| pcfe | kerio: nope, bip | 00:00 |
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| NeutrinoPower | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 00:00 |
| FIQ | NeutrinoPower: ignore that | 00:01 |
| NeutrinoPower | ok | 00:01 |
| NeutrinoPower | what is the error? http://pastebin.com/gZDSSGLD | 00:02 |
| NeutrinoPower | luxus: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.7.0) but 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed | 00:05 |
| FIQ | that error doesn't make any sense for me | 00:05 |
| NeutrinoPower | how do apt-get ignore this ? for pacman I would use "-d" | 00:08 |
| NeutrinoPower | what is luxus? | 00:08 |
| NeutrinoPower | ah, light meter | 00:09 |
| NeutrinoPower | but I want this | 00:09 |
| Corsac | FIQ: 4.7.0~git is lower than 4.7.0 | 00:10 |
| FIQ | luxus - Light meter homescreen widget for the N900, can display lux and EV values | 00:10 |
| FIQ | Corsac: how? | 00:10 |
| Corsac | because ~ is a special char? | 00:10 |
| NeutrinoPower | kerio: there is no tmux http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=tmux&go=Go | 00:12 |
| NeutrinoPower | kerio: "Edit repository", Distirbution: fremantle; Components: free non-free | 00:14 |
| kerio | ~pkg | 00:16 |
| infobot | somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ | 00:16 |
| kerio | http://maemo.org/packages/view/tmux/ | 00:16 |
| FIQ | [23:12:26] <NeutrinoPower> kerio: there is no tmux http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=tmux&go=Go | 00:17 |
| FIQ | i just installed it | 00:18 |
| FIQ | as kerio said it was there :p | 00:18 |
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| NeutrinoPower | "Couldn't find package tmux" | 00:19 |
| FIQ | [23:16:47] <kerio> http://maemo.org/packages/view/tmux/ | 00:19 |
| NeutrinoPower | strange | 00:20 |
| Pali | when will be maemo wifi working?? | 00:21 |
| Pali | s/wifi/wiki/ | 00:21 |
| infobot | Pali meant: when will be maemo wiki working?? | 00:21 |
| FIQ | NeutrinoPower: well I suppose you haven't enabled devel | 00:22 |
| NeutrinoPower | sure I enabled it and installed qalculate | 00:22 |
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| NeutrinoPower | do someone use the kernel-BFS ? is the Brain-Fuck-Scheduler usefull? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 00:40 |
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| kerio | NeutrinoPower: nope | 00:45 |
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| NeutrinoPower | qalculate-gtk don't fit on N900 screen | 00:59 |
| NeutrinoPower | :( | 00:59 |
| wmarone_ | well, it is rather small... | 01:02 |
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| kwtm7 | remind me -- what do I do if the ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db database fills up, so that response is really sluggish? (I tried deleting it, thinking the system would just regenerate it, but put it back after 24 hours of malfunctioning horror) | 07:03 |
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| Ken-Young | kwtm7, WHat events get logged to that database? | 07:20 |
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| kwtm7 | Ken-Young: mainly phone calls and SMS | 07:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm7: http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Maemo-Conversations/td-p/1034177 | 08:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm7: it's not exactly about deleting that db | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I think with sqlite3 frontend deleting all records should be simple | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google is your friend | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kwtm7: another method might be to select "delete conversations" from conversations pulldown menu, then select *all* conversations with ctrl-A from kbd, and click "delete" | 09:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas same procedure doesn't work for call history | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so: http://www.sqlite.org/lang_delete.html | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>If the WHERE clause is not present, all records in the table are deleted<< | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in any case, CREATE A BACKUP of ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db ! | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fool's solution ;-): sqlite3 ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-backup .dump|grep CREATE|sqlite3 ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 09:32 |
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| deepy | Can I make my N900 stop beeping at night just because the battery is low? | 11:21 |
| deepy | I think I jumped up through the roof at 2AM | 11:21 |
| tadzik | wow, it beeps on low battery? That's news to me | 11:21 |
| deepy | And the feelings of guilt from charging my almost full cell instead of the almost empty one didn't subside for at least an hour | 11:21 |
| deepy | It doesn't beep on low battery? | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errrr http://opencharities.org/charities/1082252 | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hildon foundation | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: deepy: sure it makes weird sounds on low battery | 11:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-battery_low.wav | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, **special**: play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-recharge_battery.wav | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: ((Can I make my N900 stop beeping...) sure! power it down, or charge it ;-D | 11:30 |
| * tadzik whispers: "or remove the wav file!" and hides | 11:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's a possibility to just stop the empty-bat warning | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the more genuine and sane way though would be to set system-sounds to 0 in settings | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will affect all system sounds | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (like charging notification, connection-established notification...) | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cd /usr/share/sounds/; for f in ui-charging_started.wav ui-connection_lost.wav presence-offline.wav presence-online.wav; do play-sound $f; sleep 1;done; | 11:38 |
| deepy | I'll lower the system sounds then | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | play-sound is unrelated to systemsounds volume! | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just in case you might've pondered to check volume with the line I pasted above | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for f in /usr/share/sounds/*.wav; do play-sound $f; sleep 1;done; | 11:41 |
| deepy | Oh I don't have my N900 with me | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is funny though | 11:41 |
| deepy | It's at home | 11:41 |
| tadzik | stationary phone? :) | 11:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the diagnostic output is hilarious | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | callback called, error 'Success' | 11:44 |
| deepy | Well, I need to have 3G to even get a signal with Meteor :p | 11:45 |
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| Pali | deepy, open control panel, then profile settings and set system sounds to 0 or off | 11:55 |
| Pali | battery low volume level is stored in profiled daemon settings | 11:55 |
| Pali | in some system sound key | 11:55 |
| Pali | I'm using Timed Silencer application where can be configured switching to silent profile at night | 11:57 |
| Pali | (it using alarmd for executing commands) | 11:57 |
| deepy | Cheers, but Doc beat you to it :-P | 11:57 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ^^^^ another good feature of alarmd :D | 11:57 |
| deepy | Well, the first line, the rest was interesting on it's own though | 11:57 |
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| dimir | Hello there! | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer alarmed for that | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds more universal purpose than Timed Silencer application | 12:04 |
| dimir | Quick question. I was wondering how easy it is to change the n900 motherboard by myself. I'm not an expert in these things but was wondering should I trust this operation to the specialist or it's safe to do that at home? | 12:05 |
| dimir | The thing is, on my n900 the GSM-module died. I have found the guy that has broken display on his n900 and willing to sell it cheap. I need to make sure his motherboard is fine before buying it. | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | swap is simple | 12:06 |
| dimir | You mean swapping the motherboard? | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | making sure that this mainboard is OK is a tad more demanding task | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 12:07 |
| dimir | Ah. | 12:07 |
| dimir | Shit. | 12:07 |
| dimir | Is there something you could recommend? | 12:07 |
| dimir | What would you do? | 12:07 |
| dimir | He is selling his n900 for 40$ USD. | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get the board, swap, see if everything ok | 12:08 |
| dimir | How much time would it take? | 12:08 |
| dimir | I wouldn't want to hold the seller for an hour. :-D | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 60min | 12:08 |
| dimir | Ah | 12:08 |
| dimir | Shit. | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might be able to swap screen half in 20 min | 12:09 |
| dimir | Alright, I'll give him a call and find out if his display shows at least something. | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on luck and experience | 12:09 |
| dimir | Experience is almost 0. | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | separating kbd and screen half takes ~5 min | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but plugging in the flex cable connector again may cost you your last hair | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or might as well be a matter of 20s | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd get a screen-broken N900 for 40 bucks any time | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for 30 for sure | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/get/buy/ | 12:11 |
| chem|st | +1 | 12:11 |
| dimir | Heh, hes device has no display at all. :-D | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only with working USB though | 12:12 |
| dimir | Ah. | 12:12 |
| dimir | So in general I could take the risk. | 12:12 |
| dimir | Good. | 12:12 |
| chem|st | dimir: you can check if everything is working by attaching it to a tv for example | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, even better. that might mean the screen / display is OK and only main flex connector is defect | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: doesn't work with FPC defect | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me why | 12:13 |
| dimir | :-D | 12:13 |
| dimir | Well, he said he sat on it and the display glass broke. So he took it apart. | 12:13 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: darn that worked with the broken N9 | 12:13 |
| dimir | I don't know what does it mean exactly. | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you should see proper ENUM in syslog when pluggin in to PC's USB | 12:14 |
| dimir | So, in general, swapping the MB is less risk, right? | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* so maybe it's not really worth 40 bucks | 12:14 |
| dimir | Do I need some special screwdriver for that or anything? | 12:14 |
| dimir | Is there a howto for that? | 12:14 |
| dimir | :-) | 12:14 |
| dimir | I guess there is on youtube. | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, yes | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, possibly | 12:15 |
| chem|st | P0 and T5 iirc | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TX6 | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and Ph0 | 12:15 |
| chem|st | oh 6 it was... | 12:15 |
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| dimir | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8 n900 disassembly | 12:16 |
| chem|st | in long Philips0 and Torx6 | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH http://www.tehkseven.net/news/nokia-news/nokia-n900-disassembly/ ->404 | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google for N900 L1_L2 | 12:17 |
| dimir | PH0 and T6 says in the video. | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | forget all those videos, they often are missleading | 12:18 |
| dimir | OK. Well, thanks a lot for the info. I think I'll first practice a bit at home and then when I meet the guy I do the swap quicker. | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch, the tehkseven vid | 12:19 |
| dimir | Which one? | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yours | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same as my dead link, but it's no good video | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get service manual L1_L2 | 12:20 |
| dimir | It's no good? | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it neglects some important details | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it does nonsense | 12:21 |
| dimir | I got the manual, thanks. | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense: removing the "I'm not sure what's that" GSM antenna. Neglect: "please be careful with that one" | 12:21 |
| dimir | :-D | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably don't want to disassemble the screen assembly half at all | 12:23 |
| dimir | yeah. | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just *carefully* unplug the flat plastic connector ribbon from mainboard, and swap screen completely | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't bend or pull the flat plastic connector | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they call it main flex connector iirc | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, when that guy planted his fat back on the screen so it cracked, then disassembled it and wrecked it some more, it's questionable if that device is still worth 40 bucks | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at very least connect his device to a linux PC and check PC's syslog | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you can be sure the board is semi-alive at least | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl USB | 12:29 |
| dimir | Ah, good idea. I'll take my notebook with me. | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a charged BL-5C | 12:31 |
| dimir | Well, what wonders me, he said the device works properly, I wonder how did he conclude that. | 12:31 |
| dimir | DocScrutinizer05: the battery? | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are his battery is depleted and without battery it won't really boot | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | put a mark on yours, so you don't swap it | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dimir: German? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BL-5J, sorry | 12:36 |
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| dimir | DocScrutinizer05: me? No. :-D | 12:46 |
| dimir | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks for a hint on mirking my MB. He promised to try to connect his phone to a PC to see if it works. He said after the accident he has put it back to the box where it's been for 1 year. | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I meant your battery though ;-) | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually mainboard defects might easily be caused by too much mechanical stress, like someone sitting on the device | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems that often the soldering balls of BGA chips disconnect, probably caused (among others) by bending the PCB while chips can't be bent | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, good luck! | 12:53 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/03/apple_charging_patent/ | 13:06 |
| Skry | yeah, madness | 13:15 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | The top comment is nice. | 13:16 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | "I think Nikola Tesla may have a few things to say on applying power at a distance wirelessly.." | 13:16 |
| Skry | Yup :D I read somewhere that some parties are already negotiating about possibility of patenting (human) genes, in simple terms. | 13:18 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Sure, let's patent breathing :D | 13:20 |
| Skry | it's coming.. :) | 13:23 |
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| ShadowJK | there are already gene patents I think? | 13:52 |
| chem|st | wasn't it tesla who said it is no problem to power a town OTA? | 13:57 |
| Hurrian | Let's patent a "method of filing exclusive rights by a recognized authority, to concepts pertaining to machines and methods", and torpedo every patent holder in existence. | 13:59 |
| chem|st | Hurrian: patent education and sue 1 year old children's parents! | 14:01 |
| chem|st | that would at least lead to an end! | 14:02 |
| chem|st | I am fed with all those "The first foobar ever" commercials by apple... | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | "A method of absorption of information from sources recognized by an apparatus, which by mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic or analogous means classifies and relates the information obtained into a database" | 14:04 |
| Hurrian | oh man, that's loaded with so much buzzwords the patent office has to accept that | 14:04 |
| jon_y | Wireless Charging? Will there be a backlash like wifi? :) | 14:04 |
| jon_y | surely it is higher power than wifi | 14:05 |
| jon_y | spread the word, Apple causes cancer! :) | 14:05 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | It's not really related, me thinks. | 14:05 |
| chem|st | jon_y: 2 different things | 14:05 |
| jon_y | well, people think EM causes cancer | 14:05 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | People are idiots, end of story. | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | chem|st: THEY'RE SENDING POWER OVER THE AIR! SORCERY, I TELL YOU! RAISE YOUR PITCHFORKS! | 14:06 |
| jon_y | right, so I was wondering if the same idiots will make noise | 14:06 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Noise is all they can do as we have superior technology :P | 14:06 |
| jon_y | also, cellphone emission cancer | 14:06 |
| chem|st | Hurrian: ouh in saudi arabia you get stonewalled for that | 14:06 |
| jon_y | cancer everything :) | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | it's inevitable - someone even called RFID tags the mark of the devil, iirc. | 14:07 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | "If you like, put an egg on your cellphone, it like, totally cooks the egg" | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | not to say that tracking isn't bad, but the dude literally said it was the mark of the devil, see the bible. | 14:07 |
| jon_y | I am a very model of an infrared range radioactive source | 14:07 |
| jon_y | surely I cause cancer by being in the same room :) | 14:08 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | and actually | 14:08 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | she said "I feel it's the implementation of the Mark of the Beast" | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | jon_y, so, if you're a cancer causing IR source, what isn't? | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | ;) | 14:08 |
| jon_y | I was just wodering how they'd freak out :) | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES AND UNMUTATED CELLULAR NUCLEI! | 14:08 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Oh and I thought this was a different channel :D | 14:08 |
| chem|st | you are definetely a source... of what kind is to be determined | 14:08 |
| chem|st | well back to charging OTA | 14:09 |
| chem|st | has s/o tried to reassamble a wireless charger to a n900's backpanel? | 14:10 |
| * ShadowJK finds it amusing that 666 is a mistranslation | 14:10 | |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: so what... | 14:11 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Most of the bible things are. | 14:11 |
| jaska | dclxvi! | 14:11 |
| jon_y | aww, Jewish numerology | 14:11 |
| ShadowJK | You'd think since it's like almost only exact figure in the whole book people would've paid more attention to get it right | 14:11 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | They are Catholics, they don't question. They accept. | 14:14 |
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| kolp | chem|st: I just got myself 2 spare palm pre backcover sto take apart and put into the n900 to use with my touchstone charger | 14:16 |
| chem|st | kolp: pictures?! | 14:17 |
| chem|st | kolp: keep the community posted | 14:17 |
| kolp | It's not done yet. :) There's an old thread on TMO where someone achieved that | 14:17 |
| kolp | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56950 | 14:18 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping | 16:15 |
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| cehteh | hi | 16:16 |
| fastlane` | hi | 16:18 |
| cehteh | my n900 loosing wlan connection and cant reconnect until i reboot it since some time, anyone of you heared of this issue? | 16:18 |
| cehteh | going out of range, switching to wwan .. coming back and it wont reconnnect | 16:20 |
| r00t|home | never had such problems... | 16:34 |
| r00t|home | does it just not scan for wlans/try to connect? | 16:34 |
| r00t|home | or does it try and fails? | 16:34 |
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| teotwaki | So, massive fail. | 16:35 |
| teotwaki | I developed a new function on one of our products, testing it quickly, build an rpm, send it to the test environment, play with it. Small problems, fine tune it... aaaaand, stuck. Bug. Regression. No data is detected anymore, parsing errors everywhere. | 16:36 |
| teotwaki | My direct co-worker starts looking with me, we find a quick helper function that always returns 1, for some reason, so we add a breakpoint in that function, test it, breakpoint doesn't get triggered. Ok, wanna play? I add a delete (char *) 0x12345678; compile, test again, no coredump. | 16:37 |
| teotwaki | Ok, wait, what? | 16:37 |
| teotwaki | I check the gcc/clang version, maybe some newfangled noob error handling that prevents you from coredumping by your own accord, I decide to simply to a cout to see what the values are, disregarding the logging system. Nothing. | 16:37 |
| teotwaki | Turns out, we were adding code *after* the return line. | 16:38 |
| teotwaki | So, that's all nice, we now see the values, but they still don't add up. How can 84 - 16 = 1? | 16:38 |
| teotwaki | Turns out I wrote "bool", instead of unsigned long int. | 16:38 |
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| dimir | [12:53] <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, good luck! <- Thanks! :-) | 16:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, pong? | 17:05 |
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| vi_ | I have found a novel way of keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeder. | 17:06 |
| vi_ | I have covered the pole in goosefat. | 17:07 |
| vi_ | Now they jump on and try to climb but slide down. | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Friend of mine tried a bunch of stuff for his hanging feeder | 17:07 |
| vi_ | But now I have greasy squirrels :/ | 17:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | finally settled on buying the cheap stuff in bulk from CostCo and putting that on the ground. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and giving the quality seed to the birds. | 17:08 |
| vi_ | try mixing in chilli seeds. | 17:08 |
| vi_ | the birds DGAF. | 17:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | vi_, you should hire an oil spill recovery team to clean up your squirrels. | 17:08 |
| vi_ | the squirrels shit themselves. | 17:08 |
| jaska | heh, squirrels will hang upside down to get to the seeeeed | 17:09 |
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| vi_ | uk dvla. utter SCUM. | 17:32 |
| int_ua | Hi. I have four hildon-desktop core dumps in a row. CSSU Tmaemo6. Where should I send them? Leaving in 5 minutes | 17:34 |
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| vi____ | who wants to help a gnoob compile some code? | 18:17 |
| vi____ | That is me by the way. | 18:17 |
| vi____ | who was the guy here who suggested the use of codeblocks as a C IDE? | 18:20 |
| kolp | vi____: Might have been me | 18:21 |
| vi____ | aah, yes! | 18:21 |
| kolp | Depending on what your impression is ;) | 18:21 |
| vi____ | You have jsut volunteered yourself! | 18:21 |
| vi____ | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/magick-wand.php | 18:21 |
| vi____ | ^how do I compile that? | 18:21 |
| vi____ | I see I need to get the magickwand library, however I am not sure where I have to put it. | 18:22 |
| vi____ | I am using debian BTW. | 18:22 |
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| kolp | Your using c::b on debian? | 18:22 |
| vi____ | yes. | 18:22 |
| vi____ | Is that...bad? | 18:22 |
| Aoyagi | you're | 18:22 |
| vi____ | Aoyagi, yes... | 18:23 |
| kolp | I guess not. I've never used an IDE on linux for writing code | 18:23 |
| vi____ | kolp. aah. | 18:23 |
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| kolp | Well, you can put that lib wherever you want | 18:24 |
| kolp | I guess it would be easiest to install the -dev package | 18:24 |
| Aoyagi | vi____: I was correcting kolp, sorry, reflex. | 18:25 |
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| kolp | Aoyagi: Thanks, just a typo, I know the rules ;) | 18:26 |
| Aoyagi | Well, no problem, I can get annoying with that and eventually even banned :D | 18:26 |
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| kolp | vi____: Btw, are you trying to cross-compile for maemo? | 18:28 |
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| vi____ | kolp, no. I have SB for that. | 18:32 |
| vi____ | I am trying to write a firmware patching utility. | 18:32 |
| vi____ | i.e. a program that will load a firmware file and replace a certain number of bytes starting at a particular offset. | 18:33 |
| vi____ | If you know of any example code you could point me too, I would be very grateful. | 18:33 |
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| kolp | Shouldn't be too difficult. You'd just mmap that file and modify those bytes | 18:37 |
| vi____ | mmap? | 18:41 |
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| kolp | Used for memory-mapped I/O. I.e. you don't read the whole file into memory but just the chunk you want to access | 18:45 |
| kolp | vi____: Check man mmap | 18:45 |
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| vi____ | fuck C::B | 18:56 |
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| vi____ | fucking piece of fucking shit. | 18:56 |
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| vi____ | I will compile it myself. | 18:57 |
| vi____ | From sh. | 18:57 |
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| r00t|home | vi____: xxd or dd or such can easiy be used for patching | 18:59 |
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| juozapas | hi how to disable turning control? after last cssu upgrade it's total mess | 19:15 |
| juozapas | orientation lock doesnt help | 19:15 |
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| niklaus | hello everyone. | 20:06 |
| niklaus | I got a problem: I changed the device lock code on My Nokia N9 and forgot it. That's a bit of a problem! though! I still have SSH access to the device (via the developer account) and can gain root access. Does anyone know how I can reset/disable the device lock from ssh? | 20:08 |
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| kerio | niklaus: you'll probably find more help in #harmattan | 20:09 |
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| niklaus | kerio: thx | 20:12 |
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| ufa | hello :) | 20:18 |
| ufa | I am trying to flahs my n900. but the nokia image page does not seem to work :( | 20:19 |
| ufa | does anyone knows an alternative location? | 20:19 |
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| ufa | I am trying to download the flasher too, but not working too | 20:20 |
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| r00t|home | ufa: the licensing of the nokia images not allow redistribution | 20:25 |
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| FIQ | hmm | 21:15 |
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| FIQ | can I somehow avoid the "hey, you clock is reset, go fix it NAO"-screen? | 21:16 |
| FIQ | if my clock is reset, I'll see that as soon as I startup anyway | 21:16 |
| FIQ | and I really don't like that screen, it just wastes my time with useless junk (at least that's how I see on it :D) | 21:16 |
| FIQ | i believe this thing is called "hildon-welcome" | 21:17 |
| FIQ | might be wrong on that though | 21:17 |
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| vi____ | FIQ, it is called osso-startup-wizard | 21:19 |
| FIQ | oh ok | 21:20 |
| vi____ | FIQ, You can apt-get purge it | 21:20 |
| FIQ | but well... | 21:20 |
| vi____ | but well what. | 21:20 |
| FIQ | ...will my device boot fine afterwards? :P | 21:20 |
| vi____ | dunno. | 21:20 |
| vi____ | Depends how you have made your device! | 21:20 |
| FIQ | I'd rather not TIAS then | 21:20 |
| vi____ | I have removed it from my device. | 21:20 |
| vi____ | WFM | 21:20 |
| vi____ | YMMV | 21:21 |
| FIQ | oh, and it worked fine? | 21:21 |
| vi____ | Yup. | 21:21 |
| FIQ | even on an instance in which it's called (normally)? | 21:21 |
| vi____ | You have to set the clock by hand though. | 21:21 |
| FIQ | yeah ofc | 21:21 |
| FIQ | (not that I would need to do that anyway, it doesn't do it for me) | 21:21 |
| FIQ | *wouldn't | 21:21 |
| vi____ | It works for me. | 21:21 |
| FIQ | hmm | 21:21 |
| FIQ | i'll make a BM backup just in case | 21:22 |
| vi____ | There was some discussion yesterday as to the best ways to replace it. | 21:22 |
| FIQ | i need to do it anyway, was long time ago last time | 21:22 |
| vi____ | I use a zenity dialogue that lets me type in the time/date like: MMDDhhmmYY | 21:22 |
| FIQ | oh another stupidity with this thing | 21:22 |
| vi____ | r00t|home made a rather nice event.d script that used nptime server. | 21:23 |
| FIQ | it lags horribly when setting time/date | 21:23 |
| FIQ | unlike when you do it from the settings menu (why is there 2 different ones anyway??) | 21:23 |
| vi____ | FIQ, Because the osso-startup-wizard is a standalone program that has to run in a raw matchbox session. | 21:24 |
| vi____ | Where as the settings menu one is a settings menu plugin. | 21:24 |
| FIQ | I guess I can live with that explanation | 21:24 |
| r00t|home | <r00t|home> vi____: xxd or dd or such can easiy be used for patching | 21:25 |
| vi____ | I need to write a standalone C program. | 21:25 |
| r00t|home | <r00t|home> wget http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/system-tools/ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-9_armel.deb | 21:25 |
| r00t|home | <r00t|home> vi_: http://pastebin.com/CCuMgLkX | 21:25 |
| r00t|home | <kerio> ohoho, busybox-power has ntpd | 21:26 |
| r00t|home | <kerio> r00t|home: ntpd -dnq -p pool.ntp.org | 21:26 |
| vi____ | FIQ, ^that beauty right there. | 21:26 |
| FIQ | i'm quite happy with the answer to my question, was expecting it to be too tightly bound to the system and render it unbootable if I simply removed it | 21:26 |
| r00t|home | many improvements have been suggested already | 21:26 |
| FIQ | vi_: i'll look into it | 21:27 |
| vi____ | well screendump the stuff r00t just pasted. | 21:27 |
| kerio | FIQ: if removing it makes the system unbootable, then it's a bug | 21:27 |
| kerio | because it's not depended upon by stuff | 21:27 |
| FIQ | kerio: ok :P | 21:27 |
| FIQ | well I did a BM backup anyway | 21:27 |
| FIQ | (i need to do it anyway, was too long ago last time) | 21:27 |
| r00t|home | kerio: DocScrutinizer does NOT agree with such an interpretation | 21:28 |
| FIQ | so let's see | 21:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer is a grumpy old man | 21:29 |
| r00t|home | kerio: he pointed out before that running 'apt-get autoremove' will make your system unbootable | 21:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: :3 | 21:29 |
| FIQ | i do this bm backup, boot maemo, remove this POS, install that deb, then do what exactly with the pasted configuration file? | 21:29 |
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| kerio | r00t|home: it won't, actually | 21:29 |
| kerio | cssu fixed that | 21:29 |
| FIQ | i've actually done that | 21:29 |
| FIQ | w/o an unbootable system | 21:29 |
| r00t|home | FIQ: the file goes in /etc/event.d/ntpdate | 21:29 |
| FIQ | however I heard it broke SIP | 21:29 |
| FIQ | ...which I don't use | 21:29 |
| kerio | FIQ: it used to break SIP | 21:29 |
| r00t|home | FIQ: ah, yes, that | 21:29 |
| FIQ | so essentially it affected me zero | 21:30 |
| kerio | CSSU now "manually installs" the things in the metapackage | 21:30 |
| FIQ | even though it probably broke SIP for me | 21:30 |
| kerio | of course when you remove them, you remove them | 21:30 |
| vi____ | FIQ, you know linux right? | 21:30 |
| kerio | FIQ: it didn't, if you installed cssu beforehand | 21:30 |
| kerio | FIQ: use ntpd from busybox-power, it's easier | 21:30 |
| FIQ | vi_: i'm confident with linux yes | 21:30 |
| FIQ | kerio: hmm ok | 21:30 |
| vi____ | aah. then you will be fine! | 21:30 |
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| kerio | hell, just install an event file for ntpd | 21:31 |
| kerio | it'll fix the time once you connect to the internet | 21:31 |
| kerio | (maybe) | 21:31 |
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| ufa | I am trying to flash my n900. but the nokia download page does not seem to work :( | 21:31 |
| FIQ | kerio: well, I'll most likely set the time manually on boot if i've no internet access :P | 21:32 |
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| FIQ | as I don't like n900 showing weird time | 21:32 |
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| FIQ | (not that manually will set it right on second, but in that case, +/-5min is better than +/-5h | 21:32 |
| FIQ | ) | 21:32 |
| kerio | FIQ: i just don't see how it's slower to set it from the worldclock | 21:32 |
| kerio | or from xterm | 21:33 |
| vi____ | or put a zenity dialogue in xsession.post | 21:33 |
| FIQ | there we go, bm done | 21:33 |
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| kerio | vi____: why? | 21:34 |
| kerio | the system is booted at that point, every damage done by the date has been done already | 21:34 |
| vi____ | kerio, not the damage to my face. | 21:35 |
| vi____ | where I see it is 00:00 | 21:35 |
| FIQ | hm | 21:36 |
| FIQ | the purge was semi-successful | 21:36 |
| vi____ | semi? | 21:36 |
| FIQ | it didn't purge properly, as it failed to remove /var/lib/osso-startup-wizard/ | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | purge is nonsense | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to purge the packages to fix the initscript | 21:37 |
| FIQ | should be safe to just remove the directory I guess | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither is it warranted that purging will fix the initscript for you | 21:37 |
| FIQ | (and the file within) | 21:37 |
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| vi____ | FIQ, alternativley you could just comment out the starting of the osso-startup-wizard in the Xsession.d scripts. | 21:39 |
| FIQ | oh you say that now... :p | 21:39 |
| FIQ | i've already removed it | 21:39 |
| FIQ | but well, as that line would just throw an error, I guess I can comment it out anyway | 21:39 |
| vi____ | It makes no difference. | 21:39 |
| FIQ | so let's see here | 21:40 |
| vi____ | what line? | 21:40 |
| FIQ | s/line/part/ | 21:40 |
| FIQ | Anyway | 21:41 |
| FIQ | osso-startup-wizard removed, now to install busybox-power | 21:41 |
| FIQ | and make ntpd autostart with the pasted script | 21:42 |
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| FIQ | http://pastebin.com/CCuMgLkX hm | 21:43 |
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| kerio | FIQ: we need some testing though | 21:45 |
| kerio | boot with the time set to 2000 01 01 00 00 and then start busybox's ntpd | 21:45 |
| FIQ | does busybox-power need a reboot..? | 21:45 |
| kerio | see if the time is eventually fixed | 21:45 |
| kerio | FIQ: no | 21:45 |
| FIQ | well I started a new shell and it still reported old (vanilla) version of busybox | 21:45 |
| FIQ | i'll see if I did something wrong | 21:46 |
| FIQ | ah, guess I misread the startup text.. w/e | 21:47 |
| kerio | are you sure there wasn't a -power? :) | 21:47 |
| kerio | heh | 21:47 |
| vi____ | does anyone know of a irc room that is for C coding enthusiasts? | 21:47 |
| kerio | ##c maybe | 21:48 |
| FIQ | however there seems to be no ntpd.. | 21:48 |
| vi____ | Cannot join ##c (You are banned). | 21:48 |
| FIQ | "ntpd: not found.", and "help" (I don't use busybox normally but I think it echoes every known busybox command) doesn't mention it | 21:49 |
| FIQ | vi_: grats | 21:49 |
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| FIQ | errr nvm I'm tired | 21:50 |
| FIQ | busybox simply refused to give meaningful errors, that's all | 21:50 |
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| FIQ | http://pastebin.com/0TVGCH5d in /etc/event.d/ntpd is what I want, right? | 21:52 |
| FIQ | did small modification to the pastebinned script earlier as it mentioned ntpdate instead of simply ntpd | 21:52 |
| FIQ | @ vi_ | 21:53 |
| kerio | FIQ: ntpd is in sbin | 21:53 |
| FIQ | yes | 21:53 |
| kerio | FIQ: first, always specify full paths | 21:53 |
| FIQ | well, the previous script didn't, but ok :) | 21:54 |
| kerio | the previous script didn't use stuff in /usr/sbin i think | 21:54 |
| kerio | anyway | 21:54 |
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| kerio | FIQ: use quotes around your tests | 21:54 |
| kerio | FIQ: also easier, start ntpd on started hal or something like that as a daemon | 21:55 |
| kerio | (tell it to not daemonize ofc) | 21:55 |
| kerio | i mean, it's the network time protocol daemon | 21:56 |
| FIQ | hm | 21:56 |
| kerio | test if it actually adjusts the time, though | 21:57 |
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| FIQ | btw vi____: *__*!*@* <-- is the reason for your ban | 21:59 |
| vi____ | I do not get it?? | 21:59 |
| FIQ | @ ##c | 21:59 |
| vi____ | I cannot help it if people keep stealing my nick | 21:59 |
| FIQ | well, just saying | 21:59 |
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| FIQ | kerio: sorry, but I don't follow "started hal" (mostly because I don't know what you mean with hal) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<FIQ> oh you say that now... :p)) I said it a few minutes before | 22:00 |
| OxFFFF | noted | 22:00 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: guess I missed it | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: it's your e-peen | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *__* | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | regex for +b | 22:02 |
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| OxFFFF | DocScrutinizer05, I am over here 0/ | 22:03 |
| OxFFFF | ugh. | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: lrn2nickserv | 22:04 |
| OxFFFF | what is the C equivalent of fscanf? | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a nice useful command called GHOST | 22:04 |
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| tadzik | OxFFFF: uh, fscanf(3)? | 22:05 |
| FIQ | hmmmmm | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /msg nickserv id vi_ <password>; /msg nickserv ghost vi_; /nick vi_ | 22:06 |
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| FIQ | so what exactly does maemo do if you set it in y2k38-wrapping time | 22:06 |
| FIQ | I suppose it.. wrap | 22:06 |
| FIQ | but would be interesting to see how hildon stuff reacted to it | 22:06 |
| OxFFFF | y2k bug! | 22:06 |
| OxFFFF | Equinox fail! | 22:07 |
| FIQ | y2k38 is an actual issue though, unlike y2k | 22:07 |
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| FIQ | which mainly failed visibly | 22:07 |
| FIQ | and some minor fails here and there due to people insisting on storing it in a 2-digit number | 22:07 |
| FIQ | storing years in 2-digit when you're at the end of a millenium isn't really long-term huh | 22:08 |
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| FIQ | hmmmmm | 22:08 |
| FIQ | while I do have a ntpd running now that I started phone, it seems to not do much | 22:10 |
| r00t|home | (which is why i prefer ntpdate ;) ) | 22:10 |
| FIQ | is there any actual differences? | 22:11 |
| r00t|home | FIQ: note that the menubar clock widget will NOT immediately update when the time is set | 22:11 |
| FIQ | apart from possibly command-line options and such | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: ntpd has a guard window, which disables time adjusts of >60s or sth | 22:11 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: yeah I know about this one | 22:11 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: kerio already checked that that is not the case with busybox | 22:12 |
| FIQ | (i think it's bigger than this though) | 22:12 |
| OxFFFF | FIQ, clock will only update after you un/lock the screen/wait 30s. | 22:12 |
| FIQ | well I've waited 3min now :P | 22:12 |
| OxFFFF | then is has failed! | 22:12 |
| FIQ | and it ticks nicely on 00:0x | 22:12 |
| FIQ | but ntpd appears in ps list.. | 22:12 |
| kerio | FIQ: ok, stop ntpd and restart it | 22:12 |
| FIQ | so it's definitely started | 22:12 |
| FIQ | kerio: i'll try | 22:12 |
| kerio | it did work for me, i swear! :( | 22:12 |
| kerio | to be fair i only checked for a handful of hours of offset | 22:13 |
| kerio | perhaps 12 years is too much | 22:13 |
| FIQ | i changed in gui | 22:13 |
| FIQ | so i could only offset it 3 years :( | 22:13 |
| kerio | FIQ: change it with date, then restart ntpd | 22:13 |
| FIQ | i'll try to start ntpd from commandline w/o changing with date first | 22:14 |
| FIQ | to prevent ambiguos error reasons | 22:14 |
| kerio | no, change the date and then start ntpd | 22:14 |
| FIQ | ok.. | 22:14 |
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| FIQ | huh | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: uhuh | 22:17 |
| FIQ | kerio: ntpd only supports -dSs | 22:18 |
| kerio | FIQ: are you sure you don't have openntpd installed? | 22:18 |
| kerio | :) | 22:18 |
| FIQ | "usage: ntpd [-dSs] [-f file] | 22:18 |
| FIQ | kerio: maaaaybe | 22:18 |
| kerio | that's why i specified "ntpd from busybox-power" | 22:18 |
| kerio | ok actually i didn't specify it now | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM | 22:18 |
| FIQ | yeah i know | 22:18 |
| FIQ | i just forgot that I also had openntpd | 22:19 |
| kerio | FIQ: btw you have to reinstall busybox-power after removing openntpd | 22:19 |
| kerio | it's the easiest way to recreate all the possible symlinks | 22:19 |
| FIQ | because they both have /usr/sbin/ntpd.. | 22:19 |
| FIQ | shouldn't they conflict? | 22:19 |
| kerio | busybox-power creates its symlinks in postinst, if they don't exist already | 22:20 |
| FIQ | (the packages, that is) | 22:20 |
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| kerio | and it removes the symlinks in prerm, only if they are symlinks to busybox | 22:20 |
| kerio | FIQ: nope, busybox-power will never overwrite installed stuff | 22:20 |
| kerio | and i think that dpkg will just silently remove the symlink and install its files | 22:21 |
| FIQ | it just let other stuff take priority | 22:21 |
| FIQ | I suppose? | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get ntpdate, add `sleep 30; ntpdate && hwclock --systohc` zo ifup | 22:21 |
| FIQ | kerio: now I got actual usage info | 22:21 |
| FIQ | let's try to just reboot phone | 22:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ntpd -dnq -p europe.pool.ntp.org && hwclock --systohc | 22:21 |
| FIQ | to see if ntpd does stuff right this time | 22:21 |
| kerio | FIQ: how are you resetting the clock, btw? | 22:22 |
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| FIQ | you mean normally? | 22:22 |
| OxFFFF | I liked kerio solution, put the line in ifup.post | 22:22 |
| FIQ | i switch batteries | 22:22 |
| kerio | heh, silly people with a non-working backup battery | 22:22 |
| FIQ | meh | 22:22 |
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| FIQ | reboot time | 22:23 |
| r00t|home | kerio: silly nokia installing backup batteries that die that early | 22:23 |
| FIQ | kerio: I switch batteries as fast as possible | 22:24 |
| FIQ | having the other one ready in <1s | 22:24 |
| FIQ | sometimes I don't get reset clock | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: silly hitachi that bulds such crap | 22:24 |
| FIQ | if I'm lucky... | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seiko? | 22:24 |
| kerio | FIQ: on my old n900, i used to just lift the old one a bit, start sliding the new one under, then remove the old one and put the new one in | 22:24 |
| FIQ | haha | 22:24 |
| kerio | less than half a second, never had the clock reset :D | 22:24 |
| FIQ | that's what I'm doing, precisely | 22:24 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: are there any reports of people successfully replacing the backup battery? (somebody suggested to ask you) | 22:24 |
| FIQ | it *usually* works | 22:25 |
| FIQ | sometimes I'm too slow | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: yes, some users did | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 22:25 |
| infobot | bupbat is, like, http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months | 22:25 |
| FIQ | uh | 22:25 |
| FIQ | ... | 22:25 |
| FIQ | kerio: Now ntpd just did something confusing | 22:25 |
| kerio | haha | 22:26 |
| FIQ | before, I had time set at 2000-01-01 00:0x | 22:26 |
| FIQ | Now it's at 1970-01-01 01:01 | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd is not the right thing for mobile devices with intermittent connectivity | 22:26 |
| FIQ | i.e. seconds after unix epoch | 22:26 |
| kerio | i think it's ossosuw that sets it to 2000 | 22:26 |
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| FIQ | kerio: basically it did something, but it didn't do it right | 22:27 |
| OxFFFF | kerio, surely RTC chip resets to 2000 | 22:27 |
| FIQ | also | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and usually ntpd config has localhost (== cmos clock) as lower prio startum | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stratum* | 22:27 |
| kerio | OxFFFF: your username deeply upsets me | 22:27 |
| FIQ | when battery dies, time's set at 2009-01-01 06:00 for me | 22:27 |
| kerio | FIQ: that's definetely osso-startup-wizard | 22:27 |
| FIQ | (if that's what you're discussing) | 22:27 |
| FIQ | kerio: ah | 22:28 |
| FIQ | well, dunno what happens *now* | 22:28 |
| FIQ | now that I don't have it | 22:28 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: some docs on doing the replacment aswell? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unsolder old part, solder new one | 22:28 |
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| r00t|home | <kerio> open n900, remove battery, put in new battery, ??? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest either using two soldering irons in parallel, or shove some paper or tin/alu foil under the contact you are just desoldering | 22:29 |
| OxFFFF | r00t|home, replace with double layer electrolytic supercap. | 22:29 |
| OxFFFF | kerio, I am vi | 22:30 |
| OxFFFF | they come in 0.07uF | 22:30 |
| OxFFFF | But most are obsolete. | 22:30 |
| kerio | OxFFFF: your username still upsets me | 22:30 |
| r00t|home | i just read that as: 0xFFFFuF | 22:30 |
| OxFFFF | EAT IT | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | me too | 22:30 |
| kerio | OxFFFF: IT'S NOT A REAL HEX NUMBER | 22:30 |
| kerio | IT'S NOT A REAL ZERO | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and capslock upsets me too | 22:31 |
| kerio | indeed! | 22:31 |
| OxFFFF | I am not allowed a zero. | 22:31 |
| OxFFFF | At the start of the nick. | 22:31 |
| kerio | but it's not capslock, i was holding shift | 22:31 |
| kerio | i disabled capslock | 22:31 |
| FIQ | hmm | 22:31 |
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| FIQ | still doesn't work | 22:32 |
| * OxDEADBEEF ? | 22:32 | |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: the mouser catalog url on infobot is broken (redirects to /catalogrequest/catalog.aspx) | 22:32 |
| FIQ | (also, battery out, battery in = time is 2000-01-01 01:00 for me) | 22:32 |
| FIQ | probably as I'm on cet | 22:32 |
| OxDEADBEEF | kerio, is this better? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: meh, you're welcome to find a better not outdated URL | 22:32 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: i can't without knowing what the content of the original url was | 22:33 |
| FIQ | OxABADBABE @ OxDEADBEEF | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/phttp://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5Ras414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R | 22:33 |
| kerio | vi, wat r u doin | 22:34 |
| OxBEEFBEEF | I am trying to find a new name | 22:34 |
| kerio | vi, stahp | 22:34 |
| FIQ | kerio: ok, so the problem lies in autostart thingy | 22:34 |
| FIQ | because I tried to start ntpd manually | 22:35 |
| FIQ | worked just fine | 22:35 |
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| FIQ | (also, the 1970 nonsense wasn't caused by ntpd apparently, I guess that I just produced a malformed dateset) | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: the problem lies in ntpd, it doesn't work on machines with intermittent connectivity | 22:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, i wonder if we can abuse upstart's respawn to launch the appropriate magic command every x time | 22:36 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: so are you suggesting me to download that package that anyone suggested from the beginning? | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: ntpd in daemon (11min) mode is BS for whacky internet | 22:37 |
| FIQ | (a version of ntpdate) | 22:37 |
| kerio | FIQ: ntpdate or ntpd oneshot is the same | 22:37 |
| FIQ | [21:25:51] <r00t|home> <r00t|home> wget http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/nokia770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/system-tools/ntpdate_4.2.0a+stable-9_armel.deb | 22:37 |
| FIQ | i.e. this | 22:37 |
| kerio | doc's objection lies in ntpd in daemon mode | 22:37 |
| vi_ | ntp is suitable for one-shot mode. | 22:37 |
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| kerio | anyway, my phone booted with osso-startup-wizard purged | 22:38 |
| * gomiam cries... I'm unable to bring my n900 back to life. | 22:38 | |
| gomiam | ok, I'm not really crying, but it is annoying | 22:38 |
| FIQ | gomiam: what happened? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add `sleep 30; ntpdate && hwclock --systohc` zo ifup | 22:38 |
| tadzik | consider describing your problem :) | 22:38 |
| vi_ | have you flashed it? | 22:38 |
| FIQ | n900 can be resurrected (assuing no hw problem) with usb | 22:38 |
| kerio | gomiam: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mck6jbduSs1r96x1xo1_400.png | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where ntpdate == ntpd -d iirc | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for *some* flavours of ntpd | 22:39 |
| gomiam | well, I bought this second hand N900 and found out it dropped the GSM card connection randomly. | 22:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ntpd -q | 22:39 |
| kerio | gomiam: ouch | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 22:39 |
| FIQ | ntpd -d is daemonization IIRC | 22:39 |
| FIQ | -q is just "set time and quit" | 22:39 |
| kerio | FIQ: it's actually "don't daemonize" afaik | 22:39 |
| FIQ | kerio: oh, so the opposite :D | 22:39 |
| kerio | gomiam: it could be a hardware problem | 22:40 |
| kerio | it's a common fault, and there's no known fix :( | 22:40 |
| kerio | gomiam: have you tried using a different, *new* sim? | 22:40 |
| kerio | checking the contacts? | 22:40 |
| kerio | reflashing? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng ntpd is missing ntpdate's option to just *display* nettime | 22:40 |
| gomiam | so I decided to reflash it. I downloaded everything, ran flasher-3.5 (kind of) successfully from Windows 7 64 bit... and that's all she wrote. | 22:40 |
| vi_ | pentium 4 laptop with tiny battery==utter bs. | 22:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ntpd -w | 22:40 |
| kerio | -wDo not set time (only query peers), implies -n (do not daemonize) | 22:41 |
| vi_ | gomiam, Step 1. Dont use win 7. An update has rendered it broken. | 22:41 |
| FIQ | gomiam: i had the issue you had earlier, turned out it was my sim (it was ~5 years old) | 22:41 |
| gomiam | I have just tried the back-to-back root/emmc flash method to see if it would work from Knoppix 32 bits | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pfff that's 'new' | 22:41 |
| vi_ | gomiam, Step 2. Use linux. | 22:41 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: well it failed anyway | 22:41 |
| gomiam | and... it still gets in an endless boot loop. | 22:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "stupid developers fixed my problem" | 22:41 |
| kerio | gomiam: you flashed it incorrectly | 22:41 |
| kerio | or it has a serious hw problem | 22:41 |
| FIQ | went to a reseller of my operator, requested replacement, got one that was due to activate in ½h, worked flawlessy | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: eh? | 22:41 |
| vi_ | gomiam, use linux | 22:42 |
| FIQ | unusually seamless "repair" for me | 22:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's the problem if it's a new thing? | 22:42 |
| * fil notes that wifieye no longer shows me any stations, despite iwlist seeing stations -- is this a power kernel thing, or is it just coincidence that I recently installed that? | 22:42 | |
| vi_ | we should really roll an n900 'flashing' distro. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that it's not an old thing | 22:42 |
| gomiam | I get this message when trying to flash the root (among other things): ERROR: EP0 STALL sent | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a stupid question | 22:42 |
| vi_ | Base it on something like gparted, include the pr1.3 firmware files. | 22:42 |
| kerio | vi_: NO REDIST!1!1 | 22:42 |
| gomiam | hold on, I'm putting it all in pastebin so you can read it yourselves if you wish | 22:43 |
| vi_ | kerio, IDGAF about nokia license. | 22:43 |
| kerio | it's in the eula that you have to mindlessly click through to download the fiasco images | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the obvious problem is that my objection been correct for the last ~5 years | 22:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but it's not correct anymore! :D | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the devels still are morons | 22:43 |
| gomiam | http://pastebin.ca/2289114 | 22:43 |
| Sicelo | fil: wfm. | 22:44 |
| gomiam | as you can see, the rootfs flash proceeds correctly... until it tries to flash cmt-mcusw | 22:44 |
| fil | vi_: would it be worth knocking up some udebs so that one could do that from debian-installer? | 22:44 |
| kerio | gomiam: signs point to hardware fault, sadly | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: cmt hw defect | 22:44 |
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| kerio | unfixable unless you have a reflow station, afaik | 22:45 |
| FIQ | I couldn't follow kerio's advice on fixing the shellscript completely, but http://pastebin.com/BF8KUty8 is what I have atm | 22:45 |
| gomiam | I read about someone using a heat gun to bring it back to life... is that even possible? | 22:45 |
| fil | oh typical -- stupid proprietary license pain | 22:45 |
| FIQ | something is most likely rendurant | 22:45 |
| kerio | gomiam: are you an EE? | 22:45 |
| FIQ | i.e. line 7 part | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: yes, possible. with extreme luck and much experience | 22:45 |
| gomiam | kerio: no, but I have access to a few :) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: also see what kerio posted | 22:46 |
| FIQ | someone willing to help me fix that ^, as i'm pretty bad on commandline-fu? :p | 22:46 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: yup, checking on reflow stations right now | 22:46 |
| FIQ | brb | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? for buying one? | 22:46 |
| vi_ | just slap it in your oven at 220 degrees for 10 minutes. | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll get ~20 new N900 for that money | 22:47 |
| vi_ | Job done. | 22:47 |
| kerio | vi_: stahp | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: stop telling BS | 22:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hopefully he's checking his accessible engineers | 22:47 |
| gomiam | kerio: mostly :) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: check reflow profile allowed for most of the components. also check which components are hand assembled and not reflow-able at all | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: and consider this is a doublesided PCB | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a little luck your upper side looks brilliant after that procedure, while the bottom side is suddebly empty | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-P | 22:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just put the correct side in the oven, duh | 22:49 |
| vi_ | yeah, that would suck. | 22:49 |
| gomiam | kerio: LOL | 22:50 |
| vi_ | put a sacrificial n900 underneath duh. | 22:50 |
| gomiam | it seems air soldering rework stations are quite cheap... I need to ask around and see if someon I know has something like that | 22:50 |
| gomiam | in any case, getting back to the flash procedure | 22:51 |
| vi_ | gomiam, USE LINUX | 22:51 |
| gomiam | is it normal that the rootfs flash procedure finishes (even if it complains about cmt) | 22:51 |
| vi_ | gomiam, The best shareware OS available. | 22:51 |
| kerio | gomiam: what's not normal is that it doesn't work afterwards | 22:51 |
| kerio | even with a nonworking cmt | 22:52 |
| gomiam | vi_: I'm on Linux right now, and I'm using it for reflashing... unsuccessfully. | 22:52 |
| vi_ | aah | 22:52 |
| gomiam | kerio: the real problem comes when I try to flash the eMMC | 22:52 |
| vi_ | There is a flag in flasher that lets you ignore CMTcheck. | 22:52 |
| vi_ | Also, you can tell flasher to ONLY flash rootfs image. | 22:52 |
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| kerio | gomiam: it doesn't really appear to be finished | 22:52 |
| vi_ | So if you have the stock kernel flashed you can simply --flash-only=rootfs.img | 22:53 |
| vi_ | or something | 22:53 |
| kerio | yep, --cmt-no-verify | 22:53 |
| kerio | gomiam: make sure you don't boot inbetween the two images | 22:53 |
| gomiam | when I start flashing the eMMC (I'm going to try with --cmt-no-verify in a jiffy) | 22:53 |
| gomiam | the phone reboots automatically and disappears from the USB devices... at least as far as flasher is concerned | 22:54 |
| vi_ | when flashing emmc image, you do not need cmt no verify | 22:54 |
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| gomiam | hold on a few seconds while I try to flash the rootfs with --cmr-no-verify | 22:54 |
| gomiam | erm, cmt | 22:54 |
| vi_ | gomiam, You are doing flasher3.5 -F <YOURFLASHFILEHERE> -f | 22:54 |
| vi_ | right... | 22:54 |
| vi_ | no -R | 22:54 |
| gomiam | vi_: exactly | 22:54 |
| vi_ | good | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant | 22:55 |
| gomiam | yes, I'm afraid that had to do with my original problem. I probably added a -R in the beginning when I shouldn't | 22:55 |
| gomiam | anyway, testing this new option | 22:55 |
| kerio | remove battery, enter commandline to flash COMBINED without -R, hold u, put battery in, wait for flash to finish, remove battery, enter commandline to flash VANILLA without -R, hold U, put battery in, wait for finish, remove battery, enter commandline to flash COMBINED without -R, hold U, put battery in, wait for finish, remove battery, unplug everything, put battery in, turn on | 22:55 |
| kerio | and use --cmt-no-verify | 22:56 |
| gomiam | kerio: I have tried that unsuccessfully too. Then again, I may have tried it incorrectly, so I will try again | 22:56 |
| kerio | but accept the fact that the phone part of your n900 is fucked | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:56 |
| gomiam | thanks everyone for your help so far | 22:56 |
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| kerio | and agps will also be fucked, so expect fix times in the order of minutes | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gps is borked | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TTFF -><infinite> | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if cmt is deaf for flashing, it won't reply as usual to GPS inquiries | 22:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPS chip is connected to BB5 | 22:58 |
| kerio | can't you disable agps? | 22:58 |
| kerio | like, from the GUI | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, so what? | 22:58 |
| kerio | oh, it'll still check, i see | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the GPS chip is wired to BB5 | 22:58 |
| kerio | hmm... doesn't stopping sscd do the same thing as a borked cmt, pretty much? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what got supplementary service code daemon to do with it? | 22:59 |
| kerio | it makes a cute "no sim" icon! :3 | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osso-paint can do that too | 23:00 |
| gomiam | Ok, battery off, start up rootfs flash with --cmt-no-verify (and no -R), complains and ends. | 23:00 |
| kerio | hm | 23:00 |
| kerio | :( | 23:00 |
| gomiam | battery off again, I start up eMMC flash, and it recognizes the device for a moment before it starts booting up and gets "lost" | 23:01 |
| gomiam | http://pastebin.ca/2289123 for more details | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed :(, for fuzzy problem description | 23:01 |
| kerio | gomiam: are you sure you're still holding u? | 23:01 |
| gomiam | kerio: certainly | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery empty | 23:02 |
| kerio | anyway, you won't be able to flash VANILLA without a working rootfs | 23:02 |
| vi_ | Invalid argument for 'cmt' | 23:02 |
| gomiam | kerio: ouch. And if I read the instructions correctly, I can't get a working rootfs without a proper VANILLA. | 23:02 |
| vi_ | are you sure you got the cmt-no verify correct? | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | fil; wifieye randomly does one or all of the following: stops finding wlans, jacks up power consumption, leaves itself running and constantly scanning for wifi networks even if main window is closed | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh! | 23:03 |
| FIQ | gomiam: correct | 23:03 |
| kerio | gomiam: nah, you don't need *that* working of a rootfs :) | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Bootloader error log follows: | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ERROR: Invalid argument for 'cmt' | 23:03 |
| FIQ | but that's no problem | 23:03 |
| kerio | gomiam: basically, you need to flash COMBINED before VANILLA to be sure | 23:03 |
| FIQ | you just flash rootfs, make unbootable n900, flash emmc, then rootfs again | 23:03 |
| vi_ | ffs | 23:03 |
| gomiam | FIQ: "make unbootable n900"... please elaborate your thoughts | 23:03 |
| vi_ | --flash-only=rootfs.img or sometghing. | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: incorrect | 23:03 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: hmm ok | 23:04 |
| kerio | vi_: --flash-only=rootfs actually | 23:04 |
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| vi_ | gomiam, ^ what he said | 23:04 |
| FIQ | oh well, i'm tired | 23:04 |
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| gomiam | testing with --flash-only=rootfs | 23:04 |
| fil | ShadowJK: ah, ok -- ta | 23:04 |
| kerio | gomiam: you can do it separately with nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs, cmt | 23:04 |
| kerio | of course cmt will fail for you | 23:04 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if you can tell it to flash more things at once | 23:04 |
| vi_ | assuming you had stock kernel installed, that should work. | 23:05 |
| kerio | gomiam: when flashing from COMBINED, you don't have to reboot between each thing | 23:05 |
| gomiam | kerio: I'm not. I'm removing the battery once the program gets back to command line | 23:05 |
| vi_ | did it work | 23:06 |
| kerio | i mean when using --flash-only | 23:06 |
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| gomiam | --flash-only=rootfs worked. | 23:06 |
| gomiam | at least it didn't complain | 23:06 |
| kerio | gomiam: do it for kernel too | 23:06 |
| gomiam | proceeding | 23:06 |
| * ShadowJK would think just flashing rootfs makes bootable N900 as long as emmc partitions aren't in any half-broken state | 23:07 | |
| kerio | nolo has been flashed successfully, initfs isn't needed, cmt won't work for you | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then do eMMC | 23:07 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: in theory, yes :) | 23:07 |
| gomiam | flashing correct | 23:07 |
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| gomiam | proceeding to eMMC | 23:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if he's careful about not even half booting in the middle, he doesn't need to flash rootfs again, right? | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | right | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 23:07 |
| gomiam | should I remove the battery again before flashing eMMC? | 23:07 |
| fil | is there any way of discovering what wifieye is upset about? (do errors get sent anywhere useful, like .xsession-errors, say?) | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: try without, if it doesn't work, remove battery | 23:08 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: thanks. Starting eMMC flash run... | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | The constraint is: never-booted rootfs must exist after emmc has been flashed | 23:08 |
| FIQ | gomiam: at least you have a working USB... | 23:08 |
| gomiam | flashing proceeds! Yay! Let's see how it ends :) | 23:09 |
| FIQ | nice :) | 23:09 |
| FIQ | gomiam: did the device boot before eMMC flash and after rootfs flash? | 23:09 |
| FIQ | (every kind of boot counts) | 23:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: going back to the gps problem - shouldn't it be the same as a missing SIM? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: meh, if device doesn't boot, just reflash rootfs again | 23:10 |
| kerio | ie it has no agps but it eventually gets a fix? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the gps chip is attached to cmt BB5 | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn! | 23:10 |
| gomiam | FIQ: nope. When I flashed only rootfs and kernel it kept waiting, and when I started eMMC flashing it booted, but it is supposed to do that, I guess, because this time the VANILLA flash finished successfully from flasher's POV | 23:10 |
| gomiam | Now I should remove the battery and see if it starts, right? | 23:11 |
| kerio | gomiam: yep | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if BB5 is zombie state, how would it proxy GPS info | 23:11 |
| FIQ | gomiam: yes | 23:11 |
| gomiam | proceeding. | 23:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oic | 23:11 |
| kerio | well, it's a shame :( | 23:11 |
| fil | oh, I see -- it's spewing python errors | 23:11 |
| FIQ | also is there a way to confirm broken gps? | 23:11 |
| kerio | FIQ: go outside, gpsrecorder or gpsjinni | 23:12 |
| FIQ | mine has stalled on "waiting" infinite time since uh | 23:12 |
| FIQ | a while ago | 23:12 |
| FIQ | (~a year) | 23:12 |
| gomiam | it gets to the dots running right and left... | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wait! | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait some more! | 23:13 |
| FIQ | gomiam: it's rather slow first boot | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait....! | 23:13 |
| FIQ | very slow tbh, I even though it got stuck the first time | 23:13 |
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| FIQ | but then I forgot about the phone and started a game, and before i got to start it proper, it was done :p | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to hook up fastcharger right now | 23:13 |
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| FIQ | btw | 23:13 |
| gomiam | I get the telephony functions disabled message which is encouraging | 23:14 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: what happens if there's a power outage on first boot? | 23:14 |
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| kerio | FIQ: madness | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | undefined | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mess | 23:14 |
| * gomiam keeps waiting patiently for MAemo to get its act together... | 23:14 | |
| FIQ | it would be slightly frustrating for me if I got that after successfully reflashing recently... | 23:14 |
| kerio | afaik there's *something* regarding graceful failure during updates | 23:15 |
| FIQ | like "grats, you did it, only took an hour! now do it again!" | 23:15 |
| kerio | not sure what happens during firstboot though | 23:15 |
| gomiam | while waiting, a small offtopic question: have you ever dealt with an Always Innovating Smart Book? | 23:15 |
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| gomiam | (this MID device you could pop into a screen to turn it into a pad, which you could slot into a keyboard to turn it into a netbook? | 23:16 |
| kerio | gomiam: looks overly complicated | 23:16 |
| gomiam | kerio: it does at that, but it also had four Linux distros from start :) | 23:16 |
| kerio | neat | 23:17 |
| FIQ | I have not | 23:17 |
| gomiam | I'm asking because the company stopped selling them and they won't answer to any queries about remaining stock | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: you attached fastcharger? | 23:17 |
| FIQ | but seeing it reminds me of asus transformer | 23:17 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: no. I just have this battery that I charged before starting all this. | 23:18 |
| FIQ | which I'm considering getting, but haven't yet | 23:18 |
| kerio | gomiam: attach it, just to be sure :) | 23:18 |
| gomiam | FIQ: actually, the Asus Transformer reminds me of this thing... but less flexible. Always Innovating's product was on the market before Asus' one, anyway | 23:18 |
| gomiam | kerio: WILCO | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw firstboot should be done with no PC attached | 23:19 |
| FIQ | i don't see the point in pads, sure they have some adventages, but it feels a bit too nisched | 23:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why, what happens otherwise? :o | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ass rage mode would possibly interfere | 23:19 |
| FIQ | transformer combines netbook and pad nicely, which made me consider it | 23:19 |
| FIQ | would rather get one that came with a better os though.. | 23:19 |
| gomiam | aaaand... it plays the Nokia startup tune! | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and generally it introduces unneeded complexity and points of failure | 23:19 |
| kerio | FIQ: i don't get this fixation with tablets, really | 23:20 |
| * gomiam does little victory dance... and the neighbours below complain. | 23:20 | |
| kerio | gomiam: yay ^_^ | 23:20 |
| FIQ | kerio: I don't get the hype of pads at all | 23:20 |
| FIQ | but I can see they be decent in some situations.. but they're few | 23:20 |
| kerio | heh, we don't really have to tell gomiam to uninstall cherry ASAP | 23:20 |
| FIQ | haha :P | 23:20 |
| gomiam | ok, setting options and checking but, for the time being, THANKS A LOT | 23:21 |
| kerio | YOU'RE WELCOME | 23:21 |
| gomiam | no, I'm gomiam :P | 23:21 |
| FIQ | (gomiam: fyi, cherry is my-nokia thing, which is obligatory premium SMS giving "support") | 23:21 |
| FIQ | in case you wondered | 23:21 |
| gomiam | I will ask around to see if someone has a new SIM card I can play around with | 23:22 |
| FIQ | hmm | 23:22 |
| FIQ | well | 23:22 |
| kerio | gomiam: forget about it, your cmt is toast | 23:22 |
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| FIQ | if SIM card was the issue, then cmt would flash fine | 23:22 |
| kerio | not being able to flash cmt is *the* telltale sign | 23:22 |
| FIQ | yeah | 23:22 |
| kerio | dammit FIQ | 23:22 |
| gomiam | ouch... | 23:22 |
| FIQ | gomiam: enjoy your upgraded N810, pretty much :| | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we seen cmt "segfault" on fsckdup SIM | 23:22 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: then, sim removal should work | 23:23 |
| FIQ | no? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:23 |
| gomiam | FIQ: will do XD at least it lets me browse some webpages that bork on my N800 (slashdot, I'm looking at you) | 23:23 |
| kerio | and it would flash nicely | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if gomiam has no SIM inserted right now, he got a defect cmt | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it's worth removing SIM | 23:23 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: no SIM right now, correct. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then sorry, dude | 23:23 |
| FIQ | then cmt = defect | 23:24 |
| FIQ | (not literally, mind you) | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless.... | 23:24 |
| gomiam | tsch... I will ask around and see if someone manages to "resolder" it | 23:24 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: ? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please check your OS version, in settings "about product" | 23:24 |
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| gomiam | chekcing | 23:24 |
| gomiam | 20.2010.36-2 | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no 'luck' | 23:25 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: now you remind me of v1.0 issue with certain SIM cards | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | correct "firmware version" | 23:25 |
| kerio | huh... | 23:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wait, what? | 23:25 |
| FIQ | (I happened to have one of the SIMs that didn't work) | 23:25 |
| kerio | it should be 21.2011.38-1, shouldn't it | 23:25 |
| FIQ | kerio: no | 23:25 |
| FIQ | gomiam has PR1.3 | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmt PR1.3 won't flash with fiasco 1.1 | 23:25 |
| FIQ | that is 1.3.1 | 23:25 |
| kerio | oic | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 23:26 |
| gomiam | is there a newer version? | 23:26 |
| kerio | gomiam: anyway, upgrade to pr 1.3.1 with HAM | 23:26 |
| FIQ | gomiam: you want cssu | 23:26 |
| kerio | then install cssu-something | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, yours is the most recent one | 23:26 |
| FIQ | kerio: that isn't needed | 23:26 |
| gomiam | ok, proceeding to update the hell out of it. | 23:26 |
| FIQ | cssu installs on 1.3 | 23:26 |
| kerio | gomiam: you have the latest version of the fiasco images | 23:26 |
| kerio | there's a community thing for updates, but it's only post-flash | 23:26 |
| FIQ | I'm still surprised that nokia even did 1.3.1 | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:27 |
| FIQ | was there any contract or anything saying "end of support: XXXXX"? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since the DGAF about vulnerabilities in flash | 23:28 |
| FIQ | because that would be the only reason I see for nokia to do such thing | 23:28 |
| kerio | FIQ: meh, ssl brokenness is a big deal | 23:28 |
| FIQ | kerio: what about the other vulnerabilities? | 23:28 |
| FIQ | and the other cert issue creeping up after a while? :p | 23:28 |
| FIQ | (they didn't do a pr1.3.2 for it) | 23:28 |
| kerio | i guess they stopped caring | 23:28 |
| * gomiam connected to local wifi... | 23:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we all thought the had done before | 23:29 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what gps software shows "waiting" forever, if it's ovi maps, give up, because it cycles gps on and off like some adhd person | 23:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: you could try dialing '*#0000#' in dialer | 23:30 |
| FIQ | ShadowJK: yeah, ovi maps | 23:30 |
| FIQ | but i wouldn't be surprised if it was ovi maps issue | 23:30 |
| FIQ | it never worked any good | 23:30 |
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| FIQ | therefore I asked in here for a proper way to check if gps worked | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | It basically switches off gps sooner than theoretical worst case cold start minimum time required to first fix in ideal conditons, so.. | 23:31 |
| FIQ | .. | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: I have no clue what it will show for you, I only know it *should* show OS version | 23:31 |
| FIQ | well | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | gpsjinni, location test | 23:31 |
| FIQ | the only reason I consider gps broken at all is that ovi maps at least worked before | 23:32 |
| kerio | FIQ: gpsrecorder | 23:32 |
| FIQ | (not good, but it worked) | 23:32 |
| FIQ | since a year ago it doesn't work *at all* | 23:32 |
| FIQ | kerio: what's that? | 23:32 |
| kerio | a program | 23:32 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: it shows 20.2010.36-2 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also *#06# for IMEI which definitely will blow chunks when cmt defect | 23:32 |
| FIQ | ohhhhhhhhhhh | 23:32 |
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| FIQ | it's a program! | 23:32 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: heh, what happens if cmt is broken? :p | 23:32 |
| FIQ | @ imei check | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | agps "broke" for me at home recently, because my operator installed a new 3g antenna in the mast, and none of the supl servers know of it, and don't give any usable data back :) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 23:33 |
| FIQ | gomiam: try it :3 | 23:33 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: and *#06# answers "IMEI:"... because I have no SIM in it right now? | 23:33 |
| FIQ | gomiam: no | 23:33 |
| FIQ | imei is phone, not sim | 23:33 |
| kerio | gomiam: because your cmt is busted | 23:33 |
| gomiam | true, true | 23:33 |
| gomiam | my bad | 23:33 |
| FIQ | (well, assuming working cmt) | 23:33 |
| gomiam | user error: replace user and proceed :) | 23:33 |
| FIQ | didn't korea produce new n900 boards or anything? | 23:34 |
| FIQ | someone in here told earlier... | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the newest rumor | 23:34 |
| tadzik | new n900 boards? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep! | 23:34 |
| tadzik | what for? :) | 23:34 |
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| FIQ | repair | 23:34 |
| kerio | which korea? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repair | 23:34 |
| FIQ | ninja'd | 23:34 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer05: so... should I install the CSSU Features Configuration application? | 23:34 |
| FIQ | kerio: the good one I guess | 23:34 |
| tadzik | huh, I'm surprised anyone still cares | 23:34 |
| FIQ | certainly not the north side | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: one of the two available ones is obsolete and borked | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | they recently discoveered unicorn caves | 23:35 |
| gomiam | interesting, only one shows by default. Checking version | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gomiam: anyway before you install that, you'll want to install CSSU | 23:35 |
| gomiam | ok, reading on installing CSSU... | 23:35 |
| FIQ | ~cssu | 23:36 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 23:36 |
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| FIQ | ok so what was I supposed to do... | 23:38 |
| FIQ | right, check what gpsrecord was | 23:38 |
| FIQ | or whatever it was named | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: get location test | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | way better than gpsrecord | 23:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but does it update the clock? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err nope | 23:39 |
| FIQ | just tell me what the package is named, i just want to check if this thing works.. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 23:39 |
| infobot | it has been said that pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:39 |
| FIQ | shh | 23:39 |
| gomiam | how stable is CSSU "testing"? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stable enough | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually | 23:39 |
| kerio | gomiam: like debian testing | 23:39 |
| gomiam | then it is good enough :) | 23:39 |
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| FIQ | gomiam: do note that you can't go to stable from testing | 23:39 |
| FIQ | w/o reflash or BM restoration | 23:40 |
| kerio | disclaimer: it might not be as stable as debian testing | 23:40 |
| FIQ | (but you can do the opposite) | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can go to testing from stable | 23:40 |
| kerio | gomiam: make sure to follow the instructions | 23:40 |
| kerio | aka MAKE A BM BACKUP | 23:40 |
| FIQ | yep | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | follow the instructions *verbatim* | 23:40 |
| FIQ | the instruction that I didn't see the first time, as it wasn't there then :) | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and waaaaait til you see results | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't abort anything! | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's nothing known to ever lock up | 23:41 |
| gomiam | kerio: wilco, though currently I have no info on the phone so I would have no problem reflashing, now I know how to get it back up. | 23:41 |
| FIQ | hmmmmmmm | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just sometimes takes quite a while | 23:41 |
| FIQ | ahh whatever | 23:41 |
| FIQ | let's do this | 23:41 |
| * FIQ upgrades to cssu-testing | 23:41 | |
| FIQ | or... cssu-thumb perhaps | 23:41 |
| kerio | FIQ: you're supposed to yell "LEEROOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEENKINS" when you do that | 23:41 |
| FIQ | kerio: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK | 23:42 |
| kerio | no, LEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what? jenkings? who the f* is jenkins? <sing!> | 23:42 |
| FIQ | ok cssu thumb needs a new kernel afaik | 23:42 |
| FIQ | that means that BM restorations wont work | 23:42 |
| FIQ | (as I found out the hard way earlier) | 23:43 |
| kerio | install kernel-power before | 23:43 |
| FIQ | i have it | 23:43 |
| kerio | and make a backup with that | 23:43 |
| kerio | then it won't need a new kernel | 23:43 |
| kerio | unless you have an ancient kernel-power | 23:43 |
| FIQ | backup was made 2h ago | 23:43 |
| FIQ | uhm | 23:43 |
| * FIQ checks | 23:43 | |
| FIQ | ..uname doesn't seem to tell version | 23:43 |
| FIQ | ok... | 23:44 |
| FIQ | never mind | 23:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if a backup could be done after download of PK but *before* it gets flashed | 23:44 | |
| FIQ | i didn't have kernel-power | 23:44 |
| FIQ | but I'll have it soon | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that restoring to that state would trigger immediate kernel flashing | 23:45 |
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| FIQ | ~kp | 23:45 |
| infobot | somebody said kp was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 23:45 |
| FIQ | not that.. | 23:45 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: i'd rather not try it out | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<FIQ> ..uname doesn't seem to tell version)) of what? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel? it does | 23:46 |
| FIQ | kernel-power version | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rootfs? nope | 23:46 |
| FIQ | but i realized it was due to vanilla | 23:46 |
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| FIQ | so i'm installing kp atm | 23:46 |
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| FIQ | but I'm honestly surprised, I thought I did this ages ago | 23:47 |
| FIQ | (or weeks, at least) | 23:47 |
| gomiam | starting big cssu download and install... | 23:48 |
| FIQ | at least I was going to do it.. guess i forgot it | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, doing restore of a suspended-to-disk swap and rootfs, then triggering immediate hard reboot, that would be awesome | 23:48 |
| vi_ | is there any program on maemo that lets me watch videos from where I left off? | 23:49 |
| FIQ | n900 hibernation? | 23:49 |
| vi_ | like panucci, but for videos? | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | Weirdly the default media player seems to do that for me | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | or then it's gpodder, *shrug* | 23:49 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: i don't use it on computer *at all*, but it would be really nice to have suspend-to-disk on n900 | 23:49 |
| vi_ | ah! of course! | 23:49 |
| FIQ | especially at the rate I power cycle as I can't charge.. | 23:50 |
| FIQ | ok DocScrutinizer05, I have kp51 | 23:50 |
| FIQ | I guess that's enough? | 23:50 |
| vi_ | ty SJK | 23:50 |
| FIQ | for thumb | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: for some purposes it would indeed be nice. But particularly for installing a live system it would be mad useful | 23:50 |
| kerio | FIQ: then you should be able to just install cssu-thumb | 23:50 |
| FIQ | kerio: nice | 23:50 |
| kerio | without changing your kernel | 23:50 |
| FIQ | i'll do bm backup first though | 23:50 |
| FIQ | (again) | 23:51 |
| kerio | if you want to be sure, install pali's fiasco-do-update-ask | 23:51 |
| vi_ | FIQ: good move! | 23:51 |
| kerio | but make sure to actually flash if it asks to flash | 23:51 |
| FIQ | btmm | 23:51 |
| FIQ | pretty simple to remember | 23:52 |
| FIQ | heh | 23:53 |
| FIQ | there's lots of adventages with a (mostly) open system like maemo | 23:53 |
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| FIQ | it's improving now, after 3 years of existing | 23:53 |
| FIQ | (n900, that is) | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | orly? :-D | 23:53 |
| FIQ | :P | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I thought all n900 users are steampunks | 23:54 |
| FIQ | but I guess the community can only shrink now, mostly | 23:54 |
| FIQ | as there are hardly any new n900s | 23:54 |
| vi_ | plenty of old ones. | 23:54 |
| vi_ | right now is the golden time to stock up on n900s | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, we seen - like - 4 new users during last 3 weeks | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just here in this chan | 23:55 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: true | 23:55 |
| FIQ | even though n900 users wont increase, the community might do | 23:55 |
| FIQ | as casuals replace the device, and their devices get re-used by people that actually care about an open system | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:56 |
| gomiam | vi_: unfortunately, n900's are still a bit pricy on eBay :) | 23:57 |
| gomiam | ok, CSSU testing installed | 23:57 |
| FIQ | gomiam: a shop in my country sold *new* (yes, really) n900s | 23:57 |
| FIQ | though they did it for launch price.. | 23:57 |
| FIQ | so not really worth it eh | 23:57 |
| tadzik | they still sell new ones here | 23:57 |
| tadzik | for ~150€ or so | 23:57 |
| FIQ | the shop I saw did it for launch price, so ~600€ | 23:58 |
| FIQ | tadzik: interested? ;) | 23:58 |
| gomiam | tadzik: yup, I got mine for about EUR100 | 23:58 |
| tadzik | hardly a good offer | 23:58 |
| tadzik | FIQ: not really, mine works pretty fine :) | 23:58 |
| r00t|home | i bought a like-new n900 on ebay for 80eur... | 23:58 |
| FIQ | I guess I could stock up on them | 23:58 |
| FIQ | then keep them for some years | 23:58 |
| FIQ | then sell it for moar :o | 23:58 |
| FIQ | (once they get very hard to come by) | 23:59 |
| tadzik | if there will be people to buy them for more | 23:59 |
| FIQ | :P | 23:59 |
| tadzik | I don't think I'll buy another one if this one broke | 23:59 |
| FIQ | i would | 23:59 |
| FIQ | I seriously considered ^ that offer as my n900 was useless in a period | 23:59 |
| FIQ | but decided to do a last attempt on getting my n900 in working state | 23:59 |
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