IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-12-27

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iluminator105./flasher-3.5  ./RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f01:09
iluminator105flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009)01:09
iluminator105Unknown arguments specified!01:09
kerioiluminator105: you forgot a -F01:10
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iluminator105i got one at the end01:13
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iluminator105wait why does it say flash v.2.5.2 it should be 3.501:15
keriobecause nokia is stupid01:16
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iluminator105i did -f with -R no go01:18
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Hurrian./flasher-3.5  -f -F ./RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -R01:22
kerioit should work01:23
kerioit doesn't?01:23
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iluminator105yes thanks Hurrian kerio01:24
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iluminator105i bricked the device when i tried to put nemo on it so much for that effort01:43
kerioyou can't brick a n90001:44
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iluminator105i should just upgraded the kernel i don't know what i was thinking01:45
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SpeedEvilkerio: wipe the flash enough times that you wear out the boot block.02:28
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kerioSpeedEvil: hm, i thought ROMBL could still load an xloader from usd02:38
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kerioto be fair i suppose that it would still be bricked, we don't have an xloader to unbrick because of the signing02:39
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bennypr0fanehello, I'm having problems with my apt-get, somehting's messed up, but I don't know what the error msg means. Would you mind taking a look at it? here:
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HurrianTry to use regular apt-get.03:53
bennypr0faneHurrian just did. apt-get update doesn't work, it suggests to run apt-get to fix that :-D03:55
HurrianThe DepCompareOp problem is known, just ignore it.03:55
bennypr0fanebut it won't let me install anything unless I fix that problem, it seems03:56
bennypr0faneyou mean I can't use FAM, only apt-get to install anyhting?03:57
bennypr0faneFAM always updates before going to install interface, and after this error it goes back to main menu03:59
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LaoLang_coolapt-get -f install?04:19
LaoLang_cooloh, ignore me please04:20
LaoLang_coolI'm not sure if /opt/fapman-cache/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.3_non-free_binary-armel_Packages can be deleted04:21
LaoLang_coolIf I were you, I will have a try ;p but I don't know what will happend04:22
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NitaChanI realize that development for N900 is mostly dead these days, but does anyone happen to know how to turn the camera flash LEDs on from command line? I've been trying to Google around, but the damn thing keeps returning completely bogus results06:22
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merlin1991NitaChan: there are I think 2 flashlight applications in maemo extras, maybe there's something in the source you could use06:25
NitaChanYeah, I just downloaded some sources and trying to check if I can find the magic..06:27
SpeedEvil it's controls of the video4linux device06:28
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NitaChanSo, dov4l should be able to toggle the LED?06:28
SpeedEvilsomething that can open the v4l device, hold it open, and perform the right ioctl will work06:29
SpeedEvilI'd love a frontend to the camera that launches on camera door open, and if pointed down (accel), turns on the flashlight06:31
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NitaChanThat shouldn't be too hard to do06:32
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NitaChanNow, any suggestions as to how to stream live video from N900 to an arbitrary computer? I can stream live video with GStreamer via udpsink/udpsrc, but that seemingly requires you to specify an IP-address you wish to stream to, but I wish to be able to stream from any random IP06:43
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iluminator105after i flashed n900 sudo is asking for a password this is with nokia vanilla image07:13
NitaChanYes, it does that. Install rootsh from repos, then use the command "root" to become root, not sudo07:15
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NitaChanNice, now I can stream live audio and video in a Matroska-container over HTTP, finally! That means I can stream it to any mobile device with Matroska-supporting video player and to anything with VLC :)07:37
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internetishardIs the connection supposed to automatically switch back to internet from MMS after fMMS runs?07:44
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internetishardThe fact that it doesn't on my phone means that it's randomly crippled from receiving emails - etc - and I have to go scout out what the deal is...07:44
NitaChanI suppose it should reconnect automatically, but I'm not sure. I can't remember anymore as it's been years since I actually used my N900 as a phone07:45
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internetishardNitaChan: what you use as a phone? what you use the n900 as?07:56
NitaChanI do random projects with it. Right now I'm just planning to install it on the wall so that I can stream live audio and video from it over the web07:57
internetishardNitaChan: why use the n900 for that? why not put screens places and stream to them using computers, phones, and tablets?08:04
NitaChanscreens places?08:06
NitaChanI'm not sure what you're saying08:07
internetishardyou said you'll put n900s on walls08:07
internetisharduse whatever LCDs you want whever you want...08:07
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NitaChanNo, I don't stream video TO N900, I stream video FROM it08:08
internetishardOh, from it's camera?08:08
NitaChanYes, that's what I said: live streaming of N900's camera and microphone over the Internet08:08
NitaChanThe N900 consumes very little power if one uses H/W-accelerated encoding, it's small, and the camera and microphone are integrated to it already, so it's quite perfect for that purpose08:10
internetishardhow do you use HW-accel encoding?08:10
NitaChanGStreamer and dsph264enc - plugin08:11
internetishardI use mplayer to play songs on it, and I often want to slow them down (using '[' key in mplayer), but it starts clipping, like the CPU can't handle it08:11
NitaChanYes, mplayer doesn't use GStreamer08:12
NitaChanTherefore it does everything in software08:12
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internetishardseems cool! you should post about it and make a pkg when you get it working08:15
internetishardI'd like to see images that we can flash our n900s with... Like people who have done different things with it, or want to have a default configuration to pass around, etc.08:16
NitaChanThere's no sane way of packaging what I did since it's just a script for node.js08:19
NitaChanAnd it'd have to be customized anyways for whatever one plans to do with it08:20
internetishardso you could just hand over the script without your passwords and URLs?08:20
NitaChanThere are no passwords there at the moment08:20
NitaChanI can pastebin the script if you really want it, but you need to install node.js and learn some GStreamer - settings to use it properly08:22
NitaChan -- save it to e.g. stream.js, then run it with /opt/node/bin/node /, and then open the stream in VLC with's.ip.address:9001/08:25
NitaChanOh, and you need to install express for node.js for the script to work08:26
NitaChanMomma gonna go AFK, gotta take dogs out for poop.08:27
internetishardthank you!08:27
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AndrewX192has the maemo wiki been submitted to
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iluminator105NitaChan, thanks10:19
iluminator105after i reflashed i can't connect to wifi i get a network connection error which is strange10:19
NitaChanReflashed what, exactly?10:20
NitaChanNo, what did you flash on it? A new kernel? MMC data? The root filesystem?10:21
iluminator105NitaChan, long time not going get into it now....i will removing the connection and adding it10:22
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DocScrutinizer05incredible traffic today18:27
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: you spoiled it, we tried to keep this day's chanlog empty ;-P18:28
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kerioRST38h: you ruined it!18:32
keriofor shame!18:32
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merlin1991really, how could you?18:47
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vi_not much.19:07
vi_may have found a 1600mAh battery.19:07
vi_also, where is the details I need to set up using n900 as a DUN modem over bluetooth?19:08
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vi_that is, android>n900>internet19:08
vi_r00t|home: ping.19:08
keriovi_: are you sure you want DUN?19:11
kerioPAN is neater19:11
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vi_TBH I dont know what I want.  I just need to make internet appear on mrs vi__ nexus 7 from her n900.19:12
keriowhat can android do?19:12
vi_any pointers?19:12
vi_android can go suck a fuck.19:12
vi_it is however what she has.19:12
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keriook, whatevs, let's go with DUN19:13
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keriovi_: are you willing to install potentially unstable software on your n900?19:13
vi_it is the latest version.19:13 unstable?19:13
keriomeh, not much19:13
kerioluf's updated bluez19:13
vi_has it got magic?19:14
kerioloads of it19:14
vi_where do I find it?19:14
kerio and
keriobefore installing, sudo stop bluetoothd19:15
kerioafter installing, sudo start bluetoothd19:15
kerioor reboot, whatevs19:15
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keriovi_: your n900 will appear to also be an audio sink - it's true, but you need some extra configuration to use it that way19:17
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keriovi_: audio sink means that it can be used as bluetooth headphones19:18
kerionamely, you need a loopback module in pulseaudio and some minor dbus ritual19:23
kerioDUN should be working right now19:23
kerioif you want to try PAN you need a kernel that supports bridge interfaces and iptables19:23
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* DocScrutinizer05 is missing an option in friggin PA to playback audio files via earpiece19:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ear*piece*?19:24
DocScrutinizer05for listening to recorded phonecalls19:24
kerioew, that sucks19:24
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kerioif it's a2dp just, you know, open the file in Multimedia19:25
DocScrutinizer05just want to listen to arbitrary audio as if it were a normal call19:25
DocScrutinizer05holding N900 to my ear19:25
keriooh, that way19:26
vi_ok, I installed that shit.19:26
vi_now what?19:26
keriovi_: rebooted? or restarted bluetoothd19:26
int_uawait, doesn't it play audio through BT? Searching for my headset...19:26
kerioint_ua: he means the actual speaker on the front of the n90019:26
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int_uahm, nice idea19:27
kerioint_ua: to be fair i'm not sure if it plays audio through non-a2dp headsets19:27
keriovi_: at that point it's all an android matter19:27
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vi_how do I make it 'dial'???19:29
vi_are there any droid users here?19:29
keriovi_: iunno19:30
vi_do i heed to install the bluetooth-dun package from the repo?19:30
keriono, your n900 is set19:30
kerioyou just need to "dial" from the other device19:30
kerioaka do the slightly magical AT invocation and then dial *99#19:31
kerioperhaps PAN would be easier actually19:31
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DocScrutinizer05depends, I heard some devices do PAN only, other DUN only19:32
vi_how do I make gthe bluetooth sound come out of the n900?19:33
vi_the device is connected and playing.19:34
vi_is pan easier?19:34
DocScrutinizer05well, PAN is basically a LAN19:35
DocScrutinizer05while DUN is a modem19:35
keriovi_: "playing"? wtf19:36
kerioluf: how does one make audio sink work?19:36
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keriofor instance, the iphone only knows how to pan afaik19:36
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I understand that.19:36
keriovi_: do you have a capable kernel?19:37
vi_latest thumb.19:38
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keriodo you have busybox-power?19:38
kerioin /etc/bluetooth/network.conf19:39
vi_that file does not exist.19:39
keriouncomment the Interface= line in [NAP Role]19:39
keriothen you botched the bluez install i suppose19:39
keriohm, maybe not19:40
vi_how the fuck can I botch dpkg -i l./*.deb?19:40
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kerioignore the Script line for now19:41
keriojust the first two19:41
keriothen restart bluetoothd19:41
kerioyou should have a "btnap" interface19:41
kerioas clients connect, they'll get bnep<x> interfaces, all bridged together so you shouldn't care about those19:42
kerionow follow any howto on how to share a connection on linux19:42
keriothe interface you have to share on is btnap19:43
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vi_you say btnap interface, listed wit ifconfig.19:46
keriodid you restart bluetoothd?19:46
keriodon't lie to me19:47
keriohold on, do you have it?19:47
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keriovi_: check in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf if "network" is in the disabled plugins19:48
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keriovi_: have you rebooted after installing the new bluez?19:49
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DocScrutinizer05network is NOT in your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf 4th line?19:50
DocScrutinizer05here it is19:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: new bluez19:51
keriovi_: can you try and do sudo brctl addbr btnap19:51
keriohold on actually, how are you listing the interfaces?19:52
kerioyou need to ifconfig -a19:52
keriovi_: what does brctl show list?19:52
keriothe command is "brctl show"19:52
vi_I do not have brctl19:53
DocScrutinizer05so why don't you use backticks?19:53
keriovi_: you said you have busybox-power installed19:53
kerioyou son of a bitch19:53
DocScrutinizer05like `brctl list` for example19:53
keriono, `brctl show`19:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: speech19:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: he's full of lies!19:53
vi_oops, wrong device.19:53
vi_installing bbp now.19:54
DocScrutinizer05kerio: official19:54
keriovi_: hostnames!19:54
kerioofficial what?19:55
vi_just installed bbp with FAM.  it autoremoved a bunch of critical stuff.19:57
vi_F FAM.19:57
infobothmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, an alternative to the bulky and slow one that comes by default on the N90019:58
kerioinfobot: no, fapman is a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again19:58
infobotkerio: okay19:58
infoboti heard fapman is a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again19:58
kerioinfobot: no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again19:59
infobotokay, kerio19:59
infobotsomebody said fam was short for familiar19:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how do i make a #maemo-only factoid?19:59
kerioand how do i redirect?19:59
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo fam is <reply>see fapman19:59
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay20:00
vi_goddamn.  I never thought fapman could fubar eerything so fast.20:00
keriothere's a reason apt asks for confirmation20:00
infobotfrom memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again20:01
DocScrutinizer05~_default fam20:02
infobotmethinks fam is short for familiar20:02
vi_ok, i now have bbp20:03
keriovi_: `brctl show`20:03
vi_returns an error20:03
vi_brctl: SIOCGIFBR: package not installed.20:04
vi_why the hell nothing ever works.20:04
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vi_what is supposed to create the network.conf?20:05
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keriovi_: you20:05
Belzebubkraft: daddy?20:06
keriovi_: maybe the kernel isn't good enough20:06
kerioi'd install kp5220:06
DocScrutinizer05can't you check lsmod?20:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure that network bridging is in a module20:08
DocScrutinizer05something has to create bnep20:08
keriobluetoothd should do20:08
keriobut brctl should be able to do that too20:08
DocScrutinizer05no, a kernel module is doing that20:09
keriooh you mean even higher20:09
keriohm, the "bridge" module apparently20:09
kerioit's automatically loaded for me, though20:09
keriovi_: modprobe bridge20:09
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DocScrutinizer05I said lsmod20:10
vi_there is no module bridge.20:10
kerioyour kernel sucks, install kp5220:10
DocScrutinizer05modinfo even20:10
kerioin the mean time, are you toying around with the android tablet to see if bluetooth DUN is doable?20:11
keriobecause that one is definetely working *right now* for you20:11
vi_she is on it.20:11
DocScrutinizer05lsmod to see if it's already loaded, modinfo to see if it's available20:11
vi_cruising the crapp store for spyware.20:11
keriovi_: yep, the bridge module is in kp5220:12
vi_I will try DUN.20:12
vi_Then I will grind 1 year off my lifespan trying to make PAN work.20:12
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vi_droid users just dont give a shit about their OS being a giant spyware trap.20:15
DocScrutinizer05wasn't PAN supposed to work since ages? even on stock?20:15
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: on diablo, maybe20:15
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: might have info even useful for android20:22
keriovi_: remember that you don't need the "bluetooth-dun" package20:25
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okiasHello, is possible replace dpkg with newest compiled dpkg from debian?21:43
okiasI having problem compile some new packages, which higher versions of dpkg...21:43
keriookias: no you don't21:44
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okiaskerio: why? I need get new software to n900 without replace distribution... ;-)21:45
kerioyou don't compile on the n900 anyway21:45
okiasI heard something that apt/dpkg pretty heavy modifyied21:45
okiaskerio: I compile in VirtualBox in scratchbox21:46
kerioand what's your issue?21:46
okiasI used some debian based debian/ directory and want to compile it, but it use Multiarch21:47
okiasand seems it needs few more things21:47
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SpeedEvilI compiled on the n90022:06
SpeedEvilless painful than setting up an environment for small stuff22:06
* ShadowJK compiles on N800 for same reason22:06
freemangordonSpeedEvil: it might be ok as POC, but I wonder how long it will take to comple the kernel or Qt :P22:07
okiasSpeedEvil: too old core packages already :-(22:08
okiasSpeedEvil: when I get some microSD, I'll move to NemoMobile...22:08
SpeedEvilfrom memory, about an hour22:08
freemangordonSpeedEvil: it takes ~ hour on my 4 cores22:08
DocScrutinizer05in qemu? ;-)22:09
freemangordoncompilers are native afaik22:09
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure about that22:09
freemangordonI am22:09
DocScrutinizer05but yes, took >1h here too22:09
merlin1991SpeedEvil: I hope you did it in a chroot22:10
freemangordonQt is about 40 mins, the kernel about 2522:10
SpeedEvilcopy / to chroot22:10
freemangordonno way n900 will compile Qt in 1 hour22:11
DocScrutinizer05nah, kernel22:11
SpeedEvilapt-get install build-essentials22:11
freemangordonhmm, is a8 that powerful?22:11
SpeedEvilabout an hour meant 20 minutes to 3 hours22:11
SpeedEvilI forget the actual time22:11
DocScrutinizer05and when we talk about kernel, define what that includes ;-D22:11
SpeedEvilI think it was closer to an hour,22:12
SpeedEviland just a kernel image and modules22:12
DocScrutinizer05kernel might be fast, modules take ages22:12
ShadowJKCompiling kernel for my desktop takes an hour, but I mostly use the distro's .config, which includes everything and the kitchen sink22:13
DocScrutinizer05hmmm compuerized kitchen sink, cute22:13
DocScrutinizer05I only got a computerized flat door lock22:14
ShadowJKalso the coffeemaker protocol22:14
DocScrutinizer05and warm water from a digital heater22:14
ShadowJKand blinkenlights driver22:14
DocScrutinizer05with 443MHz remote :-)22:15
ShadowJKonly the 1 bit blinkenlights driver, not the new 4 bit one22:15
ShadowJK(pieces of hardware that there only ever existed one device ever, for less than a month)22:15
DocScrutinizer05indeed, like cdc_phonet ;-P22:16
SpeedEvilalso, -j2 made it 20% faster' IIRC22:16
ShadowJKno, there are many N900s22:16
DocScrutinizer05once it's in linus kernel, you never get it out again22:16
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: but only one app ever used cdc_phonet I guess22:17
ShadowJKblinkenlight was a building modified for one weekend22:17
DocScrutinizer05the test app22:17
DocScrutinizer05I know22:17
DocScrutinizer05cdc_phonet never been used at all22:17
DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong though on that one22:18
merlin1991ShadowJK: in the vienna metalab we have a blinkenwall :)22:18
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kerioi read that as "methlab" and was worried for a minute22:23
merlin1991hm don't know about those :D22:34
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keriovi_: you said you had a 1600mAh battery?22:48
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vi_kerio: in my phone23:04
keriowhere did you get it23:04
keriotell me23:04
vi_let me calibrate it one last time to be certain.23:04
freemangordonvi_: hi23:04
vi_hey FMG!23:04
vi_happy xmas!23:04
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keriovi_: are we talking about bl-5js?23:05
vi_kerio: yes23:05
keriowhich one is it?23:05
freemangordonvi_: enjoying the new -thumb?23:05
vi_it is orange with lots of chinese writing on ot.23:05
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keriothe one that claims 1700?23:05
vi_I have not updated yet.23:05
freemangordonkerio: link please23:06
kerio"High quality Li-ion battery"23:06
freemangordonTotal Price:23:06
freemangordonUS $46.2323:06
keriothat doesn't look remotely like high quality23:06
freemangordonnice :D23:06
kerioit's 9.94 for me23:07
vi_That is the picture...23:07
keriohow much is the shipping to germany?23:07
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vi_worldwide for free if you take the slo boat.23:07
freemangordonshipping cost to bulgaria is 37.2423:07
kerio...aren't you german? wtf23:07
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keriono you're not23:08
freemangordonkerio: no. never been :P23:08
keriofreemangordon: sorry for your loss in shipping deals23:08
DocScrutinizer05wtf is going on with donations for board?  they get less instead more, iirc this total been ~2800 a week ago23:08
freemangordonactually there is a cost some 400 km from here23:09
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: -24923:09
keriovBulletin License purchase23:09
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: they paid for some license23:09
vi_I will find my order and find the battery I ordered.  You know the chinese will rip off a rip-off whle rip-off themselves.23:09
DocScrutinizer05ooh, that's in with the donations?23:10
teotwakiI don't see the point of paying for vbulletin.23:10
freemangordonboth credits and debits23:10
teotwakiI mean seriously.23:10
freemangordonteotwaki: we run out of time23:10
teotwakiFunny, I'm watching "Timeout"23:10
freemangordonno timeout for TMO :)23:11
teotwakiAnyway, freemangordon, running out of time?23:11
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freemangordonreggie said he'll shut down TMO around 20 Jan23:11
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: migrating to a free solution 'costs' us way more than the license23:11
teotwakisardinimoi-away: please deactivate your stupid away nicknames.23:11
freemangordonnot time to find FOSS solution and to migrate23:11
DocScrutinizer05and not 'around' but 01-20 the latest23:12
freemangordonwhile keeping the functionality intact. at least that's my understanding23:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:23:13
teotwakiI'm fairly sure SMF has converters for every version of vB available.23:13
freemangordonteotwaki: there are some custom plugins aiui23:13
DocScrutinizer05we got proprietary plugins23:13
freemangordonhmm, actually doc knows better then me :)23:14
DocScrutinizer05anyway even conversion is not an option when low on manpower and stuff *has* to work23:14
DocScrutinizer05it's a silly 2xx $23:15
DocScrutinizer05how much do you take the hour?23:15
teotwakiFree, for
DocScrutinizer05deal, but not for tmo, for admin23:16
teotwakiI've paid those 250 many times over in bandwidth.23:17
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DocScrutinizer05whatever, Reggie helps on migration, given we use vBulletin23:17
DocScrutinizer05it's just playing safe23:18
DocScrutinizer05we'll atckle that issue later, when migration is done and everything running just like (or better than) before23:19
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