IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-12-19

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Macertrying to get a damn e7 on ebay01:20
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nox-http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Power-Supply.aspx01:35
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SpeedEvilwhy e7?01:47
SpeedEvilit would be interesting to find out if those power supplies are sanely rated01:50
SpeedEviland constructed01:50
DocScrutinizer05indeed they should meet specs for human medical equipment, which I'm quite sure no chinese PSU does01:51
SpeedEvilI opened a power supply I got for a pound shipped, and to my surprise, found 5mm clearance on the PCB01:52
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SpeedEvilI'm about to dossasemble one to see what the transformer insolation is01:53
SpeedEvilinsulation01:53
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Gearhi, I hvae a problem with all my navigation software, none of it will find any results for any search05:48
Gearif I open up a google maps page on the browser that works fine05:49
Gearthe rest: nope05:49
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GearHi, I'm looking for a good car navigation app, and also a good outdoors navigation app06:29
Gearand also bicycle navigation06:30
GearI've tried Maep, I have Mappero but that thing shouts at me in spanish or something, Cloudgps crashes after 4 seconds, and google maps is about the only thing that actually works06:30
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GearMaep and Mappero both cannot find any searches for some reason06:31
GearI don't know why because mappero has worked fine for me when I initially installed it, despite the voice directions being useless06:32
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Lava_CroftMappero is strange for not being able to find any searches, I had the same a while ago13:58
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suidare there any good floss-alternatives to osso-addressbook?14:10
suidi wanted to fix some bugs in it, but when i realized it wasn't opensource i got pretty bummed...14:10
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DocScrutinizer05honestly sometimes I have to wonder wtf is going on with council and board18:13
DocScrutinizer05seems some guys like to cut their toe nails with the lawn mower18:15
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: ouch...that hurts18:16
DocScrutinizer05but isn't it the truth? And yes that actually hurts, exactly in this context18:16
DocScrutinizer05wag the dog ;-D18:17
thedead1440:D18:17
thedead1440you forgot the flea18:17
DocScrutinizer05"we might consider moving http://talk.maemo.org to http://hildonfoundation.org/forum  W*T*F?!?!!!??18:18
thedead1440?18:18
thedead1440where did that come from?18:18
thedead1440and why?18:18
thedead1440wasn't the main per-requisite when choosing HF as the name that it will never be the forum's home?18:19
DocScrutinizer05wait til my mail to maemo-community with Reggie's quote of another closed mailing thread shows up18:19
thedead1440s/per-requisite/pre-requisite18:19
DocScrutinizer05nah, actually Regiie already posted it18:19
thedead1440any link pls?18:20
DocScrutinizer05[ivgalvez at gmail.com] >>... I think the URL would also depend on hosting provider [??!!???]... On the other side we don't know if we want to keep tmo as forum domain ... <<18:21
thedead1440what is that? seriously no sense being made here18:22
thedead1440if tmo doesn't want to be used why all the fuss of retaining maemo.org?18:23
thedead1440might as well have said all this earlier; everything seems very dis-organized honestly...18:23
thedead1440oh and i received a reply from a Mikko Tarkiainen saying "Nokia’s goal is that the maemo.org continues to serve the Maemo community. The community has done a great job in supporting both the developers and the consumers. Recently, Hildon Foundation has expressed an interest in taking over the maintenance of maemo.org."18:24
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DocScrutinizer05sorry not yet up in http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/18:25
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DocScrutinizer05ooops it's still "closed" thread18:27
thedead1440noted18:27
DocScrutinizer05everybody and his dog in CC, but not any public ML18:27
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DocScrutinizer05not even council-ML, just all of council's members by name in CC :-S18:29
DocScrutinizer05but board at * twice18:29
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ivgalvezwhy are you spreading such FUD?18:31
DocScrutinizer05I already explained to them in my answer, to a) DA F*CK KEEP THE URL for tmo, otherwise pissing of 99.99% of community by breaking their bookmarks and links. And b) DO THAT DISCUSSION PUBLIC!18:31
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez: FUD? just quoting you18:32
DocScrutinizer05I'll happily forward the whole mail from Reggie to community ML to prove that's NO fud18:32
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ivgalvezthat conversation was including chemist, new TMO administrator, yet to be appointed18:38
ivgalvezqwazix, council member and in case of need new sysadmin for TMO18:38
DocScrutinizer05get your nomenclature right18:38
ivgalvezand reggie18:38
ivgalvezthere is nothing but just to keep reggie updated18:38
DocScrutinizer05good luck with that one18:39
ivgalvezand asking him if we could rent one more month of hosting if needed18:39
DocScrutinizer05ok I'll forward it18:39
DocScrutinizer05to maemo-community ML, you asked for it18:39
ivgalvezno I didn't18:40
ivgalvezI think you are acting a bit weird18:40
DocScrutinizer05You accused me of spreading fud while I just quoted you. twice18:40
ivgalvezI don't want to argue with you I simply do not understand your behaviour18:41
ivgalvezand your rudeness against every one18:42
DocScrutinizer05well, that's mutal18:42
ivgalvezam I rude?18:42
DocScrutinizer05indeed, quite a lot18:42
DocScrutinizer05less by words than by what you state and what you don't say18:43
ivgalvezlet's be clear18:43
ivgalvezI'll be happy to keep TMO on talk.maemo.org18:43
DocScrutinizer05you asked for it a third time18:43
ivgalvezbut that would depend on Nemein and Nokia18:44
thedead1440ivgalvez: maybe it a bit clearer? you won't only be happy but its a pre-requisite that tmo stays on talk.maemo.org?18:44
ivgalvezas maemo.org is not yet transferred to HF18:44
ivgalvezI can't say that it's a pre-requisite18:45
ivgalvezif Nokia descides not to transfer the doamin at the end of now a very long negotiation18:46
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ivgalvezwe won't be able to use that18:46
thedead1440didn't SD69 post that he is awaiting just a document to arrive which would do the transfer? It seemed from posts that maemo.org was already secured?18:46
ivgalvezbut that will only be known in a few months18:46
ivgalvezyes, but with legal issues it's not that simple18:46
ivgalvezdocuments are very complicated and it's still being talked18:47
ivgalvezI hope it will finish OK18:47
DocScrutinizer05Nemein already publicly stated that they will change DNS entries as needed as soon as needed18:47
ivgalvezbut that only applies for the time being18:48
DocScrutinizer05here you are: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-December/005829.html18:48
ivgalvezwhich is good18:48
ivgalvezI have absolutely nothing against hosting TMO at Nemein for the time being18:49
ivgalvezthat implies that we don't need to pay for that hosting18:49
ivgalvezfor at least two months18:49
ivgalvezregarding the movement of the DB from US to EU I have nothing to say, I'm not a lawyer18:50
ivgalvezhowever cionfronting your arguments against SD69 is quite difficult18:50
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ivgalvezas you are making much more noise than needed18:50
ivgalveztake example from Jaffa for example18:51
DocScrutinizer05> >> > On the other side, I don't know if we want to keep talk.maemo.org as forum domain if it's, in fact, also related with Harmattan (maybe Maemo 6, OK) and in the future it might become home for other OS's (Jolla, Mer...??). But I think that would bring us even more drama than just the simple battle between U.S. or E.U. ...18:51
ivgalvezthat's just a personal funny comment18:52
ivgalvezwhich is by no meansBOard decission18:52
DocScrutinizer05it's not funny, it exposes a sad amount of ignorance about technical requirements at large18:53
ivgalvezby the way your continuous comments against Council and Board are quite worriyng18:53
DocScrutinizer05so I'd say it's scary at best18:53
ivgalvezlet me change the subject for a moment18:54
ivgalvezI have to leave in a few moments18:55
DocScrutinizer05ooh annoying? guess how pisse *I* felt reading all that stuff of last 2 or 3 days that completely bypassed me, just a hour ago18:55
ivgalvezand I need to comment something18:55
ivgalvezscratchbox.org needs hosting18:55
thedead1440it can't be hosted with all other maemo infra?18:56
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ivgalvezNemein reclaims them 150 $ month and 600 $ for migration18:56
ivgalvezI don't know because:18:56
DocScrutinizer05if that's incl admin that's an extremely fair offer18:56
ivgalveza) the infra for maemo.org is not ours18:56
ivgalvezb) migration of non maemo.org services is not paid by Nokia18:57
ivgalvezthey need to answer tomorrow!!!18:57
ivgalvezit's unnafordable18:57
DocScrutinizer05uhuh18:57
ivgalvezso we might need a backup plan for that18:57
thedead1440how huge is scratchbox.org?18:57
ivgalveznot much, only 80GB18:58
thedead1440we have it hosted at skeiron.org; i mean the sdks for all iterations; if they take it offline we have a copy18:58
thedead1440we can host it tomorrow itself then18:58
thedead144080gb and i don't think it requires more than 10tb of bandwidth/month18:59
thedead1440a vps itself would suffice19:00
* DocScrutinizer05 has a short glance at http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/, mumbles "2300" and "unaffordable", shakes head and wanders off19:00
ivgalvezanyway I'll try with Nokia and Nemein and see if we can include it in our infra for free for the time being19:00
ivgalvezDocScrutinizer05, 150$ a month19:00
DocScrutinizer05INCL ADMIN????19:00
ivgalvezplus what we will have to pay after 2 months19:01
DocScrutinizer05you dafaq won't get it any cheaper!19:01
ivgalvezI don't know if it includes admin19:01
thedead1440shouldn't we use community admins instead on a voluntary basis?19:01
DocScrutinizer05never flies19:02
DocScrutinizer05admin has to be responsible, and dedicated. You can't to the master admin on a voluntary basis19:02
ivgalvezI need to leave now, I'll give more info when I have it19:02
thedead1440Aren't you the master admin Doc?19:03
DocScrutinizer05If we find a professional admin that offers to have a 20min an eye on that box among his other 100 boxen, that might work19:03
thedead1440http://virpus.com/budget-vps/xen.html this would cost 20bucks/mth; substantial savings over the 150 they charge19:03
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I'm the fool19:03
DocScrutinizer05and recently got degraded19:03
thedead1440common19:03
DocScrutinizer05so I#m not anything right now, except councilor19:03
ivgalvezDocScrutinizer05 when did you got degraded?19:04
ivgalvezyou refused to admin anything in the U.S.19:04
ivgalvezbut there is nothing yet to admin19:04
DocScrutinizer05well, if you don't even recall your own mails as of 2 days ago, I can't help19:04
ivgalvezso qwazix volunteered to admin TMO if necessary19:04
DocScrutinizer05again, good luck with that19:05
thedead1440seriously what admin is required for scratchbox.org Doc? surely this is easy for you, no?19:05
ivgalvezso does it means that you are resigning?19:05
thedead1440some calming down required, perhaps?19:05
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: iptables, kernel updates, CERT warnings twice a day? nope19:06
DocScrutinizer05not my business19:06
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ivgalvezbecause we really need an admin manager19:06
ivgalvezplease think it twice19:07
ivgalvezI need to leave19:07
ivgalvezspeak later19:07
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DocScrutinizer05I'm really happy about each mail I made visible to public, for documentation19:08
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: calm down, you are required why give up so easily? Disagreements will happen and can be resolved after all...19:10
* DocScrutinizer05 mumbling "my grandchildren won't believe me when I eventually telling them this story"19:10
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not resigning, I just define my own involvement and responsibility taken by the ANDing all the contradicting statements from board19:11
DocScrutinizer05then again ANDing all that against what I offered to do19:12
DocScrutinizer05the result is pretty much 0x000019:12
thedead1440so contradicting statements means you are not degraded too ;) all this actually needs to be publicly discussed instead of closed threads where nobody knows whats happening....my 2cents19:12
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and "statements" is not only verbal but also by actions19:13
DocScrutinizer05like NOT including me to discussions19:13
DocScrutinizer05NOT asking me for advice or comment19:14
DocScrutinizer05NOT keeping me up to date19:14
DocScrutinizer05NOT even noticing when I suggest professional sysops, rather blaming me for aleggedly not having done so19:15
DocScrutinizer05meh, cya19:15
thedead1440relax, they may be confused too19:15
thedead1440seems like there is no real control over things; only opinions flying everywhere without anything being coherent19:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it could still be worse21:49
keriofor instance, i've got the flu :c21:49
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SpeedEvilI have a toothache, and am trying to make an appointment for an extraction21:53
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