IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-12-26

kerioor, well, NOTREALLYABUG00:01
FIQ|n900kerio: elaborate00:01
keriopsx4m-gui adds the /home/opt directory00:02
keriowhich is already there, so it's ok00:02
kerioso, on delete dpkg tries to delete it00:02
keriobut it fails, because there's also something else there00:02
kerioso it's ok00:02
keriobecause there's *always* something there00:02
DocScrutinizer05errnope, I was able to login00:02
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: ok, but I can't register00:03
FIQ|n900kerio: hmm00:03
keriolike /usr/share/fonts, in a standard install00:03
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FIQ|n900so it shouldn't be reported then?00:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: dafaq, when /home/opt doesn't exist, it's nonsense if a package creates it, since it's supposed to be a symlink from /opt00:04
kerioat best it's "bad form" imo00:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: dafaq are you saying00:05
kerio/home/opt is the actual directory00:05
kerio/opt is the bindmount00:05
DocScrutinizer05packages aren't supposed to create system stuff00:05
DocScrutinizer05nor delete it00:05
FIQ|n900you guys are conflicting..00:05
kerioas i said, bad form00:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: what I said00:06
FIQ|n900speaking of bad form00:06
FIQ|n900I also got this00:06
kerioFIQ|n900: i suppose that the bug is that it uses /home/opt instead of /opt00:06
FIQ|n900dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/user/.config/Team16/psx4m' not empty so not removed.00:06
keriothat's even more bad form, yes00:06
FIQ|n900should removal really fiddle with user directory?00:06
keriopackages shouldn't put stuff in /home, really00:06
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: and no pkg is supposed to delete /bin or /usr/bin, nor /opt, and for sure not /home/opt00:07
infobotFIQ|n900 meant: should install really fiddle with user directory?00:07
FIQ|n900..package installs, that is00:07
FIQ|n900kerio: I've noticed another thing regarding software created by team16 (i.e. emulators)00:07
DocScrutinizer05hell, this pkg has no idea where *my* 7opt actually lives!00:08
kerioit's packaged like crap because they don't know wtf they're doing?00:08
FIQ|n900They seem to chmod 777 *everything* they create00:08
keriohahaha wat00:08
kerioFIQ|n900: why are you even considering their packages?00:08
FIQ|n900kerio: because there wasn't another option.. except possibly creating my own package00:08
FIQ|n900the software is good00:09
kerioit's a ps1 emulator on a n90000:09
FIQ|n900the packaging is bogus00:09
keriothe best option is to not use it00:09
keriobecause it's going to be disappointing00:09
FIQ|n900kerio: I've already been00:09
FIQ|n900hence removal00:09
FIQ|n900Their ported GBA emulator on the other hand worked perfectly, but has same strange packaging issues00:10
kerioinstalling in /home/opt is definetely a bug actually00:10
FIQ|n900(just as ps1 emulator had)00:10
DocScrutinizer05those guys should do 2 years on windows3.11, as a punishment for their packaging00:10
kerioit wouldn't be punishment, they'd feel fine00:11
DocScrutinizer05probably they're actually doing that all the time :-o00:11
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kerioalso installing what i think are default settings from the package00:13
kerioinstead of having them somewhere and copying them in the user directory00:13
DocScrutinizer05I don't need to hear more about that00:14
DocScrutinizer05I already found right drawer for those "maintainers"00:14
DocScrutinizer05nothing you could add will change that drawer they're in00:14
FIQ|n900kerio: regarding ps1 emulation, I used an earlier made ps1 emulator which actually worked w/minor slowdown before, I tried this one mostly because users seemed to like it but it was actually worse (it ran fullspeed but with horrible sound and MAJOR random slowdowns every now and then) :p00:15
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infobotjrtools is, like,
* FIQ|n900 messed up his xchat config00:19
FIQ|n900time to copy/paste someone's :300:19
FIQ|n900kerio: /opt is bindmount to /home/opt00:23
FIQ|n900or whoever said it was the opposite00:23
DocScrutinizer05nobody said the opposite00:25
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DocScrutinizer05I said symlink though, i guess00:25
DocScrutinizer05which doesn't matter after all00:26
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you said the opposite, you said that /home/opt is supposed to be a symlink from /opt00:26
keriowait, symlink *from*?00:27
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DocScrutinizer05yeah FROM00:28
DocScrutinizer05I.E /opt is the symlink00:28
DocScrutinizer05pointing to 7home/opt00:28
FIQ|n900when is migration done btw?00:28
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DocScrutinizer05when it's done00:28
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink"00:28
DocScrutinizer05we got no clear ETA00:29
FIQ|n900hi lnxmen00:29
lnxmenI can't save my photos...00:29
kerioafter a recent cssu update?00:29
lnxmenmaybe, week ago I upgrade everything00:30
DocScrutinizer05kerio: wtf are you telling?00:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the camera-ui issue that people who broke stuff in ~ had00:30
merlin1991lnxmen: recent cssu update was today, so can't be that00:30
DocScrutinizer05I don't care00:30
merlin1991but there's that ofc :)00:30
DocScrutinizer05you told "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink"00:30
keriothat's what you said00:31
kerioa symlink can't be "from"00:31
DocScrutinizer05ORLY?? BS!00:31
FIQ|n900sorry for unknowingly trolling the channel00:31
kerioFIQ|n900: nah, it's just me00:31
FIQ|n900merlin1991: is thumb updated?00:31
FIQ|n900well I was the one who started it..00:32
kerioFIQ|n900: not yet00:32
DocScrutinizer05home/opt is symlinked from /opt00:32
DocScrutinizer05^^^true correct statement00:33
DocScrutinizer05well, on maemo it's indeed mount -bind00:33
lnxmenAny ideas about my problem?00:33
FIQ|n900lnxmen: it might have been caused by a semi recent cssu update00:34
keriolnxmen: what's the content of your /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs file?00:34
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: check what's your setting for camera storage00:34
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DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: might point to non-existing uSD00:34
lnxmenI haven't this file00:35
keriolnxmen: why? :s00:35
FIQ|n900lnxmen: are you on cssu?00:35
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: then that's your problem I guess00:36
lnxmenDocScrutinizer05: I can't check my setting for camera storage...00:36
lnxmencssu? I didn't install it...00:37
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: if you're missing that file, you don't need to check your settings in camera. Just out of curiosity: why can't you check that setting?00:38
FIQ|n900Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and somek site... any idea what I'm talking about?00:38
infobotFIQ|n900 meant: Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and some site... any idea what I'm talking about?00:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just to be sure, can you check if you have that file on t900?00:38
DocScrutinizer05I have it00:38
DocScrutinizer05on iroN90000:39
lnxmenbecause setting file doesn't exist?00:39
DocScrutinizer05t900 duh, wouldn't bother to check, tbh00:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: which one is the stock one?00:39
DocScrutinizer05well, t900 is the pr1.2+ stock one00:40
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: well, a simple shellscript allowing me to paste stdin to a pastebin site :P00:40
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: yeah, that stuff tends to break for me every 3 months, so I have to get a new script from somewhere00:40
DocScrutinizer05a few days ago I found kde's taskbar pastebinner00:41
DocScrutinizer05on N900 I had pastebinit for long time, I guess it's broken now00:41
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it00:43
FIQ|n900seems to be in repos00:43
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs00:44
DocScrutinizer05THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API.
FIQ|n900worked fine00:44
FIQ|n900for me it worked00:44
DocScrutinizer05I should update it00:45
DocScrutinizer05  Installed: 1.1-2maemo000:45
DocScrutinizer05  Candidate: 1.1-2maemo000:45
DocScrutinizer05I should enable devel repo :-S00:45
kerioyou should :D00:46
FIQ|n900 is my userdirs also00:46
kerioFIQ|n900: same here00:46
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DocScrutinizer05GOD! that takes longer than africa-erope geotectonic merge00:50
jaskawell, thats less than proton decay00:50
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lnxmenhmm if I save it - will it work?00:52
lnxmenI mean user-dirs.dirs00:53
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: probably00:54
DocScrutinizer05wow, it finally displays those 9 updates00:57
lnxmenAt the moment it doesn't work. Should I reboot my N900?00:57
DocScrutinizer05so this were like 10min for enabling extras catalog and listing updates00:57
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: probably00:58
DocScrutinizer05at least those values are meant to be shell env00:58
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FredrIQ|n900I cp-ed a directory from ~ to mydocs00:59
FredrIQ|n900It proceed to copy stuff01:00
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FredrIQ|n900Then suddenly the whole system froze01:00
FredrIQ|n900and now my time is set to show 12h clock01:00
lnxmenStill doesn't work -,-01:00
FredrIQ|n900I fail to see the relevance here01:00
FredrIQ|n900between 12h clock and cp-ing a usermade directory01:00
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FIQ|n900Everything else was unchanged but this setting01:02
FIQ|n900It doesn't make any sense for me01:02
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: weird things happen01:02
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: lemme put it this way: probably that setting is stored in a gconf key01:02
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs01:03
FIQ|n900this gconf thing01:03
DocScrutinizer05thanks a lot :-D01:03
FIQ|n900reminds me of windows registry01:03
DocScrutinizer05it actually *is*01:03
FIQ|n900..not just by randomly breaking, but the structure of it01:03
DocScrutinizer05didn't you know gnome is a copy of windows?01:04
FIQ|n900I don't use gnome :p01:04
FIQ|n900DE, that is01:04
FIQ|n900and don't want to think of it too much01:04
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DocScrutinizer05that's why I start to frown as soon as any tool starts with a 'g'01:05
FIQ|n900but ehm01:05
FIQ|n900so how much of the system is stored in the wannabe windows registry?01:05
FIQ|n900I know the hold=sym thing is01:06
lnxmenwhat about reinstall camera soft?01:06
FIQ|n900but how much of system config is01:06
lnxmenwith blessn900 pictures can be stored01:09
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DocScrutinizer05please check your storage location setting in camera-ui01:10
lnxmenwhere can I check this?01:10
DocScrutinizer05in stock camera it's the icon lower left the second01:11
DocScrutinizer05next to counter for "free" pictures01:12
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lnxmenfree pictures for me is equal to 001:16
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lnxmenmy storage setting is shadowed01:17
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, now that's weird01:20
DocScrutinizer05do you have a uSD inserted?01:20
FredrIQ|n900\nick FIQ|n90001:20
lnxmenDocScrutinizer05: nope01:20
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DocScrutinizer05could you?01:21
lnxmenNo I haven't01:21
lnxmenLastly I had inserted to check this slot01:22
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: please paste the output of ~# ls -ld /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/01:22
lnxmenAnd I didn't make any pictures from this time01:22
lnxmenI did some pictures01:23
lnxmenso something should be in this path01:23
lnxmenjust a moment01:24
lnxmendrwxrwxrwx    2 user     root        65536 Dec 25 22:37 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/01:26
DocScrutinizer05echo foo >/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x01:26
lnxmenfrom root?01:26
DocScrutinizer05from user01:26
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DocScrutinizer05ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x01:27
lnxmenecho foo... works without message01:28
DocScrutinizer05o.O Dec 25 22:37 ??01:28
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DocScrutinizer05what did you do at 22:37?01:28
lnxmenI don't know01:28
lnxmenN900 Clock show me '00:28'01:29
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DocScrutinizer05seems this directory didn't exist before, so no wonder camera couldn't store pics to it01:29
lnxmennope, it existed01:30
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lnxmenI have some photos maked 20 days ago01:31
DocScrutinizer05in that dir?01:31
lnxmen27 Nov01:31
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lnxmen5 Dec x201:31
lnxmen11 Dec01:31
lnxmenand x file  - today01:32
FIQ|n900something fiddled with the perms?01:32
DocScrutinizer05please do ~# killall camera-ui01:32
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FIQ|n900(or someone)01:32
lnxmenfrom root :D01:32
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: perms are ok'ish01:32
DocScrutinizer05then restart/open camera and check if you could take pictures01:33
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HurrianAnyone know where the Maemo 5 QEMU images are?01:33
HurrianI downloaded the Qt SDK and they're still nowhere to be found.01:33
lnxmenstill I can't01:34
FIQ|n900"maemo 5 qemu" "qt sdk"01:34
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FIQ|n900doesn't maemo 5 use scratchbox?01:34
DocScrutinizer05oops, you need root to do the killall camera-ui01:34
lnxmenI know01:34
lnxmenI did it by root01:34
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DocScrutinizer05I'm short of simple ideas01:35
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: you said as root earlier :p01:35
DocScrutinizer05strace camera-ui01:35
HurrianFIQ|n900, there's a QEMU image included with the Qt SDK for emulation purposed01:35
FIQ|n900can't camera-ui show some kind of error?01:35
lnxmenI need to install strace yet...01:35
FIQ|n900@ DocScrutinizer0501:35
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lnxmenthis command from user whether root?01:36
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FIQ|n900Hurrian: now that's an interesting substitution01:37
HurrianFIQ|n900, meh, quite sleepy.01:37
FIQ|n900but ok01:37
HurrianI cannot, for the life of me find the Maemo 5 QEMU images :(01:38
lnxmen by root01:40
lnxmenshould I create this directories?01:41
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DocScrutinizer05dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui01:44
lnxmenwithout errors01:45
lnxmenby root01:45
HurrianFIQ|n900: I'm looking for something like this, but IIRC there's a Fremantle image built by Nokia built just for running inside QEMU.01:45
lnxmenstill nothing -,-01:46
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DocScrutinizer05dsmetool kills your default camera-ui01:47
DocScrutinizer05then you can start a new one as user01:48
DocScrutinizer05 /usr/bin/camera-ui01:48
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FIQ|n900Hurrian: sorry I haven't used qt sdk, but perhaps can help (ctrl-f "qemu")01:48
Hurrianeven the new Nokia Qt SDK doesn't include Fremantle emulator images.01:48
DocScrutinizer05if you're lucky it will spit out something to stdout, though I doubt it will, since it's actually /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch that gets started, via maemo-launcher01:48
lnxmenDocScrutinizer05: I know, and I started this from menu01:48
nox-Hurrian, maybe they're in the vmdk.s like
DocScrutinizer05maemo-launcher spans a new process, which load camera-ui.launch as a "dll", then the process renames itself to camera-ui01:50
DocScrutinizer05~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/camera-ui01:50
DocScrutinizer05lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Nov 10 06:00 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker01:50
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DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: your strace only shown that maemo-invoker passing environment vars to the maemo-launcher01:52
lnxmenso what I should log for you?01:52
nox-Hurrian, i have it ~maemo/.madde/0.6.72/runtimes/rx51-fremantle-pr1201:52
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Hurriannox-, ooh, that's nice.01:56
lnxmenCzyszczenie z plików konfiguracyjnych dla camera-ui ... // settings removed01:57
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: that's actually not simple01:57
Hurrianhmm, let's see if any newer MADDE includes Fremantle PR1.3.01:58
DocScrutinizer05something along the line of strace -p `pidof maemo-launcher`  <-doesn't work01:58
lnxmenso you mind my camera  won't be working until I buy a card?01:59
FIQ|n900lnxmen: is mydocs formatted as fat32?01:59
lnxmenI didn't change format02:00
lnxmenso probably yes02:01
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DocScrutinizer05I just did a ps|grep camera02:03
DocScrutinizer05anmd then a strace -p <pid-of-1st-cmaera-process> -p <pid-2nd-cam-pr>02:03
DocScrutinizer05then I opened shutter, and clicked the storage selector icon in camera-ui02:04
DocScrutinizer05I guess you should be able to find the file syscall that returns error, by this method02:04
DocScrutinizer05of course you might want to set some filters to strace, to reduce the spamming02:05
DocScrutinizer05and -s 10002:06
lnxmenit's mine02:07
lnxmenwithout filters02:07
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DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: I see your camera-ui process never tries to access MyDocs/DCIM, but it tries to access /media/mmc1/02:12
DocScrutinizer05are you sure you can't change storage location to "local" or "on device" or whatever it's called?02:12
lnxmenit's shadowed02:12
FIQ|n900can't he do a hackish solution and symlink? if lnxmen doesn't have an sd card anyway02:13
FIQ|n900(as a last resort if nothing works)02:14
DocScrutinizer05I guess there must be a location where this setting gets stored02:14
lnxmenbut my user-dirs.dirs file didn't exist02:14
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FIQ|n900i believe that's a cssu-only file, isn't it?02:14
lnxmenI don't know ;d02:15
lnxmenmay I install cssu?02:15
lnxmenthen this setting will be in user-dirs02:15
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lnxmenwhat do you think?02:17
lnxmenand what about hackish solution?02:17
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: I don't think so, since I got that file in my backup from times where I moved my now-to-be-develdev t900 to this one02:19
FIQ|n900hmmm ok02:19
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:19
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 236 2009-10-08 09:57 /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:19
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: make sure your file looks correct02:20
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# md5sum ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:20
DocScrutinizer05858b04d5ed0749b9e42b82c1c73bcc14  /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:20
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:21
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 236 2009-10-08 10:13 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:21
FIQ|n900same md5sum02:22
DocScrutinizer05sorry, i'm short of ideas then02:22
FIQ|n900lnxmen: your file is missing?02:22
lnxmenI created this file02:22
FIQ|n900 in ~/.config/user#irs.dirs02:23
FIQ|n900 in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs02:23
DocScrutinizer05first question: WTF is it missing first instance?02:23
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lnxmenI think 'ln' will help me xD02:24
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644?02:24
lnxmenbut it's stupid solution02:24
DocScrutinizer05you can't ln from fat3202:24
DocScrutinizer05and what do you want to ln to where anyway?02:25
lnxmenln -s /.../DCIM /media/mmc ?02:25
DocScrutinizer05:shrug: try it02:25
DocScrutinizer05I doubt it will help though02:26
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings02:27
FIQ|n900[01:24:23] <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644?02:27
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: ^^ FIQ|n900 meant to you, not to him02:28
DocScrutinizer05lnxmen: your file is user users 644?02:28
lnxmenuser root02:29
lnxmenas I remember02:29
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: sorry for confusing you :p02:29
DocScrutinizer05gconftool -g /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device02:29
DocScrutinizer051=internal, 0=uSD02:30
DocScrutinizer05I doubt it will, though02:30
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DocScrutinizer05particularly it won't help to change that value when camera-ui process running02:33
FIQ|n900uh it's set at internal already?02:34
DocScrutinizer05setting it by ~# gconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 102:34
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DocScrutinizer05then killall -9 camera-ui02:35
DocScrutinizer05might help02:35
lnxmenyes, it works02:36
lnxmenthank you02:37
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DocScrutinizer05err what?02:37
lnxmengconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 1 // xD02:37
lnxmenkillall cam02:37
lnxmenand start cam02:38
lnxmenand I can take pictures now02:38
DocScrutinizer05my xmess gift for you ;-)02:38
lnxmenbut I lost some other options02:39
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lnxmenanyway thank you :)02:39
DocScrutinizer05the missing link: gconftool -R /|less02:39
DocScrutinizer05you lost other options? please elaborate02:40
lnxmenhmm setting iso02:40
lnxmencolours settings02:41
lnxmendistance from camera to object02:41
lnxmenand some others02:41
DocScrutinizer05that's never been parts of stock cameraui02:41
DocScrutinizer05well, ISO is in wrench icon02:43
DocScrutinizer05distance to object definitely never been in stock, it's part of CSSU-T nicocam02:43
DocScrutinizer05I guess somehow you rolled back from CSSU-T to stock, and that's all been result of that02:44
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DocScrutinizer05did you "uninstall" CSSU-T?02:45
lnxmenpossible ;]02:45
DocScrutinizer05that would explain why your file been gone02:45
DocScrutinizer05pali, I summon you!02:46
DocScrutinizer05I honestly think we shouldn't ship this uninstaller02:46
DocScrutinizer05it's a huger task to get that right than installing CSSU02:47
DocScrutinizer05and basically nobody ever using it02:47
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DocScrutinizer05and if somebody uses it, we see all sorts of weird error reports that eat our precious devel time for helpdesk tasks02:48
DocScrutinizer05so damn nuke that cssu uninstaller, pretty please!02:48
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DocScrutinizer05a function that introduces monster complexity and opportunities for bugs, while not really delivering on any improved user experience02:49
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DocScrutinizer05same with all those (admittedly deactivated) repositories in HAM02:50
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* DocScrutinizer05 prepares for some loving spanking of pali ;-)02:52
FIQ|n900the proper way of uninstalling cssu: backupmenu restore02:53
DocScrutinizer05or reflash02:54
DocScrutinizer05as is written in THE BOOK02:54
DocScrutinizer05err on02:54
infobotcssu is, like,
DocScrutinizer05I gave that instruction quite a good thought, to make it 'perfect'02:55
merlin1991and they ended up bloated02:55
merlin1991(just sayin)02:55
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Lava_Croftthe proper way is a reflash, the smart way is backupmenu :)03:02
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merlin1991one day I'll look into backmenu source so I can give it the cssu approved stamp :D03:03
Lava_Croftto be honest, i prefer a reflash purely because of 'feelings'03:03
Lava_Croftit just feels better to me03:03
Lava_Croftbut backupmenu surely is the smarter way :)03:04
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: BLOATED?03:07
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: one day you'll notice that BM for whatever weird reasons shouldn't get shipped via extras, and you'll include it to CSSU repo03:08
merlin1991I bet it replaces some system files ;)03:09
DocScrutinizer05please suggest wtf we could scratch on
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DocScrutinizer05those are not from me03:10
DocScrutinizer05at least the first one wasn't03:11
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DocScrutinizer05I might have added the second one since first one was poor03:11
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Lava_CroftI seem to get differing font spacing03:12
DocScrutinizer05I basically dislike the videos as well, esp in that prominent position03:12
Lava_Croftfirst 2 alineas have different spacing compared to the 3rd03:12
Lava_Croftk, badly spoken, first 2 chapters have bad spacing03:12
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Lava_Croftor at least different from the 'Installation' chapter03:12
DocScrutinizer05seems the bullets change line spacing03:14
Lava_Croftyeah, this is what i see in Chrome on win703:14
Lava_Croftweird that the direct link didnt work03:15
Lava_Croftoh well03:15
Lava_Croftworks fine here03:15
DocScrutinizer05pretty much identical to what I see in konqueror03:15
Lava_Croftoh, no other browsers here, quite fresh install03:16
Lava_Croftnot counting MSIE of course03:16
Lava_Croftlets open MSIE03:16
DocScrutinizer05the bottom of page is quite a bit more funny though03:16
Lava_Crofti know what it will do03:16
Lava_Croftit will do the same thing as always03:16
Lava_Croftlook sad at me and ask me to make him the default browser03:17
Lava_Croftand i have to be all tough again03:17
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DocScrutinizer05I guess this isn't even caused by the red read-only notice, but actually by the sql error msg triggered by hits counter (I guess)03:18
DocScrutinizer05umm nope, counter displays fine03:19
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DocScrutinizer05HAH, probably *updating* the counter triggers that error msg that comes with full standard page header03:20
* Lava_Croft rolls his eyes03:20
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DocScrutinizer05UPDATE command denied to user 'wikiuser_ro'@'wml0234' for table 'mw_site_stats'03:20
merlin1991ah well :D03:21
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if Nemein ever going to release that writelock03:24
DocScrutinizer05eventually they should get finished with moving to the vservers, then just edit the DNS records and put the whole thing to (yet borked) original state again03:25
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DocScrutinizer05or even run the vservers on a secondary domain, for testing purposes, for some days03:26
DocScrutinizer05before switching DNS records03:26
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DocScrutinizer05maybe they already do????03:26
DocScrutinizer05lemme do a few wild guesses what secondary domain they'd pick for that03:27
ShadowJKheh, tmo is still hosted by reggie?03:28
ShadowJKi thought that was getting migrated earlier03:28
DocScrutinizer05it will migrate as soon as nemein provides a fresh and virgin vserver03:29
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DocScrutinizer05though thinking about it, Rambo said he'll see what he can do03:29
DocScrutinizer05board uttered "tmo moves to infra" in one of their meeting minutes. NFC if they had further 'sekrit' conversations with nemein03:31
DocScrutinizer05they oughtn't since they were supposed to inform their admin (-coordinator) at very least if they had03:32
DocScrutinizer05IOW me03:32
* thedead1440 wonders what isnt 'sekrit' these days03:33
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merlin1991damn why isn't all the db user stuff in sql standardiced03:36
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DocScrutinizer05the somewhat schizoid situation however is that they tend to not inform me, or council at large, sometimes. OTOH they ask for help, and same time suggest I shouldn't talk to anybody without their consent03:36
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I had a nice chat with brkn :-)03:58
DocScrutinizer05of course sekrit ;-P03:59
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: thanks again for the incredibly helpful work you both guys did!04:00
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robbiethe1stHey, he followed up and got me to find my N770 key and(when that failed) my fiasco files, so...04:02
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, doers not talkers, exactly the kind of guys you need in a crisis04:03
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05, yup he told me about it in sekrit :p04:04
* robbiethe1st ends up being more of a procrastinator... in some cases.04:04
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DocScrutinizer05they both pretty correctly estimated the situation at large, and decided to do their own thing without getting too much involved in the general madness04:04
robbiethe1stMajor points to them, yup.04:05
DocScrutinizer05brkn even *is* admin!04:06
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05, and a pretty good one ;)04:11
DocScrutinizer05yeah, a real admin :-D04:11
DocScrutinizer05the first one involved into the whole migration tragedy04:11
DocScrutinizer05except Nemein guys of course, but I'm not sure how much they feel involved into that04:12
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DocScrutinizer05I'd hope to get a hold of Bergie after xmas and ask him about that04:14
thedead1440well nobody is sure about them anyway ;)04:14
DocScrutinizer05well, they got a business to run, it's not like they are doing this for mere fun of it04:15
thedead1440no phone calls possible? i mean if virtual communications are taking time a call to put the record straight seems better04:15
DocScrutinizer05so it's more the question what they can offer and how much they are inclined to go out of their way04:15
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I'll check all this during next 2-3 days04:16
DocScrutinizer05indeed email is a bit clumsy for negotiations about stuff like semi-funding04:17
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thedead1440its about getting the message across; I'm slightly old-school but i always feel nothing conveys a proper message like a phone call04:18
thedead1440Via virtual comms it takes time to understand true intentions IMO04:19
DocScrutinizer05the only problem with this: I'm slightly hearing-impaired when it comes to phonecalls04:19
thedead1440You are an EE; you must have already had a work-around for it :D04:20
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DocScrutinizer05and nothing creates greater confusion and uncertainty than a phonecall where neither end understands the other, but both pretend they did04:21
thedead1440haha i can imagine that04:22
AoyagiThat sounds like the internet.04:22
DocScrutinizer05a nice irc chat is almost better than a talk face to face04:23
DocScrutinizer05in a talk you'd never ask "do I sense sarcasm?"04:23
DocScrutinizer05in a chat you're the one to blame when you don't ask04:23
DocScrutinizer05plus you can think as long as you like about what to answer, you can read the last 10 or 20 posts again, you got a protocol of what everybody said04:26
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: don't you ever sleep?05:01
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DocScrutinizer05sleep is overrated05:04
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iluminator105kerio, hey06:58
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int_uadoes anyone have drlaunch widget on desktop with icon size <60px and > 8x4 grid? Isn't it crashing?09:17
int_ua>= 8x409:17
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Siceloi'm a bit confused.. does N900's cortex a8 support armhf, or only armel?10:24
Siceloi would believe the answer is yes (judging from cat /proc/cpuinfo).10:24
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Siceloi see thumbee and vfpv310:26
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uncloudedSicelo, suggests that N900 CPU does support armhf10:40
Sicelokel. thanks10:41
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XATRIXHi guys, Is there any way to save a list of installed software and reinstall it with one command later on ?11:05
XATRIXDon't want to spend +2 days for installation11:05
Sicelobackup is one :P11:06
thedead1440if you have all your .deb files just cd to their folder and do dpkg -i *.deb11:06
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Sicelostock backup, i meant.11:07
XATRIXthedead1440: interesting idea11:09
XATRIXSicelo: backup means to save all the software i have now11:09
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XATRIXI need to wipe a bit of crap :)11:09
XATRIXAnd reinstall only the software i really need11:09
Siceloah, thought you wanted everything back11:10
Sicelothere's also, of course, dpkg set selections11:11
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kerioiluminator105: morning11:51
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kerioXATRIX: well, there's dpkg --get-selections12:12
XATRIXhm...ok will try to look at12:12
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keriothe Backup program can also do that12:17
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tommisanybody can tell how to rebind keys on DeNokSnes?13:15
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gryhello, do nokia employees stick around here?13:49
freemangordonso far i've seen only romaxa to join 1-2 times, but he is ex-13:50
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: that's exactly what stock backup enables13:51
keriowhy, what do you need?13:51
XATRIXcause i'm gonna reflash my device13:51
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to restore13:52
grykerio: it's something slightly urgent and confidential, unrelated to the OS itself (if I find one, I would probably rather talk in query)13:52
DocScrutinizer05s/to restore/to install again/13:52
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to install again13:52
kerioi see13:52
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: will it really restore a files , or do a reinstall app ?13:52
DocScrutinizer05apps get reinstalled, configs restored13:53
XATRIXSounds if what i need13:53
kerioXATRIX: if you only flash COMBINED and then restore a Backup backup, you should get everything back as it was13:53
DocScrutinizer05you're screwed if the apps are not available anymore in the repo you once oulled them from13:54
kerioor if the repo isn't available anymore13:54
DocScrutinizer05that's implied, no?13:54
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keriobut until we pass the migration i'll be scared of that13:55
DocScrutinizer05that's why I mentioned it13:55
grykerio: (someone who can walk to the Nokia headquarters might also be better than nothing)13:55
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DocScrutinizer05so better make a BM backup as well13:55
kerioto be fair, merlin1991 should already have a backup ready to go13:55
XATRIXI installed some testing,unstable crap to play with, so now i will do a full_flash13:56
freemangordonkerio: even if he has, ha cannot distribute it13:56
XATRIXI mean eMMC + rootfs13:56
freemangordonkerio: BTW launch your HAM and refresh13:56
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* kerio runs apt-get update13:57
* kerio runs apt-get upgrade13:57
* XATRIX runs apt-get dist-upgrade13:57
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freemangordontoo little, too late :D13:59
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keriofreemangordon: ok, updated gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend and installed rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait14:00
kerio(i already had everything else from yesterday)14:00
DocScrutinizer05~spank kerio14:01
* infobot bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks.14:01
freemangordonkerio: yep14:01
XATRIXfreemangordon: ok, installed new Squeeze ;-D14:01
keriofreemangordon: asking HAM wouldn't help me, i don't have the metapackage14:02
freemangordonkerio: why?14:02
freemangordonXATRIX: great14:02
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I thought YOU were the majestic dpkg-divert wizard that eats apt configs for breakfast. And now YOU give up on MP because of procps???14:07
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't i give up on MP?14:09
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DocScrutinizer05you know what apt-get upgrade would give me? ~250 upgraded pkgs from extras-devel, some of which I DAFACK DO NOT WANT14:10
keriowhy not? :(14:10
kerioalso, pin it to priority 40014:11
grykerio: sorry, are you located in Finland please?14:12
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DocScrutinizer05bold italian14:12
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int_uaDocScrutinizer05: I think I have upgraded from -devel...14:18
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freemangordonhmm, seems like opera no longer crashes with latest CSSU14:23
freemangordonopera12 that is14:23
kerioit used to not crash before14:26
keriocssu is unrelated, it was an opera server-side thing14:26
freemangordonkerio: it was crashing for me when not on wifi till yesterday14:31
thedead1440funny thing is how opera subliminally added 3 bookmarks on speed dial across all versions including android and there was no uproar14:31
thedead1440its as if user privacy is non-existent14:32
keriothedead1440: well, nobody cares about opera14:32
thedead1440actually on android many do14:32
kerioi meant in general, as a joke14:32
thedead1440yup true14:32
kerioanyway, i don't think adding a bookmark or three is a big deal14:32
freemangordonthedead1440: android and privacy? are you kidding me? :P14:32
keriowhy would it be a privacy issue?14:34
thedead1440well you close the browser14:34
thedead1440then the next time you open it there are 3 additional bookmarks nos 1-314:34
thedead1440on your speed dial14:34
thedead1440without my consent14:34
kerioand why is it a privacy issue?14:35
thedead1440well its just a consent thing14:35
freemangordonkerio: the fact that this is supposed to be controlled by you, not by a third party14:35
freemangordonand by "control" i mean not only bookmarks14:36
freemangordonthe can upload the whole filesystem, can't they?14:36
freemangordonwhat is not clear - opera has tools to remotely change stuff on your device14:37
freemangordondo you think thise are write-only?14:38
freemangordonthe fuck14:38
keriothere are ToS you accepted to use opera14:39
thedead1440if it was a new version it could still be forgiven but to do it at random shows they are not transparent when asking for user permissions during installation i.e. we can remotely control your browser14:39
freemangordondid you read it?14:39
kerioi'm not the one complaining14:40
freemangordonkerio: noone complains really14:40
thedead1440when you install on Android you are told what permissions an app is give; no where is remote access stated for opera14:40
freemangordonkerio: it is just not "fair", thus the discussion14:40
thedead1440its not about just complaining its about intentions and transparency; aren't opera supposed to be one of the better companies? To do this subliminally is not the right way of doing things14:41
freemangordonyep, this is google's way14:42
thedead1440even the maemo and harmattan versions had the same thing :)14:42
thedead1440imagine freemangordon when issuing a new thumb adds remote access somewhere in the terms who would notice? fair to do so? no!14:43
thedead1440on that note the latest thumb seems faster at adapting between orientations in the phone app :D14:44
* freemangordon plans to open a backdoor on kerio's device and to wipe all pr0n from it :P14:44
kerioi'd be more worried about the security of running arbitrary code14:45
keriobut i doubt it's actually arbitrary and not authenticated14:45
freemangordonkerio: and that's exactly what happens. opera updates several hundreds of KB .js code once a week14:45
kerioyeah but what can that code do?14:46
freemangordonjs? whatever you like14:46
keriois it signed? is it run sandboxed?14:46
kerioyes, i am aware that javascript is turing-complete14:46
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kerioi meant what can it do on the system14:46
thedead1440so you read through all the code of the apps, cssu etc you use on the device? is it reasonable for an user to do that even if open-source? i don't think so... there is a certain trust among users and creators after all which opera has abused in this instance14:47
freemangordonkerio: no idea.14:47
keriothedead1440: it's actually fairly hard to slip in a backdoor in an opensource project14:48
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kerioi suppose that one thing you could do is slip in a bug that you know of, that allows for remote execution14:49
keriobut that only works until someone else notices14:49
kerioas a bonus, you have plausible deniability14:49
thedead1440well true but between minor updates its pretty hard for it to be flagged early14:49
keriominor updates are easy to check14:49
thedead1440it works both ways; its minor so people checking might not take it seriously while huge updates you might get more suspicious eyes on it14:50
arvutmeego :)14:50
thedead1440kerio on that note if you think its fine for them to add 3 bookmarks then its fine for them to delete some too?14:51
kerioboth are dick moves, but neither is a privacy issue14:51
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thedead1440depends on the user14:52
thedead1440if you think your bookmarks are sacred and its sacrilegious for someone to tamper with them you wouldn't like it but if you think bookmarks are for all to be tampered with then its fine14:53
thedead1440giving 2 extremes above though so its not absolute examples14:53
freemangordonthedead1440: re rotation in phone - arcean has changed something and labeled it :Faster, without visual glitches, switching to an application in portrait mode from the task navigator.:14:55
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thedead1440i was right; it isn't a placebo only :D14:55
freemangordonalso i thumb built another lib which is statically linked in h-d14:56
kerionow openmediaplayer doesn't rotate properly in the tasknav14:56
freemangordonso it is either of those or a combination14:56
thedead1440ah ok14:56
thedead1440whatever it is; its really nice and THANK YOU!14:56
tadzikuh. I inserd an uSD and modest immediately creates its folders on it. Wtf15:00
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ShadowJKno dcim?16:59
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Lava_Crofttadzik: yes17:12
Lava_Croftthats a bloody annoyance17:12
Lava_Croftmodest creates useless folders17:12
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tadzikdon't we have any influence on the modest development?17:13
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ShadowJKi think it's open source17:43
DocScrutinizer05   \o/17:43
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you mean the wiki login issue? The moment i got the mail i checked the wiki but doesn't even load the login page :S17:44
DocScrutinizer05it's migrated to vservers and fixed on those, but DNS doesn't yet point to those - aiui17:45
DocScrutinizer05much in line what I anticipated / speculated yesterday17:46
thedead1440and Nokia isn't responding on the DNS; whats the chance they only reply after 1st Jan after being back from holidays17:46
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DocScrutinizer05what's the standard way to solve DNS conflicts? open a dispute at registrar?17:47
thedead1440thats going to take a lot of time17:47
DocScrutinizer05ICAN, ROPE, whatever?17:47
thedead1440ICANN i think17:48
DocScrutinizer05It *might* make Nokia move17:48
ShadowJKthat'll take years :)17:48
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DocScrutinizer05ICANN that's it17:48
ShadowJKand disputes will involve the lawyers and everything slows to standstill17:49
Aoyagi might interest you17:49
thedead1440its bureaucracy all the way there17:49
DocScrutinizer05SHITE HELL FIRE BRIMSTONE I thought nemein is in duty of admin-c of those domains17:49
ShadowJKstill nokia :)17:49
ShadowJK"Nokia dnsauthority"17:50
DocScrutinizer05did a whois?17:51
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DocScrutinizer05Admin Phone:+358.71800800017:53
DocScrutinizer05Admin FAX:+358.71803449617:53
ShadowJKdid anyone ask whether nokia would continue providing dns or if we need to setup our own dns server? :)17:54
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DocScrutinizer05Admin Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com17:54
* ShadowJK wouldnt bother trying to contact directly17:55
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: good question, AIUI they offered to simply change the A / AAA records to point to new servers17:55
RST38hShadowJK: Are you sure there is anyone left at Nokia who knows what DNS is?17:55
jaskadot net system!17:55
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ShadowJKRST38h; i was goin to ask whether we know if this is operpating as "hidden master", with the nokia servers slaved to the hidden master17:56
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: so that would in fact mean stays in Nokia's domain17:56
DocScrutinizer05and on NS.NOKIA.COM17:56
kerioeventually they'll transfer that to HF, i hope17:57
DocScrutinizer05I'm not all happy about such solution, but frankly admit it's the lowest effort fastest solution17:57
ShadowJKWell, hf has no dns server to transfer to17:57
keriosure we do, the one server nokia donated :D17:58
DocScrutinizer05that's not a DNS server17:58
DocScrutinizer05get your stuff sorted regarding how DNS works17:58
keriooh i'm sure it's powerful enough to run an instance of bind :)17:58
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter when it's not linked to DNS infra17:59
kerioget the domain NS to be that server17:59
DocScrutinizer05you're not free to open your own DNS server whenever you like17:59
kerio(and specify its address)17:59
ShadowJKSome registrars have cute anti-catch22 policies. The nameserver you want (for example must exist and be resolvable before they agree to change the records from :P17:59
DocScrutinizer05well you are17:59
DocScrutinizer05but then nobody will know about it17:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: NS entries can also specify IP addresses18:01
DocScrutinizer05we might be able to set up a hidden master DNs on servers, with playing slave18:01
DocScrutinizer05but I doubt that will fly18:01
ShadowJKit's a step by step migration process anyway18:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how do you think that nokia got that nameserver?18:01
ShadowJKMany registrars wont do it18:02
kerioShadowJK: so how are you supposed to host your own DNS server with those registrars?18:02
ShadowJKkerio; bootstrap it via some other nameserver18:02
keriooh, k18:03
DocScrutinizer05it's an opt-in "club"18:03
kerioactually, just get freedns to point to your nameserver and use that as the domain nameserver18:03
keriothen change it18:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's nto18:03
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: what do you think how your nameserver doing the resolve of to an IP for your browser you're just using, how that server gets to know about
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kerioit eventually goes to the root servers, which know - by registrar-provided information - that the nameserver for my domain is ns.mydomain.whatevs with address
DocScrutinizer05what do you think is the magic that makes those A and AAA records and whatnot propagate across all the world, that you see on `host -a`18:07
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: nope, it's not exactly "by registrar-provided info", it's responsible NS propagating this info up to next peer NS18:08
DocScrutinizer05until finaly it arrives top level and from there - on request - down again to the whole world18:09
DocScrutinizer05that's what I think I understood of how DNS works18:09
kerioyep, and the root servers know about the responsible NS for the domain because of what the registrar knows18:09
DocScrutinizer05there IS NO registrar18:10
DocScrutinizer05involved in that18:10
keriomy point is that you can even tell *ips* to the registrars18:10
kerioof course there is, who the hell are you supposed to tell what's your nameserver to?18:10
DocScrutinizer05it's all only NS servers18:10
DocScrutinizer05talking to each other18:10
DocScrutinizer05and you need to be part of that network18:11
DocScrutinizer05there's no backdoor to get in, afaik18:11
DocScrutinizer05well, probably you're right that top level NS (ICANN, whoever) eventually adds new records from registrations of domains18:12
DocScrutinizer05but already *is* registered18:12
DocScrutinizer05and NS is
kerioyeah but that NS entry is not only  on
DocScrutinizer05soif we want to change IP of, we need to edit some list on that machine18:14
DocScrutinizer05and from there it propagates to the world18:15
DocScrutinizer05and universe18:15
DocScrutinizer05if you want to change NS responsible for, you need to open a dispute at ICANN18:15
kerioor ask nokia nicely :318:15
DocScrutinizer05or make Nokia hand over the domain to HF18:15
DocScrutinizer05at which point HF needs to run their own NS, and that's not a trivial taks18:16
keriosudo apt-get install bind918:17
kerioand then spend the following two years reading man pages18:17
kerioit's easy!18:17
DocScrutinizer05and managing18:17
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kerioby the way, eventually we'll need to know who gets root access and responsibility for it on the new servers18:19
DocScrutinizer05well, once a time ago that's been me, designated18:20
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DocScrutinizer05in my rolae as administrator-coordinator18:20
DocScrutinizer05at least that's last *official* statement from board18:21
DocScrutinizer05and I officially accepted that duty18:21
DocScrutinizer05I don't know if and how board has maybe changed their mind regarding that18:22
thedead1440oops sorry wrong18:23
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you are the *chosen* one :p18:26
DocScrutinizer05yeah :-S18:26
DocScrutinizer05hi brkn18:28
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freemangordonhmm, seems there is some migration activity going on18:30
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MetalGearSolidOn running u-boot-update-bootmenu with U-Boot 2012.10.rc3-1 I am getting "mkimage: write error on /home/user..."18:54
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kerioMetalGearSolid: what's the ...?19:11
kerioit's kinda important19:11
DocScrutinizer05you're sure you haven't plugged in USB and enabled mass storage?19:13
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DocScrutinizer05since that would unmount MyDocs19:13
keriothat was my first guess :D19:13
DocScrutinizer05NEVER work on device while in mass storage mode ((me ponders to lock the device irreversably with a modal "end mass storage mode" requester))19:15
kerioNEVER enter mass storage mode is how i do it19:15
DocScrutinizer05hehe, works too19:15
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.19:16
DocScrutinizer05err you MUSt NOT work on device while in mass storage mode19:16
DocScrutinizer05SHOULD NOT?19:17
kerioSHOULD NOT, probably19:17
DocScrutinizer05~seen merlin199119:19
infobotmerlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 14h 14m 3s, last said: 'pm'.19:19
kerio~seen merlin199119:19
infobotmerlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: 'hm?'.19:19
kerioheh, idling19:19
DocScrutinizer05s idling for 14h 14m 3s19:20
merlin1991why not? :D19:20
DocScrutinizer05time runs by19:20
kerio~seen kerio19:21
infobotkerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 246 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen kerio'.19:21
DocScrutinizer05seen your /queries ?19:21
keriooh you silly19:21
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: yep talking to him atm19:21
brknnot even remotely true19:22
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MetalGearSolidIts not in mass storage mode and neither is it connected via USB19:31
kerioMetalGearSolid: paste the complete error message for crying out loud19:32
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MetalGearSolidhere u go
DocScrutinizer05>>mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage- Success<< SIC!19:39
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merlin1991kinda contratdicting :D19:40
DocScrutinizer05what now? error, success, or successful error, or faulty success?19:40
MetalGearSolidI have HW rv220419:40
merlin1991that's toally unrelated to that script19:40
MetalGearSolidsame error with U-boot 2012.04 and 2012.10.rc3-119:40
MetalGearSolidIt just quits after that portion19:41
MetalGearSolidno bootmenu.scr is created19:41
DocScrutinizer05might be normal19:41
kerioit's not19:41
DocScrutinizer05bug in script, no doubt19:41
DocScrutinizer05the whole  u-boot-update-bootmenu is broken by concept19:42
DocScrutinizer05it is19:42
kerioevery bootloader does that19:42
MetalGearSolidI had a working u-boot 2012.04 till yesterday19:43
MetalGearSolidI upgraded to 2012.10.rc3-1 and then everything went downhill19:43
DocScrutinizer05every software imports user settings from alternative/previos packages. However that doesn't mean I configure my kmail2 accounts in kmail1.2 then import them19:43
DocScrutinizer05the /etc/bootmenu.d/ is NOT owned by uBoot19:44
kerioit is19:44
DocScrutinizer05so it's WRONG to do genuine uBoot configuration in there19:44
keriowhy does fanoush have more rights than pali?19:45
merlin1991kerio: historically speaking no, there is bootmenu wich had it first19:45
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what about /etc/multiboot.d?19:46
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keriobackwards-compatibility only?19:47
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Neutron19does the N900's skype client still work, or is it broken?20:00
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MetalGearSolidstill works20:04
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SiceloMetalGearSolid: still no luck with u-boot?20:05
MetalGearSolidsadly no20:06
MetalGearSolidI am giving up for now20:06
MetalGearSolidsadly that means no more Archlinux20:06
Siceloyou can load your kernel with flasher :P20:07
Siceloi did that while u-boot wasn't working at all for me (non-2101 hw rev)20:07
MetalGearSolidyeah did that20:07
MetalGearSolidpurget all u-boot stuff and flashed KP5120:08
MetalGearSolidsame here hw rev 2204 .. i heard it has the least luck wid u-boot20:08
Sicelobut the latest was working fine with my 2204 (until yesterday, when i borked things playing with emmc partitions)20:09
MetalGearSolidI don't know what I am doing wrong20:10
MetalGearSolidInstall U-Boot20:10
Sicelowithout u-boot everything boots ok?20:10
MetalGearSolid/boot/ already has the required zImages so did not copy anything there20:10
MetalGearSolidran u-boot-update-boomenu20:10
MetalGearSolidDo i need to create uImage from zImage20:11
MetalGearSolidmanually ?20:11
Sicelonah, uboot does it for you.  and that's not where problem lies20:11
MetalGearSolidlatest error is during update bootmenu when i get this error20:12
Sicelowhat does it say?20:12
MetalGearSolidConfiguration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/20-Maemo5-KP51.item Generating u-boot image for kernel 'zImage-'... mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage- Success20:13
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* Sicelo wonders if your MyDocs is healthy20:13
MetalGearSolidI did scan and fix using someone windows PC20:14
MetalGearSolidon MyDocs20:14
MetalGearSolidi wonder if fsck would make a difference20:14
MetalGearSolidThe error yesterday was different.20:15
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MetalGearSolidYesterday FAM updated only the u-boot-flasher package and not the u-boot-tools20:15
MetalGearSolidupdate-bootmenu worked yesterday except that no new images were created20:16
MetalGearSolidafter all this on reboot u-boot died after "Starting kernel..."20:16
MetalGearSolidso today i purged everything and started again20:17
MetalGearSolidbut this time got stuck during update-bootmenu20:17
kerioMetalGearSolid: have you tried deleting bootmenu.d and bootmenu.scr in MyDocs?20:17
Siceloi would like to see your kp51.item..20:17
Siceloand ls -l zImage...power5120:18
MetalGearSoliditem config file - 20-Maemo5-KP51.item20:20
MetalGearSolid-rw-r--r--    1 root     root           64 Dec 27 01:39 uImage20:21
MetalGearSolid-rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1746688 Jan 16  2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap120:21
MetalGearSolid-rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1770180 Jan 16  2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap1-fb20:21
MetalGearSolid-rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1785760 Jul 23 21:45 zImage-
kerio~seen Pali20:21
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 26m 58s ago, saying: 'working usbnetwork with g_nokia on windows'.20:22
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Sicelolet me install u-boot again & see if i have issues :-/20:23
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* Sc0rpius ywans20:38
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SiceloMetalGearSolid00: you can get the previous u-boot at
kerioMetalGearSolid00: are you sure you're on the latest u-boot-tools?20:39
Neutron19hmm I guess it doesn't support signing in with a microsoft account, which is what I use, so..20:41
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kerioNeutron19: that sucks20:45
kerioyou know what's even worse?20:45
kerioyou have a microsoft account20:45
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-26 19:15:59] <MetalGearSolid> Yesterday FAM updated only the u-boot-flasher package and not the u-boot-tools20:53
DocScrutinizer05HAHA, fapman20:53
DocScrutinizer05and uBoot20:53
DocScrutinizer05don't use fapman for messing with system stuff20:54
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SiceloMetalGearSolid00: not working for me either,20:55
Siceloin fact, DocScrutinizer05, believe it or not, but after reinstalling uboot, i again have no serivvies, eg dnsmasq20:56
kerioafter reinstalling what?20:57
kerioafter flashing uboot?20:57
Sicelohappened yesterday too, heh20:58
Siceloanyway, let me try the u-boot in pali's site..20:58
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* Sicelo gets the feeling that the one in repo isn't exactly the same20:59
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: I wonder which kernel modules might be needed for dnsmasq etc21:01
Sicelogtalk doesn't work either21:03
Siceloand /opt is mounted ok21:03
kerioinstall syslog, boot21:03
Siceloi habe that21:03
keriocheck syslog then :)21:03
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Siceloremoved u-boot, and, of course, things are back to normal, lol21:27
Sicelokerio, you have rev 2204 as well?21:28
kerioi have 210421:28
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Sicelobtw, how do i clear tracker's indexes, and restart it?21:33
keriotracker-processes -r21:33
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Sc0rpiusI wonder if autobuilder works...22:01
freemangordononly wirh dput afaik22:02
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Sc0rpiusso the extras assistant doesn't work?22:07
Sc0rpiusno wonder I've waited hours for a mail to appear22:07
Sc0rpiusok, dput it is.22:07
merlin1991btw did you look further into the modest email crash thingy?22:07
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Sc0rpiusnope :(22:09
Sc0rpiusthere's nobody working in Modest bugs?22:09
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