IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-12-30

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f3bruaryso in which file do the repo sources get set ?00:22
f3bruaryI found several00:22
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f3bruaryyou know the sources.list but then for n90000:22
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f3bruarynot everyone at once00:25
keriof3bruary: we're not all here for you00:26
keriowe're all volunteers00:27
keriof3bruary: the "catalogues" you set in HAM (Application Manager) are saved in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-something00:27
f3bruaryi understand00:27
keriobut you're not supposed to change that manually00:27
kerioyou can, of course, add your own file in sources.list.d or even edit /etc/apt/sources.list00:28
f3bruarydoing it in the application manager takes so long :(00:28
kerioHAM will correctly see those repos, he will refuse to edit them however00:28
kerioyep, HAM sucks00:28
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infoboti guess fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it ever again00:40
DocScrutinizer05why 'again' ???00:41
f3bruaryI use it and never have problems with it00:41
infobotmethinks ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does00:42
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infobotTimRiker is my owner00:42
kerioinfobot: no, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever00:42
infobotkerio: okay00:42
f3bruaryinfobot: Gordon Wood drastically underestimated the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth.00:44
f3bruaryI guess that's not okay00:44
f3bruaryinfobot: Justin Bieber is gay00:45
infobotokay, f3bruary00:45
teotwaki~forget about Justin Bieber00:49
infobotteotwaki: i didn't have anything called 'about justin bieber' to forget00:49
teotwaki~forget Justin Bieber00:49
infobotteotwaki: i forgot justin bieber00:49
teotwaki~lart f3bruary00:50
* infobot blasts f3bruary with a huge firehose then strangles f3bruary with it00:50
f3bruary~forget AIDS00:57
infoboti forgot aids, f3bruary00:57
f3bruarydamn I wanted him to say the other thing00:57
f3bruarywho made him remember aids ?00:57
teotwakif3bruary: ok, who the fuck are you, and why are you messing with infobot?00:58
infobot123/123 channels, 4745 users, 3415 unique: #debian/1240, #kde/377, #maemo/247, #gsoc/185, #asterisk/183, #harmattan/151, #wowuidev/150, #meego/143, #oe/131, #wowace/121, #webos-internals/95, #arm-netbook/94, #wowhead/92, #openmoko/80, #cubieboard/76, #utah/71, #openmoko-cdevel/65, #bzflag/61, #uclibc/59, #tomcat/57, #n9/55, #edev/54, #curseforge/47, #asterisk-dev/45, #htc-linux/45, #maemo-ssu/45, #/41, #elinux/35, #slug/32, #gllug/29, ...00:58
f3bruaryjust another n900 user00:58
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teotwakif3bruary: well, infobot isn't only used on maemo, as you can tell. It's shared by a great number of channels---please don't go around deleting factoids for no good reason.01:01
DocScrutinizer05f3bruary: stop abusing infobot!01:02
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: how do you undo a forget?01:02
DocScrutinizer05~unforget aids01:02
infobotDocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'aids'.  Have fun now.01:02
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DocScrutinizer05~ignore f3bruary01:02
infoboterror: chan #maemo is invalid.01:02
DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to set glon01:03
DocScrutinizer05bal ignore on01:03
infobotSince Fri Dec 28 20:03:03 2012, there have been 15 modifications, 83 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 36 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 3h 1m 41s this session, and currently reference 118862 factoids.  I'm using about 23380 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 266.42/7.11 child 0.01/001:04
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo aids01:05
infobotaids -- created by ax7 <> at Sat Apr 28 06:00:03 2001 (4263 days); last modified 7m 43s ago  by f3bruary; it has been requested 6 times, last by Jovar1 at Mon Oct 11 20:04:41 2010.01:05
teotwakifuck me, that factoid is over 10 years old01:05
DocScrutinizer05aids too01:05
teotwakiinfobot is an older version of wikipedia01:05
infobotaids are what ody has from having so much gay sex01:06
teotwakiokay, granted, that one wasn't that interesting.01:06
DocScrutinizer05~wiki aids01:06
teotwaki<Sicelo> lol01:06
teotwaki<f3bruary> lol01:06
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Good article}} {{About|the disease|the virus|HIV|other uses|AIDS (disambiguation)}} {{Use mdy dates|date=April 2012}} {{pp-semi-protected|small=yes}}{{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox disease | Name =HIV/AIDS | Image = Red_Ribbon.svg | Caption = The red ribbon is a symbol for solidarity with HIV-positive people and those living with AIDS. | Alt = A red ribbon in the shape of a bow | Width = ...01:06
teotwakiwiki parsing sucks01:07
DocScrutinizer05don't mess with infobot01:07
infobotor I'll kick your ass01:07
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: how often did you go down on Ricker in order to get op status on infobot?01:08
DocScrutinizer05about 3 years constantly01:08
teotwakiI knew I should've written infobot01:10
DocScrutinizer05well, alas I can't code in perl01:12
DocScrutinizer05otherwise I might inprove the scheduler01:12
infobotTo build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file.  Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source.  The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`.01:12
tadzik~your source, you halfwit01:12
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: if you feel like submitting a patch for that, you might also get admin01:12
infobotuse /whois, noob!01:13
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: for the wiki stuff?01:14
DocScrutinizer05for scheduler01:14
DocScrutinizer05some module needed to make infobot stay online01:14
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DocScrutinizer05it seems it's doing some online plausibility checks, and schedules re-logins and channel /joins etc01:16
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DocScrutinizer05since ircd7 it doesn't really work reliably anymore, especially on netsplits01:16
DocScrutinizer05Tim repeatedly moaned he'd need to rewrite it since it's crap01:17
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: also /msg nickserv info infobot01:18
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: or - to quote a related channel's topic: >>Welcome to the infobot channel || Latest version: 1.5.3 @ || SVN: 1.5.4 || Blootbot merged into infobot || apt/ibot/infobot/purl run by TimRiker<<01:20
tadzikyeah, I was looking for a git repo or such, but lost interest when everything pointed to sourceforge :P01:20
teotwakitadzik: sourceforge provides svn and git hosting01:21
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: should be rewritten on twisted01:22
tadzikduh, this is one ancient Perl01:22
infobotsomebody said twisted was, for paypal and chatter.  He is also known in some circles as toastido.01:23
tadzikI wonder how much work would it be to move it to some battle-tested infrastructure, POE or AnyEvent::IRC01:24
DocScrutinizer05this convo rapidly turns into gibberish for me01:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: twisted is *the* event-driven framework for python01:26
kerioit does everything well01:26
kerio(regarding I/O)01:26
kerioincluding irc01:26
DocScrutinizer05what was the friggin command to list all channels where I'm on the access list?01:28
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure there's such a command01:29
DocScrutinizer05there is01:29
DocScrutinizer05just I forgot the exact syntax01:30
DocScrutinizer05hell, I forgot the service and command name01:30
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DocScrutinizer05/ns listchans01:32
DocScrutinizer05dafaq :-o01:33
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teotwakiam I owner?01:34
DocScrutinizer05F = founder (owner)01:34
teotwakihow do I drop the channel?01:35
teotwakiIt's been used for a whole 2 years, methinks01:35
DocScrutinizer05/cs drop?01:35
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: it's *not* been used for...  ??01:40
teotwakino no01:40
teotwakiit was used for 2 years01:40
teotwakiroughly... 6 years01:40
DocScrutinizer0512 years ago?01:40
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DocScrutinizer05a tad of consolidation every now and then helps push the universe's entropy heat death a few minutes into the future01:43
DocScrutinizer05well, probably not really01:43
DocScrutinizer05since everything increases the total entropy01:44
kerioprobably a few picoseconds01:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but you don't necessarily create more entropy by reducing the amount of entropy created over time of some process01:44
DocScrutinizer05end reducing local entropy particularly increases total entropy01:44
kerioyou're not reducing the local entropy, you're reducing the increase over time of a specific process01:44
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DocScrutinizer05that would be true when we refrain from creating new useless channels. Dropping channels however reduces local entropy01:45
teotwaki1 attosecond – the time it takes for light to travel the length of three hydrogen atoms.01:46
DocScrutinizer05at least the entropy in the logical system freenode01:46
teotwaki"For context, an attosecond is to a second what a second is to about 31.71 billion years, or twice the age of the universe."01:47
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teotwakiI'm off01:47
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: the entropy is increases but then it keeps increasing at a lower rate because of that channel01:47
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, interesting hypothesis01:48
DocScrutinizer05might actually be correct01:48
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DocScrutinizer05wtf is wrong with my typing lately? "END reducing.... "???01:54
DocScrutinizer05obviously that should've been "and reducing...."01:55
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DocScrutinizer05on given cause:02:03
infobotrumour has it, autoaway is We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. So please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. In BX, /set auto_away off. /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying.02:03
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keriois BX bitchx?02:05
kerioi didn't know anybody still used it02:05
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DocScrutinizer05~factinfo autoaway03:11
infobotautoaway -- last modified at Thu Jun  2 00:34:33 2005 by blitzrage!~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk; it has been requested 4 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1h 7m 31s ago.03:11
DocScrutinizer05I still see an occasional "too lame to read bitchx howto" in user details03:14
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: ctcp?03:16
DocScrutinizer05not really, just usual username03:16
soviettrashwtf is captain cheese pizza03:16
DocScrutinizer05but maybe that's actually a year or two ago I last seen it03:16
jon_yhmm, no idea what the default bitchx username is03:17
DocScrutinizer05soviettrash: eh?03:17
DocScrutinizer05jon_y: maybe "I'm too lame to read bitchx manpage"?03:17
jon_ythat is the actual username?03:18
DocScrutinizer05dunno, I never used bitchx03:18
DocScrutinizer05but yeah, I think I've seen that as username03:19
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DocScrutinizer05like yours is "enforcer"03:19
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: I've been using that since forever03:20
DocScrutinizer05which I guess is not your real name03:20
jon_ynope, far from it03:21
jon_yheh, gnome3 default on Debian is rather pleasant03:21
jon_ythan again, I only get the default X desktop envrionment at work03:22
jon_yif you can call it that03:22
jon_yjust floating xterm all around03:22
jon_yoh, did I mention it is over VNC? the machine is half way around the world03:24
jon_ylag bad lag in the UI, makes me feel tired after an hour of work03:25
DocScrutinizer05vnc sounds nasty for that03:26
DocScrutinizer05couldn't you do ssh x-forwarding?03:26
jon_yx-forward to my windows laptop? :)03:27
jon_yhmm, I should try that with Cygwin03:27
DocScrutinizer05err, iirc cycwin and some other windows app can actually do that03:27
DocScrutinizer05allegedly that other software is simpler and better than cygwin in that respect03:28
M4rtinKxming ?03:28
jon_yx forward over SSH is even worst, I did actually try that03:29
jon_yM4rtinK: I already have Cygwin installed with X, might as well try that :)03:29
DocScrutinizer05xming, yep03:29
jon_yis xming free?03:29
jon_yand Free?03:29
DocScrutinizer05I think so03:30
jon_ywhy yes it is03:30
jon_yon sf.net03:30
jon_ynow to figure out if there is an actual NAT layer blocking03:31
jon_ywell, I'll find out on Monday03:31
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: does it make sense to add cssu stuff into scratchbox?03:54
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MetalGearSolidCan anyone confirm if gTranslate 0.6.1 is currently working or not ?07:27
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markmxHi, how I can create my own vanilla firmware from n900 with my condigs?08:00
robbiethe1stCheck the first page of the backupmenu topic - BM's going to be the easiest way to take an image of your system, and there's some commands in there for creating a flashable rootfs image08:01
markmxok, thanks ll check it08:02
markmxhave to reboot for using it?08:09
robbiethe1stIt's a pre-boot-environment tool, so yes08:10
robbiethe1stopen keyboard when first powering on08:10
markmxcoooool it's working :)08:12
markmxholy,,,,, robbie is it you?????? :))) cool soft man08:18
markmxok, so, now I have two files, for root and for opt, it's tar archives, if I want to reflash my dev I have to flash combined, then vanilla then install buckupmeny and unpack backup???08:22
robbiethe1stOr, you can flash a rootfs image that has BM installed08:22
robbiethe1stthen restore from there08:22
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markmxcool man, thanks again :)08:23
markmxhave you acc for donation?08:27
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edchngtf~seen idont11:15
infobotidont <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22d 14h 34m 55s ago, saying: 'it's Friday :)'.11:15
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jonwil~seen pali11:21
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 22h 1m 5s ago, saying: 'freemangordon, do you know state of portrait keyboard?'.11:21
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keriobut then who was quit12:36
markmxjust want to donate for robbiethe1st's soft :)12:37
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jonwilwhat soft is that12:47
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keriovi____: i ordered that battery, btw12:52
jon_ykerio: is kernel-power only maintained by 1 guy?12:56
kerioi s'pose so12:56
jon_yI have a minor patch that needs pushing12:56
jon_yfix build with newer binutils12:57
jon_yunfortunately Pali is missing12:58
kerioPM on TMO maybe12:58
kerioor an email12:58
kerioor a NoteServ noce12:58
jon_y~help noteserv12:59
kerio/msg noteserv@services. help13:03
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keriono, wait13:03
kerioit's not @services.13:03
keriofor some reason13:03
keriooh, it's memoserv13:03
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Luke-Jrkerio: didn't you get the memo?13:06
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f3bruaryjust installed the new cutetube qml13:45
f3bruaryI wonder why xtube still istn working13:46
f3bruaryoh cool I fixed it13:51
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f3bruarythanks to jurgel on the forums13:53
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keriof3bruary: oh you14:00
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f3bruarykerio: may I ask where you from ?14:04
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Sicelohe's likely to be from Mars :P14:34
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GadgetoidAnywhere but Venus…14:51
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DocScrutinizer05~seen robbiethe1st14:54
infobotrobbiethe1st <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 32m 3s ago, saying: 'then restore from there'.14:54
infobotsomebody said backupmenu was
infobotAll conversations are logged to Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily.14:58
Sicelohmm, so we have at least two sets of logs for this chan?15:04
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f3bruarySicelo: + me15:50
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: obviously. why?15:59
DocScrutinizer05emphasis on "at least"16:00
DocScrutinizer05f3bruary: could you explain your last post? "+ me" doesn't make sense to me16:01
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f3bruarySicelo> | hmm, so we have at least two sets of logs for this chan?16:04
f3bruaryf3bruary> | Sicelo: + me16:05
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f3bruarymy irssi logs all16:05
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, probably each IRC client does16:36
f3bruaryI don't think irssi does it by default, but I could be wron16:37
DocScrutinizer05and there's no way to tell which of those ~250 logs get published anywhere16:37
DocScrutinizer05not even aunt google knows about all publicly available chanlogs16:38
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like somebody sneaked a forkbomb into his todo list16:44
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DocScrutinizer05or... do you know those nasty webpages that open child browser windows which open other child browser windows? My desktop looks quite like that, seems I can't close windows as fast as other topics arise that need new windows or tabs to linger around waiting for processing16:46
* DocScrutinizer05 opens a bookmark directory "discarded/postponed/look here after retirement"16:48
DocScrutinizer05or maybe I should rename it to "trashbin, please empty eventually"16:48
DocScrutinizer05just for giving a figure: it sometimes takes me 20min of searching thru my web bookmarks for a particular link I know I got somewhere, until I finally make up my mind to open "edit bookmarks" and exploit the find/grep feature16:51
DocScrutinizer05same for locating the right one out of 45 browser windows with sometimes almost ten tabs each16:51
DocScrutinizer05often it's faster to google for the right URL and open the same window *again*, instead of finding the already opened one16:52
Siceloyeah, by "at least", i was just referring to the fact that i have no way to know if there are other bots here taking logs16:52
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* DocScrutinizer05 just reduced open windows from 45 to 3716:55
DocScrutinizer05took only 20 minutes16:55
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DocScrutinizer05wiki.m.o completely down?17:03
DocScrutinizer05ooh, just usual weekend slowdown17:04
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DocScrutinizer05\o/ another window closed, down to 3617:08
DocScrutinizer05\o/ \o\ /o/ \o/  duplicate with 2 tabs, down to 3517:09
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markmxwhere is  robbiethe1st?17:44
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DocScrutinizer05markmx: see:18:30
DocScrutinizer05markmx: robbiethe1st is only sporadically on IRC18:31
DocScrutinizer05but - picking up on your pervious comment/request - there's a donation button on bottom of post#1 on that thread about BM18:31
markmxdonated :)18:34
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keriof3bruary: xvideos, if you have a flash blocker installed, gives you a "your browser doesn't support this website: [download link]"18:51
kerioand it's an avi that works well in Media Player18:51
kerio...or so i heard18:51
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: how's life?19:03
f3bruaryyou talking about xtube kerio ?19:03
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: brkn?19:03
f3bruaryI use cutetube for that not a browser19:04
keriof3bruary: i don't know about xtube19:04
f3bruarykerio: was that a question or follow up on my previous xtube issue then ?19:05
f3bruarycause im confused19:05
kerioi was suggesting a website that doesn't require an extra program19:05
markmxwe need more porn in this chat?19:05
f3bruarymarkmx: more ?19:05
markmx:))) nevermind19:05
f3bruarykerio: oh so you install the flash blocker on purpose so you can open the link in media player19:07
keriono, i install the flash blocker because flash player is a piece of crap19:07
f3bruaryand xvideos is just a bonus that comes with it19:08
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f3bruarywhere u from kerio ?19:10
markmxholy ho =_19:11
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: Hi Doc, all's fine brkn should be back home tomorrow so we can go full steam tomorrow onwards19:11
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f3bruaryso who can recommend a good mp4 player for n9019:29
f3bruarycause default often doesnt work or lags/stutters19:29
f3bruaryso does mplayer19:30
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: good :-D19:30
f3bruarycould be due to the quality19:30
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: tomoorow == doomsday19:30
DocScrutinizer05yay, tomorrow*19:30
thedead1440only metaphorically though :p19:31
DocScrutinizer05I'm not quite sure what will happen19:31
thedead1440does any higher authority know?19:31
DocScrutinizer05actually *.m.o might go down, nobody knows19:32
thedead1440its on random possibilities?19:32
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DocScrutinizer05it's some "sekrit wisdom" inside Nokia and Nemein19:32
thedead1440oh those sekrit stuff again19:32
thedead1440NDA and all that19:33
DocScrutinizer05no, just CBA to share info19:33
thedead1440haha that's the secret NDA :p19:33
DocScrutinizer05I bet inside Nokia and Nemein there is no secrets around when contracts for hosting will ectually expire19:33
thedead1440how could there be secrets for that?19:34
* thedead1440 thinks time for another email to you-know-who :D19:34
DocScrutinizer05it's a mystery to 'ordinary mortals' like you or me ;-D19:34
thedead1440hence we are ordinary mortals ;)19:34
DocScrutinizer05ferenc sent a mail regarding some niche detail about SSL cert, 30 min ago19:35
thedead1440yup read it19:36
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thedead1440waiting for the first response to it which would most likely be oh ok that can be added onto the agenda for next NDA meeting :p19:36
DocScrutinizer05I gather Nemein has no idea whatsoever about the amount of FUD (literally) in community regarding termination of hosting19:36
thedead1440I am not sure of Nemein but I do know most hosters don't give cahoots unless pushed19:37
DocScrutinizer05I'm not exactly nervous since I know we got proper backups and Nemein is working to migrate stuff to new servers, but what will happen the night from tomorrow to next day... Who knows?19:38
DocScrutinizer05~dict cahoots19:38
infobotDictionary 'cahoots' accompaniment, accordance, affiliation, agreement, alignment, alliance, amalgamation, association, co-working, coaction, coadunation, coalescence, coalition, coincidence, collaboration, colleagueship, collectivity, collegialism, collegiality, collusion, combination, combined effort, comradeship, concert, concerted action, concomitance, concordance, concourse, concurrence, confederacy, confederation, confluence, confraternity, ...19:38
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DocScrutinizer05we might face a real downtime for *, possibly even weeks19:40
thedead1440i hope not19:40
DocScrutinizer05or we don't see any disruption at all19:40
thedead1440the on-going wiki etc issues are already bad19:40
DocScrutinizer05nobody except Nemein seems to know19:40
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thedead1440do they actually know?19:41
DocScrutinizer05if anybody knows then Nemein19:41
thedead1440can't they be asked of what consequences they anticipate, if any?19:41
DocScrutinizer05of course even they might face "oops, servers scrapped on hoster" on 2013-01-0119:41
thedead1440this is our mayan apocalypse moment :p19:42
DocScrutinizer05since Nemein is providing system administration, not hosting19:42
thedead1440who is doing the hosting then?19:42
thedead1440logica seem reliable19:43
DocScrutinizer05so let's hope they got no order from Nokia to reliably shut down servers 2013-01-01_00:00UTC19:44
thedead1440want to check with the hostmaster @ Nokia? :D19:44
kerioit's more likely that they got no money from nokia to keep the servers up after 2012-12-31_23:59UTC19:44
DocScrutinizer05today? tomorrow? haha!19:45
thedead1440now ;)19:45
thedead1440send an email?19:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is TMO on the wayback machine?19:45
thedead1440or call?19:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: afaik not19:45
keriothe wiki?19:45
thedead1440wiki is till july '12 iirc19:45
infobotthedead1440 meant: wiki is till july '11 iirc19:46
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: what would change if we know about what happens in ~30h? Won't it just spoil the surprise? ;-P19:46
DocScrutinizer05we can't change anything anyway19:47
thedead1440haha unfortunately true19:47
DocScrutinizer05(wayback) could somebody trigger an update?19:47
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: hehe even wayback say time is running out :D :
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ShadowJKIf logica is in finland it probably wouldnt shutdown until after 2nd jan, unless someone programmed in a kill19:59
ShadowJK(since everyone will be drunk and hungover 31st - 1st)19:59
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DocScrutinizer05pretty awesome: random test URL:
DocScrutinizer05obviously "search" won't work as usual ;-P20:03
DocScrutinizer05hell, I should donate20:05
thedead1440it seems like you can upload? what does it mean? you can just put a URL and it triggers an update?20:07
markmxtoday is a day of donate :) I was :)20:09
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* DocScrutinizer05 too20:26
DocScrutinizer05anyway, need some leisure time before answering ivgalvez' mail about how to proceed with maemo infra20:27
thedead1440good so communication is present :)20:28
DocScrutinizer05he asked for something he doesn't know yet already exists ;-)20:28
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DocScrutinizer05duh, should check if my salary came in20:29
thedead1440i didn't know HF are paying you :p20:29
DocScrutinizer05if anything then rather the other way round ;-)20:30
DocScrutinizer05whatever, bbl o/20:30
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DocScrutinizer05last wiki snapshot on 2012-07-1020:37
DocScrutinizer05oops 2012-06-1020:38
DocScrutinizer05no idea how to trigger a snapshot20:38
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