IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-12-15

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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: what is it that reminds you of those times?00:24
ShadowJKMaybe a longing wishing maemo infra was  built with distributability and portability in mind00:24
DocScrutinizer05hah00:25
ShadowJKlike, the builders would be a nice contained unit like that00:25
DocScrutinizer05funny detail: that friend of mine suggested running tmo on a VM, on a dedicated server for 50EUR, from Hetzner00:25
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ShadowJKMy current dedi is like 38/month (excl vat)00:26
DocScrutinizer05and he offered doing the backup to his own box he got there00:26
* ShadowJK wouldn't trust anyone of you to have access to it though00:26
DocScrutinizer05meh00:27
ShadowJK(root access)00:27
DocScrutinizer05that's why my friend is doing the system admin, and not any "volunteer" from here00:28
ShadowJKThe day after I'd find my /home has vanished, someone rebooted the server 5 times from a webgui, 3 times from CLI, and submitted 7 hard-reset requests to the datacentre00:28
ShadowJKOn day 2 there'd be a zillion apache processes and multi-gigabyte ram consuming mysql monster00:29
ShadowJKetc :P00:29
DocScrutinizer05well, my friend wouldn't submit hardreset requests to datacenter, he does it himself, he "is the datacenter"00:29
DocScrutinizer05he formerly worked for hetzner00:30
ShadowJKIt was more of a statement against the "must reboot twice a day" belief some admins have00:30
DocScrutinizer05nah, his dedicated host has a uptime of 180 days right now, he told me00:31
DocScrutinizer05we agreed to phone tomorrow, without having a beer before ;-D00:32
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ShadowJKThis is the third or fourth enivax I have. My host has really good rates and reliability, but they do a "throw out all servers and move everyone to better ones" thing occasionally00:32
DocScrutinizer05so expect that server to be up and running and available for messing around with, on sunday00:32
ShadowJKSo last two machines I didn't get to reboot even once :-/00:32
ShadowJKprobably 2 years each?00:32
ShadowJKnot having local users is advantage ;P00:32
DocScrutinizer05kernel updates are a pain though00:33
ShadowJKyes00:33
DocScrutinizer05otherwise my cloud-7 box would have an uptime of 3 years now00:33
ShadowJKI don't do it unless it's problem remotely explotable through something that's relevant on my machine00:33
DocScrutinizer05we discussed a quite interesting problem: whether subdomains like wiki.maemo.org, hosted on VM, need an own IP00:35
ShadowJKyes00:35
ShadowJKBut,00:35
ShadowJKNo buts00:36
DocScrutinizer05I asked if the dedicated server could do routing based on URLs, and seems it once could, but now no more thanks SSL00:37
ShadowJKIt's possible to have them on different ports, and have a light frontend server serve iframes to infraserverblach.maemo.org:8100:37
ShadowJKIt requires the cooperation of the host server hosting the VM for sure, and I don't know if technology exists00:38
DocScrutinizer05well, that's why I'm no sysadmin. I got no decent idea whether that works or not00:38
ShadowJKIn the longer run, we'd want maemo hosting stuff to be as non-intrusive as possible to set up on a machine00:41
DocScrutinizer05idotic spam "changelog as promised" :-S00:42
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ManoftheSeaDocScrutinizer05: Thanks for the links.  I've soldered a mini-usb back to the power, though I don't understand how to get to the upstream components for data.01:12
ManoftheSeaI don't need the data connection, just the simple short to draw up to 1A from a charger.01:12
ManoftheSeaHow do you remove the metal chip guards (emission guard?)01:13
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iluminator105when i try to connection to wifi i get network connection error01:13
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Sazpaimoncan anyone see if a package I built on harmattan will build on fremantle?06:11
SazpaimonMy laptop was stolen, and I can now only access my remote desktop to my headless desktop via my device06:12
Sazpaimonproblem is I dont have a machine to run fremantle scratchbox on06:12
Sazpaimonand without a keyboard, rdp is pointless so I cant really use it on my N906:13
Sazpaimonthe link in case anyone is interested: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=libfreerdp1_1.0.1-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=freerdp&project=home%3ASazpaimon&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard06:14
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Sazpaimonin the meantime, presencevnc is good enough06:18
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DocScrutinizer06ManoftheSea: if you neuter your USB's dataline, you will lose ability to reflash device08:06
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DocScrutinizer06ManoftheSea: the RF shielding cans can get opened like a cookie box, they have a lid you carefully pry off the body with a pinpointed small knife, strong needle, dentist tool or similar, by carefully unlocking lsatch by latch around the can for maybe 10min. Eventually the lid comes off08:08
DocScrutinizer06best to start in one corner08:09
DocScrutinizer06from corner to left first latch, then to right first, then to left 2 latches, then to right the first 2 latches. and so on08:10
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DocScrutinizer06eventually you see the first latch staying "open" (lid bent a tiny bit upward)08:11
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internetishardlot less activity in here than just a few months ago08:19
SpeedEvil:'(08:20
internetishardindeed08:20
internetishardyou carry two phones yet SpeedEvil?08:20
SpeedEvilhopefully traffic due to Jolla will pick up08:20
SpeedEvilno08:20
SpeedEvilstill on n90008:20
internetishardwhere you live?08:21
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SpeedEvilScotland08:22
internetishardAh, so you get 3G08:22
internetishardI'm still looking for a provider anywhere near me that supports 3G or HSPA+08:22
internetishardNone do for n900 freqs08:23
SpeedEvil:-(08:23
SpeedEvilCanada?08:23
SpeedEvilI forget.08:23
internetishardAnyway... I'm thinking of a future with the n900 in my backpack for whatever08:23
internetishardSF08:23
internetishardtech central08:23
internetishardbut I'll have to use some other phone for good service08:24
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SpeedEvilplanning on setting up my n900 as bridge to internet and storage for nexus 708:24
internetishardWhy not pay for internet on Nexus 7, you'll probably get better speeds @ the same price08:25
SpeedEvilWi-Fi08:25
internetishardI don't get it08:26
internetishardI guess so you can still make phone calls08:27
SpeedEvilit has no cell modem08:27
SpeedEviltablet, not phone08:27
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internetishardI've a non-cellular ipad which I tether to the n90008:36
Sc0rpiusdon't you have T-Mobile in SF?08:43
internetishardYep08:45
internetishardI just ditched them08:45
internetishardthey were charging 100$/mo for 2G for over a year08:45
internetishardwhile promising they'll support me "soon"08:45
Sc0rpiusT-Mobile should work fine in 3G with an N90008:45
Sc0rpiusat least it does in Florida08:45
Sc0rpiussince it uses 900 MHz in UMTS08:45
internetishardYeah, I hear it does in some states, and I think it did in chicago when I was there08:45
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RzRhi11:28
kerio'lo11:29
RzRis there a decent map app on n900 ?11:29
keriomap or navigation?11:29
RzRboths11:29
keriomodrana is fairly decent at both11:29
RzRbecause I plan to offer a gps device and so far I focus on lumia800 ... w/ nokia maps11:30
kerioand allows to download maps and routing data11:30
keriowhat do you mean by "offer"?11:30
RzRxmass gift11:31
RzR:)11:31
RzRM4rtinK: btw i built emacs on n95011:32
RzRgtk ui crashes but works in console11:32
keriogift to who? :O11:32
RzRsome regular non geek pple11:37
* RzR http://rzr.online.fr/q/emacs# #EmacS 24 ported to #MeeGo #HarmattanDev for !n950Club , works in #terminal ( --no-w) but #GtK #Ui is crashing11:37
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DocScrutinizer05WTF is that?11:44
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DocScrutinizer05makes my eyes bleed11:44
keriodon't you love #hashtags?11:45
DocScrutinizer05blaaeeergh!11:45
DocScrutinizer05nfc what use this is meant to serve11:46
kerio@DocScrutinizer05 #hashtags are the future man, get in the game! #oldgrumpymen11:46
DocScrutinizer05anyway if that's meant to be a valid URL, my IRC client doesn't get it11:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the # at the end of the url is just an error i think11:47
DocScrutinizer05tbh I have NFC where the "end of URL" is supposed to be11:48
DocScrutinizer05#and #I #really #don't #get #the #use #of #"hashtags"11:49
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DocScrutinizer05(now you're free to click on each of those and enter the according IRC channels XP)11:50
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M4rtinKRzR: good job ! :)13:38
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RzRM4rtinK: should I also merge your apps into shared repo ?13:54
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SuperpelicanHello everyone, I recently bought a 2nd hand Nokia N90013:58
SuperpelicanBut I have a few questions13:58
SuperpelicanMy first question is:is the Nokia N900 compatible with UHS-1 (Ultra High Speed) micro SDHC cards?13:58
SuperpelicanI mean, I doesn't have to fully make use of UHS-113:59
SuperpelicanBut the card at least has to work13:59
SuperpelicanI would like to buy a Sandisk Mobile Ultra microSDHC 8 GB Class 614:00
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SuperpelicanBecause it seems to have very good random write speeds14:00
SuperpelicanI'm planning to run alternative OSes of it14:00
SuperpelicanSo random io is more important for me then classes/sequential14:01
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DocScrutinizer05ask ShadowJK, he knows a few details about SD performance14:16
Superpelican@DocScrutinizer05:Thx for the advice14:17
* DocScrutinizer05 just got dizzy from checking http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/14:17
SuperpelicanShadowJK:Does the N900 support UHS-1 microSDHC cards?14:19
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DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: basically why shouldn't it? I mean it's SDHC14:23
DocScrutinizer05those should be compatible to all devices that can use SDHC, which N900 evidently can14:25
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DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDHC14:26
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DocScrutinizer05allegedly even 64GB SDXC cards work with N900, probably after formatting them to FAT3214:31
DocScrutinizer05speed however is a completely different story14:31
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: iirc ShadowJK claimed that 'old' class4 Sandisk are faster that all class10 incl new Sandisk cards14:33
DocScrutinizer05faster than*14:33
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SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer:Looking at Sandisk Mobile Ultra CLASS 614:38
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DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: I noticed that :-)14:53
DocScrutinizer05sorry if the knowledge I been able to share isn't matching what you looked for14:54
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DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: in short: will it work? YES. How fast? You'll have to test for yourself.14:57
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer:Really thanks for all your help14:57
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer:Than I'll buy the Sandisk Mobile Ultra 8GB class 6 :)14:58
DocScrutinizer05please report about your findings regarding speed14:58
SpeedEvilas I understand it, at a maximum clock of 25/MHz, so 12 megabytes/s14:58
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer:Don't have Windows :), so what should I use instead of CrystalMark?14:59
DocScrutinizer05now THAT'S a really good question. Testing SD cards for speed is not exactly trivial15:00
DocScrutinizer05probably benchmarking some real life app workflow would be best15:01
SpeedEvilindeed15:01
DocScrutinizer05all generic tests are way too schematic and usually miss out on some relevant aspects for real life usecases15:03
DocScrutinizer05and depending on parameters of your generic test your results may differ massively, to the point where with e.g. blockcount=1000 the card A is twice as fast as card B, while with blockcount=999 it's all the opposite15:04
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DocScrutinizer05however there are some tools for benchmarking that are better than the average, alas I don't know which those are. And for sure you can't compare results of that particular tool to the results of any other tool around, usually15:07
DocScrutinizer05you just can compare cards when tested under that particular tool, and depending on quality of the tool, it will more or less represent the real life experience with that card15:08
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DocScrutinizer05aiui the classes of SD cards are just looking at sequential write and/or sequential read15:09
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DocScrutinizer05random write is what may differ most from what the class suggests15:11
DocScrutinizer05otoh random writes are not exactly the most common usecase in real life15:12
DocScrutinizer05(at least when mounted noatime)15:12
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: anyway welcome to the club15:13
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: enjoy your N900, and take good care about your USB receptacle15:13
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: you already reflashed to a clean state?15:15
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:No, didn't reflash15:16
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:Wiped all data and settings15:16
DocScrutinizer05you probably should do that15:16
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:And installed CSSU15:17
DocScrutinizer05:nod:15:17
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:Device runs fine15:17
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:I use SSH to transfer files15:17
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SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:I already read about microUSB problems before purchase15:17
DocScrutinizer05:-)15:17
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05:So I'm extra careful15:17
DocScrutinizer05good15:18
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DocScrutinizer05depending on your favorite hobby you might consider reinforcing USB15:18
DocScrutinizer05~usbfix15:18
infobothmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)15:18
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DocScrutinizer05reinforcing a working USB is low skill weekend job15:19
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SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05 & infobot:Thanks, but I don't think I'm going to try that, I'm more of a software nerd15:30
SuperpelicanDocScruntinizer05 & infobot:I'm a bit clumsly with that kind of stuff ;)15:31
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DocScrutinizer05then better don't try it, but keep in mind to look for opportunities to get it done eventually15:31
DocScrutinizer05btw you don't need to thank the bot ;-)15:32
DocScrutinizer05~botsnack15:32
infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)15:32
DocScrutinizer05she's just listening to 'purl', otherwise you could actually thank her15:34
DocScrutinizer05thanks to purl we got those factoids anyway15:34
infobotmy pleasure, DocScrutinizer0515:34
DocScrutinizer05sometimes she listens to infobot, or apt15:35
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kerioSuperpelican: what made you buy a n900?15:43
kerioSuperpelican: also, you might want to buy a USB AF-USB AF adapter eventually15:44
Superpelicankerio:I'm planning to buy a Jolla phone when they are released, but I wanted to sell my cheap Android phone right now15:45
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Superpelicankerio:Prices of new cheap Androids are dropping very fast15:45
Superpelicankerio:So I'll not be able to sell it for more than $40 in half a year15:45
kerioi see15:45
Superpelicankerio:So I decided that I needed a phone in the mean time15:45
Superpelicankerio:I wanted a phone that wouldn't drop in price fast15:46
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Superpelicankerio:So I started searching for 2nd hand Nokia phones on a Dutch eBay like website15:46
keriothe n900 is already down15:46
Superpelicankerio:And then I saw a N900 very cheap15:46
Superpelicankerio:The N900 was always a kind of a dream phone to me15:47
Superpelicankerio:So I thought why not buy a N90015:47
keriohow much did you pay for it, if you don't mind me asking?15:47
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Superpelicankerio:Plus they're unlikely to drop in price even more, because they're getting pretty rare15:47
Superpelicankerio:I paid 80 euros (shipping included) for a few months used N90015:48
kerioSuperpelican: neat15:48
Superpelicankerio:It's like new15:48
Superpelicankerio:Aside from some scratches on the screenprotector15:48
kerioi paid 150 before the summer, for a truly almost-brand-new one15:48
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Superpelicankerio:I'm selling my Android for 60 euros now (Samsung Galaxy Mini)15:49
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Superpelicankerio:Someone I know is willing to pay that for it15:49
Superpelicankerio:While I predict that in half a year I won't be able to sell it for more then 30 euros15:50
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Superpelicankerio:And I was completely fed up with laggy, slow and boring Android15:50
Superpelicankerio:So while I wait for Jolla, a beautiful N900 eases the waiting! :)15:51
kerioi hope you'll be happy with the laggy, slow, and awesome maemo then15:51
Superpelicankerio:I haven't found the N900 lagging yet15:51
Superpelicankerio:Yes starting up apps can take a while sometimes15:51
Superpelicankerio:But I'm quite used to that and don't really mind15:51
Superpelicankerio:At least the UI is smooth15:51
Superpelicankerio:And I've true multitasking15:52
Superpelicankerio:Also I'm used to immediately closing apps when I'm done15:53
Superpelicankerio:I never have a lot running15:53
Superpelicankerio:Browser, music and something else at most15:53
Superpelicankerio:I don't need to have 9 apps running, so my phone gets slowed down15:54
Superpelicankerio:At first I thought about buying a N9, but I'd rather save the money for a Jolla device15:55
Superpelicankerio:And N900s are quite cheap15:55
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* ShadowJK is surprised how "laggy" his quadcore 1g ram android tablet is compared to N90017:31
kerioheh17:34
kerion900 with cssu-thumb?17:34
RST38hShadowJK: Can't beat N900 lag-wise17:37
RST38hShadowJK: I have to wait for dozens of seconds for it to react17:37
ShadowJKkerio; no, standard17:38
kerioRST38h: your n900 has some problems maybe17:38
ShadowJKMy android tablet, just running a single browser window with nothing open in it yet, can have 10 second delay between typing on vkbd and the vibration and letters on screen appearing17:39
RST38hkerio: same problems as everyone's17:39
ShadowJKI have to push N900 pretty hard before that happens on n90017:39
RST38hShadowJK: This is not normal17:39
RST38hShadowJK: What brand? What firmware?17:39
* RST38h suspects what is happening17:39
ShadowJKAsus TF700, android 4.1 something17:40
kerioi advise against pushing on the n900, you could risk damaging it17:40
keriobesides, it could deform, and it would look ugly17:40
RST38hOk, I have got a TF700 here17:40
RST38hIt never does that17:40
ShadowJKIt doesn't always happen, but occasionally :)17:40
RST38hSo it must be something running in background there17:40
Ikarushuh17:41
ShadowJKI hate myself for preferring firefox on android over "Browser" and Chrome :)17:42
IkarusmicroB is the best :P17:42
IkarusUI-wise atleast17:42
Ikarusit just feels right17:42
ShadowJKyeah17:43
* ShadowJK keeps wishing for N900's touchscreen too17:43
keriomicrob has an awful UI17:44
* Superpelican hopes that Jolla will create the ultimate mobile webbrowser17:45
kerioSuperpelican: that would be fennec :)17:45
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects RST38h is running john on his N900 as screensaver17:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: meh, it would only use CPU, wouldn't it17:45
DocScrutinizer05right, my bad17:46
DocScrutinizer05probably he cought some spyware that records all of RST38h's mumbling and swearing all day long, and stores it to eMMC17:46
ShadowJKlol17:47
DocScrutinizer05since actually only lag I ever see on N900 is at end of a call when recaller stores the record and tracker kicks in to index it17:47
ShadowJKHas anyone tried disabling ohmd and syspart stuff alltogether?17:48
DocScrutinizer05for sure not17:48
DocScrutinizer05major surgery17:49
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DocScrutinizer05and tbh I first had to attend some lessons about that stuff, it came "after my time"17:50
* ShadowJK should write scripts to see if over time things run into limits17:50
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: Superpelican asked about Sandisk ultra foobar SDHC17:51
ShadowJKI have no experience with it17:51
DocScrutinizer05:nod:17:51
ShadowJKBut I've been planning to buy a Sandisk UHS-I "android edition" microsdhc17:51
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DocScrutinizer05OMFG "android edition" - not really!!17:52
DocScrutinizer05what's next? abill_uk edition?17:53
kerioyou're just jealous that android gets microsds and you don't17:53
SpeedEvilI wonder if it means it supports trim somehow17:53
kerioheh, a uSD with trim would be awesome17:53
DocScrutinizer05heh, I just heard/read UDXS supports extended features17:55
DocScrutinizer05SDXC ?17:55
* DocScrutinizer05 needs a break17:55
ShadowJKThe A-data uhs-i I put in my N800 made night and day difference17:55
ShadowJKit sits happily at 400M swap used nd is still responsive17:55
ShadowJK"android" version usd seems have some vague marketing attached promising faster random i/o and better responsiveness17:56
DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDXC >>SDHC host devices do not test the new capability bits defined for SDXC 4.0 cards and thus cannot use the new features of SDXC, such as transfer speeds above UHS104 (104 MB/s).<<17:56
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: great!18:15
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kerio400mb of swap? what the hell18:20
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DocScrutinizer05HAH! https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_3/18:21
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SuperpelicanDocScrutinizer05: :018:23
SuperpelicanDocScrutinizer05:That's terrible18:23
SuperpelicanDocScrutinizer05:For an independent Foundation18:23
DocScrutinizer05also interesting that SD standard recommends a MBR and one (or more) partition(s)18:27
keriowhat the shit, why would they do that18:28
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ShadowJKBasically it's specced to match whatever some specific version of windows, at the time, did when formatting18:42
keriocan we just use them as block devices?18:43
ShadowJKKingston developed their own controller at one point, and it relies on that geometry and also that it's formatted vfat18:43
keriohahahaha18:43
kerioahahahahahahahaha18:43
keriooh ShadowJK, you're killing me18:44
kerio"kingston", pfffffffffffhwhahahaha18:44
ShadowJKThe FAT area is faster at small writes than the data area :)18:44
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ShadowJKbut kingston is also the dumping ground for random controller+flash from random manufacturers, so it's not too common to see kingston controller in a kingston card18:45
ShadowJKdont know if they even use it anymore at all18:45
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: don't kill kerio, I already see him blue in the face18:45
DocScrutinizer05well, actually it's Kingston, not you ;-)18:46
ShadowJKkerio; "I bought a high quality kingston card, it must be the card reader's fault it doesn't wokrk!"18:46
keriohahahahahahahahaha18:46
kerio"high quality" next to "kingston" is hilarious18:47
ShadowJKAll my PCs have Kingston RAM :-)18:47
DocScrutinizer05on a related topic: what brand was it that required that mmc.ko patch to not permanently damage the card?18:48
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ShadowJKi havent heard of that?18:49
DocScrutinizer05you haven't?18:49
ShadowJKnope18:49
ShadowJKI know of patch to disable omap mmc driver's overly clever timeout code18:49
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Superpelicankerio:Well my 1GB Kingston thumb drive has survived a little trip in the washing machine ;)18:51
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Superpelicankerio:That's why I bought a 8GB Kingston microSDHC18:51
DocScrutinizer05dunno, maybe this one: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mmc/msg16087.html18:51
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SuperpelicanWhen I was searching for a microSD for my phone18:51
SuperpelicanBut now my opinion on Kingston is changing heavily18:51
Superpelicantheir SSDs seem to be very slow according to several tests, the random io of most of their microSD is awful18:52
SuperpelicanAnd they're not that cheap either18:52
AoyagiCorsair for SSD, Transcend for SD is how I see it.18:52
kerioAoyagi: you mean corsair for SSD, sandisk for SD18:53
AoyagiNo, hate Sandisk.18:53
AoyagiWell, their cards anyway.18:53
ShadowJKthe previous generation sandisk was awesome18:53
ShadowJKtheir class 2 performed better than kingston/transcend/etc class 1018:54
AoyagiNo wait, that's wrong, I don't -hate- them. If it wasn't for Transcend, I'd prolly go with Sandisk.18:54
* Superpelican is about to buy a Sandisk Mobile Ultra 8GB microSDHC for his N90018:54
kerioSuperpelican: to do what?18:54
Superpelicanwait what, PREVIOUS generation18:54
ShadowJK:)18:55
kerioif you need space for OSes, you really want a card with good random read/writes18:55
Superpelicankerio:That's why I wanted to buy that card18:55
SuperpelicanIt has very good random io18:55
Superpelicanaccording to the benchmarks on the web18:55
Superpelicanfor exampel RPi forums18:55
Superpelicans/exampel/example18:56
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I can't find it anymore, but I'm rather sure we already discussed it in CSSU18:56
DocScrutinizer05so maybe Pali or FMG know what *I* meant ;-)18:56
SuperpelicanAoyagi:Haven't seen any random io benchmarks for Transcend18:57
AoyagiNeither have I.18:57
ShadowJKOne funny thing with current generation cards (seen it both on recent sandisk and a-data) is that random writes are extremely fast on new card, but then perf drops off18:57
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SuperpelicanAoyagi:I have a 16GB Transcend USB, so I'm not disliking them or something18:57
SuperpelicanI just want to have good random io18:57
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: wait a minute, timeout mode? rings a bell it seems18:57
ShadowJKbut is restored after writing card full of 018:57
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kerioShadowJK: why 0, i wonder?18:58
ShadowJKthe 32g sandisk I have can take about 2-3 minutes of random writes before it slows down to 2 IOPS18:58
kerio:c18:58
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ShadowJKYeah I wonder if the controller stores data XOR 0xFF, and thus writing 0 would be same as erasing, and it then maybe adds it to free pool18:59
ShadowJKpoor man's trim18:59
keriohave you tried with 0xFF too?19:03
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ShadowJKno19:03
DocScrutinizer05for somewhat obvious reasons :-D19:03
ShadowJKneed a /dev/one to complement /dev/zero19:03
DocScrutinizer05there's dev/zero but no dev/minusone19:04
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fluxthere could be a seqfs19:06
fluxcat /seqfs/0001011 etc19:06
fluxalthough it would need some escaping to support /dev/zero, as you cannot have octet \0 in a file name :(19:06
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: printf 0xFF >mmcfile; cat mmcfile >>mmcfile19:10
SuperpelicanSo what do you guys recommend:a Sandisk 8GB Class 4 or a Sandisk Mobile Ultra class 6?19:11
SuperpelicanWhich has better random io19:11
SuperpelicanAccording to RPi SD benchmarks class4 card was ok, but Mobile Ultra Class 6 was a lot better19:11
SuperpelicanShadowJK:What do you recommend Sandisk class 4 8GB or Sandisk Mobile Ultra Class 6?19:15
SuperpelicanShadowkJK:Will be used primary for running Nemo Mobile on N90019:15
ShadowJKi have a class 4 and it was disappointing19:16
ShadowJKso I'd get mobile ultra, or the uhs-i cards19:16
SuperpelicanShadowJK:I thought they were very good19:16
SuperpelicanShadowJK:Mobile Ultra c6 = UHS-119:16
SuperpelicanAt least he one I'm lookin at19:16
ShadowJKoh19:16
ShadowJKyeah I'm looking into getting one of the sandisk uhs cards myself19:17
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* Superpelican is frightenend: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Mobile-memory-professional-cards/MicroSD-Mobile-Ultra-8GB-is-NOT-class-6-Please-HELP-me/td-p/22066819:18
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SuperpelicanShadowJK:Sandisk Mobile Ultra I'm looking at: SDSDQY-008G-U46A19:20
SuperpelicanStrange one the Sandisk website I can only find 4GB Mobile Ultra class 6 cards19:21
ShadowJKsandisk's class ratings have always been a bit arbitrary, like I said, I have a sandisk class2 that performs like other brand c1019:21
SuperpelicanAll the 8GBs are class 1019:21
SuperpelicanYeah but class rating = sequential19:21
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: rather for ((i=0; i<256; i++)); do printf '\377'; done >mmcfile; dd if=mmcfile bs=256 count=16G >>mmcfile19:21
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ShadowJKSuperpelican; also it's minimum speed, not max19:22
ShadowJKthough kingston and friends seem to use it as max19:22
Superpelicanhttp://pct1.sandisk.com/ProductList.aspx?DeviceID=332419:23
SuperpelicanCompatible microSDs for the Nokia N900 according to Sandisk19:23
Superpelicanonly "normal" cards19:23
Superpelicanno Mobile Ultra's19:23
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ShadowJKlol19:24
ShadowJKbs :)19:24
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SuperpelicanProbably they're just meaning that UHS-1 won't work with N90019:24
ShadowJKdunno, uhs-i card worked in my N80019:25
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DocScrutinizer05uhs is a normal SDHC anyway19:25
DocScrutinizer05or SDXC19:26
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-15 13:23:41] <DocScrutinizer05> Superpelican: basically why shouldn't it? I mean it's SDHC19:26
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-15 13:25:24] <DocScrutinizer05> those should be compatible to all devices that can use SDHC, which N900 evidently can19:26
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-15 13:26:52] <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#SDHC19:26
DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDHC#UHS_Speed_Class19:28
ShadowJKuhs adds new bus modes but still supports the old ones19:28
ShadowJKiirc19:28
SpeedEvilit requires lower voltage at the higher speeds too19:29
SpeedEvil- >25m19:29
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: new datarates and clock speeds, yes19:33
DocScrutinizer05but they still support all the modes mandatory by SD spec19:34
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DocScrutinizer05>>UHS-I cards, specified in SD Version 3.01,[40] support a clock frequency of 100 MHz (a quadrupling of the original "Default Speed"), which in four-bit transfer mode could transfer 50 MB/s. UHS-I cards declared as UHS104 also support a clock frequency of 208 MHz, which could transfer 104 MB/s. UHS-I is the only class for which products are currently available.<<19:36
DocScrutinizer05however >> SD cards other than SDIO (see below) have a "Default Speed" clock rate of 25 MHz. The host device is not required to use the maximum clock speed that the card supports. It may operate at less than the maximum clock speed to conserve power.<<19:38
DocScrutinizer05ergo -> each UHS card will work in standard devices19:38
DocScrutinizer05at default clock speed19:39
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: yep, higher speeds require lower voltages, but card needs to explicitly switched into that mode19:40
DocScrutinizer05needs to be*19:40
DocScrutinizer05each card comes up in single-bit 400kHz mode19:41
M4rtinKRzR: yeah, sure19:41
DocScrutinizer05then device queries card's properties and switches card to whatever the device thinks it can support and wants to use19:42
M4rtinKRzR: just tge the right repos (I have some Fremantle & Nemo repos on COBS)19:42
M4rtinK*take19:42
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M4rtinKRzR: this is the Mieru Harmattan package repo: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Amieru19:44
M4rtinKRzR: and this is the modRana Harmattan package repo: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Amodrana19:44
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DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: isn't that stuff for #harmattan ?19:50
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M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: yeah, actually it is19:57
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: I just didn't want to break the continuity as RzR asked about it in this channel19:57
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RST38hThe dome of the capsule is to be composed of silver of millesimal fineness not less than 995 (recycled sacramental equipment preferred), and is to be parabolic in shape.20:27
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RST38hIntroduction of regular rotation system among containment personnel reduces suicide rate among task force members by 6%.20:44
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kerioRST38h: wtf?20:52
RST38h...remains of a colony of naturally-occurring nuclear reactors which, for a brief period during the Paleoproterozoic era (approx. 1700Ma), gained sapience and later became extinct.20:53
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* DocScrutinizer05 sometimes thinks RST38h has no other business than searching whole day for most nonsensical citations he can find21:15
keriodoes he do that often?21:15
DocScrutinizer05every now and then21:16
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zsolthi there.searching for an app,to plan Edinburgh bus routes.there is already one for android22:04
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keriowrite one22:06
zsoltfrom scratch?22:06
keriosure, why not :D22:06
kerioalso, is there a website for that?22:07
zsoltyes22:07
zsoltbut it would be better to fit on my n900 :-)22:07
zsolti'd like it offline22:07
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keriohm, offline routing for public transportation is a bit weird afaik22:08
keriothere's nothing for that in OSM22:08
zsolttryed to install nokia public transport,doesn't work22:08
zsoltyes,there is,but can't remember to it's name22:09
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zsoltthere is an app for helsinki22:10
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lnxmenHello22:57
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lnxmenFM Transmitter doesn't work for me // When I keep my N900 close to antenna I can hear quiet sound...22:59
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lnxmenbut N900 must touch the antenna22:59
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lnxmenI read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5669623:00
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lnxmenI have no solution23:01
lnxmenmy power_level is set on 12023:02
lnxmenEverything is updated23:03
qwazixIf you tune your radio to a station and then open the transmitter, the radio continues to play normally?23:04
qwazixor it goes silent?23:04
lnxmenit goes silent23:06
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lnxmenbut I set Line DAC to 100 in alsamixer -c023:11
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lnxmenwithout it nothing is transmitted23:12
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DocScrutinizer05you shouldn't have to mess with alsamixer23:15
DocScrutinizer05and actually that might already be your problem23:15
lnxmenokay, so I will set everything to default23:16
qwazixSorry, I got disconnected and went to check the log23:17
lnxmendone23:17
qwazixThat it goes silent it means that your hardware is ok.23:17
nox-http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/14/3768274/google-gmail-activesync-windows-phone23:18
AoyagiBah, active sync23:20
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lnxmenSo signal fm is that lousy normally?23:24
lnxmenNokia-N900:/var/log# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level23:25
lnxmen12023:25
lnxmenI can't change it...23:25
Palilnxmen, do you have kernel power v5x?23:26
lnxmenHow to check this?23:26
Pali$ uname -a23:26
lnxmen2.6.28.10-power5123:26
* ShadowJK 's fm receiver can pick up n900 at 4m or so23:27
Paliin nokia kernel is power_level locked23:27
Paliin some kernel-power there is patch for unlocking power_level23:27
Palisee $ cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/lock23:27
Paliand try to write here '0'23:27
lnxmenwroted23:28
lnxmensorry23:28
lnxmenI changed this value to 023:28
Palithen you can change power_level23:29
lnxmenYes23:29
lnxmenI can change23:29
lnxmenWhat max value can I there write down?23:31
Palimax is 12023:33
lnxmenI had it23:33
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DocScrutinizer05isn't max 147 or sth odd like this?23:34
Palino max is 12023:34
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DocScrutinizer05aiui it's audio level, not TX carrier signal level that causes the problem23:35
lnxmenWhat can I do else to improve my signal?23:36
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-15 22:11:52] <lnxmen> but I set Line DAC to 100 in alsamixer -c023:36
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-15 22:12:24] <lnxmen> without it nothing is transmitted23:36
lnxmenno23:36
lnxmenit was mistake23:36
lnxmenI can hear23:36
lnxmenbut antenna must be touched to N90023:36
lnxmenand sorry for my english23:36
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DocScrutinizer05you got any cable plugged in to N900?23:37
lnxmenI'm charging23:37
DocScrutinizer05stop that, unplug charger23:37
lnxmenand?23:38
Palithen you need modified fmtxd23:38
Paliwhich working with attached usb cable23:38
lnxmenokay23:39
keriolnxmen: find a really free frequency23:39
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DocScrutinizer05N900 attenuates FMTX signal to compensate for aerial gain from plugged cables23:40
kerioand accept that the fmtx *is* lousy23:40
lnxmenkerio: I have free frequency23:40
DocScrutinizer051) enable fmtx when no USB or headset plugged in23:41
DocScrutinizer052) see if signal has better level then23:41
DocScrutinizer053) get patched fmtxd23:42
Paliwhat about including binary patch for fmtxd into cssu?23:42
DocScrutinizer054) plug dangling USB cable to N900, since N900 can't detect a dangling cable but it boosts FM signal somewhat23:42
DocScrutinizer05Pali: arguable23:43
DocScrutinizer05Pali: actually it's not a bug23:43
kerioPali: doubtful legal status23:43
kerioi vote yes, btw23:43
Palibug is "fmtxd locking kernel power_level"23:44
Paliyou need kernel power for unlock23:44
lnxmenis patched fmtx in repo?23:44
Palino23:44
Paliit is here: http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.323:45
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lnxmenShould I replaced this file with /usr/sbin/fmtxd ...23:47
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lnxmenand chmod +x23:47
lnxmendone23:47
lnxmenshould i reboot?23:48
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keriolnxmen: stop fm transmitter, killall fmtxd to be sure, start fm transmitter23:49
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lnxmenI rebooted23:49
kerioboring :c23:49
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lnxmenand now should I plug a USB cable?23:52
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keriomeh23:54
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lnxmenI can't hear the difference ;/23:55
PaliI will create some C program for patching fmtxd23:55
Palibecause in maemo there is no patch/binary patch utility23:56
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kerioPali: just ship a generic binary patcher23:57
Palibsdiff?23:57
Pali+bspatch23:57
DocScrutinizer05Pali: actually the lock is in fmtx.ko23:58
Paliyes23:58
Palibut only fmtxd doing echo 1 > lock23:58
Paliand in kernel power there is also support for unlock23:58
lnxmenokay, I understand fmtransmitter works normally for me...23:59
lnxmenbut it's seriously that lousy?23:59
kerioyep23:59

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