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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's HNP? | 00:16 |
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| vi__ | wtf is maemo invoker? | 00:35 |
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| kerio | vi__: a launcher for gtk apps compiled in a special way | 00:38 |
| vi__ | FFS | 00:38 |
| vi__ | why ios nothing simple. | 00:38 |
| kerio | what? | 00:38 |
| vi__ | I just altered the osso-chess so it does not 'pause' the game after 30s of idle time. | 00:38 |
| kerio | you just have to compile it with -rdynamic i think | 00:39 |
| vi__ | I JUST got it to compile and it has come up with nothing but bullshit. | 00:39 |
| vi__ | It made a 680K binary called chessui. | 00:39 |
| kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ns14hRqwY8 | 00:39 |
| vi__ | The chessui on the n900 is a symlink or some shit to maemo invoker. | 00:40 |
| vi__ | WTF IS THIS SHIT? | 00:40 |
| kerio | vi__: chessui.launch is the true "binary" | 00:40 |
| kerio | but it's not an elf you can launch directly, you need to launch it through maemo-invoker, it'll launch it inside a maemo-launcher instance | 00:40 |
| kerio | so libgtk won't be loaded a billion times | 00:40 |
| vi__ | so is my chessui binary need to be renamed to chessui.launcher? | 00:41 |
| kerio | vi__: no, you need to recompile it with an extra CFLAG i think | 00:41 |
| kerio | or, if you want, you can just put it instead of the symlink | 00:42 |
| kerio | it'll use more space and more resources though | 00:42 |
| vi__ | and what is the magic cflag? | 00:43 |
| kerio | vi__: CFLAGS -shared, LDFLAGS -shared -rdynamic | 00:45 |
| kerio | vi__: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html | 00:46 |
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| vi__ | how do I do a clean make? | 00:50 |
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| FIQ | hmm | 01:14 |
| FIQ | these "announcements" on maemo.org homepage aren't exactly up to date | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: Host Negotiation Protocol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go#Protocols | 01:23 |
| kerio | i see | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the trick been like this: attach N900 to something that looks like a USB host (basically this means "provide 5V VBUS to N900, sth that can be emulated by starting bq24150 boost mode). Then run all the signal and VBUS level changes to establish a HNP role swap which in turn puts the musb_hdrc core statemachine into logical host state | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the advantages are that this is a true host state and thus provides all the nice stuff like unplug detection, speed negotiation, whatnot else. For the downside see specification of how HNP works, it's a nightmare | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for example it involves lowering VBUS to some particular voltage level (sth between 0.8V and 1.2V iirc), to drop the session but not end the connection (simplified picture). Sth we can't do with bq24150 | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least not reproducibly | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: all "IIRC", it's a few years ago since I dealt with that mess | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some of those protocols' details even probed for the size of VBUS buffer capacitors in the attached "peer" device | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ADP is the king of all evil specs, it probes for parasitic capacity of the D+/- lines to detect peripherals and even dangling cables | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1707 can't do this either | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically USB is FUBAR and should get binned | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | motorola helped a lot to fsck it up, by introducing carkit | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh. mandating a $.5 USB device at the far end would have been so easy | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.usb.org/developers/compliance/check_list/TPL_form_otgeh2_0_v1.0_-_fill-in.pdf for madness of OTG (application form for inclusion of your device into OTG TPL "whitelist") | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | then again, what would usb be without chargers for $1 | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | apart from nonlethal that is, | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | :-P | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAAAHAAAHAA (twinkle forum: "please support XDG, see http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest") guess who! GUESS!!!!! poettering again - ROTFL | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/4027 | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << sounds like addressed specifically to Lennart | 07:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and this ploum-guy is really golden - rationale for XDG is ***>>A BUG IN A GNOME app<<***: " (my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders)" | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so let's move .profile and .bashrc to a new location, after literally bart simpson and his dog learned those live in ~<user>/.profile and ~<user>/.bashrc, and did so since 1953 | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really really | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 07:54 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, the definition missing 'ignorant' | 07:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 almost feels amused about the fact that maybe a third of user posts in http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/messages are like "Poettering said $blablabla, now please the F*CK adopt his holy commandments to your app" | 07:57 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely mind-boggling how you actually can tell from general basic policy of any sw project that it must have some contribution from Poettering. Each single time the baselne of argumentation is "Unix is obsolete and a mess, now we start all new again and do it better, though in an incompatible way but *so what?*". And each time serious honest experts step up and explain why obviously the main problem tackled in this brilliant | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new concept is PEBKAC and >> Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it badly. << | 08:43 |
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| RST38h | Doc: s/badly/again and again/ | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Doc: and only then, in parenthesis, "(badly)" =) | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: s/badly/poettering/ | 08:50 |
| RST38h | heh | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Seriously though, maybe he just needs a girlfriend | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then the whole misery is a WONTFIX ;-P | 08:52 |
| RST38h | You never know... | 08:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: honestly, what can you say when somebody suggests to move all ~/.<filename> to ~/.<somenewXDGdir>/<projname>/filename, to avoid problems with GTK as in "my mother will not cry anymore when the gtk file selector randomly choose to display hidden folders" | 08:57 |
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| tadzik | as someone who actually uses hidden .files sometimes, I'd much rather have all the mess in .config | 09:05 |
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| tadzik | except when it's maemo, which has .config/Authorname. Who the fuck are those guys and why do I care? Where are my config files? Eh | 09:06 |
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| RST38h | Doc: I would say, let them do whatever they want, turn Redhat into "Gnome OS", then die in oblivion | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, appreciated | 09:19 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps one of you should clearly state "when we say that those who don't understand unix are doomed to reinvent it badly we mean that poettering doesn't understand unix and we don't care about his bad inventions" | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: well, you did. Thanks | 10:00 |
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| tadzik | except when we're bound to use PA, neh? | 10:16 |
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| XATRIX | Hi guys, i start receiving such things in my dmesg | 12:52 |
| XATRIX | [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values | 12:52 |
| XATRIX | WTF ? | 12:52 |
| XATRIX | Any ideas on it ? | 12:52 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | It would seem you need to calibrate it. | 12:52 |
| XATRIX | Obviously yea, but how ? :) | 12:53 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 ? | 12:54 |
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| wojtas__ | hi all, i have problem whit internet connetions.i see wifi conntetions but there is no aviable gprs | 13:05 |
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| wojtas__ | i restet do def setting, but that didn;t help | 13:06 |
| XATRIX | Nokia-N900:/usr/local/bin# sh bq27200.sh | 13:07 |
| XATRIX | LOOPMODE=0 | 13:07 |
| XATRIX | Reading valuesError: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy | 13:07 |
| XATRIX | .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy | 13:07 |
| XATRIX | .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy | 13:07 |
| XATRIX | ... | 13:07 |
| entitled | Broken. | 13:08 |
| XATRIX | Crap | 13:08 |
| XATRIX | What can i do? | 13:08 |
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| entitled | No idea. | 13:09 |
| entitled | maybe it's the service provider | 13:09 |
| entitled | mine has done that few times. | 13:09 |
| XATRIX | Is it a broken battery ? | 13:09 |
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| entitled | nah I don't think anything is broken | 13:10 |
| XATRIX | So what ? :) | 13:10 |
| entitled | although a broken battery caused disconnect for me. | 13:10 |
| XATRIX | Disconnect from what ? | 13:10 |
| entitled | from 2G/3G | 13:11 |
| XATRIX | I don't experience the same so far | 13:11 |
| entitled | everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing | 13:11 |
| entitled | also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot. | 13:12 |
| XATRIX | Hm...it seems that i have no such yet :) | 13:12 |
| entitled | Tried shutting down, taking battery off and booting? | 13:12 |
| XATRIX | Nope | 13:13 |
| XATRIX | Actually the USB cable is in for now ? | 13:13 |
| XATRIX | Maybe during the charging process, it locks the controller | 13:13 |
| XATRIX | And i have to plug it out before i run bq27200.sh ? | 13:14 |
| entitled | can't really say | 13:15 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 13:15 |
| XATRIX | Nothing changes while i diconnect charer | 13:16 |
| XATRIX | s/charer/charger | 13:16 |
| XATRIX | Also, is it ok if i do apt-get upgrade ? | 13:17 |
| entitled | why not? | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | <entitled> everytime I laid the device for a awhile and opened it/started typing | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | <entitled> also some issues with getting the connection in the first place from the boot. | 13:20 |
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| ShadowJK | this sounds like the dreaded modem death | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | it usually starts by glitching when you open/close slider, type on keyboard, put it into or taking out of pocket, etc | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes padding with paper, or changing to a thinner or thicker battery will make the problem go away for a few days or weeks | 13:23 |
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| XATRIX | Also can you check the shit i have on ? | 13:24 |
| XATRIX | http://hastebin.com/niholovime.avrasm | 13:24 |
| XATRIX | Any advices ? | 13:24 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK <== scaremonging =) | 13:32 |
| XATRIX | Seems like i fixed my repos | 13:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: ShadowJK describes my old n900s problem perfectly | 13:54 |
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| XATRIX | Guys i still receive such a things while i run apt-get update | 14:03 |
| XATRIX | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 14:03 |
| XATRIX | Someone on the talks.mermo advices the following: Thanks for your deep analysys!!! I can only add that I have deleted all the files named domain.* in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/ and the problem has dissapeared!! | 14:04 |
| XATRIX | Is it ok for ? | 14:04 |
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| joga | http://i.imgur.com/iNWCG.jpg | 14:12 |
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| tadzik | if only those Nokias were actually this die-hard :) | 14:13 |
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| XATRIX | http://hastebin.com/cojehoyida.avrasm | 14:27 |
| XATRIX | Any futher ideas ? | 14:28 |
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| tadzik | those are warnings, just disregard them | 14:33 |
| XATRIX | Yes, but i think it won't install software from these repos | 14:36 |
| XATRIX | Alsi i have The following packages have been kept back: | 14:37 |
| XATRIX | libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 | 14:37 |
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| tadzik | I'd say pay no mind to it | 14:37 |
| XATRIX | Ok | 14:37 |
| tadzik | is anything broken, or you're just puzzled by the output? | 14:37 |
| XATRIX | If i do dist-upgrade | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | Calculating upgrade... Failed | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | busybox (>= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8) but it is not going to be installed | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. | 14:38 |
| XATRIX | That's seems to be broken | 14:38 |
| tadzik | don't | 14:38 |
| tadzik | use HAM | 14:39 |
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| XATRIX | But ? | 14:39 |
| tadzik | does anything break if you use ham? | 14:39 |
| XATRIX | I don't know, HAM GUI says nothing to me | 14:39 |
| XATRIX | Just shows no packages are in queue for upgrade | 14:39 |
| tadzik | then it's probably right | 14:40 |
| XATRIX | Also i've disabled maemo-testing maemo-devel | 14:40 |
| XATRIX | But yesterday i updated using these repos | 14:40 |
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| XATRIX | What can you say about this ? | 15:59 |
| XATRIX | http://i.imm.io/ODAt.jpeg | 15:59 |
| XATRIX | I'm experiencing a bit slowdown | 15:59 |
| XATRIX | While it was incoming call, i finally got the control over 10 seconds | 15:59 |
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| XATRIX | after the black screen switched to caller | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: seems to me like you have installed like 100% +-20% of possible nonsense and betatest stuff. No surprise when doing apt-get upgrade even from extras-devel (and who knows what else you got installed as repo) | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably your only sane recovery patch is to start *all* new | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | path* | 16:06 |
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| XATRIX | :( | 16:13 |
| XATRIX | You mean i have to flash it with initial eMMC:( | 16:13 |
| XATRIX | But why pidgin is running ? | 16:14 |
| XATRIX | I closed it | 16:14 |
| XATRIX | With X via GUI | 16:14 |
| XATRIX | Maybe i have to just restart this crap ? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | XATRIX: you seem to have installed sth like bme-replacement, a wrong busybox version, you got completely used sap due to problems in messaging, and you maybe got wrong glibc | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | swap* | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you did upgrade while extras-devel enabled | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whereas you probably *never* should do apt-get upgrade | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems you got several desktop widgets installed, some of them most likely crap | 16:22 |
| XATRIX | So, if i issue apt-get upgrade, i will ruin my system while extras-debel is disabled ? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | basically yes | 16:22 |
| XATRIX | I have phone widget, i have myIP widget, and weather | 16:22 |
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| XATRIX | That's crap :( | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, your system shows symptoms of like 4 or 5 unrelated problems of which each single one is"mt easy to fix | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | all caused by installing stuff to happily | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | too* | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: your initial post >><XATRIX> [127267.242309] bq27x00-battery 2-0055: battery is not calibrated! ignoring capacity values<< already suggests you got sone dysfunctional stuff relating battery management installed | 16:41 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><XATRIX> .Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy<< confirms that | 16:41 |
| XATRIX | But maybe it can be fixed by reboot or battery in out | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way | 16:42 |
| XATRIX | but | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you deplete your battery caused by non-working bme, and then you're doomed since you can't even reflash anymore, until you find a way to charge it again externally | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your jpeg clearly shows browserd for messaging is eating up lots of memory and swap, which probably is caused by a corrupted events-db | 16:44 |
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| XATRIX | Yea | 16:48 |
| XATRIX | But charging is working so far | 16:48 |
| XATRIX | My battery is up and keep charging | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to your broken battery-applet in hildon-status-menu? | 16:49 |
| XATRIX | Also, I'm pretty sure i can check with volts measuring device, it will show i have ~3.0 V batter filled up | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 16:50 |
| XATRIX | According to my green light | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with ~3.0Volt you're already doomed | 16:50 |
| XATRIX | O_O | 16:50 |
| XATRIX | It's max possible voltage it 3.3 | 16:51 |
| XATRIX | 3.0 is a alsomost 90% | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 16:51 |
| XATRIX | My battery is not a brand new one. So it's can't be charged up to 100% | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my N900 shuts down with depleted battery at 3248mV | 16:51 |
| XATRIX | Errr.. | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's nonsense | 16:52 |
| XATRIX | I have original Nokia battery :) | 16:52 |
| XATRIX | Assembled somewhere not in China ^^ | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an old battery is losing some of its capacity, but it's not losing voltage | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a full battery has ~4.2V | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter how old | 16:53 |
| XATRIX | If it's not charged up to max, it's loosing voltage aswell | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | right, teach an EE about LiPo batteries | 16:53 |
| XATRIX | Are we talking about the standard one battery, shipped with N900 | 16:53 |
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| XATRIX | EE ? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 16:54 |
| infobot | it has been said that joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 16:54 |
| XATRIX | Holy Crap O_O | 16:54 |
| XATRIX | i think it's not a good idea to argue :( | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, BP-5J is a LiIon | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't make any difference for all we discussed here | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J even | 16:56 |
| XATRIX | So, who does it stay so long there ? | 16:56 |
| XATRIX | And i swear i saw 3.3V on my battery face | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your voltage figures are completely off | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or it doesn't run as long from battery as you claim it does | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a battery with 3.300Volt a device can operate max one hour I'd guess, mildly used | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on your WUT? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery face? | 16:58 |
| ccssnet | label ^ | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's 3.7V there | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all LiIon are | 16:59 |
| ccssnet | most likely | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is this guy smoking? http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2012/07/nokia-n950-how-to-op.html#comment-10637 | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: LOL | 17:01 |
| ccssnet | ya i dont beleive that ^ | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>the voltage increase of 0.1V will cause significant physical damage to the phone<< DOOOOOOOM!!! | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shock the monkey | 17:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Bizarre | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I bought a replacement BL-4D for my N950 a few weeks ago, never put in it and now I can't find it. :( | 17:02 |
| XATRIX | Pot ? | 17:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | How terrible do you think this battery will be? http://www.amazon.com/Onite-1550mAh-Li-ion-Battery-PureView/dp/B008WYGBI6/ | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unpredictable | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be everything incl a cheap BL-5J fake | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, most likely it *is* a BL-5J 'compatible' cell | 17:06 |
| XATRIX | Low voltage also can harm the HW ? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no battery voltage can harm the hardware | 17:07 |
| XATRIX | O_o emm ? what do you mean ? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least as long as the battery fits in mechanically | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean 0V won't harm your hw, and 5V will make your battery explode but still not harm the hw | 17:08 |
| XATRIX | Is it possible at all to charge it to 5V ? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | attaching your 12V car battery to N900 battery-bay contacts using some wires *might* damage the device | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: it will explode | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | literally | 17:10 |
| Aoyagi | and anyone standing nearby | 17:10 |
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| Aoyagi | damage them, that is | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't charge LiIon to 5V | 17:10 |
| XATRIX | Has it some charging restriction device ? | 17:11 |
| XATRIX | I mean the battery itself | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | some batteries have, but that's not the reason for it exploding when charged to 5V | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily you simply can not do this (charge to 5V) in N900 | 17:12 |
| XATRIX | Sorry for my question, but is it a self-destruction mechanism, for overcharging or it's a chemical cells feature ? | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chemistry | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LiIon batteries are a tad special in some respect | 17:15 |
| XATRIX | Hmm | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but for every battery there's a max voltage defined by chemistry, for usual LiIon that's ~4.4V | 17:15 |
| XATRIX | So, there's no LiIon in the world that has >5V ? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not a single-cell LiIon with usual chemistry | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's e.g. LiMg chemistry that has ~2...3V max voltage | 17:17 |
| XATRIX | I fixed this crap :) http://hastebin.com/ladudocoda.avrasm | 17:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other material pairs with Li that might have higher voltages (though I doubt that) | 17:18 |
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| XATRIX | My bme is working now :) | 17:21 |
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| Lava_Croft | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10974729/wp_ss_20121210_0002.png | 17:32 |
| Lava_Croft | oof | 17:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | sandpaper? | 17:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | the battery in the n900 is a protected one though | 17:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What size torx are the N950 back screws? | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | T4? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ^^ | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which screws? ;-P | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | The back battery cover screws. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no screws there | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the N950? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (just tried a t4 on the empty hles) | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | achipa instructed us to remove and bin the screws during unboxing | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC where to I 'binned' mine | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must've been Tx4 though | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's _not_ TX6 | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why bin the screws? | 17:48 |
| merlin1991 | one time screws | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems they are not really needed | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | well the main reasoning behind removing them is, that it holds without them and suddenly you can change the battery | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course what merlin1991 says :-D | 17:49 |
| merlin1991 | at least that is what he told me when I saw him in vienna :D | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aahyes, I'm also missing my box - probably with the screws inside | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and where's that sourcecode???? ;-P | 17:55 |
| XATRIX | Openmoko ? :) | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: hmm? | 17:55 |
| XATRIX | Is it a HW paltform ? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:55 |
| XATRIX | A good enough one / | 17:56 |
| XATRIX | ? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, no | 17:56 |
| XATRIX | N900 != Openmoko ? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise I'd use one or two of the ~15 Freerunner collecting dust here | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900=Nokia | 17:57 |
| XATRIX | Yea, right | 17:57 |
| RST38h | and answer calls from emacs? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, yeah | 17:57 |
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| XATRIX | Ok guys, thanks for advices, i'm going home... My brain is going down slowly :( | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take the opportunity to do a full reflash | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | fsckd server | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your system demands it | 17:58 |
| merlin1991 | scp really needs some sort of continue mode | 17:58 |
| * XATRIX is going to fsck his brain... | 17:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: which server? | 17:59 |
| merlin1991 | mine | 17:59 |
| XATRIX | I wouldn't like to reflash it, cause i have ton of a software install on it | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: and use sftp! | 17:59 |
| XATRIX | It will take forever to reinstall this all crap | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: that's exactly why you should reflash | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | first instance you shouldn't have installed 90% of it I guess | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike apple store there are really broken apps installable from extras-devel | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even from extras | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while 'usual' apps are not completely bad since they 'only' do damage when you actually start them, some desktop widgets are running all the time and some of them are real crap | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and, as mentioned, it seems you got severe problems with rtcom-*-ui which might be caused by whoknowswhat and would already justify a full reflash | 18:06 |
| XATRIX | As far as i see, it works quite fast enough | 18:08 |
| XATRIX | Maybe it's not a good idea to reflash it so far | 18:08 |
| XATRIX | I'll give it a try | 18:08 |
| XATRIX | Ok..see you guys | 18:08 |
| XATRIX | Will be here soon | 18:08 |
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| kerio | goddammit what did you guys say to xatrix | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: why? was it you who convincewd him to install thumb and bme-rplacement and whatnot else? | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: oops, you're right, I misread that dim screenshot, it wasn't actually *all* swap that been eaten by rtcom-ui and freinds | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It kinda looked to me like browserd and rtcom ate all swap | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my screen been too dim to allow to read it correctly | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: well, nevertheless he said he did an apt-get upgrade against extras-devel, aiui | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-12-10.log.html#t2012-12-10T14:38:11 | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dist-upgrade | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any other reasonable recovery method than resoring BM backup or reflashing | 19:07 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: recovery for what? high ram usage? :s | 19:52 |
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| kerio | maybe i missed his original explanation of his problem | 19:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: he did have the bme replacement though - i think i haven't told him to install it | 19:57 |
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| XATRIX | I wonder how N900 will handle the completely dead battery :) | 20:28 |
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| XATRIX | "The PHY chip detects a charger (shorted D+ and D- pins) and the charger uses this information to charge more rapidly. " | 20:38 |
| XATRIX | WTF ? | 20:38 |
| XATRIX | Is there a logical link control / | 20:38 |
| XATRIX | ? | 20:38 |
| XATRIX | Also i wonder how much current is going to the device while it charges from the AC charger | 20:41 |
| XATRIX | >1A ? | 20:41 |
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| ShadowJK | less than 950mA I'd say | 20:49 |
| XATRIX | It' s gonna be charging from USB | 20:49 |
| XATRIX | If it's AC charger, it's >1A | 20:50 |
| XATRIX | 1020mA or more | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | it sets charging current to 950mA (at max 4.2V), so input current at 5V should be at or around 950 too, depending on efficiency | 20:51 |
| XATRIX | By the way it's kinda big current! I charge my 12V car's battery with +/- 0.4-0.7mA current | 20:51 |
| XATRIX | And it is 45Ah | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | No you don't :) | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | Cheap car battery chargers are usually 4A or more | 20:52 |
| XATRIX | Nope.. .I have an old Soviet :) | 20:53 |
| XATRIX | It has ampermeter up to 1A :) But it's possible to make more output | 20:53 |
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| XATRIX | But it start to heat as hell.. So usually i do near half | 20:54 |
| ShadowJK | At 0.7 mA current, it would take 7 years to charge a 45 Ah battery | 20:54 |
| XATRIX | Don't think so :) | 20:55 |
| XATRIX | Wait a bit | 20:55 |
| XATRIX | I'll show you | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | 0.7A might be more plausible | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | it'd take 2 days or so then | 20:56 |
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| XATRIX | that's ma baby :))) | 21:01 |
| XATRIX | http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5010/20121210004.jpg | 21:01 |
| kerio | XATRIX: epic | 21:01 |
| kerio | :D | 21:01 |
| XATRIX | Usually i do 0.4-0.7 | 21:02 |
| frediiiiiiii | Is Maemo still recommended to install on a N900? | 21:02 |
| frediiiiiiii | Or is there a superior OS available? | 21:02 |
| XATRIX | And it takes about a few hours until it starts to boil a bit :) | 21:02 |
| kerio | frediiiiiiii: still the best thing ever | 21:02 |
| XATRIX | I get the voltage until it goes up to 15V | 21:02 |
| XATRIX | And switch it off :) | 21:02 |
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| freemangordon | XATRIX: IIRC a charged lead battery voltage should be 13.8 V | 21:03 |
| XATRIX | If you charge 12V 45Ah battery with 12-13V it will be charged to 75-80% | 21:03 |
| frediiiiiiii | Which CSSU is recommended? | 21:05 |
| frediiiiiiii | Stable or Testing? | 21:06 |
| frediiiiiiii | I had stable for a while but it seemed dead. | 21:06 |
| frediiiiiiii | Regarding updates. | 21:06 |
| XATRIX | That's why i tried testing :) | 21:06 |
| XATRIX | Also extras-testing/devel :) | 21:06 |
| XATRIX | "It also features reverse boost mode - which enables power to be supplied to a USB device connected to the N900. (up to a limit of 200 mA) " | 21:11 |
| XATRIX | A reverse boost mode O_o | 21:11 |
| XATRIX | It will charge back the charger ? :) Or it gives N900 the possibility to power itself outside the battery use | 21:12 |
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| kerio | frediiiiiiii: stable has conservative updates | 21:16 |
| kerio | ideally you wouldn't notice you're on cssu instead of stock | 21:16 |
| kerio | testing is a bit more relaxed | 21:16 |
| frediiiiiiii | But updates get pushed from testing to stable after a while. | 21:16 |
| frediiiiiiii | Right? | 21:16 |
| frediiiiiiii | Le Debian style? | 21:16 |
| kerio | XATRIX: "boost" mode is to power devices connected to the n900 | 21:16 |
| kerio | frediiiiiiii: not necessarily | 21:16 |
| kerio | cssu-stable is stable as in debian stable, though | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | frediiiiiiii: "while" could be a very long period | 21:17 |
| frediiiiiiii | kerio, Debian freezes testing at one point to push it through as stable. | 21:17 |
| freemangordon | which reminds me... | 21:17 |
| frediiiiiiii | I do not tihnk I have seen that happen to Maemo yet. | 21:17 |
| kerio | and it's still as old as dirt | 21:17 |
| frediiiiiiii | But it would be great if it could. | 21:17 |
| frediiiiiiii | Does anyone know if the Exchange HTTPS issue has been fixed yet? | 21:18 |
| frediiiiiiii | Or the sync errors? | 21:18 |
| frediiiiiiii | In stable? | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | frediiiiiiii: Exchange HTTPS issue? | 21:18 |
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| freemangordon | frediiiiiiii: btw better ask your quesions re CSSU on #maemo-ssu | 21:18 |
| XATRIX | kerio, it will power my external HDD ? | 21:19 |
| kerio | XATRIX: it's probably too little | 21:19 |
| kerio | usb flash drives are most likely OK | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: 200mA limit | 21:19 |
| XATRIX | Yea, it will not enough | 21:20 |
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| XATRIX | Crap, it's not enough even for my pocket torch :) | 21:25 |
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| XATRIX | For example, an alarm application that after it has been told to beep after 12 hours, turns on the audio system immediately to make that beep, | 21:33 |
| XATRIX | So, as long as i see, the audio system is always turned off ? | 21:33 |
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| rooster_rus | gcc-4.2 is missing in maemo repos | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | rooster_rus: check in sdk repo | 21:52 |
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| freemangordon | build-essentials for example, not sure for the package name | 21:52 |
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| rooster_rus | ld: ctrl0: No such file | 21:53 |
| rooster_rus | *crt1 | 21:53 |
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| freemangordon | rooster_rus: are you trying to build something on the device? | 21:54 |
| kerio | rooster_rus: make sure you have enough space | 21:54 |
| rooster_rus | freemangordon: yep, scratchbox seems to be dead | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | rooster_rus: isn;t it mirrored? | 21:56 |
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| freemangordon | rooster_rus: you may have to install glibc-dev or something | 21:56 |
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| rooster_rus | freemangordon: idk, i can't find any mirror | 22:03 |
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| rooster_rus | can i make an image of my system and boot it qemu-armel? | 22:04 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can you redirect-ban fruct to ##fix_your_connection ? | 23:14 |
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| kerio | Jaffa: *poke* | 23:19 |
| kerio | X-Fade: *poke* | 23:19 |
| kerio | GeneralAntilles: *poke* | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah? | 23:20 |
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| kerio | GeneralAntilles: please /mode #maemo +b fruct!~Andrey@94.25.228.1$##fix_your_connection | 23:21 |
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| kerio | it worked | 23:22 |
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| jaska | does the after-$ part mean something special in freenode? | 23:28 |
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| qwazix | freemangordon, detailed description of rawcam closing problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1303233#post1303233 | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: I did a little debugging | 23:31 |
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| freemangordon | this is from XOrg.log: | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | omap/video: couldn't allocate memory for video plane! | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | omap/put_image: failed to set up overlay: from (640, 480) to (565, 424) at (117, 0) on plane 0 | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: seems you(well rawcam or fcam drivers) are allocating some video memory, without releasing it | 23:32 |
| qwazix | So it's probably the overlay not quitting correctly and not the cameraThread which I was trying to fix | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | yep, seems like overlay is not cleaned up | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | BTW xorg throws BadAlloc in syslog, which is the same as in .log file | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | cameri-ui sigaborts in gst_xvimagesink_xvimage_put, when trying to do XSync | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | I can provide a complete backtrace/coredump if you wish, though I don;t think it is really needed | 23:34 |
| qwazix | The "failed to set up overlay" obviously happens when you launch camera ui? | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: just make sure you clanup the overlay | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: yep | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | well, not exactly | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | it happens when you open the lens cover | 23:35 |
| qwazix | Yes that probably explains why I didn't notice any difference while trying different things with the camerathread... | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | you can launch camera-ui with closed lens cover and it does not crash | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | until you open the cover | 23:36 |
| qwazix | aha! | 23:36 |
| qwazix | then it's definitely the overlay | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | i.e. until it tries to create the overlay | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | yes, for sure | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: what do yo use to set it up? | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | *you | 23:36 |
| kerio | jaska: redirect to channel, in ircd-seven | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: BTW nice job | 23:37 |
| qwazix | Ehm, some black magic copied from Fcamera | 23:37 |
| qwazix | Thanks, code needs a bit of cleanup though | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: do you need me to try to investigate further, or the info so far is enough? | 23:38 |
| qwazix | No, I think I'm unstuck now, just a question, do you think destroying the overlayWidget before quitting will be enough? | 23:39 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: hard to say, i have at least to look at the code to know who does what | 23:41 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: which file is that? the one that sets-up the overlay? | 23:41 |
| qwazix | https://github.com/qwazix/rawcam/blob/features/OverlayWidget.cpp | 23:41 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: who does munmap on mmap-ed memory? | 23:43 |
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| qwazix | I think that code is robust after all it works for fcamera, the ~ function probably has the required code, the question is what does it take for qt to call that function? | 23:44 |
| qwazix | I don't really know... | 23:44 |
| qwazix | But why does it get unmapped when you close with the x button? | 23:45 |
| qwazix | (or swipe down in harmattan) | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | hmm. lemme see the code | 23:45 |
| qwazix | no segfault or camera-ui problems then | 23:45 |
| qwazix | fwiw I had a similar problem in harmattan, that rawcam messed with the video player, but calling disable() on the overlay before quitting fixed that. | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: check the destructor | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | it does ::close(overlay_fd); | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: BTW you can wait() on your thread until it exets | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | *exits | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | to be sure all the cleanup is done (for the thread specific stuff that is) | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: where is the code that handles shuter colse event? | 23:49 |
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| freemangordon | *close | 23:49 |
| qwazix | rawcam.cpp line 405 | 23:49 |
| qwazix | Yes I'm doing that on the cameraThread (wait) | 23:51 |
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| freemangordon | qwazix: well, I cannot grok the whole application by a simple 5 minutes look at the source :D, but still, it seems overlay is not closed properly. | 23:55 |
| qwazix | so that ::close(overlay_fd) thing does free up the mapped memory? | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: in principle handles should be closed on process exit | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | not sure about mmaped memory | 23:55 |
| qwazix | freemangordon, ofc. No need to. Now that I have a way forward I think i'll find it. | 23:55 |
| qwazix | If this goes well I'll promote to testing too | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: just a second, i'll point you to another piece of code that use overlay | 23:56 |
| qwazix | perfect | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | you can get the idea from it | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: https://meego.gitorious.org/~freemangordon/maemo-multimedia/freemangordons-gst-omapfb/blobs/master/omapfb.c#line351 | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | this is how cleanup is done in gst-omapfb | 23:57 |
| qwazix | ok, I'll check it out | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | and yes, there is munmap | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | along with close() | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | qwazix: ok, waiting for a fixed version :P | 23:58 |
| qwazix | I'll try unmapping it, even if it works by only calling the destructor, as it seems a more complete approach | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 23:59 |
| qwazix | BTW it's real fun to code with fcam drivers. | 23:59 |
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