IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-12-03

pcfekerio: nope, bip00:00
NeutrinoPowerW: GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954600:00
FIQNeutrinoPower: ignore that00:01
NeutrinoPowerwhat is the error?
NeutrinoPower luxus: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.7.0) but 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed00:05
FIQthat error doesn't make any sense for me00:05
NeutrinoPowerhow do apt-get ignore this ? for pacman I would use "-d"00:08
NeutrinoPowerwhat is luxus?00:08
NeutrinoPowerah, light meter00:09
NeutrinoPowerbut I want this00:09
CorsacFIQ: 4.7.0~git is lower than 4.7.000:10
FIQluxus - Light meter homescreen widget for the N900, can display lux and EV values00:10
FIQCorsac: how?00:10
Corsacbecause ~ is a special char?00:10
NeutrinoPowerkerio: there is no tmux
NeutrinoPowerkerio: "Edit repository", Distirbution: fremantle; Components: free non-free00:14
infobotsomebody said pkg was
FIQ[23:12:26] <NeutrinoPower> kerio: there is no tmux
FIQi just installed it00:18
FIQas kerio said it was there :p00:18
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NeutrinoPower"Couldn't find package tmux"00:19
FIQ[23:16:47] <kerio>
Paliwhen will be maemo wifi working??00:21
infobotPali meant: when will be maemo wiki working??00:21
FIQNeutrinoPower: well I suppose you haven't enabled devel00:22
NeutrinoPowersure I enabled it and installed qalculate00:22
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NeutrinoPowerdo someone use the kernel-BFS ? is the Brain-Fuck-Scheduler usefull?00:39
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kerioNeutrinoPower: nope00:45
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NeutrinoPowerqalculate-gtk don't fit on N900 screen00:59
wmarone_well, it is rather small...01:02
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kwtm7remind me -- what do I do if the ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db  database fills up, so that response is really sluggish?  (I tried deleting it, thinking the system would just regenerate it, but put it back after 24 hours of malfunctioning horror)07:03
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Ken-Youngkwtm7, WHat events get logged to that database?07:20
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kwtm7Ken-Young: mainly phone calls and SMS07:35
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DocScrutinizer05kwtm7: it's not exactly about deleting that db09:06
DocScrutinizer05but I think with sqlite3 frontend deleting all records should be simple09:07
DocScrutinizer05google is your friend09:07
DocScrutinizer05kwtm7: another method might be to select "delete conversations" from conversations pulldown menu, then select *all* conversations with ctrl-A from kbd, and click "delete"09:15
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DocScrutinizer05alas same procedure doesn't work for call history09:16
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DocScrutinizer05>>If the WHERE clause is not present, all records in the table are deleted<<09:20
DocScrutinizer05in any case, CREATE A BACKUP of ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db !09:21
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DocScrutinizer05fool's solution ;-): sqlite3 ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-backup .dump|grep CREATE|sqlite3 ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db09:32
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deepyCan I make my N900 stop beeping at night just because the battery is low?11:21
deepyI think I jumped up through the roof at 2AM11:21
tadzikwow, it beeps on low battery? That's news to me11:21
deepyAnd the feelings of guilt from charging my almost full cell instead of the almost empty one didn't subside for at least an hour11:21
deepyIt doesn't beep on low battery?11:22
DocScrutinizer05hildon foundation11:25
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DocScrutinizer05tadzik: deepy: sure it makes weird sounds on low battery11:26
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DocScrutinizer05play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-battery_low.wav11:28
DocScrutinizer05and, **special**: play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-recharge_battery.wav11:29
DocScrutinizer05deepy: ((Can I make my N900 stop beeping...) sure! power it down, or charge it ;-D11:30
* tadzik whispers: "or remove the wav file!" and hides11:31
DocScrutinizer05well, that's a possibility to just stop the empty-bat warning11:31
DocScrutinizer05the more genuine and sane way though would be to set system-sounds to 0 in settings11:32
DocScrutinizer05will affect all system sounds11:32
DocScrutinizer05(like charging notification, connection-established notification...)11:33
DocScrutinizer05cd /usr/share/sounds/; for f in ui-charging_started.wav ui-connection_lost.wav presence-offline.wav presence-online.wav; do play-sound $f; sleep 1;done;11:38
deepyI'll lower the system sounds then11:39
DocScrutinizer05play-sound is unrelated to systemsounds volume!11:39
DocScrutinizer05just in case you might've pondered to check volume with the line I pasted above11:40
DocScrutinizer05for f in /usr/share/sounds/*.wav; do play-sound $f; sleep 1;done;11:41
deepyOh I don't have my N900 with me11:41
DocScrutinizer05is funny though11:41
deepyIt's at home11:41
tadzikstationary phone? :)11:42
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DocScrutinizer05and the diagnostic output is hilarious11:44
DocScrutinizer05ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success11:44
DocScrutinizer05callback called, error 'Success'11:44
deepyWell, I need to have 3G to even get a signal with Meteor :p11:45
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Palideepy, open control panel, then profile settings and set system sounds to 0 or off11:55
Palibattery low volume level is stored in profiled daemon settings11:55
Paliin some system sound key11:55
PaliI'm using Timed Silencer application where can be configured switching to silent profile at night11:57
Pali(it using alarmd for executing commands)11:57
deepyCheers, but Doc beat you to it :-P11:57
PaliDocScrutinizer05, ^^^^ another good feature of alarmd :D11:57
deepyWell, the first line, the rest was interesting on it's own though11:57
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dimirHello there!12:04
DocScrutinizer05I prefer alarmed for that12:04
DocScrutinizer05sounds more universal purpose than Timed Silencer application12:04
dimirQuick question. I was wondering how easy it is to change the n900 motherboard by myself. I'm not an expert in these things but was wondering should I trust this operation to the specialist or it's safe to do that at home?12:05
dimirThe thing is, on my n900 the GSM-module died. I have found the guy that has broken display on his n900 and willing to sell it cheap. I need to make sure his motherboard is fine before buying it.12:05
DocScrutinizer05swap is simple12:06
dimirYou mean swapping the motherboard?12:06
DocScrutinizer05making sure that this mainboard is OK is a tad more demanding task12:07
dimirIs there something you could recommend?12:07
dimirWhat would you do?12:07
dimirHe is selling his n900 for 40$ USD.12:08
DocScrutinizer05get the board, swap, see if everything ok12:08
dimirHow much time would it take?12:08
dimirI wouldn't want to hold the seller for an hour. :-D12:08
DocScrutinizer05you might be able to swap screen half in 20 min12:09
dimirAlright, I'll give him a call and find out if his display shows at least something.12:09
DocScrutinizer05depending on luck and experience12:09
dimirExperience is almost 0.12:09
DocScrutinizer05separating kbd and screen half takes ~5 min12:09
DocScrutinizer05but plugging in the flex cable connector again may cost you your last hair12:10
DocScrutinizer05or might as well be a matter of 20s12:10
DocScrutinizer05I'd get a screen-broken N900 for 40 bucks any time12:11
DocScrutinizer05for 30 for sure12:11
dimirHeh, hes device has no display at all. :-D12:12
DocScrutinizer05only with working USB though12:12
dimirSo in general I could take the risk.12:12
chem|stdimir: you can check if everything is working by attaching it to a tv for example12:13
DocScrutinizer05ooh, even better. that might mean the screen / display is OK and only main flex connector is defect12:13
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: doesn't work with FPC defect12:13
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me why12:13
dimirWell, he said he sat on it and the display glass broke. So he took it apart.12:13
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: darn that worked with the broken N912:13
dimirI don't know what does it mean exactly.12:14
DocScrutinizer05but you should see proper ENUM in syslog when pluggin in to PC's USB12:14
dimirSo, in general, swapping the MB is less risk, right?12:14
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* so maybe it's not really worth 40 bucks12:14
dimirDo I need some special screwdriver for that or anything?12:14
dimirIs there a howto for that?12:14
dimirI guess there is on youtube.12:15
DocScrutinizer05yes, yes12:15
DocScrutinizer05well, possibly12:15
chem|stP0 and T5 iirc12:15
DocScrutinizer05and Ph012:15
chem|stoh 6 it was...12:15
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dimir n900 disassembly12:16
chem|stin long Philips0 and Torx612:16
DocScrutinizer05MEH ->40412:16
DocScrutinizer05google for N900 L1_L212:17
dimirPH0 and T6 says in the video.12:17
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DocScrutinizer05forget all those videos, they often are missleading12:18
dimirOK. Well, thanks a lot for the info. I think I'll first practice a bit at home and then when I meet the guy I do the swap quicker.12:19
DocScrutinizer05ouch, the tehkseven vid12:19
dimirWhich one?12:19
DocScrutinizer05same as my dead link, but it's no good video12:19
DocScrutinizer05get service manual L1_L212:20
dimirIt's no good?12:20
DocScrutinizer05nope, it neglects some important details12:20
DocScrutinizer05and it does nonsense12:21
dimirI got the manual, thanks.12:21
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DocScrutinizer05nonsense: removing the "I'm not sure what's that" GSM antenna. Neglect: "please be careful with that one"12:21
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DocScrutinizer05you probably don't want to disassemble the screen assembly half at all12:23
DocScrutinizer05just *carefully* unplug the flat plastic connector ribbon from mainboard, and swap screen completely12:25
DocScrutinizer05don't bend or pull the flat plastic connector12:26
DocScrutinizer05they call it main flex connector iirc12:26
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, when that guy planted his fat back on the screen so it cracked, then disassembled it and wrecked it some more, it's questionable if that device is still worth 40 bucks12:28
DocScrutinizer05at very least connect his device to a linux PC and check PC's syslog12:29
DocScrutinizer05so you can be sure the board is semi-alive at least12:29
DocScrutinizer05incl USB12:29
dimirAh, good idea. I'll take my notebook with me.12:30
DocScrutinizer05and a charged BL-5C12:31
dimirWell, what wonders me, he said the device works properly, I wonder how did he conclude that.12:31
dimirDocScrutinizer05: the battery?12:31
DocScrutinizer05odds are his battery is depleted and without battery it won't really boot12:31
DocScrutinizer05put a mark on yours, so you don't swap it12:32
DocScrutinizer05dimir: German?12:33
DocScrutinizer05prolly not12:33
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DocScrutinizer05BL-5J, sorry12:36
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dimirDocScrutinizer05: me? No. :-D12:46
dimirDocScrutinizer05: Thanks for a hint on mirking my MB. He promised to try to connect his phone to a PC to see if it works. He said after the accident he has put it back to the box where it's been for 1 year.12:46
DocScrutinizer05I meant your battery though ;-)12:48
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DocScrutinizer05actually mainboard defects might easily be caused by too much mechanical stress, like someone sitting on the device12:49
DocScrutinizer05it seems that often the soldering balls of BGA chips disconnect, probably caused (among others) by bending the PCB while chips can't be bent12:51
DocScrutinizer05anyway, good luck!12:53
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Skryyeah, madness13:15
Aoyagi_joytopThe top comment is nice.13:16
Aoyagi_joytop"I think Nikola Tesla may have a few things to say on applying power at a distance wirelessly.."13:16
SkryYup :D I read somewhere that some parties are already negotiating about possibility of patenting (human) genes, in simple terms.13:18
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Aoyagi_joytopSure, let's patent breathing :D13:20
Skryit's coming.. :)13:23
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ShadowJKthere are already gene patents I think?13:52
chem|stwasn't it tesla who said it is no problem to power a town OTA?13:57
HurrianLet's patent a "method of filing exclusive rights by a recognized authority, to concepts pertaining to machines and methods", and torpedo every patent holder in existence.13:59
chem|stHurrian: patent education and sue 1 year old children's parents!14:01
chem|stthat would at least lead to an end!14:02
chem|stI am fed with all those "The first foobar ever" commercials by apple...14:03
Hurrian"A method of absorption of information from sources recognized by an apparatus, which by mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic or analogous means classifies and relates the information obtained into a database"14:04
Hurrianoh man, that's loaded with so much buzzwords the patent office has to accept that14:04
jon_yWireless Charging? Will there be a backlash like wifi? :)14:04
jon_ysurely it is higher power than wifi14:05
jon_yspread the word, Apple causes cancer! :)14:05
Aoyagi_joytopIt's not really related, me thinks.14:05
chem|stjon_y: 2 different things14:05
jon_ywell, people think EM causes cancer14:05
Aoyagi_joytopPeople are idiots, end of story.14:05
jon_yright, so I was wondering if the same idiots will make noise14:06
Aoyagi_joytopNoise is all they can do as we have superior technology :P14:06
jon_yalso, cellphone emission cancer14:06
chem|stHurrian: ouh in saudi arabia you get stonewalled for that14:06
jon_ycancer everything :)14:07
Hurrianit's inevitable - someone even called RFID tags the mark of the devil, iirc.14:07
Aoyagi_joytop"If you like, put an egg on your cellphone, it like, totally cooks the egg"14:07
Hurriannot to say that tracking isn't bad, but the dude literally said it was the mark of the devil, see the bible.14:07
jon_yI am a very model of an infrared range radioactive source14:07
jon_ysurely I cause cancer by being in the same room :)14:08
Aoyagi_joytopand actually14:08
Aoyagi_joytopshe said "I feel it's the implementation of the Mark of the Beast"14:08
Hurrianjon_y, so, if you're a cancer causing IR source, what isn't?14:08
jon_yI was just wodering how they'd freak out :)14:08
Aoyagi_joytopOh and I thought this was a different channel :D14:08
chem|styou are definetely a source... of what kind is to be determined14:08
chem|stwell back to charging OTA14:09
chem|sthas s/o tried to reassamble a wireless charger to a n900's backpanel?14:10
* ShadowJK finds it amusing that 666 is a mistranslation14:10
chem|stShadowJK: so what...14:11
Aoyagi_joytopMost of the bible things are.14:11
jon_yaww, Jewish numerology14:11
ShadowJKYou'd think since it's like almost only exact figure in the whole book people would've paid more attention to get it right14:11
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Aoyagi_joytopThey are Catholics, they don't question. They accept.14:14
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kolpchem|st: I just got myself 2 spare palm pre backcover sto take apart and put into the n900 to use with my touchstone charger14:16
chem|stkolp: pictures?!14:17
chem|stkolp: keep the community posted14:17
kolpIt's not done yet. :) There's an old thread on TMO where someone achieved that14:17
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ping16:15
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cehtehmy n900 loosing wlan connection and cant reconnect until i reboot it since some time, anyone of you heared of this issue?16:18
cehtehgoing out of range, switching to wwan .. coming back and it wont reconnnect16:20
r00t|homenever had such problems...16:34
r00t|homedoes it just not scan for wlans/try to connect?16:34
r00t|homeor does it try and fails?16:34
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teotwakiSo, massive fail.16:35
teotwakiI developed a new function on one of our products, testing it quickly, build an rpm, send it to the test environment, play with it. Small problems, fine tune it... aaaaand, stuck. Bug. Regression. No data is detected anymore, parsing errors everywhere.16:36
teotwakiMy direct co-worker starts looking with me, we find a quick helper function that always returns 1, for some reason, so we add a breakpoint in that function, test it, breakpoint doesn't get triggered. Ok, wanna play? I add a delete (char *) 0x12345678; compile, test again, no coredump.16:37
teotwakiOk, wait, what?16:37
teotwakiI check the gcc/clang version, maybe some newfangled noob error handling that prevents you from coredumping by your own accord, I decide to simply to a cout to see what the values are, disregarding the logging system. Nothing.16:37
teotwakiTurns out, we were adding code *after* the return line.16:38
teotwakiSo, that's all nice, we now see the values, but they still don't add up. How can 84 - 16 = 1?16:38
teotwakiTurns out I wrote "bool", instead of unsigned long int.16:38
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dimir[12:53] <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, good luck! <- Thanks! :-)16:38
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, pong?17:05
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vi_I have found a novel way of keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeder.17:06
vi_I have covered the pole in goosefat.17:07
vi_Now they jump on and try to climb but slide down.17:07
GeneralAntillesFriend of mine tried a bunch of stuff for his hanging feeder17:07
vi_But now I have greasy squirrels :/17:07
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GeneralAntillesfinally settled on buying the cheap stuff in bulk from CostCo and putting that on the ground.17:08
GeneralAntillesand giving the quality seed to the birds.17:08
vi_try mixing in chilli seeds.17:08
vi_the birds DGAF.17:08
GeneralAntillesvi_, you should hire an oil spill recovery team to clean up your squirrels.17:08
vi_the squirrels shit themselves.17:08
jaskaheh, squirrels will hang upside down to get to the seeeeed17:09
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vi_uk dvla.  utter SCUM.17:32
int_uaHi. I have four hildon-desktop core dumps in a row. CSSU Tmaemo6. Where should I send them? Leaving in 5 minutes17:34
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vi____who wants to help a gnoob compile some code?18:17
vi____That is me by the way.18:17
vi____who was the guy here who suggested the use of codeblocks as a C IDE?18:20
kolpvi____: Might have been me18:21
vi____aah, yes!18:21
kolpDepending on what your impression is ;)18:21
vi____You have jsut volunteered yourself!18:21
vi____^how do I compile that?18:21
vi____I see I need to get the magickwand library, however I am not sure where I have to put it.18:22
vi____I am using debian BTW.18:22
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kolpYour using c::b on debian?18:22
vi____Is that...bad?18:22
vi____Aoyagi, yes...18:23
kolpI guess not. I've never used an IDE on linux for writing code18:23
vi____kolp.  aah.18:23
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kolpWell, you can put that lib wherever you want18:24
kolpI guess it would be easiest to install the -dev package18:24
Aoyagivi____: I was correcting kolp, sorry, reflex.18:25
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kolpAoyagi: Thanks, just a typo, I know the rules ;)18:26
AoyagiWell, no problem, I can get annoying with that and eventually even banned :D18:26
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kolpvi____: Btw, are you trying to cross-compile for maemo?18:28
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vi____kolp, no.  I have SB for that.18:32
vi____I am trying to write a firmware patching utility.18:32
vi____i.e. a program that will load a firmware file and replace a certain number of bytes starting at a particular offset.18:33
vi____If you know of any example code you could point me too, I would be very grateful.18:33
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kolpShouldn't be too difficult. You'd just mmap that file and modify those bytes18:37
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kolpUsed for memory-mapped I/O. I.e. you don't read the whole file into memory but just the chunk you want to access18:45
kolpvi____: Check man mmap18:45
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vi____fuck C::B18:56
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vi____fucking piece of fucking shit.18:56
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vi____I will compile it myself.18:57
vi____From sh.18:57
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r00t|homevi____: xxd or dd or such can easiy be used for patching18:59
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juozapashi how to disable turning control? after last cssu upgrade it's total mess19:15
juozapasorientation lock doesnt help19:15
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niklaushello everyone.20:06
niklausI got a problem: I changed the device lock code on My Nokia N9 and forgot it. That's a bit of a problem! though! I still have SSH access to the device (via the developer account) and can gain root access. Does anyone know how I can reset/disable the device lock from ssh?20:08
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kerioniklaus: you'll probably find more help in #harmattan20:09
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niklauskerio: thx20:12
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ufahello :)20:18
ufaI am trying to flahs my n900. but the nokia image page does not seem to work :(20:19
ufadoes anyone knows an alternative location?20:19
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ufaI am trying to download the flasher too, but not working too20:20
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r00t|homeufa: the licensing of the nokia images not allow redistribution20:25
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FIQcan I somehow avoid the "hey, you clock is reset, go fix it NAO"-screen?21:16
FIQif my clock is reset, I'll see that as soon as I startup anyway21:16
FIQand I really don't like that screen, it just wastes my time with useless junk (at least that's how I see on it :D)21:16
FIQi believe this thing is called "hildon-welcome"21:17
FIQmight be wrong on that though21:17
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vi____FIQ, it is called osso-startup-wizard21:19
FIQoh ok21:20
vi____FIQ, You can apt-get purge it21:20
FIQbut well...21:20
vi____but well what.21:20
FIQ...will my device boot fine afterwards? :P21:20
vi____Depends how you have made your device!21:20
FIQI'd rather not TIAS then21:20
vi____I have removed it from my device.21:20
FIQoh, and it worked fine?21:21
FIQeven on an instance in which it's called (normally)?21:21
vi____You have to set the clock by hand though.21:21
FIQyeah ofc21:21
FIQ(not that I would need to do that anyway, it doesn't do it for me)21:21
vi____It works for me.21:21
FIQi'll make a BM backup just in case21:22
vi____There was some discussion yesterday as to the best ways to replace it.21:22
FIQi need to do it anyway, was long time ago last time21:22
vi____I use a zenity dialogue that lets me type in the time/date like: MMDDhhmmYY21:22
FIQoh another stupidity with this thing21:22
vi____r00t|home made a rather nice event.d script that used nptime server.21:23
FIQit lags horribly when setting time/date21:23
FIQunlike when you do it from the settings menu (why is there 2 different ones anyway??)21:23
vi____FIQ, Because the osso-startup-wizard is a standalone program that has to run in a raw matchbox session.21:24
vi____Where as the settings menu one is a settings menu plugin.21:24
FIQI guess I can live with that explanation21:24
r00t|home<r00t|home> vi____: xxd or dd or such can easiy be used for patching21:25
vi____I need to write a standalone C program.21:25
r00t|home<r00t|home> wget
r00t|home<r00t|home> vi_:
r00t|home<kerio> ohoho, busybox-power has ntpd21:26
r00t|home<kerio> r00t|home: ntpd -dnq -p pool.ntp.org21:26
vi____FIQ, ^that beauty right there.21:26
FIQi'm quite happy with the answer to my question, was expecting it to be too tightly bound to the system and render it unbootable if I simply removed it21:26
r00t|homemany improvements have been suggested already21:26
FIQvi_: i'll look into it21:27
vi____well screendump the stuff r00t just pasted.21:27
kerioFIQ: if removing it makes the system unbootable, then it's a bug21:27
keriobecause it's not depended upon by stuff21:27
FIQkerio: ok :P21:27
FIQwell I did a BM backup anyway21:27
FIQ(i need to do it anyway, was too long ago last time)21:27
r00t|homekerio: DocScrutinizer does NOT agree with such an interpretation21:28
FIQso let's see21:28
kerioDocScrutinizer is a grumpy old man21:29
r00t|homekerio: he pointed out before that running 'apt-get autoremove' will make your system unbootable21:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: :321:29
FIQi do this bm backup, boot maemo, remove this POS, install that deb, then do what exactly with the pasted configuration file?21:29
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kerior00t|home: it won't, actually21:29
keriocssu fixed that21:29
FIQi've actually done that21:29
FIQw/o an unbootable system21:29
r00t|homeFIQ: the file goes in /etc/event.d/ntpdate21:29
FIQhowever I heard it broke SIP21:29
FIQ...which I don't use21:29
kerioFIQ: it used to break SIP21:29
r00t|homeFIQ: ah, yes, that21:29
FIQso essentially it affected me zero21:30
kerioCSSU now "manually installs" the things in the metapackage21:30
FIQeven though it probably broke SIP for me21:30
kerioof course when you remove them, you remove them21:30
vi____FIQ, you know linux right?21:30
kerioFIQ: it didn't, if you installed cssu beforehand21:30
kerioFIQ: use ntpd from busybox-power, it's easier21:30
FIQvi_: i'm confident with linux yes21:30
FIQkerio: hmm ok21:30
vi____aah. then you will be fine!21:30
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keriohell, just install an event file for ntpd21:31
kerioit'll fix the time once you connect to the internet21:31
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ufaI am trying to flash my n900. but the nokia download page does not seem to work :(21:31
FIQkerio: well, I'll most likely set the time manually on boot if i've no internet access :P21:32
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FIQas I don't like n900 showing weird time21:32
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FIQ(not that manually will set it right on second, but in that case, +/-5min is better than +/-5h21:32
kerioFIQ: i just don't see how it's slower to set it from the worldclock21:32
kerioor from xterm21:33
vi____or put a zenity dialogue in xsession.post21:33
FIQthere we go, bm done21:33
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keriovi____: why?21:34
keriothe system is booted at that point, every damage done by the date has been done already21:34
vi____kerio, not the damage to my face.21:35
vi____where I see it is 00:0021:35
FIQthe purge was semi-successful21:36
FIQit didn't purge properly, as it failed to remove /var/lib/osso-startup-wizard/21:36
DocScrutinizer05purge is nonsense21:36
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DocScrutinizer05you don't need to purge the packages to fix the initscript21:37
FIQshould be safe to just remove the directory I guess21:37
DocScrutinizer05neither is it warranted that purging will fix the initscript for you21:37
FIQ(and the file within)21:37
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vi____FIQ, alternativley you could just comment out the starting of the osso-startup-wizard in the Xsession.d scripts.21:39
FIQoh you say that now... :p21:39
FIQi've already removed it21:39
FIQbut well, as that line would just throw an error, I guess I can comment it out anyway21:39
vi____It makes no difference.21:39
FIQso let's see here21:40
vi____what line?21:40
FIQosso-startup-wizard removed, now to install busybox-power21:41
FIQand make ntpd autostart with the pasted script21:42
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FIQ hm21:43
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kerioFIQ: we need some testing though21:45
kerioboot with the time set to 2000 01 01 00 00 and then start busybox's ntpd21:45
FIQdoes busybox-power need a reboot..?21:45
keriosee if the time is eventually fixed21:45
kerioFIQ: no21:45
FIQwell I started a new shell and it still reported old (vanilla) version of busybox21:45
FIQi'll see if I did something wrong21:46
FIQah, guess I misread the startup text.. w/e21:47
kerioare you sure there wasn't a -power? :)21:47
vi____does anyone know of a irc room that is for C coding enthusiasts?21:47
kerio##c maybe21:48
FIQhowever there seems to be no ntpd..21:48
vi____Cannot join ##c (You are banned).21:48
FIQ"ntpd: not found.", and "help" (I don't use busybox normally but I think it echoes every known busybox command) doesn't mention it21:49
FIQvi_: grats21:49
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FIQerrr nvm I'm tired21:50
FIQbusybox simply refused to give meaningful errors, that's all21:50
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FIQ in /etc/event.d/ntpd is what I want, right?21:52
FIQdid small modification to the pastebinned script earlier as it mentioned ntpdate instead of simply ntpd21:52
FIQ@ vi_21:53
kerioFIQ: ntpd is in sbin21:53
kerioFIQ: first, always specify full paths21:53
FIQwell, the previous script didn't, but ok :)21:54
keriothe previous script didn't use stuff in /usr/sbin i think21:54
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kerioFIQ: use quotes around your tests21:54
kerioFIQ: also easier, start ntpd on started hal or something like that as a daemon21:55
kerio(tell it to not daemonize ofc)21:55
kerioi mean, it's the network time protocol daemon21:56
keriotest if it actually adjusts the time, though21:57
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FIQbtw vi____: *__*!*@* <-- is the reason for your ban21:59
vi____I do not get it??21:59
FIQ@ ##c21:59
vi____I cannot help it if people keep stealing my nick21:59
FIQwell, just saying21:59
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FIQkerio: sorry, but I don't follow "started hal" (mostly because I don't know what you mean with hal)22:00
DocScrutinizer05((<FIQ> oh you say that now... :p)) I said it a few minutes before22:00
FIQDocScrutinizer05: guess I missed it22:00
DocScrutinizer05vi_: it's your e-peen22:02
DocScrutinizer05regex for +b22:02
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OxFFFFDocScrutinizer05, I am over here 0/22:03
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: lrn2nickserv22:04
OxFFFFwhat is the C equivalent of fscanf?22:04
DocScrutinizer05there's a nice useful command called GHOST22:04
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tadzikOxFFFF: uh, fscanf(3)?22:05
DocScrutinizer05/msg nickserv id vi_ <password>; /msg nickserv ghost vi_; /nick vi_22:06
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FIQso what exactly does maemo do if you set it in y2k38-wrapping time22:06
FIQI suppose it.. wrap22:06
FIQbut would be interesting to see how hildon stuff reacted to it22:06
OxFFFFy2k bug!22:06
OxFFFFEquinox fail!22:07
FIQy2k38 is an actual issue though, unlike y2k22:07
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FIQwhich mainly failed visibly22:07
FIQand some minor fails here and there due to people insisting on storing it in a 2-digit number22:07
FIQstoring years in 2-digit when you're at the end of a millenium isn't really long-term huh22:08
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FIQwhile I do have a ntpd running now that I started phone, it seems to not do much22:10
r00t|home(which is why i prefer ntpdate ;) )22:10
FIQis there any actual differences?22:11
r00t|homeFIQ: note that the menubar clock widget will NOT immediately update when the time is set22:11
FIQapart from possibly command-line options and such22:11
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: ntpd has a guard window, which disables time adjusts of >60s or sth22:11
FIQDocScrutinizer05: yeah I know about this one22:11
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: kerio already checked that that is not the case with busybox22:12
FIQ(i think it's bigger than this though)22:12
OxFFFFFIQ, clock will only update after you un/lock the screen/wait 30s.22:12
FIQwell I've waited 3min now :P22:12
OxFFFFthen  is has failed!22:12
FIQand it ticks nicely on 00:0x22:12
FIQbut ntpd appears in ps list..22:12
kerioFIQ: ok, stop ntpd and restart it22:12
FIQso it's definitely started22:12
FIQkerio: i'll try22:12
kerioit did work for me, i swear! :(22:12
kerioto be fair i only checked for a handful of hours of offset22:13
kerioperhaps 12 years is too much22:13
FIQi changed in gui22:13
FIQso i could only offset it 3 years :(22:13
kerioFIQ: change it with date, then restart ntpd22:13
FIQi'll try to start ntpd from commandline w/o changing with date first22:14
FIQto prevent ambiguos error reasons22:14
keriono, change the date and then start ntpd22:14
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: uhuh22:17
FIQkerio: ntpd only supports -dSs22:18
kerioFIQ: are you sure you don't have openntpd installed?22:18
FIQ"usage: ntpd [-dSs] [-f file]22:18
FIQkerio: maaaaybe22:18
keriothat's why i specified "ntpd from busybox-power"22:18
keriook actually i didn't specify it now22:18
FIQyeah i know22:18
FIQi just forgot that I also had openntpd22:19
kerioFIQ: btw you have to reinstall busybox-power after removing openntpd22:19
kerioit's the easiest way to recreate all the possible symlinks22:19
FIQbecause they both have /usr/sbin/ntpd..22:19
FIQshouldn't they conflict?22:19
keriobusybox-power creates its symlinks in postinst, if they don't exist already22:20
FIQ(the packages, that is)22:20
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kerioand it removes the symlinks in prerm, only if they are symlinks to busybox22:20
kerioFIQ: nope, busybox-power will never overwrite installed stuff22:20
kerioand i think that dpkg will just silently remove the symlink and install its files22:21
FIQit just let other stuff take priority22:21
FIQI suppose?22:21
DocScrutinizer05get ntpdate, add `sleep 30; ntpdate && hwclock --systohc` zo ifup22:21
FIQkerio: now I got actual usage info22:21
FIQlet's try to just reboot phone22:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ntpd -dnq -p && hwclock --systohc22:21
FIQto see if ntpd does stuff right this time22:21
kerioFIQ: how are you resetting the clock, btw?22:22
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FIQyou mean normally?22:22
OxFFFFI liked kerio solution, put the line in ifup.post22:22
FIQi switch batteries22:22
kerioheh, silly people with a non-working backup battery22:22
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FIQreboot time22:23
r00t|homekerio: silly nokia installing backup batteries that die that early22:23
FIQkerio: I switch batteries as fast as possible22:24
FIQhaving the other one ready in <1s22:24
FIQsometimes I don't get reset clock22:24
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: silly hitachi that bulds such crap22:24
FIQif I'm lucky...22:24
kerioFIQ: on my old n900, i used to just lift the old one a bit, start sliding the new one under, then remove the old one and put the new one in22:24
kerioless than half a second, never had the clock reset :D22:24
FIQthat's what I'm doing, precisely22:24
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: are there any reports of people successfully replacing the backup battery? (somebody suggested to ask you)22:24
FIQit *usually* works22:25
FIQsometimes I'm too slow22:25
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: yes, some users did22:25
infobotbupbat is, like,, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months22:25
FIQkerio: Now ntpd just did something confusing22:25
FIQbefore, I had time set at 2000-01-01 00:0x22:26
FIQNow it's at 1970-01-01 01:0122:26
DocScrutinizer05ntpd is not the right thing for mobile devices with intermittent connectivity22:26
FIQi.e. seconds after unix epoch22:26
kerioi think it's ossosuw that sets it to 200022:26
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FIQkerio: basically it did something, but it didn't do it right22:27
OxFFFFkerio, surely RTC chip resets to 200022:27
DocScrutinizer05and usually ntpd config has localhost (== cmos clock) as lower prio startum22:27
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kerioOxFFFF: your username deeply upsets me22:27
FIQwhen battery dies, time's set at 2009-01-01 06:00 for me22:27
kerioFIQ: that's definetely osso-startup-wizard22:27
FIQ(if that's what you're discussing)22:27
FIQkerio: ah22:28
FIQwell, dunno what happens *now*22:28
FIQnow that I don't have it22:28
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: some docs on doing the replacment aswell?22:28
DocScrutinizer05unsolder old part, solder new one22:28
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r00t|home<kerio> open n900, remove battery, put in new battery, ???22:29
DocScrutinizer05I suggest either using two soldering irons in parallel, or shove some paper or tin/alu foil under the contact you are just desoldering22:29
OxFFFFr00t|home, replace with double layer electrolytic supercap.22:29
OxFFFFkerio, I am vi22:30
OxFFFFthey come in 0.07uF22:30
OxFFFFBut most are obsolete.22:30
kerioOxFFFF: your username still upsets me22:30
r00t|homei just read that as: 0xFFFFuF22:30
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DocScrutinizer05me too22:30
kerioIT'S NOT A REAL ZERO22:31
DocScrutinizer05and capslock upsets me too22:31
OxFFFFI am not allowed a zero.22:31
OxFFFFAt the start of the nick.22:31
keriobut it's not capslock, i was holding shift22:31
kerioi disabled capslock22:31
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FIQstill doesn't work22:32
* OxDEADBEEF ?22:32
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: the mouser catalog url on infobot is broken (redirects to /catalogrequest/catalog.aspx)22:32
FIQ(also, battery out, battery in = time is 2000-01-01 01:00 for me)22:32
FIQprobably as I'm on cet22:32
OxDEADBEEFkerio, is this better?22:32
DocScrutinizer05r00t|home: meh, you're welcome to find a better not outdated URL22:32
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: i can't without knowing what the content of the original url was22:33
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keriovi, wat r u doin22:34
OxBEEFBEEFI am trying to find a new name22:34
keriovi, stahp22:34
FIQkerio: ok, so the problem lies in autostart thingy22:34
FIQbecause I tried to start ntpd manually22:35
FIQworked just fine22:35
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FIQ(also, the 1970 nonsense wasn't caused by ntpd apparently, I guess that I just produced a malformed dateset)22:35
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: the problem lies in ntpd, it doesn't work on machines with intermittent connectivity22:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hmm, i wonder if we can abuse upstart's respawn to launch the appropriate magic command every x time22:36
FIQDocScrutinizer05: so are you suggesting me to download that package that anyone suggested from the beginning?22:37
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: ntpd in daemon (11min) mode is BS for whacky internet22:37
FIQ(a version of ntpdate)22:37
kerioFIQ: ntpdate or ntpd oneshot is the same22:37
FIQ[21:25:51] <r00t|home> <r00t|home> wget
FIQi.e. this22:37
keriodoc's objection lies in ntpd in daemon mode22:37
vi_ntp is suitable for one-shot mode.22:37
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kerioanyway, my phone booted with osso-startup-wizard purged22:38
* gomiam cries... I'm unable to bring my n900 back to life.22:38
gomiamok, I'm not really crying, but it is annoying22:38
FIQgomiam: what happened?22:38
DocScrutinizer05add `sleep 30; ntpdate && hwclock --systohc` zo ifup22:38
tadzikconsider describing your problem :)22:38
vi_have you flashed it?22:38
FIQn900 can be resurrected (assuing no hw problem) with usb22:38
DocScrutinizer05where ntpdate == ntpd -d iirc22:39
DocScrutinizer05for *some* flavours of ntpd22:39
gomiamwell, I bought this second hand N900 and found out it dropped the GSM card connection randomly.22:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ntpd -q22:39
keriogomiam: ouch22:39
DocScrutinizer05or that22:39
FIQntpd -d is daemonization IIRC22:39
FIQ-q is just "set time and quit"22:39
kerioFIQ: it's actually "don't daemonize" afaik22:39
FIQkerio: oh, so the opposite :D22:39
keriogomiam: it could be a hardware problem22:40
kerioit's a common fault, and there's no known fix :(22:40
keriogomiam: have you tried using a different, *new* sim?22:40
keriochecking the contacts?22:40
DocScrutinizer05fsckng ntpd is missing ntpdate's option to just *display* nettime22:40
gomiamso I decided to reflash it. I downloaded everything, ran flasher-3.5 (kind of) successfully from Windows 7 64 bit... and that's all she wrote.22:40
vi_pentium 4 laptop with tiny battery==utter bs.22:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ntpd -w22:40
kerio-wDo not set time (only query peers), implies -n (do not daemonize)22:41
vi_gomiam, Step 1. Dont use win 7.  An update has rendered it broken.22:41
FIQgomiam: i had the issue you had earlier, turned out it was my sim (it was ~5 years old)22:41
gomiamI have just tried the back-to-back root/emmc flash method to see if it would work from Knoppix 32 bits22:41
DocScrutinizer05pfff that's 'new'22:41
vi_gomiam, Step 2.  Use linux.22:41
FIQDocScrutinizer05: well it failed anyway22:41
gomiamand... it still gets in an endless boot loop.22:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: "stupid developers fixed my problem"22:41
keriogomiam: you flashed it incorrectly22:41
kerioor it has a serious hw problem22:41
FIQwent to a reseller of my operator, requested replacement, got one that was due to activate in ½h, worked flawlessy22:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio: eh?22:41
vi_gomiam, use linux22:42
FIQunusually seamless "repair" for me22:42
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the problem if it's a new thing?22:42
* fil notes that wifieye no longer shows me any stations, despite iwlist seeing stations -- is this a power kernel thing, or is it just coincidence that I recently installed that?22:42
vi_we should really roll an n900 'flashing' distro.22:42
DocScrutinizer05that it's not an old thing22:42
gomiamI get this message when trying to flash the root (among other things):   ERROR: EP0 STALL sent22:42
DocScrutinizer05what a stupid question22:42
vi_Base it on something like gparted, include the pr1.3 firmware files.22:42
keriovi_: NO REDIST!1!122:42
gomiamhold on, I'm putting it all in pastebin so you can read it yourselves if you wish22:43
vi_kerio, IDGAF about nokia license.22:43
kerioit's in the eula that you have to mindlessly click through to download the fiasco images22:43
DocScrutinizer05the obvious problem is that my objection been correct for the last ~5 years22:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but it's not correct anymore! :D22:43
DocScrutinizer05so what?22:43
DocScrutinizer05the devels still are morons22:43
Sicelofil: wfm.22:44
gomiamas you can see, the rootfs flash proceeds correctly... until it tries to flash cmt-mcusw22:44
filvi_: would it be worth knocking up some udebs so that one could do that from debian-installer?22:44
keriogomiam: signs point to hardware fault, sadly22:44
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: cmt hw defect22:44
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keriounfixable unless you have a reflow station, afaik22:45
FIQI couldn't follow kerio's advice on fixing the shellscript completely, but is what I have atm22:45
gomiamI read about someone using a heat gun to bring it back to life... is that even possible?22:45
filoh typical -- stupid proprietary license pain22:45
FIQsomething is most likely rendurant22:45
keriogomiam: are you an EE?22:45
FIQi.e. line 7 part22:45
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: yes, possible. with extreme luck and much experience22:45
gomiamkerio: no, but I have access to a few :)22:45
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: also see what kerio posted22:46
FIQsomeone willing to help me fix that ^, as i'm pretty bad on commandline-fu? :p22:46
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: yup, checking on reflow stations right now22:46
DocScrutinizer05err wut? for buying one?22:46
vi_just slap it in your oven at 220 degrees for 10 minutes.22:47
DocScrutinizer05you'll get ~20 new N900 for that money22:47
vi_Job done.22:47
keriovi_: stahp22:47
DocScrutinizer05vi_: stop telling BS22:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hopefully he's checking his accessible engineers22:47
gomiamkerio: mostly :)22:47
DocScrutinizer05vi_: check reflow profile allowed for most of the components. also check which components are hand assembled and not reflow-able at all22:48
DocScrutinizer05vi_: and consider this is a doublesided PCB22:48
DocScrutinizer05with a little luck your upper side looks brilliant after that procedure, while the bottom side is suddebly empty22:49
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just put the correct side in the oven, duh22:49
vi_yeah, that would suck.22:49
gomiamkerio: LOL22:50
vi_put a sacrificial n900 underneath duh.22:50
gomiamit seems air soldering rework stations are quite cheap... I need to ask around and see if someon I know has something like that22:50
gomiamin any case, getting back to the flash procedure22:51
vi_gomiam, USE LINUX22:51
gomiamis it normal that the rootfs flash procedure finishes (even if it complains about cmt)22:51
vi_gomiam, The best shareware OS available.22:51
keriogomiam: what's not normal is that it doesn't work afterwards22:51
kerioeven with a nonworking cmt22:52
gomiamvi_: I'm on Linux right now, and I'm using it for reflashing... unsuccessfully.22:52
gomiamkerio: the real problem comes when I try to flash the eMMC22:52
vi_There is a flag in flasher that lets you ignore CMTcheck.22:52
vi_Also, you can tell flasher to ONLY flash rootfs image.22:52
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keriogomiam: it doesn't really appear to be finished22:52
vi_So if you have the stock kernel flashed you can simply --flash-only=rootfs.img22:53
vi_or something22:53
kerioyep, --cmt-no-verify22:53
keriogomiam: make sure you don't boot inbetween the two images22:53
gomiamwhen I start flashing the eMMC (I'm going to try with --cmt-no-verify in a jiffy)22:53
gomiamthe phone reboots automatically and disappears from the USB devices... at least as far as flasher is concerned22:54
vi_when flashing emmc image, you do not need cmt no verify22:54
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gomiamhold on a few seconds while I try to flash the rootfs with --cmr-no-verify22:54
gomiamerm, cmt22:54
vi_gomiam, You are doing flasher3.5 -F <YOURFLASHFILEHERE> -f22:54
vi_no -R22:54
gomiamvi_: exactly22:54
gomiamyes, I'm afraid that had to do with my original problem. I probably added a -R in the beginning when I shouldn't22:55
gomiamanyway, testing this new option22:55
kerioremove battery, enter commandline to flash COMBINED without -R, hold u, put battery in, wait for flash to finish, remove battery, enter commandline to flash VANILLA without -R, hold U, put battery in, wait for finish, remove battery, enter commandline to flash COMBINED without -R, hold U, put battery in, wait for finish, remove battery, unplug everything, put battery in, turn on22:55
kerioand use --cmt-no-verify22:56
gomiamkerio: I have tried that unsuccessfully too. Then again, I may have tried it incorrectly, so I will try again22:56
keriobut accept the fact that the phone part of your n900 is fucked22:56
gomiamthanks everyone for your help so far22:56
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kerioand agps will also be fucked, so expect fix times in the order of minutes22:56
DocScrutinizer05gps is borked22:56
DocScrutinizer05TTFF -><infinite>22:57
DocScrutinizer05if cmt is deaf for flashing, it won't reply as usual to GPS inquiries22:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm22:58
DocScrutinizer05GPS chip is connected to BB522:58
keriocan't you disable agps?22:58
keriolike, from the GUI22:58
DocScrutinizer05sure, so what?22:58
keriooh, it'll still check, i see22:58
DocScrutinizer05the GPS chip is wired to BB522:58
keriohmm... doesn't stopping sscd do the same thing as a borked cmt, pretty much?22:58
DocScrutinizer05what got supplementary service code daemon to do with it?22:59
kerioit makes a cute "no sim" icon! :323:00
DocScrutinizer05osso-paint can do that too23:00
gomiamOk, battery off, start up rootfs flash with --cmt-no-verify (and no -R), complains and ends.23:00
gomiambattery off again, I start up eMMC flash, and it recognizes the device for a moment before it starts booting up and gets "lost"23:01
gomiam for more details23:01
DocScrutinizer05indeed :(, for fuzzy problem description23:01
keriogomiam: are you sure you're still holding u?23:01
gomiamkerio: certainly23:02
DocScrutinizer05battery empty23:02
kerioanyway, you won't be able to flash VANILLA without a working rootfs23:02
vi_Invalid argument for 'cmt'23:02
gomiamkerio: ouch. And if I read the instructions correctly, I can't get a working rootfs without a proper VANILLA.23:02
vi_are you sure you got the cmt-no verify correct?23:03
ShadowJKfil; wifieye randomly does one or all of the following: stops finding wlans, jacks up power consumption, leaves itself running and constantly scanning for wifi networks even if main window is closed23:03
FIQgomiam: correct23:03
keriogomiam: nah, you don't need *that* working of a rootfs :)23:03
DocScrutinizer05Bootloader error log follows:23:03
DocScrutinizer05  ERROR: Invalid argument for 'cmt'23:03
FIQbut that's no problem23:03
keriogomiam: basically, you need to flash COMBINED before VANILLA to be sure23:03
FIQyou just flash rootfs, make unbootable n900, flash emmc, then rootfs again23:03
gomiamFIQ: "make unbootable n900"... please elaborate your thoughts23:03
vi_--flash-only=rootfs.img or sometghing.23:03
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: incorrect23:03
FIQDocScrutinizer05: hmm ok23:04
keriovi_: --flash-only=rootfs actually23:04
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vi_gomiam, ^ what he said23:04
FIQoh well, i'm tired23:04
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gomiamtesting with --flash-only=rootfs23:04
filShadowJK: ah, ok -- ta23:04
keriogomiam: you can do it separately with nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs, cmt23:04
kerioof course cmt will fail for you23:04
kerioi'm not sure if you can tell it to flash more things at once23:04
vi_assuming you had stock kernel installed, that should work.23:05
keriogomiam: when flashing from COMBINED, you don't have to reboot between each thing23:05
gomiamkerio: I'm not. I'm removing the battery once the program gets back to command line23:05
vi_did it work23:06
kerioi mean when using --flash-only23:06
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gomiam--flash-only=rootfs worked.23:06
gomiamat least it didn't complain23:06
keriogomiam: do it for kernel too23:06
* ShadowJK would think just flashing rootfs makes bootable N900 as long as emmc partitions aren't in any half-broken state23:07
kerionolo has been flashed successfully, initfs isn't needed, cmt won't work for you23:07
DocScrutinizer05then do eMMC23:07
kerioShadowJK: in theory, yes :)23:07
gomiamflashing correct23:07
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gomiamproceeding to eMMC23:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if he's careful about not even half booting in the middle, he doesn't need to flash rootfs again, right?23:07
gomiamshould I remove the battery again before flashing eMMC?23:07
filis there any way of discovering what wifieye is upset about?  (do errors get sent anywhere useful, like .xsession-errors, say?)23:07
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DocScrutinizer05gomiam: try without, if it doesn't work, remove battery23:08
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: thanks. Starting eMMC flash run...23:08
ShadowJKThe constraint is: never-booted rootfs must exist after emmc has been flashed23:08
FIQgomiam: at least you have a working USB...23:08
gomiamflashing proceeds! Yay! Let's see how it ends :)23:09
FIQnice :)23:09
FIQgomiam: did the device boot before eMMC flash and after rootfs flash?23:09
FIQ(every kind of boot counts)23:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: going back to the gps problem - shouldn't it be the same as a missing SIM?23:09
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: meh, if device doesn't boot, just reflash rootfs again23:10
kerioie it has no agps but it eventually gets a fix?23:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: no23:10
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DocScrutinizer05the gps chip is attached to cmt BB523:10
gomiamFIQ: nope. When I flashed only rootfs and kernel it kept waiting, and when I started eMMC flashing it booted, but it is supposed to do that, I guess, because this time the VANILLA flash finished successfully from flasher's POV23:10
gomiamNow I should remove the battery and see if it starts, right?23:11
keriogomiam: yep23:11
DocScrutinizer05if BB5 is zombie state, how would it proxy GPS info23:11
FIQgomiam: yes23:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: oic23:11
keriowell, it's a shame :(23:11
filoh, I see -- it's spewing python errors23:11
FIQalso is there a way to confirm broken gps?23:11
kerioFIQ: go outside, gpsrecorder or gpsjinni23:12
FIQmine has stalled on "waiting" infinite time since uh23:12
FIQa while ago23:12
FIQ(~a year)23:12
gomiamit gets to the dots running right and left...23:12
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DocScrutinizer05wait some more!23:13
FIQgomiam: it's rather slow first boot23:13
FIQvery slow tbh, I even though it got stuck the first time23:13
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FIQbut then I forgot about the phone and started a game, and before i got to start it proper, it was done :p23:13
DocScrutinizer05you might want to hook up fastcharger right now23:13
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gomiamI get the telephony functions disabled message which is encouraging23:14
FIQDocScrutinizer05: what happens if there's a power outage on first boot?23:14
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kerioFIQ: madness23:14
* gomiam keeps waiting patiently for MAemo to get its act together...23:14
FIQit would be slightly frustrating for me if I got that after successfully reflashing recently...23:14
kerioafaik there's *something* regarding graceful failure during updates23:15
FIQlike "grats, you did it, only took an hour! now do it again!"23:15
kerionot sure what happens during firstboot though23:15
gomiamwhile waiting, a small offtopic question: have you ever dealt with an Always Innovating Smart Book?23:15
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gomiam(this MID device you could pop into a screen to turn it into a pad, which you could slot into a keyboard to turn it into a netbook?23:16
keriogomiam: looks overly complicated23:16
gomiamkerio: it does at that, but it also had four Linux distros from start :)23:16
FIQI have not23:17
gomiamI'm asking because the company stopped selling them and they won't answer to any queries about remaining stock23:17
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: you attached fastcharger?23:17
FIQbut seeing it reminds me of asus transformer23:17
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: no. I just have this battery that I charged before starting all this.23:18
FIQwhich I'm considering getting, but haven't yet23:18
keriogomiam: attach it, just to be sure :)23:18
gomiamFIQ: actually, the Asus Transformer reminds me of this thing... but less flexible. Always Innovating's product was on the market before Asus' one, anyway23:18
gomiamkerio: WILCO23:18
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DocScrutinizer05btw firstboot should be done with no PC attached23:19
FIQi don't see the point in pads, sure they have some adventages, but it feels a bit too nisched23:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why, what happens otherwise? :o23:19
DocScrutinizer05ass rage mode would possibly interfere23:19
FIQtransformer combines netbook and pad nicely, which made me consider it23:19
FIQwould rather get one that came with a better os though..23:19
gomiamaaaand... it plays the Nokia startup tune!23:19
DocScrutinizer05and generally it introduces unneeded complexity and points of failure23:19
kerioFIQ: i don't get this fixation with tablets, really23:20
* gomiam does little victory dance... and the neighbours below complain.23:20
keriogomiam: yay ^_^23:20
FIQkerio: I don't get the hype of pads at all23:20
FIQbut I can see they be decent in some situations.. but they're few23:20
kerioheh, we don't really have to tell gomiam to uninstall cherry ASAP23:20
FIQhaha :P23:20
gomiamok, setting options and checking but, for the time being, THANKS A LOT23:21
kerioYOU'RE WELCOME23:21
gomiamno, I'm gomiam :P23:21
FIQ(gomiam: fyi, cherry is my-nokia thing, which is obligatory premium SMS giving "support")23:21
FIQin case you wondered23:21
gomiamI will ask around to see if someone has a new SIM card I can play around with23:22
keriogomiam: forget about it, your cmt is toast23:22
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FIQif SIM card was the issue, then cmt would flash fine23:22
kerionot being able to flash cmt is *the* telltale sign23:22
keriodammit FIQ23:22
FIQgomiam: enjoy your upgraded N810, pretty much :|23:22
DocScrutinizer05we seen cmt "segfault" on fsckdup SIM23:22
FIQDocScrutinizer05: then, sim removal should work23:23
gomiamFIQ: will do XD at least it lets me browse some webpages that bork on my N800 (slashdot, I'm looking at you)23:23
kerioand it would flash nicely23:23
DocScrutinizer05so if gomiam has no SIM inserted right now, he got a defect cmt23:23
DocScrutinizer05otherwise it's worth removing SIM23:23
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: no SIM right now, correct.23:23
DocScrutinizer05then sorry, dude23:23
FIQthen cmt = defect23:24
FIQ(not literally, mind you)23:24
gomiamtsch... I will ask around and see if someone manages to "resolder" it23:24
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: ?23:24
DocScrutinizer05please check your OS version, in settings "about product"23:24
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, no 'luck'23:25
FIQDocScrutinizer05: now you remind me of v1.0 issue with certain SIM cards23:25
DocScrutinizer05correct "firmware version"23:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: wait, what?23:25
FIQ(I happened to have one of the SIMs that didn't work)23:25
kerioit should be 21.2011.38-1, shouldn't it23:25
FIQkerio: no23:25
FIQgomiam has PR1.323:25
DocScrutinizer05cmt PR1.3 won't flash with fiasco 1.123:25
FIQthat is 1.3.123:25
gomiamis there a newer version?23:26
keriogomiam: anyway, upgrade to pr 1.3.1 with HAM23:26
FIQgomiam: you want cssu23:26
keriothen install cssu-something23:26
DocScrutinizer05nope, yours is the most recent one23:26
FIQkerio: that isn't needed23:26
gomiamok, proceeding to update the hell out of it.23:26
FIQcssu installs on 1.323:26
keriogomiam: you have the latest version of the fiasco images23:26
keriothere's a community thing for updates, but it's only post-flash23:26
FIQI'm still surprised that nokia even did 1.3.123:27
FIQwas there any contract or anything saying "end of support: XXXXX"?23:27
DocScrutinizer05esp since the DGAF about vulnerabilities in flash23:28
FIQbecause that would be the only reason I see for nokia to do such thing23:28
kerioFIQ: meh, ssl brokenness is a big deal23:28
FIQkerio: what about the other vulnerabilities?23:28
FIQand the other cert issue creeping up after a while? :p23:28
FIQ(they didn't do a pr1.3.2 for it)23:28
kerioi guess they stopped caring23:28
* gomiam connected to local wifi...23:29
DocScrutinizer05and we all thought the had done before23:29
* ShadowJK wonders what gps software shows "waiting" forever, if it's ovi maps, give up, because it cycles gps on and off like some adhd person23:30
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: you could try dialing '*#0000#' in dialer23:30
FIQShadowJK: yeah, ovi maps23:30
FIQbut i wouldn't be surprised if it was ovi maps issue23:30
FIQit never worked any good23:30
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FIQtherefore I asked in here for a proper way to check if gps worked23:30
ShadowJKIt basically switches off gps sooner than theoretical worst case cold start minimum time required to first fix in ideal conditons, so..23:31
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: I have no clue what it will show for you, I only know it *should* show OS version23:31
ShadowJKgpsjinni, location test23:31
FIQthe only reason I consider gps broken at all is that ovi maps at least worked before23:32
kerioFIQ: gpsrecorder23:32
FIQ(not good, but it worked)23:32
FIQsince a year ago it doesn't work *at all*23:32
FIQkerio: what's that?23:32
kerioa program23:32
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: it shows 20.2010.36-223:32
DocScrutinizer05also *#06# for IMEI which definitely will blow chunks when cmt defect23:32
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FIQit's a program!23:32
FIQDocScrutinizer05: heh, what happens if cmt is broken? :p23:32
FIQ@ imei check23:32
ShadowJKagps "broke" for me at home recently, because my operator installed a new 3g antenna in the mast, and none of the supl servers know of it, and don't give any usable data back :)23:32
FIQgomiam: try it :323:33
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: and *#06# answers "IMEI:"... because I have no SIM in it right now?23:33
FIQgomiam: no23:33
FIQimei is phone, not sim23:33
keriogomiam: because your cmt is busted23:33
gomiamtrue, true23:33
gomiammy bad23:33
FIQ(well, assuming working cmt)23:33
gomiamuser error: replace user and proceed :)23:33
FIQdidn't korea produce new n900 boards or anything?23:34
FIQsomeone in here told earlier...23:34
DocScrutinizer05that's the newest rumor23:34
tadziknew n900 boards?23:34
tadzikwhat for? :)23:34
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keriowhich korea?23:34
gomiamDocScrutinizer05: so... should I install the CSSU Features Configuration application?23:34
FIQkerio: the good one I guess23:34
tadzikhuh, I'm surprised anyone still cares23:34
FIQcertainly not the north side23:34
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: one of the two available ones is obsolete and borked23:35
ShadowJKthey recently discoveered unicorn caves23:35
gomiaminteresting, only one shows by default. Checking version23:35
DocScrutinizer05gomiam: anyway before you install that, you'll want to install CSSU23:35
gomiamok, reading on installing CSSU...23:35
infobotmethinks cssu is
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FIQok so what was I supposed to do...23:38
FIQright, check what gpsrecord was23:38
FIQor whatever it was named23:38
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ: get location test23:38
DocScrutinizer05way better than gpsrecord23:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: but does it update the clock?23:38
DocScrutinizer05err  nope23:39
FIQjust tell me what the package is named, i just want to check if this thing works..23:39
infobotit has been said that pkg is
gomiamhow stable is CSSU "testing"?23:39
DocScrutinizer05stable enough23:39
keriogomiam: like debian testing23:39
gomiamthen it is good enough :)23:39
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FIQgomiam: do note that you can't go to stable from testing23:39
FIQw/o reflash or BM restoration23:40
keriodisclaimer: it might not be as stable as debian testing23:40
FIQ(but you can do the opposite)23:40
DocScrutinizer05but you can go to testing from stable23:40
keriogomiam: make sure to follow the instructions23:40
kerioaka MAKE A BM BACKUP23:40
DocScrutinizer05follow the instructions *verbatim*23:40
FIQthe instruction that I didn't see the first time, as it wasn't there then :)23:40
DocScrutinizer05and waaaaait til you see results23:40
DocScrutinizer05don't abort anything!23:40
DocScrutinizer05there's nothing known to ever lock up23:41
gomiamkerio: wilco, though currently I have no info on the phone so I would have no problem reflashing, now I know how to get it back up.23:41
DocScrutinizer05just sometimes takes quite a while23:41
FIQahh whatever23:41
FIQlet's do this23:41
* FIQ upgrades to cssu-testing23:41
FIQor... cssu-thumb perhaps23:41
kerioFIQ: you're supposed to yell "LEEROOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEENKINS" when you do that23:41
DocScrutinizer05what? jenkings? who the f* is jenkins? <sing!>23:42
FIQok cssu thumb needs a new kernel afaik23:42
FIQthat means that BM restorations wont work23:42
FIQ(as I found out the hard way earlier)23:43
kerioinstall kernel-power before23:43
FIQi have it23:43
kerioand make a backup with that23:43
keriothen it won't need a new kernel23:43
keriounless you have an ancient kernel-power23:43
FIQbackup was made 2h ago23:43
* FIQ checks23:43
FIQ..uname doesn't seem to tell version23:43
FIQnever mind23:44
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if a backup could be done after download of PK but *before* it gets flashed23:44
FIQi didn't have kernel-power23:44
FIQbut I'll have it soon23:44
DocScrutinizer05so that restoring to that state would trigger immediate kernel flashing23:45
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infobotsomebody said kp was
FIQnot that..23:45
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FIQDocScrutinizer05: i'd rather not try it out23:46
DocScrutinizer05((<FIQ> ..uname doesn't seem to tell version)) of what?23:46
DocScrutinizer05kernel? it does23:46
FIQkernel-power version23:46
DocScrutinizer05rootfs? nope23:46
FIQbut i realized it was due to vanilla23:46
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FIQso i'm installing kp atm23:46
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FIQbut I'm honestly surprised, I thought I did this ages ago23:47
FIQ(or weeks, at least)23:47
gomiamstarting big cssu download and install...23:48
FIQat least I was going to do it.. guess i forgot it23:48
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, doing restore of a suspended-to-disk swap and rootfs, then triggering immediate hard reboot, that would be awesome23:48
vi_is there any program on maemo that lets me watch videos from where I left off?23:49
FIQn900 hibernation?23:49
vi_like panucci, but for videos?23:49
ShadowJKWeirdly the default media player seems to do that for me23:49
ShadowJKor then it's gpodder, *shrug*23:49
FIQDocScrutinizer05: i don't use it on computer *at all*, but it would be really nice to have suspend-to-disk on n90023:49
vi_ah! of course!23:49
FIQespecially at the rate I power cycle as I can't charge..23:50
FIQok DocScrutinizer05, I have kp5123:50
FIQI guess that's enough?23:50
vi_ty SJK23:50
FIQfor thumb23:50
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: for some purposes it would indeed be nice. But particularly for installing a live system it would be mad useful23:50
kerioFIQ: then you should be able to just install cssu-thumb23:50
FIQkerio: nice23:50
keriowithout changing your kernel23:50
FIQi'll do bm backup first though23:50
kerioif you want to be sure, install pali's fiasco-do-update-ask23:51
vi_FIQ: good move!23:51
keriobut make sure to actually flash if it asks to flash23:51
FIQpretty simple to remember23:52
FIQthere's lots of adventages with a (mostly) open system like maemo23:53
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FIQit's improving now, after 3 years of existing23:53
FIQ(n900, that is)23:53
DocScrutinizer05orly? :-D23:53
DocScrutinizer05and I thought all n900 users are steampunks23:54
FIQbut I guess the community can only shrink now, mostly23:54
FIQas there are hardly any new n900s23:54
vi_plenty of old ones.23:54
vi_right now is the golden time to stock up on n900s23:55
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DocScrutinizer05well, we seen - like - 4 new users during last 3 weeks23:55
DocScrutinizer05just here in this chan23:55
FIQDocScrutinizer05: true23:55
FIQeven though n900 users wont increase, the community might do23:55
FIQas casuals replace the device, and their devices get re-used by people that actually care about an open system23:55
gomiamvi_: unfortunately, n900's are still a bit pricy on eBay :)23:57
gomiamok, CSSU testing installed23:57
FIQgomiam: a shop in my country sold *new* (yes, really) n900s23:57
FIQthough they did it for launch price..23:57
FIQso not really worth it eh23:57
tadzikthey still sell new ones here23:57
tadzikfor ~150€ or so23:57
FIQthe shop I saw did it for launch price, so ~600€23:58
FIQtadzik: interested? ;)23:58
gomiamtadzik: yup, I got mine for about EUR10023:58
tadzikhardly a good offer23:58
tadzikFIQ: not really, mine works pretty fine :)23:58
r00t|homei bought a like-new n900 on ebay for 80eur...23:58
FIQI guess I could stock up on them23:58
FIQthen keep them for some years23:58
FIQthen sell it for moar :o23:58
FIQ(once they get very hard to come by)23:59
tadzikif there will be people to buy them for more23:59
tadzikI don't think I'll buy another one if this one broke23:59
FIQi would23:59
FIQI seriously considered ^ that offer as my n900 was useless in a period23:59
FIQbut decided to do a last attempt on getting my n900 in working state23:59

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