| kerio | an oxymoron | 00:00 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/community/security/ | 00:06 |
| vi_ | Pali: Why did you post a link to the old powertop? what is wrong with the version in the repo? | 00:08 |
| Pali | vi_, I found original official DEB package | 00:09 |
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| vi_ | Pali: did you ever get the source for meego powertop? | 00:09 |
| Pali | no :-( | 00:10 |
| * fil puzzled -- I can find references to people wanting to rebuild newer rtmpdump from 2010 onwards, and yet the version available from the repos is still the 1.9-1 version from Jan 2010 | 00:13 | |
| fil | is it setting the SDK up that's impossible, or building the package, or uploading it, or getting it through some sort of QA? Or has anyone that's able moved on to pastures new already? | 00:14 |
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| kerio | fil: building a binary is easy | 00:25 |
| kerio | maintaining a package in a repo is kinda boring | 00:26 |
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| kerio | fil: also, i'd like to watch twitch.tv streams on my n900, just for the novelty | 00:26 |
| kerio | so please do | 00:26 |
| fil | kerio: well, as a Debian Developer, I'm aware of what's needed to maintain a package, but the fact that nobody seems to have tried in this case makes me wonder how much extra friction there is when comparing maemo with debian | 00:35 |
| ShadowJK | extras-devel has no QA | 00:37 |
| * ShadowJK would guess the original maintainer left | 00:37 | |
| fil | anyway, my wife tells me it's bed-time, so I'll say nn, and read the backlog tomorrow for people trying to inspire me to put the effort in ;-) | 00:37 |
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| unclouded | is there any way to add a contact ( name and phone number) from the command line? | 04:01 |
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| robbiethe1st | unclouded, I believe so. It;s going to be a dbus command though | 04:07 |
| unclouded | sounds good. is there an example somewhere? I couldn't find one on the wiki | 04:08 |
| robbiethe1st | There's something in the wiki about 'phone control' | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | check that out | 04:09 |
| unclouded | got it. thank you. http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 04:12 |
| unclouded | there's an awful lot of good stuff on that page but nothing about adding contacts unfortunately | 04:15 |
| unclouded | the store seems to be /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db. what format is that? | 04:15 |
| robbiethe1st | No clue | 04:17 |
| robbiethe1st | Open it in a hex editor and see | 04:17 |
| unclouded | seems to have some binary junk and then VCARD sections | 04:18 |
| unclouded | "file" says: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) | 04:18 |
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| unclouded | ruby-bdb ( on a desktop) is helping. it seems to be a hash from digits ( position within the phone book) to "BEGIN:VCARD..." | 04:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind me what "CC device" stands for. | 05:26 |
| Ken-Young | Charge Coupled Device? | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | credit card | 05:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/community/council/2012-11-30_and_2012-12-07_council_meeting_minutes/ | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | candy cane | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | In relationship to the N9s and N950s that were handed out. | 05:29 |
| Ken-Young | Community Council | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cc might mean the NFC on the n9 | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | which as I understand it requires a chip the n9 does not have - to pretend to be a nfc payment card | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | as well as the cooperation of MasterCard/visa/... | 05:31 |
| Ken-Young | The devices that the Community Council distributed which caused a brew-ha-ha. | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, thanks. | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: coding competition iirc | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526&page=3 might be a start | 09:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: "import evolution" is the key | 09:56 |
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| unclouded | nice idea. maybe I can get a small python script to add contacts | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please share when finished | 09:58 |
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| unclouded | this is probably a better way. ruby-bdb could read the contact database OK but when I wrote a new contact to it and transferred it back to the N900 then eds hung | 10:03 |
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| mickname | is it possible to open any program "fullscreen", without hildon-status-menu? https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnizi7pcef3p34u/Screenshot-20121216-223805.png | 11:29 |
| mickname | ps windows seems top be undecorated but i would like it to be fullscreen | 11:29 |
| mickname | (and yeah, im not serious) | 11:30 |
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| StyXman | mickname: some apps work full screen; see the browser, marble, etc | 12:04 |
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| unclouded | what do I need to get python-evolution working? "evolution.ebook.list_addressbooks()" returns "None". I'm not running as root and have python-gnome2 installed. The following example suggests that no special initialisation is required: http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/QueryCommand/EvolutionSearch | 12:24 |
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| luf | unclouded: there is little bit different adressbook obaining as the default addressbook is accessible a little bit different way. | 12:29 |
| luf | I don't remember it. I have to take a look into eds source code ... | 12:30 |
| unclouded | ah ok. just by playing around I tried "evolution.ebook.open_addressbook('default')". does that sound right? | 12:33 |
| luf | I don't think so. | 12:37 |
| luf | http://pastebin.com/i94vFtSq | 12:37 |
| luf | The maemo usually goes through the last else (begin with char ^filename) | 12:37 |
| luf | It's maemo specific. | 12:38 |
| luf | I'm sorry on maemo it should work the way you mentioned. | 12:38 |
| luf | But maybe system instead of default ... I don't know how it's in python binded. | 12:39 |
| luf | addressbook/libebook-dbus/e-book.c (in eds source) | 12:40 |
| luf | I hope I remember this well. | 12:40 |
| unclouded | ok, cheers. i'll have a play and see what works | 12:42 |
| luf | And the default should be ok. Because it tries to find the default one and if none is exist then the system one is tried. | 12:42 |
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| luf | (very similar function as for system addressbook) | 12:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990571#post990571 | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ebook = evolution.ebook.open_addressbook("default") | 13:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to be 'user' for it to work | 13:26 |
| unclouded | cheers, I'm getting the hang of this and writing a python script that looks quite similar | 13:27 |
| unclouded | although this one looks like it does a better job of command line arguments than I was going to | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think my version of the above python thingie got even a few more tweaks, but i can't recall which ones | 13:30 |
| unclouded | where is it best to post when I'm done? I read that the wiki is read-only now? | 13:31 |
| merlin1991 | unclouded: drop it on tmo | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/contact | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your convenience | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: (post on tmo) i'd suggest to add it to the thread as of above | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's just the f^-1 | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka inverse function | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: maybe you even could merge the two? | 13:43 |
| unclouded | that does make sense. no point in having several scripts to manage the addressbook from the command line | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I really don't get it why so many even devels suggest to invoke their python scripts like "python myscript.py" | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shebang line been invented for a reason after all | 13:58 |
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| flux | docscrutinizer05, probably works better in windows? | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahaha | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this rationale makes perfect sense for python scripts that clearly are meant to run on maemo5 only | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but you actually might have a point there, maybe those devels are the ones that came from windows and maybe even still using it as their main OS | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the concept of executable scripts is somewhat strange to them | 14:05 |
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| merlin1991 | though you can associate .py files with python in win and start them via double click | 14:15 |
| merlin1991 | and the shebangline is ignored by the python interpreter | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has to, since that's the concept of shebang, the *whole* file gets interpreted by the interpreter from shebang | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang acctually the interpreter in shebang gets invoked with all the parameters in shebang, plus the filename itself as additional parameter | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err nonsense in wikipedia - ":" is NOT a comment, it's the null function | 14:28 |
| unclouded | DocScrutinizer05, it's posted to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60526&page=3. will look in to merging the two scripts tomorrow | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclouded: nice :-) | 14:29 |
| unclouded | thanks for all the help! :) | 14:32 |
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| thp | anyone else got problems logging into wiki.maemo.org right now? | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thp: err, got it fixed this morning? it's been borked since 2 months or more now | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CBA to even check | 14:50 |
| jon_y | me~CBA | 14:51 |
| jon_y | ~CBA | 14:51 |
| infobot | i guess cba is Can't Be Arsed. | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! wated time... >> A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "User::saveSettings". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'joerg_rw' for key 2 (apps.maemo.org)". << same as it "ever" was | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody got NO errors on wiki login? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (and/or anonymous wiki edit ->save) | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/wated/wasted/. | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | So im making a tool for surgical replacement of mce valurs | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | Values | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: old fart!! :-))) | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long time no see | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, likewise :D | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we damn would need any available help from your side during those tough times | 15:12 |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/TQMPCaXr | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | plan to use it in Harmattan's extended-power-menu postinst | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | sed proved to be not advanced for the job | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, nice | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an augmented led-pattern installer | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | led-pattern-editor for that | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | I don't look at mce.ini's keys(!!!) | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | well, sections | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | [Display] etc | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | I simply look for the key, and replace its value | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which *might* give you headache eventualy | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but not for the purpose I'm using it for | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | only one possible occurrence for PowerKeyLongAction | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure sure | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise mce itself would go bonkers | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you pondered using existing ini-parser libs for that? | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they _would_ check for keys | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err sections | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever the name | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | QSettings, but if you remember way back, it doesn't like comments | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that BS | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | we tried it for hildon-desktop's transitions.ini | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | it messed it up afair | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so forget my comment | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | and mce.ini is a bit dangerous | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | screw something up and bootloop the user's device :) | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | implemet a rescue fallback, resetting all edits when bootloop kicks in | 15:17 |
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| MohammadAG | would be interesting for the CSSU, when I start that :P | 15:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels reminded to windows system files security concept, and BURRPS | 15:18 | |
| MohammadAG | err, start looking into that* | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, rescueboot seems to do exactly that | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | links in to bootmenu | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some other sections like events.d seems to have similar concepts | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: anyway, are you aware of the doomsday situation maemo at large is facing right now? | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | looks like it's going fine :p | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHA | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we (council, board) are doing our very best, but jury is still out on whether that's actually enough | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: anyway I'd appreciate very much to see you around on future council meetings in #maemo-meeting, each Friday evening | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | ping me in any way besides IRC | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | (if I'm not here) | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG | ever since I got rid of the iPhone I no longer have always-on push notifications | 15:24 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I redirect stderr to a file? | 15:32 |
| jon_y | command 2>file | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG | thanks jon-kha | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | err | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | thanks jon_y | 15:38 |
| jon_y | np | 15:39 |
| jon_y | there was a way to perma redirect, but I forgot | 15:39 |
| jon_y | *forgot how | 15:39 |
| jon_y | close and open files from the shell and attach them to the descriptors | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | jon_y, only need a temp solution, qDebug sends to stderr | 15:40 |
| jon_y | kind of why high security programs need to explicitly close and reopen stdout/err | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, http://pastebin.com/mUjC3egR :) | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: man bash|less +'/^[^a-z]*Pipelines' | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | that new line at the end bothers me though | 15:41 |
| jon_y | ok | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: (permanent way) in shellscript: exec 2>file | 15:41 |
| jon_y | ah yes, that | 15:42 |
| jon_y | bash is one of the better shells, I'm forced to use tcsh at work | 15:43 |
| jon_y | funky quoting system is always broken in tcsh | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew | 15:44 |
| jon_y | "string\"" <- this is an error in tcsh | 15:44 |
| jon_y | unmatched " | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for some weird reason, when I started with linux, tcsh been default shell | 15:44 |
| jon_y | when was that? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took me like 2 months to go SCREWDAT! and get bash | 15:45 |
| jon_y | when was tcsh ever default? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err 199x | 15:45 |
| jon_y | ah | 15:45 |
| jon_y | I first used Linux around 2000 | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when started KDE? | 15:46 |
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| jon_y | probably around 2005-ish | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | noway | 15:46 |
| jon_y | or later | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kde3 maybe | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FoundedOctober 14, 1996 | 15:48 |
| jon_y | I used kde3 for the first time was on Knoppix :) | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I guess I started before that | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde | 15:48 |
| jon_y | very much gnome before that since it was default on redhat based distros | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions#Origins so that's about the time where I started looking into linux (minix before) | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably before some of you were born ;-D | 15:52 |
| jon_y | well, the Linux machines at work are SLES machines | 15:53 |
| jon_y | kernel 2.6.16 is the most bleeding edge :( | 15:54 |
| jon_y | or was it 2.6.18 | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, those 40 disks full of slackware, I recall and shudder | 15:54 |
| jon_y | glacial pace indeed | 15:54 |
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| jon_y | wow, there is a SLES12 | 15:55 |
| jaska | forced.. to.. use... tcsh :( | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and before linux there been true unix and AmigaOS | 15:58 |
| jaska | cruel and unusual punishment. | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 15:58 |
| jon_y | jaska: EVERYBODY USES TCSH THERE | 15:59 |
| jon_y | they don't know any better | 15:59 |
| jaska | in hell? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ROTFL | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: +1 | 15:59 |
| jon_y | also, I'm forced to use PHP | 16:00 |
| jon_y | yeah, it is kind of a hell hole | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I heard it's usefull for a certain class of problems | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (php) | 16:00 |
| jon_y | the thing about php is that when it errors out, you get a blank page | 16:00 |
| jon_y | no message whatsoever | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 16:01 |
| jon_y | you have to make a support ticket to get the lazy ass admin to read the apache logs | 16:01 |
| jon_y | logs are lockdown tight that nobody else can read it | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use your own local apache for development then? | 16:02 |
| jon_y | yeah, on my windows machine :| | 16:02 |
| jon_y | company laptop runs windows only | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mmmpff :x | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reminds me of my last and current job | 16:02 |
| jon_y | sometimes, even if you rsync the code over to the production machine, you still get a mysterious blank page :( | 16:03 |
| jon_y | *php code | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tribute to gates | 16:03 |
| jon_y | well, the worst thing is that I sometimes encounter Perl code that don't use strict | 16:04 |
| jon_y | cthulhu pops up when you upgrade the Perl interpreter | 16:04 |
| jon_y | Perl Critic should be mandatory | 16:05 |
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| jon_y | and occasionally you find stupid C/C++ code written by shell script people | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though decent shell script people are rare and also are capable of writing decent code in any language | 16:06 |
| jon_y | how stupid could you get to do system(string1 + std::string(argv[2])) in a sudo program | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 16:07 |
| jon_y | the only reason they C++ is that they couldn't figure out how to concat in C | 16:07 |
| jon_y | and glib because they can't understand memory management | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, time to wave and run | 16:09 |
| jon_y | I'm lucky to be moving off maintaining a program that does that glib memory allocation, YET have input limits | 16:09 |
| jon_y | it has arbitrary input limits, yet uses dynamic memory :( | 16:09 |
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| jon_y | I wonder what other adventures I'll have in 2013 | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: lazy bugger, /join #maemo-ssu !!! | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: what's wrong with your irc client? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no autojoin? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: you're still main maintainer of cssu-t | 16:11 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, my client is fine, znc goes down -> channels lost | 16:14 |
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| thp | DocScrutinizer05: seems like it's not yet fixed. [...] from within function "User::saveSettings". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'thp' for key 2 (apps.maemo.org)". | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thp: see recent mail on community-ML from jaffa | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long hurting PITA | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and now bbl, for good | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | heh. Got a call from someone requesting help upgrading their Lumia's OS. | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK | Zune is pretty horrible and confusing, well and also WinPho, it told him he needed Windows 8. | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | Biggest issue though (and here it gets on-topic again) was his Lumia's USB port was loose :-) | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: I thought they made it rock solid after n900? | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | to that I say: lol | 19:10 |
| RST38h | is reliable robust microUSB at all possible? =) | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | the cool thing about the round plugs is that they're more or less self centering | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | and they don't even stop working if you bend them | 19:12 |
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| RST38h | yep | 19:15 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to return the 2.5mm plug | 19:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 2.5mm for USB would be a charm if it wasn't for the USB2.0 requirements regarding symmetry and parasitic capacity, anf the ID pin | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | Doc: I just want it for charging | 19:31 |
| RST38h | Doc: They can keep damn USB for data. | 19:31 |
| RST38h | Also, circular jacks are known to carry stereo sound *and* video, that is 3 wires + ground. Not bad for such a simple design. | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | for charging nothing beats a pair of gold plated pads on case surface | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with a 'plug' with two pogopins and a magnet | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, maybe inductive charging | 19:34 |
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| kerio | it happened again, current absorbed ~200mA with nothing running | 19:40 |
| kerio | powertop reporting a lot of DMA wakeups | 19:40 |
| kerio | what the shit | 19:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what the shit | 19:42 |
| kerio | it wasn't bluetooth, it wasn't the modem, it wasn't wifi | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | ifconfig wlan0 down | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | ? | 19:43 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: hmm, i actually haven't checked | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | then offline cellular internets | 19:43 |
| kerio | i stopped sscd at one point | 19:44 |
| kerio | and stopped bluetoothd | 19:44 |
| kerio | ...maybe that didn't necessarily stop the cellmo? | 19:44 |
| ShadowJK | wlan is sometimes left active even though it looks disconnected in gui :) | 19:45 |
| kerio | hm, i haven't actually disconnected the wifi connection this morning | 19:46 |
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| kerio | but what about the high DMA? | 19:47 |
| kerio | it was like 2000 | 19:48 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: could the uSD swap cause this? | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | never happened to me | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | Usually mysterius powerdraws have been either wifi or cellular | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | they both tend to get stuck in lowsignal conditions for me | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | radio stacks are definitely not recovering well from a few certain state transitions | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me that some state transitions have no timeout | 20:33 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: doing ifconfig wlan0 down would fix that, right? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that and maybe rmmod wl1251 | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wl12xx actually | 20:35 |
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| * ShadowJK 'd try ifconfig wlan0 down first | 20:47 | |
| ShadowJK | also because that codepath probably has more testing than rmmod codepath ;p | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think they are complementary | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably can't rmmod with if up | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and at least for pre-PR1.1(?) it been notorious that WLAN eats battery like mad when not associated to an AP, until you'd rmmod wl12xx | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly a bug in wl12xx.ko | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the origin and birth of all those auto-disconnect tools btw, in my book | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays they should be more or less of arguable usefulness, except for inbound IP traffic via GPRS (pings etc) which you can't stop in any other way than tearing down the APN of GPRS | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which I doubt any of those auto-disconnectors does | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | frals: on topic - is fmms tearing down the existing APN connection to establish the MMS connection, or did you manage to find a way to have concurrent APNs active on BB5 cmt? | 21:09 |
| frals | concurrent | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coooool | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather that happend with a truckload of help from ISI guys? | 21:11 |
| frals | just needed a pointer from one of the guys there, it was already implemented in the stack | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is this wireless modem API spec actually so much to the point that it allows concurrent APNs to get set up and activated | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc AT cmd set according to 3GPP allows up to 4 | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, this system (maemo5) had - and still has - such an amazing potential that just rots due to missing documentation | 21:16 |
| frals | some operators dont allow it thou | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | recently I heard stskeeps sighing "If only Nokia had opened up ICD2!" | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he considered it the more functional alternative to networkmanager and whatnot else available out there | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tend to agree | 21:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how long a porduct has to be EOL until Nokia's lawyers declare all documentation and related stuff non-relevant for further business and just allow to dump it to some rapidshare or git or whatever | 21:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without any further inspection or approvement | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia: consider that it's *deletion* of data that costs energy (see wikipedia: "entropy") - so please just move it to a publish storage, think green, save our environment! | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | public* | 21:24 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not sure that that's how it works | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | orly? ;-P | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or did you mean my rationale regarding enery<->info convertability? I could try to find out ho many Joule worth of energy is contained in one bit | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how many* | 21:30 |
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| RST38h | How about half a bit? =) | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I'n NOT e*_ | 21:30 |
| RST38h | ...as we are already in the metaphysical territory... | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: like with energy you have a Plank quantum for info as well | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Well... you do not really know | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, that's absolutely non-metaphysical | 21:31 |
| RST38h | See, you are thinking digital terms | 21:32 |
| kerio | we're thinking information | 21:32 |
| kerio | a non-quantized amount of information is impossible to have, and impossible to transfer | 21:32 |
| RST38h | But there are all kinds of information storage devices which contain tangled data | 21:33 |
| RST38h | See "associative memory" | 21:33 |
| kerio | that's just compression | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Well, for a sysadmin, everything is compression | 21:33 |
| RST38h | But what if the input is analogue and the output is analogue and there is a neural network in between? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Or some other phenomenon that stores sum of states? | 21:34 |
| kerio | you have a physical loss of precision at *some* point | 21:34 |
| kerio | there you can quantify | 21:34 |
| RST38h | kerio: You can't talk about "precision" without defining domain first | 21:35 |
| RST38h | in discrete domain you have got finite sets of bits that you sysadmins call "integers" | 21:35 |
| RST38h | they are not really integers in math sense, because they are a subset of the integer set | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1 bit of entropy frees a certain amount of other energy though. It's clearly defined. I'm not totally sure this http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=convert+1+bit+to+joule is already what I'm searching for, but the highest entropy is in a filled storage and the lowest entropy in a all-zeroes storage | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | Doc, you did notice Wolfram telling you that "bits and joules are not compatible", didn't you? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's the reason this little daemon that opens the microscopic door to let fast water molecules to the right chanber and only slow molecules to the left, well it doesn't work since that daemon needs *energy* to **forget** what he just learned about speed of that molecule | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Now, replace molecules with electrons or photons, and go crazy =) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: sure I noticed that, but did you see the words "entropy2 and "Joule" in the formula below? | 21:38 |
| RST38h | yeah | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | I think poor engine is trying to make SOME sense of the query | 21:38 |
| RST38h | But the query is still invalid without specifying how you represent bits | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Oh well, enough metaphysics, sleepy time. | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: fast and slow water photons??? .oO(ªÐ€Ł©®) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Doc: there are plank time and plank distance btw | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: nope, you don't get it. Entropy is about pure info, irrespective of representation | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: in case you want to ponder on that world-is-a-simulation thing ;) | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Doc: You just used molecules, didn't you? Here is your representation | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! | 21:42 |
| RST38h | I mean, yes, there is entropy in info theory and there is entropy in thermodynamics. Now, are they the same thing? =) | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: a cleared storage contains potential energy | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>However, due to the connection between thermodynamic entropy and information entropy, this also meant that the recorded measurement must not be erased. << | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since erasure eats energy | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just as much energy as you could've possibly harvested by that daemon | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ergo: 1 bit has a clearly defined amount of energetic equivalent | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how you2represent" it | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how you "represent" it | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither the representation (instance) of the info nor that of the energy is relevant | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Erasing information is a thermodynamically irreversible process that increases the entropy of a system<< | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by decreasing the local entropy in the storage | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway no matter what wolfram says about compatibility between bit and Joule, a 4.1E-21 Joule/bit sound about right to me | 21:58 |
| kerio | heh | 21:58 |
| kerio | at 300K though | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: never mess with a physics prof about intriguing physics niche cases | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you're not that involved in the topic as your opponent | 22:03 |
| kerio | hehe | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Regarding Landauer's principle, the minimum energy dissipated by deleting information was experimentally measured by Eric Lutz et al. in 2012.[11] << | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [11]^ jobs (2012-03-07). "The unavoidable cost of computation revealed : Nature News & Comment". Nature.com. Retrieved 2012-09-07. | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so pretty please Nokia, don't increase entropy of our universe, just release complete source code of maemo instead of deleting it eventually when nobody can recall what it been for | 22:11 |
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| kerio | somehow i don't think that the entropy generated by sending the source somewhere is less than the entropy generated by deleting it | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.nature.com/news/the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed-1.10186 | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | kerio: then you don;t know what entropy is | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: SSSHHHHHH! | 22:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh, sorry | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: isn't Maxwell's demon being dead some kind of old news? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | aah, those journalists :D | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since it is and I knew why, I was so certain about me being right in my dispute with RST38h | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | heh, seems I am late for the party :D:D:D. I just read the backscroll | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Landauer's Limit | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If I (an EE concerned about chip building) wouldn't ever have heard about it, I should serach for another job | 22:20 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how close are we to that limit, in current circuits? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Meanwhile, in fledgling quantum computers, which exploit the rules of quantum physics to achieve greater processing power, this limitation is already being confronted. “Logic processing in quantum computers already is well within the Landauer regime,” says physicist Seth Lloyd of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge. “One has to worry about Landauer's principle all the time.”<< | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: in silicon chips that work with thousands of electrons to store a single bit, we're not yet close | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | Any tips on soldering? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | Need to solder ID pin with GND | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't burn your fingers ;-P | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | And the cable before that, broke it by mistake | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a more serious comment: don't inhale the fumes | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and practice practice practice | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | Besides that? | 22:27 |
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| MohammadAG | The practice part is hard | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more practice | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | most important two bits (well, 3) of soldering: use right temperature of iron, and heat both objects you want to connect. And use high quality solder | 22:29 |
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| kerio | think of the entropy you created to share those three bits! | 22:29 |
| merlin1991 | and gain, dn't inhlae the fumes | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a #4: don't move the solder joint until it's completely solid and cold | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | err | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | and again, don't inhale the fumes | 22:30 |
| merlin1991 | also it's handy to have one of those solder removal tools in case stuff goes the wrongdirection | 22:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | #1 don't pick up/catch the iron by the hot end. | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | even if it's 'off'. | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too hot soldering iron will burn the flux in your solder and even the solder itself. Too low temperature will cause you to heat stuff too long and so distruct it | 22:31 |
| flux | #2 solder with your pants on | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | that one is also important. | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | #3 don't put the soldering iron flat on the table because "it doesn't touch the desk anyways" | 22:33 |
| merlin1991 | #4 don't try to catch it when it falls after having violated #3 | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, just practice practice practice. You'll learn all of the rest no other way | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe that bit with the fumes ;-P | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for that look at me X-P | 22:36 |
| kerio | 420 BLAZE IT | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh!! NEVER use cheap flux!! | 22:37 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: those fumes... are they the nice kind that gets you high? | 22:37 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: you're better off with glue ;) | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless it's explicitly rated "electronic flux" it's more of a etching stuff than any help for your circuit | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: only if you love lead in your brain | 22:39 |
| kerio | who doesn't? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yep, glue is waaaay better | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: probably when you pay as much for your first solder wire as you pay for your first dirt cheap soldering iron (30W), you're on the safe side | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | 30-130W | 22:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks there must be a billion and one youtube videos titled "soldering for dummies" or the like | 22:42 | |
| MohammadAG | Looked at those | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | But it all looks simpler in vids | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | I found the ID pin, its not connected | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | But i broke pin 3 | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | Well, whatever was connected to it | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway when there's any noticable delay in melting soldering wiro on iron's tip, it's too cold. When solder bubbles, "cooks" and smokes a lot it's probably too hot. When solder gets "brittle" while on hot tip, it definitely is way too hot | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove solder from tip with a wet sponge | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, damp sponge | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if solder falls off from tip instead of melting on it and sticking to it, get a better tip, the one you got is uter crap | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | hm eudev looks interesting | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you forgot the sponge thing | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: and honestly, practice on a at least 10 arbitrary thin wires before you try fixing real stuff | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 100% guarantee that you ruin your first 5 solder joints and the objects you try to solder | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | after ~50 joints you might call yourself a beginner, depending on your talent a promising or a desperate one | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: soldering in one sentence: clean your object to solder, place tip with a tiny bit of solder to both object you want to join same time, to heat them both up, then feed a bit of solder to *the* *objects* NOT to tip, objects need to be hot enough to make the solder wire melt, stop feeding solder when both objects are connected / covered with one small blob of molten solder. Done | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | remove solder iron and wire and let the joint cool down *without* *moving* it | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole process mustn't take longer than ~10s. If it doesn't work in 10s, let cool down completely and start from very beginning | 23:04 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer05++ | 23:05 |
| Gh0sty | at least someone who knows how it's done correctly | 23:05 |
| Gh0sty | a lot of guys would melt the solder on the tip etc :p | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm practicing it since, duh... 43 years? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 46? | 23:05 |
| Gh0sty | I am not that old yet ;p | 23:06 |
| Gh0sty | but soldering since my 12th or smth :} | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6th or 7th | 23:06 |
| Gh0sty | but nowadays its not the soldering but the firmware that breaks :( | 23:06 |
| Gh0sty | my n900 still acting up ... | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | now its like: | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | pull battery | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | start | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | led controller work + keyboard backligt works fine | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | leave it on for a day (in stdby) | 23:07 |
| Gh0sty | keyboard backlight works only on the left hand side of the keyboard | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 23:08 |
| Gh0sty | and the led itself doesnt work anymore :/ | 23:08 |
| Gh0sty | duh? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you tried to directly hammer the sysnodes? | 23:08 |
| Gh0sty | no | 23:08 |
| Gh0sty | but I guess its software messing it up after a while | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite unusual | 23:09 |
| Gh0sty | so a full reflash could possibly fix it? :/ | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got fcam? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | powerkernel? | 23:09 |
| Gh0sty | did have, removed it a while ago | 23:09 |
| Gh0sty | powerkernel yes | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | powerkernel *had* strange stuff in sys for lp5523 | 23:10 |
| Gh0sty | after fcam things improved a little (before the led was dead even after pulling battery) | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fcam does strange stuff to the non-strange sys nodes of lp5523 | 23:10 |
| Gh0sty | strange thing is ... this happens *now* | 23:10 |
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| Gh0sty | while I run the same software for ... probably half a year :/ | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly to me this doesn't exactly sound like sw problem | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mompls | 23:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what? kernel-power has no patch for lp5523 | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it *had* | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know you removed it eventually | 23:12 |
| Pali | $ git log | grep lp5 --> empty | 23:12 |
| Pali | now I looked into full diff history and only nokia patches has substring lp5 | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: for f in /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb*/; do echo 50 >${f}led_current; echo 100 >${f}brightness; done | 23:14 |
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| Gh0sty | and what should that do? | 23:15 |
| Gh0sty | light it up like a christmastree? :p | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shine up all 6 kbd leds | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only if you don't enter on device (key-release event) | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you enter it on device, prepend a `sleep 10` | 23:16 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ok I found some *disabled* leds-lp5523.diff patch in git | 23:16 |
| Pali | s/git/git history/ | 23:16 |
| infobot | Pali meant: DocScrutinizer05, ok I found some *disabled* leds-lp5523.diff patch in git history | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: toldya | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | Ok, so my first practice attempt failed | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | I knocked off some chip | 23:17 |
| Gh0sty | lol DocScrutinizer05 | 23:18 |
| Gh0sty | you know what that did? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: how do you stand this shit | 23:18 |
| Gh0sty | now the right hand side is lit up | 23:18 |
| Gh0sty | and the left is out :p | 23:18 |
| Gh0sty | when executing the command however the whole keyboard lights up shortly | 23:19 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 23:19 |
| Gh0sty | from the moment I touch the "screen activate" button | 23:19 |
| Gh0sty | its again the left side | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: you maybe got a pre-summit (very early proto) N900? | 23:19 |
| Gh0sty | not that I know of | 23:20 |
| Gh0sty | bought it in a regular store | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then nope | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce borked | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or something weird interfering with mce on lp5523 | 23:20 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 23:20 |
| Gh0sty | can i do selective backup? | 23:21 |
| Gh0sty | like ... only contacts or something ... | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's what maemo backup gives you | 23:21 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes | 23:21 |
| Gh0sty | right | 23:21 |
| Gh0sty | so used to dumping the whole thing with backupmenu :p | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to do a lsof|grep lp55 before | 23:22 |
| Gh0sty | no modules like that | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though that not even shows mce on my system | 23:22 |
| Gh0sty | ergh no open stuff like that :p | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modinfo leds_lp5523 | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | srcversion: 6C5B926F43DDD08CE15A802 | 23:24 |
| Gh0sty | http://pastebin.com/qAXL8hRz | 23:24 |
| Gh0sty | http://pastebin.com/mwzkjn1A | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly hope KP52 doesn't fsckup I2C again | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | smeels | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | smells* | 23:26 |
| Gh0sty | I could try to downgrade kernel again I guess | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops KP51 | 23:27 |
| Gh0sty | lemme see | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.6.28.10-power51 | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this *very* much feels like a hw issue, at least something like I2C kernel driver fckdup, like it been in KP48(?) | 23:28 |
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| Gh0sty | what should i install | 23:29 |
| Gh0sty | kernel-maemo ? | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you already gone thumby | 23:30 |
| Gh0sty | thumby? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thombified system | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If you were, you'd know | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, reflash stock PR1.3 and test | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then go back to current system via BM and act accordingly to what you found | 23:33 |
| Gh0sty | dammit | 23:33 |
| Gh0sty | now its stuck in reboot loop | 23:33 |
| Gh0sty | fuck :( | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind that you need to install same KP51 before you restore from BM | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you flashed stock kernel but forgot the modules? | 23:34 |
| Gh0sty | ah thats not a dependency | 23:35 |
| Gh0sty | grzm | 23:35 |
| Gh0sty | great | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flash KP51 via flasher, to recover | 23:35 |
| Gh0sty | bootmenu but no keyboard to work :( | 23:35 |
| Gh0sty | where do i find kp51 for flasher? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: ^^ | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 23:36 |
| infobot | well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 23:37 |
| Pali | flash stock 2.6.28 version | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he got kp51 modules | 23:37 |
| Pali | also depmod was called? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather flashing stock kernel is what he did | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then bootlooped | 23:38 |
| Pali | here is flasher deb package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/ | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 23:39 |
| Pali | just undeb it and flash kernel fiasco image | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's for systems that don't bootloop | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 23:39 |
| Pali | $ dpkg -x package.deb unpacked_dir | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: ^^^ | 23:39 |
| Pali | $ flasher-3.5 -F unpacked_dir/boot/<image>.fiasco -f -R | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: ^^^ | 23:40 |
| Gh0sty | checking ... | 23:41 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, any news from nokia/nemein about migration? | 23:44 |
| Gh0sty | kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-10power51_armel.deb | 23:44 |
| Gh0sty | dpkg -x gives a dir with only etc and usr | 23:44 |
| Gh0sty | no boot | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: nope | 23:44 |
| Pali | Gh0sty, sry, you need package kernel-power | 23:45 |
| Pali | not -flasher | 23:45 |
| Gh0sty | ah k | 23:46 |
| Gh0sty | hmm i had 51 not 51r1 I guess :p | 23:46 |
| Pali | you should use r1 | 23:46 |
| Gh0sty | yeah but if I did have none r1 | 23:47 |
| Gh0sty | can I flash with r1 ? | 23:47 |
| Pali | it has same vermagic | 23:47 |
| Pali | only suffix in deb package version | 23:47 |
| infobot | Pali meant: "yes" | 23:48 |
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| Gh0sty | nope | 23:55 |
| Gh0sty | it uninstalled all the kernel-power stuff I guess? :/ | 23:55 |
| Gh0sty | its not rebooting | 23:56 |
| Gh0sty | just shuts down now :/ | 23:56 |
| Gh0sty | see the white nokia screen for 10 sec | 23:57 |
| Gh0sty | and black | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yay | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, flash PR1.3 stock | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | test | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | restore BM | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/restore BM/err scratch that, install KP51, then restore from BM/ | 23:59 |
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