IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-12-29

GadgetoidThink I've shipped stuff to deutschland before00:00
DocScrutinizer05you should /query me for details00:00
GadgetoidWire transfer needs IBAN/BIC iirc00:00
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* Gadgetoid literally just opened up the N900 package and wrapped it in xmas paper...01:28
GadgetoidWas ist "merry christmas" auf deutsch?01:30
GadgetoidFroehliche Weinachten?01:31
DocScrutinizer05Frohe Weihnachten!; Fröhliche Weihnachten!01:32
GadgetoidI just wrote Frohe Weihnachten, Schmusebarchen01:33
GadgetoidIf customs get their hands on it, they'll have to peel through 2 layers of soppy christmas01:39
kerio"customs"? wtf01:43
uncloudedhas anyone seen weird charging problems?  my N900 now only charges ( slowly) from real USB ports, no longer from the wall charger01:44
uncloudedand in what might be related, once it is charged, the LED stays green unless the backlight is on01:45
keriothe usb port could be failing01:46
uncloudedand it shows 100% charge until it runs out suddenly01:46
keriohuh, weird01:46
keriohave you installed anything strange?01:46
Gadgetoidkerio: Those people at the border who like to open your post and tax it arbitrarily01:47
kerioGadgetoid: it's intra-EU mail01:47
uncloudednot particularly, although in what might have been a bad idea, I tried the elektranox charging script at
Gadgetoidkerio: don't spoil my fun!01:48
unclouded( from Debian of course, not Maemo)01:48
keriounclouded: to be safe from all weirdness, perform a01:49
infoboti heard n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers.01:49
kerio(if your backup battery is dead you can just remove the main battery for a bit)01:50
uncloudednice, thanks.  from which state though?  presumably not while running Maemo?01:51
keriohm, i dunno01:51
uncloudedwould the u-boot menu be a good place?01:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: from which state?01:51
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keriounclouded: i suppose so01:53
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uncloudedI didn't realise that there was a backup battery01:59
keriovery few people realize that, because they've mostly all failed so they do nothing at this point02:00
kerioit's the reason you probably have to set the clock every time you remove the battery for more than two seconds02:01
ManoftheSeabackup battery, the coin-cell?02:01
ManoftheSeadoesn't work?02:01
DocScrutinizer05running that very lousy charger script will not cause any of the problems unclouded described02:01
keriofails after about a year02:01
uncloudedah, mine has failed then.  I have to set the clock02:01
keriounclouded: then there's no reason you should have any residual weirdness after removing the battery and waiting a bit02:02
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uncloudedstill no joy.  I stupidly left the USB cable in while I removed the battery so I'll try again without power from the USB cable02:03
MrPinguHi peepz!02:03
keriostill, the fuel gauge issue is probably a software problem02:04
uncloudedthis whole charger seems software based :~(02:04
keriounclouded: what did you do to the software?02:04
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uncloudednothing.  I have u-boot.  I have tried kernel-power but I always let it run stock lately02:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: UK pretends to be EU, but in fact they try to stay as far away from real EU as they could02:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: heh, are you still reading through the backscroll?02:06
DocScrutinizer05do they have EURO? nope!02:06
DocScrutinizer05they do their own thing, in more than just currency02:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm not all sure about customs02:06
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DocScrutinizer05but I know that stuff you can buy freely in UK will bring you troublw with customs and possibly a time in prison when you import it to true EU02:07
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DocScrutinizer05see e.g
ManoftheSeaMilitary compasses?02:10
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uncloudedthis could be a reflash job.  slightly bizarre that it will charge when plugged in to a computer but not when plugged in to the wall02:13
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kerioit could be a broken wallcharger02:14
kerioalso, the last n900 microusb i broke stopped charging through the wallcharger first02:15
DocScrutinizer05yeah, broken plug or charger very likely. Or you messed so terribly with bme and friends, that it doesn't work anymore with wallcharger02:19
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DocScrutinizer05couldn't see how the latter would work02:20
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uncloudedthe wallcharger seems ok since it charges other phones.  I hope it's not the port02:20
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DocScrutinizer05that doesn't mean much, when D+/- is broken on the charger02:20
uncloudedah true, let me try another wall charger then02:21
uncloudedhmm.  the second wall charger doesn't charge it either, even though it used to and of course still charges other phones02:22
kerioremember to use one with at least 1A and with a properly shorted data02:22
uncloudedboth of these wall chargers used to charge the N90002:23
uncloudedI've tried three cables too, all the same02:23
DocScrutinizer05could you do a few tests?02:24
uncloudedsure thing02:24
DocScrutinizer05stop bme02:24
DocScrutinizer05~# stop bme;02:24
ShadowJKthe USB might work because you've used it less, and as a result it puts more pressure on it due to being tighter?02:24
uncloudedok, bme stopped02:25
DocScrutinizer05start bme02:25
uncloudedI still have hald-addon-bme though.  is that ok?02:25
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter02:26
uncloudedShadowJK, it's the same cable.  it works when plugged in to a laptop but not when plugged in to a wall charger02:26
DocScrutinizer05I don't know of any wallcharger that has shorted D+- by default02:26
ShadowJKweird, this charger worked before?02:26
uncloudedeven without bme running the battery icon is animating as if it were charging02:27
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kerio"plugged in to a wall charger" what?02:27
DocScrutinizer05I suspect you installed (parts of) jrbme aka pali's bme replacement02:27
ShadowJKsome do. Nokia is shipping that by default now for new phones with musb charging02:27
uncloudedstill plugged in to a laptop, which is the only way it will charge at the moment02:28
uncloudedhow would I find out?02:28
DocScrutinizer05there are some sys/ nodes that will tell quite a bit02:28
kerioShadowJK: nokia is shipping what?02:28
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: makes a lot of sense. charger isn't useless if you kill the cable02:29
SpeedEvilbut raises the unfortunate issue of cable quality02:29
ShadowJKwallcharger with USB port02:29
keriodammit, that's really good02:29
keriolonger usb cable too?02:29
ShadowJKyeah, I've got tons of cables that struggle to push even 300mA02:30
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: can you help me out for sysnode that shows D+- short aka fastcharger-detected?02:30
ShadowJKshort ones too02:30
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ShadowJKoh darn.. let me check charge script02:31
* DocScrutinizer05 eventually should write up a "guide to /sys/"02:31
ShadowJKcat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger02:32
uncloudedit say: 002:32
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: ^^^02:32
uncloudedshall I try in the wall tooy02:32
DocScrutinizer05that means there's no D+- short detected02:32
kerioShadowJK: can one buy a usb wallcharger?02:32
ShadowJKyeah why not02:33
kerioi mean the one from nokia02:33
uncloudedsorry, it's plugged in to the laptop.  I'll try again when plugged in to the wall02:33
ShadowJKSomeone claimed the other day that all androids are d+/d- short for charging...02:34
uncloudedwhen plugged in to the wall it say: 102:34
ShadowJKunclouded: that's good02:34
uncloudedalthough "mA" says "0" even though it said "500" when plugged in to the computer02:34
ShadowJKyes, that's normal. it means there's no limit02:35
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus02:35
DocScrutinizer05says "1" when 5V on USB02:35
uncloudedit says "1"02:35
DocScrutinizer05then if you had proper bme and working kernel I2C interface, it should charge02:36
ShadowJKi lent out my n900 charger the other day.. toa HTC user.. worked fine :)02:36
uncloudedhow can I tell if I'm using stock bme or not?02:37
keriounclouded: did you install experimental software made by pali?02:37
uncloudedI did install u-boot-flasher and u-boot-tools02:38
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5102:38
uncloudednothing else I don't think02:38
DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 103364 2010-02-08 13:13 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5102:38
uncloudedNokia-N900:~# ls -l /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5102:39
unclouded-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       103364 Feb  9  2010 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5102:39
DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't have problems with charging02:39
DocScrutinizer05lsmod |grep bq02:40
uncloudednothing, although I did copy that module to my Debian chroot02:40
uncloudedbut it's not available to Maemo02:40
DocScrutinizer05uname -a02:41
uncloudedLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown02:41
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /usr/sbin/ke-recv02:42
unclouded-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        66104 Nov 26  2009 /usr/sbin/ke-recv02:42
DocScrutinizer05looks too old to cause any trouble02:42
DocScrutinizer05what's your problem precisely?02:42
uncloudedit charges very slowly connected to a PC, not at all from the wall (even though it used to) and the fuel guage shows full until it suddenly runs out and the LED is green all the time when the display is off02:44
uncloudedsuggesting BatteryFull I suppose02:45
DocScrutinizer05showing green even when unplugged?02:45
DocScrutinizer05what makes you think it charges slowly?02:46
uncloudedit takes about 8 hours to charge from the PC.  it used to charge from this port in about an hour.  I think this port might even support high current charging although maybe I remember incorrectly02:47
DocScrutinizer05what means "it takes..."02:48
DocScrutinizer05you didn't answer my question, you defined 'slowly'02:50
uncloudedonce the N900 has run out of battery it takes about 8 hours of charging on the PC USB port before it thinks the battery is full02:50
DocScrutinizer05what means "it thinks..."?02:50
kerioif i had to bet, i'd bet on your musb port being brok :(02:50
uncloudedah, I see.  so it's normal for it to take 8 hours?  only it used to charge much faster on this same PC02:50
DocScrutinizer05you see what?02:51
uncloudeda message on screen say "charging complete" or something similar and the LED goes green02:51
kerioi'd say it should take a bit more than half an hour, with the wallcharger02:51
kerioactually no, more like an hour02:51
ShadowJKtwo hours on wall, maybe 4 on USB?02:52
DocScrutinizer05no, it's not normal "it takes" 8h. Battery is charged ~80% after a tad more than 1h on fastcharger, after 2.5h the indicator light goes from yellow flashing to green steady. After another 30min it actually stops charging02:52
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DocScrutinizer05when your indicator light goes green after 8h that doesn't mean it's charging slowly, that first instance only means your indicator light goes green way too late02:54
uncloudedah, right.  so the battery might have been overcharged?02:55
DocScrutinizer05you say it also shows a notifier same moment the LED goes green?02:55
DocScrutinizer05nah, the battery won't overcharge02:55
DocScrutinizer05hardware forbids02:55
uncloudedI just had a look through every installed package and there's nothing experimental, only rootsh, rsync, vim and so on02:56
DocScrutinizer05you say it also shows a notifier same moment the LED goes green?02:56
Daftnoobiehey followed the wiki, wonderin about hostmode and the alfa card, or any external wifi card for that matter....can anyone advise?02:56
ShadowJKi wonder how looks on that device02:56
DocScrutinizer05well, that's my next suggestion02:57
uncloudedI believe so.  I can't remember for sure if the message and the LED happened at the same time or not02:57
DocScrutinizer05though I'm pretty sure it's batter statusbar applet02:57
uncloudedwhere would that be located?02:57
DocScrutinizer05not sure, ask pali or freemangordon02:57
uncloudedah, so the battery might be charging just fine even from the wall but the status bar doesn't indicate that?02:57
DocScrutinizer05sth like that02:58
uncloudedfind / will be quicker02:58
DocScrutinizer05get as ShadowJK suggested02:58
ShadowJKdo you have wget installed?02:58
ShadowJK1and rootsh?02:59
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK:  seems he already has i2ctools02:59
DocScrutinizer05he ran my POC charger script03:00
kerioproof-of-concept or piece-of-crap?03:00
DocScrutinizer05up to you03:00
ShadowJKunfortunately i never made it check for system i2ctools03:00
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys bq03:01
uncloudedI have "i2cset" and i2cget03:01
infobotFactoid search of 'bq' by key (19 of 36): airport abq ;; airport bqk ;; airport bqn ;; airport dbq ;; airport lbq ;; bbq ;; bq27k-detail ;; bqs ;; cbq ;; cbq.init ;; gnu/linux bbq project ;; gnubbq ;; html <bq clear> ;; html <bq nowrap> ;; html <bq> ;; jargon bqs ;; jbq ;; jobqueue  ;; kbquery.03:01
ShadowJKunclouded: as root, wget
ShadowJKtar -xf bq.tar03:01
ShadowJK./ 503:02
DocScrutinizer05or get this one:
uncloudedNokia-N900:/dev/shm# ./ 503:03
unclouded      mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP EDV1 LOW03:03
unclouded14:02 3938 33   33   333  402  402  402  220   65535 37  003:03
unclouded14:02 3957 33   33   297  402  402  402  247   65535 37  003:03
uncloudedthat's from when plugged in to a PC.  let me try in the wall03:03
ShadowJKlooks like PC... yeah03:03
ShadowJK333mA charge rate03:04
jon_ywall charger supposed to be higher?03:04
ShadowJKesimatd 247 minutes to full03:04
unclouded      mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP EDV1 LOW03:04
unclouded14:04 3708 33   33   -171 408  408  408  65535 142   36  003:04
unclouded14:04 3748 33   33   -218 407  407  407  65535 112   36  003:04
unclouded14:04 3745 33   33   -162 407  407  407  65535 151   36  003:04
unclouded14:04 3745 33   33   -162 407  407  407  65535 150   36  003:04
unclouded14:04 3743 33   33   -160 407  407  407  65535 152   36  003:04
unclouded( from the wall)03:04
ShadowJKno charging at all03:04
uncloudedcool script03:05
ShadowJK152 minutesto empty03:05
Daftnoobiehas anyone tried this with n900?
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: reflash03:06
ShadowJKhey, try run it without the 5 at the end and pastebin it?03:06
DocScrutinizer05unless ShadowJK wants to further do tech porn forensics03:06
ShadowJKalso, battery looks really worn03:06
DocScrutinizer05which might explain03:07
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ShadowJKwant to try my charge script too?03:09
uncloudedyes please03:09
DocScrutinizer05CI:0 since last learningcycle:0 :-o03:09
uncloudedwhat's "CI" and what are learning cycles?03:09
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DocScrutinizer05unclouded: yep, use ShadowJK's charge21 script, it's waaaay more sophisticated than my proof-of-concept fron enivax page03:10
kerioDocScrutinizer05: bq27k forgets about everything once you remove power, right?03:10
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: so it IS proof-of-concept!03:10
kerioand not piece-of-crap03:11
ShadowJK (rename to, chmod +x
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ShadowJKunplug, wait 30s, execute 'stop bme' command, type in ./ , plug in n900, press enter to start script03:12
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: CI is "Calibration Incorrect" or sth, it means the chip is not properly calibrated anymore when 1. Calibration=learning cycle03:12
ShadowJKpastebin results03:12
uncloudedOK, just having a quick look at the script03:12
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uncloudedany params?03:13
DocScrutinizer05you'll love that03:13
DocScrutinizer05(though it really could use to take max-usb-current parameter)03:13
uncloudeddoes that output mean that it is charging?03:14
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: if you like, you'll also like
uncloudedbecause if so then I need to have your children because it is charging *at the wall*03:15
ShadowJKlearning cycle.. the hardware battery fuel gauge chip keepstrack of battery capacity. the number says how many cycles ago it most recently got a successful estimate of battery capacity03:15
ShadowJKrate is positive and a big number :)03:16
DocScrutinizer05what ShadowJK wnats to say: your battery charges with ~700mA03:17
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uncloudedis that after taking off the current draw of the system?03:18
uncloudedso that's pretty close to 1A03:18
ShadowJK700 net gain into battery03:18
DocScrutinizer05that figure is *real* battery in/out03:18
ShadowJKmy script requests 950mA03:19
DocScrutinizer05the script estimates system ~250mA03:19
ShadowJKthe system load estimate is not very accurate03:20
uncloudedsweet.  that is so cool.  so I could use this script to charge and I won't have to reflash.  will it work in Debian do you think if I have i2cset?03:20
DocScrutinizer05yes, since it assumes an ideal charger chip03:20
DocScrutinizer05nope, won't work in debian chroot03:21
DocScrutinizer05this script is talking directly "to the kernel"03:21
kerioi believe he means an actual debian system03:21
keriolike, a debian install03:21
DocScrutinizer05depends on what sysfs this debian ships with03:22
DocScrutinizer05iow if i2cset/i2cget will work03:22
ShadowJKas long as you don't have any kernel battery modules installed loaded, as my script talks to the hw directly.03:23
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I can convert bq27k-detail2 to perl, so no requirements on bash, worth the effort? :)03:23
uncloudedah ok.  I do have the battery module in the Debian fs ( otherwise Maemo stock kernel) but I can avoid loading it03:23
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: if you like to do that, go ahead :-D03:23
DocScrutinizer05that battery module is known to tear down charging etc03:24
DocScrutinizer05on maemo03:24
ShadowJKi had a version i made for meego that worked with bq27* module, but i think i lost it when my n900 died, and i flashed maemo on my spare n900 that had meego03:25
uncloudedI've never loaded it while running Maemo, only while booted in to Debian ( via u-boot, not chroot obviously)03:25
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uncloudedthank you so much for all the help.  I learnt something and I can charge at the wall03:25
ShadowJKbtw, you should treat yourself to a new battery :)03:26
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: obviously it can get ported to proper ash as well, but the beauty of the sourcecode suffers a lot. Dunno about perl, I always thought there's no way to write beauty perl code03:26
DocScrutinizer05umm, 1200mAh seems not that bad03:27
DocScrutinizer05highZ or what's your frowning about?03:27
ShadowJK.5 ish03:27
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: what is set -ehu?03:28
jon_ycan't find that in the docs03:28
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ShadowJKit's probably the source of " meter suddenly jumps to empty"03:28
DocScrutinizer05some error- and codingstyle settings03:28
uncloudedor could be that the Maemo status bar seems to have become disconnected from reality03:30
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: pv just prints all the byte arrays in decimals right?03:31
uncloudedwhat about python?  don't want the extra dependency?03:31
jon_yperl comes out of the box03:32
ShadowJKthe default battery meter only works well with fresh batteries, the hw meter is off by a factor of 2 by default, but yours seems calibrated03:32
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: man bash|less +/abefhkmnptuvxBCEHPT03:32
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: yes, pv means print-value, at least that's why I named it pv03:33
DocScrutinizer05it takes the bytes from arry which the index paramaters passed to pv point to, and interprets them as one decimal value03:35
DocScrutinizer05you can pass an arbitrary (though usually consecutive) list of array byte adresses03:36
jon_yyeah, I see it's doing a loop and some bitshifting03:36
uncloudedI bought my N900 second hand.  might it be that the previous owner calibrated it?03:36
DocScrutinizer05beware, I ruthlessly copied text from the datasheet, so it's not really clean FOSS03:37
teotwakithe amount of galaxy s3 and note 2 that are available post-christmas.03:37
teotwakiwhat's even more amazing, is that some people sell them for less than a 100 euros.03:37
DocScrutinizer05unclouded: it says you haven't charged/discharged your battery one complete time (summed up) since last learning cycle03:38
DocScrutinizer05note 2 for under 100EUR?03:38
teotwakiit just says "android phone", picture is defo note 2.03:38
ShadowJKunclouded; possibly, or then you've just done "charge to full in maemo, run to empty in debian" a bunch of times03:39
teotwakiso will go 'round day after tomorrow03:39
ShadowJK(maemo shuts down before battery is empty enough for calibration threshold to be reached)03:39
teotwakiam off03:40
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DocScrutinizer05not if you discharge slowly03:40
* DocScrutinizer05 waves03:40
uncloudedaha.  I think it has been too empty to finish booting sometimes recently03:40
DocScrutinizer05that might happen03:41
DocScrutinizer05but then you're usually screwed03:41
DocScrutinizer05since when it not boots, it doesn't charge either03:41
DocScrutinizer05well, it charges a bit *before* booting03:42
DocScrutinizer05but always starts at same point during charging with the boot, so it will never boot up to the end when battery is old and weak03:43
DocScrutinizer05usually that pre-boot charge is sufficient for - like - 5 min of device operation, so it boots up to normal charging03:44
DocScrutinizer05I think you probably should actually do a full-reset03:45
infobotwell, n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers.03:45
uncloudedI did do that earlier today although it didn't seem to help03:46
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: where do I get i2cdump from?03:47
DocScrutinizer05errr, repo?03:47
DocScrutinizer05extras-devel I guess03:47
uncloudedNokia-N900:~# dpkg -S i2cdump03:48
uncloudedi2c-tools: /usr/sbin/i2cdump03:48
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markmxhi... trying to set this and getting lotta errors
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merlin1991markmx: well it's pretty obvious09:28
markmxaga... but I can't get it09:28
markmx now I have this09:29
merlin1991you just need and aswell09:29
merlin1991and that you can probably fix by installing
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merlin1991but in general, why aren't you using apt?09:32
markmxwait sec09:34
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markmxhow to it with apt?09:36
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markmx:)))0 done :)))) it was simple :)09:47
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zsolthello.moved from a mobile company to another,but can't use the gprs now.11:44
zsolthow to reset the network settings?some settings are unavailable,like adding gprs connection11:46
zsoltfapn is not an advanced tool11:47
zsoltthank you11:47
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zsoltin the tech support they said,that maybe the last provider's settings are still active.just need an answer,how to reset it?11:50
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SpeedEvilthere may be a 'send configuration settings' by text11:55
SpeedEvilthat contains the APN11:56
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keriozsolt: just change the current one12:10
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zsoltwell,I sent a text to my provider,but can't receive any kind of settings13:12
zsoltwhen I try to connect to my gprs, it says:internet connection error.try again?13:13
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zsolti put the provider's sim to my n900,which I moved from to another,then switched back to my new one and can't connect by gprs anymore13:15
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zsoltmanually configured gprs settings,what they recomended in the support, but still the same :(13:16
zsoltI used e90 before,there were a lot of settings,that I can't find in n90013:16
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Sicelosettings  such as?13:28
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Sicelowho knows, maybe mobile data is simply not yet enabled on that sim card.13:30
zsoltI used last time and it was working13:32
Siceloyou can remove a mstuck' APN using gconf. don't blame me if you break something though :-P13:33
zsolti will backup it13:33
Siceloi'm not in maemo atm, but tmo should show you how13:34
zsoltwhat file should I have to edit?13:34
zsoltI like debian based distros,everything is so clear13:34
Siceloi'mactually on debian with my N900 right now :P13:35
zsolthow did you do that?:)i tryed it ,but the kernel doesn't boot13:36
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Sicelogry :-)13:57
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chem|stkerio: pong16:19
keriothere's a candidate for comaintainer of TMO16:21
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chem|stkerio: read about it16:24
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chem|stkerio: his name does not make a sound in my ears16:24
chem|stkerio: I replied to the emails as requested16:25
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: HtheB well known on tmo16:41
DocScrutinizer05I have no rating for his actions there though, due to my own rare attendance to tmo16:41
DocScrutinizer05know he's been around for like forever16:41
DocScrutinizer05and never posted anything I'd have seen that annoyed me so much I'd keep a negative record with his nick16:42
DocScrutinizer05IOW no objections and a mild approval for authenticity from me16:43
DocScrutinizer05rest up to you16:43
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DocScrutinizer05reject or grant as much power as you like16:44
DocScrutinizer05you're our new "Reggie" :-D16:45
DocScrutinizer05btw if you feel it's getting too much, we need to think about CSSU-S16:46
DocScrutinizer05CSSU maintainer and tmo maintainer might become a tad too much on one plate16:46
DocScrutinizer05again up to you, please holler if any discomfort sneaks in16:47
DocScrutinizer05after all it's you (the volunteers) who keep maemo alive and define the requirements for doing that. Council and Board are just here to facilitate16:48
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DocScrutinizer05only mandatory thing you should do: keep us informed so we can handle stuff proactively16:54
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I see you've sent a mail. well, as I said, all up to you, you're the ultimate boss of tmo. There's no other boss besides you16:57
DocScrutinizer05so also up to you to appoint a stand-in, in case you're not available16:58
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DocScrutinizer05please notice I explicitly did NOT suggest him for sysop/system-admin, just for tmo vBulletin maintainer under your control16:59
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DocScrutinizer05so your approach for tmo mod appointment seems all sane17:01
DocScrutinizer05and probably fine with HtheB as well17:01
DocScrutinizer05please you two discuss this between the two of you, and keep us informed about the final decision17:02
DocScrutinizer05I don't think any council member wants to push anything regading those topics, we're just suggesting. Your domain17:03
DocScrutinizer05and Board, while legally being future 'owner' of tmo, probably shouldn't decide *anything* except rejecting too weird or problematic requests from council or maintainers17:05
DocScrutinizer05*anything* regarding management of HR and administration, that is17:06
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Sicelovi____: you have the best N900 keymap out there. nice :)22:05
kerionot enough italian accented letters though22:07
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kerioand not enough links to the magical battery that cures cancer and gives blowjobs22:09
keriovi____: goddammit gimme a link vi22:10
kerioSicelo: no, for the 1600mAh battery he found22:12
Siceloget a gf ;-)22:12
keriomeh, i hope it's this "1700mAh high capacity battery"22:19
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ShadowJKwhat battery did he find?23:38
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fastaHas anyone ever sued anyone for spamming and won?23:41
kerioShadowJK: a "1700mAh high capacity bl-5j" that has a measured capacity of 1600mAh23:45
kerioso... still pretty great23:45
ShadowJKlink or anything?23:45
kerioit should be this one:
keriolooks shady as fuck though23:46
ShadowJKChina post not offered :(23:50
kerioi got china post for italy23:50
ShadowJKfirst it said can't ship to Netherlands, I changed to Finland, and it only offered ems :(23:53
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