| Estel_ | [ 1837.984039] usb 1-1: Product: USB 2.0 10/100M Ethernet Adaptor | 00:00 |
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| kerio | that's irrelevant, it's just taking power | 00:00 |
| kerio | and the name is part of the usb specs in general i think | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | it lights up, and device on the other side (notebook) detects RJ45 being plugged in (it doesn't, when adaptor isn't enumerated by N900) | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | hm | 00:00 |
| Estel_ | still, no interface created | 00:01 |
| kerio | hm, plugged in and powered but not enumerated? | 00:01 |
| kerio | Estel_: could you try it on a linux box and check what module gets loaded? | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | it wouldn't print "product: USB (...)" without being enumerated | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | I've never had much luck with $2 usb ethernet adapters even on PC.. | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, yea, I saw your comment about davicom | 00:01 |
| Estel_ | although, this one works well on PC | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | lol what, I was just going to mention that one | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | and it isn't davicom methinks (no davicom module auto-load, and it's part of kp too) | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, I've done my homework and seen every TMO thread about those dongles :P | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | anyway, I noticed something that "may" be related, in syslog: | 00:02 |
| Estel_ | http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?4a18a904742caf00#OwWTIzzrsU0KZB2Wlei7+8B5RS7nzqEvHlIXny+dJpU= | 00:03 |
| Estel_ | eithers module is incomplete, wrong one is loaded, or I have no idea | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | funniest thing - once, I got interface "uplink0" (sic!) created, no idea how and why, wasn't able to reproduce. It wasn't working in any way, too | 00:04 |
| Estel_ | peterleinched (in thread where ShadowJK commented on davicom) was able to get eth0 on his davicom, and ping it locally, no remote ping, though | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | I'm not even on step of interface up. Any ideas, how to force this cheap bastard to work? | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | kerio, I haven't ignored your idea of checking module from linuxbox, will do that too | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | Check what module gets loaded on pc where it works? | 00:05 |
| Estel_ | sadly, had tested in on windoze only, till now. Lack of linuxboxes around... :( will make PITA for myself and download liveCD and run frolm it | 00:06 |
| Estel_ | aptosid should be recent enough, methinks, to contain such modules? | 00:07 |
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| Estel_ | (no linuxboxes around - joys of travelling) | 00:07 |
| kerio | i suppose so | 00:07 |
| * Estel_ is noob when it comes on using USB-> eth adapters anyway, so not even sure how to test it properly on linuxbox, after setting one up from livecd on some PC around here | 00:08 | |
| kerio | connect other computer, configure static ipv4, send ping and other stuff | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | first google result claims davicom | 00:09 |
| Estel_ | BTW, cheap buying rox - from same supplier, I got RJ45/RJ11/BCN cable tester. Noticed, that it fails to check shield on RJ45. Disassembled. Well, it couldn't work, as there was no indication diode at all, for ground, neither on master or remote | 00:10 |
| kerio | hahaha | 00:10 |
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| Estel_ | ShadowJK, hm. Quite possible. Why the hell it doesn't pick up daviom driver from KP? | 00:10 |
| kerio | Estel_: try loading it manually | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | But the davicom driver in powerkernel doesn't have those IDs | 00:10 |
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| Estel_ | unknown PID, even for driver? | 00:10 |
| kerio | i'm not sure what's supposed to load modules | 00:10 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, manual loading should work, or unknown ID will render it futile? | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | the module doesn't have an option to try drive arbitrary devices | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | (ending story with shield check on cable tester - just soldered 2 diodes there, and it wprks as it should - funny enough, they were lacking on brand new, sealed device) | 00:11 |
| Estel_ | hm | 00:12 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, sorry for lame question - does your last sentence mean "manual loading won't work"? | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | ...and only way is to recompile module with my device's ID included? | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 00:13 |
| Estel_ | (not sure though, but if it's really davicom, it's rather recent one) | 00:14 |
| kerio | you need 1) to load the module or make sure that it's loaded automatically, and 2) to make sure the module knows how to work | 00:14 |
| kerio | usually drivers for usb devices have a way to force them to work with a certain device | 00:14 |
| kerio | but it's module-specific i suppose | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | usually devices more well known to come with batshit crazy random IDs | 00:15 |
| Estel_ | davicom should be known to come with those, well enough :P | 00:16 |
| Estel_ | ping Pali | 00:18 |
| Estel_ | well, it's davicom for sure (after some googling) | 00:19 |
| Estel_ | JP1082 chip, whatever it means | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | fun fact - seller claims that it's compatible with Android | 00:20 |
| Estel_ | and that android (= linux) drikvers are included in this funny mini-cd, included with package | 00:21 |
| * Estel_ is wondering, if those could be of any use | 00:21 | |
| kerio | which drivers are those? | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | JP1082 :P sounds like bullshit name, investigating... | 00:22 |
| Estel_ | funny enough, android kids claim to sucesfully use this very model on their devices | 00:23 |
| Estel_ | (google result in some discussions) | 00:23 |
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| Estel_ | time to put this optical USB drive iinto use P;) | 00:23 |
| * Estel_ is connecting it to N900) | 00:24 | |
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| ShadowJK | first hit on google for me found some driver written by davicom | 00:25 |
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| Estel_ | same here, as ultra-slim optical drive readers are unabe to read mini-cd's... | 00:26 |
| Estel_ | so it's basically a trashdisk for me ;) | 00:26 |
| warfaren | so i've "bricked" my N900 to the 5 dots loading screens. supposedly because i have a .profile in my home folder | 00:26 |
| kerio | warfaren: it's not because of that, probably | 00:27 |
| kerio | ...well, maybe | 00:27 |
| warfaren | well it could be because that's what i found.. someone else had the same problem on google | 00:27 |
| warfaren | and he deleted that file and it fixed it | 00:27 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, could you check if ID there match my one? | 00:27 |
| warfaren | so my question is can i mount the file system to my laptop over USB? | 00:27 |
| warfaren | /dev/sdb and sdc appears as i connect it but mount just loads for a while and then doesn't recognize it | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | Yes the first search for your id gave me that | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | wait, i can do it myself, too. Sorryp got confused for a while | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | or rather someone editing davicom drivers for your id | 00:28 |
| Estel_ | so now the "easy" task of compiling it for kernel-power, without dev enviromnent (or even stable linuxbox) around :P | 00:28 |
| kerio | warfaren: 5 dots loading screen and then what? | 00:29 |
| kerio | reboot? | 00:29 |
| warfaren | nope just stuck infintely | 00:29 |
| Estel_ | or is there any better way? | 00:29 |
| kerio | hm | 00:29 |
| warfaren | i was stupid enough to run bash from .profile to make it my default shell. didn't realise it would run .profile on boot | 00:29 |
| warfaren | probably it just launches the shell and then gets nowhere | 00:29 |
| kerio | warfaren: /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc are the two LUNs that usb mass storage uses, but nothing's actually attached to them | 00:29 |
| warfaren | i see. | 00:30 |
| kerio | so it's no use going from there | 00:30 |
| warfaren | okay. what about the flashing mode you get by holding U? | 00:30 |
| kerio | oh well, time for rescueOS | 00:30 |
| kerio | warfaren: won't let you access, only write - afaik | 00:30 |
| kerio | ~rescueos | 00:30 |
| infobot | it has been said that rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 00:30 |
| kerio | you need a working flasher-3.5 | 00:30 |
| warfaren | what's that? hardware or a program? | 00:30 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, while I understand urge to have shell that you're used to, isn't it better to use busybox-power? ash/bash compliance on scripts you may want to use/share is PITA | 00:31 |
| kerio | the flashing program from nokia | 00:31 |
| kerio | Estel_: busybox-power's sh is still a piece of crap for interactive usage | 00:31 |
| warfaren | Estel_: you're probably right. i just got the phone (used) and wanted to see if i could make it my default shell that way.. heh... | 00:31 |
| kerio | warfaren: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 00:31 |
| warfaren | really just been messing around | 00:31 |
| Estel_ | OTOH, haven't seen any thing that bash is capable of, that couldn't be done using busybox-power and it's toolset | 00:31 |
| kerio | warfaren: oh, hold on | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | it's easier to just type "bash" :P | 00:32 |
| kerio | will you lose data if you reflash? | 00:32 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: it's much easier to chsh | 00:32 |
| kerio | and not have to do anything | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | zsh | 00:32 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, DocScrutinizer05 posted guide "somewhere" for bash lovers to make it default shell without putting it as boottime one... | 00:32 |
| Estel_ | still, isn't worth the effort, IMO | 00:32 |
| kerio | but it can be set as the default shell :( | 00:32 |
| warfaren | yeah i can live without it really | 00:32 |
| kerio | for both user and root | 00:32 |
| warfaren | okay | 00:32 |
| kerio | warfaren: you said you got the phone used, right? | 00:32 |
| kerio | when? | 00:32 |
| kerio | and did you reflash? | 00:33 |
| warfaren | yep.. a few days ago | 00:33 |
| kerio | do you have data that you don't want to lose at the moment on it? | 00:33 |
| warfaren | nope not yet just wanted to try it out for a few days before i put any work into it | 00:33 |
| warfaren | in case it had any hardware defects so i could return it | 00:33 |
| kerio | warfaren: well then it's easy | 00:33 |
| kerio | just reflash to the factory conditions :) | 00:33 |
| warfaren | so yeah well if i could mount /home/user/MyDocs and grab stuff off of there before reflashing it would be nice | 00:34 |
| kerio | oh so you do have data there | 00:34 |
| warfaren | but i assume it might not let me mount that very easily? | 00:34 |
| warfaren | just a little | 00:34 |
| warfaren | worst case i'll forget about it | 00:34 |
| kerio | nah, it's still possible - and via usb mass storage, too | 00:34 |
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| warfaren | alright | 00:34 |
| kerio | first you need to install flasher-3.5 | 00:34 |
| kerio | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 00:34 |
| warfaren | okay thanks ill look into it | 00:35 |
| warfaren | im on ubuntu 10.04 btw | 00:35 |
| kerio | blacklist cdc_phonet too | 00:35 |
| warfaren | okay. lsmod tells me that is currently loaded | 00:36 |
| kerio | add "blacklist cdc_phonet" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | 00:37 |
| warfaren | so i modprobe -r it first? so i dont have to reboot? | 00:37 |
| kerio | also unload it, yes | 00:37 |
| warfaren | ok | 00:37 |
| kerio | then install flasher-3.5 | 00:38 |
| warfaren | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb i assume? | 00:38 |
| kerio | that's correct, yes | 00:39 |
| kerio | i hope you can run x86 binaries | 00:39 |
| warfaren | yep i'm on an x86 32 bit install | 00:39 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, as I haven't done it before - while searching for drivers, I should use vendor ID, productID, or both? | 00:40 |
| warfaren | alright flasher-3.5 installed | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | as for "haven't done it before" I mean recomopiling random drivers for kernel-power with modded ID + requesting inclusion in kernel-power :P | 00:40 |
| Estel_ | or the important bit is combined ID, aka fe6_9700 in my case? | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | both | 00:42 |
| kerio | warfaren: how much do you care about the stuff in MyDocs? | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | i just copypasted the idvendor and ifproduct from your paste into google | 00:42 |
| warfaren | enough to give it a try if it doesn't take too long | 00:42 |
| kerio | warfaren: http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 00:42 |
| * Estel_ nods | 00:42 | |
| kerio | download 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img | 00:43 |
| kerio | make sure your N900 is turned off | 00:43 |
| warfaren | yep. also i think this is good to do for future reference. in case i mess it up again and have some really important stuff on there that time | 00:44 |
| kerio | then run flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" | 00:44 |
| kerio | on your box, as root | 00:44 |
| warfaren | right | 00:44 |
| warfaren | connect USB yet? | 00:44 |
| kerio | where initrd.img is the .img you just downloaded | 00:44 |
| kerio | no, not yet | 00:44 |
| warfaren | ok | 00:44 |
| kerio | flasher-3.5 will tell you "suitable device not found, waiting" | 00:44 |
| BCMM | I have two n900s here. both run the latest CSSU testing and they have identical sources.lists. one of them can't install fbreader because it can't find libfribidi0. there are not even any results for apt-cache search libfribidi0. what is going on here? | 00:44 |
| kerio | then you hold U, and attach the usb cable | 00:44 |
| kerio | (hold U on the n900 keyboard) | 00:44 |
| warfaren | yeah | 00:45 |
| kerio | it should load it up | 00:45 |
| warfaren | sweet | 00:45 |
| kerio | it'll ask you some things regarding networking, say no - you don't care about that | 00:45 |
| warfaren | that's so cool. so i just streamed the kernel over USB? like PXE booting? :P | 00:45 |
| kerio | you'll want to run /rescueOS/mass-storage-enable.sh | 00:46 |
| kerio | for reference, if your n900 doesn't have an english keyboard: "/" is fn+v | 00:46 |
| warfaren | actually i have a swedish one and that's what it really is | 00:46 |
| kerio | (only in rescueOS - the proper maemo install will of course follow the printed layout) | 00:46 |
| kerio | well, that's convenient :) | 00:47 |
| warfaren | yup! | 00:47 |
| kerio | to TAB for completion, use ctrl+i | 00:47 |
| warfaren | was just about to ask yer :D | 00:47 |
| kerio | (it also works on most terminals everywhere on linux!) | 00:47 |
| warfaren | mind reader :D | 00:47 |
| warfaren | nicee thanks i didn't know that one | 00:47 |
| kerio | once you've enabled usb mass storage you should get two partitions exported | 00:47 |
| kerio | you can access them on your computer as you please | 00:47 |
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| warfaren | hm that shellscript gave me some errors | 00:48 |
| kerio | once you're done copying your data, and this is something that i should've told you before, start downloading the latest release of the flashable images | 00:48 |
| kerio | oh, that's not good | 00:48 |
| kerio | which errors? | 00:48 |
| warfaren | g_file_storage gadget: No serial-number string provided! | 00:48 |
| kerio | meh, probably harmless | 00:48 |
| kerio | do you see the partitions on your ubuntu box? | 00:48 |
| warfaren | g_file_storage gadget-lun0: unable to open backing file: /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 00:49 |
| warfaren | and | 00:49 |
| kerio | hrmpf :s | 00:49 |
| warfaren | modprobe: 'kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_file_storage.ko': unknown symbol in module or invalid parameter | 00:49 |
| warfaren | ill check if the devices appeared | 00:49 |
| kerio | you don't have an SD inserted, do you? | 00:49 |
| warfaren | nope | 00:49 |
| warfaren | and no i only have sda know which is my hdd | 00:49 |
| kerio | NIN101: bugfix pls | 00:50 |
| kerio | warfaren: ugly fix: ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 00:50 |
| kerio | ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 00:50 |
| kerio | actually no, the other way around | 00:50 |
| kerio | you know what i mean | 00:50 |
| BCMM | any idea what could cause an n900s to not be able to find a package that an n900 with an identical sources.list can find? | 00:50 |
| kerio | no wait, it's right | 00:50 |
| kerio | BCMM: are you using apt-get or HAM? | 00:50 |
| kerio | warfaren: the issue is that the internal memory is mmcblk0 if there's no SD, and mmcblk1 if there is | 00:51 |
| warfaren | i see | 00:51 |
| BCMM | kerio: either | 00:51 |
| kerio | sorry for making you type all this stuff :( | 00:51 |
| warfaren | no worries im just very happy to get help! :D | 00:52 |
| warfaren | now i got the same error again but about mmcblk1p1 this time | 00:52 |
| BCMM | kerio: i can't install fbreader on one of them because it depends on libzlibrary which depends on libfribidi0 which can't be found | 00:52 |
| warfaren | i only ran the second thing you wrote. thought the first was a mistype? | 00:52 |
| warfaren | or was i supposed to do both? | 00:52 |
| kerio | warfaren: no, both | 00:52 |
| warfaren | right | 00:52 |
| kerio | you need to make the mmcblk1p1 and mmcblk1p2 devices appear somehow :) | 00:53 |
| BCMM | kerio: same in ham or apt-get. apt-cache search libfribidi0 has no results on the one with the problem. seems that libfribidi0 was in pr1.2 so should pretty much just be available right? | 00:53 |
| warfaren | yup that did it :D mounted them too! | 00:53 |
| kerio | BCMM: indeed, i have it in some nokia repos | 00:53 |
| kerio | warfaren: phew | 00:53 |
| kerio | ok, copy off your data and then do whatever with the n900, we're going to reflash it completely now | 00:53 |
| warfaren | is it read only? | 00:54 |
| kerio | which is something that should be done, on a used device | 00:54 |
| warfaren | i'd kinda like to try and rename .profile | 00:54 |
| warfaren | just to see if that helps? | 00:54 |
| kerio | warfaren: it should be rw, and it would probably fix your issue | 00:54 |
| warfaren | i see | 00:54 |
| kerio | but really, if it's a second-hand device you really want to reflash it | 00:54 |
| warfaren | i just wanna know for sure so that i don't run into the same thing again you know? | 00:54 |
| BCMM | kerio: just checked with teh working n900 and apt-get reinstall; i can still download it. i might just copy the .deb to the other phone but it feels like there is an underlying problem here... | 00:54 |
| warfaren | i dont mind hitting page up a few times and following your steps again :) | 00:54 |
| BCMM | how can i find out which exact repo i installed a package from? | 00:55 |
| kerio | warfaren: i'm confident that it would fix it | 00:55 |
| warfaren | alright | 00:55 |
| warfaren | if you say so | 00:55 |
| kerio | and i'm confident that you shouldn't run programs that don't quit in your .profile | 00:55 |
| warfaren | okay :P | 00:55 |
| kerio | now, as i was saying | 00:56 |
| warfaren | i really wanna try though because i've been messing around with a lot of other stuff and haven't rebooted for 23 hours | 00:56 |
| kerio | download http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:56 |
| warfaren | but yeah i should certainly do a full reflash after that | 00:56 |
| warfaren | i was planning on it anyways | 00:56 |
| kerio | then do it | 00:56 |
| warfaren | okay | 00:56 |
| kerio | move or change .profile, umount everything, reboot from the n900 | 00:56 |
| kerio | (unplug the usb cable too) | 00:57 |
| warfaren | okay halt or just hold power button? | 00:57 |
| kerio | type halt | 00:57 |
| warfaren | ok | 00:57 |
| kerio | i'm not sure that the power button does anything, in rescueOS | 00:57 |
| warfaren | i see | 00:57 |
| warfaren | yup that did it alright | 00:58 |
| warfaren | no more infinite loading dots | 00:58 |
| warfaren | hm why does it go into first time setup though? because of power loss when i removed battery? | 00:59 |
| kerio | yeah, that's one of the common problems of the n900 | 00:59 |
| kerio | the battery that holds the clock is awful, and fails after a year or so | 01:00 |
| warfaren | okay. so yeah now that the phone is booted normally should i just backup my data from here instead or do you recommend me going back into rescueos? | 01:00 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:00 |
| kerio | just backup your data normally i guess | 01:00 |
| NIN101 | kerio: seems again some of those mmcblkX issues | 01:00 |
| kerio | in the meantime, download those two images | 01:00 |
| Estel_ | kerio, it's not about battery quality | 01:00 |
| NIN101 | when sd card is inserte dor not | 01:00 |
| kerio | NIN101: it's not an issue, it's known behaviour | 01:00 |
| NIN101 | yeah. | 01:01 |
| kerio | weird behaviour, admittedly | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | it was bug in stock kernel- as result, goldcap was never recharged | 01:01 |
| kerio | Estel_: really? :o | 01:01 |
| warfaren | okay, i never really plugged the usb cable in before. will it let me access to the entire root filesystem like in rescueos? or just MyDocs? | 01:01 |
| kerio | so i can expect mine to keep working? | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | that why most of them die after a year or so | 01:01 |
| kerio | warfaren: just MyDocs, if you enable the usb mass storage mode | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | well, kernel-power (latest or so) fixes it | 01:01 |
| kerio | Estel_: and of course they can't be charged once they die | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | but obviously it won't revive dead goldcaps | 01:01 |
| Estel_ | yea ;) | 01:01 |
| warfaren | okay | 01:01 |
| kerio | so i can expect mine to last, neat | 01:01 |
| warfaren | well ill let you know when i'm done backing stuff up | 01:01 |
| kerio | warfaren: other common issues: microusb port failing | 01:02 |
| kerio | so treat it gently | 01:02 |
| warfaren | oh yeah i've read about that on wikipedia | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | well, probably yes, although it could lose most of it's capacity, in pre-fix times, even if it's alive | 01:02 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, instead of acknowleding usb problem, just solder it down as per dr_frost_dk's thread | 01:02 |
| kerio | and the cellmo could have some solder issues and it could eventually stop working | 01:02 |
| warfaren | my N8's micro usb is all loose and this phone is from the same era so i expect it to be of the same quality | 01:02 |
| kerio | warfaren: if you can find your way around a soldering iron, solder it down | 01:02 |
| warfaren | Estel_: got a link for that? i'd like to bookmark it. and solder my N8's port if it's similar | 01:03 |
| kerio | ~usb-fix | 01:03 |
| NIN101 | kerio: so as far as I remember, mmcblk0 = sd card on other systems than maemo because on maemo some udev script is in place. but if sd card is not present, then emmc is mmcblk0, correct? | 01:03 |
| infobot | well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, microUSB problem - in every device - is that it's SMD | 01:03 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:03 |
| kerio | NIN101: yep | 01:03 |
| kerio | they fucked that up good and proper | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | microusb can have more mating cycles, but it's all for nothing, as they have switched to smd for microUSB since miniUSB | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; i thought it was eventually discovered that Nolo sets up the charge of backupbat | 01:03 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, hm? I'm not aware of that, last time I checked it was considered soft bug? | 01:04 |
| Estel_ | I might have missed some new "discoveries" | 01:04 |
| NIN101 | ok so because I have my sd card always inserted I never stumbled upon this problem. Also because rescueOS was originally an sd card only system, then the initrd appeared :S | 01:04 |
| kerio | hm, i remember something like that, yes | 01:04 |
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| ShadowJK | I think N800 miniusb was smd too, but you dont use it for charging.. | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | Also, I've seen current era Lumias with broken usb ports :) | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | :) | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | so the problem is for sure not yetfixed | 01:05 |
| kerio | warfaren: have you put a sim card in yet? | 01:05 |
| kerio | if you haven't, don't | 01:05 |
| warfaren | btw is the micro usb port the only charging port on the N900? i know nokia has this super tiny round hole for charging on some devices. i just wonder if i didnt find it or if it doesn't have it? | 01:05 |
| warfaren | ah no i haven't | 01:05 |
| warfaren | don't plan on either | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | my latest idea - checking, if closest part of PCB under N900's microUSB doesn't contain inside-paths... | 01:05 |
| kerio | reflash, then don't put your sim in until you remove the "cherry" package | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | It only has microusb port | 01:05 |
| kerio | oh, really? :o | 01:05 |
| Estel_ | drilling it with 0.5 mm drill | 01:06 |
| kerio | then i guess that the possible modem problem won't be a problem for you | 01:06 |
| warfaren | yeah i have a few other phones already that i am kinda attached to | 01:06 |
| warfaren | i just want this phone as a mini computer really | 01:06 |
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| warfaren | with wifi | 01:06 |
| kerio | warfaren: suit yourself - it's not that good of a phone anyway | 01:06 |
| Estel_ | and mounting microUSB with solder-through, soldering it to ground plane on other side | 01:06 |
| warfaren | alright | 01:06 |
| kerio | mobile data is useful though | 01:06 |
| warfaren | yeahh | 01:06 |
| kerio | and you should still remove the "cherry" package | 01:06 |
| warfaren | okay, what does it do? | 01:06 |
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| Estel_ | can't agree, with correct software, mobile computer called N900;) becomes best phone suite too | 01:07 |
| kerio | it's some nokia sms subscription service bullshit | 01:07 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:07 |
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| kerio | it will eventually send an international sms to nokia | 01:07 |
| kerio | removing the "cherry" package prevents that | 01:07 |
| warfaren | i have the N9 too | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | only once per reflash, but still it's shit | 01:07 |
| warfaren | but i really wanted the keyboard.. hehe.. and N950's are too hard to get | 01:07 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, belive me, N950 are not that great | 01:08 |
| warfaren | okay | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | not usb hostmode, no microSD... | 01:08 |
| warfaren | oh yeah.. | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | crappy capacity screen, no FM transmitter... | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | freakin' irritating system | 01:08 |
| kerio | Estel_: does the N9 have a fmtx? | 01:08 |
| warfaren | yeah i'm really impressed with the hardware of the N900. so much more modular than the N9 | 01:08 |
| Estel_ | kerio, sure, but it is surface mounted and not connected to antenna :P | 01:09 |
| kerio | yeah, fremantle is much better than harmattan | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | i.e. leg of fm chip for transmitting | 01:09 |
| kerio | Estel_: what? :s | 01:09 |
| jaska | no microsd on 950? o.O didnt know | 01:09 |
| kerio | hahaha nice | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | isn't connected to antenna | 01:09 |
| kerio | so it's even worse than the n900? | 01:09 |
| warfaren | kinda like the N8 but with an inferior camera :P | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | jaska, yea | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | kerio - no much chances for fixing fmtx | 01:09 |
| warfaren | kerio: yeah i've already noticed that. i like harmattan but fremantle is just wow | 01:09 |
| Estel_ | i.e. as easy as increasing ram on N900 :P | 01:09 |
| warfaren | i even started googling for if you could install it on the N9 :P | 01:09 |
| kerio | Estel_: don't go there :( | 01:09 |
| kerio | warfaren: are you downloading VANILLA.bin and COMBINED.bin in the meantime? | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, there is Mer and Nemo, that you can install on N9/50, but hardware adaptation isn't full and probably wont be | 01:10 |
| * ShadowJK suspects usb ports will break even if they were throughhole | 01:10 | |
| ShadowJK | since usb ports are fundamentally shit | 01:10 |
| warfaren | kerio: yeah they finished up some time ago | 01:10 |
| kerio | Estel_: and besides, they're still annoying :) | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, why? most of the time, they break due to side-moves | 01:10 |
| Estel_ | well, there was a Cordia project (hildon-like UI for Mer), but it's never going to be complete, belive me ;) | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | I mean, I've broken 2 usb ports on my *PC*, and those ports were bolted to aluminium frame | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | maybe lipstick/Nemo will allow to mimic hildon feats, but... | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, lol | 01:11 |
| Estel_ | I have never, ever, seen regular size USB port becoming broken | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | seriously | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | I mean regular way, that doesn't include kicking machine in rage by someone | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | hammering | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | throwing from window etc | 01:12 |
| Estel_ | well, I lied a little - I have seen one spring inside big USB port breaking, for no reason. Fixed it easily. | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | it's this problem: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2388 | 01:13 |
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| Estel_ | haha | 01:14 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: heh, i knew exactly which comic that was | 01:14 |
| kerio | before clicking the link | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 01:14 |
| kerio | it's weird, i thought it only worked with xkcd | 01:14 |
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| Estel_ | well, call me insane, but I *always* check big USB plug alligment before plugging | 01:14 |
| Estel_ | kinda sub-consciouss habit | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | Need to get an endoscope :) | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | they seem hard to figure out with just touch | 01:15 |
| warfaren | oh btw, i love how RescueOS actually shows me some real text when it's booting. is that easy to do on the regular OS aswell instead of the loading dots? | 01:15 |
| kerio | warfaren: eeeh, kinda | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | though for musb you can feel for the two hooks | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | : ) and I always remember how they're alligned on back of old PC's | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, sure | 01:15 |
| Estel_ | kernel-power + fbcon | 01:15 |
| warfaren | okay cool. would like to look into it later if i have the time | 01:16 |
| kerio | Estel_: not quite, you also need a different cmdline | 01:16 |
| warfaren | fbcon = frame buffer console? | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | yea | 01:16 |
| kerio | yep | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | kerio, hm? | 01:16 |
| warfaren | what does kernel-power do btw? is it kinda like inception for harmattan? | 01:16 |
| kerio | you need to delete the progress dots, modprobe fbcon early, and set up the console on the appropriate tty | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, no | 01:16 |
| kerio | warfaren: nah, it's just a different kernel with a lot more capabilities | 01:16 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:16 |
| Estel_ | it's bugfixes from mainstream + backports from higher kernel versions | 01:17 |
| warfaren | nice | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | + fixing maemo's kernel specific bugs | 01:17 |
| Estel_ | = must have | 01:17 |
| warfaren | ah | 01:17 |
| kerio | fixes a couple hardware things, adds overclocking capabilities (to never use), and adds neat stuff like iptables | 01:17 |
| warfaren | i heard it breaks qtirreco though? | 01:17 |
| kerio | or bridge support | 01:17 |
| kerio | warfaren: pierogi is better | 01:17 |
| warfaren | okay cool :) | 01:17 |
| kerio | besides, i don't think it does | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | not to mention enabling thumb (if mixed with cssu-thumb), that is closest thing to RAM upgrade you will ever get... Until I becolme rich, buy infra-red industrial class soldering station, hunt down matching SoC with more RAM, and solder it | 01:18 |
| warfaren | i couldn't get qtirreco to work personally anyway. even without kernel-power | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, qtirreco is EOL | 01:18 |
| warfaren | i was beggining to think my IR hardware was broken | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | no one works on it for ages | 01:18 |
| warfaren | ok | 01:18 |
| Estel_ | it just doesn't work ;) | 01:18 |
| kerio | warfaren: hm, i don't think that's a common problem | 01:18 |
| kerio | otoh, a common problem is that it sucks | 01:18 |
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| Estel_ | pierogi is a way for IR, and for emergency shutdowns, TVBGone! widget | 01:18 |
| warfaren | but i found another software and it made my IR port light up in my camera so i'm not concerned anymore | 01:19 |
| kerio | you need to be quite perfect in line | 01:19 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 01:19 |
| kerio | and the range kinda sucks | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pong | 01:19 |
| warfaren | okay | 01:19 |
| warfaren | overvolting? :D | 01:19 |
| teotwaki | Estel_: well well, and I'm fairly sure I've got some logs where you said you'd never show your head in #maemo anymore. | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | w00t? | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | wishful thinking , it was about TMO | 01:19 |
| Estel_ | not in mood for talking about it, though | 01:19 |
| teotwaki | erhm, no, it was about #maemo. | 01:20 |
| teotwaki | sure, suit yourself, I was just jesting :) | 01:20 |
| teotwaki | happy newyear, btw | 01:20 |
| Estel_ | so either you're wrong or "everybody lies". | 01:20 |
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| Estel_ | well, modified davicom drivers for egthernet dongle seems to work. Time to pester Pali about updating ID's in kernel-power's module, for next version | 01:21 |
| Estel_ | thanks for help, ShadowJK! | 01:22 |
| kerio | warfaren: it's really not worth it | 01:22 |
| roostrus` | https://krautchan.net/files/1357413528001.png | 01:22 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, overvolting won't help IR diode, it's just quite non-tollerant for bad aiming | 01:22 |
| kerio | and eventually you'll fuck up the cpu | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; does it ping? | 01:22 |
| roostrus` | legit | 01:22 |
| warfaren | hehe okay | 01:22 |
| kerio | oh, you meant the IR diode? | 01:22 |
| roostrus` | sorry wrong channel | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, yes. | 01:23 |
| kerio | we *seriously* need a #maemo qdb | 01:23 |
| Estel_ | quite like belkin, you need to enumerate it with cabole plugged in, to auto-create interface | 01:23 |
| kerio | warfaren: are you not done yet? :s | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; does ping -s 1400 also work? | 01:23 |
| warfaren | kerio: almost. got caught up with some chat so i couldn't work 100% :P | 01:24 |
| warfaren | but i'm backing up stuff now | 01:24 |
| kerio | ...you're in the same timezone as me? | 01:24 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, chucking, but eventually responds, why asking? | 01:24 |
| warfaren | huh? | 01:24 |
| warfaren | GMT+1 here | 01:24 |
| kerio | your irssi reports that you're in UTC+1, yes | 01:25 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: can you organise the things that maemo-archive needs to mirror? I've been getting email and PM spam regarding people who want to upload shit | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | Estel_; the MTU and davicom thing :) | 01:25 |
| warfaren | why? | 01:25 |
| Estel_ | erm, got DC'ed - i wonder if due to abusing it via ping with big size, or my connector sucks and get moved | 01:25 |
| kerio | why are we doing this now, when i kinda want to go to sleep, instead of, say, tomorrow at around 11 am? :s | 01:25 |
| kerio | i just assumed you were in a crappy timezone | 01:25 |
| warfaren | aha | 01:26 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, it seems it might have been eliminated in new davicoms. Sad p.art - they have changed ID's. | 01:26 |
| warfaren | yeah sure no problem for me | 01:26 |
| kerio | nah, i'll just help you with the flashing | 01:26 |
| warfaren | i'm really grateful for all the help i've gotten so far and besides the phone is booting again :P | 01:26 |
| warfaren | :) | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: please redirect those to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/backed-up-sites.txt | 01:26 |
| kerio | yeah but you should reflash | 01:26 |
| Estel_ | kerio, linking to wiki with flashing article isn't easier? He isn't noob. Of course if wiki works, at all | 01:26 |
| warfaren | yeahh will definately do so | 01:26 |
| kerio | Estel_: the steps after flashing are crucial, too | 01:26 |
| kerio | for instance, he might risk installing rootsh | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | kerio, like what? | 01:27 |
| kerio | instead of doing the right thing | 01:27 |
| warfaren | it's really slow anyway. installing apps from the appstore makes it sit at a screen doing nothing for 2 minutes before starting to install. that isn't normal is it? | 01:27 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: is that the one that runs on maemo-archive? | 01:27 |
| kerio | warfaren: HAM is a piece of crap | 01:27 |
| warfaren | i assume it could have to do with the previous owner having a lot of repositories or something | 01:27 |
| kerio | (Application Manager) | 01:27 |
| warfaren | okay | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | warfaren, sadly, hildon application manager is always, always slow | 01:27 |
| warfaren | i see | 01:27 |
| kerio | warfaren: and sadly, | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | but we have apt-get or fapman | 01:27 |
| kerio | ~fapman | 01:27 |
| infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 01:27 |
| kerio | ^ true story | 01:27 |
| Estel_ | what a factoid | 01:27 |
| kerio | so use apt-get | 01:27 |
| warfaren | i have been using apt-get as often as i could since i realised its slowness | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that is what our volunteers did on a dedicated server we hired for backup | 01:28 |
| warfaren | at first i thought it wasn't working at all. heh | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | well, warfaren, don't want to start a little argue, but I'm using fapman since beginning of times, without any problems, ever | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: nfc what's maemo-archive | 01:28 |
| kerio | Estel_: except that the pre/post scripts are run in a different way | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | even for things depreciated by others, like cssu upgrades or first-time installations | 01:28 |
| warfaren | okay i will totally check it out when i'm done | 01:28 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: it's my server, maemo-archive.wedrop.it | 01:28 |
| kerio | and a lot of them don't work | 01:28 |
| kerio | like the various flashers | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | some things are a bad idea to use fapman/apt-get with | 01:28 |
| Estel_ | ShadowJK, true, and out of curiosity, I'm always re-testing things like cssu upgrades on other device, via ham | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | I have yet to see any things broken by fapman, though. Curikous to test, if you have examples what reproducibly fails | 01:29 |
| kerio | warfaren: to get root access, install openssh from the repos (it'll make you set a root password), then login as root by sshing localhost and set up your own sudoers file | 01:29 |
| Estel_ | kerio, or install rootsh, or sudser, if you want passwords ;) | 01:30 |
| kerio | rootsh is a piece of crap | 01:30 |
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| warfaren | okay. that's better security wise? | 01:30 |
| kerio | sudser fucks up the sudoers file if you set no password | 01:30 |
| Estel_ | sure, still, everyone uses it and won't complain. | 01:30 |
| * kerio doesn't have it installed) | 01:30 | |
| warfaren | i assume i want to disable root login in /etc/ssh/sshd_config after that? | 01:30 |
| kerio | warfaren: security on fremantle is a joke | 01:30 |
| warfaren | okay :P | 01:30 |
| kerio | there's no /etc/shadow support, for instance | 01:30 |
| kerio | ...so yeah | 01:30 |
| warfaren | ouch | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | security on fremantle = truecrypt + 5 minutes autolock + smscon | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | smscon needs to be thoroughly configured | 01:31 |
| kerio | smscon isn't that kind of security, though | 01:31 |
| kerio | is it? | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | then, even if someone *would* want to steal your nude photos, its futile | 01:31 |
| Estel_ | kerio, it is in addition to auto-mount partitions of truecrypt | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | i.e. things that you mount on boot time | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | (aka lowest risk things, like addressbook, mails, or notes, or photos, or videos, or...) | 01:32 |
| Estel_ | if you have area51 data, you should mount it manually, for sure, but in other cases, auto-mounting on boogt time (with providing password and keyfiles on boottime by user) is more conveinent idea | 01:33 |
| kerio | if you have area51 data, send plz | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | and still, to get around lock code, one need to reboot device at least once | 01:33 |
| Estel_ | which unmount partition, even if it was mount at boot time. | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | belive or not, N900 is most secure device in terms of protecting data, if you configure it properly (comparable to real linux notebooks) | 01:34 |
| kerio | Estel_: i think he was talking more about the system security | 01:34 |
| Estel_ | well, if you feel it fancy, you can encrypt home :P | 01:34 |
| warfaren | heheh | 01:34 |
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| kerio | meh, i'm actually going to sleep, you guys finish this | 01:35 |
| warfaren | alright | 01:35 |
| warfaren | thanks again for your help! | 01:35 |
| kerio | ~flashing | 01:35 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:35 |
| kerio | follow that, too | 01:35 |
| warfaren | will do! | 01:35 |
| Estel_ | cryptfs etc... still, You don't wanna flash combined, with home encrypted. Funny thiong to do. | 01:35 |
| kerio | then delete cherry, get root access, install some flavour of cssu | 01:35 |
| kerio | possibly testing, if you're ok with some quirkyness | 01:36 |
| warfaren | alright | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | well, I would rather say reflash -> install kernel-power and cssu-thumb->install ssh -> install hostmode ;) | 01:36 |
| kerio | i wouldn't necessarily install cssu-thumb right now, it's slightly quirkier than cssu testing | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | anyone have own favorites, heh | 01:36 |
| Estel_ | everyone* | 01:36 |
| kerio | Estel_: that's what i'd do, but he got a n900 two days ago | 01:36 |
| kerio | give him a bit of time to familiarize himself with the system at least :) | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | frankly, I wouldn't recommend cssu stable to anyone | 01:37 |
| kerio | Estel_: cssu stable is for normal users | 01:37 |
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| Estel_ | old jerk rule - cssu-testing = stable, cssu-stable = oldstable, cssu-thumb = stable+devel thumb bits | 01:37 |
| kerio | in fact, it's recommended, as a "bugfix version" of pr 1.3 | 01:37 |
| Estel_ | kerio, cssu stable is severely outdated, too :/ | 01:38 |
| kerio | it should be indistinguishable, in fact | 01:38 |
| kerio | Estel_: **the same as stock but with less bugs** | 01:38 |
| kerio | it's like the whole point | 01:38 |
| warfaren | ok well i'm ready to flash | 01:38 |
| Estel_ | well, not in mood for any argues anyway, but "less bugs" may be not really approriate for stable. Funny enough, testing seems to be more mature in terms of being bugless. | 01:39 |
| Estel_ | anyway, he is grown up, and will install any shit he want ;) | 01:39 |
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| warfaren | haha | 01:40 |
| kerio | ...this went better than i thought | 01:41 |
| kerio | warfaren: flash COMBINED without (re)booting, flash VANILLA, boot | 01:41 |
| kerio | and be happy | 01:42 |
| warfaren | i see. i'm about to read the page you linked though | 01:42 |
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| kerio | going to sleep, ask here if you need any help, they're mostly good people | 01:43 |
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| warfaren | :) sleep tight | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>cssu stable is severely outdated<< vs >>Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5<< | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | harsh criteria for 'severely outdated' - ~10 days | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some people are never happy, unless they have something to bitch about | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | warfaren: a suggestion for good: make familiar with you awesome new N900 for a few weeks, then install cssu-stable and notice you don't really see any difference. Then check http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable and explore a few of the "hidden" features. Then if you feel like helping with cssu-testing (as explained on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU ) you can install cssu-testing any time, you can upgrade from stable | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to testing | 02:30 |
| warfaren | i see | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't install too much nonsense before you got a feeling how smooth and with how much endurance a plain N900 runs, when no skype installed | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if any questions, come here and ask :-) | 02:32 |
| warfaren | ahh.. doesn't skype come preinstalled though? | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | more or less, yes | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's known to kill the battery, due to constant data traffic via GSM/UMTS | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so better don't use it in your first week | 02:51 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: why is that? skype I mean | 02:52 |
| freemangordon | I am online on skype 24/7, don't see any problems with it | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that's news to me | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I always thought skyhost processes are BAD[TM] | 02:55 |
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| freemangordon | no, why is that? who says it? | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | heard it several times | 02:58 |
| freemangordon | toldya, I run skype 24/7 since I got the device (~3years ago), didn;t see any problems | 02:58 |
| freemangordon | thats weird | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | skype is p2p, with unpredictable behaviour | 02:59 |
| freemangordon | the only telepathy plugin that makes troubles (afaik) is telepathy-idle | 02:59 |
| freemangordon | it crashes every now and then, on disconnect | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that buddy list in skype addbook could cause massive update traffic | 02:59 |
| jonwil | hmmm, I do wonder how long Skype-on-N900 will keep working before Microsoft makes some breaking change to the protocol... :P | 03:00 |
| freemangordon | well, but that does not make him unstable or buggy | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 03:01 |
| freemangordon | Doing traffic | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said skype is instable | 03:01 |
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| freemangordon | aah, you mean the battery | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-06 01:50:36] <DocScrutinizer05> but it's known to kill the battery, due to constant data traffic via GSM/UMTS | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-06 01:51:04] <DocScrutinizer05> so better don't use it in your first week | 03:02 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, sorry, missed that | 03:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: well, I am online on skype/gtalk/fb chat all day long | 03:03 |
| freemangordon | some days on 2G the others on wifi | 03:03 |
| freemangordon | if I don;t play much with the device (which happens rarely :D) it lasts > 24 hours with a charge | 03:04 |
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| freemangordon | but it easily makes it through the day with lots of play (usually I use it as a book reader with opera) | 03:05 |
| freemangordon | but it is screen that eats the battery, not IM accounts | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen eats much battery, yes | 03:05 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ofc I am on thumb with SR on, I guess that gives me some additional 1-2 hours | 03:07 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hi | 03:45 |
| warfaren | hi | 03:48 |
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| FIQ|n900 | How can you make wget download files with another name? | 03:48 |
| warfaren | what exactly do you mean? | 03:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | You can abuse -O but according to manpage that's not intended use of it | 03:49 |
| warfaren | oh the output file? yeah | 03:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | warfaren: making wget save to specified name | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Just use -O | 03:49 |
| warfaren | that's what i do. didn't know you weren't supposed to? | 03:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | I wonder what the "right" way is | 03:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | warfaren: manpage says not to :p | 03:49 |
| robbiethe1st | wget http://something.com/something else -O "myMediaFile.avi" | 03:49 |
| warfaren | what does it say it is for? | 03:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | "Use of -O is NOT intended to mean simply "use the name file instead of the one in the URL" | 03:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | robbiethe1st: ok then | 03:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Works fine for me. | 03:51 |
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| robbiethe1st | Again, the difference between what the developer intends and what people actually use it for can be huge | 03:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | :p | 03:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | I guess | 03:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Fortunately, we users don't care what those silly devs want, right? | 03:52 |
| robbiethe1st | ...and then will send them bug reports when it doesn't do what we expect. | 03:52 |
| warfaren | oh yeah well you can output it to STDOUT and redirect that into a file i guess | 03:52 |
| warfaren | like he says in the example | 03:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | robbiethe1st: :p | 03:53 |
| robbiethe1st | hehe | 03:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | but my main concern to why i really wanted this is an issue with fat32 | 03:53 |
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| warfaren | oh i see | 03:53 |
| warfaren | what is that? | 03:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | apparently fat32 doesn't support ?, = or both and instead write a bogus error | 03:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | let me paste | 03:54 |
| warfaren | in filenames? yeah that sounds familiar | 03:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Heck, more than that | 03:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | Cannot write to "o-i l.i?dl=1" (Success). | 03:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Same with NTFS | 03:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | (keep in mind I altered filename to something else) | 03:55 |
| warfaren | yeah probably because of compatibility with the DOS syntax | 03:55 |
| robbiethe1st | It's why I often have to 'fix' filenames when I move from my awesome ext4 system to silly Windoze boxen. | 03:55 |
| warfaren | ah yeah | 03:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | so basically -O (proper filename) should do it I suppose? | 03:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Which means... Give up your Fat32! Come over to the light side! | 03:56 |
| warfaren | it should.. | 03:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | robbiethe1st: ntfs actually supports more than explorer allows though | 03:56 |
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| robbiethe1st | true | 03:57 |
| warfaren | yeah i've written some illegal characters to file names of an NTFS partition. couldn't delete them from windows 7. hehehe | 03:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | it's case sensitive for example, which introduces a lot of problems if you actually write files with same name and different casings and try to use it on windows | 03:57 |
| warfaren | or rename them or anything. had to load up linux to fix it | 03:57 |
| robbiethe1st | I've done more than that - With cygwin, I've managed to change filenames to stuff that either deleted or 'disappeared' the file | 03:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | had to move one of the files to fix it lol | 03:58 |
| warfaren | hehehe fun | 03:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | even cygwin failed to solve the equality :P | 03:58 |
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| jonwil | anyone here know anything about the status of the wiki? I have the right entry in etc/hosts and its picking up the new wiki location (in that it doesn't have the "warning this wiki is moving" in big red letters), I want to know if its safe to edit said wiki or not (specifcially http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages ) | 04:19 |
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| jon_y | warfaren: del \\.\C:\path | 04:29 |
| warfaren | that works on windows? :P hehe | 04:29 |
| jon_y | yes | 04:30 |
| warfaren | cool | 04:30 |
| jon_y | annoy your friends by creating a file called "nul" on the desktop | 04:30 |
| warfaren | :D | 04:30 |
| jon_y | bonus points if it takes up a few GBs :) | 04:30 |
| warfaren | hehehe | 04:30 |
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| jon_y | see fsutil to instantly create oversized files | 04:31 |
| jon_y | or giant sparse files | 04:31 |
| warfaren | lol :) | 04:31 |
| jon_y | it needs admin rights though | 04:31 |
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| jon_y | I belive Cygwin uses UNC paths internally | 04:32 |
| jon_y | it should be able to delete files with funny names | 04:32 |
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| jon_y | warfaren: also, you can try this in cmd: mkdir "funnydir " | 04:33 |
| jon_y | the space makes it impossible to delete through explorer | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: supposed to be safe | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 05:38 |
| infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 05:38 |
| jonwil | ok, great | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway my lil etc/hosts tweak did too much actually | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools looks like shite now | 05:39 |
| jonwil | I observed that if I just put wiki.maemo.org in there it looks ok | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess i'll have to comment out one line after another to find why it renders like there was no css | 05:40 |
| jonwil | otherwise if I put static.maemo.org in there it looks like crap | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, did same | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite possibly it's static.maemo.org, yup | 05:40 |
| jonwil | I think either the static.maemo.org isn't working properly yet | 05:40 |
| jonwil | or we have the wrong /etc/hosts entry for it (which I doubt) | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both? | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, static.maemo.org commented out and everything fine on wiki at least | 05:42 |
| jonwil | ok, so I intend to update http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages with details of anything that has an open clone but where the open clone isn't listed | 05:47 |
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| Apic | A splendid good Sunday to You all! | 09:30 |
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| kerio | pcfe: what the hell man | 11:19 |
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| MohammadAG | o/ | 13:49 |
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| Apic | \o/ | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi MohammadAG | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | heya DocScrutinizer05 | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | wanted to flash my N9 yesterday and it seems I need navifirm to download firmware images | 13:58 |
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| MohammadAG | since I hate windows, I thought about writing an open source navifirm in Qt, good progress so far | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might soon be out of luck | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | the closing down recently announced? saw it after I started | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-01-02 12:58:10] <thedead1440> backup your Harmattan firmwares: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/nokia-navifirm-access-firmware-downloads/ | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, isn't Nokia Online a simple login? | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | so cookies could technically be used | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: I think they're going to change this massively | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: how about a new uBoot-KP pkg? you're maintainer | 14:02 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: there is a uboot for n9?? | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: would be mad useful, since only new (52) KP supports thumb | 14:03 |
| jon_y | oh haha | 14:03 |
| jon_y | ok, for n900 | 14:04 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i.imgur.com/s08Pg.png bah | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | is 40.2012.21.3 the latest FW for the N9? | 14:07 |
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| thedead1440 | stupid question: does the n900 have offline navigation via the default Maps application? | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | not the I know of | 14:08 |
| Apic | Offline, yes. | 14:08 |
| Apic | Just not Voice-Guided | 14:08 |
| thedead1440 | Apic: how do you download the maps? | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG | the N900? | 14:08 |
| Apic | It downloads them automatically according to your GPS Position | 14:09 |
| thedead1440 | i mean the ~/MyDocs/cities folder in mine is only 24MB | 14:09 |
| Apic | Yes, the N900 | 14:09 |
| Apic | Ah, hm | 14:09 |
| Apic | Then Offline Navigation will probably only work if you went that Route online before | 14:09 |
| Apic | Or downloaded the whole Maps with the Ovi Map installer on a PC | 14:09 |
| thedead1440 | ah so maps pre-loaded right? | 14:10 |
| thedead1440 | s/so /so no / | 14:10 |
| infobot | thedead1440 meant: ah so no maps pre-loaded right? | 14:10 |
| Apic | You can probably somehow preload them for your whole country | 14:10 |
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| thedead1440 | via NSuite or PC Suite? | 14:10 |
| Apic | Dunno | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | too many firmwares for the N9 | 14:10 |
| thedead1440 | thanks will try it out then | 14:10 |
| Apic | Probably there's an App in Program Manager | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | not sure which one is 001 | 14:10 |
| Apic | GL | 14:10 |
| thedead1440 | MohammadAG: NDT and ROW are usually 001 | 14:11 |
| thedead1440 | ROW is definitely 001 but most NDT too are | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik maemo-maps does NO offline-routing | 14:11 |
| kerio | there's no offline routing in maemo-maps | 14:11 |
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| thedead1440 | so DocScrutinizer05 in that case there are no maps to download? | 14:12 |
| kerio | you can look at the map that you've downloaded | 14:12 |
| kerio | it doesn't route | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes there are | 14:12 |
| thedead1440 | ok | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc even built in download | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I'm dreaming this up | 14:12 |
| kerio | nah, you need a program on a computer | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway there been a map downloader | 14:13 |
| kerio | modrana is the one that can download from builtin :) | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio is right | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or just | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kerio | 14:13 |
| infobot | from memory, kerio is <DocScrutinizer> [...] kerio is correct [...] | 14:13 |
| kerio | actually, that one is better | 14:14 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 14:14 |
| kerio | infobot: no, kerio is <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right | 14:14 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 14:14 |
| thedead1440 | was asking for backup purposes; the maps ui on the n900 is bad enough to put anyone away from actually using it :D | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's the only app that actually works from contacts addr | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or did, at one time | 14:16 |
| kerio | *so far* | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long ago | 14:16 |
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| thedead1440 | haha | 14:16 |
| kerio | you probably need a dbus service or something | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | God, would I love to configure e.g. marble, mappero, modrana, to come up when you click on contact's addr | 14:17 |
| * kerio has uninstalled maemo-maps | 14:17 | |
| kerio | why no love for maep? :( | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you bet you do | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (need dbus) | 14:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have maemo-maps installed? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 14:18 |
| kerio | do you mind pastebinning the output of dpkg -L nokia-maps-core ? | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# locate maps| wc -l | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 18395 | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: http://pastebin.com/QA0wh0n3 | 14:20 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ~# locate maps | wc -l | 14:20 |
| thedead1440 | -sh: locate: not found | 14:20 |
| thedead1440 | 0 | 14:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: now pastebin /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.NokiaMaps.service plskthx | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/aS0cp5R6 | 14:21 |
| kerio | well, there you go | 14:22 |
| kerio | i'm not sure how the address is passed | 14:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 should finally set up his private RDA | 14:22 | |
| kerio | but just add a similar dbus service with your appropriate mapper | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I'd use dbus-monitor, everything else I'm on your page, KTNX | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: except I stopped developing stuff some years ago | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thought it's not fair when only I have all the fun ;-P | 14:24 |
| thedead1440 | hmm is there another way to get locate other than findgnu-utils package? | 14:24 |
| thedead1440 | i installed it still it says locate not found | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:24 |
| kerio | thedead1440: either glocate or add /usr/bin/gnu/ to the PATH | 14:24 |
| thedead1440 | ah done | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# which locate | 14:24 |
| thedead1440 | thanks | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/gnu/locate | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# echo $PATH | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 14:25 |
| infobot | cp /etc/hosts /etc/hosts-maemobackup && echo "188.117.59.202 wiki.maemo.org" >> /etc/hosts; http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 14:25 |
| thedead1440 | so DocScrutinizer05 your maps files are 18395? How did you get them? Mine shows 0 using the locate command | 14:25 |
| thedead1440 | I had clean flashed my device when I bought it using pr1.3 | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: run updatedb first ;-) | 14:26 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: ~# /usr/bin/gnu/locate maps | wc -l | 14:27 |
| thedead1440 | 1531 | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I originally tried to pastebinit, but it failed due to "file too long" - then I thought "phooo, thank God, it probably shows precisely where I've been last 4 years" | 14:27 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that my walks are particularly secrete | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway that's all the tiles not only of maemo-maps but also of marble and mappero | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus backups | 14:29 |
| thedead1440 | http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (yes, I got backups on device) | 14:30 |
| thedead1440 | seems like the on on n900 is nokia maps 2.0 | 14:30 |
| thedead1440 | one* | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mapdownloader/ | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/marble-maps/ | 14:32 |
| thedead1440 | doc the first link is helpful for the nokia maps or is it for 3rd party software? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: first is N8n0 maps | 14:34 |
| kerio | why marble instead of modrana? :( | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check out Jaffa's brilliant contribution! | 14:34 |
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| thedead1440 | yup | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | it links to an ad page for the download site :D | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html | 14:35 |
| thedead1440 | ^^^ ad-ware :D | 14:35 |
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| kerio | thedead1440: it doesn't look like there's any ware at all | 14:36 |
| thedead1440 | but from Jaffa's instructions it seems its the same on S60 hence: http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm | 14:36 |
| thedead1440 | should be the same | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas I'm blind and don't see the link Jaffa refers to in >>Scroll down the above URL<< | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no URL here | 14:39 |
| thedead1440 | there is a hyperlink on the word download DocScrutinizer05 | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, don't see it | 14:41 |
| Skry | ads | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's a roge site | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rogue | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wants make me download shit | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and has nuttin but adds | 14:43 |
| Skry | yup, too bad | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: *please* fix http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c | 14:44 |
| Skry | Is there any other sane solution for offline maps of any sort? | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: a) the link on "download" is nearly invisible | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: b) it points to a site you won't appreciate it does | 14:44 |
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| thedead1440 | Skry: http://symbian.clanteam.com/indexmaps.htm | 14:45 |
| thedead1440 | it has the maps direct from Nokia's servers | 14:45 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Will add it to the TODO lsit | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most ignoring is the requester "download our free software while you read this site" with the options "OK", "ok nevertheless" and "close window and assume OK" | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most annoying* | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, the coffee doesn't kick in | 14:48 |
| Apic | My Condolences. | 14:48 |
| Skry | thedead1440: big thanks | 14:49 |
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| thedead1440 | Skry: brkn found it not me ;) | 14:49 |
| brkn | :D | 14:49 |
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| Skry | well, thanks to brkn too then, can prepare for zombie apocalypse now and shit | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>*handphone-solution* Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<< | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then "william hill casinoclub" KTHNX | 14:51 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: did you try clicking on those ads and exchanging your details with them? Maybe just maybe they give you the download link :p | 14:52 |
| jonwil | ok, so how do we find out which version of Nokia maps the N900 has so we can download from that symbian.clanteam.org page? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bwahahaha | 14:52 |
| thedead1440 | 2.0 | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't figure a coffee withdrawal that's SO bad | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | holy shit nolo does charging! | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: eh? | 14:53 |
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| jonwil | Lets see if the Australia 2.0 maps on that symbian page are any different to the ones I already have local on my phone... | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | The N9 does charging without booting up | 14:54 |
| jonwil | The ones I downloaded with nokia PC suite | 14:54 |
| brkn | jonwil: appreciated | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: well, for whatever definition of "boot up" | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes it does | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: you're not saying I should click on a rogue site to get a useful link, do you? | 14:56 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: did i say so? I don't remember :p | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly after >>*handphone-solution* Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.<< | 14:57 |
| jonwil | ok, well the maps I am downloading are definatly larger than whats on my phone right now | 14:57 |
| thedead1440 | jonwil: is it a huge differential in size? Could you share? | 14:57 |
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| jonwil | This is for Australia only | 14:57 |
| jonwil | I doubt they are going to be significantly newer though | 14:58 |
| jonwil | given when Nokia stopped updating maps inthe 2.0 format | 14:58 |
| thedead1440 | ah so whats on device is version 2.0 but the one which says in () not the newest maps | 14:59 |
| thedead1440 | so on device is v2.0 but slightly older | 14:59 |
| jonwil | no I dont know how whats on device | 14:59 |
| jonwil | I just know that the latest 2.0 maps are going to be a while old since 2.0 is long depreciated | 14:59 |
| thedead1440 | that page has 3 versions for v2.0 | 15:00 |
| jonwil | i.e. they probably stopped making map updates for 2.0 quite a while ago | 15:00 |
| thedead1440 | yup should be | 15:00 |
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| jonwil | anyhow, | 15:01 |
| jonwil | anyhow, I will see what happens if I put those maps on my phone | 15:01 |
| jonwil | oh wait, that "the new maps are bigger" comment, thats probably not accurate | 15:01 |
| jonwil | since its still pulling maps from my phone over SFTP | 15:01 |
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| warfaren | kerio: i reflashed and it works great. typing on the N900 now! | 15:02 |
| kerio | :D | 15:03 |
| kerio | xchat is also pretty good | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ | 15:03 |
| warfaren | alright well im sshing to a server where irssi is running. | 15:03 |
| kerio | i figured :) | 15:04 |
| warfaren | ok. well i did apt-get remove cherry and that seemed to work | 15:04 |
| kerio | yep | 15:04 |
| warfaren | havent done anything else than that though as i went to sleep and woke up now | 15:05 |
| jonwil | That link looks good doc :) | 15:05 |
| kerio | how did you get root access? | 15:05 |
| warfaren | oh yeah by installing openssh server and client via ham | 15:05 |
| kerio | i like you ^___^ | 15:05 |
| warfaren | :) | 15:05 |
| brkn | nice DocScrutinizer05 | 15:05 |
| kerio | set passwords for root and user | 15:05 |
| kerio | and then add a couple of entries in sudoers | 15:06 |
| kerio | (sudoers uses files in sudoers.d and update-sudoers, the actual /etc/sudoers file is autogenerated) | 15:06 |
| jonwil | Going to try the link from that page on my phone and see if the map data displays map data it didn't previously display (i.e. new housing estate where my family lives) | 15:06 |
| warfaren | i read everything again while waiting for the battery to charge and that took over 3 hours. the flashing guide told me to fully charge before flashing | 15:07 |
| kerio | well... you don't necessarily have to do that, but it's still good practice to do so | 15:07 |
| warfaren | oh ok i already added one command into /etc/sudoers | 15:07 |
| kerio | the actual flashing is pretty quick, as you've seen, so you don't really need much battery | 15:07 |
| warfaren | so it would get overwritten on reboot? | 15:08 |
| kerio | warfaren: add your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and run update-sudoers as root | 15:08 |
| kerio | it'll get overwritten as soon as something runs update-sudoers | 15:08 |
| warfaren | its a shellscript i made for flashing the led | 15:08 |
| kerio | usually scripts of packages that ship their own sudoers file | 15:08 |
| warfaren | guess i could just chmod 777 the files tooo | 15:08 |
| kerio | hm, i was thinking more of "user ALL=(ALL) ALL" | 15:08 |
| kerio | and "root ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" | 15:08 |
| warfaren | oh i thought it would be more secure to limit myself and su to root when reaööy needed | 15:09 |
| kerio | su doesn't work | 15:09 |
| warfaren | well with ssh | 15:09 |
| kerio | because of messybox | 15:09 |
| warfaren | :P | 15:09 |
| kerio | that will work, yes, but it's kind of annoying | 15:09 |
| kerio | (and sudo will ask for a password if you don't use it after a timeout) | 15:10 |
| warfaren | yeah i guess. could do alias su=ssh 127.0.0.1 lol | 15:10 |
| warfaren | yeah | 15:10 |
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| warfaren | where do i best put aliases btw? i get kinda afraid to use .profile again | 15:11 |
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| kerio | it depends if you want to eventually use bash or not | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872&page=15 (<-maps3.0) | 15:14 |
| warfaren | oh ok. well i think this shell works too. it was just that history didnt log very many entries that annoyed me kinda | 15:14 |
| kerio | i'm not exactly sure of which files busybox runs, and when | 15:14 |
| warfaren | ok | 15:15 |
| brkn | ok which ones should i backup? @DocScrutinizer05 | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~shrug* | 15:15 |
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| brkn | anyone tried v 00.02.42.122? | 15:15 |
| warfaren | well anyways im gonna go set up stuff in sudoers.d to get myself familiar | 15:15 |
| thedead1440 | brkn: all versions then ;) space is sufficient and they are small | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never downloaded any maps for maemo-maps | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell warfaren about jrtools | 15:16 |
| n3mu5 | newest nmap suck | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody said it has "a lot of useful information" | 15:17 |
| Sicelo | i disagree | 15:17 |
| Sicelo | ?p | 15:18 |
| Sicelo | :p | 15:18 |
| Sicelo | anyway, about maps.. those 'offlin' ones are older than what you get 'online' | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: err wut? I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion | 15:20 |
| Apic | n3mu5: Why? | 15:20 |
| brkn | DocScrutinizer05: could be true but still for backup reasons i prefer slightly older maps than no online maps at all | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: sorry? | 15:21 |
| brkn | "I thought those are the same files, just downloaded at different occasion" > may be not true | 15:21 |
| brkn | could be that tiles are newer but those zips are generated every few months only | 15:22 |
| brkn | to spare them the traffic when ppl update their map packs | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, might be | 15:22 |
| n3mu5 | can not run as usually | 15:22 |
| n3mu5 | always show route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "lo" | 15:23 |
| brkn | thus the statement i prefer having slightly older maps instead of having none at all if they shut down the thing for n9 or n900 | 15:23 |
| brkn | but then again i have no clue what will continue and what not | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: I wasn't aware they pack several tiles into zip for offline download | 15:23 |
| brkn | now you are xD | 15:23 |
| brkn | still i need someone with a N900 "14:15 <brkn> anyone tried v 00.02.42.122?" | 15:24 |
| Sicelo | what is that? | 15:24 |
| brkn | if confirmed working i will get those instead of v1 maps | 15:24 |
| Sicelo | pity N900 doesn't easily show co-ordinates. i would show a place that would cost you a 30km detour with the 'offline' maps | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: I wouldn't even know how to test that | 15:27 |
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| Sicelo | what is v 00.0.2.42.122? | 15:28 |
| Sicelo | maps? or something else | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 15:28 |
| brkn | Sicelo: version of the map data | 15:28 |
| Sicelo | ok. link please. i might be able to see which ones i downloaded. | 15:29 |
| brkn | for which country? | 15:29 |
| Sicelo | i got southern africa | 15:30 |
| brkn | http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.02.42.122/4834.zip | 15:30 |
| brkn | pls backup first, i don't know whether it will mess up maps or not | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | it sucks that Maps doesn't show co-ordinates :( | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | brkn: what other versions are there? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope Sicelo is using BM on a regular schedule ;-) | 15:32 |
| brkn | or try with the official nokia map downloader | 15:33 |
| brkn | and check which version it wants to download | 15:33 |
| Sicelo | i use linux. no nokia map loader here | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody is using such an official downloader, heck if it even exists | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what Sicelosaid | 15:34 |
| brkn | it does, win/mac only | 15:35 |
| jonwil | I am using http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.25.114/3550.zip for Australia | 15:35 |
| brkn | i don't have a n900 else it would already run inside a vm | 15:35 |
| jonwil | If anyone has a link to anything newer for Australia please tell me | 15:35 |
| jonwil | also do we know if the maps Nokia Maps uses are raster tiles downloaded from some server or if they are vector map data rendered on the phone? I suspect the latter | 15:36 |
| Sicelo | brkn: so what do you need the maps for then? :-/ | 15:36 |
| brkn | jonwil: http://static.s2g.gate5.de/map5/maploaderzip-00.02.42.122/4850.zip | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: raster afaik | 15:36 |
| jonwil | So that's the latest Australian maps that are known to exist? | 15:36 |
| Apic | Anybody got Germany? | 15:36 |
| brkn | Sicelo: backup up all N9 + N900 related stuff | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *own* Germany | 15:36 |
| Apic | B-) | 15:36 |
| Apic | Quite cheap, that Country, yes. =) | 15:37 |
| brkn | repos, sdk, scratchbox, firmwares everything | 15:37 |
| brkn | atm 1tb | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you could argue Germany got me, and there's no remedy | 15:37 |
| Apic | I'll look for a Map-Loader in the Program Manager | 15:37 |
| Apic | I could, true. | 15:37 |
| Apic | But I do not bother ATM. | 15:37 |
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| Apic | Hi Kilroo | 15:38 |
| brkn | windows maploader is here: http://download.cnet.com/Nokia-Map-Loader/3000-20432_4-10972353.html | 15:38 |
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| brkn | _below_ the green button (direct download link) | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's "windows"? | 15:39 |
| Apic | The Plural of Window. | 15:39 |
| jonwil | god I hate download.com these days, they try to force crappy spyware on you whenever you download something | 15:41 |
| brkn | @ DocScrutinizer05: that ugly thing running in vms to scare little children | 15:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has a glance out his kitchen window | 15:41 | |
| jonwil | If you miss any of the "dont install this | 15:41 |
| jonwil | "dont install this" buttons you can end up with who knows what | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: it been VMS before Bill Gates hired the crew and named it WNT | 15:42 |
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| Apic | Acknowledged. | 15:42 |
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| jonwil | ok, so I know that if I have no pre-cached maps at all Nokia Maps will download a bunch of files and in so doing display the location I care about (the one that it didn't display in the past) | 15:42 |
| jonwil | the new housing estate | 15:42 |
| jonwil | So the secret then is just to find the newest set of downloadable zip for maps so that I can have as much pre-cached as possible | 15:43 |
| Apic | But there really ought to exist a Map-Loader in the Program Manager, oughtn't there? | 15:43 |
| jonwil | and not have to have maps download so much over 3G when I use it (either next time I am on holidays to see the family or around my own city) | 15:43 |
| jonwil | Going to try the map-loader from cnet | 15:43 |
| jonwil | and see what that wants to pull | 15:44 |
| jonwil | and also try the 00.02.42.122 link from before | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | billyboy followed an old pun with that scheme, probably started in Odyssey2001 with a computer named HAL9000 (IBM--) | 15:44 |
| Apic | Hm, okay, just checked, seems there really is not. B-( | 15:44 |
| Apic | Does the Windows-MapLoader work well in Wine? | 15:45 |
| brkn | Apic: no clue, it needs the nokia connectivity suite (just installed in a clean vm) | 15:45 |
| brkn | what a mess | 15:45 |
| Apic | ic | 15:46 |
| Apic | True | 15:46 |
| Apic | Got link for Suite handy? | 15:46 |
| Apic | I'll try completely WINE | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | the number on the side of the SIM | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to get it from the modem? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | I got a replacement sim card and they forgot to activate it | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a production serial number | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | and I cut it into a microSIM | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohlol | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think they need that number usually | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | they do | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what they need is the IMSI | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's not the first time | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IMSI is available via network monitor for example, or via pnatd | 15:49 |
| brkn | oh look, it ain't working | 15:49 |
| brkn | http://i.imgur.com/lBv1O.png | 15:49 |
| brkn | nokia wtf | 15:49 |
| brkn | expect the unexpected | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anticipated worse ;-P | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like, it jumping outa your VM and nuke your bootsector | 15:50 |
| brkn | oh yeah waiting for phone, now how to simulate a n900 | 15:50 |
| brkn | lol | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia Suite is megacrap | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard | 15:51 |
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| jonwil | At least Nokia doesn't try and make you pay for Nokia Suite | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we still are searching globally for the guy responsible that Nokia only supports windows for the PC suite needed for a *linux* phone | 15:53 |
| brkn | jonwil: any success with the map loader? | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to shoot him with warm owl shit | 15:53 |
| warfaren | kerio: whats the point of putting a password on user? | 15:54 |
| kerio | warfaren: to put a password to sudo | 15:54 |
| jonwil | ok, so I run map loader, it says "new version of map loader available" then "an unexpected error occurred" | 15:54 |
| jonwil | Now it says I need to connect my phone | 15:54 |
| warfaren | i see. but it would still auto login when i power on the phone? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:55 |
| warfaren | alright | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly you should read ~jrtools | 15:55 |
| warfaren | i read the link the bot pmed me | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it actually has some nice tweaks | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (shameless self-advertising) | 15:56 |
| jonwil | ok, now I am in PC Suite mode and its doing its thing | 15:56 |
| warfaren | :p | 15:56 |
| jonwil | nope, still sitting on "waiting for phone" | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bwahaha | 15:57 |
| brkn | *fg | 15:57 |
| warfaren | kerio: what was that program you recommended over qtirreco again? | 15:57 |
| kerio | pierogi | 15:57 |
| warfaren | right thanks | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you activated "PC Suite mode" on that N900 requester popping up? | 15:58 |
| jonwil | I tried both "PC Suite" and "Mass Storage" | 15:58 |
| jonwil | still playing with things | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: running Nokia shuite (err -u) natively? | 15:59 |
| Apic | I'm still deploying WINE | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: I think it might have issues with USB access otherwise | 16:00 |
| Apic | Not that easy on a 64-Bit-Box ^.^ | 16:00 |
| brkn | jonwil: please keep DocScrutinizer05 posted as i need to run | 16:00 |
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| jonwil | ok, so I have my phone connected in PC Suite mode | 16:00 |
| jonwil | now loading nokia map loader | 16:00 |
| jonwil | ok, so it picked up my phone' | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you've read that blogpost and tmo thread I posted? | 16:02 |
| jonwil | but its telling me it wont download any maps since it cant find a "maps drive" | 16:02 |
| Apic | Huh? | 16:02 |
| jonwil | I dont know | 16:02 |
| Apic | Maybe a dot-hidden Dir on MyDocs? | 16:02 |
| jonwil | What I will do now is to have Nokia Suite download the Australian maps to my phone | 16:02 |
| Apic | *nod* | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ | 16:03 |
| Apic | I'll get my USB-Cable to do that too | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872&page=15 | 16:03 |
| Apic | Wow, nice | 16:03 |
| jonwil | its now doing that (downloading the maps via Nokia Suite) which will give my phone a proper working set of maps | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or so you hope | 16:03 |
| jonwil | then I can see if Nokia Maps Downloader will A.Pick up my phone as valid or not and B.Offer any maps for download beyond what PC Suite has picked up | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now you lost me | 16:04 |
| jonwil | ok, what I am running right now is the Nokia PC Suite app that came with the phone | 16:05 |
| Apic | The map files are normally stored under » /home/user/cities/diskcache «. | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | so brkn is trying to backup this stuff for the community? | 16:05 |
| jonwil | or rather the latest version of that | 16:05 |
| jonwil | its currently downloading "Australia" to my phone | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought the whole purpose of this emterprise was to watch (via wireshark) which maps it actually downloads in Nokiasuite map downloader | 16:05 |
| jonwil | Once thats done, I will try the standalone Nokia Maps Downloader again and see what happens | 16:05 |
| jonwil | The purpose for me is to get the most up-to-date Australian maps possible onto my phone :) | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: yep | 16:06 |
| Sicelo | yeah.. seems the objective isn't too clear at allo :P | 16:06 |
| Sicelo | ok | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: thanks for letting us know. Alas that's completely useless info for us | 16:07 |
| jonwil | So the goal for you guys is to find the actual zip files for the latest maps that come in zip form? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to backup it | 16:08 |
| jonwil | ok | 16:08 |
| jonwil | well I cant really help with that :P | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what did you think we're talking about? How we make you update your local card cache? | 16:09 |
| jonwil | ok, so I have whatever maps PC Suite pulled | 16:09 |
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| jonwil | but the standalone map loader wont pick up my phone or offer to download any maps | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks again, again no useful info | 16:10 |
| jonwil | Let me wireshark PC Suite and see what maps it wants to pull | 16:10 |
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| Sicelo | lol, i don't blame jonwil at all. brkn wasn't exactly straightforward about the purpose behind all this. | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, you actually can help :-o | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ack | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: sorry | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, is there a way to verify if the number is the same as the one I found? | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | (found the card that you pop the sim off, but I'm not sure it's the same one | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | none I know of, since there's one "chip" batch number (embossed) identical for each 10 cards afaik, and occasionally another one the carrier printed on card, and that one is to carrier's liking | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | so how can I trigger a PIN2 request? | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often it might be the IMSI though | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check google for GSM codes | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or wait a minute | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php#SIM even | 16:19 |
| jonwil | ok, so I downloaded the maps for Aruba | 16:19 |
| jonwil | no wait for Cayman Islands | 16:19 |
| jonwil | and it pulled static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.29.100/NorthCentralAmerica.zip | 16:19 |
| jonwil | then static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.29.100/18.zip | 16:20 |
| qwazix | jonwil, map loader needs usb mass storage mode for the N900 to work | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: >> * * 042 * AltePIN2 * NeuePIN2 * NeuePIN2 # << change old PIN2 to new one | 16:20 |
| qwazix | with the valif qf file in root | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: pnatd | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, actually the N9 (surprisingly) supports them | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: (if pnatd supports this code) | 16:21 |
| qwazix | qf gets created with first run of maps | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | the code change for PIN2 worked, PIN1 not so much | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | I guess I found it | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | time to call them | 16:21 |
| n3mu5 | which better n900 or n9?? | 16:21 |
| qwazix | n3mu5: what's your usage? | 16:22 |
| jonwil | ok, so the answer seems to be that I have version 00.01.29.100 of the Cayman Islands maps on my phone | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: hi! | 16:22 |
| jonwil | downloaded from those 2 URLs | 16:22 |
| n3mu5 | pentesting mobile?? :D | 16:22 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05: hi | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: sorry, no ZNC update for now | 16:22 |
| qwazix | no problem, just thought to ask in case it was easy | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: thanks, I'll forward that to brkn | 16:23 |
| jonwil | The question that needs to be answered is whether there are any newer maps for Cayman Islands (or in fact any other country) that are N900 compatible and if there are how we get then downloaded. | 16:23 |
| jonwil | ok, I have my phone connected in mass-storage mode | 16:24 |
| qwazix | jonwil, got a N9 or symbian? | 16:24 |
| jonwil | nope, just a N900 | 16:24 |
| jonwil | I have the .qf file in the mydocs location | 16:25 |
| jonwil | where it should be | 16:25 |
| qwazix | ok tell me how to check version of map data and I'll tell you the version my N9 downloads | 16:25 |
| jonwil | ok, so "Nokia Map Loader version 3.0.28.0" still wont find my phone | 16:26 |
| qwazix | btw, I copied the cities folder from my 5800 to the N900 and it worked (if you open .qf, it poses as s60) | 16:26 |
| qwazix | jonwil, happened to me once too, but generally that's how I get maps on the N900 | 16:26 |
| qwazix | (map loader and mass storage, that is) | 16:27 |
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| qwazix | But I think I have an older map loader... | 16:27 |
| qwazix | let me check | 16:28 |
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| jonwil | All I want is the latest maps on my phone :) | 16:31 |
| jonwil | ok, so my N900 is showing up via mass storage (good) | 16:32 |
| jonwil | Now it says "you have connected at least one phone in Mass Storage mode, reconnect it in PC Suite mode" | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: eventually you might not be able to get *any* maps for your phone, at least from nokia | 16:32 |
| Sicelo | i have wireshark on my N900, and have moved maps away from default directory. | 16:33 |
| jonwil | ok, so in PC Suite mode it does nothing | 16:33 |
| Sicelo | maps seems to be opening a connection to 131.228.16.119 | 16:33 |
| jonwil | sits there on "waiting for phone" | 16:33 |
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| Sicelo | i don't know how to get a 'link' :-/ | 16:34 |
| jonwil | so it seems like I just cant get Nokia Map Loader to pick up my N900 at all :( | 16:34 |
| qwazix | I found a map loader v1, which works only with mass storage | 16:35 |
| qwazix | so maybe it works better with N900 | 16:35 |
| qwazix | I'll upload it | 16:35 |
| jonwil | please do | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | how did brkn get those links he was posting? | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he followed http://www.blog.d-11.de/2011/03/22/nokia-ovi-maps-3-0-0-1-25-114-direct-downloadlinks-und-downloadscript-for-maemo-n900-without-using-map-loader/ | 16:38 |
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| qwazix | play.qwazix.com/map_loaders | 16:38 |
| jonwil | which of those 2 exe files do I want? | 16:39 |
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| qwazix | The 1.0 is older | 16:42 |
| Apic | Old 1.0 is old. | 16:42 |
| qwazix | the other I think it should be the latest before they rolled map loading into ovi suite | 16:42 |
| jonwil | I ran the 1.0 and all it did was crash, no joy getting it ti work on my W7 | 16:42 |
| jonwil | trying the other one | 16:42 |
| qwazix | let me try it | 16:42 |
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| xes_ | ..sorry i think i have lost some lines... | 16:44 |
| xes_ | anyone have tried http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maps-Navigation-and-GPS/Map-Series-00-01-29-100/m-p/1654208 | 16:44 |
| xes_ | ? | 16:44 |
| qwazix | yeah, doesn't work on W7, sorry. | 16:44 |
| jonwil | so it looks like the only map loader that will work on W7 is whatever is in the version of PC Suite that I have here | 16:45 |
| jonwil | which means I cant get any maps via maploader other than what its already pulled | 16:45 |
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| xes_ | ...but for the N900 which is the latest version of maps? | 16:46 |
| jonwil | Thats the thing we dont know | 16:46 |
| jonwil | PC Suite pulled 00.01.29.100 maps | 16:48 |
| jonwil | and we have no idea if newer maps exist or not | 16:48 |
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| jonwil | or at least I dont | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: at least you confirm 00.01.29.100 to work for you? | 16:50 |
| qwazix | jonwil did you try the second download? | 16:50 |
| jonwil | that one (which PC Suite downloaded) works | 16:51 |
| jonwil | both MapLoaderSetup1.0.w7.02.exe and Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe seem to cause crashes on W7 | 16:51 |
| jonwil | oh wait | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try friggin compatibility mode maybe (I heard there should be such thing on windoze) | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc Nokia suite and other Nokia stuff had issues even with Vista | 16:53 |
| qwazix | Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe doesn't crash for me (answer no to the update request) | 16:57 |
| qwazix | but doesn't detect N900 | 16:57 |
| jonwil | yeah its not detecting N900 for me either in PC Suite mode or Mass Storage mode | 16:57 |
| qwazix | it specifically says that it works with any drive provided that it was used when the maps app was used at least once | 16:58 |
| qwazix | let me check what is the cities/ tree on symbian | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably old "libusb.dll" orwhatsitcalled | 16:59 |
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| jonwil | ok, so we need to find out how to get the 3.0.28.0 version of Nokia Maps to pick up the N900... | 17:02 |
| jonwil | Nokia Map Loader that is | 17:02 |
| jonwil | assuming its possible to get it to do that | 17:02 |
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| qwazix | jonwil, rename .qf to just qf and try maploader again | 17:03 |
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| jonwil | nope, its still saying "you have connected at least one phone without a valid maps drive" | 17:04 |
| Sicelo | i can confirm N900 to be connecting to same host as on that page, | 17:05 |
| qwazix | can you provide a link to the map loader you're using? | 17:05 |
| Sicelo | there was a dns query for download.linux.s2g.gate5.de | 17:05 |
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| Sicelo | also mos.svc.ovi.com.nsatc.net | 17:06 |
| jonwil | I am using the Nokia_Map_Loader_Setup.en.exe posted earlier | 17:06 |
| qwazix | hmm just a minute then | 17:07 |
| jonwil | It wont recognize my phone at all in any USB mode even after renaming the .qf file | 17:07 |
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| kerio | is there an equivalent of strace for windows? | 17:08 |
| Sicelo | N900 seems to obfuscate the http requests for maps, | 17:08 |
| Sicelo | GET /vt?0102000400180400010000001A0400150000001B04006400000048040001000000490400030000004A040012000000700100B47140005F9C1B91EFF328B18C021CCBDF2780173E164B3AE7DA53C401E78552FD97A4D2F0DA37F637D928BF16DEE29EE0B8D4EB3B6DAC1DD536F9C | 17:08 |
| kerio | at least for open() calls | 17:08 |
| qwazix | do you have the cities/diskcache/voices folder? | 17:08 |
| jonwil | no I dont | 17:08 |
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| jonwil | ok, I do now and no dice | 17:09 |
| qwazix | yeaaaay | 17:11 |
| qwazix | I'm in. | 17:11 |
| Sicelo | jonwil: can't you get maps with Ovi suite alone? | 17:11 |
| qwazix | so, let me upload some things | 17:11 |
| jonwil | I can but I dont know if its pulling the right maps | 17:11 |
| Sicelo | hmm, | 17:11 |
| jonwil | I mean if there is a way to get the map downloader program to pull any newer maps than what Ovi pulled | 17:11 |
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| Sicelo | i would expect them to pull same versions :-/ | 17:12 |
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| Sicelo | surely they only know what's latest by requesting info fom the servers first | 17:13 |
| xes_ | this was the list of the latest maps i found for the n900 some time ago: | 17:15 |
| xes_ | http://ge.tt/7gWJCpU/v/0 | 17:15 |
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| jonwil | ok, now I got something to work | 17:17 |
| jonwil | well detect the phone anyway | 17:17 |
| qwazix | jonwil, go to the link I gave you before | 17:17 |
| jonwil | it now says "Connection to the map server has been interrupted" | 17:17 |
| qwazix | extract flashdrive.zip in the root of a flash drive | 17:17 |
| jonwil | which link? | 17:18 |
| jonwil | I dont see a link from you... | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes_: thanks, useful. But - if you know me you know I can't help but bitching - could you pretty please use another pastebin, this one loads metric shittons of stuff I don't want | 17:18 |
| qwazix | and use the NokiaMaploaderSetup_ENU.exe if your maploader doesn't work (not yet finished uploading) | 17:18 |
| jonwil | oh wait that other link | 17:18 |
| qwazix | play.qwazix.com/map_loaders | 17:18 |
| qwazix | I managed to get in map loader and see list of maps with just a flash drive plugged in | 17:19 |
| qwazix | with that set of files on win7x64 | 17:19 |
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| jonwil | ok, will try nokiamaploadersetup_enu.exe once its up | 17:20 |
| jonwil | Put the files onto the phone | 17:21 |
| qwazix | upload finished | 17:22 |
| jonwil | ok | 17:22 |
| qwazix | try a usb drive (I fear it gets confused with the two devices N900 shows up as) | 17:23 |
| jonwil | ok, so I will try that map loader with the contents of "Flashdrive.zip" in the root of my MyDocs partition | 17:23 |
| qwazix | (or remove your sd if you have one in N900) | 17:23 |
| qwazix | so that it shows up as 1 thing | 17:23 |
| jonwil | ok, now its WORKING :) | 17:26 |
| jonwil | "Updating Phone Information" | 17:26 |
| jonwil | "Current Phone: Nokia N900" | 17:26 |
| jonwil | ok, its downloading | 17:27 |
| jonwil | using wireshark to see just what it grabs | 17:27 |
| xes_ | ..and...what is downloading? | 17:28 |
| jonwil | ok, looks like its pulling the same 00.01.29.100 version as before | 17:29 |
| jonwil | so it looks like there is no officially supported way to get maps newer than that on a Nokia N900 | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | what's age of 00.01.29.100? | 17:29 |
| jonwil | no idea | 17:30 |
| xes_ | april 2009... :( | 17:30 |
| qwazix | jonwil, I plugged a N95 to the pc and saw that qf didn't have a dot, renamed my .qf to qf, created the tree cities/diskcache/voices and the old map loader passed the "no phone found" msg and then couldn't find maps on the net | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | I've gotten newer maps than that in the Maps app itself | 17:31 |
| qwazix | so I downloaded the first nokia map loader result from google and got in | 17:31 |
| jonwil | yes the maps app internally will download new map data | 17:31 |
| qwazix | the numbered folders in the cities folder were created by the program | 17:31 |
| jonwil | but the 00.01.29.100 version seems to be the latest you can get it to download for offline use | 17:31 |
| jonwil | on a N900 | 17:31 |
| jonwil | and any links to newer offline zips may not be intended for the N900 and may not in fact work | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | it"s annoying that the Maps app doesn't check for newer maps online too | 17:32 |
| jonwil | ok, so I now have Australian maps version 00.01.29.100 on my phone | 17:35 |
| jonwil | Lets see what happens if I visit somewhere newish | 17:35 |
| * ShadowJK ponders | 17:38 | |
| jonwil | ok, loading maps now | 17:39 |
| jonwil | ok, my area of town (really old part) displays good | 17:40 |
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| jonwil | and yep, its picking up the new bit | 17:41 |
| jonwil | so I am happy | 17:41 |
| jonwil | and will stop using up all my bandwidth downloading yet more maps :) | 17:42 |
| jonwil | Now back to reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages to think of something else to reverse engineer | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | so maploader gave you new maps? | 17:42 |
| jonwil | maploader gave me 00.01.29.100 | 17:43 |
| jonwil | same as what PC Suite gave me | 17:43 |
| jonwil | Exactly how the maps on my phone got newer area (possibly by Maps app on phone downloading directly) I dont know | 17:43 |
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| ShadowJK | or then the maps loaded have stupid timestamp | 17:45 |
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| xes | http://static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/maploaderzip-00.01.29.100/catalog-00.01.29.100.xml | 18:16 |
| xes | ...all the country id for direct wget.. | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | elaborate :) | 18:22 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, and unzip to cities/ ? | 18:22 |
| xes | yessss | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm... do those numbers change with newer maps.. | 18:25 |
| xes | they change... but usually are composed with a region+id..so while some version considers reg+id, other only the id | 18:26 |
| xes | for example...austria 11215 or only 215 | 18:27 |
| jonwil | so is there or is there not maps for the N900 newer than 00.01.29.100? | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | I meant tne 00.01.29.100 number, if that changes | 18:28 |
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| xes | jonwill: still searching, but thereis some thread talking about a versioning system non aligned with a timeline | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: that's the 1 million dollar question, and particularly: how and to what will this change? | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since http://static.maploader.maps.svc.ovi.com/map5/ is not list-able | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so aiui we're all guessing and trying random approaches to find alternatives that are newer and also work for N900 | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be mistaken though, since I didn't do anything like that | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <brkn> ok those are the versions now for N900: 0.0.13h, 00.01.22.103, 00.01.29.100, 00.02.42.122 | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^FYI | 19:05 |
| * thedead1440 thinks DocScrutinizer05 should now == parrot :p | 19:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more feeling like a unix cmdline filter | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | fyi, the files inside the 00.01.29.100 zip for Finland are dated november 2012 | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | xes: do you know if you can just unzip these ontop of existing cities/ contents? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find / -exec 'cat {};' | docscrutinizer | ircer | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | 2013-01-06 19:14:07 (7,51 MB/s) - `220.zip' saved [102104330/102104330] | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | Someone has bumped the bandwidth on the "basic internet" service :) | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | webserver timestamp was yesterday on those .zips | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | Last time I asked, it was 200M (or 300?) shared by 1000 users, and some per-user limits/throttles | 19:20 |
| brkn | if it's too slow - that's me xD | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. 7.51,, it's 100M physical link.. the missing 2.5 might be the other ppl in the house watching eurosport on iptv | 19:21 |
| brkn | no that's me with 200 mbit on nokia servers | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 19:22 |
| brkn | i am sry, i wasn't aware other users could potentially want some files too :D | 19:23 |
| * ShadowJK should probably call and complain that he's getting too fast interwebs | 19:23 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [security warning!] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88535 | 19:46 |
| kerio | note that the fix in that thread isn't officially endorsed by cssu | 19:46 |
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| Apic | cya all | 23:11 |
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| wirr | hi guys... forget everything i've said about the sandisk 32 uhs-1 card i've reported the last few days. i've massively extended the tests and was able to reproduce the transmission errors in every possible scenario, even recreating the original partition table using fat filesystem under stock kernel pr1.3... | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | wirr: toldya :P | 23:36 |
| wirr | freemangordon, yes you - and others - did :-) | 23:36 |
| wirr | but what the heck, i've learned a little something bout flash memory | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | which worths the money you've paid for a broken card :) | 23:37 |
| wirr | i'm getting a replacement card next week. so we'll see if it's a general incompatibility with this model or just a defective one... | 23:37 |
| wirr | it's under warranty :-D | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | I've seen hints that omap hsmmc can possible run without having a datatimeout at all... but I have a feeling that this is a bad idea :-) | 23:39 |
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| wirr | one thing i'm still wondering: the omap mmc controller is supposed to be single channel and has a hardcoded block size of 1024b. what does this mean in relation to filesystem blocksize and striping? aren't _all_ modern cards depending on multi-plane, multi-channel block writes of n times 4k? | 23:40 |
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| ShadowJK | I think it has more to do with what flies across the MMC bus (on the physical pins of the card) | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | Or then it has to do with what flies across the physical wires between hsmmc and ram | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | man, this flashbench thing is giving me totally whack results | 23:54 |
| wirr | in what sense? to me it proved to be quite reliable... whenever it jumps over a boundary you're supposed to see that in increased delta times... | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | Trying to find open # AU | 23:55 |
| wirr | hmm. can't help you there :( | 23:56 |
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