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int_uaabout random reboots: I can reproduce them, finally. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1308358#post130835803:25
int_uaanyone online?03:25
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robbiethe1stnope03:27
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int_ua:)03:29
int_uagoing to sleep, goodnight)03:30
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iluminator105what is the newest kernel available with thumb?05:36
iluminator105Hurrian, what kernel version are you running?05:37
Hurrianiluminator105, N900 was stolen. My QEMU900 is running K26.28-omap1.05:38
iluminator105i am sorry to hear that, how did that happen05:38
iluminator105http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86543 where did you get this kernel from05:39
iluminator105oh you can pm with the reply to the other question05:42
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HurrianTake that discussion to #harmattan, and it's simply the PR1.3 Harmattan kernel patched with the Kernel.org patchsets for .55->.59.05:52
Hurrian.60 should be out now, but I don't have the proper build environment for it.05:52
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iluminator105cool thanks06:01
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iluminator105Hurrian, i am getting a busy message on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/k/ where would .60 be located at06:11
Hurrian.60 is not Nokia's!06:11
HurrianNokia's last kernel is .5406:11
iluminator105ah06:12
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Estel_freemangordon,  ping14:34
freemangordonEstel_: lol, pong14:35
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Estel_sorry, lost signal in underground tunnel14:40
Estel_<Estel_> since browser backend upgrade to thumb, I'm experiencing strange behavior of bits related to downloading files. No idea if it's related, but timing with thumb upgrade seems to be perfect14:40
Estel_<Estel_> relevant (maybe) bits from syslog:14:40
Estel_http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?8693cbc2ace6ecc5#6JrOcPrahCWOdjNiiBL+yNLzVzsCvHgfVObQdHNV/Ek=14:40
Estel_freemangordon,  ^^^14:41
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Estel_sorry, log is a bit messy, but I didn't wanted to filter out something important. It's full of strange browser errors, too14:41
Estel_happy new year, sweet pink flowers etc, btw14:41
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XATRIXCan anyone advice me a headphones for N900 to be able to use controls for media player ?14:47
XATRIXStop/Start Rewind/next pause...14:48
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kerioXATRIX: wired headphones? none15:12
DocScrutinizer05doesn't exist wired15:12
keriothe n900 only supports one button afaik15:12
DocScrutinizer05yes15:12
DocScrutinizer05unless somebody wrote the according kernel module to support the weird wired protocol15:13
DocScrutinizer05BT however, no problem15:13
DocScrutinizer05generally15:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: how come we bot answer same second to a question asked 25 min ago?15:14
DocScrutinizer05both*15:14
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DocScrutinizer05OMG!!!! :-o15:15
XATRIX;)15:15
XATRIXI think DocScrutinizer and kerio is a one person ;)15:15
int_uasorry, what have I missed? :) What's OMG about? :)15:15
DocScrutinizer05guess! :-x15:16
XATRIXint_ua: are you from Ukraine ? :)15:16
int_uayes15:17
int_uaand you? :)15:18
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: happy xmess!15:20
XATRIXint_ua: Kiev ;)15:20
DocScrutinizer05X-P15:20
* DocScrutinizer05 prepares for the bitching and bullying impact15:21
int_uaoh, BTW, people, can you try reproducing my crashes: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1308358&postcount=301 ?15:24
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int_uaXATRIX: check vk if you want :)15:26
int_uacssufeatures vs. cssutransitionstuner: should I install both?15:27
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DocScrutinizer05~seen jaffa15:33
infobotjaffa is currently on #maemo #harmattan, last said: 'freemangordon: Could work. Would need testing.'.15:33
DocScrutinizer05~seen teotwaki15:34
infobotteotwaki is currently on #maemo (14m 55s), last said: 'tackle'.15:34
DocScrutinizer05~seen dneary15:34
infobotdneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 317d 1h 1m 5s ago, saying: 'Nightrose, I'll ping you again tomorrow :)'.15:34
DocScrutinizer05~seen GeneralAntilles15:34
infobotgeneralantilles is currently on #maemo #harmattan, last said: 'Twitter wants me to follow lcuk.'.15:34
DocScrutinizer05~seen stskeeps15:35
infobotstskeeps is currently on #meego (1d 1h 9m 42s), last said: ':P'.15:35
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: what's your usual TZ atm?15:36
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: (tuner/features) one of both is bitrotting and useless15:38
int_uawhich is...? :)15:38
DocScrutinizer05I never manage to recall which of both15:38
int_uayeah, me too :)15:38
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DocScrutinizer05the other one maybe also doesn't support all keys in transitions.ini but at very least not insists on restoring an obsolete version of that file to meet own capabilities15:39
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DocScrutinizer05if somebody could pick up on maintenance and evolution of either of both pkgs, or even merge both into one and fix all the flaws, that would be very much appreciated15:41
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, what's up?15:41
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: checking our chanop situation, anticipating doom15:42
XATRIXint_ua: i'm in VK15:42
XATRIX:)15:42
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: see backscroll15:43
DocScrutinizer05about 70min back15:43
DocScrutinizer05I still shouldn't do anything regarding this issue, but we would need somebody else who dares15:44
DocScrutinizer05and is actually online and active15:45
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: actually current job/role I got shanghaied for seems to forbod any engagement into that topic on IRC even more15:46
XATRIXWhat can you say about http://mobileab.com/news/nokia-headphones-all-about-style-quality/attachment/10093/15:46
DocScrutinizer05forbid*15:46
XATRIXIs it compatible with ?15:46
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: nope it isn't15:47
XATRIXF...ck15:47
XATRIX:(15:47
DocScrutinizer05we told you wired multibutton headsets are not supported by N90015:47
DocScrutinizer05for the button part15:47
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: if you want multibutton, you need a BT headset15:49
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XATRIXhttp://www.sotmarket.ru/product/nokia_hs_44_ad_44_nokia_n900.html15:50
XATRIX:(15:50
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XATRIXAnd what can you say about this one ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21182&page=115:51
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kerioXATRIX: openmediaplayer lets you configure the one button on the headphones15:54
kerioand i suppose that you could get creative with it15:54
keriolike press to play/pause, hold to skip to next, doublepress to go back15:55
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post79904715:57
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: hah, you already found that thread15:58
XATRIXkerio thank i'll try15:59
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JaffaDocScrutinizer05: You rang?16:04
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DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: hey, reassuring I'm not allone with chan moderation here :-D16:05
Jaffa:)16:06
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: recently a user resurrected that I might need to put on my /ignore, to save my mental health. Yet we'd need a chanop taking care about this user too16:06
JaffaSo far said user didn't seem *too* troublesome16:07
Jaffa(Compared with, say, TMO behaviour or historic IRCity)16:07
DocScrutinizer05indeed, but I like to act proactive16:07
JaffaTsk ;)16:07
DocScrutinizer05get my policies and options sorted16:08
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DocScrutinizer05looking at access list I noticed more than 50% of chanops are completely inactive16:08
DocScrutinizer05Jaffa: anyway thanks for being around :-)16:11
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* Jaffa 's also set up a trigger so that if I don't respond to 'jaffa: ...' within a couple of minutes, I get a poke16:12
DocScrutinizer05wow16:12
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:12
int_uaare there any theme that was designed exclusively to make load times shorter?16:12
JaffaDocScrutinizer05: I've been embarrassingly lax.16:12
DocScrutinizer05np16:13
DocScrutinizer05this community is an amazingly forgiving one16:14
DocScrutinizer05lax is not even noticed ;-)16:14
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: never heard of any, but that doesn't mean there are none. I just might have missed on them16:15
kerioi doubt themes affect loading times that much anyway16:16
DocScrutinizer05:nod:16:17
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int_uamy N900 just rebooted again16:23
kerioint_ua: as i said, have you tried a different battery?16:24
kerioone that's about to fail can cause that16:24
mark_g44Hi. Scratchbox.org is offline, mirror http://thecust.net/nelisquare/hathor-sdk/ too. Is there any working mirror ? I need scratchbox for amd64 (I have deb files on my hdd, but for i386 :/)16:24
int_uawell, battery in my second N900 is not really better: it can show that it's discharged in less that an hour16:25
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int_uakerio: /\16:26
keriowhat does powertop report?16:26
int_uabut I'm planning to buy a new one, yeah16:26
int_uatrying it16:26
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int_uawhat's dss in powertop?16:28
int_uawait, how can it be 1150 MHz? Am I reading it wrong? preparing the pastebin16:31
keriovi____: yesterday you didn't post the link to the awesoem battery, btw16:31
int_uakerio: http://pastebin.com/Jjg3A1rN16:33
kerio...16:34
keriono, you're supposed to close *everything* for powertop to work properly16:34
int_ua=D16:34
int_uaMy N900 just rebooted16:34
int_ualeaving to test multiple wifi reauthentication with powertop16:35
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Hurrianfinally, got OpenGL accelerated QEMU N900 emulation working.16:38
ShadowJKdss display subsystem16:39
Hurrianapparently, QEMU doesn't like: being run in OS X, and being run inside another virtualizer.16:39
int_uakerio: http://pastebin.com/mXRUVbNm16:40
kerioint_ua: try again and get it as idle as possible16:41
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int_uaok, I'l make it fully offline16:42
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int_uakerio: http://pastebin.com/sAkKUgtN16:47
keriowell, nothing weird going on at the moment16:48
keriobesides, a battery drain would be *a battery drain*16:48
int_ua:)16:48
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Wulfejust curious but am i in the correct channel for diablo/N810 support or is this fremantle only?16:51
int_uaI've used solar panel directly many times...16:51
int_uaWulfe: IDK, but N810 is still Maemo...16:52
Wulfetrue, i just know older maemo versions get pretty much lost anymore cuz everyone moved on to n9x0 or meego.16:55
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kerioWulfe: this should be the channel16:57
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: EU/Paris; currently in CH, going back to FR tomorrow.17:04
Wulfethanks kerio17:07
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: so basically same TZ as me17:10
teotwakiaye17:10
teotwakidneary same TZ17:11
teotwakino idea regarding stskeeps17:11
DocScrutinizer05dneary is non-sctive17:11
DocScrutinizer05stskeeps as well17:11
teotwakijaffa ours - 117:11
teotwakibut sometimes plagued with migraines.17:12
DocScrutinizer05as long as you, jaffa, and GeneralAntilles are all around and responsive/attentive, I guess I may do /ignore when needed17:13
teotwakihow so?17:13
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DocScrutinizer05you banned a user some time ago, I still won't do anything regarding said user. So it's up to my co-chanops in that particular case, to keep an eye on the situation17:14
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teotwakiwhat user?17:14
DocScrutinizer05e*_17:15
teotwakiI unbanned him quite some time17:15
DocScrutinizer05yup17:15
teotwakimight remove ducklings though17:15
DocScrutinizer05you banned him for a reason though17:15
teotwakino idea why I banned him17:16
teotwakiyeah, but he lost interest17:16
DocScrutinizer05same reason might recur17:16
teotwakianyway17:16
teotwakigotta run17:16
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Sicelohmm, what do we use kexec for on the N900?21:59
Sicelo:-/21:59
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DocScrutinizer05~botsnack22:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05: aw, gee22:13
Cor-Aiwhat does bots eat for candy?22:15
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DocScrutinizer05chips of course ;-)22:18
DocScrutinizer05~candy22:19
infobotit has been said that candy is a sweet treat many people over eat22:19
DocScrutinizer05silly infobot22:19
Cor-Aihahaha22:19
Cor-Aiu cant over eat candy22:20
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Cor-Ai!22:20
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DocScrutinizer05depends on the candy22:20
Cor-Ainaah!22:20
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DocScrutinizer05but yeah, I agree as far as I never exactly did. Only overeaten on 3 things in my life: margarine, eggs (easter with my granny :-D), and a sweety called "Mon Cheri" - some filled chocolate with cherry and alcohol inside, got truckloads of that for each birthday and xmas when I was young, until I stopped liking it22:24
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keriohow the hell can you eat margarine?22:29
ShadowJKnom22:34
vi_you can eat anything if you chew it enough.22:35
vi_this battery IS 1600mah.22:35
* cehteh gives vi_ a teaspoon quartz22:35
vi_I think I may buy some more.22:36
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DocScrutinizer05~seen bergie22:41
infobotbergie <~bergie@nemein.hietalahti.nemein.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 380d 10h 22m 50s ago, saying: 'http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/call_for_presentations-open_mobile_linux_at_fosdem_2012/'.22:41
DocScrutinizer05omg22:42
DocScrutinizer05povbot: seen bergie22:42
povbotDocScrutinizer05: bergie was last seen in #maemo 2 years, 21 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bergie> SpeedEvil: can you mention those issues on http://github.com/cannonerd/adventure_tablet/issues so they are not forgotten?22:42
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DocScrutinizer05>>Henri Bergius is an occasional adventurer working at Nemein Berlin...<< BERLIN???22:45
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GadgetoidIs there a flasher that actually runs on intel Macs? Apparently i386 doesn't mean what it used to mean :D22:46
Sicelowhat do we use kexec for on the N900?22:51
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ShadowJKvi_; what battery?22:55
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vi_an orange bl-5j i bought on aliexpress.23:05
vi_It is covered in chinese writing and claims to be 1700mAh23:05
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keriovi_: GIMME THE FRIKKIN LINK23:07
kerio>:C23:08
GadgetoidFlashy flashy, poor N90023:09
kerioGadgetoid: the flasher-3.5 for macs worksforme23:10
keriosnow leopard on x86_6423:10
Gadgetoidkerio: Whines about being a PPC binary for me, which is peculiar… I gave up and used the windows binary instead23:10
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: don't you think the OS, together with the processor architecture, is a better specification on what you need the flasher to support, rather than "iMac"?23:10
kerioGadgetoid: cool, so you solved the problem?23:11
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: No, all Macs are the same, they run nothing, ever and are just there to annoy linux users :D23:11
kerio/usr/bin/flasher-3.5: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_6423:11
Gadgetoidkerio: Possibly, phone now rebooting!23:11
DocScrutinizer05ok, i'll consider this as lame trolling23:11
kerioso... i have no idea what you installed23:11
kerioand yeah, it's a bit annoying23:11
DocScrutinizer05sorry, can't help then23:11
GadgetoidVery strange, clearly the flasher installer I used was broken in some fashion23:12
keriothere's only one23:12
GadgetoidSame setup as yours otherwise, kerio23:12
GadgetoidYeah, that's what makes it strange… it's a pretty obvious file!23:12
keriohm, not really though23:13
keriothere's maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg and maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_ppc.dmg23:14
GadgetoidYeah, I used the i386 one, thus my comment about i386 not meaning what I thought it meant23:14
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: ((how the hell can you eat margarine?)) I been ~5 yo, and this been some bread I spread margarine on it myself, ~10mm thick23:14
kerioyou probably didn't use the i386 one then23:14
DocScrutinizer05my aunt forced me to eat it :-S23:14
* thomasjfox wonders when the package builder on maemo.org will work again23:14
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keriomargarine on bread isn't bad, really23:15
DocScrutinizer0510mm ???23:15
kerionormal people say 1cm23:16
DocScrutinizer05of old stinky rancy friggin margarine?23:16
kerioand yeah, 1cm is not even edible in my book23:16
DocScrutinizer05((normal people)) you know by now this doesn't apply to me23:17
DocScrutinizer05;-P23:17
GadgetoidWonder if I should put community-wassisname-doohickey on this before it ends up on Ebay23:18
kerioGadgetoid: is the usb port working?23:19
keriowhat about the modem?23:19
Gadgetoidkerio: phone is mint, it's almost never been used23:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: *poke*23:19
DocScrutinizer05??23:19
kerioalmost-never-used n900 for sale23:19
DocScrutinizer05where? how much?23:20
kerioGadgetoid's23:20
kerioGadgetoid: how much?23:20
GadgetoidHell if I know! Seen them hit ~£15023:20
DocScrutinizer05mint condition? deal!23:21
kerioi paid 150 *EUR* for one, before the summer23:21
keriodammit doc i'm trying to haggle here23:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, you won't find another idiot like me23:21
kerioheh23:21
GadgetoidJust checking for mintness23:22
kerio#maemo - come for the flashing advices, leave with 150£ and -1 n900s23:22
Gadgetoidkerio: Haha, I was only flashing it as a prep for selling!23:22
DocScrutinizer05~convert 150GBP to EURO23:22
infobot150GBP cannot be converted to EURO: Unknown unit 'EURO'23:23
GadgetoidEUR?23:23
DocScrutinizer05~fu23:23
infobotFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-23:23
DocScrutinizer05~convert 150GBP to EUR23:23
infobot150GBP is approximately 214.011 EUR23:23
DocScrutinizer05needs full original accessory and packaging, plus ral mint condition for that23:24
DocScrutinizer05real*23:24
kerioGadgetoid: does it taste minty?23:24
GadgetoidIt has fingerprints on the screen… oh noes!23:25
keriothe one i bought in june had the original screen protector still on23:25
keriobut it was a pretty good deal23:25
Gadgetoidkerio: I guess that would be the true definition of mint23:26
* DocScrutinizer05 recalls cursing N950 for not booting, until he noticed 100% black screen protector23:27
keriohaha23:27
GadgetoidClassic!23:27
GadgetoidJust need to dig up the video-out cable23:27
GadgetoidThe little packet of pads for the earphones is still sealed, ha23:28
DocScrutinizer05those you honestly can keep for a memento23:29
DocScrutinizer05;-)23:29
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GadgetoidIt's a legendary phone, but it's just sat unused for months23:29
DocScrutinizer05probably the most lousy accessory of whole N-series ever23:29
GadgetoidDon't even use my N810 anymore, but I think it'd have to be pried out of my cold-dead-hands23:29
kerioi guess this is not a good time to explain all the awesome things you can do with a n90023:31
Gadgetoidkerio: I have a 1Ghz Pandora23:31
kerioi was thinking of getting one23:33
keriodoes MAME run reasonably quick?23:33
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GadgetoidWant me to try and get some photos DocScrutinizer05?23:34
DocScrutinizer05sure, why not23:35
DocScrutinizer05photos always help convincing the ratio about doing irrational things23:35
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DocScrutinizer05seems the term "ratio" isn't that common in english?23:37
DocScrutinizer05at least not for rational logic23:37
GadgetoidNot heard it! but I think I understand23:37
keriothere's nothing irrational about buying your 5th n90023:38
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DocScrutinizer05indeed, occasionally I might set up my own RDA23:39
kerioyour what23:39
DocScrutinizer05need to build a box, with nice music and some TV playing pr0n, for that23:39
DocScrutinizer05Remote Device Access23:40
DocScrutinizer05I however wonder how Nokia managed to transmit the screen via inernet to a browser plugin23:40
DocScrutinizer05http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Remote_Device_Access23:42
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DocScrutinizer05N900, N950, N9 all there23:43
DocScrutinizer05not even booked23:43
Gadgetoidhttp://www.gadgetoid.com/n900/DSC01434.JPG what's that, a not-broken USB port?23:45
DocScrutinizer05a blank page23:45
keriowell, it doesn't have junk in the speaker grid23:46
DocScrutinizer05ooh, loaded23:46
GadgetoidUnflattering… http://www.gadgetoid.com/n900/DSC01430.JPG23:46
GadgetoidSorry about the hoooge photos, didn't want to fiddle them23:46
kerioGadgetoid: needs moar boobs23:46
Gadgetoidkerio: truethat!23:46
DocScrutinizer05looks pretty normal23:46
GadgetoidCamera doesn't show it well, but it glows softly with an angelic aura23:47
DocScrutinizer05but broken USB rarely is noticeable on photos, unless really ripped out of case23:47
GadgetoidOr it might be radioactive23:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: he claims that the flashing was successful23:47
GadgetoidWell I just used the USB to flash it, so I'm going to assume it's not broken!23:47
GadgetoidEither that… or… wizards?23:48
DocScrutinizer05yeah, better indicator23:48
kerioit definetely looks underused23:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: and, if we're to believe the whois db, we have a name and an address for the seller23:49
* Gadgetoid can't remember Joakim's IRC username23:50
GadgetoidI'm not hard to track down, ha!23:50
GadgetoidWhois is correct, although the phone number is out of date23:51
GadgetoidAh it was zhasha who bought my last N90023:53
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: so what do you suggest to do with that info now? Sneak in at night?23:55
GadgetoidFree surprise funtime?23:55
keriosue if he doesn't actually ship the n90023:55
DocScrutinizer05meh23:56
keriogo beat him up if he doesn't actually ship the n900?23:56
DocScrutinizer05why would I do that? unless I sent money, which I won't without a paypal account or similar info23:57
keriowhat's wrong with a wire transfer?23:58
DocScrutinizer05nothing23:58
GadgetoidDocScrutinizer05: where are you based?23:58
DocScrutinizer05if you meant a bank transfer23:58
keriosend bitcoins!23:58
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: germany23:59
GadgetoidLast time I got a bank transfer from Denmark it worked fine, shipped when he sent a PDF of his transfer receipt23:59
DocScrutinizer05Gadgetoid: late XMas packages work fine from UK to D23:59

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