IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-12-11

freemangordonif only the drivers were stable00:00
qwazixThey arent? Haven't experienced any problems...00:00
freemangordoncheck your dmesg log. Though it might depend on applications not abusing them00:01
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qwazix(And they haven't released the source for harmattan even though they say download the source somewhere in harmattan-dev)00:01
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freemangordoni've seen some bad words spit in dmesg while trying to fix ABC incompatibility with 720p00:02
freemangordonthough those might be unrelated to fcam00:02
keriofreemangordon: btw, does unpacking a deb overwrite existing files?00:03
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freemangordonkerio: i think yes00:03
keriofruct1: fixed your connection?00:03
qwazixnothing in dmesg | grep cam for now, after a brief use of rawcam, but I suppose I need to stress-test it more00:03
freemangordonkerio: if you don;t root directory as parameter to dpkg00:03
freemangordon*don't change00:04
keriofreemangordon: alright, alright00:04
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keriofreemangordon: i just diverted the original files to /opt/720pbackup and then installed the actual packages00:04
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keriofreemangordon: btw, can /lib/dsp be optified?00:06
kerioit's 15mb00:06
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freemangordonqwazix: you are aware that slot is executed in the context of the calling thread?00:08
freemangordonI am not sure you are allowed to call QApplication::quit() outside of the main thread00:08
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keriofreemangordon: dammit, dsp is started on starting dbus00:09
qwazixhm, no, I didn't know that00:09
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qwazixmaybe that's why I get the segfault00:09
freemangordonqwazix: unless you specify some special flags when doing connect(), lemme check00:09
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freemangordonqwazix: scratch that (connect() thing), the default  deals with multithreading issues00:11
qwazixI now see that fcamera does the same connect thing so it must be ok00:12
freemangordonqwazix: can't you just install debug symbols, attach gdb and get a backtrace when segfault happen?00:12
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qwazixHaven't done that before but I suppose I can do that, however I think that if I clean the overlay correctly the segfault will go away too.00:14
keriofreemangordon: do you reckon dsp can be started later than the usual?00:14
freemangordonkerio: dsp?00:14
freemangordonwhat is that?00:14
kerioupstart thing that modprobes/rmmods bridgedriver00:14
keriowhich of course needs the baseimage00:14
kerioso you can't optify /lib/dsp00:15
freemangordonkerio: sure why not.00:15
keriofreemangordon: bootvideo, maybe00:15
keriofreemangordon: apart from that, there should be no need for dsp before /opt is mounted, right?00:16
keriothere are no side effects on modprobing bridgedriver a bit later00:16
freemangordonqwazix: you'd rather fix that segfault, it could be the reason why things are not closed in a graceful way00:16
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freemangordonkerio: afaik no ill effect00:16
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qwazixfreemangordon, ok I'll look it up.00:18
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: redirect to channel only works if you're owner of the channel you redirect to, or sth like that00:47
kerionah, you can mark a channel to allow redirects00:48
kerioand overflow channels are marked for that00:48
kerio##fix_your_connection is "official"00:48
DocScrutinizer05thought you made it up00:49
kerioi never make things up00:49
keriook, that's not true, i made that up00:50
kerionot the channel, it's an actual channel00:51
DocScrutinizer05already checked it ;-)00:51
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nedkois it possible to setup an ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel on maemo?02:07
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DocScrutinizer05of course02:25
DocScrutinizer05maybe you have to write the tools yourself though02:26
DocScrutinizer05though I seem to remember Nokia offered something like this some 4 years ago, as a technology preview or sth02:27
DocScrutinizer05I doubt their gateway still is active02:27
nedkoi mean on n900 running maemo02:28
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nedkoyou know that google search results are personalized, don't you?02:29
deepyDidn't they let you turn that off?02:30
robbiethe1st's why I use various google sites and clear cookies once in a while02:30
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GeneralAntillesdeepy, no.02:32
deepyAlso, yes you can02:34
deepyThey make a very serious promise that they take your choice seriously02:34
nedkogoogle web search users are not customers they the product being sold. promises cant target products02:35
nedkoDocScrutinizer05: thank you for that link02:36
DocScrutinizer05deepy: alas that info on that google support page is a hoax02:45
DocScrutinizer05you can't access that page since google asks you to sign in02:46
DocScrutinizer05simple solution: delete all google cookies, and forbid any cookies from google02:47
DocScrutinizer05firefox has default setting "delete all cookies on session end" iirc02:48
DocScrutinizer05 will do I guess02:54
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HtheBanyone alive over here?03:10
HtheBhmmm, well, I do ask this in the wrong channel, but... i hope maybe you can help in any way03:11
HtheBhave any experience with flashing Nemo?03:11
HtheB(everybody at #nemomobile is very quiet)03:11
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internetishardSo what's the low-down? Supposedly LTE is supperior to HSPA+, but how does that relate to the difference between GSM and CDMA?07:01
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wmaronewakka wakka07:04
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DocScrutinizer05internetishard: err sorry?09:00
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internetishardDocScrutinizer, yes?09:02
DocScrutinizer05I'm wondering how to make a proper question out of your last post09:02
internetishardI realize it's shit, but I wanted to be inflammatory. I usually learn more that way09:03
DocScrutinizer05how does a battery relate to a dynamo? how does eggs ralte to milk?09:04
DocScrutinizer05I don't know how to answer your question09:05
DocScrutinizer05maybe reading about LTE in wikipedia could answer some of your questions, whatever they are09:10
internetishardYeah, you're saying that CDMA, LTE, GSM, and HSPA+ are all separate and unrelated09:16
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internetishardDocScrutinizer I'm not sure I phrased it that way. Maybe because GSM is usually coupled with HSPA+09:16
DocScrutinizer05UMTS is base technology for HSPA09:17
DocScrutinizer05best you can get with GSM is EDGE+09:17
DocScrutinizer05UMTS is using WCDMA as carrier technology09:18
DocScrutinizer05GSM is using TDMA09:18
DocScrutinizer05so actually all four terms you mentioned are unrelated on a certain level09:19
DocScrutinizer05of course they are related on a wider view, as all are technologies found in mobile phone domain09:20
internetishardI guess I'm just trying to cope with why several providers said that they'll support any HSPA+ compliant phone (with HSPA+), and none of them can deliver more than 1900mhz. How can they all be missing this?09:20
internetishard(I'm speaking of course about my n900 in san francisco)09:21
internetishardIt seems impossible to actually get anything more than 2G on it.09:21
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you lost me09:21
XATRIX"For example, in standby with wifi and phone enabled but idle, the current usage is around .006 A, leading to a standby life of around 10 days. "09:21
XATRIXHow that can be ?09:21
XATRIXI don't believe that N900 can handle a half of09:21
XATRIXEven in stadby mode, wifi-module takes quite a lot of power09:22
internetishardXATRIX: turning off radio and screen, they say? Laptops can do it, eh?09:22
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I verified exactly that 2 days ago09:22
XATRIXinternetishard, don't think, that laptops can handle more than 5h...I'm not talking about day09:23
internetishardDocScrutinizer: sorry, I guess I should first ask. Does it even make sense to you that zero providers within california can offer anything over 2G on the n900?09:23
internetishardXATRIX: In sleep mode. You mentioned some sort of standby..09:23
DocScrutinizer05internetishard: I could imagine that they simply don't have any UMTS service on a band that's supported by N900, yes09:24
XATRIXinternetishard, Mobile phone has no sleep mode, unless you're talking about powering off device, but even in this case it's still a bit operational, some intelligence companies, can track you while the phone is off, and the battery is in09:25
XATRIXBut in fact, it has no sleep/hibernation mode09:25
DocScrutinizer05that's a terribly made-up urban legend09:25
DocScrutinizer05in fact it has09:25
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05, really ? :) I was working for such a company about half of my life... I saw that 'magic' :)09:26
DocScrutinizer05modem has sleep mode, you cen even set different sleep modes via ATLEEP=4 on e.g. calypso modem (used in Openmoko Freerunner)09:26
DocScrutinizer05dang AT%sleep=409:27
XATRIXI don't really know about N900, never interrested in, but most phones has this feature...09:27're talking about modem09:27
DocScrutinizer05a phone that's off is off for all that matters regarding OTA09:28
DocScrutinizer05unless you got a spy firmware installed by your wife09:28
XATRIXBut sleep != completely off mode... How it suppose to accept incoming calls if it is in sleep ? So it has to be passive mode at least09:28
XATRIXNo TX, but RX module should be powered up09:29
DocScrutinizer05where that statement still applies but you can't really power it off anymore, it just will fake off-state09:29
internetishardI'm not even sure I've seen "3G" while in the US using the n900... Saw in plenty in europe09:30
DocScrutinizer05nope, RX eats ~4..16mA, which would deplete your battery during a few weeks. Definitely no phone usually does that09:30
XATRIXNo no, not a spyware... I'm talking about if you press your red button, and hold it for ~5sec, and it so  called 'shuts down'... In this case i can still triangle your position, until you completely remove you power cell... Most mobile phones does it09:30
internetishardJust switched to another provider that said they could provide HSPA... Looks like I put too much trust in them :P09:30
DocScrutinizer05no way09:30
freemangordonXATRIX: Not n90009:31
XATRIXI hope it really doesn't :)09:31
freemangordonYou can be sure09:31
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XATRIXThat's a good knews :)09:31
internetishardDon't worry XATRIX, I'm paranoid too09:32
DocScrutinizer05unless your battery is depleted after 4 weeks no matter if device is on or off, you can be rather sure that this "stealth RX" is a big hoax09:32
internetishardOne of the reasons why every 3yo has a more powerful phone than me :P09:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am not sure whether it is urban legend or some devices really do it.09:33
DocScrutinizer05seems iPhones had that *problem*09:33
XATRIXI know what i'm talking about guys :)09:33
DocScrutinizer05good, I'm also knowing my business09:33
XATRIXI saw this by myself :) I don't tell you the rumors, or legends :)09:34
freemangordonBut I have heard stories that some modiles can be triangulated even when off, giving the battery is charged09:34
DocScrutinizer05my business is to build the hardwrae that you say has magic capabilities09:34
XATRIXOfcource i'm not talking about N900 directly, but i saw these tricks while i was in mil.09:34
XATRIXAnd i'm talking about UA :) I can only imagine what kind of technologies has US gov, or DE or whatever09:35
internetishardIn order to support HSPA on the n900, they need to use 1900mhz, right?09:35
DocScrutinizer05listen, buddy. When you want to triangulate a device, it has to SEND, not only _receive_. In that case every airline would require you remove your battery from your phones so nobody makes it start to send during flight by triangulating it09:36
freemangordonXATRIX: To all my knowledge, even puting the device offline (from power menu) is enough to power off the modem09:36
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: toldya, I don;t know if those are urban legends or for real09:37
freemangordonwon't argue09:37
XATRIXThe problem is that, somehow it's quite possible to make the device to send the signal out... Because the modem is not completely off09:37
XATRIXThat's what i'm talking about09:38
DocScrutinizer05and it's a sad fact that even the best modem chips use at very least a 2 mA average from battery to stay somewhat responsive to inbound RF09:38
XATRIXYou know you can power on your PC (not even from the sleep mode) even from other country, while you did a Start->Shutdown windows09:38
XATRIXIt's called magic packet or WakeOnLan09:38
merlin1991that's a completely different thing09:39
DocScrutinizer05so what? ever looked at your NIC? the LEDs shine09:39
XATRIXThese things also supposed to have such a feature...09:39
merlin1991and nope it doesn't work with my motherboards because the bios does not support it09:39
XATRIXSure... ever look at your mobile ? :009:39
freemangordonXATRIX: be sure we all know it :P (wakeonlan that is)09:39
DocScrutinizer05which means the psu still supplies the NIC with 5V09:39
XATRIXExactly! :)09:39
XATRIXBut the mains are off ;)09:40
freemangordonthe whole PCI(E) is supplied, along with USB09:40
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and it eats exactly max 100mA09:40
freemangordonalong with some circuitry on mainboard09:40
XATRIXYea, it's can be possible09:40
DocScrutinizer05and no, the mains is ON09:40
merlin1991freemangordon:  whole PCI(E) is supplied? I bet in that case, that my nvidia card draws power like mad todo nothing09:41
freemangordonthat's why there is a switch on most of the power supplies09:41
XATRIXI'm rely on your words, cause the EE here is you! I'm just a man who saw these things in action. There was a time...09:41
freemangordonmerlin1991: there is 5V supplied to the bus, to support wakeon(lan/pci)09:41
freemangordonmerlin1991: check your BIOS, power settings09:42
DocScrutinizer05and this is NOT from a tiny Lithium battery on the mainboard09:42
inzI hope you all wear your tinfoil hats, so the aliens don't triangulate you by your brainwaves!09:42
DocScrutinizer05since such battery was flat during hours, nah minutes09:42
DocScrutinizer05same with modem RX on phones09:42
XATRIXSure it's not :) Mainboard's bat is only for CMOS09:42
freemangordoninz: I am not afraid, not thought here to be detected. Just a flat line :P09:43
DocScrutinizer05the best GSM modems have some 4mA for deepsleep - you can't get lower than that and modem still not completely dead. Do your math, it will deplete battery during 2 weeks09:44
XATRIXinz, aliens is an urban legends ;)09:44
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: is that in RX-only mode?09:44
inzfreeman, but the contrails contain chemicals that make your brain oscillate in easily detectable pattern!-)09:44
DocScrutinizer05so if your phone still works after staying 4 weeks in shelp or locker, you know it's NOT doing any secrit shit09:45
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: sure09:45
XATRIXNever tried it so long :D09:45
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: a GSM modem is in RX-only mode 99.99% of the time09:46
DocScrutinizer05even while "powered up"09:46
freemangordoninz: my brain? who told you I have one? just a couple of neurons. Toldya, nothing to be detected here, I am not afraid :D:D:D09:46
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DocScrutinizer05in deepsleep it's not even in RX mode but completely sleeping 1.9 of 2s09:46
XATRIXSure ? But how the network still keep your online status ? Of it doesn't send anything ?09:47
DocScrutinizer05they don't09:47
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XATRIXIf you just pull the bat out, it should pass over 2-5 min, until the celluar IVR will tell you "the customer is currenly unavailable , please fu** off, or call later"09:48
freemangordonXATRIX: that's cached09:48
DocScrutinizer05the phone re-registers with BTS every T3212 period which is usually some hours09:48
DocScrutinizer05and no, it talkes some 5 *seconds* until the BTS gives up on trying to reach the phone and get an answer, and then they tell caller "not available"09:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc the phone re-registers itself with the cell that have the highest signal receive level09:49
XATRIXBut, it's can be possible too09:50
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's cell handover, something completely unrelated09:50
XATRIXMaybe you have the point09:50
DocScrutinizer05and also not even happening when both cells have same LAC09:50
freemangordonsure, but it needs TX from the phone09:50
freemangordonso base station can masure the signal level and send it back to the device. Don;t know how oftan that happens when not in call though09:51
DocScrutinizer05so the network either changes your state to "not available / ot of range" when either a) T3212 expired and the phone doesn't re-register, or b) the BTS (or all BTS of one LAC zone) where the phone registered last try to reach the phone and phone doesn't answer during 5 seconds09:53
DocScrutinizer05maybe 10 seconds, depending on carrier's setup09:53
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that never happens when not in call (or doing data transfer)09:54
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DocScrutinizer05here T3212 is 600min iirc09:58
DocScrutinizer05carrier can configure that09:58
DocScrutinizer05phone will query T3212 time period on (re-)registration09:58
DocScrutinizer05then shut up until handover to a different LAC zone or T3212 expired, or answering inbound call or initiating call or data transfer09:59
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freemangordondoes it expect "pings" from the base station?10:01
DocScrutinizer05not really10:01
DocScrutinizer05it monitors signal strength from servicing BTS and neighbour BTS10:01
freemangordonbut how the modem decides whether it is in a new cell area?10:01
DocScrutinizer05When C1/C2 threshold is trippen in differnece of signal quality between servicing and one neighbour, it does a handover10:02
DocScrutinizer05if neighbour is differnet LAC, it does re-register with new servicing BTS10:03
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DocScrutinizer05this re-register involves TX and resets T3212 as well10:04
DocScrutinizer05and updates device location as recorded in location server of network10:04
DocScrutinizer05mobile terminated call invite always is sent from all BTS of one LAC zone10:05
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DocScrutinizer05so network doesn't need to know which BTS of a LAC zone is currently servicing BTS of the phone10:06
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DocScrutinizer05any location you query from network while phone is off (e.g you removed battery) is that of the last BTS where the phone did a (re-)register10:08
DocScrutinizer05it may be cached up to T3212 expiry10:08
DocScrutinizer05 (sorry for German)10:10
DocScrutinizer05Location Update10:12
DocScrutinizer05Das Telefon teilt mit einem Location Update dem Netz mit, in welcher Zelle innerhalb welcher LA es sich befindet. Innerhalb einer Location Area kann sich das Telefon frei bewegen. Ein Location Update findet statt a.) wenn das Telefon die LA verläßt oder b.) immer nach einer vom Netzbetreiber vorgegebenen Zeit, die durch den Parameter T3212 bestimmt wird.10:12
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DocScrutinizer05dang, an LAC zone (Location Area) can be up to 4500km^210:14
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, a GSM mobile equipment is in idle mode 99.999% of time, and even then it is using several mA of power10:18
DocScrutinizer05so you can't pretend device is off when actually it's still in idle mode, that would pretty fast cause users frowning10:18
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DocScrutinizer05what you *could* do (as developer of a modem chip) is wake up on a RTC alarm every hour and then scan the network for a marker that says "IMEI 12345678, we want to triangle you". But then *all* BTS of a country had to send that marker for one hour, to make this sheme any useful. And still the scan for BTS on all bands during power up would eat comsiderable amounts of battery, so it wouldn't last much longer than maybe 2 or 3 months10:23
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Maceranybody know where the optware types hang out?10:23
DocScrutinizer05and your customers would ask you what's that strange behaviour of your chips all about, since guys like me would notice such nonsense10:24
DocScrutinizer05myth busted10:24
Macertrying to build a newer gcc for my synology10:24
Macercurius if i am supposed to --prefix=/opt for it10:24
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XATRIXI'm curious how can i make my CPU not to be active constantly ?10:43
XATRIXOr is it active ? O_o10:43
XATRIX6 mA when idle is great, but it is easy if everything does not go right to use lots more than this when idle. For example, if the CPU is constantly active, it will use over 100 mA - draining the battery in around 12 hours.10:43
XATRIXSo, trick is to configure the kernel to use tickless systmem patch ?10:43
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XATRIXAlso i have no bq27x00_battery module for my kernel ?10:46
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XATRIXThe handset is idle but i still have:11:05
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:08:28 EET 2012 16133mA 34 total events, 6.772 events/sec11:05
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:08:33 EET 2012 3244mA 82 total events, 16.347 events/sec11:05
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:08:38 EET 2012 7791mA 29 total events, 5.782 events/sec11:05
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:08:43 EET 2012 2954mA 45 total events, 8.935 events/sec11:05
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:08:48 EET 2012 3215mA 31 total events, 6.163 events/sec11:05
XATRIXThat's not good right ?11:06
XATRIXAlso i have wifi online, to be able to connect to11:06
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: I told you yesterday that your system is messed up and probably needs a reflash11:11
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DocScrutinizer05though those figures above are not unusual, except for displayed current11:12
XATRIXYes, but i don't like the answer... Do this , close there, press that button.. i need to understand the cause of the problem.. is it a broken driver of bq27 device or whatever11:12
DocScrutinizer05actually 7791mA is completely impossible11:12
XATRIXSo, if i get it right, if i have my battery of 1300mAh / 2954mA - it should be overloaded...11:12
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: the first instance is you don't *need* any bq27* driver11:13
XATRIXHow then i suppose to get the data ?11:13
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: there ARE NO TRICKS, the only 'trick' is NOT to install BS11:15
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DocScrutinizer05if kernel needed a patch to make >12h standby possible, you could bet it already got patched 4 years ago11:16
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jonwilbah, Slashdot isn't working :(11:17
XATRIXWhat does mean BS ?11:17
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DocScrutinizer05~wtf BS11:18
infobotBS: bullshit11:18
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: 3244mA is not just abnormal11:19
jon_yit is HOLYSHIT11:19
XATRIXCan i ask you to connect to this headset and look yourself the sensors data ?11:19
jon_yXATRIX: I am surprised your n900 has not burned down11:20
XATRIXSomeone has to be betatester ;)11:20
jonwilIf this was my N900 I would have backed up any important files and data and re-flashed by now11:20
jonwilrather than messing around trying to fix crap11:21
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: see 7791mA11:21
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XATRIXNokia-N900:~# power_stat11:21
XATRIXUsing kernel battery driver to read current.11:21
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:24:54 EET 2012 13584mA 32 total events, 6.354 events/sec11:21
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:24:59 EET 2012 3215mA 31 total events, 6.154 events/sec11:21
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:25:04 EET 2012 3157mA 41 total events, 8.151 events/sec11:21
XATRIXCrap :(11:21
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XATRIXI'm not trying to fix it, just experimenting with11:22
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XATRIXAnd ofcource i will reflash11:22
XATRIXI'm just curious WTF :)11:22
DocScrutinizer0516 Ampere! my mains fuse would blow11:22
XATRIXI have power fuses in my headset looks like ;)11:22
DocScrutinizer05you got "kernel battery driver" which is kinda deprecated11:23
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DocScrutinizer05you installed Pali's alternative bme11:24
* jonwil thinks those mA readings are bogus11:24
DocScrutinizer05those currents are from an early completely fsckdup version of the bq27200.ko11:24
XATRIXSo, if i would use some DC converter, i could possibly have 10KV output ^^11:24
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: they are raw bq27200 readings multiplied by 256 or sth11:25
XATRIXSo, let's deinstall this crap11:25
XATRIXAre you talking about this one  ?
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: that's what I suggested yesterday, or was it a week ago? You'll have to reflash11:26
XATRIXLook, i will reflash it... As i said, i want to experiment with the HW a bit11:26
XATRIXAfter i make a good, initial setup, there would be no experiments...11:27
DocScrutinizer05it's not really polite to pester us with bug reports aginst obsolete stuff that already got declared broken and also been replaced by newer versions11:27
DocScrutinizer05it's an abuse of our time11:27
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:31:13 EET 2012 43100mA 417 total events, 83.266 events/sec11:27
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:31:18 EET 2012 34613mA 260 total events, 51.937 events/sec11:27
XATRIXTue Dec 11 11:31:23 EET 2012 30529mA 235 total events, 46.934 events/sec11:27
XATRIXAfter i connected the charger :)11:27
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XATRIXOk, let's kick it out of the headset11:28
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XATRIXNow i receive negative values ^^11:30
DocScrutinizer05congrats, so it's charging11:32
DocScrutinizer05meh! reflash finally!11:32
XATRIXwait wait wait a bit11:32
DocScrutinizer05you did an apt-get dist-upgrade anyway, so really no more use in 'fixing' anything11:32
XATRIXAlso i found out i have "Battery Patch Testing" installed11:32
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XATRIX"This is a highly configured patch that improves the Battery Life of your N900 using dbus-scripts"11:34
DocScrutinizer05could you do me a favour? take a DIN-A0 sized paper, a marker, and write "NO SPEEDPATCH! NO BATTERYPATCH! EVER!" on it, then tag it on the wall above your PC11:34
tadzik"this improves battery life. Obtw, your device will be overclocked"11:34
tadziksounds legit11:34
XATRIXdownclocked ;)11:35
DocScrutinizer05those are the BS things you shouldn't install11:35
tadzikfrom 600 to 800 doesn't sound like downclocking for me11:35
DocScrutinizer05*-patch are a big hoax11:35
DocScrutinizer05done by a 12 year old script kidde supposedly11:36
XATRIX - i think these things i have installed on :)11:36
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tadzikwhytf is that xml11:37
XATRIXi think this is a complete list of installed crap on my mobile11:37
XATRIXAlso, i don't think that using KP is a bad idea11:38
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DocScrutinizer05just to give you an idea: it's commonly known that some of the battery-usage-widgets are doing exactly that: use battery - LIKe MAD11:39
DocScrutinizer05using KP *is* a bad idea, when you got no idea *why* you're needing it11:39
XATRIXIt has a better support for multiple filesystems , wider iptables support11:40
XATRIXAlso it has some overclocking features11:41
DocScrutinizer05well, use all that and you never again ask for support here, since you're one of the experts11:41
MacerDocScrutinizer05: then why are they on the repo still?11:41
Macer:-P fail11:41
DocScrutinizer05Macer: since nobody has the authority to take them down11:41
Macerare you kidding me?11:42
XATRIXheh, i never told you i'm expert.. I just said i'm gonna use some this abilities of KP11:42
DocScrutinizer05not at all11:42
Macerwtf? :)11:42
XATRIXor KP is only for Godlike people ?11:42
tadzikit's for all the cool kids11:42
DocScrutinizer05taking down apps from repos can only be done when they're *dangerous* or violating some laws11:42
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Macerso some shit app just sits there festering?11:43
DocScrutinizer05being utter crap doesn't suffice to take an app down11:43
DocScrutinizer05Macer: install that crap app, find a problem it's causing - report. We'll do our best to find a reason to actually take those pkgs down then11:45
XATRIXAlso are these two things dangerous ? and
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, probably fine... for 77011:46
DocScrutinizer05or even N80011:46
DocScrutinizer05and N81011:46
XATRIXI think it's just a section where the app is in :)11:46
XATRIXI think nobody cares to put it into freemantle :)11:46
DocScrutinizer05I think I ran out of time for this game11:46
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MacerDocScrutinizer05: isn't that like... a tester's job?11:48
XATRIXLet ne guess... He thinks no :)11:48
DocScrutinizer05usually yes, but our testers did not really any decent job on promoting pkgs11:48
* XATRIX tries to remember the time he attended to advertisment company O_o11:49
Maceri need to see where e7 prices are11:49
Macerlast i checked they were down to 299 :)11:49
Macer260 is my sweet spot11:50
DocScrutinizer05and pkgs in extras-devel, well they are not tested at all11:50
XATRIXI wonder, why these guys from Nokia used a resistive sensor for N90011:50
XATRIXSure they aren't11:50
DocScrutinizer05because it's *awesome*11:51
XATRIXI do some tests for me11:51
XATRIXWhy do you think it's better ?11:51
XATRIXYou have to scratch the screen with your stylus11:51
DocScrutinizer05because I once tried to type a SMS on a friend's iPhone11:51
XATRIXMost time11:51
Macerwell... n900 is a bit dated11:51
tadzikno you don't11:51
chem|stXATRIX: you can use much more of your screen's realestate11:52
MacerXATRIX: i always got a protector for it11:52
Macerbut i get protectors for everything.. any glass can get scratched given the right circumstances11:52
DocScrutinizer05cya folks11:52
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05, So, what's bad in iPhone sensor ? I find it not so bad as the same class phones have11:52
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: get better soon!11:52
chem|stXATRIX: iphone does double tap alot for me11:53
tadzikalso, is it just me or you need to press slightly harder near the edge of the screen?11:53
XATRIXMacer, Sure. i have it also, but sometimes i have feeling that i tap it very hard :(11:53
tadzikalot :)11:53
chem|sttadzik: for resistive screens it is yes11:54
XATRIXBTW, i have used my hadset (including constant wifi) about an hour, and currently i plugged in the charger, to feed it up a bit11:54
XATRIXit charged in about 5-7 min11:54
XATRIXUntil it said Battery is full11:54
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you're using an obsolete version of Pali's bme - we are not interested in details about it11:55
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XATRIXIs it possible to remove it ?11:56
XATRIXI can't find it in my apps manager11:56
XATRIXI'm gonna reflash it next day, or maybe possible this evening11:57
XATRIXAlso i found modinfo bq27x00_battery11:58
XATRIXparm:           poll_interval:battery poll interval in seconds - 0 disables polling (uint)11:58
XATRIXi'm curious polling takes cpu11:58
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XATRIXWhat is the current measurement parameter for i2c device ?12:15
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XATRIXAlso, when i will replash device, is it ok if i would install software via apt-get ? Instead of HAM ?13:55
XATRIXHAM does very slow13:55
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tadzikusually it won't break stuff13:59
tadzikapt-get install is usually safe, but upgrading is probably a bad idea13:59
luftadzil: why?14:01
lufI'm using apt-get except CSSU install.14:01
Lava_CroftI think tadzik means --dis-upgrade14:01
tadzikwell, better safe than reflash ;)14:02
Lava_Croftbetter safe than using backupmenu, you mean ;)14:02
tadzikso regular upgrade should be safe?14:02
lufI'm using it without any problem.14:02
Lava_CroftI've used it a lot without problems too14:02
Lava_CroftThat naturally doesn't mean it cannot cause problems:)14:03
lufLava_Croft: exactly14:03
tadzikunit tests only catch known breakages14:04
XATRIXSo it is safe to use apt-get upgrade , and NOT to use apt-get dist-upgrade ?14:04
Lava_Croftgoddamn HUGE Lumia 92014:04
Lava_CroftIt's amazing how much those front buttons on the Lumia completely wreck the awesome design14:05
tadzik"Put bigger screen in there!" "But the phone will get hu-" "Shut up!"14:05
Lava_CroftApparently its still nice to use with one hand though14:06
Lava_CroftBut I reckon it's designed for western euro hands;)14:06
tadzikI toyed with this Samsung Note recently14:06
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DocScrutinizer51wow, I got a winner! call did"mt tear down connectivity14:06
Lava_CroftThe Note disappointed me greatly14:06
tadzikit's almost as wide as N900 is long ;)14:06
Lava_Croftyeah, the Note is ridiculous14:07
Lava_CroftI would never put it in my jeanspocket and try to sit on a chair14:07
Lava_CroftI bet it will snap in two14:07
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Lava_CroftFlimsy Samsung hw14:07
tadzikmaking phone calls with it does look stupid14:07
Lava_CroftWell, that does look stupid with my N900 and its case too14:07
lufDocScrutinizer51: can you be more descriptive?14:07
DocScrutinizer51I love to look stupid14:07
DocScrutinizer51luf: regaring what?14:08
lufDocScrutinizer51: wow, I got a winner! call did"mt tear down connectivity14:08
Lava_CroftThat's how I kind of look when calling with N90014:08
DocScrutinizer51in 3 out of 4 a gsm call stops GPRS data connection14:08
DocScrutinizer51maybe 15 of 1614:09
lufDocScrutinizer51: what is the winner or solution?14:09
XATRIXMaybe it'sbetter to use double modem system?14:09
XATRIXOne modem for data-connection, one for calls ?14:09
DocScrutinizer51luf: luck14:09
Lava_CroftAnd an extra battery?14:09
lufXATRIX: it's too large to have 2 N900 :D14:10
XATRIXSomeone told me it costs a low power :)14:10
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DocScrutinizer51nah, 3G 'just works' afaik14:10
XATRIXSo 2 modems will are not going to kill bat in a shot :)14:10
trxalso with two modems, you need two sims, right?14:11
trxthe question was, "there is no way you can use one sim with two modems" :)14:12
trxis that right? :)14:12
DocScrutinizer51it's obviously a fsckdup spec amendment for GSM14:12
XATRIXIt suppose to use one modem for GPRS, one for CSD (actually voice calls) not to be disconnected from data-network14:12
trxi am not familiar with the specifications14:12
Lava_CroftSending an SMS breaks GPRS connectivity too14:13
DocScrutinizer51alas N900/BB5 doesn't support CSD anymore14:13
DocScrutinizer51neither fax14:13
DocScrutinizer51a pity14:14
DocScrutinizer51nor HSCSD14:14
XATRIXWho uses fax these days  ? :)14:14
Lava_CroftA lot of people do14:14
DocScrutinizer51(my friend loves to call it LSDTHC)14:14
Lava_CroftDon't be so easy to dismiss 'old' tech :)14:15
Lava_CroftIt can be quite persistent14:15
DocScrutinizer51and useful14:15
DocScrutinizer51it can establish point2point data connections14:15
XATRIXI don't  , i'm just talking about it senseless ,cause we have quite fast enough internet connections14:15
XATRIXlazer color printers and so on14:16
Lava_CroftThat requires an active internet connection14:16
Lava_Croftand a printer, if you need stuff on paper14:16
Lava_Croftfax is quite easy and fast for that14:16
DocScrutinizer51you won't establish encryped calls via internet in a usual manner14:16
XATRIXFax doesn't require active connection and sends a shitty quality stuff14:17
DocScrutinizer51you however *can* do this via CSD14:17
Lava_Croftfax is meant to send text, it does that quite well14:17
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Lava_Croftno need for quality14:17
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XATRIXFax can cipher connections ?14:17
Lava_Croftand of course thermal paper is just cute14:17
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DocScrutinizer51also CSD has usually WAAAY lower latency/RTT than GPRS14:18
XATRIXRoundTripTime ?14:18
DocScrutinizer51XATRIX: yes, fax can crypt data14:18
DocScrutinizer51and yes RTT14:18
XATRIXnever heard about :)14:18
DocScrutinizer51no surprise14:19
DocScrutinizer51some 4 years ago my friend switched from GPRS to CSD each time he needed PuTTY on his Nokia 6310i to administrate some server via ssh14:21
DocScrutinizer51he couldn't take the keypress RTT delay14:21
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Lava_CroftShoulda used Mosh!14:21
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XATRIXHe could use a telnet way: )14:23
XATRIXwrite-then-send :)14:23
DocScrutinizer51you think telnet is block device? I don't think so14:24
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DocScrutinizer51"block device" as in vt100 block mode14:24
DocScrutinizer51as opposed to character mode that's the one where you got remote echo14:25
jon_ywhat. telnet14:26
DocScrutinizer51siemens DSS3974 used DUEZ-key to send one line14:26
jon_ytelnet over the internet, that is crazy talk14:26
DocScrutinizer51anyway telnet via $any-connection is usually character mode14:27
jon_yif you already use telnet, why don't you use netcat and skip the login? :)14:27
DocScrutinizer51not sure14:27
DocScrutinizer51jon_y: nobody using telnet14:28
jon_yexcept old coots who think ssh is too complicated14:29
* DocScrutinizer51 starts to wonder if that shite been named DSS397514:30
jon_ythan again, I've seen some avoiding ssh because it could be used to forward tcp connections14:30
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jon_ythedailywtf thought me all I need to know about crazy :)14:30
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DocScrutinizer51btw to answer a Q of an hour ago: apt-get upgrade *might* be safe as long as you haven't enabled extras-devel14:35
jonwilno sane person uses telnet anymore unless the device they have doesn't handle SSH14:35
lufDocScrutinizer51: same as HAM ;)14:36
DocScrutinizer51generally its usage is discouraged14:36
DocScrutinizer51luf: not exactly, HAM won't update invisible pkgs14:37
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XATRIXCan i use KDE on my device ? :)14:45
XATRIXI was there is a wiki on maemo.org14:45
XATRIXBut how it suppose to make a calls then : )14:45
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NeutrinoPoweri registered me at but don't get an activation-link16:14
andre__check your spam folder.16:15
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NeutrinoPowerwe don't have a spam-filter16:24
Lava_CroftOh my:D16:29
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DocScrutinizer05NeutrinoPower: maemo infra is generally borked atm. tmo though *should* still work16:31
DocScrutinizer05anyway sending of activation link might be a manual task and take some days16:32
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NeutrinoPowerwhat is tmo?16:35
NeutrinoPowerok !?!16:36
NeutrinoPowerwhat do you have to do to get the N950?16:37
chem|stNeutrinoPower: buy it for ~2keur from ebay16:40
Lava_CroftLocate user 'n950' in the real world and rob him blind16:40
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: it is vbulletin so emails should go automagically16:41
chem|stNeutrinoPower: you should be able to login and stuff... a wait you are loggd in and stuff...16:42
Lava_CroftYou are better off getting an N916:42
NeutrinoPowerhm a little bit too expensive16:43
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez on council at m.o: "tmo hosting costs 468$/month"  W*T*F?16:43
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: seriously?16:43
DocScrutinizer05i'm quoting ivgalvez quoting reggie16:43
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: +1 WTF!16:43
Lava_Croftholy shit16:43
Lava_CroftThat's some expensive hosting if you ask me16:44
chem|stthat was what I said the first time...16:44
DocScrutinizer05seems like contracts from last century never updated16:44
DocScrutinizer05no surprise reggie doesn't want to continue it16:44
DocScrutinizer05ok, tmo might have a serious spam load, but still...16:45
DocScrutinizer05I can get a 8core 32GB RAM 2TB storage managed server for ~250EUR/month16:45
chem|stselling n950s on ebay is just like putting a dump on's front desk16:46
chem|stlike the guy hording n950s...16:46
Lava_CroftI always believed they remained property of Nokia16:46
Lava_CroftHence selling them on eBay would be 'illegal'16:47
Lava_CroftThat guy hoarding the N950's, aptly named 'n950', is a real classic16:47
chem|st5 n950s he got so far afair16:47
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you go hetzner nowadays...16:48
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chem|stor amazon cloud...16:48
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DocScrutinizer05just picking random hoster16:48
chem|stcould host it for 25eurs myself...16:48
NeutrinoPowerwe have a Server with Core i7, 4x 2,66GHz, 24GB RAM 2TB, 15TB/month for I think 60€/month16:49
chem|stor 30...16:49
DocScrutinizer0558EUR for 32GB and octo-core 2TB storage16:49
DocScrutinizer05usually you go for unlimited traffic16:49
chem|stNeutrinoPower: and you do not need that for a forum ever...16:50
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: unless you are facing DDoS attacks16:53
Lava_CroftOh nice, free Metro2033 game16:53
DocScrutinizer05even then you should handle that in a smarter way than by raw power16:53
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: my last config survived an attack... but the centers backbone didn't16:54
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DocScrutinizer05I'm trying to get my ass to move, to suggest *professional* administration to HF board - it happens that I know a few admins that did an awesome job for openmoko infra during some 6 years now16:55
tadzikLava_Croft: what, where16:55
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chem|sta good attack does not attack the server itself16:55
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Lava_Crofttadzik: ^^16:55
Lava_CroftYes, FB, and yes it gives you the Steam version16:56
Lava_Croftbut meh, its gratis16:56
tadzikprobably doesn't work on steam on linux anyway ;)16:56
tadzikthanks tho16:56
DocScrutinizer05better pay 1000 %currency% to admins than 10 *  500 to usurer hosters for 10 servers that aren't really needed16:57
Lava_Crofttadzik: probably not16:57
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do we even need a physical server?17:43
kerioVMs are cheaper17:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: the current infra is *insanely* more heavy iron than even one of those dedicated servers17:44
kerioyeah, but why?17:44
DocScrutinizer05that's a point we need to clarify17:45
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DocScrutinizer05but for all I understand of hosting such infra, you'll need at least several vservers and you run those on a real dedicated server17:45
DocScrutinizer05alas we weren't able yet to get hard numbers for traffic and load of the current infra17:48
kerioi can offer a sheevaplug on my home connection17:49
kerioit'll be enough, right?17:49
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DocScrutinizer05too power hungry, we can't afford the energy17:50
keriooh, right17:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: will HF gain control of the domain, btw?17:50
keriokeeping the links active would be a *major* bonus, even with redirects17:51
DocScrutinizer05about to accomplish that17:51
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freemangordonPali: ping19:13
Palifreemangordon, pong19:13
freemangordonPali: what stops you from pushing KP 52 in extras-devel?19:13
Palitesting bq2415x_charger :D19:13
freemangordonwasn't it ok?19:13
PaliI has some problems that my n900 was too hot when was connected to charger at night19:14
freemangordoni mean... you pushed it upstream :D:D:D19:14
Paliboard data code not yet19:16
freemangordonhmm, 3.7 is released19:16
Paliand it is in battery tree19:17
freemangordon13 hours ago19:17
Paliwhich will be mayber merged to 3.819:17
Pali(or 3.9)19:17
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PaliBME (on wallcharger) setting charge current sense voltage to 550 or 650mV and termination current sense voltage to 100mV19:18
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freemangordonPali: so?19:19 (and also board data for bq2415x) setting: charge current sense voltage: 950 mV and termination current sense voltage: 150 mV19:19
Palithis is only difference between and BME19:20
PaliI will test what happen if I decrease charge current sense voltage19:20
freemangordonwhat does that mean for ordinary user?19:20
PaliI'm not happy that last time when I charged with bq2415x my n900 was too hot19:21
Paliping DocScrutinizer0519:22
freemangordonPali: does ^^^ mean bigger charge current?19:22
PaliDocScrutinizer05, it is really safe to increase charge current sense?19:22
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freemangordonwe might have problems during the summer19:22
Palifreemangordon, it is not current limit19:23
freemangordonesp on the beach ;)19:23
freemangordonPali: does not matter, if it leads to hotter device19:23
freemangordonPali: maybe export those through sysfs and use BME values as defaults19:24
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Palialready exported by bq2415x19:24
Paliit can be configured at runtime via sysfs19:25
Paliin board code are defaults values19:25
freemangordonaah, ok. well, chnage them and push KP53 in extras-devel :P19:25
freemangordonKP52 is that19:25
PaliI will ask DocScrutinizer about it19:26
Palifreemangordon, btw did you got my email about browser?19:27
freemangordonPali: yes. I asked merlin1991 to organize a CSSU team meeting19:28
freemangordonbug-triaging and such, having in mind your mail too19:29
merlin1991freemangordon:  yep, you didn't answer when you're avaiable though :D19:29
merlin1991but I've been asking people behind your back ;)19:29
freemangordonmerlin1991: are you trolling me :P19:29
merlin1991btw Pali when's a good time for you?19:29
Palimerlin1991, 12-16 dec. afternoon, evening or night :D19:31
Paliother days - I do not know now19:31
merlin1991so freemangordon whatabout you then?19:31
freemangordontoday and on 15th I am busy19:32
freemangordonfor the other evenings I should be ok19:33
merlin1991other than that?19:33
merlin1991arf irc lag ftw19:33
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freemangordonmerlin1991: 13th?19:36
merlin1991that seems to be the best point19:36
Palimerlin1991, can you send info about meeting also to romaxa?19:38
freemangordonPali: he is your friend, why should merlin1991 send an invlitation :P19:39
PaliI mean that when merlin send email about meeting add CC to romaxa19:40
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freemangordonPali: I got that, I was kidding19:43
merlin1991 he's poking at me ;)19:43
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keriooh, there's just no diffindex19:46
merlin1991and I was already doubting my configuration, how dare you! :D19:46
Pali+1 for diffindexes :-)19:46
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qwazixmerlin1991, freemangordon, Pali say we manage to gather enough interested people and could sponsor a few Nexus 7 devices would you be interested to get hildon running on them (either with ubuntu core or mer core - both are already running on the N7) in a noob-usable state (I mean to ship images for flashing)20:31
merlin1991well I certainly would have a lot of fun attempting that, but I don't even know what options $user has to flash an n7, never looked into it untill now20:32
qwazixIt shouldn't be that hard, under ubuntu everything works except bluetooth which is flakey (and maybe gps, idk)20:33
freemangordonqwazix: I wander what has happened with the guy that ported hildon-desktop to mer20:33
qwazixmerlin1991, Ubuntu has shipped a one-click installer20:33
freemangordonthough yeah, it will be fun to test play woth it20:33
qwazixfreemangordon, cordia is stalled I think but it's in a usable state on mer20:34
qwazix(tried it, works ok)20:34
qwazixon ubuntu I don't know what's the state of the gtk3 port20:34
merlin1991well I dunno if we really want to base our stuff on cordia, since yep gtk320:34
qwazix(shouldn't be too hard as hildon is compiled without deprecated features anyway)20:34
freemangordonhmm, afaik no gtk2 on ubuntu20:34
qwazixThere is a GTK3 branch here
kerioyay cordia20:36
qwazixwhich should work according to the developers20:36
qwazix(but I haven't tried it)20:36
freemangordonqwazix: what is the idea behind, I mean do we want maemo on that, or just maemo look?20:37
qwazixThere is also a nice recovery for the N7 where you just choose the .img file and it installs it. Then you can multiboot with a gui.20:37
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freemangordonas porting h-d shouldn;t be that hard.20:38
freemangordonbut what is the point?20:38
qwazixfreemangordon, we want maemo. I just thought that it would be easier to rebase to something more recent and apps will come one by one, than forward-port all the debian-etch things in maemo to a newer device20:38
keriofreemangordon: the point is that hildon-desktop still rulez HARD20:39
freemangordonkerio: ORLY?20:39
qwazixafter all ubuntu isn't that much far from maemo, (upstart, apt and things)20:39
freemangordontell me about it :P20:39
kerioqwazix: i would actually prefer sysV init20:39
merlin1991arf I'd love to get rid of upstart20:39
qwazixand we'll have the added bonus of all the desktop apps in ubuntu20:40
freemangordonqwazix: having tried it on n900, i'd say its bloated a bit20:40
freemangordonon a toush-screen device? bonus?20:40
qwazixit is, it doesn't run as smooth as android on the N7 but we can strip it down can't we?20:40
Sazpaimonwhat's the process to use google voice over SIP again?20:41
Sazpaimoni can't remember20:41
qwazixofc, what would I do without gnumeric on the N900?20:41
freemangordonqwazix: stripping down sounds to me harder than forward-porting maemo20:41
freemangordonthough I might be wrong20:41
merlin1991I'd start bottom up with h-d and then slowly adding device lock, dialer, sms, sip and telepathy or an alternative20:42
freemangordonqwazix: have in mind that even on that imaginary stripped-down ubuntu with h-d on it, you will still mis maemo applications20:42
freemangordonmerlin1991: you mean to forward-port h-d to ubuntu?20:43
merlin1991nah forward port h-d onto mer20:43
merlin1991or rather take cordia and make the best of it20:43
freemangordonmerlin1991: we won;t have the applications20:43
kerioyeah, cordia is already h-d ported to mer20:43
lufJust another question is the time :(20:44
merlin1991yes, but desktop applications (ubuntu) are not exactly fun to use on a mobile phone20:44
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qwazixyeah, but my thinking is that with the penetration of N7's (and the number of maemo community members that already got them) porting will start soon enough. I for one can port a few apps. See how quickly harmattan got apps, despite porting them being harder because of the need to rewrite the ui.20:44
freemangordonand having perfenctly running h-d makes no sense if one cannot use applications that are available in maemo20:44
qwazixThe idea is to have hildon running on it and then present it to tmo as the next maemo device, subforum and all.20:45
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merlin1991if we keep a gtk2 + qt base (like maemo) with maybe added harmattan (nemo) qml components, "porting" applications gets easy and fast20:45
qwazixWill keep the fire on for a couple of years more, and a new dev cycle can begin.20:45
qwazixmerlin1991, yes, that.20:46
freemangordonqwazix: imo maemo5 goes circles around harmattan in terms of applications, despite almost all of the good developers were withdrawn by Nokia promises20:46
qwazixIt does. I'm just saying that it doesn't lack apps, despite having to write them virtually from scratch20:48
freemangordoni'd rather prefer to keep maemo5 as it is, with plans for kernel upgrade. having everything in the repos available once you install/flash maemo on your n7 will attract far more people20:48
keriofreemangordon: shit will not work20:48
freemangordonotherwise wi'll split the developers. once again20:48
keriofreemangordon: the n7's screen is 1280x80020:48
freemangordonkerio: so?20:48
keriothe n900's screen is 800x48020:48
qwazixfreemangordon, if you think it's possible I'm all in. I was just proposing what I thought was feasible/easier20:49
freemangordonkerio: ^^^20:49
kerioit's not even the same aspect ratio20:49
kerioprograms made for maemo aren't expected to handle resolutions different from 800x480 or 480x80020:50
freemangordonqwazix: I am not defining what is possible, just some random thoughts20:50
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freemangordonkerio: and you know that where from?20:50
keriofrom all the applications that shit bricks when forced to rotate20:50
lufkerio: why?20:50
freemangordonnot to say that not everything in repos is UI20:50
freemangordonqwazix: BTW we are talking omap, ain't?20:51
SpeedEvilI tried various apps exported to my desktop20:51
SpeedEvilfew worked right20:51
lufkerio: It's not ready for landscape but it's different from resolution.20:51
merlin1991luf: quite a few apps on maemo have hardcoded pixel widhts20:51
SpeedEvilresolution wise20:51
freemangordonwhat CPU is that?20:52
lufmerlin1991: ok, I run several using X forwarding :D20:52
qwazixfreemangordon, tegra 320:54
freemangordonisn;t that SoC?20:54
freemangordonwell, what I meant is it ARM enough to run maemo binaries?20:55
freemangordonaccording to wikipedia:20:56
freemangordon"1.2 GHz Quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 (up to 1.3 GHz in single-core mode)"20:56
freemangordontegra 3 30L20:56
* SpeedEvil wishes for data sheets20:56
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qwazixI don't know more info about the SoC, maybe I can run something to find ubuntu architecture? I think it's armhf but not sure20:58
qwazixdefinitely not armel20:58
freemangordonqwazix: arm hard/sof fp has nothing to do with cpu core itself20:59
freemangordonwhat about GPU drivers, are they FOSS?21:00
qwazixNo, they're blob21:00
freemangordonso, the same as with SGX?21:00
qwazixbut, when I was at slush (jolla event) there was an nvidia session where they showed us some foss drivers they were developing21:00
freemangordonoss kernel side with closed userspace blobs?21:01
qwazixnot fully working but we saw graphics on a tablet21:01
SpeedEvilqwazix: accelleratd?21:01
qwazixSpeedEvil, sure, unity doesn't work without acceleration anymore21:03
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qwazixfreemangordon, I don't know the exact architecture, I just read this:
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lufI'm still afraid due to time. But it'll be nice to see some new devels helping me with bluez and others :)21:05
freemangordonqwazix: to be honest, I dont believe maemo on n7 will happen on a volunteers basis. while me and merlin1991 and the others migth be interested to play/hack it, one cannot run such a project in his spare time21:06
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qwazixI also thought about chrooting to maemo but Nokia does some really weird things to launch hildon desktop and I repeatedly failed to launch it (on harmattan). Apps launch ok.21:07
freemangordonqwazix: I am sure we all can help a lot, but can't imagine to be the driving force behind the project.21:09
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qwazixfreemangordon, that's why I thought that just porting hildon to a newer platform would be the way to go. We get updates from them and we just need to maintain hildon. I strongly believe that apps will come in time by the users/devs of the community, one at a time, just like with every new maemo device. We did it 4 times, let's hope that if we choose a nice new base this is going to be the last.21:09
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lufqwazix: what other devices can run maemo/hildon?21:10
qwazix770, N800, N81021:11
freemangordonluf: n9/50 :P21:11
kerioqwazix: not the latest maemo21:11
keriofreemangordon: not maemo at all21:11
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freemangordonkerio: <luf> qwazix: what other devices can run maemo/hildon?21:11
qwazixluf, maybe I misunderstood the question, you mean have the possibility to?21:11
freemangordonthe key word being "can"21:11
keriothen "everything"21:12
qwazixkerio, where's your toaster?21:12
lufI ment on what devices was maemo/hildon ported.21:12
kerioqwazix: it's busy compiling gentoo21:12
freemangordonluf: n90021:13
lufqwazix: I'm affraid you show only Nokia devices  ... No device with only community behind.21:13
qwazixluf, maemo none, hildon has been spotted on x86 on ubuntu and on the S10-3t running on meego and that pretty much covers it21:13
freemangordonluf: cordia was supposed to do that21:14
freemangordonbut for various reason it seems to be abandoned21:14
freemangordonqwazix: tried to contact smoku?21:15
qwazixNo, got any contact info?21:15
qwazixI can send a message to the mailing list though21:15
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freemangordonqwazix: ?21:15
freemangordonqwazix: who knows, he might get interested to resurrect cordia as a community project21:17
freemangordonafter all cordia is smoku's pet. there is lots of development on source code front in CSSU too21:18
freemangordonand various pieces from meego/nemo/mer21:18
qwazixhm, last post not too far in the past. I'll send him a pm21:21
freemangordonqwazix: BTW i think i saw some discussion about porting h-d in alarm. on #maemo-alternatives21:22
freemangordon08:36 <Skry> so, at least it builds, I'll try to sort the linking issues tomorrow and see if it runs21:22
freemangordonArch Linux on ARM21:23
freemangordonPali: is there anything core in Maemo5 besides mce we don;t have a replacement?21:27
Palisystemui daemon21:28
freemangordonPali: count that as we have it :D:D:D21:28
luffreemangordon: networking?21:28
freemangordonit is 26K x86 binary21:28
Pali(all telephony and icd stuff, but this is irrelevant)21:28
freemangordonluf: ummm, what networking? libicd2?21:28
luficd is the right name :)21:28
Paliicd is stupid...21:29
freemangordondo we really need that?21:29
freemangordoni mean can something from mer be used?21:29
Palimaybe next year I look at arch necfg properly and write modules for maemo21:29
PaliI read that somebody was able to use gprs/3g modem with pppd on some alternative system21:30
freemangordonyeah, lets see ho the transition will end21:30
Palifreemangordon, core daemon which is closed is: iphbd21:30
freemangordonPali: afaik Skry did a phone call with ofono and 3G(GSM?) data connection on arch21:31
Paliit was *not* opened for meego21:31
freemangordonPali: what is that?21:31
Paliit is used in dsme, mce? and other apps (using library libiphb) for waking up when something happends21:32
Palilibiphb (as client library) was opened21:32
Palinext closed core daemon is location-daemon21:34
freemangordonPali: come on , iphbd is 16k, i'll re it while having my coffee tomorrow :P21:34
Palibut there is some RE info about phonet location packets and already written parser for that (somewhere on wiki)21:34
luffreemangordon: too many coffees will kill you.21:35
freemangordonluf: hehe21:35
qwazixmail to smoku sent. Let's see if/what he'll respond21:35
freemangordonPali: well location daemon could be hard stuff21:35
Palianother closed app is policy-application-detector which doing something magic with policy ohm and other parts...21:36
freemangordonohm is slosed source?21:36
Palisomewhere on tmo thread I wrote info what that app doing21:36
Paliohm is open21:36
Paliand all ohm plugins was opened21:36
qwazixby the way they're trying over at xda to make a phone call with the 3g N7? I'd love to beat them to that :)21:36
Paliin git tree you can also find maemo5 version of ohm21:36
Palisee links on:
PaliI added here also maemo5 commits of opened binaries21:37
Paliclosed is also pasr which doing something with pulseaudio21:37
freemangordonPali: great. so, besides location daemon there is nothing that is worth mentioning?21:37
Paliluf, yes, alsaped too :-)21:38
Paliis closed21:38
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Paliand sysinfod daemon21:38
Paliand clockd daemon21:38
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Palifreemangordon, that should be all from core (non ui) parts21:39
Paliif you want to look at mce I have some patches on top of harmattan mce which adding some fremantle (deleted) code21:40
freemangordonok. clockd is 37K x86 binary21:40
Palifor clockd there is very nice documentation21:40
Paliwhere is written that is clockd doing21:41
Paliin clocd is missing option for syncing time from network (ntp) or from gps21:41
freemangordonPali: well, right now I am trying to make a clear view how much of an effort remains for closed stuff in maemo21:41
Paliif you RE clockd, I can write that missing ntp support21:41
freemangordonPali: after you use libcal :P21:42
Pali^^^ a lot of information about functions in library & daemon21:43
Paliwith description21:43
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lufI know I should search first but you know a lot :) Is there something what brings support into N900 calendar for removing one occurrence from repeating event?21:44
freemangordonhmm jonwil might get interested in that21:44
Palinext closed library is libabook (based on open libebook) for contacts21:45
freemangordonluf: check libalarm21:45
freemangordonPali: forget libabook21:45
freemangordonthis is huuge21:45
Paliand I forgot camera daemon: omap3camd21:45
Palithis is also core21:46
freemangordonyeah :(21:46
freemangordonBTW I still have no idea what omap3camd does21:46
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Paliit doing some image correction21:47
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qwazixCould we get rid of it if camera-ui switches to fcam?21:50
Palilibomap3camd - That proprietary library is responsible for implementing automatic white balance, exposure and focus functionality, and performing still capture, for example.21:50
freemangordonqwazix: fcam is doing its own image correction?21:51
Palifreemangordon, ^^^ this is what I found about omap3camd21:51
qwazixall that can be done with fcam21:51
qwazixnot video however21:51
freemangordonqwazix: why not?21:51
qwazixNow that I think about it I'm not sure it can't...21:52
qwazixWe'll have to check how fast can it produce frames21:52
qwazixand pipe them to something else for encoding21:52
freemangordonqwazix: no, this is not how it works afaik21:52
Palialsaped is in package alsa-policy-enforcement21:53
PaliI think thats all from closed core packages21:53
qwazixfreemangordon, how does it work? I have zero knowledge about video21:54
freemangordonqwazix: it puts video driver in a different mode21:55
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freemangordonPali: so, hard things - alsaped, location daemon, libabook, omap3camd. last one maybe could be replaced with fcam21:56
qwazixI haven't seen anything about video in fcam api that's why I said it can't do it. But as long as it streams to the screen maybe it can be hacked to stream to mencoder or something idk.21:57
freemangordondid i miss something?21:57
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freemangordonqwazix: you need a way to switch resolutions21:57
freemangordonto do autofocus, zoom, etc21:58
Paliproblematic with camera is only omap3cam. camera firmware was opened (some perl scripts :D), kernel driver is open too, gstreamer plugin open too, camera-ui application was rewritten21:58
freemangordonqwazix: have in mind i have NFC about fcam drivers21:58
freemangordonPali: yes21:58
qwazixautofocus and resolution switch can be done easily, zoom shouldn't be hard but not sure21:59
freemangordonqwazix: maybe a more realistic approach is to try to run maemo with newer kernel/glibc on n900 first and then to port it to n721:59
kerioqwazix: right, because streaming the screen to mencoder will work perfectly fine on the n90021:59
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freemangordonqwazix: are you sure omap3camd does not play with fcam drivers?22:00
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qwazixkerio, not streaming the screen to mencoder, streaming the image from the camera to $encoder, but that was just an idea I don't know if it could work22:00
lufis iap_conndlg closed?22:01
qwazixfreemangordon, no I'm not sure22:01
lufIt's because something else ;)22:01
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lufiap_conndlg 2.88+0m5[1568]: Connecting RFCOMM failed: Method "Connect" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Serial" doesn't exist22:01
lufI can't understand the problem as the serial support in bluez-4.99 is same as in bluez-4.66. So I want to get more info about calling.22:02
freemangordonluf: I think ^^^ is clear enough, you are missing some dbus method22:03
freemangordonmaybe there is a signature change, from 's' to 'v' for example22:03
freemangordonor the method is no longer called 'Connect'22:03
lufbluetoothd[1769]: serial/port.c:create_serial_device() Registered interface org.bluez.Serial on path /org/bluez/1769/hci0/dev_00_0C_76_D3_71_7E22:04
freemangordonluf: ok, but what methods do you have on that iface?22:04
luf4.99:         { "Connect",    "s", "s", port_connect, G_DBUS_METHOD_FLAG_ASYNC },22:05
luf4.60:        { "Connect",    "s", "s", port_connect, G_DBUS_METHOD_FLAG_ASYNC },22:05
lufI'm not sure on what patch the iap_conndlg is trying that Connect.22:05
freemangordonluf: can you try with dbus-launch?22:05
lufNo as I don't have how the don_falcone was calling that :(22:06
freemangordonluf: aah, sorry, I thought you have that on your device :)22:06
freemangordonluf: what about path? is it the same?22:07
lufAnyone knows how to browse remote computer via Bluez on N900?22:07
lufNo idea. I pasted all I know about it :(22:08
freemangordonluf: I don;t think we have an application to support that22:08
lufThe Register is from my N900. The iap_conndlg is not from my N900.22:08
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qwazixluf, if you set up a bluetooth pan, then samba or nfs and use wizard mounter?22:11
lufNo it's not the goal. I need to use obexFTP.22:11
qwazixah ok,22:12
freemangordonguys, we may ask the board (or council or do a donation pull) and byr ARM hexrays22:13
keriowell, i clicked that22:14
kerioit doesn't load22:14
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qwazix1722eur? and why is it 1 eur more expensive than the x86 one?22:18
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qwazixThere's another possibility (if the maemo binaries run on tegra). Make h-d work on ubuntu, put the whole maemo rootfs on a chroot minus the closed bits and run them on the chroot but on the main display, just like the debbie script. Ugly hack but still.22:23
freemangordonqwazix: well, it is not exactly cheap, but 1700 euro is not like a million22:26
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freemangordonand that will allow us to RE almost everything, including phone-ui, cellular modem daemo, omap3camd, etc, etc22:28
qwazixhmm, so in addition to a couple of N7's and the migration stuff we've got to raise about 3 grand as I see it...22:29
qwazixnot impossible...22:29
FIQrunning hildon on N7? or what?22:31
freemangordonFIQ: read the backscroll22:31
FIQi'll see22:31
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lufUgh I'm unable to find connui-conndlgs-bluetooth 2.61+0m5 source ... is it somewhere?22:38
freemangordonluf: surorise, surprise, it is closed source :P22:39
lufMaybe that's the reason ...22:39
FIQah ok22:40
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luffreemangorfon: what is libconbtui0-hid?23:02
lufBTW I find the source of that error: libconbtui0 2.88+0m523:03
lufBut it seems another closed .... :(23:03
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freemangordonyeah, it is23:04
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lufAnd I'm also surprised that I see strings like PBAP in librfcomm.so23:06
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freemangordonis that closed source too?23:06
luflibconbtui0 - you wrote it's closed23:07
freemangordon librfcomm.so23:07
freemangordonthat one23:07
lufit's part of libconbtui023:07
freemangordonaah, ok23:07
lufMaybe the log entry only means that the remote BT doesn't support serial :)23:08
lufI have to wait for don_falcone input. I'm going to bed as I have to start working in 4 hours and 30 minutes.23:09
freemangordonluf: BTW it should be relatively easy to rewrite whatever BT UI plugin we want23:10
freemangordonluf: aah, rush then LD23:10
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keriofreemangordon: you always say that!23:34
kerioyou can't be sure!23:34
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Sazpaimonis the scratchbox repository down for anyone?23:39
tadzikspeaking of which, I can't seem to be able to install qt4-dev-tools in it :)23:41
tadzikany ideas?23:42
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merlin1991Sazpaimon: scratchbox repository goes up and down all the time23:45
merlin1991tadzik: what do you get out of apt-cache policy qt4-dev-tools23:45
merlin1991and why do you even neeed it?23:45
tadzikmerlin1991: I want qmake23:45
merlin1991it's inside libqt4-dev23:45
tadzikah, okayo23:45
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Sazpaimonalso, how can I add a devkit to an already existing target23:46
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merlin1991hm you could try settting it up again with sb-conf st "targetname" -d "devkits"23:48
merlin1991and then installing it via sb-conf in -d23:49
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Sazpaimonyeah but then I'd need to extract the rootstrap and all that garbage23:56
Sazpaimonfor now I just added the devkit to my PATH23:57

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