNs yet23:31
ShadowJKWell you'll need it before 16th, surely..23:32
DocScrutinizer05still with Nokia23:32
DocScrutinizer05yep, Nemein informed us of a mail they got from Nokia that DNS issues are moving and it will only take a few days now until stuff got sorted. I suggest to wait with fixing a date for tmo migration until that DNS issue is actually sorted or at least a date is given from Nokia23:33
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: ^^^23:34
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ShadowJKSo it's january, and I guess reggie didn't get sponsored for this month by nokia anymore?23:34
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: Eero is the one to talk to about date of switching23:34
DocScrutinizer05the server of Reggie is running and paid til 20.1.23:35
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, feel free to add that to the e-mail exchange going on with the Council and Board mailing lists.23:35
DocScrutinizer05until then migration of data has to get finished23:35
MentalistTraceurOr I can mention it for you if you'd like.23:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, please do, I'm not really online23:36
DocScrutinizer05(flu)23:36
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DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: wait, Reggie said he's going to migrate the data this weekend? so we already should expect tmo to go r/o this weekend, unless Reggie plans to resync immediately before switching DNS23:39
DocScrutinizer05otherwise posts to old tmo would miss on new one and thus get lost23:40
lufgood it'll be free week the next one :D23:40
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DocScrutinizer05the latter obviously the best procedure23:41
MentalistTraceurHonestly, Joerg, that would be my guess (that he'd do a resync), but I don't know for sure.23:42
DocScrutinizer05I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record23:42
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MentalistTraceur(After all, Reggie is a good admin from what I know, I'm sure he knows what he's doing.)23:42
DocScrutinizer05I think so23:43
DocScrutinizer05but we have no control over DNS yet, so please don't propagate Wednesday as migration day23:43
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DocScrutinizer05unless Nokia promises that Wednesday we can actually do the DNS change23:44
MentalistTraceurHey Reggie, glad you could get on. Joerg has comments.23:45
DocScrutinizer05or Reggie insists in Wednesday, in which case we'd need to keep old tmo in r/o mode from then on (we do anyway), and offer users to access new tmo via interim-DNS23:45
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MentalistTraceurSpecifically that Nemein informed us that Nokia informed them that the DNS issue on their end is finally moving, and we should wait until we get a date from them (presumably for when we get control over the DNS) before setting a date to migrate.23:46
DocScrutinizer052013-01-11 19:20:16] <mashiara> ivgalvez: I got a reply from Nokia that the DNS thing has finally moved forward and "should be done in a few days"23:48
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-11 19:20:18] <mashiara> this was today.23:48
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ShadowJKIf we can get DNS control before wednesday, going with that plan is probably fine.. but if not, it'd be kinda disruptive... Plan B and Plan C suggestions?23:48
DocScrutinizer05I.E. set up vBulletin now, move database, test. Then when DNS actually can get changed, put tmo in r/o mode, resync database, switch DNS A record23:48
DocScrutinizer05plan A^^^23:49
DocScrutinizer05plan B: delay resync of plan A until we get DNS control23:49
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DocScrutinizer05plan C: delay same resync until 20.1., the date when Reggie's server goes out of business23:50
MentalistTraceurreggie__, are you actively on now? And if so, can you see the statements made while the "reggie_" user was connected?23:50
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DocScrutinizer05plan D: Reggie does the resync whenever he feels ok, and puts old tmo in r/o mode for that, and we have downtime / r/o-time via URL and new operational tmo is only available via:23:54
DocScrutinizer05~interim-dns23:54
infobotit has been said that interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts"23:54
MentalistTraceurAlright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with).23:55
MentalistTraceurs/)./)?/23:55
infobotMentalistTraceur meant: Alright, I have to be afk, Joerg, if you feel up for it, can you copy-paste what was said to Reggie in case he didn't see it (depending on what client which of those usernames logged in with)?23:55
DocScrutinizer05I can't send emil right now23:56
DocScrutinizer05email23:56
MentalistTraceurI meant by private message here on IRC.23:56
DocScrutinizer05chanlog...23:56
DocScrutinizer05sure23:56
MentalistTraceurTrue. Fair enough.23:56
MentalistTraceur(I just wasn't sure if he'd know to check it from what he does see)23:57
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure this is our reggie23:57
DocScrutinizer05and atm I don't see reggie in userlist23:58
DocScrutinizer05(no join/part msgs here)23:58
PaliDocScrutinizer05, in your /etc/hosts is missing mxr.maemo.org and also downloads.maemo.org23:58
MentalistTraceurYeah... me neither. Alright, I'll email him with the highlights of this discussion. Anyway, I'll stay signed in, be back within the hour hopefully.23:59
DocScrutinizer05Pali: mxr is ok, doesn't move23:59
Paliwhere is mxr?23:59
DocScrutinizer05on a server by timeless23:59
DocScrutinizer05CNAME23:59

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