IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-12-10

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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's HNP?00:16
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vi__freemangordon__: ping00:18
vi__MohammadAG: ping00:19
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vi__wtf is maemo invoker?00:35
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keriovi__: a launcher for gtk apps compiled in a special way00:38
vi__why ios nothing simple.00:38
vi__I just altered the osso-chess so it does not 'pause' the game after 30s of idle time.00:38
kerioyou just have to compile it with -rdynamic i think00:39
vi__I JUST got it to compile and it has come up with nothing but bullshit.00:39
vi__It made a 680K binary called chessui.00:39
vi__The chessui on the n900 is a symlink or some shit to maemo invoker.00:40
vi__WTF IS THIS SHIT?00:40
keriovi__: chessui.launch is the true "binary"00:40
keriobut it's not an elf you can launch directly, you need to launch it through maemo-invoker, it'll launch it inside a maemo-launcher instance00:40
kerioso libgtk won't be loaded a billion times00:40
vi__so is my chessui binary need to be renamed to chessui.launcher?00:41
keriovi__: no, you need to recompile it with an extra CFLAG i think00:41
kerioor, if you want, you can just put it instead of the symlink00:42
kerioit'll use more space and more resources though00:42
vi__and what is the magic cflag?00:43
keriovi__: CFLAGS -shared, LDFLAGS -shared -rdynamic00:45
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vi__how do I do a clean make?00:50
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FIQthese "announcements" on homepage aren't exactly up to date01:14
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: Host Negotiation Protocol
kerioi see01:23
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DocScrutinizer05the trick been like this: attach N900 to something that looks like a USB host (basically this means "provide 5V VBUS to N900, sth that can be emulated by starting bq24150 boost mode). Then run all the signal and VBUS level changes to establish a HNP role swap which in turn puts the musb_hdrc core statemachine into logical host state01:45
DocScrutinizer05the advantages are that this is a true host state and thus provides all the nice stuff like unplug detection, speed negotiation, whatnot else. For the downside see specification of how HNP works, it's a nightmare01:48
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DocScrutinizer05for example it involves lowering VBUS to some particular voltage level (sth between 0.8V and 1.2V iirc), to drop the session but not end the connection (simplified picture). Sth we can't do with bq2415001:50
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DocScrutinizer05at least not reproducibly01:51
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DocScrutinizer05disclaimer: all "IIRC", it's a few years ago since I dealt with that mess01:52
DocScrutinizer05some of those protocols' details even probed for the size of VBUS buffer capacitors in the attached "peer" device01:56
DocScrutinizer05ADP is the king of all evil specs, it probes for parasitic capacity of the D+/- lines to detect peripherals and even dangling cables01:58
DocScrutinizer051707 can't do this either01:58
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DocScrutinizer05basically USB is FUBAR and should get binned01:59
DocScrutinizer05motorola helped a lot to fsck it up, by introducing carkit01:59
SpeedEvilsigh. mandating a $.5 USB device at the far end would have been so easy02:00
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DocScrutinizer05  for madness of OTG (application form for inclusion of your device into OTG TPL "whitelist")02:19
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SpeedEvilthen again, what would usb be without chargers for $102:45
SpeedEvilapart from nonlethal that is,02:47
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DocScrutinizer05BWAHAAAHAAAHAA (twinkle forum: "please support XDG, see") guess who! GUESS!!!!! poettering again - ROTFL07:33
DocScrutinizer05>> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << sounds like addressed specifically to Lennart07:40
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DocScrutinizer05and this ploum-guy is really golden - rationale for XDG is ***>>A BUG IN A  GNOME app<<***: " (my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders)"07:52
DocScrutinizer05so let's move .profile and .bashrc to a new location, after literally bart simpson and his dog learned those live in ~<user>/.profile and ~<user>/.bashrc, and did so since 195307:54
DocScrutinizer05really really07:54
infobot'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering''07:54
DocScrutinizer05meh, the definition missing 'ignorant'07:55
* DocScrutinizer05 almost feels amused about the fact that maybe a third of user posts in are like "Poettering said $blablabla, now please the F*CK adopt his holy commandments to your app"07:57
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DocScrutinizer05it's absolutely mind-boggling how you actually can tell from general basic policy of any sw project that it must have some contribution from Poettering. Each single time the baselne of argumentation is "Unix is obsolete and a mess, now we start all new again and do it better, though in an incompatible way but *so what?*". And each time serious honest experts step up and explain why obviously the main problem tackled in this brilliant08:43
DocScrutinizer05new concept is PEBKAC and >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. <<08:43
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RST38hDoc: s/badly/again and again/08:45
RST38hDoc: and only then, in parenthesis, "(badly)" =)08:45
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: s/badly/poettering/08:50
RST38hSeriously though, maybe he just needs a girlfriend08:52
DocScrutinizer05then the whole misery is a WONTFIX ;-P08:52
RST38hYou never know...08:52
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: honestly, what can you say when somebody suggests to move all ~/.<filename> to ~/.<somenewXDGdir>/<projname>/filename, to avoid problems with GTK as in "my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders"08:57
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tadzikas someone who actually uses hidden .files sometimes, I'd much rather have all the mess in .config09:05
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tadzikexcept when it's maemo, which has .config/Authorname. Who the fuck are those guys and why do I care? Where are my config files? Eh09:06
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RST38hDoc: I would say, let them do whatever they want, turn Redhat into "Gnome OS", then die in oblivion09:19
DocScrutinizer51yeah, appreciated09:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: perhaps one of you should clearly state "when we say that those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it badly we mean that poettering doesn't understand unix and we don't care about his bad inventions"09:55
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: well, you did. Thanks10:00
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tadzikexcept when we're bound to use PA, neh?10:16
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XATRIXHi guys, i start receiving such things in my dmesg12:52
XATRIX[127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values12:52
XATRIXAny ideas on it ?12:52
Aoyagi_joytopIt would seem you need to calibrate it.12:52
XATRIXObviously yea, but how ? :)12:53
Aoyagi_joytop ?12:54
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wojtas__hi all, i have problem whit internet connetions.i see wifi conntetions but there is no aviable gprs13:05
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wojtas__i restet do def setting, but that didn;t help13:06
XATRIXNokia-N900:/usr/local/bin# sh bq27200.sh13:07
XATRIXReading valuesError: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy13:07
XATRIX.Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy13:07
XATRIX.Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy13:07
XATRIXWhat can i do?13:08
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entitledNo idea.13:09
entitledmaybe it's the service provider13:09
entitledmine has done that few times.13:09
XATRIXIs it a broken battery ?13:09
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entitlednah I don't think anything is broken13:10
XATRIXSo what ? :)13:10
entitledalthough a broken battery caused disconnect for me.13:10
XATRIXDisconnect from what ?13:10
entitledfrom 2G/3G13:11
XATRIXI don't experience the same so far13:11
entitledeverytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing13:11
entitledalso some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot.13:12 seems that i have no such yet :)13:12
entitledTried shutting down, taking battery off and booting?13:12
XATRIXActually the USB cable is in for now ?13:13
XATRIXMaybe during the charging process, it locks the controller13:13
XATRIXAnd i have to plug it out before i run ?13:14
entitledcan't really say13:15
XATRIXNothing changes while i diconnect charer13:16
XATRIXAlso, is it ok if i do apt-get upgrade ?13:17
entitledwhy not?13:19
ShadowJK<entitled> everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing13:20
ShadowJK<entitled> also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot.13:20
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ShadowJKthis sounds like the dreaded modem death13:20
ShadowJKit usually starts by glitching when you open/close slider, type  on keyboard, put it into or taking out of pocket, etc13:22
ShadowJKSometimes padding with paper, or changing to a thinner or thicker battery will make the problem go away for a few days or weeks13:23
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XATRIXAlso can you check the shit i have on ?13:24
XATRIXAny advices ?13:24
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RST38hShadowJK <== scaremonging =)13:32
XATRIXSeems like i fixed my repos13:35
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SpeedEvilRST38h: ShadowJK describes my old n900s problem perfectly13:54
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XATRIXGuys i still receive such a things while i run apt-get update14:03
XATRIXW: GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954614:03
XATRIXSomeone on the talks.mermo advices the following: Thanks for your deep analysys!!! I can only add that I have deleted all the files named domain.* in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/ and the problem has dissapeared!!14:04
XATRIXIs it ok for ?14:04
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tadzikif only those Nokias were actually this die-hard :)14:13
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XATRIXAny futher ideas ?14:28
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tadzikthose are warnings, just disregard them14:33
XATRIXYes, but i think it won't install software from these repos14:36
XATRIXAlsi i have The following packages have been kept back:14:37
XATRIX  libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++614:37
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tadzikI'd say pay no mind to it14:37
tadzikis anything broken, or you're just puzzled by the output?14:37
XATRIXIf i do dist-upgrade14:38
XATRIXCalculating upgrade... Failed14:38
XATRIXThe following packages have unmet dependencies:14:38
XATRIX  upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or14:38
XATRIX                       busybox (>= but it is not going to be installed14:38
XATRIXE: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.14:38
XATRIXThat's seems to be broken14:38
tadzikuse HAM14:39
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XATRIXBut ?14:39
tadzikdoes anything break if you use ham?14:39
XATRIXI don't know, HAM GUI says nothing to me14:39
XATRIXJust shows no packages are in queue for upgrade14:39
tadzikthen it's probably right14:40
XATRIXAlso i've  disabled maemo-testing maemo-devel14:40
XATRIXBut yesterday i updated using these repos14:40
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XATRIXWhat can you say about this ?15:59
XATRIXI'm experiencing a bit slowdown15:59
XATRIXWhile it was incoming call, i finally got the control over 10 seconds15:59
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XATRIXafter the black screen switched to caller16:00
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: seems to me like you have installed like 100% +-20% of possible nonsense and betatest stuff. No surprise when doing apt-get upgrade even from extras-devel (and who knows what else you got installed as repo)16:06
DocScrutinizer05probably your only sane recovery patch is to start *all* new16:06
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XATRIXYou mean i have to flash it with initial eMMC:(16:13
XATRIXBut why pidgin is running ?16:14
XATRIXI closed it16:14
XATRIXWith X via GUI16:14
XATRIXMaybe i have to just restart this crap ?16:15
DocScrutinizer51XATRIX: you seem to have installed sth like bme-replacement, a wrong busybox version, you got completely used sap due to problems in messaging, and you maybe got wrong glibc16:19
DocScrutinizer51you did upgrade while extras-devel enabled16:20
DocScrutinizer51whereas you probably *never* should do apt-get upgrade16:21
DocScrutinizer51seems you got several desktop widgets installed, some of them most likely crap16:22
XATRIXSo, if i issue apt-get upgrade, i will ruin my system while extras-debel is disabled ?16:22
DocScrutinizer51basically yes16:22
XATRIXI have phone widget, i have myIP widget, and weather16:22
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XATRIXThat's crap :(16:25
DocScrutinizer51sorry, your system shows symptoms of like 4 or 5 unrelated problems of which each single one is"mt easy to fix16:25
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DocScrutinizer51all caused by installing stuff to happily16:26
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: your initial post >><XATRIX> [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values<< already suggests you got sone dysfunctional stuff relating battery management installed16:41
DocScrutinizer05>><XATRIX> .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy<< confirms that16:41
XATRIXBut maybe it can be fixed by reboot or battery in out16:41
DocScrutinizer05no way16:42
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DocScrutinizer05odds are you deplete your battery caused by non-working bme, and then you're doomed since you can't even reflash anymore, until you find a way to charge it again externally16:42
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DocScrutinizer05your jpeg clearly shows browserd for messaging is eating up lots of memory and swap, which probably is caused by a corrupted events-db16:44
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XATRIXBut charging is working so far16:48
XATRIXMy battery is up and keep charging16:49
DocScrutinizer05according to your broken battery-applet in hildon-status-menu?16:49
XATRIXAlso, I'm pretty sure i can check with volts measuring device, it will show i have ~3.0 V batter filled up16:49
XATRIXAccording to my green light16:50
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DocScrutinizer05with ~3.0Volt you're already doomed16:50
XATRIXIt's max possible voltage it 3.316:51
XATRIX3.0 is a alsomost 90%16:51
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XATRIXMy battery is not a brand new one. So it's can't be charged up to 100%16:51
DocScrutinizer05my N900 shuts down with depleted battery at 3248mV16:51
DocScrutinizer05that's nonsense16:52
XATRIXI have original Nokia battery :)16:52
XATRIXAssembled somewhere not in China ^^16:52
DocScrutinizer05an old battery is losing some of its capacity, but it's not losing voltage16:52
DocScrutinizer05a full battery has ~4.2V16:53
DocScrutinizer05no matter how old16:53
XATRIXIf it's not charged up to max, it's loosing voltage aswell16:53
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DocScrutinizer05right, teach an EE about LiPo batteries16:53
XATRIXAre we talking about the standard one battery, shipped with N90016:53
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infobotit has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer16:54
XATRIXHoly Crap O_O16:54
XATRIXi think it's not a good idea to argue :(16:55
DocScrutinizer05oops, BP-5J is a LiIon16:55
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DocScrutinizer05which doesn't make any difference for all we discussed here16:56
DocScrutinizer05BL-5J even16:56
XATRIXSo, who does it stay so long there ?16:56
XATRIXAnd i swear i saw 3.3V on my battery face16:56
DocScrutinizer05your voltage figures are completely off16:56
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DocScrutinizer05or it doesn't run as long from battery as you claim it does16:57
DocScrutinizer05with a battery with 3.300Volt a device can operate max one hour I'd guess, mildly used16:58
DocScrutinizer05on your WUT?16:58
DocScrutinizer05battery face?16:58
ccssnetlabel ^16:59
DocScrutinizer05it's 3.7V there16:59
DocScrutinizer05all LiIon are16:59
ccssnetmost likely16:59
GeneralAntillesWhat is this guy smoking?
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: LOL17:01
ccssnetya i dont beleive that ^17:01
DocScrutinizer05>>the voltage increase of 0.1V will cause significant physical damage to the phone<< DOOOOOOOM!!!17:01
DocScrutinizer05shock the monkey17:01
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GeneralAntillesI bought a replacement BL-4D for my N950 a few weeks ago, never put in it and now I can't find it. :(17:02
XATRIXPot ?17:03
GeneralAntillesHow terrible do you think this battery will be?
DocScrutinizer05might be everything incl a cheap BL-5J fake17:05
DocScrutinizer05hell, most likely it *is* a BL-5J 'compatible' cell17:06
XATRIXLow voltage also can harm the HW ?17:06
DocScrutinizer05no battery voltage can harm the hardware17:07
XATRIXO_o emm ? what do you mean ?17:07
DocScrutinizer05at least as long as the battery fits in mechanically17:07
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DocScrutinizer05I mean 0V won't harm your hw, and 5V will make your battery explode but still not harm the hw17:08
XATRIXIs it possible at all to charge it to 5V ?17:09
DocScrutinizer05attaching your 12V car battery to N900 battery-bay contacts using some wires *might* damage the device17:10
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: it will explode17:10
Aoyagiand anyone standing nearby17:10
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Aoyagidamage them, that is17:10
DocScrutinizer05you can't charge LiIon to 5V17:10
XATRIXHas it some charging restriction device ?17:11
XATRIXI mean the battery itself17:11
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DocScrutinizer05some batteries have, but that's not the reason for it exploding when charged to 5V17:12
DocScrutinizer05luckily you simply can not do this (charge to 5V) in N90017:12
XATRIXSorry for my question, but is it a self-destruction mechanism, for overcharging or it's a chemical cells feature ?17:13
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DocScrutinizer05LiIon batteries are a tad special in some respect17:15
DocScrutinizer05but for every battery there's a max voltage defined by chemistry, for usual LiIon that's ~4.4V17:15
XATRIXSo, there's no LiIon in the world that has >5V ?17:16
DocScrutinizer05not a single-cell LiIon with usual chemistry17:16
DocScrutinizer05there's e.g. LiMg chemistry that has ~2...3V max voltage17:17
XATRIXI fixed this crap :)
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DocScrutinizer05there are other material pairs with Li that might have higher voltages (though I doubt that)17:18
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XATRIXMy bme is working now :)17:21
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SpeedEvilthe battery in the n900 is a protected one though17:33
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GeneralAntillesWhat size torx are the N950 back screws?17:36
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^17:45
DocScrutinizer05which screws? ;-P17:46
GeneralAntillesThe back battery cover screws.17:46
DocScrutinizer05no screws there17:46
GeneralAntillesOn the N950?17:47
DocScrutinizer05(just tried a t4 on the empty hles)17:47
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DocScrutinizer05achipa instructed us to remove and bin the screws during unboxing17:47
DocScrutinizer05NFC where to I 'binned' mine17:48
DocScrutinizer05must've been Tx4 though17:48
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DocScrutinizer05it's _not_ TX617:48
GeneralAntillesWhy bin the screws?17:48
merlin1991one time screws17:49
DocScrutinizer05seems they are not really needed17:49
merlin1991well the main reasoning behind removing them is, that it holds without them and suddenly you can change the battery17:49
DocScrutinizer05and of course what merlin1991 says :-D17:49
merlin1991at least that is what he told me when I saw him in vienna :D17:50
DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly17:50
DocScrutinizer05aahyes, I'm also missing my box - probably with the screws inside17:54
DocScrutinizer05and where's that sourcecode???? ;-P17:55
XATRIXOpenmoko ? :)17:55
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: hmm?17:55
XATRIXIs it a HW paltform ?17:55
XATRIXA good enough one /17:56
DocScrutinizer05umm, no17:56
XATRIXN900 != Openmoko ?17:56
DocScrutinizer05otherwise I'd use one or two of the ~15 Freerunner collecting dust here17:56
XATRIXYea, right17:57
RST38hand answer calls from emacs?17:57
DocScrutinizer05hehe, yeah17:57
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XATRIXOk guys, thanks for advices, i'm going home... My brain is going down slowly :(17:57
DocScrutinizer05take the opportunity to do a full reflash17:58
merlin1991fsckd server17:58
DocScrutinizer05your system demands it17:58
merlin1991scp really needs some sort of continue mode17:58
* XATRIX is going to fsck his brain...17:58
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: which server?17:59
XATRIXI wouldn't like to reflash it, cause i have ton of a software install on it17:59
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: and use sftp!17:59
XATRIXIt will take forever to reinstall this all crap17:59
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: that's exactly why you should reflash17:59
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DocScrutinizer05first instance you shouldn't have installed 90% of it I guess18:00
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DocScrutinizer05unlike apple store there are really broken apps installable from extras-devel18:01
DocScrutinizer05even from extras18:01
DocScrutinizer05while 'usual' apps are not completely bad since they 'only' do damage when you actually start them, some desktop widgets are running all the time and some of them are real crap18:04
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DocScrutinizer05and, as mentioned, it seems you got severe problems with rtcom-*-ui which might be caused by whoknowswhat and would already justify a full reflash18:06
XATRIXAs far as i see, it works quite fast enough18:08
XATRIXMaybe it's not a good idea to reflash it so far18:08
XATRIXI'll give it a try18:08
XATRIXOk..see you guys18:08
XATRIXWill be here soon18:08
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keriogoddammit what did you guys say to xatrix18:25
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: why? was it you who convincewd him to install thumb and bme-rplacement and whatnot else?18:50
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: oops, you're right, I misread that dim screenshot, it wasn't actually *all* swap that been eaten by rtcom-ui and freinds18:54
DocScrutinizer05It kinda looked to me like browserd and rtcom ate all swap18:58
DocScrutinizer05my screen been too dim to allow to read it correctly18:59
DocScrutinizer05kerio: well, nevertheless he said he did an apt-get upgrade against extras-devel, aiui19:01
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DocScrutinizer05I don't see any other reasonable recovery method than resoring BM backup or reflashing19:07
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: recovery for what? high ram usage? :s19:52
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keriomaybe i missed his original explanation of his problem19:56
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: he did have the bme replacement though - i think i haven't told him to install it19:57
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XATRIXI wonder how N900 will handle the completely dead battery :)20:28
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XATRIX"The PHY chip detects a charger (shorted D+ and D- pins) and the charger uses this information to charge more rapidly. "20:38
XATRIXIs there a logical link control /20:38
XATRIXAlso i wonder how much current is going to the device while it charges from the AC charger20:41
XATRIX>1A ?20:41
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ShadowJKless than 950mA I'd say20:49
XATRIXIt' s gonna be charging from USB20:49
XATRIXIf it's AC charger, it's >1A20:50
XATRIX1020mA or more20:50
ShadowJKit sets charging current to 950mA (at max 4.2V), so input current at 5V should be at or around 950 too, depending on efficiency20:51
XATRIXBy the way it's kinda big current! I charge my 12V car's battery with +/- 0.4-0.7mA current20:51
XATRIXAnd it is 45Ah20:51
ShadowJKNo you don't :)20:51
ShadowJKCheap car battery chargers are usually 4A or more20:52
XATRIXNope.. .I have an old Soviet :)20:53
XATRIXIt has ampermeter up to 1A :) But it's possible to make more output20:53
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XATRIXBut it start to heat as hell.. So usually i do near half20:54
ShadowJKAt 0.7 mA current, it would take 7 years to charge a 45 Ah battery20:54
XATRIXDon't think so :)20:55
XATRIXWait a bit20:55
XATRIXI'll show you20:55
ShadowJK0.7A might be more plausible20:56
ShadowJKit'd take 2 days or so then20:56
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XATRIXthat's ma baby :)))21:01
kerioXATRIX: epic21:01
XATRIXUsually i do 0.4-0.721:02
frediiiiiiiiIs Maemo still recommended to install on a N900?21:02
frediiiiiiiiOr is there a superior OS available?21:02
XATRIXAnd it takes about a few hours until it starts to boil a bit :)21:02
keriofrediiiiiiii: still the best thing ever21:02
XATRIXI get the voltage until it goes up to 15V21:02
XATRIXAnd switch it off :)21:02
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freemangordonXATRIX: IIRC a charged lead battery voltage should be 13.8 V21:03
XATRIXIf you charge 12V 45Ah battery with 12-13V it will be charged to 75-80%21:03
frediiiiiiiiWhich CSSU is recommended?21:05
frediiiiiiiiStable or Testing?21:06
frediiiiiiiiI had stable for a while but it seemed dead.21:06
frediiiiiiiiRegarding updates.21:06
XATRIXThat's why i tried testing :)21:06
XATRIXAlso extras-testing/devel :)21:06
XATRIX"It also features reverse boost mode - which enables power to be supplied to a USB device connected to the N900. (up to a limit of 200 mA) "21:11
XATRIXA reverse boost mode O_o21:11
XATRIXIt will charge back the charger ? :) Or it gives N900 the possibility to power itself outside the battery use21:12
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keriofrediiiiiiii: stable has conservative updates21:16
kerioideally you wouldn't notice you're on cssu instead of stock21:16
keriotesting is a bit more relaxed21:16
frediiiiiiiiBut updates get pushed from testing to stable after a while.21:16
frediiiiiiiiLe Debian style?21:16
kerioXATRIX: "boost" mode is to power devices connected to the n90021:16
keriofrediiiiiiii: not necessarily21:16
keriocssu-stable is stable as in debian stable, though21:17
freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: "while" could be a very long period21:17
frediiiiiiiikerio, Debian freezes testing at one point to push it through as stable.21:17
freemangordonwhich reminds me...21:17
frediiiiiiiiI do not tihnk I have seen that happen to Maemo yet.21:17
kerioand it's still as old as dirt21:17
frediiiiiiiiBut it would be great if it could.21:17
frediiiiiiiiDoes anyone know if the Exchange HTTPS issue has been fixed yet?21:18
frediiiiiiiiOr the sync errors?21:18
frediiiiiiiiIn stable?21:18
freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: Exchange HTTPS issue?21:18
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freemangordonfrediiiiiiii: btw better ask your quesions re CSSU on #maemo-ssu21:18
XATRIXkerio, it will power my external HDD ?21:19
kerioXATRIX: it's probably too little21:19
keriousb flash drives are most likely OK21:19
freemangordonXATRIX: 200mA limit21:19
XATRIXYea,  it will not enough21:20
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XATRIXCrap, it's not enough even for my pocket torch :)21:25
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XATRIXFor example, an alarm application that after it has been told to beep after 12 hours, turns on the audio system immediately to make that beep,21:33
XATRIXSo, as long as i see, the audio system is always turned off ?21:33
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rooster_rusgcc-4.2 is missing in maemo repos21:51
freemangordonrooster_rus: check in sdk repo21:52
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freemangordonbuild-essentials for example, not sure for the package name21:52
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rooster_rusld: ctrl0: No such file21:53
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freemangordonrooster_rus: are you trying to build something on the device?21:54
keriorooster_rus: make sure you have enough space21:54
rooster_rusfreemangordon: yep, scratchbox seems to be dead21:55
freemangordonrooster_rus: isn;t it mirrored?21:56
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freemangordonrooster_rus: you may have to install glibc-dev or something21:56
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rooster_rusfreemangordon: idk, i can't find any mirror22:03
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rooster_ruscan i make an image of my system and boot it qemu-armel?22:04
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keriogoddammit fruct, fix your bouncer22:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: can you redirect-ban fruct to ##fix_your_connection ?23:14
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kerioJaffa: *poke*23:19
kerioX-Fade: *poke*23:19
kerioGeneralAntilles: *poke*23:20
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kerioGeneralAntilles: please /mode #maemo +b fruct!~Andrey@$##fix_your_connection23:21
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kerioit worked23:22
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jaskadoes the after-$ part mean something special in freenode?23:28
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qwazixfreemangordon, detailed description of rawcam closing problem
freemangordonqwazix: I did a little debugging23:31
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freemangordonthis is from XOrg.log:23:31
freemangordonomap/video: couldn't allocate memory for video plane!23:31
freemangordonomap/put_image: failed to set up overlay: from (640, 480) to (565, 424) at (117, 0) on plane 023:31
freemangordonqwazix: seems you(well rawcam or fcam drivers) are allocating some video memory, without releasing it23:32
qwazixSo it's probably the overlay not quitting correctly and not the cameraThread which I was trying to fix23:32
freemangordonyep, seems like overlay is not cleaned up23:32
freemangordonBTW xorg throws BadAlloc in syslog, which is the same as in .log file23:33
freemangordoncameri-ui sigaborts in gst_xvimagesink_xvimage_put, when trying to do XSync23:34
freemangordonI can provide a complete backtrace/coredump if you wish, though I don;t think it is really needed23:34
qwazixThe "failed to set up overlay" obviously happens when you launch camera ui?23:34
freemangordonqwazix: just make sure you clanup the overlay23:34
freemangordonqwazix: yep23:35
freemangordonwell, not exactly23:35
freemangordonit happens when you open the lens cover23:35
qwazixYes that probably explains why I didn't notice any difference while trying different things with the camerathread...23:35
freemangordonyou can launch camera-ui with closed lens cover and it does not crash23:35
freemangordonuntil you open the cover23:36
qwazixthen it's definitely the overlay23:36
freemangordoni.e. until it tries to create the overlay23:36
freemangordonyes, for sure23:36
freemangordonqwazix: what do yo use to set it up?23:36
keriojaska: redirect to channel, in ircd-seven23:37
freemangordonqwazix: BTW nice job23:37
qwazixEhm, some black magic copied from Fcamera23:37
qwazixThanks, code needs a bit of cleanup though23:38
freemangordonqwazix: do you need me to try to investigate further, or the info so far is enough?23:38
qwazixNo, I think I'm unstuck now, just a question, do you think destroying the overlayWidget before quitting will be enough?23:39
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freemangordonqwazix: hard to say, i have at least to look at the code to know who does what23:41
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freemangordonqwazix: which file is that? the one that sets-up the overlay?23:41
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freemangordonqwazix: who does munmap on mmap-ed memory?23:43
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qwazixI think that code is robust after all it works for fcamera, the ~ function probably has the required code, the question is what does it take for qt to call that function?23:44
qwazixI don't really know...23:44
qwazixBut why does it get unmapped when you close with the x button?23:45
qwazix(or swipe down in harmattan)23:45
freemangordonhmm. lemme see the code23:45
qwazixno segfault or camera-ui problems then23:45
qwazixfwiw I had a similar problem in harmattan, that rawcam messed with the video player, but calling disable() on the overlay before quitting fixed that.23:46
freemangordonqwazix: check the destructor23:46
freemangordonit does ::close(overlay_fd);23:46
freemangordonqwazix: BTW you can wait() on your thread until it exets23:48
freemangordonto be sure all the cleanup is done (for the thread specific stuff that is)23:48
freemangordonqwazix: where is the code that handles shuter colse event?23:49
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qwazixrawcam.cpp line 40523:49
qwazixYes I'm doing that on the cameraThread (wait)23:51
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freemangordonqwazix: well, I cannot grok the whole application by a simple 5 minutes look at the source :D, but still, it seems overlay is not closed properly.23:55
qwazixso that ::close(overlay_fd) thing does free up the mapped memory?23:55
freemangordonqwazix: in principle handles should be closed on process exit23:55
freemangordonnot sure about mmaped memory23:55
qwazixfreemangordon, ofc. No need to. Now that I have a way forward I think i'll find it.23:55
qwazixIf this goes well I'll promote to testing too23:56
freemangordonqwazix: just a second, i'll point you to another piece of code that use overlay23:56
freemangordonyou can get the idea from it23:56
freemangordonthis is how cleanup is done in gst-omapfb23:57
qwazixok, I'll check it out23:57
freemangordonand yes, there is munmap23:58
freemangordonalong with close()23:58
freemangordonqwazix: ok, waiting for a fixed version :P23:58
qwazixI'll try unmapping it, even if it works by only calling the destructor, as it seems a more complete approach23:59
qwazixBTW it's real fun to code with fcam drivers.23:59

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