IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-12-02

vi_it rusted ffs.00:00
keriofukken yappari00:00
keriovi_: 1) don't dip in minetown00:00
kerio2) keep trying00:00
SpeedEvildipping is a bit risky00:00
keriowhen it turns into excalibur, it gets fixed and rustproofed00:00
SpeedEvilI've never bothered00:00
kerio(you're level 5, right?)00:00
kerioSpeedEvil: are you shitting me?00:00
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keriohalf of the easiness of dwarf valks is the early excalibur00:01
jogaokay now I get 28.1 wakeups, C4 86.9% | 1633.9ms00:01
SpeedEvilI tend to crash to mine town at level 100:01
jogais this bad?00:01
kerioyou don't dip in minetown, anyway00:01
keriovi_: didn't the watch warn you not to use the fountains?00:01
joga(doesn't sound bad actually)00:01
SpeedEvilthen loot the shops, and do the prot racket to get -10ac native00:01
keriovi_: metagaming a bit, when nethack warns you about something, you better listen00:01
SpeedEvilpets are awesome00:01
keriopets suck, the protection racket is a silly strategy00:02
joganethack, the awesome game where I always eventually fail miserably00:02
vi_SpeedEvil: what is the prot racket?00:02
SpeedEvilpet plus pokymorph trap plus leash is also hilarious00:02
Drathirhi nokia n810 flashing is similar to n900?00:02
keriovi_: rush to minetown, use your pet to credit clone and steal everything, donate everything at xl1, 400zm at a time00:02
kerioto gain immense protection00:03
SpeedEvilyou can buy protection by donating 400*lvl to a altar priest00:03
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jogabtw have you tried wazhack? it doesn't have the depth of nethack but if you have a hard time describing nethack to your friends, it's nice00:03
keriojoga: nethack is easy00:03
keriojoga: /msg Rodney ??how_to_ascend00:03
jogaheh, I haven't really played it proper, just a newbie but I appreciate the game a lot00:04
SpeedEvilthere is a guy on nethack.alt.IRC who can ascend 12 successive games00:04
kerioSpeedEvil: ...dude, berry did 13 int64_max games in a row in this year's devnull00:04
keriomarvin's record is 24, adeon has 2900:05
jogado these people have a job00:05
vi_I once used a potion of stone to flesh on a boulder.  It turned into a giant hunk of meat.  I kept eating it till I died.00:05
keriovi_: again, when nethack warns you of something, LISTEN00:05
jogathat's what I love about nethack, when you think about what happens it's often hilarious00:06
keriojoga: maud has a 2135-turns ascension on NAO00:06
SpeedEvilI invented dig for victory :-) sorta00:06
SpeedEvildig down as an archeologist to the castle00:06
SpeedEvilat level 100:07
jogaand usually in my case every game ends in a grueling, desperate battle where I try to survive but end up a levitating, hallucinating polymorphed blob of whatever just before someone delivers the killing blow I was craving00:07
vi_SpeedEvil: go on...00:07
keriovi_: learn to play comfortably first00:07
SpeedEvilsmash the occupants of the castle with the drawbridge00:07
SpeedEvilget the wand of wishing00:07
keriovi_: also, watch maud's 213500:07
keriodude's CRAZY00:08
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keriovi_: this is most of that game00:08
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keriovi_: are you playing on a server?00:11
kerioor do you want your games to not matter?00:12
vi_The watch captain swings her silver saber. The watch captain hits!00:13
vi_You die...00:13
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vi_my games to not matter? wtf.00:13
kerioeveryone knows that local games don't count00:16
vi_i do not play for glory.00:16
kerioyou should play proper nethack, though00:17
keriothe one on multiuser unix systems00:17
keriowith bones files and stuff00:17
vi_I once found a grave from a past game.00:19
vi_I dug up my old corpse.00:19
vi_Then I looted it.00:19
vi_Then I ate it.00:19
vi_Then I dies.00:19
SpeedEvilI once accidentally dropped a souped up marilith dual wielding a couple of artifacts on level 4 on nap00:20
SpeedEvilthat was an unpleasant surprise for a couple of people00:21
vi_1. wtf is marilith00:21
vi_2. wtf is nap00:21
vi_3. wtf is level 4?00:21
kerionap is a misspelling of nao00:22
keriowhich is nethack.alt.org00:22
keriolevel 4 as in dungeon level 400:22
kerioa marilith is a [SPOILER]00:22
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kerioSpeedEvil: you can actually go much, much eviler00:23
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kerioa level 49 kobold shaman will happily cast touch of death00:23
kerioor just 24d6 points of damage with psi bolt00:23
keriogive it enough AC, MR and reflection, and it'll fuck up even an asckitted character00:24
SpeedEvilwasn't intentional00:24
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vi_ 1317  zork-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law died in The Gnomish Mines on00:25
vi_level 6.  Killed by a watch captain.00:26
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infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,
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NeutrinoPowerwhere can I see images from the N900 mainboard?01:24
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, DocScrutinizer51 ^01:25
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MohammadAGNeutrinoPower, not sure if these are helpful
MohammadAGthey're dusty and a bit crappy, DocScrutinizer05's are better, but better than nothing01:26
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: how's life?03:09
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NeutrinoPower :)03:18
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FIQthere seems to be something wrong with my N90003:20
FIQnot that it's something unusual, but er03:21
FIQit doesn't boot03:21
FIQand then I don't mean "maemo doesn't boot"03:21
FIQit's just as if the battery was completly uncharged03:21
FIQand I know this isn't the case, because none of my battery boots up N90003:21
FIQ(and 1 of them should be almost, but nut fully, empty, the other one should be fully charged)03:22
SpeedEviltry removing battery for an hour03:22
SpeedEvildid anything happen?03:22
FIQi have had a minor battery issue lately when the phone refuses to boot at all (not even for a short while) with uncharged battery, but I thought it was temporary03:23
FIQand it always worked fine when battery was charged03:23
FIQSpeedEvil: last usage of phone is "Charge the battery!" *shutdown*03:23
JadedSpeedEvil, remember #freenode-talk years ago03:24
FIQdidn't use it for several hours as I didn't need it, and now tried to boot it up03:24
FIQwhich... well, failed03:24
Jadedi mean #freenode-social03:24
FIQexternal charger says that the battery is charging if I insert it (the empty one) and that the other one is charged03:25
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FIQso it seems like it's not an issue with that one03:25
robbiethe1stPoor battery connection?03:25
SpeedEvilJaded: somewhat03:25
Jadedme too03:25
Jadedi remember seeing you on there about 7 or 8 years ago03:25
FIQrobbiethe1st: the battery falls out if I turn phone upside down, but it has been like that for over a year03:26
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FIQis it possible that the connector has failed completely?03:26
SpeedEvilI would look carefully at thew battery contacts03:26
robbiethe1stDunno. Mine does the same03:26
robbiethe1stYou could try putting a shim behind the battery, to tighten it up03:26
FIQSpeedEvil: i tried to, but I'm visually impaired03:26
robbiethe1stLike a piece of paper or two03:27
FIQalso tried to "connect" it harder by holding the battery down and tried to boot it03:27
FIQbut it still failed03:27
SpeedEvilactually, on reflection, the contacts are unlikely to fail03:28
SpeedEvilthey are simple thick metal rectangles03:28
SpeedEvilthe springs are in the battery03:29
SpeedEvildoes USB do anything?03:29
FIQI would blame the battery if it weren't for the fact that I have 2 batteries, and none works03:29
FIQSpeedEvil: uhm03:29
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FIQthink I found out the reason03:32
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FIQI guess that I didn't manage to connect the secondary (not in device) battery to the external charger properly03:32
FIQboth batteries was simply dry03:33
FIQnow that I charged one a little it worked to boot (but died after a few seconds due to the small charge it got)03:33
Lava_CroftAww, please help out my poor geek friend03:35
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SpeedEvilmedical nanotechnology is not an invention03:37
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DocScrutinizer05((<robbiethe1st> You could try putting a shim behind the battery, to tighten it up)) nope! bend spring latch a bit inwards06:05
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kerioi keep doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but it doesn't upgrade anything :(11:50
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keriomy rootfs is below 256mb now! \_o_/16:09
kerioer, \o/16:09
kerioi'm happy about it16:09
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kerioi optified locale-archive16:10
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kerioam i a bad enough dude to optify/delete a bit more and then disable the compression?16:24
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kwtm7Sorry, what's the package name for the cron-daemon-like replacement for triggering tasks at a specified time?16:38
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amospallakwtm7: alarmd ?19:35
amospallaoh, late19:35
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DocScrutinizer05amospalla: alarmed (with 'e') - alarmd is the alarm daemon used by alarmed app19:46
DocScrutinizer05...and a lot of other systems19:47
DocScrutinizer05like HAM auto update check, worldclock, modest...19:47
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keriothis reminds me, is there a way to delete the alarmd entry for the ham autoupdate?19:48
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I already told you how to do that19:48
DocScrutinizer05check /var/*/*/...19:49
kerioyeah but deleting or editing that file just left me with broken alarms until i rebooted19:49
kerioand on reboot, the autoupdate entry was still there19:49
DocScrutinizer05well, then you messed it up with your edits19:49
DocScrutinizer05somebody in here managed to stop modest, incl alarmd19:50
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keriomoving the .desktop entry did that for me19:51
DocScrutinizer05I'd think same procedure would apply to autoupdate accordingly19:51
keriohm, the .desktop doesn't have informations about the autoupdate19:52
vi_kerio: just set autoupdate timeout to 9000 days.19:52
kerioit's not autostarted by h-d like modest19:52
DocScrutinizer05alas there's obviously no alarmd-admin tool19:52
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: because it's impossible to do considering how alarmd does its thing, or just because nobody know how to make it because alarmd is closed?19:56
DocScrutinizer05because nobody installed alarmclient(1) I guess19:59
DocScrutinizer05see `alarmd --help`19:59
DocScrutinizer05there's alarmd -Xcud  and alarmd -Xrfs though19:59
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DocScrutinizer05Diablo, LOL20:10
DocScrutinizer05F U Nokia, why's that a closed blob?20:11
vi_because F U, thats why.20:12
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, above package is open20:14
DocScrutinizer05>> Copyright \(co 2006 Nokia Corporation. This is free software; see /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1 for license conditions.  There is NO  warranty;  not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.20:15
DocScrutinizer05Pali: so where's the source?20:15
Palisee Diablo SDK free20:15
Paliall free packages are open20:16
DocScrutinizer05why isn't it in  anywhere?20:16
Palibecause package interface is stupid20:16
Palibtw, diablo alarmd is incompatible with fremantle20:17
DocScrutinizer05Pali: errr, and that's SOURCE?20:17
Palidsc + tar.gz20:17
Palidpkg-source -x *.dsc20:18
Palifor unpack20:18
DocScrutinizer05Pali: there's no source in
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Pali$ dpkg-source -x alarmd_0.5.20.dsc20:20
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks20:22
Palibtw that code is incompatible with fremantle20:22
DocScrutinizer05got it ported to fremantle? why not?20:22
Palilook here:
DocScrutinizer05it seems the basic API is still same20:23
Paligit repository with all alarmd versions20:23
PaliI imported all old & new alarmd into git repo20:23
Paliyou can look what was changed20:23
DocScrutinizer05alarmtool for fremantle would be mad useful20:24
DocScrutinizer05changes shouldn't be a showstopper, seems the basic functionality is unchanged20:24
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Palifirst fremantle version is 1.0.1320:25
Palithere is alarmclient20:26
Paliand also alarmtool20:26
DocScrutinizer05...they said, in alarmd --help20:26
Palithere is deb package alarmclient20:26
Palisudo apt-get install alarmclient20:27
keriodafuq, it's thumb-compiled too20:27
DocScrutinizer05Setting up alarmclient (1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0) ...  \o/20:27
Paliand for alarmtool see Makefile20:28
DocScrutinizer05  alarmclient 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0  --  alarmd test & debugging tool20:28
DocScrutinizer05cheers Pali!20:28
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, there are more open packages which nokia forgot to build/upload to repositories20:29
Palionly source code in dsc packages20:29
Paliso you need to built it manually in scratchbox SDK20:29
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DocScrutinizer05alarmclient -L \o/20:31
DocScrutinizer05kerio: now smile!20:31
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DocScrutinizer05dang! using this OS every day for 4(?) years now, and still I learn sth new every other day20:32
DocScrutinizer05:-D  ->exec_command      '/usr/bin/set_next_alarm 34 1 1 '20:33
DocScrutinizer05        trigger           1872193500 -> 2029-04-29 23:45:00 wd=Sun tz=CEST dst=Yes (T-5992d3h14m45s)20:34
DocScrutinizer05        title             'Apophis'20:34
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DocScrutinizer05-S[seconds]      --  set default snooze  \o/21:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: the remade worldclock has that too21:01
DocScrutinizer05yes, I know21:02
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Sicelohmm,in which repo is this alarmclient/alarmtool?21:22
kerioSicelo: cssu21:24
Sicelooh, i'm on cssu-stable yet21:24
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DocScrutinizer05 *** 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0 021:26
DocScrutinizer05        500 fremantle/free Packages21:26
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DocScrutinizer05I'll never really wrap my head around that apt-cache line regarding repo21:32
DocScrutinizer05how TF is " fremantle/free Packages" linked to CSSU?21:32
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deepyIf I want to watch stuff over samba, what would I use?21:38
deepyI just realized the stand on my N900 is perfect for what I intend to do21:38
kwtm7Thx to DocScrutinizer05 and amospalla for answering my question -- my desktop got reconfigured and I didn't receive notification that you were talking to me.  Thx.21:42
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, CSSU stable/testing repo is on http://repository.maemo.org21:44
Palibut old debian apt (which is also in mameo) expect that repository can be only mirrored... and you only want to see mirrors....21:45
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Palithere was nothing like more repos on same url21:45
Sicelo900alarmtool is on cssu-testing then, i suppose. i have done an apt-get update just now, and still can't find it21:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's because the repo is in http://repository.maemo.org21:53
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: could we fix apt-get to show a little bit more detailed info?21:58
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo900: yes, probably cssu-t repo21:58
DocScrutinizer05in sources.list* the info is way better: >> deb fremantle free non-free <<22:04
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myname24Hello , if my keyboard slide sensor is broken ( always assume closed ) so backupmenu and u-boot .. Will not work ?22:34
DocScrutinizer05kinda, yes22:35
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DocScrutinizer05you probably should fix your slide-sensor22:37
DocScrutinizer05usual problem is a loose magnet22:37
DocScrutinizer05loose or already lost22:37
DocScrutinizer05relatively simple to fix22:37
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myname24Well i took to five cell shops and no one know how to fix it and the last one wanted to change the board22:40
DocScrutinizer05find the loose magnet (it often sticks to some magnetic surface inside N900 kbd half) or get a small replacement, and fix it to the place where it belongs, using a drop of glue22:40
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DocScrutinizer05obviously those shops were not really experts, or your problem is kinda unusual22:41
myname24I opened it a few time and i think the magnet is there but the sensor under the screen is problem22:41
myname24Or maybe i'm wrong22:42
DocScrutinizer05easy test: get a good magnet and place it next to "IOP" keys of kbd22:42
DocScrutinizer05iirc "IOP"22:42
DocScrutinizer05might as well be next to "WER" keys22:42
myname24The one you are talking about is above the p letter . A white thing22:43
DocScrutinizer05you can tell it detected magnet when it unlocks22:43
myname24Thanks for the help i'll try it22:44
myname24I didn't have a magnet right now but a quick solution was the earphones22:46
myname24And yes it worked the light are illuminated for a moment :p22:47
DocScrutinizer05so it's a simple lost magnet, and swapping board wouldn't have fixed it ;-P22:49
DocScrutinizer05congrats for the excellent shops at your location22:49
SpeedEvilI would be interested if they still had board stocks22:50
DocScrutinizer05they know how to make money - though, not really. AFAIK there *are no* spare boards available for N90022:50
myname24I will fix it but it's gonna cost me half of my N900 price . I bought it for 100 $ early in the summer . Condition was great exept this22:50
DocScrutinizer05possibly they already knew about the magnet, planned to replace it and charge you for a board swap22:51
SpeedEvilin principle they might have one lying around22:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: meh22:54
keriowhen in doubt between malice and ignorance/stupidity, always bet on the latter22:54
keriomyname24: good thinking with the headphones thing22:54
kerioand i doubt a tiny magnet + glue will cost you 50$22:55
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NeutrinoPower why isn't this the qt-version?22:55
myname24The shops here make money from rooting/jailbreaking . Board swapping would be easy solution for them ( cost money more )23:01
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NeutrinoPowerthere is no screen or tmux package for maemo?23:05
DocScrutinizer05kerio: when I have the choice between attributing a stupid behaviour of a sales droid to either greed&cheat or any other rreason, I'll always pick the former23:05
kerioNeutrinoPower: tmux is in extras-devel, screen is in fremantle/tools23:06
infoboti heard pkg is
keriovi_: no u23:10
myname24Anyway tmo has become a trolling place where anyone seeking for real help ( not wazzap or other sh*t ) cannot find it .23:11
keriotmo has always been useless23:11
vi_horse shit.23:12
vi_there still some cool people on tmo.23:12
vi_reinob for example.23:12
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, music is essential for hacking -- especially calming music for debugging so you don't throw the damn machine out the nearest window  Available from magnatune, a company that isn't evil.23:13
infobotsomebody said truth was often known as T-theory.  See
infoboti heard tm0 is trolls, mooses and orangutans23:13
Palivi_, that T something sounds like propositional logic....23:17
PaliI do not like logic!23:18
PaliI hate logic!!23:18
DocScrutinizer05tmux is kinda silly for embedded mobile devices, since it is sending keep-alive packets all the time. Which in turn kills your battery in *no* time23:18
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Palilogic, soundness theory, ... it is only stupid UTF8 symbols....23:34
vi_Pali: i did not realise logic makes you rage.23:34
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PaliT ⊢ φ ⇔ T ⊨ φ23:39
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how Pali inserts all those nifty UTF chars23:39
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, you really do not know how to write the most important logic theorem? :D23:41
NeutrinoPowerkerio: but I have the extras-devel repo23:42
kerioPali: meh, one of those two arrows isn't that interesting or unexpected23:42
keriothe other is kinda neat, i admit :)23:43
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NeutrinoPowerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:23:49
NeutrinoPower  luxus: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.7.0) but 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed23:49
NeutrinoPowerE: Broken packages23:49
kerioyou did dist-upgrade, didn't you23:50
Palikerio, can you proof godel theorems?23:50
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NeutrinoPowernow I did apt-get update23:51
kerioPali: not formally enough23:51
kerioPali: i can, if you let me skip a lot of details :323:51
NeutrinoPowerthere are GPG-Errors23:51
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FIQ<kerio> NeutrinoPower: tmux is in extras-devel, screen is in fremantle/tools23:55
FIQwut, nice23:55
FIQ(last time I checked, tmux wasn't anywhere in repos)23:55
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FIQsorry, my fault23:55
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FIQpcfe: try setting channellimit better23:56
FIQor whatever that setting name was named23:56
pcfeFIQ: sorry for the noise, was messing with my iptables and IRC bouncer, done now.23:57
FIQoh but I was pointing at the excess flood23:57
FIQ"and IRC bouncer" nvm23:58
NeutrinoPowerdo apt-get need the GPG-Keys of the repos?23:58
pcfeexcess flood? That should not happen. can you pastebin what my end sent? I'll make it be more silent23:58
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FIQpcfe: i'm no ircop, I can't see what you've sent to the server...23:59
FIQthe only thing I see is "[22:55:31] * pcfe har avslutat (Excess Flood)"23:59
keriopcfe: are you using znc?23:59
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pcfeFIQ: Ah, OK.23:59

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