IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-01-07

*** Milhouse has joined #maemo00:03
*** XenonXZ|aw is now known as XenonXZ00:04
ShadowJKhuh, I'm getting negative values in the diff column now :-)00:07
*** Neutron19 has joined #maemo00:07
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs00:07
DocScrutinizer05doing "boring2 stuff while i'd like to discuss low level technical pr0n00:07
DocScrutinizer05boring stuff like worrying about servers for future infra00:08
DocScrutinizer05actually all but boring, rather annoying and exhausting00:08
*** hardaker has joined #maemo00:10
ShadowJKThe only card I've got where flashbench shows conclusive results for erase block size, is a recent-ish 32g sandisk00:19
wirrShadowJK, I've found this thread to give quite some insights on working with flashbench:
ShadowJKooh, there's a mailing list for flashbench? nice00:21
*** brzys has quit IRC00:23
*** HtheB has joined #maemo00:24
HtheBqwazix: you there?00:24
*** brzys has joined #maemo00:24
*** dafox has quit IRC00:25
*** _rd has quit IRC00:26
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo00:31
*** shamus has quit IRC00:33
*** shamus has joined #maemo00:33
*** florian has quit IRC00:40
*** andre__ has quit IRC00:43
wirranyway, thanks everybody for your support - see you soon00:46
* wirr weaves goodbye00:46
*** XenonXZ has quit IRC00:49
*** mvp_ has quit IRC00:51
*** Darkchaos has quit IRC00:52
*** wirr has quit IRC00:54
*** andre__ has joined #maemo00:55
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo01:02
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC01:03
*** XenonXZ has joined #maemo01:04
*** XenonXZ has quit IRC01:08
*** e-yes has quit IRC01:10
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: (the only card...) you know even a dead watch is right, two times a day ;-D01:10
*** HtheB has quit IRC01:14
*** e-yes has joined #maemo01:24
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC01:27
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC01:50
*** rcg has quit IRC01:56
*** landho has joined #maemo01:57
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo02:05
*** eijk has quit IRC02:07
*** HRH_H_Crab has quit IRC02:10
*** Aoyagi has quit IRC02:23
*** krayonWork has joined #maemo02:36
*** Martix has quit IRC02:37
*** luf has quit IRC02:38
*** OkropNick has quit IRC02:48
*** lxp has quit IRC02:57
*** skule has quit IRC02:58
*** skule has joined #maemo03:01
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo03:16
*** hardaker has quit IRC03:18
*** valdyn has quit IRC03:21
*** andre__ has quit IRC03:23
*** jonwil has joined #maemo03:25
*** kolp has quit IRC03:28
*** hardaker has joined #maemo03:33
*** roostrus` has quit IRC03:34
*** krayonWork has quit IRC03:37
*** Hurrian has quit IRC03:38
*** Theorbo has quit IRC03:40
*** rlinfati has joined #maemo03:48
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo03:49
rlinfatiHi DocScrutinizer05 , about the maps for maemo5 and maemo6, check this.03:50
rlinfatifor framantle:
rlinfatiwe need the maps, and the index... this example only download the global (continental?) maps.03:50
rlinfatilike 1 = america, 2 europe, 3 africa, 4 asia, 5 oceania ( see the xml file )03:52
*** Muelli has quit IRC03:52
*** krayonWork has joined #maemo03:52
rlinfatiand the "15" is Chile03:52
rlinfati( for more country, see the xml file )03:52
rlinfatifor harmattan i not have the last version (, but is easy to change the script
*** hardaker has quit IRC03:55
rlinfatifor harmattan we need the maps, the index, and also the voices03:55
*** hardaker has joined #maemo04:07
GeneralAntillesAnybody around I can quiz about migration issues?04:12
*** zhxt has joined #maemo04:13
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC04:21
*** rlinfati has quit IRC04:23
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: shoot04:27 SSL cert still stalled with Nokia?04:27
DocScrutinizer05err yep, I think so04:28
GeneralAntillesPlaying catchup on MWKN04:28
GeneralAntillesUnplanned 2-week holiday.04:28
DocScrutinizer05that's all ?04:28
GeneralAntillesI managed to suss out the coding competition device winner status.04:29
*** nox- has quit IRC04:30
DocScrutinizer05you need MWKN stuff?04:30
*** hardaker has quit IRC04:31
GeneralAntillesGot plenty, I think.04:31
GeneralAntilles2-week backlog.04:31
DocScrutinizer05how about appending content of to your /etc/hosts?04:31
GeneralAntillesAhh, good one.04:32
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC04:32
DocScrutinizer05I guess you'll have enough topics for next 4 MWKN04:33
DocScrutinizer05last council meeting alone is enough for a whole MWKN issue04:34
GeneralAntillesHmm, don't see the minutes in here.04:34
DocScrutinizer05that's since mentalist been absent04:34
DocScrutinizer05and I guess he will need a tad longer than usual for the meeting minutes this time ;-)04:35
GeneralAntillesI'll wait for the minutes.04:35
DocScrutinizer05since we basically discussed migration strategy04:36
GeneralAntillesJaffa and fiferboy are MIA on the editing front.04:36
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez also MIA, in hospital04:36
GeneralAntillesOops. Hope he's OK.04:37
DocScrutinizer05hope so04:37
DocScrutinizer05sent a msg Thu or Fr04:37
DocScrutinizer05some virus or sth04:38
GeneralAntillesSerious for hospitalization.04:38
DocScrutinizer05so, I hope nothing they wouldn't be able to handle in a hospital04:39
GeneralAntillesPump him full of saline.04:40
DocScrutinizer05but usually you feel like shit(ting) for quite a few days, from my experience04:41
GeneralAntillesNot fun when it's coming out both ends.04:41
DocScrutinizer05we'd really need him, council and esp board04:42
DocScrutinizer05but fist of all he shall get well again04:42
*** otep has quit IRC04:42
*** otep has joined #maemo04:43
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: maybe better test if MWKN works at all ;-)04:44
GeneralAntillesI sent an email before the holidays asking if we wanted to take a break04:45
GeneralAntillesGarage sent me back an undeliverable about 10 days later.04:45
DocScrutinizer05Nemeion should have put all old * into r/o mode04:45
DocScrutinizer05oooh mwkn.net04:46
DocScrutinizer05I guess that's unrelated :-)04:46
DocScrutinizer05where is it hosted?04:47
GeneralAntillesJaffa's dedi04:47
*** mavhc- is now known as mavhk04:47
GeneralAntillesDon't think it relies on anything on maemo.org04:48
DocScrutinizer05prolly not04:48
DocScrutinizer05nice site to publish stuff, when m.o is "down"04:48
DocScrutinizer05re cert: we can renew that when and as soon as hiFo owns the domain04:51
DocScrutinizer05re cert2: we got a fix in CSSU for the TURKTRUST vulnerability04:52
DocScrutinizer05aiui merlin1991 will ship it next few hours04:52
jonwilso who is maintaining maemo-security-certman-common-ca then (certificate DB)?04:54
jonwilold maintainer? CSSU?04:54
*** pablocastellanos has joined #maemo04:58
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo04:59
DocScrutinizer05well, actually i'm not quite sure if we really already got that fix05:00
DocScrutinizer05assumed that since the guys hurried to ship a new T release05:01
DocScrutinizer05had no time to follow up the details05:01
*** maybeArgh has quit IRC05:02
*** _InvalidHandle_ has joined #maemo05:02
*** InvalidHandle has quit IRC05:03
*** maybeArgh has joined #maemo05:03
jonwilIt looks like merlin1991 made the actual change (i.e. there is no commit to the "upstream" repo) but where the actual content of that change came from I dont know (for example, who has whatever key is used to manage the signature at the end of certman.blacklist)05:22
jonwilanyhow, the main thing is that it IS being kept up to date with compromized certificates05:22
DocScrutinizer05I guess they used cert of CSSU then05:24
jonwilwe would need to ask merlin1991...05:24
DocScrutinizer05or nuked the signature of blacklist, which is a nonsense in my book anyway05:24
DocScrutinizer05tbh I don't see why anybody is signing the list with certs *I* decided to trust or not to trust05:25
DocScrutinizer05and which process is checking such signature, with which ley, and who's checking/signing the process that does this check05:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and which process is checking such signature, with which key, and who's checking/signing the process that does this check05:28
DocScrutinizer05this doesn't make sense, in fremantle05:29
DocScrutinizer05thank God it doesn't, otherwise we had Aegis' predecessor05:30
*** valdyn has joined #maemo05:31
*** hardaker has joined #maemo05:32
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: anyway, according to that script on tmo, removing certs is no problem05:34
DocScrutinizer05maybe they are just shipping that script as postinstall05:35
*** Theorbo has joined #maemo05:44
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC06:02
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC06:03
*** DocScrutinizer05 has joined #maemo06:03
*** zhxt has quit IRC06:05
*** retro|cz has quit IRC06:08
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC06:13
*** uen| has joined #maemo06:30
*** PocketWulfe has quit IRC06:32
*** uen has quit IRC06:33
*** uen| is now known as uen06:33
*** internetishard has joined #maemo06:42
internetishardIs there one source to check the latest n900 firmware? Or are there 3rd party firmwares too?06:42
internetishardAlso, how do you make it auto switch back to a real connection after switching to the MMS apn?06:51
*** _rd has joined #maemo06:58
Luke-Jrinternetishard: Gentoo ftw07:00
internetishardI don't follow, gentoo on n900?07:03
internetishardLuke-Jr: ...07:03
internetishardthat's a chroot, I don't see what you're answering...07:05
*** jeverling has quit IRC07:05
*** zogg__ has quit IRC07:05
Luke-Jrinternetishard: you can boot it07:09
*** _rd has quit IRC07:11
internetishardgot an example to link me to?07:11
*** jeverling has joined #maemo07:12
internetishardI think after all these years we should have easily bootable states we can pop into the n900. Like images or configuration management scripts to setup to a certain state.07:12
Luke-Jrnot really, I think I documented it somewhere, but I forget where <.<07:13
*** hardaker has quit IRC07:26
*** hardaker has joined #maemo07:37
*** zhxt has joined #maemo07:38
*** bugzy has quit IRC07:38
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo07:40
*** hardaker has quit IRC07:41
*** hardaker has joined #maemo07:42
*** bugzy has joined #maemo07:42
*** dev has quit IRC07:50
*** dev has joined #maemo07:50
*** toxarisswe has joined #maemo07:50
*** toxaris has quit IRC07:52
*** ab has joined #maemo08:03
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC08:07
*** landho has quit IRC08:09
*** hardaker has quit IRC08:26
*** VDVsx has quit IRC08:45
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo09:00
*** Theorbo has quit IRC09:04
*** Pali has joined #maemo09:05
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC09:07
*** lbt has joined #maemo09:12
*** lbt has quit IRC09:25
*** croppa has joined #maemo09:29
Paliping DocScrutinizer0509:33
Paliwhat is with autobuilder?09:33
Paliwhen will be online?09:33
*** Aoyagi_joytop has joined #maemo09:34
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo09:43
*** murrayc has joined #maemo10:07
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo10:12
*** VDVsx has quit IRC10:13
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Sorry about that. Realised in bed last night.10:14
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo10:14
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Daughter's birthday today, so I might have limited time to fix it up10:14
*** lbt has joined #maemo10:17
*** lbt has quit IRC10:17
*** lbt has joined #maemo10:17
*** calvaris has joined #maemo10:22
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:24
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo10:28
*** florian_kc has quit IRC10:28
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo10:28
*** florian_kc is now known as florian10:29
*** retro|cz has quit IRC10:33
*** vi____ has quit IRC10:41
*** vi____ has joined #maemo10:46
*** pcfe has joined #maemo10:53
*** Sosica has joined #maemo10:56
*** Muelli has joined #maemo10:59
*** Sosica has quit IRC11:09
*** thedead1440 has quit IRC11:16
*** thedead1440 has joined #maemo11:17
*** thedead1440 has quit IRC11:21
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo11:22
*** thedead1440 has joined #maemo11:22
*** eijk has joined #maemo11:37
*** thedead1440 has quit IRC11:38
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo11:38
*** thedead1440 has joined #maemo11:39
*** thetet has joined #maemo11:43
*** tanty has quit IRC11:49
*** bennym has joined #maemo11:51
*** Martix has joined #maemo11:55
*** zhxt has quit IRC11:57
*** tanty has joined #maemo12:01
*** Milhouse has quit IRC12:01
*** Lava_Croft has quit IRC12:01
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo12:02
*** Jade has quit IRC12:03
*** Jade has joined #maemo12:04
*** Jade has joined #maemo12:04
*** andre__ has joined #maemo12:04
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC12:07
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo12:09
*** Milhouse has quit IRC12:14
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo12:15
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo12:15
*** Hurrian has quit IRC12:21
*** Milhouse has quit IRC12:23
*** luf has joined #maemo12:24
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo12:24
*** Milhouse has quit IRC12:30
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC12:31
*** xes has joined #maemo12:32
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo12:32
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo12:32
*** croppa has quit IRC12:36
*** unclouded has quit IRC12:40
*** Lava_Croft has joined #maemo12:47
*** xes has quit IRC12:47
*** foo` has joined #maemo12:50
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo12:52
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo12:53
*** foo` has quit IRC12:53
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC12:55
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo12:57
*** Milhouse has quit IRC13:03
*** brzys has quit IRC13:06
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo13:11
*** SmilyOrg is now known as Smily13:12
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo13:18
*** zhxt has joined #maemo13:19
*** Milhouse has quit IRC13:24
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo13:26
*** valdyn has quit IRC13:27
*** valdyn has joined #maemo13:27
*** user_ has joined #maemo13:29
*** user_ is now known as n3mu513:29
*** Hurrian has quit IRC13:29
*** Milhouse has quit IRC13:32
n3mu5#j ubuntu13:32
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo13:34
*** FlameReaper-PC has quit IRC13:40
GeneralAntillesJaffa, no worries. I have time today. Be with your family, and happy birthday to your daughter.13:43
*** lizardo has joined #maemo13:45
*** sasquatch has joined #maemo13:46
*** krau|away is now known as krau13:47
*** Milhouse has quit IRC13:48
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo13:49
*** rcg has joined #maemo13:51
*** Milhouse has quit IRC14:00
*** n3mu5 has quit IRC14:00
*** _berto_ has quit IRC14:02
*** ekze has quit IRC14:02
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo14:03
*** Milhouse has quit IRC14:06
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo14:06
*** ekze has joined #maemo14:07
*** Muelli has quit IRC14:07
*** valdyn has quit IRC14:12
*** Milhouse has quit IRC14:18
*** vi____1 has joined #maemo14:21
*** vi____ has quit IRC14:21
thedead1440andre__: is it possible to get an export of bugzilla bugs packages?14:22
andre__thedead1440, I don't know what "bugs packages" are, plus which Bugzilla?14:23
andre__do you mean bug reports / tivckets?14:23
thedead1440yes bug reports + tickets14:23
thedead1440the only bugzilla not on seems to be for harmattan14:23
andre__depends on which projects you refer to.14:23
andre__e.g. there's also bugs.meego.com14:24
andre__or the private Nokia Bugzilla instance.14:24
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo14:24
thedead1440^^ that one14:24
andre__thedead1440, I have nothing to do with
andre__that's nokia.com14:25
andre__hence Nokia territory.14:25
thedead1440ah ok; sorry for the trouble then. Thanks!14:25
andre__not even sure if I still have shell access to TBH14:25
thedead1440oh; was just trying on a lead from TMO14:26
andre__I'm wondering who in Nokia to ask. Problem is that I have no clue who is left there.14:28
andre__maybe maybe maybe Eric Le Roux is still there, but nobody else comes to my mind.14:28
andre__I remember that some "good" folks in Nokia set up by bypassing official ways.14:28
andre__and Eric was one of them (the others coming to my mind have definitely left, Eric I don't know but probably too)14:29
*** vi____ has joined #maemo14:29
*** vi____1 has quit IRC14:29
thedead1440Eric Le Roux: I'm the EX-MeeGo EM Lead who used to work @ Nokia. Viva Bugzilla!14:31
*** Milhouse has quit IRC14:32
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo14:33
andre__Ah. Where did you find that?14:34
*** lbt has quit IRC14:34
andre__thedead1440, but why would you want anyway?14:34
*** etrunko has joined #maemo14:34
*** lbt has joined #maemo14:34
*** lbt has quit IRC14:34
*** lbt has joined #maemo14:34
thedead1440in case Nokia stops hosting it soon and it provides information on bugs, comments and workarounds14:35
andre__well, you could just carete a readonly copy?14:35
andre__it's been closed for ages anyway.14:36
thedead1440indeed HTML files would then be used right?14:36
*** EchoDev has quit IRC14:37
andre__1150 bug reports only. That's easy to crawl.14:37
*** Milhouse has quit IRC14:38
*** Darkchaos has joined #maemo14:38
*** kolp has joined #maemo14:39
*** EchoDev has joined #maemo14:39
*** valdyn has joined #maemo14:39
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo14:43
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo14:59
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:00
*** cyborg-one has quit IRC15:00
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:00
*** cyborg-one has joined #maemo15:02
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:07
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:10
*** thedead1440 has quit IRC15:14
*** Lava_Croft has quit IRC15:18
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:26
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:29
*** chenca has joined #maemo15:32
*** thedead1440 has joined #maemo15:33
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:37
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:38
*** Lava_Croft has joined #maemo15:39
*** murrayc has quit IRC15:41
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:46
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:48
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:51
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:51
*** guampa has joined #maemo15:55
*** Pali has quit IRC15:56
*** Milhouse has quit IRC15:58
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo15:58
*** Milhouse has quit IRC16:07
*** hardaker has joined #maemo16:08
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo16:08
*** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo16:10
*** Smily has quit IRC16:13
*** Milhouse has quit IRC16:16
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo16:19
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:24
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:24
*** Rantwolf has quit IRC16:24
*** Milhouse has quit IRC16:28
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo16:29
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo16:29
*** user has joined #maemo16:33
*** Milhouse has quit IRC16:36
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo16:37
*** Milhouse has quit IRC16:54
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo16:57
*** Milhouse has quit IRC17:03
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo17:05
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo17:07
*** cityLights has joined #maemo17:10
*** Milhouse has quit IRC17:12
*** florian has quit IRC17:13
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo17:14
*** Milhouse has quit IRC17:21
*** VDVsx has quit IRC17:23
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo17:25
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo17:28
*** cityLights has quit IRC17:31
*** Milhouse has quit IRC17:31
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo17:33
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo17:34
*** Estel_ has quit IRC17:34
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo17:34
*** setanta_ has joined #maemo17:34
Estel_~seen Pali17:34
*** Estel_ is now known as dhfdhfg17:34
dhfdhfg~seen Pali17:34
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 3h 41m 34s ago, saying: 'seems that tool "cmcli" could do that... there is -a param and need to specify "blacklist" domain'.17:35
*** lbt has quit IRC17:35
*** dhfdhfg is now known as Estel_17:35
Estel_freemangordon,  ping - do you, by any chance, read maemo-developers mailing list?17:35
merlin1991I supose you mean QF9700 post?17:36
* Estel_ nods17:37
Estel_do you have any info I've missed, merlin1991?17:38
merlin1991nope, do you know anything about someone trying to upstream that driver?17:38
*** Milhouse has quit IRC17:39
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo17:39
Estel_I vaguely remember google results about it being put into list - just missed "window" for submitting things for next kernel, or something like that17:39
Estel_i.e. it's rather about organizational things, bot bugs. AFAIK, sources are pretty clean, and no one usikng it encountered problems with modules itself (many, many people use it on desktops, compiling against own or mainstream kernels)17:40
Estel_google'ing now for more details about upstreaming17:41
Estel_although, as dm9601 made it into kernel, and it was released the same way - linux and android "generic" version released by Davicom + sources...17:42
Estel_it seems, that upstreaming this one too is a must.17:42
Estel_'a must' as in "just a matter of time"17:43
Estel_great, first result in google for "qf9700 kernel mainstream" is my mail to maemo-developers in mailing list archive, lol17:43
*** narcos has joined #maemo17:47
*** retro|cz has quit IRC17:53
*** toxarisswe has quit IRC17:54
*** setanta_ has quit IRC17:56
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I'll remove your infobot ignore, please don't mess with factoids17:57
DocScrutinizer05general factoid rule: nobody usually ever redefines factoids17:58
DocScrutinizer05create new ones if you like, and please prepend "#maemo " to the key, if factoid is not a globaly true one17:59
DocScrutinizer05~literal flash17:59
infobot"flash" is "<reply>see flashing"17:59
DocScrutinizer05~literal #maemo flash18:00
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo18:00
DocScrutinizer05~literal #maemo closed18:01
infobot"#maemo closed" is " or"18:01
DocScrutinizer05~literal closed18:01
infobot"#maemo closed" is " or"18:01
*** Milhouse has quit IRC18:02
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo18:04
*** toxaris has joined #maemo18:04
infobotEstel_: I'll remove your infobot ignore, please don't mess with factoids. general factoid rule: nobody usually ever redefines factoids. create new ones if you like, and please prepend "#maemo " to the key, if factoid is not a globaly true one18:05
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo18:05
*** thetet has quit IRC18:20
*** teotwaki has quit IRC18:20
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo18:25
*** konelix has joined #maemo18:25
Estel_Thanks DocScrutinizer05. No worries, I think everyone is more happy with me messing in Maemo internals, than Maemo politics. Furthermore, I'm more happy with it, too :D18:28
DocScrutinizer05happy users, that's what we like most :-D18:29
jonwilI try to avoid politics too18:29
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC18:29
jonwilI am much happier knee deep inside some ARM ASM or some C code than I am trying to deal with political BS :)18:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway, infobot ignore removed18:29
*** retro|cz has quit IRC18:30
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: you're speaking big truth18:31
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo18:31
DocScrutinizer05except for me it's technical concepts18:32
*** konelix has quit IRC18:32
DocScrutinizer05[general notice] our awesome CSSU crew shipped a CSSU-T7.2 version today that's supposed to fix the annoying TURKTRUST cert issue. AIUI we're 3rd "distro" that acted accordingly, worldwide :-D18:33
*** florian has joined #maemo18:34
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo18:36
*** Milhouse has quit IRC18:38
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo18:39
*** konelix has joined #maemo18:40
*** guampa has quit IRC18:41
*** zhxt has quit IRC18:42
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo18:43
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC18:43
*** konelix has quit IRC18:44
*** konelix has joined #maemo18:46
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo18:46
*** rcg has quit IRC18:46
*** hardaker has quit IRC18:47
jonwilI feel for all those people stuck on old builds of Android and iOS who will never see updates that blacklist these compromised certificates18:47
jonwilOn Maemo the relevant code and data is LGPL and can continue to be updated into the future as long as someone is out there with a N900, the skills to update the package and the interest and desire to do so18:48
*** Aoyagi has joined #maemo18:52
*** Milhouse has quit IRC18:55
*** konelix has quit IRC18:57
*** vi____ has quit IRC18:58
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo19:04
*** lxp has joined #maemo19:06
*** qwazix has left #maemo19:07
*** Estel_ has quit IRC19:09
*** Milhouse has quit IRC19:12
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo19:13
*** Pali has joined #maemo19:14
*** juozapas has joined #maemo19:16
juozapashi can u recommend some app for counting bandwidth when connected to cellular network (not wifi) ?19:18
*** hardaker has joined #maemo19:21
*** thomasjfox has joined #maemo19:22
*** lbt has joined #maemo19:25
*** retro|cz has quit IRC19:26
*** Milhouse has quit IRC19:26
*** toxaris has quit IRC19:26
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo19:27
*** vi____ has joined #maemo19:28
*** amermelao has joined #maemo19:30
*** calvaris has quit IRC19:33
PaliDocScrutinizer05, merlin1991: I have small hildon dialog application which ask user if he want to change Nokia supl server to Google supl19:38
freemangordonPali: you are hero man :)19:39
Paliwith 4 buttons: YES (always), NO (never), YES (for now), NO (for now)19:39
freemangordonPali: BTW why not on #maemo-ssu?19:39
Paliah, now I see its on #maemo19:40
*** lbt has quit IRC19:41
*** rcg has joined #maemo19:42
*** narcos has quit IRC19:42
*** jonwil has quit IRC19:44
*** at1as has joined #maemo19:45
*** SmilyOrg is now known as Smily19:48
*** toxaris has joined #maemo19:50
kerioPali: "for now"?19:53
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC19:54
*** lbt has joined #maemo19:57
*** FIQ has quit IRC19:57
*** FIQ has joined #maemo19:59
*** Darkchaos has quit IRC19:59
*** Milhouse has quit IRC20:01
*** toxaris has quit IRC20:03
*** trx has quit IRC20:03
*** luf has quit IRC20:08
*** trx has joined #maemo20:11
*** brkn has joined #maemo20:12
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo20:13
*** teotwaki has quit IRC20:16
*** Milhouse has quit IRC20:20
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo20:27
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo20:29
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo20:29
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo20:30
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo20:36
*** Milhouse has quit IRC20:36
*** guampa has joined #maemo20:39
JaffaGeneralAntilles: How's it going? Should be able to assist in the next hour or so :-/20:44
*** Theorbo has joined #maemo20:45
GeneralAntillesJaffa, slow. Had some unexpected company this morning. Not too many more left, though.20:46
*** pewter_tao has joined #maemo20:47
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:47
*** krau has left #maemo20:49
*** pewter_tao has left #maemo20:54
*** konelix has joined #maemo20:56
*** Theorbo has quit IRC20:58
*** Theorbo has joined #maemo21:00
*** lbt has left #maemo21:02
*** Theorbo has quit IRC21:03
*** _berto_ has quit IRC21:05
*** brzys has joined #maemo21:09
*** konelix has quit IRC21:16
*** Superpelican has joined #maemo21:18
*** luf has joined #maemo21:20
*** konelix has joined #maemo21:22
*** pablocastellanos has quit IRC21:28
*** thedead1440 has quit IRC21:30
*** thedead1440 has joined #maemo21:35
*** chenca has quit IRC21:36
*** chenca has joined #maemo21:36
*** shamus has quit IRC21:39
*** shamus has joined #maemo21:40
*** konelix has quit IRC21:44
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC21:46
*** eMHa__ has joined #maemo21:46
*** konelix has joined #maemo21:47
*** sq-one has joined #maemo21:47
*** guampa has quit IRC21:49
*** Suiseiseki has quit IRC21:50
*** qwazix has joined #maemo21:51
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Online now. Need to get the kids to bed21:55
*** Superpelican has quit IRC21:55
*** valdyn_ has joined #maemo21:59
*** valdyn has quit IRC21:59
*** valdyn_ is now known as valdyn21:59
*** Venusaur has joined #maemo22:00
*** ZogG has joined #maemo22:01
*** PocketWulfe has joined #maemo22:01
*** unclouded has joined #maemo22:18
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo22:19
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC22:19
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo22:19
*** dafox has joined #maemo22:21
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo22:29
NeutrinoPowermaybe my N900 is destroyed, I didn't chanced the software on maemo, last time I listed music before a few hours but now it doesn't boot, only until the white-blue Nokia-bootscreen disappears... :(22:33
*** valdyn has quit IRC22:38
lufNeutrinoPower: what repositories are you using?22:38
kerioNeutrinoPower: battery?22:38
*** valdyn has joined #maemo22:38
*** mvp_ has joined #maemo22:38
kerioluf: easier things first22:38
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: good seller! complete and new device in perfect condition. will buy again any time. :-D22:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 5th?22:41
kerioneeds a name22:42
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I got 2 others without a name22:42
kerioyou monster :(22:42
DocScrutinizer05i might it call gift22:43
DocScrutinizer05since it came in awesome xmas paper22:43
DocScrutinizer05also nice22:43
keriowhat about the other two, though? :s22:44
*** Lava_Croft has quit IRC22:44
DocScrutinizer05hm, scarface and blue22:44
*** Lava_Croft has joined #maemo22:44
*** jreznik has joined #maemo22:45
keriois there a history for those names?22:45
DocScrutinizer05scarface is really used, and blue came from bluefon22:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: now i feel kinda bad22:45
keriothe current n900 is kerio900 for obvious reasons22:46
keriobut the old n900 is still there in its box22:46
kerioand he used to be kerio90022:46
kerio*his box22:46
NeutrinoPowerluf: extras-testing and extras-devel22:46
kerio...i suppose that he's still kerio900, just without a battery and not being used anymore22:46
NeutrinoPowerit also didn't boot with USB-connection but now I hear the start-sound22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you choose the gender of your own phones, i choose the gender of mine22:47
RST38hkerio: You have just reminded me22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, wanna buy a phone with a broken usb port?22:48
RST38hMuch quieter this way.22:48
kerioRST38h: glad to help22:49
NeutrinoPoweryeah, the N900 works again! :)22:49
NeutrinoPowerI dont' know why22:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: italian keyboard, not sure which hv rev, rapuyama had some problems, usb port is nonworking but can still get a connection somehow22:50
keriofairly scratched22:50
kerio...i'm not sure why i still have it22:51
DocScrutinizer05isn't worth the shipping22:51
NeutrinoPowerI have activated "SmartReflex" since a few weeks without problems22:51
kerioNeutrinoPower: it should work without issues with a recent kernel-power22:51
DocScrutinizer05unless you got a hw rev where it fails22:52
cehtehlike mine :P22:52
kerioooh, there are some known hv revs where it fails?22:52
*** lizardo has quit IRC22:52
cehtehdoes it make a noticeable difference on the n900?22:52
DocScrutinizer05that's a particularly good question22:53
keriocehteh: eeh, probably not22:53
DocScrutinizer05never heard any *hard* numbers22:53
DocScrutinizer05after all it's just hw driven Vcore vs sw-controlled Vcore changing22:53
keriocan't really hurt though, if it works22:54
cehtehwith an undervolted device there isnt much room for driving vcore22:54
keriocehteh: oh you22:54
DocScrutinizer05so the main difference would be in less "overhead" for switching Vcore "manually" and using up CPU cycles for that22:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the cpu cycles are probably used anyway, though22:55
keriocehteh: is undervolting really worth it?22:55
DocScrutinizer05yup, unless you deactivate the Vcore switching in sw22:55
cehtehcpu cycles when the cpu is awake are not that expensive22:55
cehtehkerio: yes, with some caution, and dont do it too extreme, but the stock values are on a 'save bet which works everywhere' so there is quite some room22:56
cehtehbut its really hard to debug and proof22:56
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: Thanks, don't happen to want a Tapwave Zodiac do you? hahaha22:57
cehtehanyways i found out that the dsp was malfunctioning on the low freq undervoltate, not on high frequency22:57
cehtehthat was a pita to find out22:57
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: probably not22:57
cehtehincreased voltage for the 250mhz combo slightly fixed it22:57
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: That's okay… nobody does :D22:57
keriohm, the cpu on this one can't stand the "ideal" kernel-config22:58
GadgetoidGot my Revo K101 from the office today, nice GBA clone22:58
cehtehideal is undervolting22:58
keriowhich i'm not really sure why is called "ideal"22:58
cehtehi have 250-850 derrived from ideal but slightly adapted22:58
*** valdyn has quit IRC22:58
*** valdyn has joined #maemo22:59
keriomeh, OCing isn't really worth it imo22:59
cehtehyes .. and its a very specific thing to your device22:59
cehtehmore ram :(22:59
cehtehoc helps a little in few apps ...22:59
*** XenonXZ has joined #maemo23:00
cehtehwhat would help a lot would be more ram or compcache/zram at least23:00
DocScrutinizer05OC is worth it when you're bound to some timepace like for 25fps23:00
DocScrutinizer05either you make it, or not23:00
cehtehbut nokias kernel changes for swapping introduce some bugs in compcache23:00
DocScrutinizer05for anything else, OC by less than 100% is evidently mostly placebo23:00
cehtehmy rasberrypi works *much* more smoothly with zram23:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer05: for few cpu bound apps it helps ...23:01
cehtehbut as soon you have mmc io or display io things are leveled23:01
DocScrutinizer05it helps to become *maybe* 30% faster, that's however a speedup most users don't even notice23:02
cehtehrendering in monav is noticeable faster23:02
keriocehteh: why monav and not modrana?23:02
cehtehvector maps23:02
kerio...that *is* neat23:02
cehtehand *awesome* routing capabilities23:03
keriomodrana uses monav's routing :)23:03
cehtehdunno does modrana use the monav routing ... ah yes23:03
cehtehwell i have an old monav on my device and put updates on blacklist23:03
cehtehbecause my map data is slightly outdated .. but works still better than anything else23:03
cehtehtoo lazy to generate new maps23:04
*** Muelli has joined #maemo23:04
keriodo i need to do that?23:04
cehtehif you dont find a place where you can download maps for the actual monav, then yes23:04
keriono, i mean, can't i generate the map tiles on the device itself?23:05
cehtehi used the old 'germany_big' maps from christoph .. but the newer monav changed the on disk formar23:05
cehtehvector format and some special files for routing23:05
cehtehmonav's routing logic is fast because of an awesome engineered format which puts the logic in the preprocessed files23:06
cehtehgenerating this files needs a lot resources and a beefy computer23:06
keriothe mapsets are pregenerated, right?23:06
keriothe ones on
cehtehmonav itself just traverses this and can do routing acros the whole country in a blink of a eye23:07
cehtehyes iirc these are not compatible with the actual monav version23:07
kerioaww :(23:07
cehtehi used the germay_big there (unpacked and then packed it again on a squashfs)23:07
cehtehneeded me to backport squashfs tools for the squashfs version on the n900 as well23:08
cehtehand the germany_big map includes insanely much details .. even small trails and footpaths, only that its few years old now23:09
cehtehand bike/hike routing works extremely well23:09
cehteh(in most cases .. haha sometimes OSM data fails)23:09
cehtehah kerio the 'osm installer for the n900' on that page contains the old version i am using .. the maps are compatible with that23:11
kerioso i shouldn't use the one on extras-devel?23:11
*** sq-one has quit IRC23:13
cehtehnope that one is newer23:13
cehtehor use that and generate new maps23:13
*** XenGi has joined #maemo23:15
*** XenonXZ has left #maemo23:16
*** XenGi has quit IRC23:16
*** XenGi_ is now known as XenGi23:16
keriocehteh: well, you could redownload the german maps from there23:16
cehtehi prolly generate new maps  and recompress them23:17
cehtehmy new laptop should be beefy enough :P23:17
*** XenonXZ has joined #maemo23:21
*** NIN101 has quit IRC23:24
keriowhy squashfs, though?23:24
StyXmancehteh: these monav files are tha same ones that marble, the qt/kde app can use?23:26
*** etrunko has quit IRC23:29
StyXmanright now I see in your site the file for Spain from 2011-04-20, but marble has a file for teh same country from 30/12/201223:29
kerioStyXman: where are those files?23:30
cehtehStyXman: the monav from extras-devel is newer and needs another format23:31
kerioStyXman: marble uses the monav routing23:31
keriothe maps are tile based i think23:31
keriocehteh: yay vector maps23:33
keriobut no sea :(23:33
cehtehno sea?23:33
cehtehhehe .. since i live in the southwest of germany now i never checked :)23:34
keriono blue area around italy23:34
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC23:34
cehtehwell other water bodies are seen .. lakes and rivers23:34
*** Theorbo has joined #maemo23:35
*** valdyn has quit IRC23:37
*** amermelao has quit IRC23:39
*** XenonXZ has quit IRC23:39
*** piggz_ has joined #maemo23:42
M4rtinKcehteh, kerio: if you need just Monav routing data, I have a dataset with world coverage from october23:42
kerioM4rtinK: modrana uses tiles :(23:43
M4rtinK(it was generated in less than 5 hours on a server generously provided by my Uni :) )23:43
cehtehM4rtinK: that doesnt work with the monav vector rendering?23:43
M4rtinKcehteh: I skipped vector map data generation23:44
kerioM4rtinK: :(23:44
*** piggz has quit IRC23:44
M4rtinKas thatsa currently not supported by modRana23:44
cehtehwell i look into generating my own maps23:44
kerioM4rtinK: generated from world.osm?23:44
M4rtinKI wanted to get the map packages ass small as possible23:44
cehtehi like what christoph did .. germany with big bounding box into neighbouring countries23:44
M4rtinKfrom the individual geofabrik extracts23:45
*** piggz_ has quit IRC23:46
M4rtinKusing a diffed planet.osm & osmosis to get the extracts is on my TODO list23:46
M4rtinKBTW, the repository generator is here:23:47
kerioM4rtinK: are there premade map packages for modrana?23:47
M4rtinKshouldn't be difficult to modify the monav-preprocessor commandline to also include vector map data23:48
M4rtinKkerio: only the global Monav routing data23:48
kerioi was talking about the tile23:48
M4rtinKkerio: nope, none23:48
*** valdyn has joined #maemo23:49
*** piggz_ has joined #maemo23:49
keriocehteh: can monav do voices?23:49
keriomarble can, but i'm not sure which kind of maps it uses23:50
M4rtinKIIRC there is some branch that does voice directions23:50
cehtehchristoph  worked on that, actually had it working at home, but i dont know if that made it into the mainline23:50
M4rtinKand of course modRana has voice directions for the routes provided by Monav23:50
*** Theorbo has quit IRC23:50
cehtehi can ask him when i met him .. but thats some weeks ahead :)23:50
cehtehi dunno about the current state of monav either .. if anyone developing on it23:51
cehtehthe main author vanished iirc and other contributors are occupied23:51
*** eijk_ has joined #maemo23:51
M4rtinKBTW, I would like to also support vector map rendering in modRana eventually23:51
*** eijk has quit IRC23:51
cehtehM4rtinK: that would be cool23:51
M4rtinKprobably based on the Kothic project:
M4rtinKshould be quite straightforward for the GTK UI23:52
M4rtinKthe resulting maps can look like this:
kerioM4rtinK: how is one supposed to tell modrana to download a nation, or something like that?23:54
M4rtinKkerio: it is not yet supported in the UI23:56
*** PocketWulfe has quit IRC23:56
M4rtinKand also the repository doesn't generate the necessary metadata for this to work yet23:57
M4rtinKyou have to download the data manually for now23:57
M4rtinKBTW, there is a guide how to do it:
M4rtinKeventually I would like to do it like in marble23:57
M4rtinKcontinent->country->region, select what package you want23:58
M4rtinK+ update notifications23:58
M4rtinK+ differential updates with zsync :)23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!