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infobot3 is a number, silly00:20
DocScrutinizer05now that's really silly00:22
kerio:3 is kitty face00:22
kerio>:3 is lion face00:22
DocScrutinizer053~@ is turd00:22
DocScrutinizer05kitty face, mhm00:23
DocScrutinizer05is kitty associated to a specific emotion?00:24
kerio~urban :300:25
DocScrutinizer05or gesture00:25
keriono urban dictionary?00:25
DocScrutinizer05~+help urban00:25
infobotno help on urban.  Use 'help' without arguments.00:25
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys urban00:26
infobotFactoid search of 'urban' by key (7): oldtest urbane ;; strip benurban ;; weathercode burbank ;; weathercode durban louis botha ;; urban ;; benurban ;; weathercode urbana.00:26
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infobotA nice shoot-'em-up game for Linux and DOS, lots of blood and gore.. URL:
FIQ|n900"Linux and DOS" interesting combination of OSes00:27
DocScrutinizer05hmm so "eeeek! a kitty!" ?00:28
keriowell, no00:30
DocScrutinizer05looks like Zoydberg00:30
kerioit's "awwww! a kitty! :3"00:30
DocScrutinizer05ε:  at least with my font here00:31
keriothat's an arbitrarily small kitten00:31
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DocScrutinizer05even TV is da bore00:32
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iluminator105i was running cssu i tried dist-upgrade it boots up and then dies, i think i know what the problem is, i had a lockon bootup i forgot to remove it before dist-upgrade how can i get it going again do i have to hard reset08:21
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robbiethe1stIf you don't have BackupMenu, you will have to reflash if you can't get into the OS08:28
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iluminator105robbiethe1st i do have backup menu10:02
iluminator105i can't bootup though10:02
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kerioiluminator105: dist-upgrade will prompt you to delete just about everything10:33
keriowhy the hell would you say "go"?10:34
iluminator105i didnt know that, well i did, but i wasnt thinking10:34
iluminator105kerio, what would be the correct of upgrading?10:35
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kerioif you have to ask, use HAM10:46
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DocScrutinizer05hey, kerio suggests HAM11:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: my policy from now on is "if you're asking if you should use apt, you shouldn't use apt"11:20
DocScrutinizer05indeed it's a running gag "I did dist-upgrade now fecked, hlpplz!"11:20
LaoLang_coolwhy? I'm using apt, and happying with it11:20
LaoLang_coolapt-get update and apt-get upgrade11:21
kerioLaoLang_cool: did you ask whether or not you should use it?11:21
LaoLang_coolkerio: no...11:21
keriothen you see11:21
LaoLang_coolI see you say "if you should use apt, you shouldnt use apt", I'm curious about that11:21
infobotLaoLang_cool meant: I see you said "if you should use apt, you shouldnt use apt", I'm curious about that11:21
kerioLaoLang_cool: given the metapackage bullshit that went on with nokia (and, sadly, still goes on with cssu because HAM is still HAM and there's not really a good way to fix it), using apt requires a bit of care11:22
DocScrutinizer05LaoLang_cool: read da whole sentence11:22
kerioand of course i said "if you *asked* if you should use apt"11:23
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer05, kerio, oh, I understand now :)11:24
LaoLang_coolsorry for reading msg without context11:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: merry sdlmess!11:24
DocScrutinizer05actually reading half msg11:24
LaoLang_coolok ;p11:24
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thanks, same to you11:25
keriothis reminds me, i should check if my romset is still up to date11:25
DocScrutinizer05I should check my socks11:26
keriostill at 0.147, i'm skipping the "u" releases11:26
kerioshould i download MESS roms too, i wonder11:26
kerioholy shit the chds for mess are 772gb11:27
infobotmethinks xmess is the X Multi Emulator Superior System,, or ask me about xmame11:34
kerioxmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline11:34
kerioand now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess11:35
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infobotwell, mame is interest's hidden wowhead alt.11:39
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: wtf, arcade games emulator11:39
kerio*the* emulator11:39
DocScrutinizer05I know, she doesn't11:40
DocScrutinizer05you sounded like her11:40
DocScrutinizer05wtf is ~mame?11:41
DocScrutinizer05doesn't even parse here11:41
DocScrutinizer05interest's hidden wowhead alt - WTF?!11:41
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo mame11:41
infobotmame -- created by bignose-work <> at Wed Jun  7 07:11:15 2000 (4584 days); last modified at Thu Jul 23 16:15:55 2009 by Interest!; it has been requested 7 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m 54s ago.11:41
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DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-25 10:43:28] [Whois] mame is (Yusuke Endoh)11:43
DocScrutinizer05~mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess11:46
infobot...but mame is already something else...11:46
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, mame is *the* emulator. xmame/xmess are discontinued, they were merged in mainline and now they're called sdlmame/sdlmess, or just mame/mess11:47
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0511:47
DocScrutinizer05~xmame is also see mame11:48
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0511:48
DocScrutinizer05for the e*_s of this world: /msg info mame. somebody used that nick when it been long known for the software, and he even abandoned the registration. now somebody else is using that nick despite there's a valid though expired nickserv registration. So I'm reclaiming original meaning for infobot11:51
DocScrutinizer05/msg nickserv info mame11:51
Sicelohmm, i've borked my N900.11:53
Sicelono services run now, eg dnsmasq11:53
DocScrutinizer05what did you do?11:54
Sicelowhat i did was to adjust the size of MyDocs & /home/.11:54
Siceloaccording to GPrated, all went well11:54
DocScrutinizer05nah, "rated" was correct ;-P11:55
Sicelootherwise the N900 seems to still be working ok :-/11:56
Siceloloopback interface doesn't work unless i bring it up using ifconfig11:56
Siceloand of course, with dnsmasq not running, i have to manually set /etc/resolv.conf11:57
Sicelohmm, no audio11:59
Sicelomplayer works though, with sound.12:00
DocScrutinizer05I guess you more or less borked your /opt12:01
Sicelohaving not made a recent backup, lol, maybe i'm looking at a reflash, eew12:01
infobothmm... jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05if you go for a reflash12:02
DocScrutinizer05you might want to patch your image for more /home12:02
Siceloi'm going to compare my current /opt with the last one i backed up12:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: meh, the 768mb that you gain by removing the swap partition are good enough imo12:03
Sicelomy /home was 8GB, but now i resized it to 6GB12:03
kerioSicelo: how did you resize it, exactly?12:03
DocScrutinizer05downsizing never really works, I'd say12:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: resize2fs via usb mass storage from a recent linux would've made it work12:04
DocScrutinizer05you probably nuked 25% of your /opt12:04
Siceloi used gparted. when i expanded /home a year ago, i used the same tool without any issues12:05
DocScrutinizer05only that /home isn't exported via mass storage12:05
keriojust gparted?12:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ofc i meant the whole emmc exported via g_file_storage from rescueos or backupmenu12:05
Sicelobackupmenu here12:05
keriohm, apparently gparted can also shrink/grow ext312:06
Siceloit can12:06
DocScrutinizer05it starts with "G", it can't work12:06
DocScrutinizer05NB grep starts with "gr"12:07
keriogparted starts with "gp"12:07
DocScrutinizer05it's not GP-arted12:07
keriog rep12:07
Siceloi have to look carefully at the init scripts & other related ones.12:07
DocScrutinizer05you got NFC what grep means, do you?12:08
Siceloi'm sure my solution lies there, or rather, i suppose12:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: g/re/p12:08
Sicelodnsmasq works ok if i start it manually for example..12:08
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: I'd start with checking syslog12:11
Sicelosure. i will. thanks :-)12:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: gnome/regular expression/printf :P12:14
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DocScrutinizer05~lart kerio12:19
* infobot hits kerio with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha12:19
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DocScrutinizer05~weather EDDN12:23
infobotSomething failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later.12:23
DocScrutinizer05~weather EDDN12:24
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2012.12.25 1020 UTC; Dew Point: 39 F (4 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.71 in. Hg (1006 hPa); Relative Humidity: 66%; Temperature: 50 F (10 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the SSE (150 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT)12:24
dhbiker70kph winds here :<12:25
DocScrutinizer05that's a bit too much12:26
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DocScrutinizer05usually I do holiday near LXGB to enjoy similar weather during xmess12:30
DocScrutinizer05~weather LXGB12:30
infobotGibraltar, Gibraltar; (LXGB) 36-09N 005-21W 0M; last updated: 2012.12.25 0950 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 82%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT) gusting to 26 MPH (23 KT)12:30
DocScrutinizer05hmm well, 5°C more12:31
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Siceloit appears that my problems stemmed from u-boot13:26
Sicelonow all is back to normal13:26
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: no dnsmasq since uBoot? DUH!13:27
DocScrutinizer05doesn't sound right13:28
Sicelolol, like my changes to the FS. been using u-boot happily, until i made changes to partitions. after removing u-boot, all works fine, heh13:29
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Sicelos/like/i guess u-boot didn't like/13:29
infobotSicelo meant: lol, i guess u-boot didn't like my changes to the FS. been using u-boot happily, until i made changes to partitions. after removing u-boot, all works fine, heh13:29
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Sicelostill, the whole thing has some educational value to me :P13:40
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Hurrianu-boot? partitions?13:50
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DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: yep, exactly13:56
DocScrutinizer05nfc how uboot is related to partitions13:56
Hurrianisn't the only thing it deal with the eMMC, partition1, FAT32?13:56
DocScrutinizer05and particularly how uboot could spoil dnsmasq et al, depending on that relationship13:56
Hurrianit complains when faced with broken fat32, but otherwise it should Just Work (tm)13:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: now I wanted to shoot another xmas upgrade and all I have doesn't build... :(13:57
DocScrutinizer05uboot could fsckup mtdparts, but that would only mess up NAND partitions13:58
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: DAMN!!13:58
DocScrutinizer05that's really annoying mess13:58
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder what broke since your last build13:59
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: please keep in mind that unlike cssu-t the users of cssu-s are NOT supposed  to need a reflash ever14:01
DocScrutinizer05at least not due to some problems with cssu-s14:01
DocScrutinizer05so please doublecheck14:02
DocScrutinizer05talk with merlin1991 how to do a hidden test rollout14:02
Sicelo900i understand, lol. however, there remains the fact that this morning i adjusted my partition sizes (and only that), after which my device no longer worked normally. afterwards, i made no other changes to configs, etc, except just removing u-boot, and reflashing kernel. the end result is that my N900 works normally14:03
DocScrutinizer05removing uboot might also change stuff in etc/bootmenu/14:06
DocScrutinizer05which in turn could mess up init, since actually /etc/bootmenu is for a menu *after* booting kernel, during early init process14:06
DocScrutinizer05I blamed that concept since pali introduced it14:07
DocScrutinizer05it's just not right14:07
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freemangordonchem|st: just download SDK vmware image and use it14:08
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if running a VM in a VM is a good idea14:09
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Sicelo900btw, i found that flasher (at least the one called when flashing kernel from inside N900) depends on loopback interface working, otherwise it can't flash. DocScrutinizer05, dnsmasq was just an example of something that suddenly didn't work. lots of other things didn't, including playing music in Media Player (which was working in mplayer)14:09
DocScrutinizer05yep, got that14:10
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DocScrutinizer05first shot: mounting /opt failed14:11
DocScrutinizer05or /opt is corrupted14:11
DocScrutinizer05however I wouldn't know how to fix that by removing uBoot14:11
Sicelo900 /opt had mounted ok14:12
DocScrutinizer05unless one of the entries in /etc/bootmenu (or whatever the path) caused bootmenu to throw errors that forbid proper mounting of /opt14:12
Sicelo900freemangordon: where can i find the vmware image?14:12
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could I run vmware on a vserver?14:13
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: don;t see a reason why not14:14
Sicelo900oh, thanks. never thought to check there :P14:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I don't *see* a reason, it just *feels* :-O14:14
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: ^^^^ we got that backuped?14:15
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ofcourse freemangordon gave me that last week and its done ;)14:16
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thedead1440i've been doing up a full list of what we have so its taken sometime as i've been double and triple checking the backups :D14:17
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: and if so, what/how exactly?14:21
thedead1440wiki is the same one as on maemo.wedrop.it14:21
thedead1440it would be preferred if we could get it from Nemen instead14:22
DocScrutinizer05talking to Bergie is on my todo list14:22
thedead1440thank you14:22
thedead1440that would be great14:23
DocScrutinizer05for wiki that would be another mysql dump14:23
Lava_CroftMerry Christmas, #maemo!14:23
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: unfortunately we don't have much options ;)14:24
DocScrutinizer05the probelm is it again contains user account data14:24
thedead1440oh no not that again14:24
thedead1440maybe we should get a small vps in the us that would satisfy the board, get the data then transfer it over ;)14:25
DocScrutinizer05well, that's your daily ohnoes as sysadmin. Otherwise we really could outsource maintenance to community volunteers14:26
DocScrutinizer05in case they fsck up the whole system, roll back to yesterday's full backup14:26
DocScrutinizer05but since every system has account proprietary data, you mustn't admit sysadmin access to arbitrary people14:28
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DocScrutinizer05but I think if the user data (password, email, question/answer pw-recovery, location, age, whatever) is actually in same database as wiki, the according tables/columns could get filtered or dropped prior to the dump14:37
DocScrutinizer05and this time it's not about location of server :-)14:37
DocScrutinizer05it's just about not handing out user data to the "general public"14:38
DocScrutinizer05(sorry no offense)14:38
thedead1440no prob; fully understood14:38
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thedead1440actually one more way would be to encrypt the dump, upload it to the backup server and if your'll need it your'll can download it and unencrypt it14:39
DocScrutinizer05that's what I planned to suggest to Reggie for tmo14:39
thedead1440that's another for your todo list :p14:40
DocScrutinizer05for wiki the user accounts are of so marginal relevance, we simply should drop them for backup14:40
thedead1440yup that would be better14:40
DocScrutinizer05and thus make the backup approved-for-public-use14:41
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DocScrutinizer05hell, every user could get that backup and run his own local knowledge-base14:42
thedead1440haha true14:43
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DocScrutinizer05time to kick infobot's lazy arse14:45
DocScrutinizer05the nap been long enough14:45
thedead1440you love infobot ah :p on average every few hours its kicked :D14:45
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DocScrutinizer05triggering reboot14:46
DocScrutinizer05I hope it's not a connectivity issue14:46
DocScrutinizer05or a brownout14:46
DocScrutinizer05nah, should be back in 5, 4, 3,...14:47
thedead1440timeout :D14:47
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infobotSince Tue Dec 25 12:47:18 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command.  I have been awake for 2m 1s this session, and currently reference 118847 factoids.  I'm using about 18392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.89/0.08 child 0/014:49
thedead14400 morons?14:49
DocScrutinizer05moron is when somebody gives a command that's totally fsckdup and way too long14:50
DocScrutinizer05she answers sth like "you lost me on that one"14:50
DocScrutinizer05I think it doesn't really work14:51
thedead1440~why does DocScrutinizer05 kick your ass every now and then?14:51
infobotwhy not?14:51
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DocScrutinizer05~literal cmd: why (.*?)14:54
infobot"cmd: why (.*?)" is "($foo): <reply> why not?"14:54
thedead1440ah no wonder14:54
DocScrutinizer05~why do infobots suck donkeyballs14:57
infobotBecause the Kleenex elf hates infobots.14:57
DocScrutinizer05~literal cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?)14:59
infobot"cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?)" is "($1,$2): <reply> Because (God|the underpants gnome|the Kleenex elf|RMS's pet gnu|Tux|your mommy|your daddy|your girlfriend) hates $1."14:59
thedead1440oh god you really work on this15:00
Hurrian~why have you not obtained the kleenex-elf15:01
infobotwhy not?15:01
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo cmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?)15:03
infobotcmd: why do (.*?) suck(.*?) -- created by greycat <> at Tue Oct  8 14:14:49 2002 (3730 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 5m 27s ago.15:03
thedead144010 years and used only 3 times?15:03
DocScrutinizer05the statistics seem to get reset every now and then15:03
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo joerg15:04
infobotjoerg -- created by jOERG <> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1524 days); it has been requested 45 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 20h 12m 38s ago; it has been locked by jOERG.15:04
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DocScrutinizer05not frequently though15:04
thedead1440ah so you joined here with the n81015:05
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys why15:05
infobotFactoid search of 'why' by key (11 of 79): 'why ;; +, why ;; - why ;; ? why ;; another confuse not clear , why ;; any one experience with the jtag cable - why ;; apt- why ;; by the way, if you're wondering why the channel ;; do you know why libm ;; dont see why it shouldnt be, it ;; i don't know why the buildroot blob.15:05
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DocScrutinizer05lots of factoids created by morons thinking it's funny to start their post with bot's attention char15:06
DocScrutinizer05sometimes when bored, I clean up the factoid database from such crap15:08
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DocScrutinizer05~forget another confuse not clear , why15:08
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot another confuse not clear , why15:08
DocScrutinizer05~forget any one experience with the jtag cable - why15:08
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot any one experience with the jtag cable - why15:08
DocScrutinizer05~forget by the way, if you're wondering why the channel15:09
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot by the way, if you're wondering why the channel15:09
DocScrutinizer05~forget do you know why libm15:09
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot do you know why libm15:09
DocScrutinizer05~forget dont see why it shouldnt be, it15:09
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot dont see why it shouldnt be, it15:09
thedead1440this is like moderating TMO in a way :p15:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm not doing this very often15:10
DocScrutinizer05just feeling bad when I don't, after some listkeys shown such crap15:10
DocScrutinizer05~literal +, why15:12
infobot"+, why" is "Tangent the one that is lucky?"15:12
DocScrutinizer05~forget +, why15:12
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot +, why15:12
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo - why15:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05: no extra info on - why15:13
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo "- why"15:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "- why"15:13
thedead1440~why not?15:13
infobotwhy not?15:13
thedead1440hehe beat it :D15:13
DocScrutinizer05~- why15:13
infobotwell, - why is the char width and height so important?15:13
DocScrutinizer05~forget - why15:14
infoboti forgot - why, DocScrutinizer0515:14
DocScrutinizer05~- why15:14
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo "? why"15:15
infobotDocScrutinizer05: there's no such factoid as "? why"15:15
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo ? why15:15
infobot? why -- created by novent93 <> at Wed Oct 26 15:43:32 2005 (2616 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.15:15
DocScrutinizer05~? why15:16
infobotrumour has it, ? why is that, not root but why can't i speak?15:16
DocScrutinizer05~forget ? why15:16
infoboti forgot ? why, DocScrutinizer0515:16
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thedead1440 this link was posted by thp on tmo; freemangordon isn't it scratchbox after all?15:36
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freemangordonthedead1440: you need that token in SB15:41
freemangordonto enable "nokia-binaries" repo15:41
thedead1440so its a random generated one everytime you install scratchbox?15:41
freemangordonno, it is constant15:42
thedead1440if we have the nokia-binaries wouldn't it make the token redundant then?15:42
thedead1440oh ok15:42
freemangordonthe token is not random generated15:42
freemangordonI am not sure I get the idea behind that :)15:42
thedead1440me too :S15:42
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DocScrutinizer05it seems to me in recent SB installs the token already ships with the installation15:54
DocScrutinizer05or it's not needed anymore15:54
DocScrutinizer05anyway it seemed to me that I had nokia binaries installed, without fuzzing around with that token15:55
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DocScrutinizer05I could be wrong15:56
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: that's what i think too; the link seems to have nokia-binaries15:58
FredrIQ|n900hm, according to TMO, flash 10 is now available.. how and when did that happen?15:58
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DocScrutinizer05it 'leaked' from TI(?) page, and I think it's basically useless15:58
FIQ|n900"basically useless" well it's not faster or anything I guess15:59
FIQ|n900but I once tried to run a flash game on n900 which apparently requires flash 10.. just faking version number wasn't enough due to random glitches15:59
FIQ|n900so a working flash 10 would be neat16:00
DocScrutinizer05but that version afaik is not "working"16:00
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DocScrutinizer05since it's not built for maemo16:00
DocScrutinizer05it's 'generic'16:00
FIQ|n900I understand16:00
FIQ|n900So it works worse than the 9.5 version?16:01
DocScrutinizer05basically that's what I heard16:01
Gearwhat's the command to jam up wireless16:01
FIQ|n900Thanks for the info anyway :p16:01
DocScrutinizer05yw, but please take it with a grain of salt16:01
Gearif a bunch of people with iphones are playing some stupid wireless game, what's the command you can do that "jams" the wifi in an area around your n90016:02
DocScrutinizer05no way you should feel discouraged to test for yourself, YMMV16:02
FIQ|n900yeah I'll look into it16:02
DocScrutinizer05Gear: aah, that one16:02
FIQ|n900but you said it was leaked ... I assume it's not that easy to get hold of then16:03
FIQ|n900as legal issues may arise if it's simply posted randomly in tmo16:03
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FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: lol16:05
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Gearyeah I'm not great with "hacking"16:05
Geardo I replace RiVERDALE with whatever the wifi showing is16:06
Gearand does the wifi SSID have to be completely open, what if it's password protected?16:07
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FIQ|n900Gear: use common sense for the first question, I bet it'll be enough16:08
FIQ|n900dunno about the latter16:08
Gearok I'll try it on this laptop here16:09
GearI spose if I disconnect it worked16:09
FIQ|n900remember, software like this should only be used to test your own network's security to let you fix issues :)16:10
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GearI was going to use it at the airport to hack into the control tower and bring down planes16:11
DocScrutinizer05Gear: read the comments16:11
Gearhas to be open wifi16:12
DocScrutinizer05on that blog16:12
DocScrutinizer05you need powerkernel and the injection drivers for wl12xx16:12
GearI have cleven16:13
Gearand powerkernel and all the usual upgrades16:13
DocScrutinizer05and it doesn't matter if the AP/wifi-network is hidden-SSID or encrypted by wep or wpa*16:13
Gearwell, I can't seem to bring my own one down16:13
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: has cssu done any patches to apt?16:13
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: possible16:14
FIQ|n900like the stupid localization weirdness about confirmation dialogs?16:14
DocScrutinizer05iirc nokia crippled apt to obey some OVI shite.16:14
FIQ|n900(in swedish localization, apt outputs english but expect swedish input for confirmations)16:14
DocScrutinizer05also iirc eventually MohammadAG rolled that back16:14
DocScrutinizer05BWAHAHA nice16:15
FIQ|n900I.e. "do this? [y/N] y" will abort16:15
FIQ|n900you'll have to type "j" (as in ja, "yes") instead16:15
DocScrutinizer05or do `LANG=C apt foo bar`16:15
FIQ|n900yeah that works too16:16
FIQ|n900but is kind of hackish16:16
FIQ|n900better to fix apt in the long run :p16:16
DocScrutinizer05l10n for apt feels insane anyway16:16
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FIQ|n900the fix should be minor, because "y" doesn't conflict in swedish anyway (no is "nej", so...)16:17
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks no tool in man 8 should obey locale16:17
FIQ|n900either allow both y and j, or only j16:17
FIQ|n900only y*16:17
DocScrutinizer05rather, root account shouldn't have any specific locale16:17
Gearwhat's "wlan0" ?16:18
DocScrutinizer05so, probably the problem is incorrectly logging in to root via sudo gainroot instead of `root`16:18
DocScrutinizer05Gear: your wlan interface16:19
Gearwhich wlan interface16:19
Gearthe n900 one?16:19
Gearit said no such device16:19
Gearand I have it in injection mode16:19
DocScrutinizer05then it's not enabled16:19
Gear<-- genius16:19
DocScrutinizer05ifconfig will tell you16:20
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: marry's xmess16:20
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: you toobe16:21
Gearno such BSSID available16:21
Gearwhen I typed the correct one in (mine)16:21
Gearaint workin16:22
DocScrutinizer05Gear: iwlist wlan0 scan16:23
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Gearinterface doesn't support scanning?16:24
Gearwhat the16:24
DocScrutinizer05if your SSID is hidden, you might need to use the Address instead16:24
GearI have the packet injection drivers loaded and it's in monitor mode16:24
Gearit's not hidden16:24
Gearit is using wpa2 though16:24
DocScrutinizer05in monitor mode it doesn't support scanning16:24
DocScrutinizer05monitor mode is special16:25
teotwakiGear: don't use the injection drivers if you're not actively using them.16:26
Gearit won't work at all16:26
GearI'll try some other time16:28
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DocScrutinizer05"messy xmer" was a nice reply to my "merry xmess"16:34
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MetalGearSolidAfter updating u-boot from 2012.04 to 2012.10-rc3-1 I can no longer boot power51 kernel17:42
MetalGearSolidOnly the attached  u-boot kernel can boot17:42
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Siceloyou need the zImage for KP5117:49
Siceloquickest way to get it is to install kernel-power-bootimg17:49
kerioMetalGearSolid: did you run u-boot-update-bootmenu ?17:50
MetalGearSolidyes did that17:50
MetalGearSolidi already had kp51 installed17:50
MetalGearSolidand it could boot wid prior u-boot version17:50
MetalGearSolidalthough i did not uninstall the previous uboot version before updating17:50
Siceloyou shot yourself in the foot. anyway, get the zImage first. you won't get anywhere without it17:51
MetalGearSolidi have the zimage in /boot17:52
MetalGearSoliddo i need to reinstall power-bootimage17:52
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Siceloyou have zImage for KP51 in /boot?17:52
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Siceloin that case, you need to also have a correct item file in /etc/bootmnu.d/17:53
Sicelo* /etc/bootmenu.d/17:53
Sicelomine is like this..17:54
MetalGearSolid that too17:54
SiceloITEM_NAME="Maemo 5 / KP51"17:54
MetalGearSolidsame here17:55
MetalGearSolidzImage name is different17:55
Siceloof course. hmm, i'd say uninstall all versions of u-boot you have, reinstall a kernel (eg KP 51) then start again with u-boot17:56
MetalGearSolidshouldn't the sequence be17:56
MetalGearSoliduninstall u-boot , install it back, reinstall kp51 bootimage17:57
Sicelotry that too17:57
MetalGearSolidok thanks18:00
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MetalGearSolidbtw what is the different between zImage and uImage18:02
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kerioMetalGearSolid: did you or did you not run u-boot-update-bootmenu again?18:27
MetalGearSolidi did18:28
kerioand? does the entry appear in the bootmenu?18:28
MetalGearSolidyes all the item configs are listed18:29
keriobut they don't work?18:29
MetalGearSolidnone other than attached kernel18:29
keriowith what error message?18:29
kerio(if any)18:29
MetalGearSolidpreviously i could even boot 3.5 Arch kernel18:29
MetalGearSolidnow even that cannot boot18:29
kerioalso, does your eMMC have a vfat partition as the first one?18:29
kerioand is that partition, in fact, mounted as MyDocs in maemo?18:30
MetalGearSolidIf i open omap-fb18:30
MetalGearSolidi get some errors related to ubifs18:30
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MetalGearSolidcannot open uni0:rootfs18:31
keriohm, are you on the latest uboot?18:31
MetalGearSolidjust updated today18:31
keriooh, did you make your own bootmenu entry?18:31
kerioyou probably need to pass OMAPATAGS18:31
MetalGearSolidi did that also18:32
kerioer, sorry, OMAPATAG18:32
MetalGearSoliddo i need to have uImage in MyDocs\bootmenu.d18:33
kerioMetalGearSolid: you need to have a zImage-kp51 file there, after you run u-boot-update-bootmenu18:34
MetalGearSolidyes zImage is there18:34
keriowhy did you make your own bootmenu file, btw?18:34
kerioyou're missing ITEM_OMAPATAG=118:35
MetalGearSolidOhh i did not18:35
keriooh no wait, it's ther18:35
MetalGearSolidI was using old u-boot 2012-0418:35
keriohm, perhaps you have to remove the "" around it? it probably doesn't matter18:35
MetalGearSolidwith the same item configs18:35
kerioMetalGearSolid: the old uboot had problems with hw revs different from 210118:35
MetalGearSolidall of them worked18:35
MetalGearSolidwhen i updates i changed reusetag to omapatag18:35
infobotfrom memory, pkg is
keriohm, it *should* work18:36
MetalGearSolidit says that i need to append a correct "root=" boot option18:36
kerioare you sure that that zImage is KP51?18:37
MetalGearSolidi re-nstalled power-bootimage18:37
MetalGearSolidthen ran update bootmenu18:37
kerioand you're sure you installed the latest uboot in extras-devel18:38
MetalGearSolidbtw during start it say mmc1 (part 0) is current device18:38
kerioif you have a uSD inserted, the emmc is mmc1 i think18:39
MetalGearSolidu-boot 2012-10.rc318:39
Siceloonce you start getting those errors, reflash kernel18:45
MetalGearSolidi just reflashed18:46
Sicelowhich kernel?18:46
MetalGearSolidpower-bootimage kp5118:46
keriothat's not flashing a kernel18:47
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ampharosDoes anyone here know what kinda power the N800 wants? It doesn't like 5V/500mA USB is outputting - it's PSU says it outputs 5v/890mA18:49
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kerioi'd say 5v and enough As18:53
SiceloMetalGearSolid: delete MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d/ and MyDocs/bootmenu.scr. uninstall u-boot* . switch off and reflash stock kernel. then you can reinstall your uboot again.. it does take some patience sometimes.. i've also got the ill-fated 2204 revision of N90018:54
ampharoswell it seems like 500 isn't enough18:55
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kerioampharos: i'd say at least 119:00
kerioto charge properly when the battery is near-empty19:00
ShadowJK5.00V is not allowed19:02
ShadowJK5.2V with 1000mA current limit, 5.5V 700mA limit up to 11V 100mA limit19:04
ShadowJKthe current limit must be implemented through powersupply dropping voltage to limit the current19:04
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kerioso it needs a special charger19:07
kerioweak :s19:07
ShadowJKIt's so that it can reliable identify if someone tries to charge with usb19:09
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ShadowJK4.8 - 5.2V is thenot accepted zone19:09
kerioisn't it a different plug?19:09
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* ShadowJK wonders if that link works19:13
jaskaneed a http gtld19:15
ShadowJKpast fiailed a bit19:15
ShadowJKpasting from google has become so difficult19:16
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ampharosback; I don't have the battery installed, it was a broken one, so my N800 is operating commando19:21
ShadowJKbatteryless operation of N8x0 through charging port is definitely not recommended19:21
keriowhy not?19:22
ShadowJKThere's no regulation19:22
kerioi see19:22
keriolike laptops then19:22
ShadowJKLaptops are fine without batteries19:23
ampharosreinstalled the battery, will try again at 5v/500mah19:23
ShadowJKampharos; you need 5.4V / 500mA19:23
ShadowJK5.00 is rejected19:23
ampharosyeah, turns right on with 5v 500ma19:24
ampharosthis time, battery is installed, thing's plugged into PC19:25
keriothe PC won't do shit wrt power19:25
ShadowJKAlso the original N8x0 batteries were utter shite. If it's more than a year old or if it was empty more than couple of weeks it's ripe for replacement19:26
ampharosi am replacing it, just using orig battery19:26
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ShadowJKthey usually go so bad that the device rejects it and reboots when you try charge it :)19:27
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ampharosbut yeah, this aftermarket can just seem to turn it on and charge it in the little charging OS19:28
ampharosthe N800 gives up charging in maemo19:29
ShadowJKOn N900 the charger circuit on the phone converts the incoming 5V to 4.2V from battery. With some software changes you can make N900 run without battery, as long as you never exceed the max power the charging circuit can provide.19:29
ampharosI'll continue using the OEM PSU when I get the new battery19:29
merlin1991ShadowJK: have those sw changes been done (documented) ?19:30
ShadowJKOn N8x0 there's no conversion, the incoming power is fed straight to battery, there's just on/off control. That's why the voltages and current limits matter. Also, if you were trying to force it to run without battery, the internal power rails would have a lot higher voltage than designed for, because the battery is supposed to suck up and absorb the extra19:31
ShadowJKmerlin1991; "battery hotswap" on tmo, iirc19:31
ampharosWas looking into getting an N900 though. I have a fuckton of the batteries the N900 uses; mainly because my mother has like 3 C3-00s19:32
ShadowJKbattery hotswap is roughly what it's useful for, radio power bursts tend to be too high for 1A charge to cope with19:32
ampharosThanks guys. I'm still kinda bitter the Maemo community adbandoned the N8x0 as soon as the N900 dropped19:37
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kerioampharos: but the n900 is better! :c19:40
ampharosbut I don't liek cell phones :(19:41
keriogood, it's not a cell phone :D19:42
merlin1991ampharos: it's a linux gadget that happens to have phone features :D19:42
Aoyagi_joytopDoes it have any special HW features except the thing that it can lean on? :)19:44
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merlin1991fm transmitter19:46
merlin1991and we have paket injection drivers for the wlan chip19:46
Aoyagi_joytopIf it's the same FM transmitter that N97 uses, then well....19:47
ShadowJKampharos; you can buy one of my N900s, all its phone features are dead19:47
ampharosI'm hoping Jolla does do something like the N800 for people who don't want to pay the price hike for a modem though. Seriously, those seem to make up the markup of most phones I see.19:47
ampharosShipping anywhere but Canada is insanely expensive.19:47
Aoyagi_joytopAnd yeah, I have no idea what packet injections are. YET.19:47
ShadowJKampharos; ?19:47
merlin1991Aoyagi_joytop: it's what you need to haxxor wireless networks ;)19:47
Aoyagi_joytopThat I figured :D19:48
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ShadowJKampharos; btw, I recently bought an A-data ultra high speed uhs-i card for my N800, and put swap on it. Big improvement19:49
ampharosyeah, I put in a spare 2 GB SD card into it19:49
ampharosit's probably faster than the original 128 MB card19:49
ampharoswhich for some reason is an miniSD in an adapter. I have no idea why.19:50
ShadowJKIn general, until this card I mentioned, cards have only gotten slower for random i/o since N800 came out19:50
ShadowJKso I wouldn't be so sure that 512M is slower :P19:51
Aoyagi_joytopWait, N900 uses full sized cards?19:51
ShadowJKN800 has 2 full sized SD slots19:51
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ShadowJKN810 has 1 minisd slot19:51
ShadowJKN900 has 1 microsd slot19:52
Aoyagi_joytopYeah, figures.19:52
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kerioampharos: are you kidding me20:13
keriojolla will make an android clone, pretty much20:13
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ampharosyeah. N9 looks like iClone20:13
ampharosstill the community can probably fix the abortion that will be tizen or whatever it is today20:13
ampharosit changes every .4 femtoseconds20:14
kerioall we want, really, is cordia HD20:14
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ampharosi just want a Nxx0 with modern specs20:19
keriomobile data is useful, though20:19
ampharosit's too damn expensive here20:19
ampharosREALLY expensive20:19
keriowell, don't use it then20:19
keriodon't ruin this for us20:19
ampharosmaybe a little port the modem and friends reside on20:20
ampharosI wondered why they never did that: you can switch GSM bands or even to a LTE or CDMA modem by swapping them out20:21
keriobecause it increases the complexity by A TON20:21
kerio(complexity is measured in weight)20:22
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DocScrutinizer05anybody ever used jojodiff (jdiff)?20:26
DocScrutinizer05any tips on what parameters to use for best compression (aka most accurate diff) and optimum speed?20:26
merlin1991new CSSU-testing is live20:30
* infobot hands merlin1991 a full cookiejar20:36
* infobot ... and a fat cigar20:36
merlin1991thanks infobot20:36
DocScrutinizer05she likes to get called 'apt' today20:37
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keriothanks apt20:37
infobotkerio: de nada20:37
keriobut she's infobot!20:38
merlin1991well then thanks apt :D20:38
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merlin1991though her text parsing isn't that context aware :D20:38
DocScrutinizer05thanks is first word she checks for, then apt anywhere in sentence I guess20:39
infobotDocScrutinizer05: no problem20:39
DocScrutinizer05while thanks as second word doesn't get recognized even when last word is apt20:40
DocScrutinizer05funny enough she doesn't accept apt as direct call20:41
DocScrutinizer05apt: cookie20:41
infobot- Uptime for apt -20:41
infobotNow: 5h 54m 35s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux20:41
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201020:41
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200920:41
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200920:41
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DocScrutinizer05seems random whether she comes up as apt, infobot, or purl20:42
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!20:44
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Aoyagi_joytopomg zombie20:44
keriohi infobot20:44
infobot- Uptime for purl -20:44
infobotNow: 1m 7s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux20:44
infobot1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 201020:44
infobot2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 200920:44
infobot3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 200920:44
keriowho the hell is purl20:44
kerioinfobot: you're infobot20:44
DocScrutinizer05~info cron20:46
infobotcron: (process scheduling daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-124 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 298 kB20:46
DocScrutinizer05that's why apt20:47
infobotrumour has it, purl is arrogant20:47
DocScrutinizer05~wiki purl20:47
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the drink|other meanings of "purl"|Purl (disambiguation)}} 'Purl' or 'wormwood ale' is an English drink. It was originally made by infusing ale with the tops of the wormwood plant,{{citation |url= |title=A manual of pharmacy |author=Wilhelm Thomas Brande |year=1825}} especially the variety which grows in coastal ...20:48
Aoyagi_joytopAle! I'd like some purl please.20:49
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.20:49
Aoyagi_joytopOf course you're lifeless, damn zombie.20:50
kerioshe's not a zombie! :(20:50
Aoyagi_joytopWhat else is dead then then it comes in yelling something about ale from worms?20:50
DocScrutinizer05lol, and she got a very fine sense of humor: takes TWO shots in the head20:52
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SpeedEvilmerry CMAs all!20:54
keriomerry sdlmess20:55
DocScrutinizer05messy xmer, SpeedEvil20:55
DocScrutinizer05Equal     bytes         = 48337441720:58
DocScrutinizer05Data      bytes written = 56887146120:58
DocScrutinizer05Overhead  bytes written = 905116520:58
DocScrutinizer05real   20m33.384s20:58
DocScrutinizer05user   9m43.002s20:58
DocScrutinizer05sys    2m33.515s20:58
DocScrutinizer05oops, ECHAN20:59
DocScrutinizer05anyway that's what you get by running jdiff against 2 HARM firmware.bin20:59
DocScrutinizer05I'd suspected more identical parts in two arbitrary HARM firmwares of same revision21:00
DocScrutinizer05hell, you probably could get that compression factor with mere bzip221:01
Aoyagi_joytopOh... you don't mean the missiles.21:02
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ShadowJKArchos actually makes tablet with internal usb port for modem21:07
ShadowJKI heard it's silly power hungry compared to having a proper modem :)21:08
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DocScrutinizer05USB *is* power greedy22:48
DocScrutinizer05even ULPI22:48
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DocScrutinizer05but recently more modem chips with ULPI interface (pleonasm) appear22:49
DocScrutinizer05see OMAP3 Mentorgraphics MUSB core - it eats 60mA just for being active22:50
SpeedEvilit's a pity more stuff doesn't actively fallback to usb122:54
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kerioless power-hungry?22:55
DocScrutinizer05still not exactly IRQ driven22:56
keriowell, as they say...22:56
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SpeedEvilbut, the raw protocol is lots lower power to drive22:58
SpeedEvilas it's glacially slow22:58
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kakashi_how do I reinstall the contacts on maemo23:14
kakashi_its giving me a terrible problem since a couple of days23:14
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DocScrutinizer05kakashi_: you probably need to clean up and re'install' the database23:17
DocScrutinizer05the files are /home/user/.osso-abook/*23:20
DocScrutinizer05the package name is osso-addressbook23:21
DocScrutinizer05there's no simple advice (except reflash and restore maemo-backup) on how to fix stuff in there23:22
DocScrutinizer05at least I wouldn't know of any23:22
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DocScrutinizer05maybe somebody else has better advice for you23:23
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FIQ|n900the psx4m installscript seems to have a typo on removal23:29
FIQ|n900"dpkg - warning: while removing psx4m-gui, directory `/home/opt' not empty so not removed." at least it wasn't rm -rf23:29
* FIQ|n900 has no idea where to bugreport stuff related to packages23:30
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: against the package, on bugtracker23:34
DocScrutinizer05if bugtracker still works23:34
DocScrutinizer05otoh each package is supposed to have a bugreport link on package interface23:35
infobotsomebody said pkg was
DocScrutinizer05often that links to a tmo thread23:36
DocScrutinizer05honestly what a nasty bug23:37
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: you also should demote the pkg in testing23:39
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: thumb down, comment with bug description23:41
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: I'll check it23:41
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: hmm looks like psx4m, but dpkg said the problem was with the package psx4m-gui23:42
DocScrutinizer05I guess you'll manage to spot the right page for that23:43
* FIQ|n900 checks around23:43
FIQ|n900yeah, i'll look it up23:43
DocScrutinizer05  search, click, click "testing"23:44
DocScrutinizer05no testing for the gui ;-P23:45
FIQ|n900 looks like it's in devel23:45
DocScrutinizer05still has a bugtracker link23:46
DocScrutinizer05pointing to tmo - surprise surprise23:46
FIQ|n900tmo isn't really an organized place for reporting bugs23:46
DocScrutinizer05for stuff under development it's just fine23:47
FIQ|n900wont things potentially go unnoticed?23:48
DocScrutinizer05yeah, given the severity and potential damage of that bug, you should *also* try to send a PM to the two devels23:49
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DocScrutinizer05also leave a comment on
DocScrutinizer05though it might be in read-only mode at the moment23:51
DocScrutinizer05try it anyway23:51
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FIQ|n900"you must be logged in" what kind of account exactly? garage? (all the different kind of accounts on is kinda confusing imo)23:54
FIQ|n900@ commenting on stuff23:54
FIQ|n900"stuff" aka the package23:54
DocScrutinizer05erryep, this should be garage SSO iirc23:54
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DocScrutinizer05I think garage and in general have only one account/login, tmo has its own23:55
DocScrutinizer05at least clicking on "register" beams you to a screen mentioning garage23:56
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: yes but it's in read-only mode atm23:57
FIQ|n900so I can't create a new account23:57
DocScrutinizer05you couldn't even login with existing account23:58
FIQ|n900well I don't have any so it wouldn't help me if it worked :P23:58
FIQ|n900but i'll try to pm devs23:58

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