IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-01-06

Estel_[ 1837.984039] usb 1-1: Product: USB 2.0 10/100M Ethernet Adaptor00:00
keriothat's irrelevant, it's just taking power00:00
kerioand the name is part of the usb specs in general i think00:00
Estel_it lights up, and device on the other side (notebook) detects RJ45 being plugged in (it doesn't, when adaptor isn't enumerated by N900)00:00
Estel_still, no interface created00:01
keriohm, plugged in and powered but not enumerated?00:01
kerioEstel_: could you try it on a linux box and check what module gets loaded?00:01
Estel_it wouldn't print "product: USB (...)" without being enumerated00:01
ShadowJKI've never had much luck with $2 usb ethernet adapters even on PC..00:01
Estel_ShadowJK,  yea, I saw your comment about davicom00:01
Estel_although, this one works well on PC00:02
ShadowJKlol what, I was just going to mention that one00:02
Estel_and it isn't davicom methinks (no davicom module auto-load, and it's part of kp too)00:02
Estel_ShadowJK,  I've done my homework and seen every TMO thread about those dongles :P00:02
Estel_anyway, I noticed something that "may" be related, in syslog:00:02
Estel_eithers module is incomplete, wrong one is loaded, or I have no idea00:04
Estel_funniest thing - once, I got interface "uplink0" (sic!) created, no idea how and why, wasn't able to reproduce. It wasn't working in any way, too00:04
Estel_peterleinched (in thread where ShadowJK commented on davicom) was able to get eth0 on his davicom, and ping it locally, no remote ping, though00:05
Estel_I'm not even on step of interface up. Any ideas, how to force this cheap bastard to work?00:05
Estel_kerio,  I haven't ignored your idea of checking module from linuxbox, will do that too00:05
ShadowJKCheck what module gets loaded on pc where it works?00:05
Estel_sadly, had tested in on windoze only, till now. Lack of linuxboxes around... :( will make PITA for myself and download liveCD and run frolm it00:06
Estel_aptosid should be recent enough, methinks, to contain such modules?00:07
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Estel_(no linuxboxes around - joys of travelling)00:07
kerioi suppose so00:07
* Estel_ is noob when it comes on using USB-> eth adapters anyway, so not even sure how to test it properly on linuxbox, after setting one up from livecd on some PC around here00:08
kerioconnect other computer, configure static ipv4, send ping and other stuff00:08
ShadowJKfirst google result claims davicom00:09
Estel_BTW, cheap buying rox - from same supplier, I got RJ45/RJ11/BCN cable tester. Noticed, that it fails to check shield on RJ45. Disassembled. Well, it couldn't work, as there was no indication diode at all, for ground, neither on master or remote00:10
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Estel_ShadowJK,  hm. Quite possible. Why the hell it doesn't pick up daviom driver from KP?00:10
kerioEstel_: try loading it manually00:10
ShadowJKBut the davicom driver in powerkernel doesn't have those IDs00:10
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Estel_unknown PID, even for driver?00:10
kerioi'm not sure what's supposed to load modules00:10
Estel_ShadowJK,  manual loading should work, or unknown ID will render it futile?00:11
ShadowJKthe module doesn't have an option to try drive arbitrary devices00:11
Estel_(ending story with shield check on cable tester - just soldered 2 diodes there, and it wprks as it should - funny enough, they were lacking on brand new, sealed device)00:11
Estel_ShadowJK,  sorry for lame question - does your last sentence mean "manual loading won't work"?00:13
Estel_...and only way is to recompile module with my device's ID included?00:13
Estel_(not sure though, but if it's really davicom, it's rather recent one)00:14
kerioyou need 1) to load the module or make sure that it's loaded automatically, and 2) to make sure the module knows how to work00:14
keriousually drivers for usb devices have a way to force them to work with a certain device00:14
keriobut it's module-specific i suppose00:14
ShadowJKusually devices more well known to come with batshit crazy random IDs00:15
Estel_davicom should be known to come with those, well enough :P00:16
Estel_ping Pali00:18
Estel_well, it's davicom for sure (after some googling)00:19
Estel_JP1082 chip, whatever it means00:20
Estel_fun fact - seller claims that it's compatible with Android00:20
Estel_and that android (= linux) drikvers are included in this funny mini-cd, included with package00:21
* Estel_ is wondering, if those could be of any use00:21
keriowhich drivers are those?00:22
Estel_JP1082 :P sounds like bullshit name, investigating...00:22
Estel_funny enough, android kids claim to sucesfully use this very model on their devices00:23
Estel_(google result in some discussions)00:23
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Estel_time to put this optical USB drive iinto use P;)00:23
* Estel_ is connecting it to N900)00:24
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ShadowJKfirst hit on google for me found some driver written by davicom00:25
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Estel_same here, as ultra-slim optical drive readers are unabe to read mini-cd's...00:26
Estel_so it's basically a trashdisk for me ;)00:26
warfarenso i've "bricked" my N900 to the 5 dots loading screens. supposedly because i have a .profile in my home folder00:26
keriowarfaren: it's not because of that, probably00:27
kerio...well, maybe00:27
warfarenwell it could be because that's what i found.. someone else had the same problem on google00:27
warfarenand he deleted that file and it fixed it00:27
Estel_ShadowJK,  could you check if ID there match my one?00:27
warfarenso my question is can i mount the file system to my laptop over USB?00:27
warfaren/dev/sdb and sdc appears as i connect it but mount just loads for a while and then doesn't recognize it00:28
ShadowJKYes the first search for your id gave me that00:28
Estel_wait, i can do it myself, too. Sorryp got confused for a while00:28
ShadowJKor rather someone editing davicom drivers for your id00:28
Estel_so now the "easy" task of compiling it for kernel-power, without dev enviromnent (or even stable linuxbox) around :P00:28
keriowarfaren: 5 dots loading screen and then what?00:29
warfarennope just stuck infintely00:29
Estel_or is there any better way?00:29
warfareni was stupid enough to run bash from .profile to make it my default shell. didn't realise it would run .profile on boot00:29
warfarenprobably it just launches the shell and then gets nowhere00:29
keriowarfaren: /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc are the two LUNs that usb mass storage uses, but nothing's actually attached to them00:29
warfareni see.00:30
kerioso it's no use going from there00:30
warfarenokay. what about the flashing mode you get by holding U?00:30
keriooh well, time for rescueOS00:30
keriowarfaren: won't let you access, only write - afaik00:30
infobotit has been said that rescue-os is
kerioyou need a working flasher-3.500:30
warfarenwhat's that? hardware or a program?00:30
Estel_warfaren,  while I understand urge to have shell that you're used to, isn't it better to use busybox-power? ash/bash compliance on scripts you may want to use/share is PITA00:31
keriothe flashing program from nokia00:31
kerioEstel_: busybox-power's sh is still a piece of crap for interactive usage00:31
warfarenEstel_: you're probably right. i just got the phone (used) and wanted to see if i could make it my default shell that way.. heh...00:31
warfarenreally just been messing around00:31
Estel_OTOH, haven't seen any thing that bash is capable of, that couldn't be done using busybox-power and it's toolset00:31
keriowarfaren: oh, hold on00:32
ShadowJKit's easier to just type "bash" :P00:32
keriowill you lose data if you reflash?00:32
kerioShadowJK: it's much easier to chsh00:32
kerioand not have to do anything00:32
Estel_warfaren,  DocScrutinizer05 posted guide "somewhere" for bash lovers to make it default shell without putting it as boottime one...00:32
Estel_still, isn't worth the effort, IMO00:32
keriobut it can be set as the default shell :(00:32
warfarenyeah i can live without it really00:32
keriofor both user and root00:32
keriowarfaren: you said you got the phone used, right?00:32
kerioand did you reflash?00:33
warfarenyep.. a few days ago00:33
keriodo you have data that you don't want to lose at the moment on it?00:33
warfarennope not yet just wanted to try it out for a few days before i put any work into it00:33
warfarenin case it had any hardware defects so i could return it00:33
keriowarfaren: well then it's easy00:33
keriojust reflash to the factory conditions :)00:33
warfarenso yeah well if i could mount /home/user/MyDocs and grab stuff off of there before reflashing it would be nice00:34
keriooh so you do have data there00:34
warfarenbut i assume it might not let me mount that very easily?00:34
warfarenjust a little00:34
warfarenworst case i'll forget about it00:34
kerionah, it's still possible - and via usb mass storage, too00:34
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keriofirst you need to install flasher-3.500:34
warfarenokay thanks ill look into it00:35
warfarenim on ubuntu 10.04 btw00:35
kerioblacklist cdc_phonet too00:35
warfarenokay. lsmod tells me that is currently loaded00:36
kerioadd "blacklist cdc_phonet" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf00:37
warfarenso i modprobe -r it first? so i dont have to reboot?00:37
kerioalso unload it, yes00:37
keriothen install flasher-3.500:38
warfarenmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb i assume?00:38
keriothat's correct, yes00:39
kerioi hope you can run x86 binaries00:39
warfarenyep i'm on an x86 32 bit install00:39
Estel_ShadowJK,  as I haven't done it before - while searching for drivers, I should use vendor ID, productID, or both?00:40
warfarenalright flasher-3.5 installed00:40
Estel_as for "haven't done it before" I mean recomopiling random drivers for kernel-power with modded ID + requesting inclusion in kernel-power :P00:40
Estel_or the important bit is combined ID, aka fe6_9700 in my case?00:41
keriowarfaren: how much do you care about the stuff in MyDocs?00:42
ShadowJKi just copypasted the idvendor and ifproduct from your paste into google00:42
warfarenenough to give it a try if it doesn't take too long00:42
* Estel_ nods00:42
keriodownload 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img00:43
keriomake sure your N900 is turned off00:43
warfarenyep. also i think this is good to do for future reference. in case i mess it up again and have some really important stuff on there that time00:44
keriothen run flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"00:44
kerioon your box, as root00:44
warfarenconnect USB yet?00:44
keriowhere initrd.img is the .img you just downloaded00:44
keriono, not yet00:44
kerioflasher-3.5 will tell you "suitable device not found, waiting"00:44
BCMMI have two n900s here. both run the latest CSSU testing and they have identical sources.lists. one of them can't install fbreader because it can't find libfribidi0. there are not even any results for apt-cache search libfribidi0. what is going on here?00:44
keriothen you hold U, and attach the usb cable00:44
kerio(hold U on the n900 keyboard)00:44
kerioit should load it up00:45
kerioit'll ask you some things regarding networking, say no - you don't care about that00:45
warfarenthat's so cool. so i just streamed the kernel over USB? like PXE booting? :P00:45
kerioyou'll want to run /rescueOS/mass-storage-enable.sh00:46
keriofor reference, if your n900 doesn't have an english keyboard: "/" is fn+v00:46
warfarenactually i have a swedish one and that's what it really is00:46
kerio(only in rescueOS - the proper maemo install will of course follow the printed layout)00:46
keriowell, that's convenient :)00:47
kerioto TAB for completion, use ctrl+i00:47
warfarenwas just about to ask yer :D00:47
kerio(it also works on most terminals everywhere on linux!)00:47
warfarenmind reader :D00:47
warfarennicee thanks i didn't know that one00:47
kerioonce you've enabled usb mass storage you should get two partitions exported00:47
kerioyou can access them on your computer as you please00:47
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warfarenhm that shellscript gave me some errors00:48
kerioonce you're done copying your data, and this is something that i should've told you before, start downloading the latest release of the flashable images00:48
keriooh, that's not good00:48
keriowhich errors?00:48
warfareng_file_storage gadget: No serial-number string provided!00:48
keriomeh, probably harmless00:48
keriodo you see the partitions on your ubuntu box?00:48
warfareng_file_storage gadget-lun0: unable to open backing file: /dev/mmcblk1p200:49
keriohrmpf :s00:49
warfarenmodprobe: 'kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_file_storage.ko': unknown symbol in module or invalid parameter00:49
warfarenill check if the devices appeared00:49
kerioyou don't have an SD inserted, do you?00:49
warfarenand no i only have sda know which is my hdd00:49
kerioNIN101: bugfix pls00:50
keriowarfaren: ugly fix: ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk1p100:50
kerioln -s /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk1p200:50
kerioactually no, the other way around00:50
kerioyou know what i mean00:50
BCMMany idea what could cause an n900s to not be able to find a package that an n900 with an identical sources.list can find?00:50
keriono wait, it's right00:50
kerioBCMM: are you using apt-get or HAM?00:50
keriowarfaren: the issue is that the internal memory is mmcblk0 if there's no SD, and mmcblk1 if there is00:51
warfareni see00:51
BCMMkerio: either00:51
keriosorry for making you type all this stuff :(00:51
warfarenno worries im just very happy to get help! :D00:52
warfarennow i got the same error again but about mmcblk1p1 this time00:52
BCMMkerio: i can't install fbreader on one of them because it depends on libzlibrary which depends on libfribidi0 which can't be found00:52
warfareni only ran the second thing you wrote. thought the first was a mistype?00:52
warfarenor was i supposed to do both?00:52
keriowarfaren: no, both00:52
kerioyou need to make the mmcblk1p1 and mmcblk1p2 devices appear somehow :)00:53
BCMMkerio: same in ham or apt-get. apt-cache search libfribidi0 has no results on the one with the problem. seems that libfribidi0 was in pr1.2 so should pretty much just be available right?00:53
warfarenyup that did it :D mounted them too!00:53
kerioBCMM: indeed, i have it in some nokia repos00:53
keriowarfaren: phew00:53
keriook, copy off your data and then do whatever with the n900, we're going to reflash it completely now00:53
warfarenis it read only?00:54
keriowhich is something that should be done, on a used device00:54
warfareni'd kinda like to try and rename .profile00:54
warfarenjust to see if that helps?00:54
keriowarfaren: it should be rw, and it would probably fix your issue00:54
warfareni see00:54
keriobut really, if it's a second-hand device you really want to reflash it00:54
warfareni just wanna know for sure so that i don't run into the same thing again you know?00:54
BCMMkerio: just checked with teh working n900 and apt-get reinstall; i can still download it. i might just copy the .deb to the other phone but it feels like there is an underlying problem here...00:54
warfareni dont mind hitting page up a few times and following your steps again :)00:54
BCMMhow can i find out which exact repo i installed a package from?00:55
keriowarfaren: i'm confident that it would fix it00:55
warfarenif you say so00:55
kerioand i'm confident that you shouldn't run programs that don't quit in your .profile00:55
warfarenokay :P00:55
kerionow, as i was saying00:56
warfareni really wanna try though because i've been messing around with a lot of other stuff and haven't rebooted for 23 hours00:56
keriodownload and
warfarenbut yeah i should certainly do a full reflash after that00:56
warfareni was planning on it anyways00:56
keriothen do it00:56
keriomove or change .profile, umount everything, reboot from the n90000:56
kerio(unplug the usb cable too)00:57
warfarenokay halt or just hold power button?00:57
keriotype halt00:57
kerioi'm not sure that the power button does anything, in rescueOS00:57
warfareni see00:57
warfarenyup that did it alright00:58
warfarenno more infinite loading dots00:58
warfarenhm why does it go into first time setup though? because of power loss when i removed battery?00:59
kerioyeah, that's one of the common problems of the n90000:59
keriothe battery that holds the clock is awful, and fails after a year or so01:00
warfarenokay. so yeah now that the phone is booted normally should i just backup my data from here instead or do you recommend me going back into rescueos?01:00
warfareni see01:00
keriojust backup your data normally i guess01:00
NIN101kerio: seems again some of those mmcblkX issues01:00
kerioin the meantime, download those two images01:00
Estel_kerio,  it's not about battery quality01:00
NIN101when sd card is inserte dor not01:00
kerioNIN101: it's not an issue, it's known behaviour01:00
kerioweird behaviour, admittedly01:01
Estel_it was bug in stock kernel- as result, goldcap was never recharged01:01
kerioEstel_: really? :o01:01
warfarenokay, i never really plugged the usb cable in before. will it let me access to the entire root filesystem like in rescueos? or just MyDocs?01:01
kerioso i can expect mine to keep working?01:01
Estel_that why most of them die after a year or so01:01
keriowarfaren: just MyDocs, if you enable the usb mass storage mode01:01
Estel_well, kernel-power (latest or so) fixes it01:01
kerioEstel_: and of course they can't be charged once they die01:01
Estel_but obviously it won't revive dead goldcaps01:01
Estel_yea ;)01:01
kerioso i can expect mine to last, neat01:01
warfarenwell ill let you know when i'm done backing stuff up01:01
keriowarfaren: other common issues: microusb port failing01:02
kerioso treat it gently01:02
warfarenoh yeah i've read about that on wikipedia01:02
Estel_well, probably yes, although it could lose most of it's capacity, in pre-fix times, even if it's alive01:02
Estel_warfaren,  instead of acknowleding usb problem, just solder it down as per dr_frost_dk's thread01:02
kerioand the cellmo could have some solder issues and it could eventually stop working01:02
warfarenmy N8's micro usb is all loose and this phone is from the same era so i expect it to be of the same quality01:02
keriowarfaren: if you can find your way around a soldering iron, solder it down01:02
warfarenEstel_: got a link for that? i'd like to bookmark it. and solder my N8's port if it's similar01:03
NIN101kerio: so as far as I remember, mmcblk0 = sd card on other systems than maemo because on maemo some udev script is in place. but if sd card is not present, then emmc is mmcblk0, correct?01:03
infobotwell, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)01:03
Estel_warfaren,  microUSB problem - in every device - is that it's SMD01:03
warfareni see01:03
kerioNIN101: yep01:03
keriothey fucked that up good and proper01:03
Estel_microusb can have more mating cycles, but it's all for nothing, as they have switched to smd for microUSB since miniUSB01:03
ShadowJKEstel_; i thought it was eventually discovered that Nolo sets up the charge of backupbat01:03
Estel_ShadowJK,  hm? I'm not aware of that, last time I checked it was considered soft bug?01:04
Estel_I might have missed some new "discoveries"01:04
NIN101ok so because I have my sd card always inserted I never stumbled upon this problem. Also because rescueOS was originally an sd card only system, then the initrd appeared :S01:04
keriohm, i remember something like that, yes01:04
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ShadowJKI think N800 miniusb was smd too, but you dont use it for charging..01:04
ShadowJKAlso, I've seen current era Lumias with broken usb ports :)01:05
ShadowJKso the problem is for sure not yetfixed01:05
keriowarfaren: have you put a sim card in yet?01:05
kerioif you haven't, don't01:05
warfarenbtw is the micro usb port the only charging port on the N900? i know nokia has this super tiny round hole for charging on some devices. i just wonder if i didnt find it or if it doesn't have it?01:05
warfarenah no i haven't01:05
warfarendon't plan on either01:05
Estel_my latest idea - checking, if closest part of PCB under N900's microUSB doesn't contain inside-paths...01:05
kerioreflash, then don't put your sim in until you remove the "cherry" package01:05
ShadowJKIt only has microusb port01:05
keriooh, really? :o01:05
Estel_drilling it with 0.5 mm drill01:06
keriothen i guess that the possible modem problem won't be a problem for you01:06
warfarenyeah i have a few other phones already that i am kinda attached to01:06
warfareni just want this phone as a mini computer really01:06
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warfarenwith wifi01:06
keriowarfaren: suit yourself - it's not that good of a phone anyway01:06
Estel_and mounting microUSB with solder-through, soldering it to ground plane on other side01:06
keriomobile data is useful though01:06
kerioand you should still remove the "cherry" package01:06
warfarenokay, what does it do?01:06
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Estel_can't agree, with correct software, mobile computer called N900;) becomes best phone suite too01:07
kerioit's some nokia sms subscription service bullshit01:07
warfareni see01:07
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kerioit will eventually send an international sms to nokia01:07
kerioremoving the "cherry" package prevents that01:07
warfareni have the N9 too01:07
Estel_only once per reflash, but still it's shit01:07
warfarenbut i really wanted the keyboard.. hehe.. and N950's are too hard to get01:07
Estel_warfaren,  belive me, N950 are not that great01:08
Estel_not usb hostmode, no microSD...01:08
warfarenoh yeah..01:08
Estel_crappy capacity screen, no FM transmitter...01:08
Estel_freakin' irritating system01:08
kerioEstel_: does the N9 have a fmtx?01:08
warfarenyeah i'm really impressed with the hardware of the N900. so much more modular than the N901:08
Estel_kerio, sure, but it is surface mounted and not connected to antenna :P01:09
kerioyeah, fremantle is much better than harmattan01:09
Estel_i.e. leg of fm chip for transmitting01:09
kerioEstel_: what? :s01:09
jaskano microsd on 950? o.O didnt know01:09
keriohahaha nice01:09
Estel_isn't connected to antenna01:09
kerioso it's even worse than the n900?01:09
warfarenkinda like the N8 but with an inferior camera :P01:09
Estel_jaska,  yea01:09
Estel_kerio - no much chances for fixing fmtx01:09
warfarenkerio: yeah i've already noticed that. i like harmattan but fremantle is just wow01:09
Estel_i.e. as easy as increasing ram on N900 :P01:09
warfareni even started googling for if you could install it on the N9 :P01:09
kerioEstel_: don't go there :(01:09
keriowarfaren: are you downloading VANILLA.bin and COMBINED.bin in the meantime?01:10
Estel_warfaren,  there is Mer and Nemo, that you can install on N9/50, but hardware adaptation isn't full and probably wont be01:10
* ShadowJK suspects usb ports will break even if they were throughhole01:10
ShadowJKsince usb ports are fundamentally shit01:10
warfarenkerio: yeah they finished up some time ago01:10
kerioEstel_: and besides, they're still annoying :)01:10
Estel_ShadowJK,  why? most of the time, they break due to side-moves01:10
Estel_well, there was a Cordia project (hildon-like UI for Mer), but it's never going to be complete, belive me ;)01:11
ShadowJKI mean, I've broken 2 usb ports on my *PC*, and those ports were bolted to aluminium frame01:11
Estel_maybe lipstick/Nemo will allow to mimic hildon feats, but...01:11
Estel_ShadowJK,  lol01:11
Estel_I have never, ever, seen regular size USB port becoming broken01:12
Estel_I mean regular way, that doesn't include kicking machine in rage by someone01:12
Estel_throwing from window etc01:12
Estel_well, I lied a little - I have seen one spring inside big USB port breaking, for no reason. Fixed it easily.01:13
ShadowJKit's this problem:
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kerioShadowJK: heh, i knew exactly which comic that was01:14
keriobefore clicking the link01:14
kerioit's weird, i thought it only worked with xkcd01:14
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Estel_well, call me insane, but I *always* check big USB plug alligment before plugging01:14
Estel_kinda sub-consciouss habit01:14
ShadowJKNeed to get an endoscope :)01:15
ShadowJKthey seem hard to figure out with just touch01:15
warfarenoh btw, i love how RescueOS actually shows me some real text when it's booting. is that easy to do on the regular OS aswell instead of the loading dots?01:15
keriowarfaren: eeeh, kinda01:15
ShadowJKthough for musb you can feel for the two hooks01:15
Estel_: ) and I always remember how they're alligned on back of old PC's01:15
Estel_warfaren,  sure01:15
Estel_kernel-power + fbcon01:15
warfarenokay cool. would like to look into it later if i have the time01:16
kerioEstel_: not quite, you also need a different cmdline01:16
warfarenfbcon = frame buffer console?01:16
Estel_kerio, hm?01:16
warfarenwhat does kernel-power do btw? is it kinda like inception for harmattan?01:16
kerioyou need to delete the progress dots, modprobe fbcon early, and set up the console on the appropriate tty01:16
Estel_warfaren,  no01:16
keriowarfaren: nah, it's just a different kernel with a lot more capabilities01:16
warfareni see01:16
Estel_it's bugfixes from mainstream + backports from higher kernel versions01:17
Estel_+ fixing maemo's kernel specific bugs01:17
Estel_= must have01:17
keriofixes a couple hardware things, adds overclocking capabilities (to never use), and adds neat stuff like iptables01:17
warfareni heard it breaks qtirreco though?01:17
kerioor bridge support01:17
keriowarfaren: pierogi is better01:17
warfarenokay cool :)01:17
keriobesides, i don't think it does01:18
Estel_not to mention enabling thumb (if mixed with cssu-thumb), that is closest thing to RAM upgrade you will ever get... Until I becolme rich, buy infra-red industrial class soldering station, hunt down matching SoC with more RAM, and solder it01:18
warfareni couldn't get qtirreco to work personally anyway. even without kernel-power01:18
Estel_warfaren,  qtirreco is EOL01:18
warfareni was beggining to think my IR hardware was broken01:18
Estel_no one works on it for ages01:18
Estel_it just doesn't work ;)01:18
keriowarfaren: hm, i don't think that's a common problem01:18
keriootoh, a common problem is that it sucks01:18
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Estel_pierogi is a way for IR, and for emergency shutdowns, TVBGone! widget01:18
warfarenbut i found another software and it made my IR port light up in my camera so i'm not concerned anymore01:19
kerioyou need to be quite perfect in line01:19
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: ping01:19
kerioand the range kinda sucks01:19
warfarenovervolting? :D01:19
teotwakiEstel_: well well, and I'm fairly sure I've got some logs where you said you'd never show your head in #maemo anymore.01:19
Estel_wishful thinking , it was about TMO01:19
Estel_not in mood for talking about it, though01:19
teotwakierhm, no, it was about #maemo.01:20
teotwakisure, suit yourself, I was just jesting :)01:20
teotwakihappy newyear, btw01:20
Estel_so either you're wrong or "everybody lies".01:20
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Estel_well, modified davicom drivers for egthernet dongle seems to work. Time to pester Pali about updating ID's in kernel-power's module, for next version01:21
Estel_thanks for help, ShadowJK!01:22
keriowarfaren: it's really not worth it01:22
Estel_warfaren,  overvolting won't help IR diode, it's just quite non-tollerant for bad aiming01:22
kerioand eventually you'll fuck up the cpu01:22
ShadowJKEstel_; does it ping?01:22
warfarenhehe okay01:22
keriooh, you meant the IR diode?01:22
roostrus`sorry wrong channel01:23
Estel_ShadowJK,  yes.01:23
keriowe *seriously* need a #maemo qdb01:23
Estel_quite like belkin, you need to enumerate it with cabole plugged in, to auto-create interface01:23
keriowarfaren: are you not done yet? :s01:23
ShadowJKEstel_; does ping -s 1400 also work?01:23
warfarenkerio: almost. got caught up with some chat so i couldn't work 100% :P01:24
warfarenbut i'm backing up stuff now01:24're in the same timezone as me?01:24
Estel_ShadowJK,  chucking, but eventually responds, why asking?01:24
warfarenGMT+1 here01:24
kerioyour irssi reports that you're in UTC+1, yes01:25
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: can you organise the things that maemo-archive needs to mirror? I've been getting email and PM spam regarding people who want to upload shit01:25
ShadowJKEstel_; the MTU and davicom thing :)01:25
Estel_erm, got DC'ed - i wonder if due to abusing it via ping with big size, or my connector sucks and get moved01:25
keriowhy are we doing this now, when i kinda want to go to sleep, instead of, say, tomorrow at around 11 am? :s01:25
kerioi just assumed you were in a crappy timezone01:25
warfareni see01:26
Estel_ShadowJK,  it seems it might have been eliminated in new davicoms. Sad - they have changed ID's.01:26
warfarenyeah sure no problem for me01:26
kerionah, i'll just help you with the flashing01:26
warfareni'm really grateful for all the help i've gotten so far and besides the phone is booting again :P01:26
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: please redirect those to
kerioyeah but you should reflash01:26
Estel_kerio, linking to wiki with flashing article isn't easier? He isn't noob. Of course if wiki works, at all01:26
warfarenyeahh will definately do so01:26
kerioEstel_: the steps after flashing are crucial, too01:26
keriofor instance, he might risk installing rootsh01:27
Estel_kerio, like what?01:27
kerioinstead of doing the right thing01:27
warfarenit's really slow anyway. installing apps from the appstore makes it sit at a screen doing nothing for 2 minutes before starting to install. that isn't normal is it?01:27
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: is that the one that runs on maemo-archive?01:27
keriowarfaren: HAM is a piece of crap01:27
warfareni assume it could have to do with the previous owner having a lot of repositories or something01:27
kerio(Application Manager)01:27
Estel_warfaren,  sadly, hildon application manager is always, always slow01:27
warfareni see01:27
keriowarfaren: and sadly,01:27
Estel_but we have apt-get or fapman01:27
infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever01:27
kerio^ true story01:27
Estel_what a factoid01:27
kerioso use apt-get01:27
warfareni have been using apt-get as often as i could since i realised its slowness01:28
DocScrutinizer05that is what our volunteers did on a dedicated server we hired for backup01:28
warfarenat first i thought it wasn't working at all. heh01:28
Estel_well, warfaren, don't want to start a little argue, but I'm using fapman since beginning of times, without any problems, ever01:28
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: nfc what's maemo-archive01:28
kerioEstel_: except that the pre/post scripts are run in a different way01:28
Estel_even for things depreciated by others, like cssu upgrades or first-time installations01:28
warfarenokay i will totally check it out when i'm done01:28
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: it's my server, maemo-archive.wedrop.it01:28
kerioand a lot of them don't work01:28
keriolike the various flashers01:28
ShadowJKsome things are a bad idea to use fapman/apt-get with01:28
Estel_ShadowJK,  true, and out of curiosity, I'm always re-testing things like cssu upgrades on other device, via ham01:29
Estel_I have yet to see any things broken by fapman, though. Curikous to test, if you have examples what reproducibly fails01:29
keriowarfaren: to get root access, install openssh from the repos (it'll make you set a root password), then login as root by sshing localhost and set up your own sudoers file01:29
Estel_kerio, or install rootsh, or sudser, if you want passwords ;)01:30
keriorootsh is a piece of crap01:30
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warfarenokay. that's better security wise?01:30
keriosudser fucks up the sudoers file if you set no password01:30
Estel_sure, still, everyone uses it and won't complain.01:30
* kerio doesn't have it installed)01:30
warfareni assume i want to disable root login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config after that?01:30
keriowarfaren: security on fremantle is a joke01:30
warfarenokay :P01:30
keriothere's no /etc/shadow support, for instance01:30 yeah01:30
Estel_security on fremantle = truecrypt + 5 minutes autolock + smscon01:31
Estel_smscon needs to be thoroughly configured01:31
keriosmscon isn't that kind of security, though01:31
keriois it?01:31
Estel_then, even if someone *would* want to steal your nude photos, its futile01:31
Estel_kerio, it is in addition to auto-mount partitions of truecrypt01:32
Estel_i.e. things that you mount on boot time01:32
Estel_(aka lowest risk things, like addressbook, mails, or notes, or photos, or videos, or...)01:32
Estel_if you have area51 data, you should mount it manually, for sure, but in other cases, auto-mounting on boogt time (with providing password and keyfiles on boottime by user) is more conveinent idea01:33
kerioif you have area51 data, send plz01:33
Estel_and still, to get around lock code, one need to reboot device at least once01:33
Estel_which unmount partition, even if it was mount at boot time.01:34
Estel_belive or not, N900 is most secure device in terms of protecting data, if you configure it properly (comparable to real linux notebooks)01:34
kerioEstel_: i think he was talking more about the system security01:34
Estel_well, if you feel it fancy, you can encrypt home :P01:34
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keriomeh, i'm actually going to sleep, you guys finish this01:35
warfarenthanks again for your help!01:35
keriofollow that, too01:35
warfarenwill do!01:35
Estel_cryptfs etc... still, You don't wanna flash combined, with home encrypted. Funny thiong to do.01:35
keriothen delete cherry, get root access, install some flavour of cssu01:35
keriopossibly testing, if you're ok with some quirkyness01:36
Estel_well, I would rather say reflash -> install kernel-power and cssu-thumb->install ssh -> install hostmode ;)01:36
kerioi wouldn't necessarily install cssu-thumb right now, it's slightly quirkier than cssu testing01:36
Estel_anyone have own favorites, heh01:36
kerioEstel_: that's what i'd do, but he got a n900 two days ago01:36
keriogive him a bit of time to familiarize himself with the system at least :)01:37
Estel_frankly, I wouldn't recommend cssu stable to anyone01:37
kerioEstel_: cssu stable is for normal users01:37
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Estel_old jerk rule - cssu-testing = stable, cssu-stable = oldstable, cssu-thumb = stable+devel thumb bits01:37
kerioin fact, it's recommended, as a "bugfix version" of pr 1.301:37
Estel_kerio, cssu stable is severely outdated, too :/01:38
kerioit should be indistinguishable, in fact01:38
kerioEstel_: **the same as stock but with less bugs**01:38
kerioit's like the whole point01:38
warfarenok well i'm ready to flash01:38
Estel_well, not in mood for any argues anyway, but "less bugs" may be not really approriate for stable. Funny enough, testing seems to be more mature in terms of being bugless.01:39
Estel_anyway, he is grown up, and will install any shit he want ;)01:39
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kerio...this went better than i thought01:41
keriowarfaren: flash COMBINED without (re)booting, flash VANILLA, boot01:41
kerioand be happy01:42
warfareni see. i'm about to read the page you linked though01:42
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keriogoing to sleep, ask here if you need any help, they're mostly good people01:43
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warfaren:) sleep tight01:44
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DocScrutinizer05>>cssu stable is severely outdated<<  vs  >>Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5<<02:21
DocScrutinizer05harsh criteria for 'severely outdated' - ~10 days02:22
DocScrutinizer05some people are never happy, unless they have something to bitch about02:23
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DocScrutinizer05warfaren: a suggestion for good: make familiar with you awesome new N900 for a few weeks, then install cssu-stable and notice you don't really see any difference. Then check and explore a few of the "hidden" features. Then if you feel like helping with cssu-testing (as explained on ) you can install cssu-testing any time, you can upgrade from stable02:30
DocScrutinizer05to testing02:30
warfareni see02:31
DocScrutinizer05and don't install too much nonsense before you got a feeling how smooth and with how much endurance a plain N900 runs, when no skype installed02:32
DocScrutinizer05and if any questions, come here and ask :-)02:32
warfarenahh.. doesn't skype come preinstalled though?02:34
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DocScrutinizer05more or less, yes02:49
DocScrutinizer05but it's known to kill the battery, due to constant data traffic via GSM/UMTS02:50
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DocScrutinizer05so better don't use it in your first week02:51
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: why is that? skype I mean02:52
freemangordonI am online on skype 24/7, don't see any problems with it02:52
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's news to me02:54
DocScrutinizer05I always thought skyhost processes are BAD[TM]02:55
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freemangordonno, why is that? who says it?02:57
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DocScrutinizer05heard it several times02:58
freemangordontoldya, I run skype 24/7 since I got the device (~3years ago), didn;t see any problems02:58
freemangordonthats weird02:58
DocScrutinizer05skype is p2p, with unpredictable behaviour02:59
freemangordonthe only telepathy plugin that makes troubles (afaik) is telepathy-idle02:59
freemangordonit crashes every now  and then, on disconnect02:59
DocScrutinizer05and that buddy list in skype addbook could cause massive update traffic02:59
jonwilhmmm, I do wonder how long Skype-on-N900 will keep working before Microsoft makes some breaking change to the protocol... :P03:00
freemangordonwell, but that does not make  him unstable or buggy03:00
freemangordonDoing traffic03:01
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DocScrutinizer05nobody said skype is instable03:01
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freemangordonaah, you mean the battery03:02
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-06 01:50:36] <DocScrutinizer05> but it's known to kill the battery, due to constant data traffic via GSM/UMTS03:02
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-06 01:51:04] <DocScrutinizer05> so better don't use it in your first week03:02
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freemangordonyeah, sorry, missed that03:02
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, I am online on skype/gtalk/fb chat all day long03:03
freemangordonsome days on 2G the others on wifi03:03
freemangordonif I don;t play much with the device (which happens rarely :D) it lasts > 24 hours with a charge03:04
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freemangordonbut it easily makes it through the day with lots of play (usually I use it as a book reader with opera)03:05
freemangordonbut it is screen that eats the battery, not IM accounts03:05
DocScrutinizer05screen eats much battery, yes03:05
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ofc I am on thumb with SR on, I guess that gives me some additional 1-2 hours03:07
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FIQ|n900How can you make wget download files with another name?03:48
warfarenwhat exactly do you mean?03:48
FIQ|n900You can abuse -O but according to manpage that's not intended use of it03:49
warfarenoh the output file? yeah03:49
FIQ|n900warfaren: making wget save to specified name03:49
robbiethe1stJust use -O03:49
warfarenthat's what i do. didn't know you weren't supposed to?03:49
FIQ|n900I wonder what the "right" way is03:49
FIQ|n900warfaren: manpage says not to :p03:49
robbiethe1stwget else -O "myMediaFile.avi"03:49
warfarenwhat does it say it is for?03:49
FIQ|n900"Use of -O is NOT intended to mean simply "use the name file instead of the one in the URL"03:51
FIQ|n900robbiethe1st: ok then03:51
robbiethe1stWorks fine for me.03:51
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robbiethe1stAgain, the difference between what the developer intends and what people actually use it for can be huge03:51
FIQ|n900I guess03:51
robbiethe1stFortunately, we users don't care what those silly devs want, right?03:52
robbiethe1st...and then will send them bug reports when it doesn't do what we expect.03:52
warfarenoh yeah well you can output it to STDOUT and redirect that into a file i guess03:52
warfarenlike he says in the example03:52
FIQ|n900robbiethe1st: :p03:53
FIQ|n900but my main concern to why i really wanted this is an issue with fat3203:53
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warfarenoh i see03:53
warfarenwhat is that?03:53
FIQ|n900apparently fat32 doesn't support ?, = or both and instead write a bogus error03:53
FIQ|n900let me paste03:54
warfarenin filenames? yeah that sounds familiar03:54
robbiethe1stHeck, more than that03:54
FIQ|n900Cannot write to "o-i l.i?dl=1" (Success).03:55
robbiethe1stSame with NTFS03:55
FIQ|n900(keep in mind I altered filename to something else)03:55
warfarenyeah probably because of compatibility with the DOS syntax03:55
robbiethe1stIt's why I often have to 'fix' filenames when I move from my awesome ext4 system to silly Windoze boxen.03:55
warfarenah yeah03:55
FIQ|n900so basically -O (proper filename) should do it I suppose?03:56
robbiethe1stWhich means... Give up your Fat32! Come over to the light side!03:56
warfarenit should..03:56
FIQ|n900robbiethe1st: ntfs actually supports more than explorer allows though03:56
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warfarenyeah i've written some illegal characters to file names of an NTFS partition. couldn't delete them from windows 7. hehehe03:57
FIQ|n900it's case sensitive for example, which introduces a lot of problems if you actually write files with same name and different casings and try to use it on windows03:57
warfarenor rename them or anything. had to load up linux to fix it03:57
robbiethe1stI've done more than that - With cygwin, I've managed to change filenames to stuff that either deleted or 'disappeared' the file03:58
FIQ|n900had to move one of the files to fix it lol03:58
warfarenhehehe fun03:58
FIQ|n900even cygwin failed to solve the equality :P03:58
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jonwilanyone here know anything about the status of the wiki? I have the right entry in etc/hosts and its picking up the new wiki location (in that it doesn't have the "warning this wiki is moving" in big red letters), I want to know if its safe to edit said wiki or not (specifcially )04:19
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jon_ywarfaren: del \\.\C:\path04:29
warfarenthat works on windows? :P hehe04:29
jon_yannoy your friends by creating a file called "nul" on the desktop04:30
jon_ybonus points if it takes up a few GBs :)04:30
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jon_ysee fsutil to instantly create oversized files04:31
jon_yor giant sparse files04:31
warfarenlol :)04:31
jon_yit needs admin rights though04:31
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jon_yI belive Cygwin uses UNC paths internally04:32
jon_yit should be able to delete files with funny names04:32
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jon_ywarfaren: also, you can try this in cmd: mkdir "funnydir "04:33
jon_ythe space makes it impossible to delete through explorer04:33
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: supposed to be safe05:38
infobotcp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "" >> /etc/hosts;
jonwilok, great05:38
DocScrutinizer05anyway my lil etc/hosts tweak did too much actually05:39
DocScrutinizer05 looks like shite now05:39
jonwilI observed that if I just put in there it looks ok05:40
DocScrutinizer05I guess i'll have to comment out one line after another to find why it renders like there was no css05:40
jonwilotherwise if I put in there it looks like crap05:40
DocScrutinizer05yep, did same05:40
DocScrutinizer05quite possibly it's, yup05:40
jonwilI think either the isn't working properly yet05:40
jonwilor we have the wrong /etc/hosts entry for it (which I doubt)05:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, commented out and everything fine on wiki at least05:42
jonwilok, so I intend to update with details of anything that has an open clone but where the open clone isn't listed05:47
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ApicA splendid good Sunday to You all!09:30
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keriopcfe: what the hell man11:19
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DocScrutinizer05hi MohammadAG13:57
MohammadAGheya DocScrutinizer0513:57
MohammadAGwanted to flash my N9 yesterday and it seems I need navifirm to download firmware images13:58
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MohammadAGsince I hate windows, I thought about writing an open source navifirm in Qt, good progress so far13:58
DocScrutinizer05you might soon be out of luck13:58
MohammadAGthe closing down recently announced? saw it after I started13:59
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-02 12:58:10] <thedead1440> backup your Harmattan firmwares:
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, isn't Nokia Online a simple login?14:01
MohammadAGso cookies could technically be used14:01
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: I think they're going to change this massively14:01
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: how about a new uBoot-KP pkg? you're maintainer14:02
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: there is a uboot for n9??14:03
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: would be mad useful, since only new (52) KP supports thumb14:03
jon_yoh haha14:03
jon_yok, for n90014:04
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MohammadAG bah14:05
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MohammadAGis 40.2012.21.3 the latest FW for the N9?14:07
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thedead1440stupid question: does the n900 have offline navigation via the default Maps application?14:08
MohammadAGnot the I know of14:08
ApicOffline, yes.14:08
ApicJust not Voice-Guided14:08
thedead1440Apic: how do you download the maps?14:08
MohammadAGthe N900?14:08
ApicIt downloads them automatically according to your GPS Position14:09
thedead1440i mean the ~/MyDocs/cities folder in mine is only 24MB14:09
ApicYes, the N90014:09
ApicAh, hm14:09
ApicThen Offline Navigation will probably only work if you went that Route online before14:09
ApicOr downloaded the whole Maps with the Ovi Map installer on a PC14:09
thedead1440ah so maps pre-loaded right?14:10
thedead1440s/so /so no /14:10
infobotthedead1440 meant: ah so no maps pre-loaded right?14:10
ApicYou can probably somehow preload them for your whole country14:10
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thedead1440via NSuite or PC Suite?14:10
MohammadAGtoo many firmwares for the N914:10
thedead1440thanks will try it out then14:10
ApicProbably there's an App in Program Manager14:10
MohammadAGnot sure which one is 00114:10
thedead1440MohammadAG: NDT and ROW are usually 00114:11
thedead1440ROW is definitely 001 but most NDT too are14:11
DocScrutinizer05afaik maemo-maps does NO offline-routing14:11
keriothere's no offline routing in maemo-maps14:11
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thedead1440so DocScrutinizer05 in that case there are no maps to download?14:12
kerioyou can look at the map that you've downloaded14:12
kerioit doesn't route14:12
DocScrutinizer05yes there are14:12
DocScrutinizer05iirc even built in download14:12
DocScrutinizer05or I'm dreaming this up14:12
kerionah, you need a program on a computer14:13
DocScrutinizer05anyway there been a map downloader14:13
keriomodrana is the one that can download from builtin :)14:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio is right14:13
DocScrutinizer05or just14:13
infobotfrom memory, kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...]14:13
kerioactually, that one is better14:14
kerioinfobot: no, kerio is <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right14:14
infobotokay, kerio14:14
thedead1440was asking for backup purposes; the maps ui on the n900 is bad enough to put anyone away from actually using it :D14:15
DocScrutinizer05alas it's the only app that actually works from contacts addr14:15
DocScrutinizer05or did, at one time14:16
kerio*so far*14:16
DocScrutinizer05long ago14:16
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kerioyou probably need a dbus service or something14:17
DocScrutinizer05God, would I love to configure e.g. marble, mappero, modrana, to come up when you click on contact's addr14:17
* kerio has uninstalled maemo-maps14:17
keriowhy no love for maep? :(14:17
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you bet you do14:17
DocScrutinizer05(need dbus)14:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have maemo-maps installed?14:18
keriodo you mind pastebinning the output of dpkg -L nokia-maps-core ?14:18
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# locate maps| wc -l14:19
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ~# locate maps | wc -l14:20
thedead1440-sh: locate: not found14:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: now pastebin /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ plskthx14:21
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keriowell, there you go14:22
kerioi'm not sure how the address is passed14:22
* DocScrutinizer05 should finally set up his private RDA14:22
keriobut just add a similar dbus service with your appropriate mapper14:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'd use dbus-monitor, everything else I'm on your page, KTNX14:23
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: except I stopped developing stuff some years ago14:23
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: thought it's not fair when only I have all the fun ;-P14:24
thedead1440hmm is there another way to get locate other than findgnu-utils package?14:24
thedead1440i installed it still it says locate not found14:24
keriothedead1440: either glocate or add /usr/bin/gnu/ to the PATH14:24
thedead1440ah done14:24
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# which locate14:24
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH14:24
infobotcp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "" >> /etc/hosts;
thedead1440so DocScrutinizer05 your maps files are 18395? How did you get them? Mine shows 0 using the locate command14:25
thedead1440I had clean flashed my device when I bought it using pr1.314:25
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: run updatedb first ;-)14:26
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ~# /usr/bin/gnu/locate maps | wc -l14:27
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I originally tried to pastebinit, but it failed due to "file too long" - then I thought "phooo, thank God, it probably shows precisely where I've been last 4 years"14:27
DocScrutinizer05not that my walks are particularly secrete14:29
DocScrutinizer05anyway that's all the tiles not only of maemo-maps but also of marble and mappero14:29
DocScrutinizer05plus backups14:29
DocScrutinizer05(yes, I got backups on device)14:30
thedead1440seems like the on on n900 is nokia maps 2.014:30
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thedead1440doc the first link is helpful for the nokia maps or is it for 3rd party software?14:33
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: first is N8n0 maps14:34
keriowhy marble instead of modrana? :(14:34
DocScrutinizer05check out Jaffa's brilliant contribution!14:34
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thedead1440it links to an ad page for the download site :D14:34
thedead1440^^^ ad-ware :D14:35
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keriothedead1440: it doesn't look like there's any ware at all14:36
thedead1440but from Jaffa's instructions it seems its the same on S60 hence:
thedead1440should be the same14:36
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DocScrutinizer05alas I'm blind and don't see the link Jaffa refers to in >>Scroll down the above URL<<14:39
DocScrutinizer05there's no URL here14:39
thedead1440there is a hyperlink on the word download DocScrutinizer0514:40
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DocScrutinizer05dang, don't see it14:41
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DocScrutinizer05and it's a roge site14:42
DocScrutinizer05wants make me download shit14:43
DocScrutinizer05and has nuttin but adds14:43
Skryyup, too bad14:43
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: *please* fix
SkryIs there any other sane solution for offline maps of any sort?14:44
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: a) the link on "download" is nearly invisible14:44
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: b) it points to a site you won't appreciate it does14:44
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thedead1440it has the maps direct from Nokia's servers14:45
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: Will add it to the TODO lsit14:46
DocScrutinizer05most ignoring is the requester "download our free software while you read this site" with the options "OK", "ok nevertheless" and "close window and assume OK"14:47
DocScrutinizer05most annoying*14:48
DocScrutinizer05dang, the coffee doesn't kick in14:48
ApicMy Condolences.14:48
Skrythedead1440: big thanks14:49
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thedead1440Skry: brkn found it not me ;)14:49
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Skrywell, thanks to brkn too then, can prepare for zombie apocalypse now and shit14:50
DocScrutinizer05>>*handphone-solution*  Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<<14:50
DocScrutinizer05then "william hill casinoclub" KTHNX14:51
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: did you try clicking on those ads and exchanging your details with them? Maybe just maybe they give you the download link :p14:52
jonwilok, so how do we find out which version of Nokia maps the N900 has so we can download from that page?14:52
DocScrutinizer05couldn't figure a coffee withdrawal that's SO bad14:53
MohammadAGholy shit nolo does charging!14:53
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: eh?14:53
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jonwilLets see if the Australia 2.0 maps on that symbian page are any different to the ones I already have local on my phone...14:54
MohammadAGThe N9 does charging without booting up14:54
jonwilThe ones I downloaded with nokia PC suite14:54
brknjonwil: appreciated14:54
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: well, for whatever definition of "boot up"14:55
DocScrutinizer05yes it does14:55
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: you're not saying I should click on a rogue site to get a useful link, do you?14:56
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: did i say so? I don't remember :p14:56
DocScrutinizer05particularly after >>*handphone-solution*  Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<<14:57
jonwilok, well the maps I am downloading are definatly larger than whats on my phone right now14:57
thedead1440jonwil: is it a huge differential in size? Could you share?14:57
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jonwilThis is for Australia only14:57
jonwilI doubt they are going to be significantly newer though14:58
jonwilgiven when Nokia stopped updating maps inthe 2.0 format14:58
thedead1440ah so whats on device is version 2.0 but the one which says in () not the newest maps14:59
thedead1440so on device is v2.0 but slightly older14:59
jonwilno I dont know how whats on device14:59
jonwilI just know that the latest 2.0 maps are going to be a while old since 2.0 is long depreciated14:59
thedead1440that page has 3 versions for v2.015:00
jonwili.e. they probably stopped making map updates for 2.0 quite a while ago15:00
thedead1440yup should be15:00
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jonwilanyhow, I will see what happens if I put those maps on my phone15:01
jonwiloh wait, that "the new maps are bigger" comment, thats probably not accurate15:01
jonwilsince its still pulling maps from my phone over SFTP15:01
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warfarenkerio: i reflashed and it works great. typing on the N900 now!15:02
kerioxchat is also pretty good15:03
warfarenalright well im sshing to a server where irssi is running.15:03
kerioi figured :)15:04
warfarenok. well i did apt-get remove cherry and that seemed to work15:04
warfarenhavent done anything else than that though as i went to sleep and woke up now15:05
jonwilThat link looks good doc :)15:05
keriohow did you get root access?15:05
warfarenoh yeah by installing openssh server and client via ham15:05
kerioi like you ^___^15:05
brknnice DocScrutinizer0515:05
kerioset passwords for root and user15:05
kerioand then add a couple of entries in sudoers15:06
kerio(sudoers uses files in sudoers.d and update-sudoers, the actual /etc/sudoers file is autogenerated)15:06
jonwilGoing to try the link from that page on my phone and see if the map data displays map data it didn't previously display (i.e. new housing estate where my family lives)15:06
warfareni read everything again while waiting for the battery to charge and that took over 3 hours. the flashing guide told me to fully charge before flashing15:07
keriowell... you don't necessarily have to do that, but it's still good practice to do so15:07
warfarenoh ok i already added one command into /etc/sudoers15:07
keriothe actual flashing is pretty quick, as you've seen, so you don't really need much battery15:07
warfarenso it would get overwritten on reboot?15:08
keriowarfaren: add your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and run update-sudoers as root15:08
kerioit'll get overwritten as soon as something runs update-sudoers15:08
warfarenits a shellscript i made for flashing the led15:08
keriousually scripts of packages that ship their own sudoers file15:08
warfarenguess i could just chmod 777 the files tooo15:08
keriohm, i was thinking more of "user ALL=(ALL) ALL"15:08
kerioand "root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL"15:08
warfarenoh i thought it would be more secure to limit myself and su to root when reaööy needed15:09
keriosu doesn't work15:09
warfarenwell with ssh15:09
keriobecause of messybox15:09
keriothat will work, yes, but it's kind of annoying15:09
kerio(and sudo will ask for a password if you don't use it after a timeout)15:10
warfarenyeah i guess. could do alias su=ssh lol15:10
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warfarenwhere do i best put aliases btw? i get kinda afraid to use .profile again15:11
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kerioit depends if you want to eventually use bash or not15:12
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DocScrutinizer05 (<-maps3.0)15:14
warfarenoh ok. well i think this shell works too. it was just that history didnt log very many entries that annoyed me kinda15:14
kerioi'm not exactly sure of which files busybox runs, and when15:14
brknok which ones should i backup? @DocScrutinizer0515:15
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brknanyone tried v
warfarenwell anyways im gonna go set up stuff in sudoers.d to get myself familiar15:15
thedead1440brkn: all versions then ;) space is sufficient and they are small15:15
DocScrutinizer05I never downloaded any maps for maemo-maps15:15
DocScrutinizer05~tell warfaren about jrtools15:16
n3mu5newest nmap suck15:17
DocScrutinizer05somebody said it has "a lot of useful information"15:17
Siceloi disagree15:17
Siceloanyway, about maps.. those 'offlin' ones are older than what you get 'online'15:18
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: err wut? I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion15:20
Apicn3mu5: Why?15:20
brknDocScrutinizer05: could be true but still for backup reasons i prefer slightly older maps than no online maps at all15:20
DocScrutinizer05brkn: sorry?15:21
brkn"I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion" > may be not true15:21
brkncould be that tiles are newer but those zips are generated every few months only15:22
brknto spare them the traffic when ppl update their map packs15:22
DocScrutinizer05hmm, might be15:22
n3mu5can not run as usually15:22
n3mu5always show route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "lo"15:23
brknthus the statement i prefer having slightly older maps instead of having none at all if they shut down the thing for n9 or n90015:23
brknbut then again i have no clue what will continue and what not15:23
DocScrutinizer05brkn: I wasn't aware they pack several tiles into zip for offline download15:23
brknnow you are xD15:23
brknstill i need someone with a N900 "14:15 <brkn> anyone tried v"15:24
Sicelowhat is that?15:24
brknif confirmed working i will get those instead of v1 maps15:24
Sicelopity N900 doesn't easily show co-ordinates. i would show a place that would cost you a 30km detour with the 'offline' maps15:25
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DocScrutinizer05brkn: I wouldn't even know how to test that15:27
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Sicelowhat is v
Sicelomaps? or something else15:28
brknSicelo: version of the map data15:28
Sicelook. link please. i might be able to see which ones i downloaded.15:29
brknfor which country?15:29
Siceloi got southern africa15:30
brknpls backup first, i don't know whether it will mess up maps or not15:31
Siceloit sucks that Maps doesn't show co-ordinates :(15:31
Sicelobrkn: what other versions are there?15:32
DocScrutinizer05I'd hope Sicelo is using BM on a regular schedule ;-)15:32
brknor try with the official nokia map downloader15:33
brknand check which version it wants to download15:33
Siceloi use linux. no nokia map loader here15:34
DocScrutinizer05if somebody is using such an official downloader, heck if it even exists15:34
DocScrutinizer05or what Sicelosaid15:34
brknit does, win/mac only15:35
jonwilI am using for Australia15:35
brkni don't have a n900 else it would already run inside a vm15:35
jonwilIf anyone has a link to anything newer for Australia please tell me15:35
jonwilalso do we know if the maps Nokia Maps uses are raster tiles downloaded from some server or if they are vector map data rendered on the phone? I suspect the latter15:36
Sicelobrkn: so what do you need the maps for then? :-/15:36
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: raster afaik15:36
jonwilSo that's the latest Australian maps that are known to exist?15:36
ApicAnybody got Germany?15:36
brknSicelo: backup up all N9 + N900 related stuff15:36
DocScrutinizer05I *own* Germany15:36
ApicQuite cheap, that Country, yes. =)15:37
brknrepos, sdk, scratchbox, firmwares everything15:37
brknatm 1tb15:37
DocScrutinizer05so you could argue Germany got me, and there's no remedy15:37
ApicI'll look for a Map-Loader in the Program Manager15:37
ApicI could, true.15:37
ApicBut I do not bother ATM.15:37
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ApicHi Kilroo15:38
brknwindows maploader is here:
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brkn_below_ the green button (direct download link)15:39
DocScrutinizer05what's "windows"?15:39
ApicThe Plural of Window.15:39
jonwilgod I hate these days, they try to force crappy spyware on you whenever you download something15:41
brkn@ DocScrutinizer05: that ugly thing running in vms to scare little children15:41
* DocScrutinizer05 has a glance out his kitchen window15:41
jonwilIf you miss any of the "dont install this15:41
jonwil"dont install this" buttons you can end up with who knows what15:41
DocScrutinizer05brkn: it been VMS before Bill Gates hired the crew and named it WNT15:42
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jonwilok, so I know that if I have no pre-cached maps at all Nokia Maps will download a bunch of files and in so doing display the location I care about (the one that it didn't display in the past)15:42
jonwilthe new housing estate15:42
jonwilSo the secret then is just to find the newest set of downloadable zip for maps so that I can have as much pre-cached as possible15:43
ApicBut there really ought to exist a Map-Loader in the Program Manager, oughtn't there?15:43
jonwiland not have to have maps download so much over 3G when I use it (either next time I am on holidays to see the family or around my own city)15:43
jonwilGoing to try the map-loader from cnet15:43
jonwiland see what that wants to pull15:44
jonwiland also try the link from before15:44
DocScrutinizer05billyboy followed an old pun with that scheme, probably started in Odyssey2001 with a computer named HAL9000 (IBM--)15:44
ApicHm, okay, just checked, seems there really is not. B-(15:44
ApicDoes the Windows-MapLoader work well in Wine?15:45
brknApic: no clue, it needs the nokia connectivity suite (just installed in a clean vm)15:45
brknwhat a mess15:45
ApicGot link for Suite handy?15:46
ApicI'll try completely WINE15:46
MohammadAGthe number on the side of the SIM15:47
MohammadAGis there a way to get it from the modem?15:47
MohammadAGI got a replacement sim card and they forgot to activate it15:47
DocScrutinizer05that's a production serial number15:47
MohammadAGand I cut it into a microSIM15:47
DocScrutinizer05I don't think they need that number usually15:48
MohammadAGthey do15:48
DocScrutinizer05what they need is the IMSI15:48
MohammadAGit's not the first time15:48
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DocScrutinizer05IMSI is available via network monitor for example, or via pnatd15:49
brknoh look, it ain't working15:49
brknnokia wtf15:49
brknexpect the unexpected15:49
DocScrutinizer05anticipated worse ;-P15:50
DocScrutinizer05like, it jumping outa your VM and nuke your bootsector15:50
brknoh yeah waiting for phone, now how to simulate a n90015:50
DocScrutinizer05Nokia Suite is megacrap15:51
DocScrutinizer05I heard15:51
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jonwilAt least Nokia doesn't try and make you pay for Nokia Suite15:53
DocScrutinizer05and we still are searching globally for the guy responsible that Nokia only supports windows for the PC suite needed for a *linux* phone15:53
brknjonwil: any success with the map loader?15:53
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DocScrutinizer05to shoot him with warm owl shit15:53
warfarenkerio: whats the point of putting a password on user?15:54
keriowarfaren: to put a password to sudo15:54
jonwilok, so I run map loader, it says "new version of map loader available" then "an unexpected error occurred"15:54
jonwilNow it says I need to connect my phone15:54
warfareni see. but it would still auto login when i power on the phone?15:54
DocScrutinizer05honestly you should read ~jrtools15:55
warfareni read the link the bot pmed me15:56
DocScrutinizer05it actually has some nice tweaks15:56
DocScrutinizer05(shameless self-advertising)15:56
jonwilok, now I am in PC Suite mode and its doing its thing15:56
jonwilnope, still sitting on "waiting for phone"15:57
warfarenkerio: what was that program you recommended over qtirreco again?15:57
warfarenright thanks15:58
DocScrutinizer05you activated "PC Suite mode" on that N900 requester popping up?15:58
jonwilI tried both "PC Suite" and "Mass Storage"15:58
jonwilstill playing with things15:58
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: running Nokia shuite (err -u) natively?15:59
ApicI'm still deploying WINE15:59
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I think it might have issues with USB access otherwise16:00
ApicNot that easy on a 64-Bit-Box ^.^16:00
brknjonwil: please keep DocScrutinizer05 posted as i need to run16:00
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jonwilok, so I have my phone connected in PC Suite mode16:00
jonwilnow loading nokia map loader16:00
jonwilok, so it picked up my phone'16:01
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DocScrutinizer05you've read that blogpost and tmo thread I posted?16:02
jonwilbut its telling me it wont download any maps since it cant find a "maps drive"16:02
jonwilI dont know16:02
ApicMaybe a dot-hidden Dir on MyDocs?16:02
jonwilWhat I will do now is to have Nokia Suite download the Australian maps to my phone16:02
ApicI'll get my USB-Cable to do that too16:03
ApicWow, nice16:03
jonwilits now doing that (downloading the maps via Nokia Suite) which will give my phone a proper working set of maps16:03
DocScrutinizer05or so you hope16:03
jonwilthen I can see if Nokia Maps Downloader will A.Pick up my phone as valid or not and B.Offer any maps for download beyond what PC Suite has picked up16:04
DocScrutinizer05now you lost me16:04
jonwilok, what I am running right now is the Nokia PC Suite app that came with the phone16:05
ApicThe map files are normally stored under » /home/user/cities/diskcache «.16:05
Siceloso brkn is trying to backup this stuff for the community?16:05
jonwilor rather the latest version of that16:05
jonwilits currently downloading "Australia" to my phone16:05
DocScrutinizer05I thought the whole purpose of this emterprise was to watch (via wireshark) which maps it actually downloads in Nokiasuite map downloader16:05
jonwilOnce thats done, I will try the standalone Nokia Maps Downloader again and see what happens16:05
jonwilThe purpose for me is to get the most up-to-date Australian maps possible onto my phone :)16:06
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: yep16:06
Siceloyeah.. seems the objective isn't too clear at allo :P16:06
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: thanks for letting us know. Alas that's completely useless info for us16:07
jonwilSo the goal for you guys is to find the actual zip files for the latest maps that come in zip form?16:07
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DocScrutinizer05to backup it16:08
jonwilwell I cant really help with that :P16:08
DocScrutinizer05too bad16:08
DocScrutinizer05what did you think we're talking about? How we make you update your local card cache?16:09
jonwilok, so I have whatever maps PC Suite pulled16:09
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jonwilbut the standalone map loader wont pick up my phone or offer to download any maps16:10
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DocScrutinizer05thanks again, again no useful info16:10
jonwilLet me wireshark PC Suite and see what maps it wants to pull16:10
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Sicelolol, i don't blame jonwil at all. brkn wasn't exactly straightforward about the purpose behind all this.16:10
DocScrutinizer05hey, you actually can help :-o16:10
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: ack16:11
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: sorry16:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, is there a way to verify if the number is the same as the one I found?16:14
MohammadAG(found the card that you pop the sim off, but I'm not sure it's the same one16:15
DocScrutinizer05none I know of, since there's one "chip" batch number (embossed) identical for each 10 cards afaik, and occasionally another one the carrier printed on card, and that one is to carrier's liking16:16
MohammadAGso how can I trigger a PIN2 request?16:17
DocScrutinizer05often it might be the IMSI though16:17
DocScrutinizer05check google for GSM codes16:17
DocScrutinizer05or wait a minute16:17
DocScrutinizer05 even16:19
jonwilok, so I downloaded the maps for Aruba16:19
jonwilno wait for Cayman Islands16:19
jonwiland it pulled
qwazixjonwil, map loader needs usb mass storage mode for the N900 to work16:20
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: >> * * 042 * AltePIN2 * NeuePIN2 * NeuePIN2 # << change old PIN2 to new one16:20
qwazixwith the valif qf file in root16:20
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: pnatd16:20
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, actually the N9 (surprisingly) supports them16:21
DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: (if pnatd supports this code)16:21
qwazixqf gets created with first run of maps16:21
MohammadAGthe code change for PIN2 worked, PIN1 not so much16:21
MohammadAGI guess I found it16:21
MohammadAGtime to call them16:21
n3mu5which better n900 or n9??16:21
qwazixn3mu5: what's your usage?16:22
jonwilok, so the answer seems to be that I have version of the Cayman Islands maps on my phone16:22
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: hi!16:22
jonwildownloaded from those 2 URLs16:22
n3mu5pentesting mobile?? :D16:22
qwazixDocScrutinizer05: hi16:22
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: sorry, no ZNC update for now16:22
qwazixno problem, just thought to ask in case it was easy16:23
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: thanks, I'll forward that to brkn16:23
jonwilThe question that needs to be answered is whether there are any newer maps for Cayman Islands (or in fact any other country) that are N900 compatible and if there are how we get then downloaded.16:23
jonwilok, I have my phone connected in mass-storage mode16:24
qwazixjonwil, got a N9 or symbian?16:24
jonwilnope, just a N90016:24
jonwilI have the .qf file in the mydocs location16:25
jonwilwhere it should be16:25
qwazixok tell me how to check version of map data and I'll tell you the version my N9 downloads16:25
jonwilok, so "Nokia Map Loader version" still wont find my phone16:26
qwazixbtw, I copied the cities folder from my 5800 to the N900 and it worked (if you open .qf, it poses as s60)16:26
qwazixjonwil, happened to me once too, but generally that's how I get maps on the N90016:26
qwazix(map loader and mass storage, that is)16:27
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qwazixBut I think I have an older map loader...16:27
qwazixlet me check16:28
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jonwilAll I want is the latest maps on my phone :)16:31
jonwilok, so my N900 is showing up via mass storage (good)16:32
jonwilNow it says "you have connected at least one phone in Mass Storage mode, reconnect it in PC Suite mode"16:32
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: eventually you might not be able to get *any* maps for your phone, at least from nokia16:32
Siceloi have wireshark on my N900, and have moved maps away from default directory.16:33
jonwilok, so in PC Suite mode it does nothing16:33
Sicelomaps seems to be opening a connection to
jonwilsits there on "waiting for phone"16:33
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Siceloi don't know how to get a 'link' :-/16:34
jonwilso it seems like I just cant get Nokia Map Loader to pick up my N900 at all :(16:34
qwazixI found a map loader v1, which works only with mass storage16:35
qwazixso maybe it works better with N90016:35
qwazixI'll upload it16:35
jonwilplease do16:35
Sicelohow did brkn get those links he was posting?16:36
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DocScrutinizer05maybe he followed
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jonwilwhich of those 2 exe files do I want?16:39
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qwazixThe 1.0 is older16:42
ApicOld 1.0 is old.16:42
qwazixthe other I think it should be the latest before they rolled map loading into ovi suite16:42
jonwilI ran the 1.0 and all it did was crash, no joy getting it ti work on my W716:42
jonwiltrying the other one16:42
qwazixlet me try it16:42
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xes_..sorry i think i have lost some lines...16:44
xes_anyone have tried
qwazixyeah, doesn't work on W7, sorry.16:44
jonwilso it looks like the only map loader that will work on W7 is whatever is in the version of PC Suite that I have here16:45
jonwilwhich means I cant get any maps via maploader other than what its already pulled16:45
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xes_...but for the N900 which is the latest version of maps?16:46
jonwilThats the thing we dont know16:46
jonwilPC Suite pulled maps16:48
jonwiland we have no idea if newer maps exist or not16:48
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jonwilor at least I dont16:48
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: at least you confirm to work for you?16:50
qwazixjonwil did you try the second download?16:50
jonwilthat one (which PC Suite downloaded) works16:51
jonwilboth MapLoaderSetup1.0.w7.02.exe and Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe seem to cause crashes on W716:51
jonwiloh wait16:52
DocScrutinizer05try friggin compatibility mode maybe (I heard there should be such thing on windoze)16:53
DocScrutinizer05iirc Nokia suite and other Nokia stuff had issues even with Vista16:53
qwazixNokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe doesn't crash for me (answer no to the update request)16:57
qwazixbut doesn't detect N90016:57
jonwilyeah its not detecting N900 for me either in PC Suite mode or Mass Storage mode16:57
qwazixit specifically says that it works with any drive provided that it was used when the maps app was used at least once16:58
qwazixlet me check what is the cities/ tree on symbian16:58
DocScrutinizer05probably old "libusb.dll" orwhatsitcalled16:59
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jonwilok, so we need to find out how to get the version of Nokia Maps to pick up the N900...17:02
jonwilNokia Map Loader that is17:02
jonwilassuming its possible to get it to do that17:02
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qwazixjonwil, rename .qf to just qf and try maploader again17:03
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jonwilnope, its still saying "you have connected at least one phone without a valid maps drive"17:04
Siceloi can confirm N900 to be connecting to same host as on that page,17:05
qwazixcan you provide a link to the map loader you're using?17:05
Sicelothere was a dns query for download.linux.s2g.gate5.de17:05
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jonwilI am using the Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe posted earlier17:06
qwazixhmm just a minute then17:07
jonwilIt wont recognize my phone at all in any USB mode even after renaming the .qf file17:07
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keriois there an equivalent of strace for windows?17:08
SiceloN900 seems to obfuscate the http requests for maps,17:08
Sicelo GET /vt?0102000400180400010000001A0400150000001B04006400000048040001000000490400030000004A040012000000700100B47140005F9C1B91EFF328B18C021CCBDF2780173E164B3AE7DA53C401E78552FD97A4D2F0DA37F637D928BF16DEE29EE0B8D4EB3B6DAC1DD536F9C17:08
kerioat least for open() calls17:08
qwazixdo you have the cities/diskcache/voices folder?17:08
jonwilno I dont17:08
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jonwilok, I do now and no dice17:09
qwazixI'm in.17:11
Sicelojonwil: can't you get maps with Ovi suite alone?17:11
qwazixso, let me upload some things17:11
jonwilI can but I dont know if its pulling the right maps17:11
jonwilI mean if there is a way to get the map downloader program to pull any newer maps than what Ovi pulled17:11
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Siceloi would expect them to pull same versions :-/17:12
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Sicelosurely they only know what's latest by requesting info fom the servers first17:13
xes_this was the list of the latest maps i found for the n900 some time ago:17:15
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jonwilok, now I got something to work17:17
jonwilwell detect the phone anyway17:17
qwazixjonwil, go to the link I gave you before17:17
jonwilit now says "Connection to the map server has been interrupted"17:17
qwazixextract in the root of a flash drive17:17
jonwilwhich link?17:18
jonwilI dont see a link from you...17:18
DocScrutinizer05xes_: thanks, useful. But - if you know me you know I can't help but bitching - could you pretty please use another pastebin, this one loads metric shittons of stuff I don't want17:18
qwazixand use the NokiaMaploaderSetup_ENU.exe if your maploader doesn't work (not yet finished uploading)17:18
jonwiloh wait that other link17:18
qwazixI managed to get in map loader and see list of maps with just a flash drive plugged in17:19
qwazixwith that set of files on win7x6417:19
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jonwilok, will try nokiamaploadersetup_enu.exe once its up17:20
jonwilPut the files onto the phone17:21
qwazixupload finished17:22
qwazixtry a usb drive (I fear it gets confused with the two devices N900 shows up as)17:23
jonwilok, so I will try that map loader with the contents of "" in the root of my MyDocs partition17:23
qwazix(or remove your sd if you have one in N900)17:23
qwazixso that it shows up as 1 thing17:23
jonwilok, now its WORKING :)17:26
jonwil"Updating Phone Information"17:26
jonwil"Current Phone: Nokia N900"17:26
jonwilok, its downloading17:27
jonwilusing wireshark to see just what it grabs17:27
xes_..and...what is downloading?17:28
jonwilok, looks like its pulling the same version as before17:29
jonwilso it looks like there is no officially supported way to get maps newer than that on a Nokia N90017:29
ShadowJKwhat's age of
jonwilno idea17:30
xes_april 2009... :(17:30
qwazixjonwil, I plugged a N95 to the pc and saw that qf didn't have a dot, renamed my .qf to qf, created the tree cities/diskcache/voices and the old map loader passed the "no phone found" msg and then couldn't find maps on the net17:31
ShadowJKI've gotten newer maps than that in the Maps app itself17:31
qwazixso I downloaded the first nokia map loader result from google and got in17:31
jonwilyes the maps app internally will download new map data17:31
qwazixthe numbered folders in the cities folder were created by the program17:31
jonwilbut the version seems to be the latest you can get it to download for offline use17:31
jonwilon a N90017:31
jonwiland any links to newer offline zips may not be intended for the N900 and may not in fact work17:32
ShadowJKit"s annoying that the Maps app doesn't check for newer maps online too17:32
jonwilok, so I now have Australian maps version on my phone17:35
jonwilLets see what happens if I visit somewhere newish17:35
* ShadowJK ponders17:38
jonwilok, loading maps now17:39
jonwilok, my area of town (really old part) displays good17:40
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jonwiland yep, its picking up the new bit17:41
jonwilso I am happy17:41
jonwiland will stop using up all my bandwidth downloading yet more maps :)17:42
jonwilNow back to reading to think of something else to reverse engineer17:42
ShadowJKso maploader gave you new maps?17:42
jonwilmaploader gave me
jonwilsame as what PC Suite gave me17:43
jonwilExactly how the maps on my phone got newer area (possibly by Maps app on phone downloading directly) I dont know17:43
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ShadowJKor then the maps loaded have stupid timestamp17:45
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xes...all the country id for direct wget..18:17
ShadowJKelaborate :)18:22
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ShadowJKoh, and unzip to cities/ ?18:22
ShadowJKhm... do those numbers change with newer maps..18:25
xesthey change... but usually are composed with a while some version considers reg+id, other only the id18:26
xesfor example...austria 11215 or only 21518:27
jonwilso is there or is there not maps for the N900 newer than
ShadowJKI meant tne number, if that changes18:28
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xesjonwill: still searching, but thereis some thread talking about a versioning system non aligned with a timeline18:30
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: that's the 1 million dollar question, and particularly: how and to what will this change?19:01
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DocScrutinizer05since is not list-able19:02
DocScrutinizer05so aiui we're all guessing and trying random approaches to find alternatives that are newer and also work for N90019:02
DocScrutinizer05I might be mistaken though, since I didn't do anything like that19:03
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DocScrutinizer05<brkn> ok those are the versions now for N900: 0.0.13h,,,
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* thedead1440 thinks DocScrutinizer05 should now == parrot :p19:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm more feeling like a unix cmdline filter19:07
ShadowJKfyi, the files inside the zip for Finland are dated november 201219:07
ShadowJKxes: do you know if you can just unzip these ontop of existing cities/ contents?19:08
DocScrutinizer05find / -exec 'cat {};' | docscrutinizer | ircer19:08
ShadowJK2013-01-06 19:14:07 (7,51 MB/s) - `' saved [102104330/102104330]19:14
ShadowJKSomeone has bumped the bandwidth on the "basic internet" service :)19:14
ShadowJKwebserver timestamp was yesterday on those .zips19:18
ShadowJKLast time I asked, it was 200M (or 300?) shared by 1000 users, and some per-user limits/throttles19:20
brknif it's too slow - that's me xD19:20
ShadowJKhm.. 7.51,, it's 100M physical link.. the missing 2.5 might be the other ppl in the house watching eurosport on iptv19:21
brknno that's me with 200 mbit on nokia servers19:22
brkni am sry, i wasn't aware other users could potentially want some files too :D19:23
* ShadowJK should probably call and complain that he's getting too fast interwebs19:23
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DocScrutinizer05[security warning!]
kerionote that the fix in that thread isn't officially endorsed by cssu19:46
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Apiccya all23:11
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wirrhi guys... forget everything i've said about the sandisk 32 uhs-1 card i've reported the last few days. i've massively extended the tests and was able to reproduce the transmission errors in every possible scenario, even recreating the original partition table using fat filesystem under stock kernel pr1.3...23:35
freemangordonwirr: toldya :P23:36
wirrfreemangordon, yes you - and others - did :-)23:36
wirrbut what the heck, i've learned a little something bout flash memory23:37
freemangordonwhich worths the money you've paid for a broken card :)23:37
wirri'm getting a replacement card next week. so we'll see if it's a general incompatibility with this model or just a defective one...23:37
wirrit's under warranty :-D23:38
ShadowJKI've seen hints that omap hsmmc can possible run without having a datatimeout at all... but I have a feeling that this is a bad idea :-)23:39
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wirrone thing i'm still wondering: the omap mmc controller is supposed to be single channel and has a hardcoded block size of 1024b. what does this mean in relation to filesystem blocksize and striping? aren't _all_ modern cards depending on multi-plane, multi-channel block writes of n times 4k?23:40
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ShadowJKI think it has more to do with what flies across the MMC bus (on the physical pins of the card)23:52
ShadowJKOr then it has to do with what flies across the physical wires between hsmmc and ram23:52
ShadowJKman, this flashbench thing is giving me totally whack results23:54
wirrin what sense? to me it proved to be quite reliable... whenever it jumps over a boundary you're supposed to see that in increased delta times...23:55
ShadowJKTrying to find open # AU23:55
wirrhmm. can't help you there :(23:56

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