| kerio | huh? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| kerio | NOTABUG | 00:01 |
| kerio | or, well, NOTREALLYABUG | 00:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: elaborate | 00:01 |
| kerio | psx4m-gui adds the /home/opt directory | 00:02 |
| kerio | which is already there, so it's ok | 00:02 |
| kerio | so, on delete dpkg tries to delete it | 00:02 |
| kerio | but it fails, because there's also something else there | 00:02 |
| kerio | so it's ok | 00:02 |
| kerio | because there's *always* something there | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errnope, I was able to login | 00:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: ok, but I can't register | 00:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: hmm | 00:03 |
| kerio | like /usr/share/fonts, in a standard install | 00:03 |
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| FIQ|n900 | so it shouldn't be reported then? | 00:04 |
| kerio | hmm | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: dafaq, when /home/opt doesn't exist, it's nonsense if a package creates it, since it's supposed to be a symlink from /opt | 00:04 |
| kerio | at best it's "bad form" imo | 00:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: dafaq are you saying | 00:05 |
| kerio | /home/opt is the actual directory | 00:05 |
| kerio | /opt is the bindmount | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | packages aren't supposed to create system stuff | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nor delete it | 00:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | you guys are conflicting.. | 00:05 |
| kerio | as i said, bad form | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what I said | 00:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | speaking of bad form | 00:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | I also got this | 00:06 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: i suppose that the bug is that it uses /home/opt instead of /opt | 00:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/user/.config/Team16/psx4m' not empty so not removed. | 00:06 |
| kerio | that's even more bad form, yes | 00:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | should removal really fiddle with user directory? | 00:06 |
| kerio | packages shouldn't put stuff in /home, really | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: and no pkg is supposed to delete /bin or /usr/bin, nor /opt, and for sure not /home/opt | 00:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/removal/install/ | 00:07 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: should install really fiddle with user directory? | 00:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | ..package installs, that is | 00:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: I've noticed another thing regarding software created by team16 (i.e. emulators) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, this pkg has no idea where *my* 7opt actually lives! | 00:08 |
| kerio | it's packaged like crap because they don't know wtf they're doing? | 00:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | They seem to chmod 777 *everything* they create | 00:08 |
| kerio | hahaha wat | 00:08 |
| kerio | nice | 00:08 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: why are you even considering their packages? | 00:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: because there wasn't another option.. except possibly creating my own package | 00:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | the software is good | 00:09 |
| kerio | it's a ps1 emulator on a n900 | 00:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | the packaging is bogus | 00:09 |
| kerio | the best option is to not use it | 00:09 |
| kerio | because it's going to be disappointing | 00:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: I've already been | 00:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | hence removal | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 00:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | Their ported GBA emulator on the other hand worked perfectly, but has same strange packaging issues | 00:10 |
| kerio | installing in /home/opt is definetely a bug actually | 00:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | (just as ps1 emulator had) | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those guys should do 2 years on windows3.11, as a punishment for their packaging | 00:10 |
| kerio | it wouldn't be punishment, they'd feel fine | 00:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably they're actually doing that all the time :-o | 00:11 |
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| kerio | also installing what i think are default settings from the package | 00:13 |
| kerio | instead of having them somewhere and copying them in the user directory | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need to hear more about that | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already found right drawer for those "maintainers" | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing you could add will change that drawer they're in | 00:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: regarding ps1 emulation, I used an earlier made ps1 emulator which actually worked w/minor slowdown before, I tried this one mostly because users seemed to like it but it was actually worse (it ran fullspeed but with horrible sound and MAJOR random slowdowns every now and then) :p | 00:15 |
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| FIQ|n900 | ~jr-tools | 00:18 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:18 |
| * FIQ|n900 messed up his xchat config | 00:19 | |
| FIQ|n900 | time to copy/paste someone's :3 | 00:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | kerio: /opt is bindmount to /home/opt | 00:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | or whoever said it was the opposite | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody said the opposite | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I said symlink though, i guess | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't matter after all | 00:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you said the opposite, you said that /home/opt is supposed to be a symlink from /opt | 00:26 |
| kerio | wait, symlink *from*? | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah FROM | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E /opt is the symlink | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pointing to 7home/opt | 00:28 |
| FIQ|n900 | when is migration done btw? | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when it's done | 00:28 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" | 00:28 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 00:28 |
| lnxmen | Hello | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got no clear ETA | 00:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 00:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | hi lnxmen | 00:29 |
| lnxmen | I can't save my photos... | 00:29 |
| kerio | after a recent cssu update? | 00:29 |
| lnxmen | maybe, week ago I upgrade everything | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wtf are you telling? | 00:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the camera-ui issue that people who broke stuff in ~ had | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | lnxmen: recent cssu update was today, so can't be that | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care | 00:30 |
| merlin1991 | but there's that ofc :) | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you told "/home/opt is supposed to be a symlink" | 00:30 |
| kerio | that's what you said | 00:31 |
| kerio | a symlink can't be "from" | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY?? BS! | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | uhh | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | sorry for unknowingly trolling the channel | 00:31 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: nah, it's just me | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | merlin1991: is thumb updated? | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | well I was the one who started it.. | 00:32 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: not yet | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | home/opt is symlinked from /opt | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^true correct statement | 00:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | *bindmounted | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, on maemo it's indeed mount -bind | 00:33 |
| lnxmen | Any ideas about my problem? | 00:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: it might have been caused by a semi recent cssu update | 00:34 |
| kerio | lnxmen: what's the content of your /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs file? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: check what's your setting for camera storage | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: might point to non-existing uSD | 00:34 |
| lnxmen | I haven't this file | 00:35 |
| kerio | lnxmen: why? :s | 00:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: are you on cssu? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: then that's your problem I guess | 00:36 |
| lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: I can't check my setting for camera storage... | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | ~curlpaste | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 00:36 |
| lnxmen | cssu? I didn't install it... | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: if you're missing that file, you don't need to check your settings in camera. Just out of curiosity: why can't you check that setting? | 00:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and somek site... any idea what I'm talking about? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paste2pastebin? | 00:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/somek/some/ | 00:38 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: Hm, there's wgetpaste on my desktop (which pastebins stdin), something similar was possible with curl and some site... any idea what I'm talking about? | 00:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just to be sure, can you check if you have that file on t900? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have it | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on iroN900 | 00:39 |
| lnxmen | because setting file doesn't exist? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900 duh, wouldn't bother to check, tbh | 00:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which one is the stock one? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, t900 is the pr1.2+ stock one | 00:40 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well, a simple shellscript allowing me to paste stdin to a pastebin site :P | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: yeah, that stuff tends to break for me every 3 months, so I have to get a new script from somewhere | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few days ago I found kde's taskbar pastebinner | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 I had pastebinit for long time, I guess it's broken now | 00:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it | 00:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | seems to be in repos | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api | 00:44 |
| kerio | :( | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | worked fine | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | ty | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | ehm | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | for me it worked | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should update it | 00:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | v1.3 | 00:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | here | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 1.1-2maemo0 | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 1.1-2maemo0 | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should enable devel repo :-S | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 00:45 |
| kerio | you should :D | 00:46 |
| kerio | >:D | 00:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/3WsVRdjs is my userdirs also | 00:46 |
| kerio | FIQ|n900: same here | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GOD! that takes longer than africa-erope geotectonic merge | 00:50 |
| jaska | well, thats less than proton decay | 00:50 |
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| lnxmen | hmm if I save it - will it work? | 00:52 |
| lnxmen | I mean user-dirs.dirs | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN!!! | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: probably | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, it finally displays those 9 updates | 00:57 |
| lnxmen | At the moment it doesn't work. Should I reboot my N900? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so this were like 10min for enabling extras catalog and listing updates | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: probably | 00:58 |
| lnxmen | okay | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least those values are meant to be shell env | 00:58 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | uh? | 00:59 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | I cp-ed a directory from ~ to mydocs | 00:59 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | It proceed to copy stuff | 01:00 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | Then suddenly the whole system froze | 01:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | and now my time is set to show 12h clock | 01:00 |
| lnxmen | Still doesn't work -,- | 01:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | I fail to see the relevance here | 01:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | between 12h clock and cp-ing a usermade directory | 01:00 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Everything else was unchanged but this setting | 01:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | It doesn't make any sense for me | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: weird things happen | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: lemme put it this way: probably that setting is stored in a gconf key | 01:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# pastebinit /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/d79fYQPk | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | this gconf thing | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot :-D | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | reminds me of windows registry | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it actually *is* | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | ..not just by randomly breaking, but the structure of it | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you know gnome is a copy of windows? | 01:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | well... | 01:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | I don't use gnome :p | 01:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | DE, that is | 01:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | and don't want to think of it too much | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I start to frown as soon as any tool starts with a 'g' | 01:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | hahah | 01:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | but ehm | 01:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | so how much of the system is stored in the wannabe windows registry? | 01:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | I know the hold=sym thing is | 01:06 |
| lnxmen | what about reinstall camera soft? | 01:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | but how much of system config is | 01:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | ? | 01:06 |
| lnxmen | with blessn900 pictures can be stored | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please check your storage location setting in camera-ui | 01:10 |
| lnxmen | where can I check this? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in stock camera it's the icon lower left the second | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next to counter for "free" pictures | 01:12 |
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| lnxmen | free pictures for me is equal to 0 | 01:16 |
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| lnxmen | my storage setting is shadowed | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, now that's weird | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you have a uSD inserted? | 01:20 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | \nick FIQ|n900 | 01:20 |
| lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: nope | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could you? | 01:21 |
| lnxmen | No I haven't | 01:21 |
| lnxmen | Lastly I had inserted to check this slot | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: please paste the output of ~# ls -ld /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ | 01:22 |
| lnxmen | And I didn't make any pictures from this time | 01:22 |
| lnxmen | I did some pictures | 01:23 |
| lnxmen | so something should be in this path | 01:23 |
| lnxmen | just a moment | 01:24 |
| lnxmen | drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 65536 Dec 25 22:37 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo foo >/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x | 01:26 |
| lnxmen | from root? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from user | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/x | 01:27 |
| lnxmen | echo foo... works without message | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O Dec 25 22:37 ?? | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what did you do at 22:37? | 01:28 |
| lnxmen | I don't know | 01:28 |
| lnxmen | N900 Clock show me '00:28' | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems this directory didn't exist before, so no wonder camera couldn't store pics to it | 01:29 |
| lnxmen | nope, it existed | 01:30 |
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| lnxmen | I have some photos maked 20 days ago | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in that dir? | 01:31 |
| lnxmen | yes | 01:31 |
| lnxmen | 27 Nov | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm | 01:31 |
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| lnxmen | 5 Dec x2 | 01:31 |
| lnxmen | 11 Dec | 01:31 |
| lnxmen | and x file - today | 01:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | something fiddled with the perms? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please do ~# killall camera-ui | 01:32 |
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| FIQ|n900 | (or someone) | 01:32 |
| lnxmen | from root :D | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: perms are ok'ish | 01:32 |
| lnxmen | and? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then restart/open camera and check if you could take pictures | 01:33 |
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| Hurrian | Anyone know where the Maemo 5 QEMU images are? | 01:33 |
| Hurrian | I downloaded the Qt SDK and they're still nowhere to be found. | 01:33 |
| lnxmen | still I can't | 01:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | "maemo 5 qemu" "qt sdk" | 01:34 |
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| FIQ|n900 | doesn't maemo 5 use scratchbox? | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, you need root to do the killall camera-ui | 01:34 |
| lnxmen | I know | 01:34 |
| lnxmen | I did it by root | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm short of simple ideas | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: you said as root earlier :p | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strace camera-ui | 01:35 |
| Hurrian | FIQ|n900, there's a QEMU image included with the Qt SDK for emulation purposed | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | can't camera-ui show some kind of error? | 01:35 |
| Hurrian | s/purposed/purposed/ | 01:35 |
| Hurrian | eeh. | 01:35 |
| lnxmen | I need to install strace yet... | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | @ DocScrutinizer05 | 01:35 |
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| lnxmen | this command from user whether root? | 01:36 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hurrian: now that's an interesting substitution | 01:37 |
| Hurrian | FIQ|n900, meh, quite sleepy. | 01:37 |
| FIQ|n900 | but ok | 01:37 |
| Hurrian | I cannot, for the life of me find the Maemo 5 QEMU images :( | 01:38 |
| lnxmen | http://pastebin.com/eBtZ0Up9 by root | 01:40 |
| lnxmen | should I create this directories? | 01:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui | 01:44 |
| lnxmen | done | 01:45 |
| lnxmen | without errors | 01:45 |
| lnxmen | by root | 01:45 |
| Hurrian | FIQ|n900: I'm looking for something like this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49011, but IIRC there's a Fremantle image built by Nokia built just for running inside QEMU. | 01:45 |
| lnxmen | still nothing -,- | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dsmetool kills your default camera-ui | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you can start a new one as user | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/camera-ui | 01:48 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Hurrian: sorry I haven't used qt sdk, but perhaps http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator/creator-developing-maemo.html can help (ctrl-f "qemu") | 01:48 |
| Hurrian | even the new Nokia Qt SDK doesn't include Fremantle emulator images. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're lucky it will spit out something to stdout, though I doubt it will, since it's actually /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch that gets started, via maemo-launcher | 01:48 |
| lnxmen | DocScrutinizer05: I know, and I started this from menu | 01:48 |
| nox- | Hurrian, maybe they're in the vmdk.s like http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-launcher spans a new process, which load camera-ui.launch as a "dll", then the process renames itself to camera-ui | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spawns* | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/camera-ui | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Nov 10 06:00 /usr/bin/camera-ui -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: your strace only shown that maemo-invoker passing environment vars to the maemo-launcher | 01:52 |
| lnxmen | so what I should log for you? | 01:52 |
| nox- | Hurrian, i have it ~maemo/.madde/0.6.72/runtimes/rx51-fremantle-pr12 | 01:52 |
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| Hurrian | nox-, ooh, that's nice. | 01:56 |
| lnxmen | Czyszczenie z plików konfiguracyjnych dla camera-ui ... // settings removed | 01:57 |
| nox- | https://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/updates-madde-sdk-and-vmware-images/ | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: that's actually not simple | 01:57 |
| Hurrian | hmm, let's see if any newer MADDE includes Fremantle PR1.3. | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something along the line of strace -p `pidof maemo-launcher` <-doesn't work | 01:58 |
| lnxmen | so you mind my camera won't be working until I buy a card? | 01:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: is mydocs formatted as fat32? | 01:59 |
| lnxmen | I didn't change format | 02:00 |
| lnxmen | so probably yes | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just did a ps|grep camera | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anmd then a strace -p <pid-of-1st-cmaera-process> -p <pid-2nd-cam-pr> | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I opened shutter, and clicked the storage selector icon in camera-ui | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you should be able to find the file syscall that returns error, by this method | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you might want to set some filters to strace, to reduce the spamming | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and -s 100 | 02:06 |
| lnxmen | http://pastebin.com/ffNX3vEP | 02:07 |
| lnxmen | it's mine | 02:07 |
| lnxmen | without filters | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: I see your camera-ui process never tries to access MyDocs/DCIM, but it tries to access /media/mmc1/ | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure you can't change storage location to "local" or "on device" or whatever it's called? | 02:12 |
| lnxmen | yes | 02:12 |
| lnxmen | it's shadowed | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | can't he do a hackish solution and symlink? if lnxmen doesn't have an sd card anyway | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | (as a last resort if nothing works) | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there must be a location where this setting gets stored | 02:14 |
| lnxmen | but my user-dirs.dirs file didn't exist | 02:14 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i believe that's a cssu-only file, isn't it? | 02:14 |
| lnxmen | I don't know ;d | 02:15 |
| lnxmen | may I install cssu? | 02:15 |
| lnxmen | then this setting will be in user-dirs | 02:15 |
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| lnxmen | what do you think? | 02:17 |
| lnxmen | and what about hackish solution? | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: I don't think so, since I got that file in my backup from times where I moved my now-to-be-develdev t900 to this one | 02:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | hmmm ok | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 236 2009-10-08 09:57 /home/user/./n900-1/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: make sure your file looks correct | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# md5sum ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 858b04d5ed0749b9e42b82c1c73bcc14 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw: | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll ~user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 236 2009-10-08 10:13 /home/user/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | same md5sum | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, i'm short of ideas then | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | lnxmen: your file is missing? | 02:22 |
| lnxmen | I created this file | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/taSvgSxZ in ~/.config/user#irs.dirs | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/taSvgSxZ in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first question: WTF is it missing first instance? | 02:23 |
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| lnxmen | I think 'ln' will help me xD | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644? | 02:24 |
| lnxmen | but it's stupid solution | 02:24 |
| lnxmen | xD | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't ln from fat32 | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what do you want to ln to where anyway? | 02:25 |
| lnxmen | ln -s /.../DCIM /media/mmc ? | 02:25 |
| lnxmen | xD | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: try it | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it will help though | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings | 02:27 |
| FIQ|n900 | [01:24:23] <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ|n900: your file is user users 644? | 02:27 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/PfLfsg2N | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: ^^ FIQ|n900 meant to you, not to him | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lnxmen: your file is user users 644? | 02:28 |
| lnxmen | user root | 02:29 |
| lnxmen | as I remember | 02:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: sorry for confusing you :p | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -g /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1=internal, 0=uSD | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt it will, though | 02:30 |
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| lnxmen | http://pastebin.com/x3ZUz6Sz | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly it won't help to change that value when camera-ui process running | 02:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh it's set at internal already? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | setting it by ~# gconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 1 | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | then killall -9 camera-ui | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might help | 02:35 |
| lnxmen | yes, it works | 02:36 |
| lnxmen | thank you | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err what? | 02:37 |
| lnxmen | gconftool -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 1 // xD | 02:37 |
| lnxmen | killall cam | 02:37 |
| lnxmen | and start cam | 02:38 |
| lnxmen | and I can take pictures now | 02:38 |
| lnxmen | xD | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my xmess gift for you ;-) | 02:38 |
| lnxmen | but I lost some other options | 02:39 |
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| lnxmen | anyway thank you :) | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the missing link: gconftool -R /|less | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /camera | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you lost other options? please elaborate | 02:40 |
| lnxmen | hmm setting iso | 02:40 |
| lnxmen | colours settings | 02:41 |
| lnxmen | distance from camera to object | 02:41 |
| lnxmen | and some others | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's never been parts of stock cameraui | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, ISO is in wrench icon | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | distance to object definitely never been in stock, it's part of CSSU-T nicocam | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess somehow you rolled back from CSSU-T to stock, and that's all been result of that | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | did you "uninstall" CSSU-T? | 02:45 |
| lnxmen | possible ;] | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that would explain why your file been gone | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali, I summon you! | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly think we shouldn't ship this uninstaller | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a huger task to get that right than installing CSSU | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and basically nobody ever using it | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and if somebody uses it, we see all sorts of weird error reports that eat our precious devel time for helpdesk tasks | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so damn nuke that cssu uninstaller, pretty please! | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a function that introduces monster complexity and opportunities for bugs, while not really delivering on any improved user experience | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | same with all those (admittedly deactivated) repositories in HAM | 02:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 prepares for some loving spanking of pali ;-) | 02:52 | |
| FIQ|n900 | the proper way of uninstalling cssu: backupmenu restore | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or reflash | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as is written in THE BOOK | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err on | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 02:54 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gave that instruction quite a good thought, to make it 'perfect' | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | and they ended up bloated | 02:55 |
| merlin1991 | (just sayin) | 02:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | the proper way is a reflash, the smart way is backupmenu :) | 03:02 |
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| merlin1991 | one day I'll look into backmenu source so I can give it the cssu approved stamp :D | 03:03 |
| Lava_Croft | to be honest, i prefer a reflash purely because of 'feelings' | 03:03 |
| Lava_Croft | it just feels better to me | 03:03 |
| Lava_Croft | but backupmenu surely is the smarter way :) | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: BLOATED? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: one day you'll notice that BM for whatever weird reasons shouldn't get shipped via extras, and you'll include it to CSSU repo | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | I bet it replaces some system files ;) | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please suggest wtf we could scratch on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 03:10 |
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| merlin1991 | videos | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are not from me | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least the first one wasn't | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might have added the second one since first one was poor | 03:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | I seem to get differing font spacing | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I basically dislike the videos as well, esp in that prominent position | 03:12 |
| Lava_Croft | first 2 alineas have different spacing compared to the 3rd | 03:12 |
| Lava_Croft | k, badly spoken, first 2 chapters have bad spacing | 03:12 |
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| Lava_Croft | or at least different from the 'Installation' chapter | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the bullets change line spacing | 03:14 |
| Lava_Croft | http://i.imgur.com/6sQql.png | 03:14 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, this is what i see in Chrome on win7 | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 404 | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | odd | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | http://imgur.com/6sQql | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | better? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | weird that the direct link didnt work | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | oh well | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | works fine here | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty much identical to what I see in konqueror | 03:15 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, no other browsers here, quite fresh install | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | not counting MSIE of course | 03:16 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | hmm | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | lets open MSIE | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bottom of page is quite a bit more funny though | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | i know what it will do | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | it will do the same thing as always | 03:16 |
| Lava_Croft | look sad at me and ask me to make him the default browser | 03:17 |
| Lava_Croft | and i have to be all tough again | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess this isn't even caused by the red read-only notice, but actually by the sql error msg triggered by hits counter (I guess) | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm nope, counter displays fine | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH, probably *updating* the counter triggers that error msg that comes with full standard page header | 03:20 |
| * Lava_Croft rolls his eyes | 03:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | UPDATE command denied to user 'wikiuser_ro'@'wml0234' for table 'mw_site_stats' | 03:20 |
| merlin1991 | wikiuser_ro | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | ah well :D | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BURRP | 03:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if Nemein ever going to release that writelock | 03:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually they should get finished with moving to the vservers, then just edit the DNS records and put the whole thing to (yet borked) original state again | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or even run the vservers on a secondary domain, for testing purposes, for some days | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before switching DNS records | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they already do???? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme do a few wild guesses what secondary domain they'd pick for that | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *.migration.maemo.org? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *.maemo.nemein.com? | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | heh, tmo is still hosted by reggie? | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | i thought that was getting migrated earlier | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will migrate as soon as nemein provides a fresh and virgin vserver | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though thinking about it, Rambo said he'll see what he can do | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | board uttered "tmo moves to maemo.org infra" in one of their meeting minutes. NFC if they had further 'sekrit' conversations with nemein | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they oughtn't since they were supposed to inform their admin (-coordinator) at very least if they had | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW me | 03:32 |
| * thedead1440 wonders what isnt 'sekrit' these days | 03:33 | |
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| merlin1991 | damn why isn't all the db user stuff in sql standardiced | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the somewhat schizoid situation however is that they tend to not inform me, or council at large, sometimes. OTOH they ask for help, and same time suggest I shouldn't talk to anybody without their consent | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I had a nice chat with brkn :-) | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course sekrit ;-P | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: thanks again for the incredibly helpful work you both guys did! | 04:00 |
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| robbiethe1st | Hey, he followed up and got me to find my N770 key and(when that failed) my fiasco files, so... | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, doers not talkers, exactly the kind of guys you need in a crisis | 04:03 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05, yup he told me about it in sekrit :p | 04:04 |
| * robbiethe1st ends up being more of a procrastinator... in some cases. | 04:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they both pretty correctly estimated the situation at large, and decided to do their own thing without getting too much involved in the general madness | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | Major points to them, yup. | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn even *is* admin! | 04:06 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05, and a pretty good one ;) | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, a real admin :-D | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the first one involved into the whole migration tragedy | 04:11 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except Nemein guys of course, but I'm not sure how much they feel involved into that | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope to get a hold of Bergie after xmas and ask him about that | 04:14 |
| thedead1440 | well nobody is sure about them anyway ;) | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, they got a business to run, it's not like they are doing this for mere fun of it | 04:15 |
| thedead1440 | no phone calls possible? i mean if virtual communications are taking time a call to put the record straight seems better | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's more the question what they can offer and how much they are inclined to go out of their way | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'll check all this during next 2-3 days | 04:16 |
| thedead1440 | ok | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed email is a bit clumsy for negotiations about stuff like semi-funding | 04:17 |
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| thedead1440 | its about getting the message across; I'm slightly old-school but i always feel nothing conveys a proper message like a phone call | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 04:19 |
| thedead1440 | Via virtual comms it takes time to understand true intentions IMO | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only problem with this: I'm slightly hearing-impaired when it comes to phonecalls | 04:19 |
| thedead1440 | You are an EE; you must have already had a work-around for it :D | 04:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and nothing creates greater confusion and uncertainty than a phonecall where neither end understands the other, but both pretend they did | 04:21 |
| thedead1440 | haha i can imagine that | 04:22 |
| Aoyagi | That sounds like the internet. | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a nice irc chat is almost better than a talk face to face | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a talk you'd never ask "do I sense sarcasm?" | 04:23 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a chat you're the one to blame when you don't ask | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus you can think as long as you like about what to answer, you can read the last 10 or 20 posts again, you got a protocol of what everybody said | 04:26 |
| thedead1440 | true | 04:26 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: don't you ever sleep? | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sleep is overrated | 05:04 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 05:10 |
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| int_ua | does anyone have drlaunch widget on desktop with icon size <60px and > 8x4 grid? Isn't it crashing? | 09:17 |
| int_ua | >= 8x4 | 09:17 |
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| Sicelo | i'm a bit confused.. does N900's cortex a8 support armhf, or only armel? | 10:24 |
| Sicelo | i would believe the answer is yes (judging from cat /proc/cpuinfo). | 10:24 |
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| Sicelo | i see thumbee and vfpv3 | 10:26 |
| Sicelo | :-\ | 10:26 |
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| Luke-Jr | http://imgur.com/gallery/F1yGP | 10:36 |
| unclouded | Sicelo, http://wiki.debian.org/pkg-n900 suggests that N900 CPU does support armhf | 10:40 |
| Sicelo | kel. thanks | 10:41 |
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| XATRIX | Hi guys, Is there any way to save a list of installed software and reinstall it with one command later on ? | 11:05 |
| XATRIX | Don't want to spend +2 days for installation | 11:05 |
| Sicelo | backup is one :P | 11:06 |
| thedead1440 | if you have all your .deb files just cd to their folder and do dpkg -i *.deb | 11:06 |
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| Sicelo | stock backup, i meant. | 11:07 |
| XATRIX | thedead1440: interesting idea | 11:09 |
| XATRIX | Sicelo: backup means to save all the software i have now | 11:09 |
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| XATRIX | I need to wipe a bit of crap :) | 11:09 |
| XATRIX | And reinstall only the software i really need | 11:09 |
| Sicelo | ah, thought you wanted everything back | 11:10 |
| Sicelo | there's also, of course, dpkg set selections | 11:11 |
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| kerio | iluminator105: morning | 11:51 |
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| kerio | XATRIX: well, there's dpkg --get-selections | 12:12 |
| XATRIX | hm...ok will try to look at | 12:12 |
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| kerio | the Backup program can also do that | 12:17 |
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| gry | hello, do nokia employees stick around here? | 13:49 |
| freemangordon | so far i've seen only romaxa to join 1-2 times, but he is ex- | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: that's exactly what stock backup enables | 13:51 |
| kerio | why, what do you need? | 13:51 |
| XATRIX | Hm... | 13:51 |
| XATRIX | cause i'm gonna reflash my device | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to restore | 13:52 |
| gry | kerio: it's something slightly urgent and confidential, unrelated to the OS itself (if I find one, I would probably rather talk in query) | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/to restore/to install again/ | 13:52 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: XATRIX: on restore you get a selection list to pick what to install again | 13:52 |
| kerio | i see | 13:52 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: will it really restore a files , or do a reinstall app ? | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apps get reinstalled, configs restored | 13:53 |
| XATRIX | Sounds if what i need | 13:53 |
| kerio | XATRIX: if you only flash COMBINED and then restore a Backup backup, you should get everything back as it was | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're screwed if the apps are not available anymore in the repo you once oulled them from | 13:54 |
| kerio | or if the repo isn't available anymore | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's implied, no? | 13:54 |
| kerio | ofc | 13:54 |
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| kerio | but until we pass the migration i'll be scared of that | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I mentioned it | 13:55 |
| gry | kerio: (someone who can walk to the Nokia headquarters might also be better than nothing) | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so better make a BM backup as well | 13:55 |
| kerio | to be fair, merlin1991 should already have a backup ready to go | 13:55 |
| XATRIX | I installed some testing,unstable crap to play with, so now i will do a full_flash | 13:56 |
| freemangordon | kerio: even if he has, ha cannot distribute it | 13:56 |
| XATRIX | I mean eMMC + rootfs | 13:56 |
| freemangordon | kerio: BTW launch your HAM and refresh | 13:56 |
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| * kerio runs apt-get update | 13:57 | |
| * kerio runs apt-get upgrade | 13:57 | |
| * XATRIX runs apt-get dist-upgrade | 13:57 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOOOOOOOOOOO | 13:59 |
| freemangordon | too little, too late :D | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 14:00 |
| kerio | freemangordon: ok, updated gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend and installed rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait | 14:00 |
| kerio | (i already had everything else from yesterday) | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank kerio | 14:01 |
| * infobot bends kerio over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on kerio's pasty white buttocks. | 14:01 | |
| freemangordon | kerio: yep | 14:01 |
| XATRIX | freemangordon: ok, installed new Squeeze ;-D | 14:01 |
| kerio | freemangordon: asking HAM wouldn't help me, i don't have the metapackage | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | kerio: why? | 14:02 |
| kerio | procps | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: great | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I thought YOU were the majestic dpkg-divert wizard that eats apt configs for breakfast. And now YOU give up on MP because of procps??? | 14:07 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't i give up on MP? | 14:09 |
| kerio | :D | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you know what apt-get upgrade would give me? ~250 upgraded pkgs from extras-devel, some of which I DAFACK DO NOT WANT | 14:10 |
| kerio | why not? :( | 14:10 |
| kerio | also, pin it to priority 400 | 14:11 |
| gry | kerio: sorry, are you located in Finland please? | 14:12 |
| kerio | no | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bold italian | 14:12 |
| kerio | heh | 14:13 |
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| int_ua | DocScrutinizer05: I think I have upgraded from -devel... | 14:18 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, seems like opera no longer crashes with latest CSSU | 14:23 |
| freemangordon | opera12 that is | 14:23 |
| kerio | it used to not crash before | 14:26 |
| kerio | cssu is unrelated, it was an opera server-side thing | 14:26 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it was crashing for me when not on wifi till yesterday | 14:31 |
| thedead1440 | funny thing is how opera subliminally added 3 bookmarks on speed dial across all versions including android and there was no uproar | 14:31 |
| thedead1440 | its as if user privacy is non-existent | 14:32 |
| kerio | thedead1440: well, nobody cares about opera | 14:32 |
| thedead1440 | actually on android many do | 14:32 |
| kerio | i meant in general, as a joke | 14:32 |
| thedead1440 | yup true | 14:32 |
| kerio | anyway, i don't think adding a bookmark or three is a big deal | 14:32 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: android and privacy? are you kidding me? :P | 14:32 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 14:32 |
| kerio | why would it be a privacy issue? | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | well you close the browser | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | then the next time you open it there are 3 additional bookmarks nos 1-3 | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | on your speed dial | 14:34 |
| thedead1440 | without my consent | 14:34 |
| kerio | and why is it a privacy issue? | 14:35 |
| thedead1440 | well its just a consent thing | 14:35 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the fact that this is supposed to be controlled by you, not by a third party | 14:35 |
| thedead1440 | ^^ | 14:35 |
| freemangordon | and by "control" i mean not only bookmarks | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | the can upload the whole filesystem, can't they? | 14:36 |
| kerio | ? | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | what is not clear - opera has tools to remotely change stuff on your device | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | do you think thise are write-only? | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | *thise | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | the fuck | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | THOSE | 14:38 |
| kerio | there are ToS you accepted to use opera | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | sure | 14:39 |
| thedead1440 | if it was a new version it could still be forgiven but to do it at random shows they are not transparent when asking for user permissions during installation i.e. we can remotely control your browser | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | did you read it? | 14:39 |
| kerio | i'm not the one complaining | 14:40 |
| freemangordon | kerio: noone complains really | 14:40 |
| thedead1440 | when you install on Android you are told what permissions an app is give; no where is remote access stated for opera | 14:40 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it is just not "fair", thus the discussion | 14:40 |
| thedead1440 | its not about just complaining its about intentions and transparency; aren't opera supposed to be one of the better companies? To do this subliminally is not the right way of doing things | 14:41 |
| freemangordon | yep, this is google's way | 14:42 |
| thedead1440 | even the maemo and harmattan versions had the same thing :) | 14:42 |
| thedead1440 | :(* | 14:42 |
| thedead1440 | imagine freemangordon when issuing a new thumb adds remote access somewhere in the terms who would notice? fair to do so? no! | 14:43 |
| thedead1440 | on that note the latest thumb seems faster at adapting between orientations in the phone app :D | 14:44 |
| * freemangordon plans to open a backdoor on kerio's device and to wipe all pr0n from it :P | 14:44 | |
| kerio | i'd be more worried about the security of running arbitrary code | 14:45 |
| kerio | but i doubt it's actually arbitrary and not authenticated | 14:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: and that's exactly what happens. opera updates several hundreds of KB .js code once a week | 14:45 |
| kerio | yeah but what can that code do? | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | js? whatever you like | 14:46 |
| kerio | is it signed? is it run sandboxed? | 14:46 |
| kerio | *ran | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | NFC | 14:46 |
| kerio | yes, i am aware that javascript is turing-complete | 14:46 |
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| kerio | i meant what can it do on the system | 14:46 |
| thedead1440 | so you read through all the code of the apps, cssu etc you use on the device? is it reasonable for an user to do that even if open-source? i don't think so... there is a certain trust among users and creators after all which opera has abused in this instance | 14:47 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no idea. | 14:47 |
| kerio | thedead1440: it's actually fairly hard to slip in a backdoor in an opensource project | 14:48 |
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| kerio | i suppose that one thing you could do is slip in a bug that you know of, that allows for remote execution | 14:49 |
| kerio | but that only works until someone else notices | 14:49 |
| kerio | as a bonus, you have plausible deniability | 14:49 |
| thedead1440 | well true but between minor updates its pretty hard for it to be flagged early | 14:49 |
| kerio | minor updates are easy to check | 14:49 |
| thedead1440 | it works both ways; its minor so people checking might not take it seriously while huge updates you might get more suspicious eyes on it | 14:50 |
| arvut | meego :) | 14:50 |
| thedead1440 | kerio on that note if you think its fine for them to add 3 bookmarks then its fine for them to delete some too? | 14:51 |
| kerio | both are dick moves, but neither is a privacy issue | 14:51 |
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| thedead1440 | depends on the user | 14:52 |
| thedead1440 | if you think your bookmarks are sacred and its sacrilegious for someone to tamper with them you wouldn't like it but if you think bookmarks are for all to be tampered with then its fine | 14:53 |
| thedead1440 | giving 2 extremes above though so its not absolute examples | 14:53 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: re rotation in phone - arcean has changed something and labeled it :Faster, without visual glitches, switching to an application in portrait mode from the task navigator.: | 14:55 |
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| thedead1440 | i was right; it isn't a placebo only :D | 14:55 |
| kerio | huh... | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | also i thumb built another lib which is statically linked in h-d | 14:56 |
| kerio | now openmediaplayer doesn't rotate properly in the tasknav | 14:56 |
| freemangordon | so it is either of those or a combination | 14:56 |
| thedead1440 | ah ok | 14:56 |
| thedead1440 | whatever it is; its really nice and THANK YOU! | 14:56 |
| tadzik | uh. I inserd an uSD and modest immediately creates its folders on it. Wtf | 15:00 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 16:59 |
| ShadowJK | no dcim? | 16:59 |
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| Lava_Croft | tadzik: yes | 17:12 |
| tadzik | nope | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | thats a bloody annoyance | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | modest creates useless folders | 17:12 |
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| tadzik | don't we have any influence on the modest development? | 17:13 |
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| ShadowJK | i think it's open source | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005834.html \o/ | 17:43 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you mean the wiki login issue? The moment i got the mail i checked the wiki but doesn't even load the login page :S | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's migrated to vservers and fixed on those, but DNS doesn't yet point to those - aiui | 17:45 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much in line what I anticipated / speculated yesterday | 17:46 |
| thedead1440 | and Nokia isn't responding on the DNS; whats the chance they only reply after 1st Jan after being back from holidays | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the standard way to solve DNS conflicts? open a dispute at registrar? | 17:47 |
| thedead1440 | thats going to take a lot of time | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ICAN, ROPE, whatever? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RIPE | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DENIC? | 17:48 |
| thedead1440 | ICANN i think | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It *might* make Nokia move | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | that'll take years :) | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ICANN that's it | 17:48 |
| ShadowJK | and disputes will involve the lawyers and everything slows to standstill | 17:49 |
| Aoyagi | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/26/year_of_the_linux_tablet/ might interest you | 17:49 |
| thedead1440 | its bureaucracy all the way there | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SHITE HELL FIRE BRIMSTONE I thought nemein is in duty of admin-c of those domains | 17:49 |
| ShadowJK | still nokia :) | 17:49 |
| ShadowJK | "Nokia dnsauthority" | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did a whois? | 17:51 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1467414 | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Admin Phone:+358.718008000 | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Admin FAX:+358.718034496 | 17:53 |
| ShadowJK | did anyone ask whether nokia would continue providing dns or if we need to setup our own dns server? :) | 17:54 |
| thedead1440 | Email:hostmaster@nokia.com | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Admin Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com | 17:54 |
| * ShadowJK wouldnt bother trying to contact directly | 17:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: good question, AIUI they offered to simply change the A / AAA records to point to new servers | 17:55 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Are you sure there is anyone left at Nokia who knows what DNS is? | 17:55 |
| jaska | dot net system! | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 17:55 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h; i was goin to ask whether we know if this is operpating as "hidden master", with the nokia servers slaved to the hidden master | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: so that would in fact mean maemo.org stays in Nokia's domain | 17:56 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on NS.NOKIA.COM | 17:56 |
| kerio | eventually they'll transfer that to HF, i hope | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not all happy about such solution, but frankly admit it's the lowest effort fastest solution | 17:57 |
| ShadowJK | Well, hf has no dns server to transfer to | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 17:57 |
| kerio | sure we do, the one server nokia donated :D | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not a DNS server | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get your stuff sorted regarding how DNS works | 17:58 |
| kerio | oh i'm sure it's powerful enough to run an instance of bind :) | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter when it's not linked to DNS infra | 17:59 |
| kerio | get the domain NS to be that server | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not free to open your own DNS server whenever you like | 17:59 |
| kerio | (and specify its address) | 17:59 |
| ShadowJK | Some registrars have cute anti-catch22 policies. The nameserver you want (for example ns.maemo.org) must exist and be resolvable before they agree to change the records from ns.nokia.com :P | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well you are | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then nobody will know about it | 17:59 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: NS entries can also specify IP addresses | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might be able to set up a hidden master DNs on maemo.org servers, with ns.nokia playing slave | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I doubt that will fly | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | it's a step by step migration process anyway | 18:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how do you think that nokia got that ns.nokia.com nameserver? | 18:01 |
| ShadowJK | Many registrars wont do it | 18:02 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: so how are you supposed to host your own DNS server with those registrars? | 18:02 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; bootstrap it via some other nameserver | 18:02 |
| kerio | oh, k | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's an opt-in "club" | 18:03 |
| kerio | actually, just get freedns to point to your nameserver and use that as the domain nameserver | 18:03 |
| kerio | then change it | 18:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's nto | 18:03 |
| kerio | *not | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what do you think how your dns.yourtelco.com nameserver doing the resolve of maemo.org to an IP for your browser you're just using, how that server gets to know about maemo.org? | 18:05 |
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| kerio | it eventually goes to the root servers, which know - by registrar-provided information - that the nameserver for my domain is ns.mydomain.whatevs with address 1.2.3.4 | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you think is the magic that makes those A and AAA records and whatnot propagate across all the world, that you see on `host -a maemo.org` | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nope, it's not exactly "by registrar-provided info", it's maemo.org responsible NS propagating this info up to next peer NS | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until finaly it arrives top level and from there - on request - down again to the whole world | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I think I understood of how DNS works | 18:09 |
| kerio | yep, and the root servers know about the responsible NS for the domain because of what the registrar knows | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there IS NO registrar | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | involved in that | 18:10 |
| kerio | my point is that you can even tell *ips* to the registrars | 18:10 |
| kerio | of course there is, who the hell are you supposed to tell what's your nameserver to? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's all only NS servers | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | talking to each other | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you need to be part of that network | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no backdoor to get in, afaik | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably you're right that top level NS (ICANN, whoever) eventually adds new records from registrations of domains | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maemo.org already *is* registered | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and NS is ns.nokia.com | 18:13 |
| kerio | yeah but that NS entry is not only on ns.nokia.com | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soif we want to change IP of maemo.org, we need to edit some list on that ns.nokia.com machine | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and from there it propagates to the world | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and universe | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to change NS responsible for maemo.org, you need to open a dispute at ICANN | 18:15 |
| kerio | or ask nokia nicely :3 | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or make Nokia hand over the domain to HF | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at which point HF needs to run their own NS, and that's not a trivial taks | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | task | 18:16 |
| kerio | sudo apt-get install bind9 | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blablabla | 18:17 |
| kerio | and then spend the following two years reading man pages | 18:17 |
| kerio | it's easy! | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and managing | 18:17 |
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| kerio | by the way, eventually we'll need to know who gets root access and responsibility for it on the new servers | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, once a time ago that's been me, designated | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in my rolae as administrator-coordinator | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's last *official* statement from board | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I officially accepted that duty | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know if and how board has maybe changed their mind regarding that | 18:22 |
| thedead1440 | ? | 18:23 |
| thedead1440 | oops sorry wrong | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ | 18:24 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you are the *chosen* one :p | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-S | 18:26 |
| brkn | xD | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi brkn | 18:28 |
| brkn | slt | 18:28 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, seems there is some migration activity going on | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ | 18:30 |
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| MetalGearSolid | On running u-boot-update-bootmenu with U-Boot 2012.10.rc3-1 I am getting "mkimage: write error on /home/user..." | 18:54 |
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| kerio | MetalGearSolid: what's the ...? | 19:11 |
| kerio | it's kinda important | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure you haven't plugged in USB and enabled mass storage? | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since that would unmount MyDocs | 19:13 |
| kerio | that was my first guess :D | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER work on device while in mass storage mode ((me ponders to lock the device irreversably with a modal "end mass storage mode" requester)) | 19:15 |
| kerio | NEVER enter mass storage mode is how i do it | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, works too | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 19:16 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err you MUSt NOT work on device while in mass storage mode | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SHOULD NOT? | 19:17 |
| kerio | SHOULD NOT, probably | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen merlin1991 | 19:19 |
| infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 14h 14m 3s, last said: 'pm'. | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 19:19 |
| kerio | ~seen merlin1991 | 19:19 |
| infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: 'hm?'. | 19:19 |
| kerio | heh, idling | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s idling for 14h 14m 3s | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | why not? :D | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time runs by | 19:20 |
| kerio | ~seen kerio | 19:21 |
| infobot | kerio is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu. Has said a total of 246 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen kerio'. | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen your /queries ? | 19:21 |
| kerio | oh you silly | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yep talking to him atm | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k | 19:21 |
| brkn | not even remotely true | 19:22 |
| brkn | xD | 19:22 |
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| MetalGearSolid | Its not in mass storage mode and neither is it connected via USB | 19:31 |
| kerio | MetalGearSolid: paste the complete error message for crying out loud | 19:32 |
| MetalGearSolid | ok | 19:33 |
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| MetalGearSolid | here u go http://pastebin.com/BF2G9vwc | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage-2.6.28.10-power51: Success<< SIC! | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 19:39 |
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| merlin1991 | kinda contratdicting :D | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what now? error, success, or successful error, or faulty success? | 19:40 |
| MetalGearSolid | I have HW rv2204 | 19:40 |
| merlin1991 | that's toally unrelated to that script | 19:40 |
| MetalGearSolid | same error with U-boot 2012.04 and 2012.10.rc3-1 | 19:40 |
| MetalGearSolid | It just quits after that portion | 19:41 |
| MetalGearSolid | no bootmenu.scr is created | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be normal | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 19:41 |
| kerio | it's not | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bug in script, no doubt | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole u-boot-update-bootmenu is broken by concept | 19:42 |
| kerio | nah | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 19:42 |
| kerio | every bootloader does that | 19:42 |
| MetalGearSolid | I had a working u-boot 2012.04 till yesterday | 19:43 |
| MetalGearSolid | I upgraded to 2012.10.rc3-1 and then everything went downhill | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every software imports user settings from alternative/previos packages. However that doesn't mean I configure my kmail2 accounts in kmail1.2 then import them | 19:43 |
| kerio | huh? | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the /etc/bootmenu.d/ is NOT owned by uBoot | 19:44 |
| kerio | it is | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's WRONG to do genuine uBoot configuration in there | 19:44 |
| kerio | why does fanoush have more rights than pali? | 19:45 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: historically speaking no, there is bootmenu wich had it first | 19:45 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what about /etc/multiboot.d? | 19:46 |
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| kerio | backwards-compatibility only? | 19:47 |
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| Neutron19 | does the N900's skype client still work, or is it broken? | 20:00 |
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| MetalGearSolid | still works | 20:04 |
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| Sicelo | MetalGearSolid: still no luck with u-boot? | 20:05 |
| MetalGearSolid | sadly no | 20:06 |
| MetalGearSolid | I am giving up for now | 20:06 |
| MetalGearSolid | sadly that means no more Archlinux | 20:06 |
| Sicelo | eew | 20:06 |
| Sicelo | you can load your kernel with flasher :P | 20:07 |
| Sicelo | i did that while u-boot wasn't working at all for me (non-2101 hw rev) | 20:07 |
| MetalGearSolid | yeah did that | 20:07 |
| MetalGearSolid | purget all u-boot stuff and flashed KP51 | 20:08 |
| MetalGearSolid | same here hw rev 2204 .. i heard it has the least luck wid u-boot | 20:08 |
| Sicelo | but the latest was working fine with my 2204 (until yesterday, when i borked things playing with emmc partitions) | 20:09 |
| MetalGearSolid | I don't know what I am doing wrong | 20:10 |
| MetalGearSolid | Install U-Boot | 20:10 |
| Sicelo | without u-boot everything boots ok? | 20:10 |
| MetalGearSolid | /boot/ already has the required zImages so did not copy anything there | 20:10 |
| MetalGearSolid | ran u-boot-update-boomenu | 20:10 |
| MetalGearSolid | yes | 20:10 |
| MetalGearSolid | Do i need to create uImage from zImage | 20:11 |
| MetalGearSolid | manually ? | 20:11 |
| Sicelo | nah, uboot does it for you. and that's not where problem lies | 20:11 |
| MetalGearSolid | latest error is during update bootmenu when i get this error | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | O.o | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | what does it say? | 20:12 |
| MetalGearSolid | Configuration file: /etc/bootmenu.d/20-Maemo5-KP51.item Generating u-boot image for kernel 'zImage-2.6.28.10-power51'... mkimage: Write error on /home/user/MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/zImage-2.6.28.10-power51: Success | 20:13 |
| MetalGearSolid | http://pastebin.com/BF2G9vwc | 20:13 |
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| * Sicelo wonders if your MyDocs is healthy | 20:13 | |
| MetalGearSolid | I did scan and fix using someone windows PC | 20:14 |
| MetalGearSolid | on MyDocs | 20:14 |
| Sicelo | eew | 20:14 |
| MetalGearSolid | i wonder if fsck would make a difference | 20:14 |
| MetalGearSolid | The error yesterday was different. | 20:15 |
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| MetalGearSolid | Yesterday FAM updated only the u-boot-flasher package and not the u-boot-tools | 20:15 |
| MetalGearSolid | update-bootmenu worked yesterday except that no new images were created | 20:16 |
| MetalGearSolid | after all this on reboot u-boot died after "Starting kernel..." | 20:16 |
| MetalGearSolid | so today i purged everything and started again | 20:17 |
| MetalGearSolid | but this time got stuck during update-bootmenu | 20:17 |
| kerio | MetalGearSolid: have you tried deleting bootmenu.d and bootmenu.scr in MyDocs? | 20:17 |
| Sicelo | i would like to see your kp51.item.. | 20:17 |
| MetalGearSolid | yes | 20:18 |
| Sicelo | and ls -l zImage...power51 | 20:18 |
| MetalGearSolid | ITEM_NAME="Maemo5-KP51" | 20:19 |
| MetalGearSolid | ITEM_KERNEL="zImage-2.6.28.10-power51" | 20:19 |
| MetalGearSolid | ITEM_OMAPATAG=1 | 20:19 |
| MetalGearSolid | item config file - 20-Maemo5-KP51.item | 20:20 |
| MetalGearSolid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 Dec 27 01:39 uImage | 20:21 |
| MetalGearSolid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1746688 Jan 16 2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap1 | 20:21 |
| MetalGearSolid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1770180 Jan 16 2012 zImage-2.6.28-omap1-fb | 20:21 |
| MetalGearSolid | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1785760 Jul 23 21:45 zImage-2.6.28.10-power51 | 20:21 |
| kerio | ~seen Pali | 20:21 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 26m 58s ago, saying: 'working usbnetwork with g_nokia on windows'. | 20:22 |
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| Sicelo | ok. | 20:23 |
| Sicelo | let me install u-boot again & see if i have issues :-/ | 20:23 |
| MetalGearSolid | Thanks | 20:24 |
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| * Sc0rpius ywans | 20:38 | |
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| Sicelo | MetalGearSolid00: you can get the previous u-boot at http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/ | 20:38 |
| kerio | MetalGearSolid00: are you sure you're on the latest u-boot-tools? | 20:39 |
| Neutron19 | hmm I guess it doesn't support signing in with a microsoft account, which is what I use, so.. | 20:41 |
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| kerio | Neutron19: that sucks | 20:45 |
| kerio | you know what's even worse? | 20:45 |
| kerio | you have a microsoft account | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-12-26 19:15:59] <MetalGearSolid> Yesterday FAM updated only the u-boot-flasher package and not the u-boot-tools | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA, fapman | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and uBoot | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't use fapman for messing with system stuff | 20:54 |
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| Sicelo | MetalGearSolid00: not working for me either, | 20:55 |
| kerio | worksforme | 20:56 |
| Sicelo | in fact, DocScrutinizer05, believe it or not, but after reinstalling uboot, i again have no serivvies, eg dnsmasq | 20:56 |
| Sicelo | *services | 20:57 |
| kerio | after reinstalling what? | 20:57 |
| kerio | after flashing uboot? | 20:57 |
| Sicelo | yes | 20:57 |
| kerio | weird | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | happened yesterday too, heh | 20:58 |
| Sicelo | anyway, let me try the u-boot in pali's site.. | 20:58 |
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| * Sicelo gets the feeling that the one in repo isn't exactly the same | 20:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I wonder which kernel modules might be needed for dnsmasq etc | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | gtalk doesn't work either | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | and /opt is mounted ok | 21:03 |
| kerio | install syslog, boot | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | i habe that | 21:03 |
| kerio | check syslog then :) | 21:03 |
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| Sicelo | removed u-boot, and, of course, things are back to normal, lol | 21:27 |
| Sicelo | kerio, you have rev 2204 as well? | 21:28 |
| kerio | i have 2104 | 21:28 |
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| Sicelo | btw, how do i clear tracker's indexes, and restart it? | 21:33 |
| kerio | tracker-processes -r | 21:33 |
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| Sicelo | thanks | 21:34 |
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| Sc0rpius | I wonder if autobuilder works... | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | only wirh dput afaik | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | *with | 22:02 |
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| Sc0rpius | oh... | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | so the extras assistant doesn't work? | 22:07 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | no wonder I've waited hours for a mail to appear | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | ok, dput it is. | 22:07 |
| merlin1991 | btw did you look further into the modest email crash thingy? | 22:07 |
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| Sc0rpius | nope :( | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | there's nobody working in Modest bugs? | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 22:10 |
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