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| freemangordon | Yeah, I think council should fix maemo/n900 page on wikipedia once and for all | 00:15 |
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| freemangordon | there is not a single word for CSSU there :( | 00:16 |
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| freemangordon | if you read through the article, you got the impression n900/maemo5 is dead and burried some 5 years ago | 00:17 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 00:17 |
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| jon_y | freemangordon: deleted, not notable enough :) | 00:18 |
| jon_y | also, No firsthand information | 00:18 |
| jon_y | and lastly, "Citation needed" | 00:19 |
| jon_y | the usual wikipedia disease :) | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | jon_y: sorry, don;t get what's deleted. | 00:20 |
| jon_y | no, it wasn't deleted, I was just joking | 00:20 |
| freemangordon | aah :D | 00:20 |
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| jon_y | I did try to update a page about a software I worked on | 00:21 |
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| freemangordon | "A new update (Version 21.2011.38-1.002) was released onto the Nokia N900 on 2 November as an OTA-Update. The new version mostly consists of security updates." | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | Bullshit, who wrote that crap ?!? | 00:21 |
| jon_y | those admins came down like a pack of wolves to remove the edits | 00:21 |
| freemangordon | well, that's why I asked "the council" to edit it, they are supposed to be fluent in english and mature enough to know how to do it in the correct eay | 00:22 |
| freemangordon | *way | 00:22 |
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| jon_y | hmm, not sure if there will be any excuses from the wikipedia admins | 00:23 |
| * freemangordon does not fall in either of the ^^^ categories :D:D:D | 00:23 | |
| jon_y | well, good work if it wasn't reverted after a few weeks | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: thanks, and yep | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (wikipedia) | 00:28 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I discussed wikipedia issue once woth woody, while he was still councilor, but it seems this had lower prioruty than the otehr tasks. And I admit I agree (re priority) | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 00:29 |
| freemangordon | the fuuuck, my writing skills... :D | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since wikipedia can get fixed by $random-community-member, according to wikiwiki def | 00:30 |
| freemangordon | I am not aware of the rules, but somehow I feel it is council's job to do it | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council means nothing to wikipedia | 00:32 |
| freemangordon | sure, but still | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they'd hardly even bother to learn what it means in maemo | 00:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | why not fix wikipedia ypourselfz? | 00:38 |
| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: that's what we talk about | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | freemangordon: I mean, you. you see an error on wikipedia, fix it. no need to contact anyone. | 00:39 |
| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I am not exactly famous with my English skills | 00:40 |
| * ShadowJK thought wikipedia rules would prevent maemo council from editing wikipedia's maemo article | 00:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | what? | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | whay is that? | 00:40 |
| freemangordon | *why | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't edit your own article | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | in theory | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | so generate a draft, and ask about English issues | 00:42 |
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| freemangordon | so physicists cannot edit articles on physics? come on. | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | If you follow wikipedia rules, the people working at the LHC can't edit articles about discoveries the LHC has made | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | SpeedEvil: I don't get your point, really. Is it FMG the only one left? or what? | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | That also go against wikipedia's "No original research" rules | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: ok, got it | 00:43 |
| freemangordon | But Maemo is (still) Nokia (tm) | 00:44 |
| freemangordon | and Maemo council is in no way related to Nokia | 00:44 |
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| XATRIX | I thing after i updated my kernel my cameras stoped working | 01:05 |
| XATRIX | ;( | 01:05 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: fcam? | 01:05 |
| XATRIX | front cam, back cam both | 01:05 |
| XATRIX | No picture | 01:05 |
| XATRIX | Just a black screen | 01:05 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: fcam is a software, do you have it installed | 01:05 |
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| freemangordon | ? | 01:05 |
| XATRIX | Sounds if | 01:06 |
| XATRIX | How can i check it ? | 01:06 |
| freemangordon | do "dpkg -l | grep fcam" in terminal, without quotes | 01:06 |
| XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -l | grep fcam | 01:07 |
| XATRIX | ii fcam-drivers 1.0.6-1 Kernel drivers necessary for the FCam camera control API. | 01:07 |
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| freemangordon | XATRIX: ok, install fcam-drivers from extras-devel and cameras will work again | 01:08 |
| XATRIX | How can i add extras-devel ? | 01:08 |
| XATRIX | Seems like i found | 01:09 |
| freemangordon | open http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel-fremantle.install from microb | 01:10 |
| XATRIX | Can i also add Extras-testing ? | 01:10 |
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| freemangordon | XATRIX: it is not advicable to have those repos permanently enabled | 01:11 |
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| XATRIX | But what's the link for testing repo ? | 01:16 |
| XATRIX | I will add it also, but disable for sure | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: http://repository.maemo.org/ | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | your OS id Fremantle :P | 01:16 |
| freemangordon | *is | 01:16 |
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| XATRIX | Yea | 01:18 |
| XATRIX | I know :) | 01:18 |
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| XATRIX | And i have ton of an updates advised after i applied extras-devel | 01:18 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: don't update if you don't know what you are doing | 01:19 |
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| XATRIX | Yea | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: just do (as root in terminal) apt-get install fcam-drivers | 01:19 |
| XATRIX | Preparing to replace fcam-drivers 1.0.6-1 (using .../fcam-drivers_1.0.7-2_armel.deb) ... | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | yep | 01:20 |
| XATRIX | I've done...what now ? | 01:20 |
| XATRIX | Maybe i need to reload some kernel modules ? | 01:20 |
| freemangordon | after installation, disable -testing and -devel repos and reboot | 01:20 |
| XATRIX | modprobe -r && modpro | 01:20 |
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| XATRIX | By the way, is the kernel of maemo upgraded sometime ? | 01:22 |
| XATRIX | I mean how often? | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: kernel-power? doesn't it ring the bell? | 01:23 |
| XATRIX | Uh ? | 01:23 |
| XATRIX | Yes, kernel-power | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | XATRIX: check in the changelog (of kernel-power) for how often | 01:24 |
| XATRIX | Ok | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (wikipedia) anyway I did a few minor edits, CBA to do more | 01:31 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: better than nothing, thank a lot | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 01:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq for OTA-bitmap | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=521809224 | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty much failed on "Disambiguated: OTA → OTA bitmap," | 01:36 |
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| XATRIX | Ok...the cams are working tho | 01:38 |
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| XATRIX | But it has 100% cpu load :( | 01:38 |
| XATRIX | My vide a bit laggy | 01:38 |
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| freemangordon | XATRIX: who loads cpu on max? | 01:39 |
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| XATRIX | It sounds like some software called thelepaty | 01:40 |
| XATRIX | and pulseaudio | 01:40 |
| freemangordon | give it sometime to settle down. | 01:41 |
| XATRIX | It's already about 5 mins | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | pulseaudio is your sound | 01:42 |
| XATRIX | Yes,i know | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | do you do a videocall? | 01:42 |
| XATRIX | I'm running Skype via Wifi | 01:42 |
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| XATRIX | Both video is online | 01:42 |
| freemangordon | 100% load is normal | 01:42 |
| XATRIX | I'm receiveing and sending video | 01:42 |
| XATRIX | Also what is the Mac OS folder in My Docs ? | 01:44 |
| XATRIX | + cities ? | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | NFC for Mac folder | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | cities if OVI Maps offline cache | 01:44 |
| freemangordon | BTW Mac folder is normal, I have it too | 01:45 |
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| freemangordon | just have NFC what it is, maybe some stuff needed for Apple devices | 01:45 |
| XATRIX | Can i safely delete it ? | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mac folder is for using mass storage mode with mac | 01:51 |
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| XATRIX | I have no mac :) | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: and yes, you can safely delete it but nobody sane will suggest to do that, since it doesn't eat any remarkable space and doesn't conflict with anything, and *eventually* you'll need it (think of next party witha friend who actually got a mac) | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly this flder is *last* issue to be concerned about | 01:53 |
| FIQ | needing a special folder for storage to work is just stupid | 01:56 |
| FIQ | but indeed deleting mac os directory=bad | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umount ~user/MyDocs/; >~user/MyDocs/'Do_Not_WriteInThisFolder!' | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mount ~usr/MyDocs | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount ~user/MyDocs | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even | 02:02 |
| Aoyagi | This must be the only channel where people mostly talk on topic... | 02:04 |
| XATRIX | Ok...thanks | 02:07 |
| XATRIX | Thank's for advices guys,see you tomorrow! | 02:07 |
| XATRIX | Gotta go | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: it's getting worse since a year or so. The downside: more and more users don't closely follow what's happening in here, since they are not interested in off-topic chat | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we sometimes even call this the tmo-ification of IRC | 02:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly mentions that he's not following tmo at all, since years | 02:10 | |
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| Aoyagi | tmo-ification? | 02:26 |
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| Aoyagi | Tenant management organisation! | 02:27 |
| Skry | that's what we do here | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tm0 | 02:59 |
| infobot | from memory, tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 02:59 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 02:59 |
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| Skry | ~T-MO | 03:04 |
| infobot | t-mo is probably T-Mobile | 03:04 |
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| ManoftheSea | My N900 USB has broken. I am sad. | 04:40 |
| ManoftheSea | Let us mourn the passing of another N900. | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ManoftheSea: dang! what happened? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell ManoftheSea about usbfix | 04:57 |
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| ManoftheSea | hey DocScrutinizer05. I guess I dropped it directly on the USB plug while charging. Seems I ripped the D+ and D- pads off. | 05:09 |
| ManoftheSea | It's beyond my ability to re-solder. | 05:09 |
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| ManoftheSea | I didn't notice until the end of the day. | 05:10 |
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| ManoftheSea | I have seen that thread. Just... after breaking it. | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ManoftheSea: well, you might give it a try and ask Nokia Care if they could fix it, just tell them you got it 3 years ago and there's NO MORE warranty - otherwise they will keep it and give you some crappy windows phone or sth | 05:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | recently users reorted they got their USB receptacle fixed by Nokia Care. There even been a report about main board swap been done by Nokia - this one on warranty though | 05:51 |
| ManoftheSea | Oh really? neat. I'm surprised they'd do anything if it's not under warrenty though. | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly Nokia got some new spare mainboards manufactured | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if they can fix it and charge you for it, why not? | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the user claimed it cost hin 40 GBP or sth | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | him* | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which sounds like a good deal for >60min of repair work | 05:54 |
| ManoftheSea | oh yeah, that seems great then. | 05:54 |
| ManoftheSea | I'll look into it, thanks Doc. | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 05:56 |
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| ManoftheSea | Also, did I see you're on the Board again? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ManoftheSea: if Nokia says they can't fix, you still might find a hacker that does hardcore fix like in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 | 05:59 |
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| ManoftheSea | eBay's got used models ~ $150. Might be cheaper than the repair. | 06:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ManoftheSea: if Nokia says they can't fix, you still might find a hacker that does hardcore fix like in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12 the photos (external links) are gone | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shame on you, tmo | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ManoftheSea: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1062790#post1062790 | 06:10 |
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| ManoftheSea | doc, yeah, I've seen these threads. | 06:11 |
| ManoftheSea | If Nokia can't do it for cheap enough, I'll have to get a USB cable and solder to the pins under teh battery. | 06:12 |
| ManoftheSea | I was intending to turn my phone into a home server at end of life anyway. | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1070122#post1070122 | 06:12 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: | 10:10 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 10:10 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: a link has been mentioned to stuff on your server on TMO. | 10:11 |
| vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1300085&postcount=25 | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, so what? | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the stuff on this server is meant for community, so it's normal somebody refers to it. Just *some* few files are in 'hidden' locations so they won't show up in search engines | 11:03 |
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| XATRIX | Hi guys, How can i make my handset to automatically disable WLAN interface if it has no connection for 5 min (for powersaving in case i forget to disable it) | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't post complete URLs to those files, neither to hidden path components above them (like "docs") | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: simply disable the "connect to WLAN if available" | 11:05 |
| XATRIX | Found a wiki Autodisconnect | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't use auto-disconnect! it's a real botch | 11:05 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, Nope...it's not a solution... I need it to shut down the interface | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gives WAY more trouble than benefit | 11:05 |
| XATRIX | Don't think it does... Cause it supposed to disable the iface. Only in this case you will have more powersave | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I don't understand what you're trying to do then | 11:06 |
| XATRIX | If it doesn't automatically connect, it doesn't mean it won't scan your area | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense | 11:06 |
| XATRIX | It's fully operational , but just don't connect to | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's *exactly* what this means | 11:07 |
| XATRIX | So, i need something to manually disable wlan | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you say so *shrug* | 11:07 |
| XATRIX | Oops...i mean to disable wlan if it doesn't use network | 11:07 |
| XATRIX | Such as , if there's no active wlan connection -> unload kernel modules | 11:07 |
| XATRIX | for 5 min | 11:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 shakes head | 11:08 | |
| XATRIX | If it's idle | 11:08 |
| XATRIX | Also it shout monitor Btooh | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now that's what you learnt during the 5 years you're using N900? | 11:08 |
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| XATRIX | Hm...i'm using N900 for 2days | 11:09 |
| XATRIX | http://wiki.maemo.org/AutoDisconnect - that's what i found out | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so why do you think you need to teach me about powersaving? | 11:09 |
| XATRIX | But it doesn't mean i'm not used to linux in general | 11:09 |
| tadzik | we have this saying in Poland, "don't teach your father how to make babies" ;) | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I tell you WLAN *is* shut down when not in use... | 11:10 |
| XATRIX | I'm not teaching you... I'm telling you how do i see the subj... | 11:10 |
| XATRIX | tadzik, in Soviet Russia babies made fathers ;) | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to disable anything, ICD does that for you | 11:10 |
| XATRIX | We say, that egges teaches the turkey :) | 11:11 |
| XATRIX | ICD ? | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Internet Connection Daemon 2 | 11:11 |
| XATRIX | Oh | 11:11 |
| XATRIX | What do you say, if i check your point in powertop ?:) | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I say powetop doesn't give a means to check wlan | 11:12 |
| XATRIX | workring kernel module - is a driver , drivers cause interrupts, system ticks, and processor attention... No driver - no power drain | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuuuure | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and iwconfig, rfkill and whatnot else are for my ass | 11:13 |
| XATRIX | Yea, usually i tune up my laptop in such a way... | 11:13 |
| XATRIX | Also, rfkill could help. But i like a way to unload driver | 11:13 |
| tadzik | you may as well assume that every inactive process is actually doing busy-waiting | 11:13 |
| XATRIX | Yes, it's correct | 11:13 |
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| tadzik | ...noitsnot | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, maybe sigstop each inactive process, just to be sure | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 11:14 |
| tadzik | why do you think htop says "260 threads, 1 running?" | 11:14 |
| tadzik | because 259 are _not_ running | 11:14 |
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| XATRIX | They are, but the system sheduler isn't currently working with them | 11:15 |
| tadzik | ever peeked at the system's CPU scheduler? | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually your thinking been correct.... for PR1.0 WLAN drivers | 11:15 |
| XATRIX | It's not applied for the kernel and kernel modules aswell | 11:15 |
| tadzik | that's the point of not running | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and PR1.0 ICD2 | 11:15 |
| XATRIX | tadzik, it's running ! But is in idle state... | 11:15 |
| XATRIX | If there's a process, it's running! | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since then it's not needed anymore to unload WLAN modules "manually" | 11:16 |
| tadzik | okay, we have to agree that we don't agree | 11:16 |
| tadzik | I may have a different definition of "running" | 11:16 |
| XATRIX | That's only my point | 11:16 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, Ok..in this case, maybe things changed | 11:16 |
| XATRIX | As for example, if i do unload my Ralink wireless modules on my laptop, it will stay alive on 24m more | 11:17 |
| XATRIX | So, it does sense | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: actually look at internet settings - you'll find not only "connect to WLAN when available" but also a period time for WLAN scans. All invented to keep WLAN inactive and shut down most of the time | 11:18 |
| XATRIX | If i use ipw2200 WLAN intface. It makes no differece | 11:18 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05, Sorry, what do you mean ? If it keep scanning all the time, it wil drain power | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:19 |
| XATRIX | So, the point of mine was to manually enable WLAN when i actually need it | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that period (5min, 10min, 30min) is the time WLAN is powered down, since it eats power like candy *especially* during scans | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so PR1.1 (iirc) invented that auto-shutdown of WLAN | 11:20 |
| XATRIX | Yes, you right as a part... It means it works like in a passive mode during scans | 11:20 |
| XATRIX | It measn that it drains power much more less, in a scanning mode, because it doesn't use TX | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it works like in PSM=0 at very least, during scans. Means it doesn't sleep ever | 11:21 |
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| XATRIX | Hm | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while when connected to an AP it has a partner to do PSM and go to sleep until next relevant beacon is scheduled by AP | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's done because RX eats lots of power on WLAN | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and during scan RX duty cycle is 100% | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so since PR1.1 ICD2 does all that module-unloading resp something similar for you | 11:24 |
| XATRIX | Maybe you have a point ... | 11:24 |
| XATRIX | How can i check my current PR version ? | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and auto-disconnect is messing up your complete internet connectivity setup to a point where it eventually breaks completely and nobody so far found out how to fix the mess except with a full reflash | 11:25 |
| XATRIX | Also what about 3G/2G network modes? | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | current PR version is to be found in settings->"about product" | 11:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 21.2011.38... is PR1.3.1 | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20.2010.36 is PR1.3 | 11:27 |
| XATRIX | version: 21.2011.38-1 | 11:27 |
| XATRIX | Is it ok ? | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.2009.51-1 is PR1.1 | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's most recent version | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PR1.3.1 | 11:28 |
| XATRIX | So it has everything that i need | 11:29 |
| XATRIX | I hope | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for 2G/3G switching I use the 2G/3G switcher applet | 11:30 |
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| XATRIX | I have it also. But want to automate it a bit | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | switching manually to 3G when I use browser and find I need to download huge amounts of data | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: automating it isn't really easy, since modem takes ~10s to switch from one mode to the other. during that time there's no connectivity at all | 11:31 |
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| XATRIX | Yes | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could do *some* automation by switching to 3G as soon as you start the browser, for example. Some simple dbus msg sent in a browserd/microB wrapper should do | 11:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a gconftool invocation, dunno | 11:34 |
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| XATRIX | Yea, will think about it | 11:37 |
| XATRIX | Thanks anyway! | 11:37 |
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| * jonwil wishes he could think of something useful to do for the n900 | 11:42 | |
| * jonwil has run out of things worth reverse engineering | 11:42 | |
| tadzik | there's also dual-band, but it's greedy, as in it prefers 3G to 2G. It would be nice if it could be non-greedy | 11:42 |
| jonwil | Although I will say this: If I had the ARM version of HexRays (or a similar ARM decompiler) I could make BIG progress in reverse engineering a number of interesting things :P | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: indeed I never use 3G setting, only 2G and dual | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3G is pointless | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it would be useful if dual would prefer 2G | 11:45 |
| jonwil | But unfortunatly I dont have a spare 3k to spend on ARM HexRays :( | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: maybe find some warez? ;-) | 11:46 |
| jonwil | trust me, if it was available in the places I get crap like that (e.g. where I got my x86 HexRays from) I would have found it by now :) | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I also would appreciate a Lauterbach ICE and tracebuffer | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that stuff is even 5 times more expensive | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: if you don't find good new stuff to RE, maybe you want to learn how to exploit ARM's ETM/ETB then ;-) | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think you can create a program that reads out the embedded trace buffer internally (not via JTAG) | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would be MAD useful, for all sorts of real debugging, and even for RE purposes, once it works | 11:53 |
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| jonwil | unfortunately digging that deep into the inner workings of the ARM CPU is not something I would find interesting :P | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check ... :-/ | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how could you say http://search.arm.com/search?site=Site-Search&entqr=0&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&client=ARM_Site_Refresh&ud=1&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&getfields=Description&proxystylesheet=ARM_Site_Refresh&q=embedded+trace+macrocell is not interesting? | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bwaahaaahaaaa NOKIA again! what else? http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/arm/include/asm/hardware/coresight.h?a=microblaze | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.arm.com/files/pdf/Better_Trace_for_Better_Software_-_CoreSight_STM_with_LTTng_-_19th_October_2010.pdf | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://lttng.org/ | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ tracing in linux | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though, it seems it doesn't support ETM :-S | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however: >>New whitepaper to learn how CoreSight STM can be used by software developers with open source trace framework as Linux Trace Toolkit (LTTng)<< ( http://www.arm.com/products/system-ip/debug-trace/index.php ) | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, >>ARM, Nokia, Texas Instruments and Lauterbach discussed at IP-ESC 09 how scalable on-chip system visibility can be delivered cost effectively.<< | 12:27 |
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| Aoyagi | on-chip system visibility_ | 12:29 |
| Aoyagi | ? | 12:29 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: yeah, it is a pity we still don;t have access to ARM HexRays | 12:34 |
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| jonwil | If I had ARM HexRays, I recon I could figure out the 2D parts of PowerVR drivers no problems... | 12:37 |
| jonwil | at least based on my analysis at this point | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Case Study – GStreamer - FFmpeg execution under Android - Target: Mistral EVM OMAP35xx Based on Cortex-A8 processor<< http://www.arm.com/files/pdf/CoreSight-On-Chip-Visibility-Webinar-March-2010.pdf pp.32 | 12:49 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, ping | 12:58 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, ping | 12:58 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, Preliminary results are in! | 12:59 |
| vi_ | <vi_> With the n900 set to 250-600MHz, playing a 27minute .mp4 movie file using mplayer and the screen off and locked.# | 12:59 |
| vi_ | <vi_> The N900 uses 5% LESS power with smart reflex enabled. | 12:59 |
| vi_ | <vi_> Interestingly, with the 'DSP' profile (250-805MHz, SR on) the n900 used 12% more power than 250-600. | 12:59 |
| Aoyagi | "Well from what i have researched on Maemo, it is more of a full on linux kernel than Android." is there some sort of a longer explanation of that somewhere? | 12:59 |
| vi_ | and 7% more power than 250-600 without SR. | 12:59 |
| vi_ | So that seems pretty conclusive to me. | 13:00 |
| vi_ | SR DOES save power. | 13:00 |
| vi_ | Aoyagi, yes. | 13:00 |
| vi_ | maemo==linux | 13:00 |
| vi_ | android != linux | 13:00 |
| Aoyagi | That's only rephrasing of that quote :P | 13:00 |
| tadzik | that... doesn't sound correct | 13:00 |
| vi_ | The qoute is nonsense. | 13:01 |
| vi_ | Maemo IS linux. | 13:01 |
| vi_ | Android uses a broken linux kernel and that is where the similarity ends. | 13:02 |
| vi_ | Maemo users are full on nerds. Android users like to think they are. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:02 |
| Aoyagi | hah | 13:02 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, good morning! | 13:02 |
| vi_ | did you read the above? | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 13:02 |
| vi_ | are you a believer? | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no. But I think those results are conclusive | 13:06 |
| vi_ | P=CfV^2 | 13:06 |
| Aoyagi | From what I've read so far, " Android is a more mass marketed smart phone with bits of linux running it." I guess I need to learn what "only kernel" means :D | 13:06 |
| vi_ | Remarkably the only mention of the above formula WRT to processors on wikipedia is on the P4 speedstep page. | 13:06 |
| vi_ | Aoyagi, The kernel is the 'layer' between the hardware and the UI. | 13:06 |
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| vi_ | ((((hardware)kernel)UI)you) | 13:06 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, We all knew SR would save power. The interesting proof is that the optimum freqs for battery life are 250-600MHz. | 13:07 |
| Aoyagi | So based on that, Maemo uses also Linux UI (along with a kernel that's not (somehow) broken) :S | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise | 13:07 |
| vi_ | Linux is a universal operating system, the same linux that runs on your PC is the same linux that runs on your n900. | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android isn't | 13:08 |
| vi_ | Simply compiled for a different architecture. | 13:08 |
| vi_ | Android is a derivative operating system that is not so...flexable. | 13:09 |
| vi_ | It breaks some of the ideas that underpin linux, so we call it broken. | 13:09 |
| Aoyagi | Makes sense. | 13:10 |
| Aoyagi | Still tho, I thought flexibility was its sellpoint. | 13:10 |
| vi_ | Basically you can call it a completely different operating system. | 13:10 |
| Aoyagi | Along with tons of social "apps" bloatware and market place full of junk. | 13:10 |
| vi_ | Remember they are selling it to pseudo nerds. | 13:11 |
| Aoyagi | Oh and MeeGo? | 13:13 |
| Aoyagi | I haven't heard that much about it... | 13:13 |
| vi_ | The notion of flexibility is created by the hundreds of 'work-around' apps that people like to install to 'fix' different aspects of their superior OS. | 13:13 |
| vi_ | Aoyagi, Meego is dead. Forget about it. | 13:13 |
| Aoyagi | Yeah, that's what I figured :D | 13:14 |
| Aoyagi | About the workarounds. | 13:14 |
| Aoyagi | So I take it it was inferior to Maemo at some point. | 13:14 |
| vi_ | Where as under maemo you do have true flexibility. | 13:14 |
| vi_ | That is why it is so easy to break your n900. | 13:14 |
| vi_ | What was inferior to maemo? | 13:15 |
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| Aoyagi | Meego | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the partnership was a hell obviously, and eventually resulted in a nasty divorce | 13:15 |
| vi_ | meego was not inferior. Just alternative. | 13:15 |
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| Aoyagi | Ah. | 13:15 |
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| vi_ | I have NFC what Nokia were smoking when they decided a maemo/moblin merger was a good idea. | 13:16 |
| Aoyagi | Oh yes, this "easy to break" part reminded me - is it difficult (/possible) to get a fresh clean system on N900? I imagine it shouldn't be that hard. | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meEgo | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: huh? | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 13:17 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:17 |
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| vi_ | Aoyagi, if you have a linux computer flashing is piss easy. | 13:19 |
| Aoyagi | Sounds easy enough. | 13:19 |
| vi_ | 1 command | 13:19 |
| Aoyagi | And no I don't have one. | 13:19 |
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| vi_ | you can even perhaps use the opensource flasher, 0xFFFF to flash 1 n900 from another. | 13:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi: you don't have one what? | 13:35 |
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| Aoyagi | DocScrutinizer05: Linux computer. | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, do you have a PC? | 13:36 |
| Aoyagi | PC and a laptop. PC is ridden by countless worms and laptop is work machine... | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I'd suggest to download and burn a linux live CD, and download the flasher tool for linux and the fiasco-image.bin to C: and access it from Linux booted from CD there | 13:38 |
| Aoyagi | I plan to make one of these machines dualboot at some point... or maybe get a new laptop, dunno. | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, booting from CD is poor man's dualboot | 13:39 |
| Aoyagi | xD | 13:40 |
| Aoyagi | Yeah, I might as well get some USB stick and throw some distro on it. | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should work as well | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nice detail is you only need console to run flasher | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no fancy X11 and KDE/gnome needed | 13:41 |
| Aoyagi | Yeah, I like fancy... :S | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get DamnSmallLinux | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, if you like fancy, get Knoppix | 13:42 |
| Aoyagi | Anyway, I was asking about flashing because I'll prolly get a used N900, at least for now. And I don't want to have some previous user's horrors swimming it it. | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | g'nite | 13:45 |
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| Aoyagi | And yeah, I heard about Knoppix somewhere. | 13:46 |
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| joga | ..knoppix, fancy? has it even been updated in the recent 7 years or something | 14:27 |
| dimir | Does it need to? :-P | 14:28 |
| dimir | It works, it always has been, so why bother? :-P | 14:28 |
| joga | oh, apparently it has, I thought it had been essentially abandoned already | 14:29 |
| dimir | Ah. | 14:29 |
| dimir | Haven't used it for about those 7 years, frankly. :-D | 14:29 |
| joga | dunno why I thought that, maybe because the website lacks any dates | 14:29 |
| dimir | But back in the days, when I was using it a lot, it has always been working for me. | 14:30 |
| joga | yeah no problems there, though I never liked the default kde desktop | 14:30 |
| joga | someone ought to make some debian derivative that by default boots you into a root shell and no X or such unless you specifically say so | 14:31 |
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| joga | for those times when all you want is to run lspci or something on a system :) | 14:32 |
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| dimir | yea | 14:45 |
| dimir | Or edit your disk partition table and fix it. | 14:46 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: pong | 15:48 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, Hello. Read the backscroll. | 15:48 |
| vi_ | <vi_> With the n900 set to 250-600MHz, playing a 27minute .mp4 movie file using mplayer and the screen off and locked.# | 15:49 |
| vi_ | <vi_> <vi_> The N900 uses 5% LESS power with smart reflex enabled. | 15:49 |
| vi_ | <vi_> <vi_> Interestingly, with the 'DSP' profile (250-805MHz, SR on) the n900 used 12% more power than 250-600. | 15:49 |
| vi_ | and 7% more power than 250-600 without SR. | 15:49 |
| vi_ | <vi_> So that seems pretty conclusive to me. | 15:49 |
| vi_ | <vi_> SR DOES save power. | 15:49 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, Please by all means, feel vindicated. | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | vi_: aah, yeah. Though OC to 805 using more power even with SR enabled is not unexpected | 15:50 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, OFC. | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | vi_: also have in mind that SR is device dependent ;) | 15:50 |
| vi_ | However there is now a quantifiable value. | 15:50 |
| vi_ | true. | 15:50 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: is that -thumb? | 15:50 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon, Yes. | 15:50 |
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| freemangordon | do you have non-thumb device? | 15:51 |
| vi_ | I cannot comment on stock maemo. | 15:51 |
| vi_ | ...no. | 15:51 |
| vi_ | I useually go strait to thumb. | 15:51 |
| freemangordon | as IMO -thumb changes the picture a lot | 15:51 |
| vi_ | well, this was using old mplayer. | 15:51 |
| freemangordon | I'd expect larger savings on stock system | 15:52 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, One day, I will get to check it. | 15:52 |
| freemangordon | vi_: my thought is that rest of the system is faster when on thumb, which reduces SR effect compared to stock | 15:52 |
| freemangordon | CPU goes to idle faster on -thumb than on stock | 15:53 |
| vi_ | perhaps. | 15:53 |
| freemangordon | mught b wrong of course, this is just how i feel it | 15:53 |
| vi_ | I so not have any data to dis/agree. | 15:53 |
| vi_ | I do not have any data to dis/agree. | 15:53 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what is the optimal frequency from a "race to idle" point of view | 15:53 | |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: 600? | 15:54 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, I reckon it is 600MHz all along! | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | Intel has always claimed that the fastest possible frequency will always win for power use on their cpus | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | it depends. | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | and they seemed surprised it'd be different for arm | 15:54 |
| vi_ | But power use increase exponentially. | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | if there is a requirement to service lots of interrupts, it may not be true | 15:54 |
| vi_ | there is an android governer that behaves like ondemand upto a freq (600MHz) then like conservative thereafter. | 15:55 |
| vi_ | That would be ideal. | 15:56 |
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| vi_ | freemangordon, You said there was a maemo build script for mplayer? | 15:57 |
| * ShadowJK worked on getting MPlayer built with neon on n900 in 2009? | 15:58 | |
| ShadowJK | But it's most likely not working anymore :) | 15:58 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, FMG did it! | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 16:00 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, FMG built the latest mplayer with neon support. | 16:01 |
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| ShadowJK | ah | 16:01 |
| vi_ | Except it has some issues with window focus and the keyboard. | 16:01 |
| vi_ | I was wondering if the maemo build script might reveal some magic. | 16:02 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc the one in extras has some patches for focus and sound | 16:03 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, That will be it then. | 16:03 |
| vi_ | What would be sweet is a statically compiled hardfp version. | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | thumb would be interesting | 16:04 |
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| vi_ | the one FMG built IS thumb. | 16:04 |
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| vi_ | Thumb, gcc 4.7.2 (linaro), neon. | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | there shouldn't be too much floating point use in mplayer normally | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | unless audio filter chain runs amok | 16:05 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, Really? Video decoding. | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | yes, really. | 16:05 |
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| vi_ | Ok. | 16:05 |
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| ShadowJK | It'd be more common in audio, but afaik the major audio codecs in libav are integer | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: the one i built is upstream october version | 16:06 |
| freemangordon | 2.1 or something | 16:06 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, What packages did you have to import to build it? | 16:06 |
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| freemangordon | nothing | 16:06 |
| vi_ | Just the mplayer source? | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | I mean a simple configure/make | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | yep | 16:07 |
| vi_ | aaah. | 16:07 |
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| freemangordon | well, I ahve a lot of -dev packages instaled, after all this is the same SB I use for CSSU-thumb | 16:07 |
| vi_ | So adding the maemo magic focus patches *should* be trivial. | 16:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Version numbers are pretty meaningless, or were meaningless, I remember they didnt put out a new release for 5 years and had a "SVN is always stable" policy instead | 16:07 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: might be | 16:07 |
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| vi_ | ShadowJK, just like extras-devel! | 16:08 |
| vi_ | freemangordon, mmm. I will look into it. (as best as I can). | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | vi_: the problem is there are no separate debian/patches IIRC | 16:08 |
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| * ShadowJK finds maemo-screenblankprevention.patch | 16:08 | |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, where? | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | on my harddrive | 16:09 |
| vi_ | oh! | 16:09 |
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| vi_ | Did you build the original mplayer? | 16:09 |
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| vi_ | care to send me this patch? | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-n900/02/ | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | iirc I only did some build system hacking? | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | Revision 30080 :) | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | i wonder if that's the one in extras | 16:12 |
| vi_ | 30099 | 16:12 |
| vi_ | ^svn version in devel. | 16:13 |
| vi_ | at least 19 better. | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | 15 of those are fixing indentation | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | (because MPlayer policy doesn't allow mixing "cosmetic" changes with code changes) | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | I also found this http://enivax.net/jk/mplayer-focus-fix.patch.txt | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | But I don't know what it does | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | and looks kinda old | 16:16 |
| freemangordon | BTW I had to do a one line patch to be able to build it for thumb. I found the patch on the mailinglidt, it was no upstreamed by that time | 16:16 |
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| freemangordon | ShadowJK: but seems related to what vi_ reports | 16:17 |
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| ShadowJK | anyway, if you can extract the source used for extras mplayer | 16:18 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm clueless about debian stuff | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | and diff it with a checkout of rev 30099 from MPlayer's svn... | 16:18 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: debian stuff is easy | 16:18 |
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| freemangordon | I mean there is nothing special in mplayer debian/ | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | I mean the process of obtainining sourcecode from extras | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | aah. apt-get source mplayer ;) | 16:20 |
| ShadowJK | would that make my n900 blow up? :) | 16:20 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't have svn there anyway | 16:20 | |
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| XATRIX | ShadowJK, apt-get has a cow power! | 16:38 |
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| fasta | Is there any company which doesn't hire technical support that cannot do technical support? | 16:50 |
| fasta | Or is there a website which lists per company how to talk to people rather than drones? | 16:51 |
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| fasta | I wonder what management was thinking when they put those people there. I can imagine it goes something like "we will just put people there who can take a call, not who can answer a call, since other companies do it just as badly". | 16:53 |
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| Aoyagi | Well, the former support of Electronic Arts was pretty good. | 16:55 |
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| Aoyagi | I can't think of any other large company that would provide sensible support. | 16:56 |
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| rooster_rus | Greetings, guys. I'm trying to rebind BackSpace to Control_R by editing rx-51. No success at all. | 16:58 |
| rooster_rus | Is it possible? Or may be control can't be rebind on n900 keyboard | 17:00 |
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| rooster_rus | Also similar problem with Up, Down keys. I tried to make shift+Up acting like PgUp, but instead it gave me something like ;5C | 17:03 |
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| kerio | rooster_rus: one thing is what the keyboard sends, another is how osso-xterm parses it | 17:44 |
| kerio | try it on the notes program | 17:44 |
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| internetishard | I've this new straighttalk APN proxy... There is no "apn proxy" setting that I can find. Just ones specific for http and https... | 19:03 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i need someone to discourage me from uninstalling HAM | 19:04 |
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| vi_ | kerio, uninstall that shit. | 19:52 |
| vi_ | And report back. | 19:52 |
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| kerio | vi_: k | 19:56 |
| kerio | vi_: nope.jpg | 19:57 |
| kerio | vi_: removing hildon-application-manager brings down everything | 19:57 |
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| kerio | Pali: why the fuck does kernel-power-flasher depend on hildon-application-manager? | 20:11 |
| Pali | kerio, becuase of that dialog which show warning information | 20:11 |
| Pali | kerio, maemo-confirm-text (or similar name) | 20:12 |
| kerio | that's about as sensible as having the battery applet icon depend on mediaplayer-l10n | 20:12 |
| kerio | Pali: same thing for community-ssu-enabler? | 20:13 |
| Pali | that is stupid nokia idea to include general "time" strings into mediaplayer-l10n | 20:13 |
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| Pali | kerio, cssu enabler installing certificate into HAM and using for that HAM tool | 20:13 |
| kerio | oic | 20:13 |
| kerio | ...what the fucking fuck, openttd-data depends on hildon-application-manager | 20:14 |
| kerio | vi_: HAM can't be reasonably uninstalled | 20:16 |
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| vi_ | meh | 20:31 |
| vi_ | It costs nothing to leave it there. | 20:31 |
| vi_ | Next, see about nuking avahi-daemon. | 20:32 |
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| vi_ | thomasvs, FIX YOUR GOD DAMNED IRC CLIENT FFS. | 20:32 |
| kerio | avahi is necessary | 20:32 |
| kerio | for dns | 20:32 |
| vi_ | for what? | 20:32 |
| kerio | and stuff | 20:33 |
| vi_ | wut? | 20:33 |
| vi_ | are you sure? | 20:33 |
| kerio | that's what avahi does | 20:33 |
| vi_ | It is like media discovery or some shit. | 20:33 |
| kerio | no it's not | 20:33 |
| kerio | it's zeroconf | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | isn't avahi for apple's mdns type stuff? | 20:33 |
| kerio | yes | 20:33 |
| kerio | well, it can be used by programs to advertise services on a LAN | 20:34 |
| * vi_ reading the man page. | 20:34 | |
| vi_ | It still looks gay. Delete it. | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | is it the thing that makes random PCs on the lan appear in media player? | 20:34 |
| vi_ | Yes. | 20:35 |
| kerio | :o | 20:35 |
| kerio | on the n900's media player? | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | hate it | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 20:35 |
| kerio | fo srs? | 20:35 |
| * kerio goes to try | 20:35 | |
| vi_ | It also allows you to discovery printers. | 20:35 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK, Isee other media devices all the time in media player. They never work. | 20:35 |
| vi_ | To be fair, it is scripted by if-up and if-down to only be running when you are connected to a network. | 20:36 |
| kerio | where would that list be? | 20:36 |
| vi_ | kerio, It just appears at the bottom of the main screen. | 20:37 |
| vi_ | The main screen lets you choose; music, video, radio, random music. | 20:37 |
| kerio | yes | 20:37 |
| kerio | maybe i disabled it somehow? | 20:38 |
| kerio | or maybe OMP doesn't do that | 20:38 |
| kerio | because i enabled itunes sharing, which should be *the* thing | 20:38 |
| kerio | and i don't see anything | 20:38 |
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| XATRIX | Hi guys, any good contacts manager you can advice me on ? | 21:38 |
| XATRIX | I can't switch to display only skype or only phone contacts... It's all messed up | 21:38 |
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| kerio | contacts are contacts, in maemo | 21:39 |
| kerio | merge your skype contacts with the people they actually represent | 21:39 |
| Sicelo | if you want to see contacts only by their 'protocol' (so to speak) , in the main contact list, tap the title bar, and choose Groups | 21:41 |
| kerio | besides, there's like the group view, iirc you can filter | 21:41 |
| kerio | what Sicelo said | 21:41 |
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| Sicelo | but yeah, i'm not sure it's messed up at all | 21:41 |
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| Sicelo | :) | 21:41 |
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| XATRIX | In groups i have only "Sim card contacts" And Skype | 21:50 |
| XATRIX | How can i differ the contacts in my headset ? | 21:51 |
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| Sicelo | huh? headset? | 21:51 |
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| XATRIX | mobile device | 21:51 |
| Sicelo | oh | 21:51 |
| XATRIX | *handset :) | 21:52 |
| XATRIX | sorry | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | sim card contacts are sim card contacts, heh, and skype contacts are just that | 21:52 |
| Sicelo | :-\ | 21:52 |
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| XATRIX | :) | 21:53 |
| XATRIX | maybe i have to look for another app ? | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | hmm | 21:53 |
| XATRIX | Not a standard one contacts ? | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | up to you | 21:53 |
| Sicelo | but i still don't understand what you find lacking in the stock one | 21:53 |
| XATRIX | I have tons of contacts, and i have many same entries | 21:54 |
| XATRIX | Also, i can't sort , first should me mobile phone contacts, after should be other | 21:55 |
| Sicelo | ok. | 21:56 |
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| markinfo | hallo. can be somehow saved SMS message history? | 22:05 |
| Aoyagi | I thought most phones do that by default. | 22:05 |
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| markinfo | there is only option "delete conversation" | 22:06 |
| Aoyagi | Oh you mean save it somewhere...else. | 22:07 |
| tadzik | backup the database :) | 22:07 |
| markinfo | that one? http://maemo.org/packages/view/glogarchive/ | 22:09 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: basically, just have a look at the database with sqlite | 22:10 |
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| teotwaki | markinfo: you can simply scp it, then have a look at it on your desktop | 22:11 |
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| teotwaki | markinfo: it contains all call info, texts, etc | 22:11 |
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| markinfo | teotwaki, where is this database? | 22:12 |
| kerio | XATRIX: "mobile phone" contacts? | 22:12 |
| XATRIX | yea | 22:12 |
| kerio | also wtf, sorting? | 22:12 |
| kerio | just search | 22:12 |
| kerio | no, it's not a yes/no question | 22:13 |
| kerio | wtf is a "mobile phone" contact | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | err | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | ? | 22:13 |
| XATRIX | I want to be able to show only mobile phone contacts, only skype contacts, alltogether contacts | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | I don't remember | 22:13 |
| teotwaki | anyway, something along those lines | 22:13 |
| kerio | XATRIX: there's no such thing as a "mobile phone" contact | 22:13 |
| XATRIX | =( | 22:13 |
| kerio | a contact is a bunch of landline numbers, cellphone numbers, addresses, URLs, a picture, IM usernames, skype names, SIP numbers | 22:14 |
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| kerio | ideally it matches a single person | 22:14 |
| XATRIX | I'd seriously like to search | 22:14 |
| markinfo | teotwaki, where ist /home/user ? | 22:15 |
| teotwaki | well, /home/user is /home/user. | 22:15 |
| XATRIX | but the problem is that my contact manager is unable to search with cirillyc names | 22:15 |
| teotwaki | No black magic there. | 22:15 |
| kerio | XATRIX: besides, the phone app is where you search for callable-only contacts | 22:15 |
| kerio | XATRIX: can't you just start typing the letter? | 22:15 |
| markinfo | in /media/Nokia N900/ is no directory "home". | 22:16 |
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| kerio | markinfo: the thing exported in usb mass storage is not where you should be looking for | 22:18 |
| XATRIX | can't switch the lang during the search | 22:18 |
| kerio | XATRIX: why? ctrl+space doesn't work? | 22:18 |
| XATRIX | wait | 22:18 |
| XATRIX | what is ctrl ? | 22:19 |
| XATRIX | The top left button ? | 22:19 |
| kerio | yes | 22:19 |
| XATRIX | I have deutsche keyborad :( | 22:19 |
| XATRIX | It works, it tells me Switching lang to Russian | 22:20 |
| XATRIX | But as i press buttons on keyboard it still types latin | 22:20 |
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| XATRIX | on screen keyboard is not accessible in during contacts search | 22:20 |
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| Aoyagi | thomasvs: can you fix yourself plskthx | 22:21 |
| kerio | XATRIX: hm, why not? can't you type space and then tap the search box? | 22:21 |
| XATRIX | I can | 22:21 |
| XATRIX | nothing happens | 22:21 |
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| teotwaki | markinfo: do you have linux on your laptop? | 22:24 |
| teotwaki | well, desktop/laptop--computer | 22:24 |
| markinfo | teotwaki, yes | 22:24 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: on your n900, open xterm, scp .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db mark@bigPC: | 22:25 |
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| teotwaki | markinfo: if you have ubuntu, you can sudo apt-get install sqlitebrowser | 22:26 |
| teotwaki | then open the .db file with that | 22:26 |
| markinfo | that is not problem - but how to download that db file? | 22:27 |
| teotwaki | scp .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db mark@bigPC: | 22:27 |
| teotwaki | using xterminal, on the n900 | 22:27 |
| teotwaki | are you even reading what i'm telling you to do? | 22:27 |
| tadzik | if you copy it to MyDocs it will appear when you use the usb mass storage | 22:27 |
| tadzik | if the concept of sqlite is unfamiliar, I don't think scp foo bar will be | 22:27 |
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| XATRIX | How can i check my proximity sensor ? | 22:30 |
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| tadzik | playing neverball :D | 22:32 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: then you can get your texts in the form of: select start_time, remote_uid, outgoing, free_text from Events where event_type_id = 7; | 22:33 |
| teotwaki | or select start_time, remote_uid, outgoing, free_text from Events join EventTypes on event_type_id = EventTypes.id where EventTypes.name = 'RTCOM_EL_EVENTTYPE_SMS_MESSAGE' order by start_time; | 22:38 |
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| markinfo | teotwaki, i have copied it to MyDocs ... but where is upon mounten on PC that directory? | 22:41 |
| teotwaki | markinfo: sorry, I don't have time to baby-step you through this. tadzik might want to, though. | 22:42 |
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| markinfo | in terminal on n900 i can see only a few files in home directory - upon mounten - it seems that it is some other directory. | 22:44 |
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| tadzik | are you looking with ls -a | 22:44 |
| tadzik | ? | 22:44 |
| markinfo | yes - there is no problem in terminal on n900 - but USB mass storage shows some other things | 22:46 |
| tadzik | define: other things | 22:48 |
| markinfo | e.g. DCIM directory is empty in terminal - but with USB storage is full of photos | 22:48 |
| tadzik | that's correct | 22:48 |
| tadzik | when you're mounted as mass storage MyDocs contents are unavailable | 22:48 |
| tadzik | it can't be visible in two places at the same time | 22:48 |
| tadzik | eject it first, copy files, verify, plug it back in | 22:48 |
| markinfo | well - now it works. | 22:49 |
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| markinfo | database is 5MB | 22:50 |
| tadzik | may be | 22:52 |
| markinfo | 2 Years of using. | 22:53 |
| markinfo | and now convert it to android. | 22:54 |
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| XATRIX | How can i save dump of my filesystem ? | 23:16 |
| tadzik | with bootmenu for example | 23:16 |
| XATRIX | If i do the crap, i will simple reflash it with my dump | 23:16 |
| XATRIX | Instead of reflash+reinstall apps one by one | 23:17 |
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| markinfo | HM - what is with the maemo system - is this dead definitely? I am switching to android because n900 is to slow - but do not miss some functionality. | 23:20 |
| * XATRIX hates android | 23:21 | |
| markinfo | is there some choice except of windows mobile? and iphone? | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jollamobile | 23:22 |
| kerio | XATRIX: install backupmenu and use it | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | but they have not released hardware | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | windows mobile, iPhone, blackberry, android are about it. | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | from a market perspective | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | symbian is holding onto some sales. | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | but in most markets I suspect sybian outsells them. | 23:24 |
| markinfo | why they have to release hardware? Linux is also running on many systems. | 23:24 |
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| markinfo | is it not possible to take some existing devices? Like Cyanogenmod is taking different phones. | 23:25 |
| Lava_Croft | if im correct, its mostly about hardware drivers | 23:25 |
| Lava_Croft | those usually aren't free and certainly not open | 23:26 |
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| markinfo | and how they do that here? http://www.cyanogenmod.org/devices | 23:27 |
| Lava_Croft | All of those devices most likely already have working drivers since they were shipped with Android | 23:28 |
| markinfo | they are taking closed binary drivers? | 23:28 |
| Lava_Croft | what else? | 23:29 |
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| kerio | markinfo: embedded systems don't have a common standard to make the hardware work | 23:30 |
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| markinfo | is it so hard to ask chinese to do some simpler smartphone - they are producing mass of such phones. | 23:31 |
| markinfo | tons of cheap smartphones http://www.ipmart.com/main/index.php | 23:33 |
| markinfo | some of them are looking nice | 23:33 |
| markinfo | for example http://www.ipmart.com/main/product/Star,N9776,Dual,Core,MTK6577,Cortex,A9,Quad,Band,Dual,Cards,Dual,Standby,Dual,Cameras,WIFI,GPS,Bluetooth,Android,4,0,9,6,inch,Capacitive,Touch,Screen,3G,Smart,Phone,356248.php?prod=356248 | 23:34 |
| markinfo | 190$ Dual Core Cortex-A9 512MB/RAM | 23:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | I do wonder is you can buy 10000 nexus 4s for a discount | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | It seems like you can't buy nexus 4 at all atm | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can buy it in the UK | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 5-7 weeks though | 23:40 |
| Lava_Croft | My younger brother got that latest HTC Windows Phone 8 thing | 23:40 |
| Lava_Croft | the 8 X orso | 23:40 |
| Lava_Croft | The a top tier device, but if you shake it, you hear the buttons rattle | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | sigh | 23:41 |
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| XATRIX | I've setup a email account, how can i make all the message to be read... ? | 23:53 |
| XATRIX | I have 208 unread mail | 23:53 |
| XATRIX | But actually it's already read | 23:53 |
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| XATRIX | Or how to delete all the messages at once ? | 23:58 |
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| XATRIX | I have to click one by one to select messages to delete..it's not good | 23:58 |
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