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Drathirwhy repos cant be fetch by https, but oonly works http?06:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe because of expired certs?06:36
Drathirok i will check but not sure but 404 error get...06:41
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Palican somebody backup ?09:10
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keriowtf is /dev/input/4, and why do i have trillions of lines related to it in my syslog?14:38
kerioand did it drain my battery?14:38
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kerioer, /dev/input/event414:41
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kerioit's the second time i had an unexplicable power draw14:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: how do i configure powertop?14:43
DocScrutinizer05sorry, HAVE to run14:44
keriotypical >:c14:45
SpeedEvilthere is no configure, only do!14:47
SpeedEvilto paraphrase Yoda.14:47
SpeedEvilrun it, lock screen, wait 45 seconds14:47
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keriostatus: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon14:50
kerioMounting debugfs...FAILED14:50
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keriomeh, restarting it worked14:54
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CreteilHi all16:02
CreteilCan someone have a look at
CreteilWhy even the new version was successfully compiled, I can't update the version with a simple apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on the device ?16:03
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kerioCreteil: because the update wasn't pushed16:17
Creteilkerio, thanks, I just see the update was pushed right now ... Thanks for the help ...16:18
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Maceryou guys might know this17:00
Macerwhat would someone call that has pin terminals for a standard sized gpio pin17:01
Macerfemale on both sides?17:01
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FIQmy phone somehow went from fully working OS to non-bootable OS w/o even modifying system files (at least by myself)17:28
FIQnow that's something new17:28
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kerioFIQ: well17:29
FIQSeems like bootmenu successfully boots maemo, but not using it didn't17:29
keriowhat did you do?17:29
FIQThe only significant thing I did was modifying ~/.profile a little17:29
FIQBut I can't see how that would render the system unbootable17:30
FIQ(the other things I did was running ntpd and gpSP)17:30
FIQi'll try to reboot again w/o bootmenu to see if same thing happens17:31
FIQah, system boots fine even w/o utilizing bootmenu now17:32
FIQNo idea what happened17:33
kerioyou're welcome!17:33
FIQbut it wasn't just some temporary bootup weirdness for just one boot, as I tried to boot ~10 times before I decided to try it via bootmenu to see if it gave some kind of error (not like bootmenu usually does that, but meh)17:33
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keriodid you perform a n900 full reset?17:34
FIQer, well17:35
FIQI did, but that was weeks ago17:35
FIQ(to see if it fixed my  sound issue etc)17:35
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spoofyOk. Here's the news. Nokia changed my board to new one in n900 - They have new part of boards produced in korea17:36
spoofy Serial number: I35693803xxxxxxx Warranty: IYES Care Services17:36
spoofy                  I Warranty Class: ISHIPMENT + 25 MONTHS Product Type: IRX-5117:36
spoofy                  Handset: IN900 Product Code: I0582644 Start of Warranty:17:36
spoofy                  I12-11-2012 End of Warranty: I12-12-2014 Ship-to Country:17:36
spoofy                  IPL-POLAND Ship-to Customer#: ILEGPL Factory SimLock: IN17:36
FIQspoofy: heard about pastebins? ._.17:36
spoofyFIQ: yeap but that's important news ;)17:37
FIQer wait a moment17:37
FIQdo nokia still produce new n900s?17:37
spoofyno only boards17:37
FIQhm ok17:37
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: WTF?!!! \o/17:37
spoofymy friend is working in nokia care service17:38
DocScrutinizer05new boards produced? incroyable!17:38
spoofyhe told me that is cheaper for nokia to order new boards than replace a phone to new17:38
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DocScrutinizer05well, I'd think they knew this 20 months ago when they decided to bin all the spare parts they had on stock17:40
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DocScrutinizer05actually I asked for such move several times - now they actually did it?! I still can't believe17:41
spoofyalso I heard about gray n950.. they just burn them in furnace..17:41
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders to ask how much is a main PCBA when bought in qty of e.g. 100017:42
FIQhow about giving them to me instead :D17:42
keriospoofy: is the cpu still the same?17:42
spoofykerio: probably yes17:42
spoofyboard produced in korea17:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: what else?17:43
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: new wifi chip :D17:43
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: could you ask your friend how much Nokia calls for such a board?17:43
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: sure but he's not working in warsow - polish nokia center17:44
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I smell a unconfirmed rumour story for MWKN17:44
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I can give you my imei - just check it...17:45
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: sorry? what could I check this way?17:45
spoofyIn what way?17:46
spoofyif someone is an employee of nokia can check it out17:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there a way to run powertop in the background and do some logging this way?17:47
spoofynvm.. I broke my usb so I was expect a new phone17:48
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: long term? well, I guess a while loop would do17:48
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: sorry you lost me17:48
DocScrutinizer05kerio: there's a parameter to powertop, to specify the monitoring window17:49
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: No I'm happy right now ;) My sweet n900 will back to me17:49
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DocScrutinizer05spoofy: that's all fine but I still don't get it what you're telling me, starting with "IMEI"17:50
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: ugh.. you can check everything about the phone by checking IMEI right?17:51
DocScrutinizer05I don't know, probably I could find out about warranty17:53
spoofyAnd replaced parts17:53
DocScrutinizer05I heard there's a Nokia webpage to check warranty, maybe it takes IMEI for that17:53
spoofyand whole service history17:53
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: I'm not Nokia17:53
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: anyway if your IMEI is unchanged then odds are you have no new mainboard in that N90017:55
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spoofyDocScrutinizer05: new board = new IMEI17:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hm, why?17:55
DocScrutinizer05of course they *might* be able to change IMEI of new board to the one of old board17:55
kerioisn't it a matter of reconfiguring rapuyama?17:55
spoofyNo. I have new IMEI and notification in warranty card17:56
spoofynote.. nvm17:56
DocScrutinizer05that's a pretty good indicator that they actaully changed main PCBA17:56
spoofyThey changed the board to new one produced in 2012 in korea.. So they ordered a part of new boards to n900.17:58
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DocScrutinizer05dang, i *need* to get one of those new boards into my paws18:09
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: new wiFi chip? how do you know? which one?18:10
spoofyThat was a joke :P18:10
spoofyEhh.. new board with new cpu and wifi chip - a/b/g/n support... in my dreams18:11
freemangordonyeah, 3630 with 1GB18:13
freemangordonthough ^^^ might be cheaper than 343018:14
DocScrutinizer05by now for sure18:15
freemangordonspoofy: could you check your omap revision?18:16
DocScrutinizer05though, not really since TI probably not even sells any 3430 anymore, so you either get them on aftermarket for cheap, or not at all18:16
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: but who will store such (maybe 1000) amount of 3430?18:16
freemangordonmakes no sense18:16
freemangordonafaik n900 is the only device with 3430 made by nokia18:17
DocScrutinizer05grep CPU /proc/cpuinfo18:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: no18:18
freemangordonthe correct place is cat /sys/power/idcode18:18
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freemangordonProduction ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae18:18
DocScrutinizer05Production ID: 00000000 00000000 000000cc cafeb7ae18:19
DocScrutinizer05Die ID: 0c004012 040364fb 00000000 44f6000418:19
freemangordoncafeb7ae is for ES3.118:19
freemangordon3.1.2 has a different value there18:19
freemangordonspoofy: ^^^18:20
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DocScrutinizer05yeah spoofy, please share! ;-D18:20
DocScrutinizer05cat /sys/power/idcode18:20
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: are you sure that's not GAIA/twl4030? - since "power"18:21
ShadowJK/sys/power seems to be a convenient place to put all kinds of random stuff.18:21
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: 100%. Though I was wrong, it is not the last uint of Production ID, but IDCODE18:22
freemangordonES3.1 is 0x4B7A E02F18:23
freemangordonES3.1.2 is 0x7B7A E02F18:23
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I dont have a phone right now. It's still in nokia care service.18:23
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: the first line18:23
freemangordonIDCODE: 4b7ae02f18:23
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: I'll have it in monday probably18:24
DocScrutinizer05seems I need a break till that coffee kicks in18:24
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: please keep us updated18:24
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: no problem ;)18:24
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freemangordonspoofy: if your IDCODE is 0x7B7A E02F then your device officialy supports 720MHz for MPU18:25
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DocScrutinizer05official OC or OPP4 ?18:26
spoofyfreemangordon: Woh :D that's great :) I can't wait to have my sweet n900 in my hands18:26
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: OPP6 ;)18:26
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DocScrutinizer05err, six?18:27
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infobotrumour has it, omap-oc is  read that!, or and this
freemangordoncount :P18:27
DocScrutinizer05there's no OPP618:27
DocScrutinizer05or is that new for that SoC?18:27
freemangordonES3.1.2 has18:27
DocScrutinizer05so this OPP6 probably is the old OPP5?18:28
DocScrutinizer05aka 'official OC'18:28
freemangordonwell, it is weird, as the voltage is still that same as for opp518:28
freemangordonbut with SR in mind, it is still different OPP18:29
DocScrutinizer05well, probably18:29
freemangordonthis  is how it is called in TRM18:30
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter since the OC fanboys pick core voltages at random anyway18:30
* ShadowJK nods18:30
ShadowJKbeagleboard switched to -720 a little bit after N900 release18:30
ShadowJKand 512m18:30
freemangordonShadowJK: what core? ES3.1.2?18:30
DocScrutinizer05I NEED SUCH A BOARD!!!18:30
ShadowJKno idea18:31
DocScrutinizer05highly unlikely that they re-POPed the RAM if they could only get 3440-72018:31
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wait, lets see, if it is 3630 we'll have more problems than gaim :P18:32
DocScrutinizer053630 won't fit I guess18:32
freemangordonafaik it is pin-to-pin compatible18:32
freemangordonbut not sure18:32
ShadowJKbeagle was 3530 too..18:33
DocScrutinizer05anyway a beagleboard 3440-720-512 might fit nicely18:33
freemangordonShadowJK: 3530 is cutted down 343018:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: anyway a beagleboard 3430-720-512 might fit nicely18:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it is 3530, see ^^^18:34
DocScrutinizer053430 vs 3530 is pin compatible, i'm rather sure18:34
freemangordonwon't do the job, SPI(iirc) and whatever is missing18:35
DocScrutinizer05it's just different binning18:35
freemangordonnaah, you can't connect GSM modem18:35
DocScrutinizer05you mix that with 3x30 vs 3x40 maybe18:35
freemangordonand 353 is GP, 3430 is HS18:35
ShadowJKRev B6/B7: ES3.0, Rev C4 -720 Mhz, Rev C5: 512MB18:36
DocScrutinizer05THAT might be correct18:36
freemangordonWTF?!? 3.0?18:36
freemangordonmakes no sense18:36
freemangordonwell, seems like a simple OC to me18:37
freemangordonas 720 is only supported on 3.1.2 according to TRM18:37
freemangordonand not on all 3.1.218:37
DocScrutinizer05odds are Nokia found a bucket of SoC that been already POPed with 512MB-RAM OneNAND anyway18:37
ShadowJKMaybe the silicon revision was just left out of the info for rev c, *shrug*18:37
freemangordonShadowJK: yeah, could be18:38
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: or better with 1G? :P18:38
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure 1GB even fits18:38
freemangordonI was kidding anyway :)18:38
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DocScrutinizer05again, I *NEED* SUCH A BOARD!18:39
keriome too!18:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: lets wait spoofy to report18:40
DocScrutinizer05nah, I'm interested in that board no matter what spoofy reports18:40
DocScrutinizer05for a bunch of reasons18:40
freemangordonhmm, I wonder how NOLO will support 2x25618:40
freemangordonchances are it will be ok18:41
freemangordonas now there are HW revisions with 2x128 (2101) and 1x256(2204)18:41
DocScrutinizer05fsckng NOLO should get replaced by uBoot18:41
freemangordonI wouldn;t hold my breath18:42
freemangordonShadowJK: aah, that's better :)18:42
ShadowJK2 x 256MB18:42
freemangordonthough it is missing one 0 at the end18:42
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freemangordonBTW I am not sure 1G will make sense in n90018:43
freemangordonthis will suck the battery in no time18:43
DocScrutinizer05seems I said exactly that, some lines up18:43
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: i've missed it18:43
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-30 17:38:40] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure 1GB even fits18:44
ShadowJKthis is C4 manual and 2 x 256MB refers to 256 ram and 256 onenand18:44
ShadowJKfreemangordon; I'd find 5x ram power use increase acceptable for 4x the ram :018:45
freemangordonRPi has older SoC than n900, ain't?18:45
DocScrutinizer05so screw beagleboard, get the SoC of pre18:45
ShadowJKRev C5 is 512M ram18:45
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ShadowJKand Beagleboard-xm is more N9-like18:45
ShadowJKwith gig of ram, iirc18:45
ShadowJKah no, still 51218:46
freemangordonShadowJK: you can;t fill 1G on n90018:46
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freemangordonwell, with normal usage18:46
DocScrutinizer05addr line missing iirc18:46
keriofreemangordon: except for IO18:46
ShadowJKfreemangordon; i can!18:46
DocScrutinizer05on POP IF18:47
ShadowJKjust from web browsing18:47
freemangordonShadowJK: what do you run on your n900? LAMP?18:47
ShadowJKmicrob is enough18:47
freemangordonwell, L is here, btu what about the others?18:47
ShadowJKfennec and I'll need 2 gigs18:47
freemangordonactually fennec will fly with 51218:48
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freemangordonbut yeah, as Pooh says...18:48
DocScrutinizer05I'd be more than happy with 512MB RAM18:48
keriohell, with 1gb you could do a slow boot and then keep EVERYTHING in ram18:49
* ShadowJK accidentalled was up to about 800M swap use yesterday18:49
ShadowJKit'd probably been fine but suddenly all browser windows wanted to render simulatenously18:49
* freemangordon never goes above 180-19018:49
ShadowJKand it was doing 8 megabytes/sec to/from swap for an hour before I killed microb lol18:49
freemangordonShadowJK: -thumb?18:50
DocScrutinizer05seen that with just ONE friggin microB window with some idiotic JS18:50
* ShadowJK is currently at about 400M swap in use on N800 too, that a-data uhs-i card really makes it fly18:50
kerioShadowJK: so it's a good card?18:50
ShadowJKbut microb leaks a shitton more memory on Diablo 4 too, so most of that 400M is leaked, though heap fragmentation does make alot if it active anyways..18:51
ShadowJKfreemangordon; not on this device18:51
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freemangordonShadowJK: I'd strongly recommend it, it fits perfectly for heavy multitasking and high memory usage18:52
ShadowJKkerio; it seemed a bit unreliable at first, but my N800 has run over a week of heavy use on it now18:52
keriowhy aren't you using it on your n900?18:52
kerioand why are you using a n800?18:53
ShadowJKfreemangordon; it's on my backup n900 waiting for this N900 to die :P18:53
ShadowJKN900's swap algorithm is better18:53
ShadowJKN800 has the standard linux swap18:53
freemangordonShadowJK: I hope your primary n900 won;t die anytime soon18:54
* ShadowJK waited for his last N900 to die before doing PR1.3 to 1.3.1 update too :-/18:54
kerioyeah, freemangordon still hasn't updated cssu-thumb to the latest -testing18:54
kerioShadowJK: what the hell18:55
kerio1.3 to 1.3.1 is *one package*18:55
freemangordonkerio: check CSSU-testing thread on TMO18:55
ShadowJKWhen/if one thing goes wrong, many things start going wrong :-(18:55
freemangordonkerio: I WILL NOT update -thumb until -testinng is stable enough for my taste. Having in mind the userbase18:55
* ShadowJK is nervous about updating main n900 since I like/use N900 so much :s18:56
kerioShadowJK: the fact that you're nervous means that you don't have nearly enough backups18:56
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ShadowJKI do18:57
* ShadowJK also has archived copies of N900 #1 and N900 #2 / at time of death too18:58
ShadowJKrestoring seems to be a annoying task18:58's 5 keys18:58
ShadowJKand for some reason tracker ignores old DCIM videos and pictures afterwards18:59
keriowell, i suppose that if you *really* screw up you also have to reflash with robbiethe1st's image first18:59
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ShadowJKi don't do backupmenu19:00
ShadowJKI'd have to switch on/off all the time wouldn't I?19:00
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keriomeh, once in a while19:00
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ShadowJKthe once in a while crash is annoying enough :/19:01
kerioi end up making a full backup every 4 days or so19:01
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* ShadowJK ends up booting N900 once a month or so19:01
ShadowJKdunno really what's causing it, IO just stalls19:02
ShadowJKafaict no in-flight IO to *mmc, nothing in dmesg about mmc problems19:03
ShadowJKlike the kernel just locked up mmc IO :/19:03
* ShadowJK has been meaning to check if anything in /syspart is approaching memory limits right before this thing happens19:03
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ShadowJKkerio; btw I've found online a Sandisk UHS-I microsdhc in some "android edition" that I'm hoping would more geared towards IOPS, the marketing seems to vaguely hint at it19:09
ShadowJKbut I'm not convinced19:09
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: you really should use BM, it's good for you :-)19:28
DocScrutinizer05even if only used once a month19:29
ShadowJKbut I hate BSOD/crashing/freezing/booting :-/19:29
DocScrutinizer05yeah, annoying that fremantle needs a boot after core lib update ;-P19:29
DocScrutinizer05but actually that's virtually the only feasible way to get an umounted rootfs19:30
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ShadowJKbacking up /home and Mydocs seems to mostly work though19:32
ShadowJKexcept the tracker issue after restoring19:32
ShadowJKand I can do it over wifi without needing reboots19:33
kerioShadowJK: it's also somewhat annoying to restore19:33
ShadowJKbut my goal is to only do that when N900 dies19:33
keriodon't complain about being scared of losing stuff with your n900 when you do updates then19:34
kerioyou chose to be scared19:34
ShadowJKwell dunno19:34
kerioby not doing BM backups19:34
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ShadowJKpainless backup with annoying restore19:34
ShadowJKor painful backups with less annoying restore19:34
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kerioboot, b t s s q19:35
kerioor boot, b t s s, connect usb, w, copy files, disconnect usb, q19:35
ShadowJKbooting is pretty annoying too19:36 it's not?19:36
ShadowJKopening everything again19:36
kerioheh, i keep everything closed19:36
keriomaybe it's that19:36
* ShadowJK always has atleast 2 x-terms (+ 3 screen sessions) and xchat open19:37
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ShadowJKand then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/19:38
kerioNIN102: what's the tab key in rescueos?19:38
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DocScrutinizer05damn, what's painful in doing a BM full image when you need to boot anyway? not liking to reboot is a bogus argument, since this forbids any decent updating19:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the ctrl+key combination for escape, in unix?19:39
NIN102kerio I forgot. I didn't create this keymap, so just try :P19:39
ShadowJK"when I need to boot anyway" rarely I'm close to any backup machine?19:39
DocScrutinizer05I do BM backups maybe every 8 to 12 weeks, in between automated rsync backups19:39
DocScrutinizer05ctrl-[ iirc19:40
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: crap, no [ in rescueOS either19:40
ShadowJKwhat about ctrl-i?19:42
DocScrutinizer05that's TAB19:43
keriohuh, why didn't it work? :o19:43
kerioah crap i was trying fn+key19:43
* kerio is teh dumb19:43
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ShadowJKso where does backupmenu install itself anyway? initfs?19:44
kerioShadowJK: no, /etc/bootmenu.d/ and /usr/share/19:44
ShadowJKwhere does bootmenu install?19:44
kerioa hook in preinit19:44
ShadowJKis that the thing that reflashes kernel on boot19:45
keriono, that's multiboot19:45
ShadowJKso it's that thing that runs-if-exists and keypad open?19:45
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kerioPali: recovery-boot idea: run the shell in a while loop, so you can't accidentally ^d it19:50
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keriohrmpf, it's the second time that the welcome screen shows up without any reason20:07
kerioi bet it's recovery-boot's fault20:09
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Devilinsideandroid doesnot show any mobile hotspot?22:13
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kerioi bet that Quix0te used an old version of ZNC and the stickychan module22:20
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merlin1991kerio: that sounds like you've got experience there :D23:02
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DocScrutinizer05WTF is Quix0te?23:22
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vi_a spanish novel by cervantes.23:28
vi_kerio: what was the noob class you recommended me for nethack?23:29
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: the other interpretation is all the lines like this: Quix0te (~Quix0te@unaffiliated/quix0te) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Excess Flood)23:29
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keriovi_: dwarf valk23:30
vi_also, what abou unnethack?23:30
keriothe mines will be mostly peaceful, you're lawful so you can get excalibur at level 5 by dipping your sword in a fountain, you get speed at level 723:30
keriowhat about it?23:30
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vi_dude! NO SPOILERZ.23:31
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kerioNO SPOILERZ means that you'll ascend in about 10 years23:31
vi_should I play it or NH vanilla?23:31
kerioafter writing your own spoilers23:31
vi_kerio: meh, thats fine.23:32
kerioit's not, it's *boring*23:32
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keriowell, unnethack's interface is better23:33
keriobut overall it's a harder game23:33
kerioalso, it fucks up the dragon color coding, which is something that greatly upsets me23:33
kerioi've been pestering bhaak to make him fix it, but he still hasn't done that ._.23:33
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vi_what a dick.23:34
vi_have you played doomrl?23:34
kerioyes i have23:35
keriodidn't really like it23:35
vi_I thought it was kinda neat.23:39
vi_not many rl s with gunz.23:39
kerioheh, slashem23:43
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FIQ<ShadowJK> and then I need to go and set the /chanmode I want for every tab in xchat :/23:53
FIQ*that* thing should be possible to automate easily23:53
keriowtf is chanmode anyway?23:55
FIQI guess he means /chanopt23:55
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