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| markinfo | hi. I need to switch to android. How to transfer Contacts? | 00:01 |
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| tadzik | export to vcards | 00:02 |
| tadzik | there's this option in contacts app | 00:02 |
| vi_ | markinfo: step 1. mail your old n900 to me. | 00:02 |
| vi_ | step 2. ??? | 00:02 |
| vi_ | step 3. Contacts transferred. | 00:02 |
| markinfo | vcard 2.1 or vcard 3.0 ? | 00:03 |
| tadzik | whatever floats your goat :) | 00:04 |
| vi_ | vcard 2.1, android is not knowf for compatability | 00:04 |
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| NeutrinoPower | hi, I reflashed maemo5 yesterday on n900 now I want install some application like a barcode-reader to scan the WPA2-key... is there an manual how to install application via USB or is there an Software to manage the N900 on PC? | 00:13 |
| NeutrinoPower | (I use archlinux) | 00:13 |
| tadzik | why do you want to do this via usb? | 00:14 |
| NeutrinoPower | I don't have any connection to the internet with my N900 | 00:15 |
| tadzik | you should be able to setup usbnetwork somehow | 00:15 |
| tadzik | or the easy way, copy over the .deb files and install them manually | 00:16 |
| NeutrinoPower | oh yeah, I want this | 00:16 |
| NeutrinoPower | usbnetwork.. | 00:16 |
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| tadzik | that I don't know much about | 00:16 |
| vi_ | NeutrinoPower: search in google 'n900 usbnetworking' | 00:16 |
| vi_ | ~usbnetworking | 00:17 |
| infobot | i heard usbnetworking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 00:17 |
| vi_ | ^that | 00:17 |
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| vi_ | is there a way to transfer contacts manually? | 00:57 |
| vi_ | I.e. transferring over the database? | 00:57 |
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| Preflex | Hi. I uploaded a package extras using the extras assistant about 45 minutes ago and I don't see any sign of it in the autobuilder queue or in the extras-cauldron-builds archives. | 01:30 |
| Preflex | Is this normal? | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder defect? | 01:43 |
| Preflex | Looks like it. Not sure what's going on. Never packaged a deb or uploaded before. | 01:44 |
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| jacekowski | Preflex: have you uploaded it correctly | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | Preflex: sources and other files | 01:52 |
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| Preflex | I think so. Maemo Extras Assistant said "Thank you for uploading pv. Your files have now been moved to the autobuilder queue." | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the build queue | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when last pkg been built | 01:58 |
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| Preflex | Mon Nov 26 03:50:53 EET 2012 | 01:59 |
| Preflex | at least, that's the time of the last entry here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html | 02:00 |
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| Preflex | trying scp or dput but i guess garage hasn't updated my key yet. | 02:15 |
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| Preflex | I guess I'll just wait a few hours and try again with dput. | 02:19 |
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| Drathir | vi____: lol ^^ ad step 1... hrhr | 02:29 |
| M4rtinK | Preflex: the autobuilder is down - since november 6 | 02:46 |
| M4rtinK | Preflex: they are hopefully working on making it work again | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like wiki | 02:47 |
| Preflex | Oh. Thanks. | 02:47 |
| M4rtinK | for more info see the recent posts in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59933 | 02:48 |
| M4rtinK | also according to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1298719#post1298719 | 02:51 |
| M4rtinK | there should be a conference call with Nokia & Nemein next week that might hopefully clear things up | 02:52 |
| M4rtinK | well, shame the Fremantle OBS project didn't progress faster | 02:52 |
| Preflex | Yeah. Bummer. | 02:53 |
| M4rtinK | might have saved us all the problems with autobuilder we have now | 02:53 |
| M4rtinK | and it really rocks when it works :) | 02:53 |
| M4rtinK | (OBS) | 02:53 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, good night everyone ! :) | 02:55 |
| Preflex | Good night. | 02:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | /clear | 04:11 |
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| Drathir | maybe someone know how to add support ac3 to openmediaplayer? | 05:12 |
| Drathir | mplayer works ok but omp say that cant open file ; cant find sound codec DVD AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder. | 05:15 |
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| * Jay_BEE looks around | 06:35 | |
| Jay_BEE | blah... I dropped my N900 and now it's stuck in a reboot loop. It displays the Nokia logo, then reboots. *le sigh* | 06:36 |
| Jay_BEE | For that to happen, tells me it's a physical issue and cannot be overcome by reflashing. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know. | 06:38 |
| Ken-Young | Jay_BEE, Thist did you try removing the battery for a mnute or two? is a long shot, bu | 06:39 |
| Jay_BEE | No, I have not. Trying it now. Thanks. brb | 06:39 |
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| Ken-Young | Jay_BEE, DOn't get your hopes up. It's a long shot, but can't hurt. | 06:40 |
| Jay_BEE | I'm not. I'm already of the mind that she's a goner. | 06:41 |
| Jay_BEE | Unfortunately, I will lose some precious photos and a couple of phone numbers that were not backed up. | 06:42 |
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| Jay_BEE | For what it's worth, I got it from eBay with a warranty, so at best I'll be able to get a replacement or refund. | 06:46 |
| Jay_BEE | I'd really rather have the unsaved pictures and phone numbers. | 06:47 |
| Ken-Young | Jay_BEE, I think there's a power-up option that will make it present the internal flash as a USB drive. THat might still work even if it won't boot, and you could get your stuff off that way. | 06:48 |
| Jay_BEE | You think. I've never heard of such an option. I would love to know the specifics, if it is possible! | 06:50 |
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| Ken-Young | Jay_BEE, I googled around, and didn't find a way to do it. I may have been mistaken about that being a possibility. If you reflash just the kernel, maybe it would boot then, without wiping your OS. I'm assuming you did not install boot menu. If you have boot menu, there are many other possible recovery routes. | 07:03 |
| Jay_BEE | No, I have not installed boot menu. | 07:04 |
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| Ken-Young | Jay_BEE, If you check back here during the evening in Europe, you'll probably find a lot more knowledgable people. | 07:06 |
| Jay_BEE | hmm ok.... thx... I'll stick around | 07:06 |
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| Drathir | Jay_BEE: try also get out sim and mmc card and then on the phone... | 07:25 |
| Jay_BEE | yeah... the sim is already out and I don't have media card installed | 07:25 |
| Drathir | Ken-Young: its only 6:25 ^^ | 07:26 |
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| Drathir | maybe also try combination with keyboard open and closed...? | 07:27 |
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| Jay_BEE | I've already tried that | 07:28 |
| Jay_BEE | to no avail. :( | 07:28 |
| Drathir | sad that not bm onboard... with them maybe will be possible do a backup... | 07:30 |
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| kerio | Jay_BEE: can you enter the flashing mode? | 07:58 |
| Jay_BEE | about to try that now | 07:58 |
| kerio | Drathir: have you installed decoders-support? | 08:01 |
| kerio | if that fails, try to find an appropriate gstreamer decoder for that codec | 08:01 |
| kerio | Jay_BEE: if the flashing mode works you can try loading rescueOS, if everything else fails | 08:06 |
| kerio | so at least you can copy your data from the device | 08:06 |
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| Jay_BEE | it appears I have reached flashing mode.... should I expect to Windows to mount a drive or do I need to load this rescueOS thing? What is rescueOS? | 08:10 |
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| Jay_BEE | kerio? | 08:27 |
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| RST38h | ...Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Chambliss used directory assistance to call SCP-1750-A and agreed to payment through a combination of funds accessed through a checking account and manual labor threading technetium bolts onto nuts. | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | yay, kerio beats me to it, was about to suggest rescueOS | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~rescueos | 10:01 |
| infobot | somebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 10:01 |
| Jay_BEE | i have it now thx | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | Jay_BEE: reboot loop *might* be caused by filesystem corruption caused by sudden removal of battery | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | unlikely but possible | 10:09 |
| Jay_BEE | meaning a reflash would fix? | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | yep | 10:10 |
| Jay_BEE | k... i'm booted into reloadOS but get errors when executing mass-storage-enable.sh | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | alas you need to flash /home as well, and that will nuke your MyDocs | 10:10 |
| Jay_BEE | win xp cries "usb device not recognized" | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | hmm, might be corruption of MyDocs or ~user | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | or defect eMMC | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | iirc we talked some user thru a system-modification that completely replaced eMMC by uSD-card, so he was able to use a N900 even with defect eMMC | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | quite some time ago | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | but first try a full reflash: combined, vanilla, combined | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | after you're done with your efforts to rescue your photos etc | 10:16 |
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| Lava_Croft | my solution to XP not recognizing the USB device is sadly no option for you i guess | 10:18 |
| Lava_Croft | since i usually turn the device on and connect it to the computer and then it will recognize it when you connect it for flashing | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | Jay_BEE: btw mass storage will not allow to safe your contacts/phone-numbers | 10:28 |
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| Jay_BEE | d'oh | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | afaik | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | you should backup your /home/user/* to uSD card | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | particularly /home/user/.osso-abook/ | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | beware, you might run into doing a backup of /home/user/MyDocs when trying to copy /home/user/* | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | MyDocs however is your 28GB partition | 10:35 |
| * Macer punches his android tf101 in the face | 10:35 | |
| tadzik | they evolved faces? Exciting times | 10:36 |
| Lava_Croft | now your fist hurts | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chuck N. | 10:36 |
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| Lava_Croft | Yeah, leave it to internet to turn a horrible american actor into a hero | 10:37 |
| Lava_Croft | and i use the term actor rather loosely here:) | 10:37 |
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| Macer | yes | 10:38 |
| tadzik | says the one who uses the big-breasted artificial archeologist as a nickname inspiration :P | 10:38 |
| Macer | it's a widget :-P | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | how many push-ups can Chuck do? ALL of them! | 10:38 |
| Lava_Croft | tadzik: its actually not really related to lara croft, but more to quake and lava in its DM maps:) | 10:38 |
| Macer | haha | 10:38 |
| Macer | yeah.. chuck norris is an awful actr | 10:38 |
| Macer | but the white trash loves him | 10:38 |
| Macer | only in walker texas ranger can you be evacuating a town from a giant bomb getting ready to explode and have people running outside with giant smiles on their faces | 10:39 |
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| Lava_Croft | only in walker texas ranger, chuck norris would have a paid job as an actor | 10:39 |
| Lava_Croft | oh wait, i might have overlooked The Expendables | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | what happens when Chuck Norris punches his android tf101 in the face? Google breaks into two halves. | 10:41 |
| Lava_Croft | I wish something would happen to people making Chuck Norris jokes in 2012 | 10:41 |
| Lava_Croft | something bad | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | I wish chuck norris would kick the nuts of people insulting other people on IRC just for fun | 10:42 |
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| Lava_Croft | i dont think people like chuck norris are allowed to enter my country | 10:43 |
| Lava_Croft | or at least it should be | 10:43 |
| Lava_Croft | and wishing something bad to happen to someone isnt exaclty an insult | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | +q maybe is, though. I'm starting to get tired of your teachering | 10:44 |
| Lava_Croft | if you have trouble ignoring certain things on IRC, this might not be the place for you | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | if you think you're so fucking smarter and better than the rest of us here, why are you still here? | 10:44 |
| Lava_Croft | what makes you think i would think such a thing? | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | every post of you tells that fact clearly | 10:45 |
| Lava_Croft | I think this says more about how you percieve these things than how they really are in reality | 10:45 |
| Lava_Croft | and i cannot disagree with how you percieve things | 10:46 |
| * Macer kicks this tf101 | 10:46 | |
| Macer | i wish i could run maemo on this thing :-/ | 10:46 |
| Macer | can't someone take the maemo stuff and make it boot on a tf101? | 10:47 |
| Macer | heh | 10:47 |
| tadzik | pax, pax | 10:47 |
| tadzik | don't do those quake deatchmatches here | 10:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer06 appoints Lava_Croft as officila troll#2 of #maemo | 10:47 | |
| Ken-Young | Who is #1? | 10:47 |
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| tadzik | The Banned One? :> | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | clearly kerio | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ;-) | 10:48 |
| Lava_Croft | You either swallow or you are a troll :) | 10:48 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer06: hahaha... yes | 10:48 |
| jaska | trollum de jure | 10:48 |
| Macer | the shockwaves travel to google and their data centers explode | 10:48 |
| Macer | att is so slow where i am | 10:49 |
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| Ken-Young | Macer, Where is that? | 10:51 |
| Macer | well.... a specific part of chicago | 10:51 |
| Lava_Croft | Aren't cities always horrible for cell coverage | 10:52 |
| tadzik | nope | 10:52 |
| Macer | i have to wait for a special version of gapps to download | 10:52 |
| Lava_Croft | Well, they are here in NL | 10:52 |
| Ken-Young | Boston isn't. | 10:52 |
| Macer | so it could be the hackyourlife.org site | 10:52 |
| Macer | heh | 10:52 |
| tadzik | national forests are worse :) | 10:52 |
| Macer | no... usually it goes rather fast | 10:52 |
| Lava_Croft | Anywhere inbetween some bigger buildings and coverage is poof | 10:52 |
| Lava_Croft | go inside and its even worse:< | 10:52 |
| tadzik | I don't experience that | 10:52 |
| Macer | i don't usually either | 10:53 |
| Macer | att lte is actually pretty damn fast | 10:53 |
| Lava_Croft | You probably dont live in the perpetually underperforming Netherlands | 10:53 |
| tadzik | maybe because there's a cell tower outside the window | 10:53 |
| Macer | albeit a ripoff for 5GB | 10:53 |
| Lava_Croft | This country is tiny, but getting proper 3G coverage everywhere seems impossible | 10:53 |
| Macer | it's lte :) | 10:53 |
| Macer | 3G is so N900 :-P | 10:53 |
| Lava_Croft | or N9 :) | 10:54 |
| Macer | that too i supose... i thought N9s were "4G" | 10:54 |
| tadzik | heh, I still use 2.5 most of the time | 10:54 |
| Macer | marketing at its best | 10:54 |
| Lava_Croft | The terms 4g, 3g, 3,5g mean different things in different countries | 10:54 |
| Lava_Croft | it seems | 10:54 |
| tadzik | I have it set for the sake of battery usage, and can't be bothered to change it to 3G when I occasionally need something on the web | 10:54 |
| Macer | 4G = It might be able to | 10:54 |
| Macer | heh | 10:54 |
| Macer | no wait... It is 3G but might be able to be 4G later | 10:55 |
| Macer | thanks to apple for the number brainwashing | 10:55 |
| Lava_Croft | Not just apple:) | 10:55 |
| Lava_Croft | telco's too | 10:55 |
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| Ken-Young | Does anyone have their N900 successfully syncing with google calendar? I had that working until a couple of weeks ago (with syncEvolution) and then it stopped working. | 11:01 |
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| vi____ | Ken-Young: Yes, sync evolution. | 11:02 |
| vi____ | It can sync multiple calanders and tasks. | 11:02 |
| vi____ | Does anyone know if autobuilder is still down? | 11:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | tadzik: indeed automating the switching to 3G/dual when starting up microB would be a quite useful thing to implement | 11:03 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer06: Autodisconnect! | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | I doubt the friggin autodisconnect has any concept to do this | 11:04 |
| vi____ | No, but it does have a 'change from 2g->3g/dual' on connection to gprs internet. | 11:05 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, sync evolution give me "unexpected slow sync (local, status 22000)" "error code from Synthesis engine local, status 20048" - any idea what might cause that? | 11:05 |
| vi____ | Ken-Young: None whatsoever. | 11:05 |
| vi____ | Have you looked up the error message. | 11:05 |
| vi____ | ? | 11:05 |
| vi____ | Also did you use syncevolution front end or set it up from the command line? | 11:06 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, I've looked, but not founf it. | 11:06 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, I'm doing it from the command line. | 11:06 |
| vi____ | Ken-Young: Have you tried a complete re-sync? | 11:06 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, Yup. | 11:07 |
| vi____ | Have you tried deleteing the whole lot and starting again? | 11:07 |
| vi____ | ~googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 | 11:08 |
| infobot | okay, vi____ | 11:08 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, THat I have not tried. | 11:08 |
| vi____ | did you follow this: | 11:08 |
| vi____ | ~googlesyncevolution | 11:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75810 | 11:08 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, THanks for the pointer, I'll start going through that. | 11:09 |
| vi____ | Is the wiki editable again yet? | 11:09 |
| vi____ | Ken-Young: From that post I was able to set up multiple calendar syncs with task sync. | 11:09 |
| Ken-Young | vi____, I had fcron doing everything nicely, then it broke. It had worked for a long while. | 11:10 |
| vi____ | I think the truth lies in figuring out what the error message means. | 11:11 |
| vi____ | freemangordon_: ping | 11:12 |
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| Ken-Young | vi____, It looks like the slow sync might be working. Thanks again for your help. | 11:27 |
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| Ken-Young | vi____, My google calendar syncing works flawlessly now. You are my hero. | 12:08 |
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| vi____ | Ken-Young: If you figured out something new, please post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your experience. | 12:23 |
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| freemangordon_ | vi____: pong | 12:48 |
| vi____ | 2 questions. | 12:48 |
| vi____ | 1. To facilitate 720p recording, you created a script that stopped tracker, correct? | 12:48 |
| vi____ | also, goodmorning! | 12:49 |
| freemangordon_ | hi | 12:49 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: stopping tracker is not because 720p | 12:49 |
| freemangordon_ | but because of the stutter in videos if tracker is running while a video is recorded | 12:49 |
| vi____ | freemangordon_: Why did you not just ionice the shit out of tracker? | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | it affects all of the resolutions. it is the fix/workaround for a long-standing "recorded videos stutter" bug | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | do we have ionice? | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | as tracker is already niced to 10-15 | 12:51 |
| vi____ | In busybox power. | 12:51 |
| vi____ | mmm | 12:51 |
| vi____ | ok | 12:51 |
| vi____ | ionice is for nice'ing IO as oppose to cpu. | 12:51 |
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| freemangordon_ | yeah, but there is no such thing in stock bb | 12:52 |
| freemangordon_ | afaik | 12:52 |
| MrPingu | Hi freemangordon_ | 12:52 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: you know what? | 12:52 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: hi | 12:52 |
| merlin1991 | yep stock busybox has no ionice | 12:52 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: I feel very very stupid :( | 12:53 |
| vi____ | freemangordon_: If you can compile a program to be statically linked, that means it does not need external libs. Does that mean you could run a hardfp binary if it is statically linked? | 12:53 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: yep | 12:53 |
| vi____ | freemangordon_: aah, chin up mate. | 12:53 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: instead if stopping the tracker, I can just do kill SIGSTOP/SIGCONT | 12:53 |
| freemangordon_ | and get rid of those 2-3 seconds deay compared to stock camera ;) | 12:54 |
| freemangordon_ | *delay | 12:54 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: We don't have -dev packages thumb compiled right? | 12:54 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: of course we have | 12:55 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: how do you think, will STOP/CONT do the job? | 12:56 |
| MrPingu | Installed gdb, hildon-home-dbg what else do I need? | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | MrOpposite: glibc-dbg | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | oope | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: ^^^ | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: it is in SDK repo | 12:57 |
| MrPingu | I enabled that one | 12:57 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I'd try it | 12:57 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: me too | 12:57 |
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| merlin1991 | what does the camera-ui do currently when you tab out? | 12:58 |
| merlin1991 | keep recording? | 12:58 |
| vi____ | Well if you have anytime is there a chance of a thumb2, neon enabled, hardfp, statically linked mplayer? :D | 12:58 |
| merlin1991 | hm I need to reflash 2 of my n900s | 12:59 |
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| merlin1991 | gotta swap my -stable and my -testing device (the -testing has a semi broken modem) | 13:00 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: are you sure its glibc-dbg? | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | SIGSTOPing a process that has dbus connection will for sure do no good | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | SIGSTOPing processes that are monitored by dsme is a sure way to get reboots | 13:01 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer06: apart from tracker not responding to dbus calls, what else could happen? | 13:01 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer06: hm, I am almost sure dsme will not care as long as there is no SIGCHILD | 13:01 |
| freemangordon_ | also have in mind bsowserd is SIGSTOPed | 13:02 |
| freemangordon_ | *browserd | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | dbus will possibly block, or kick the dbus client from list of active clients (== lose association) | 13:02 |
| freemangordon_ | but who will talk to trackerd while a video is recorded? | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | killall -sigstop /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 | 13:03 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer06: we are talking about tracker here | 13:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 13:04 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, why the hell pidof does not work for trackerd? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you explain to me what's the differences that matter here, between bme and trackerd, and I accept it might not apply | 13:05 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: u sure it's glibc-dbg and not libc6-dbg? | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until then, my claims about dsme causing reboot when monitored process gets SIGSTOPed stand | 13:06 |
| freemangordon_ | trackerd does not run always | 13:06 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: could be, not exactly sure about the package name | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also my claims about dbus not reacting nice to client getting stopped stand | 13:06 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: seems not as you said it's in SDK and libc6-dbg is pulled from cssu-testing | 13:08 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: no way libc6-dbg to be in CSSU afaik | 13:09 |
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| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: tracker is not run by dsme. | 13:09 |
| MrPingu | Get:1 http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle/free libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 [3547kB] | 13:10 |
| freemangordon_ | the fuck, what is that? | 13:10 |
| freemangordon_ | Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 | 13:10 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: ^^^ | 13:10 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: :nod: | 13:11 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: I might have cssu-devel enabled? | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: well what did you upload? | 13:11 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: where? | 13:11 |
| freemangordon_ | in -devel? | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | either -devel or -thumb nothing else lives on maemo.merlin1991.at | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | (except tiny extras) | 13:12 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah, it is in -devel | 13:12 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: what version you have installed? | 13:12 |
| freemangordon_ | of lbc that is | 13:12 |
| freemangordon_ | *libc | 13:13 |
| MrPingu | That one, I posted above | 13:13 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, install -dbg symbols too (if not already did) and you're good to go | 13:13 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: | 13:13 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I guess that's your ppoll enabled glibc? | 13:14 |
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| freemangordon_ | merlin1991: yeah | 13:14 |
| freemangordon_ | Seems I have forgotten I ut it in -devel | 13:14 |
| MrPingu | Confirmed, I had cssu-devel enabled. | 13:14 |
| MrPingu | Sure, I am good to go? I mean libc6 is quite essential :P | 13:15 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: no prblrm with that. however, as long as h-h "hang", you should run gdb (preferably from ssh session), find the pids of hildon-home and attach gdb to the second one | 13:16 |
| freemangordon_ | s/as long/as soon | 13:16 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: to attach to process: | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timeout for dbus is ~120s iirc | 13:16 |
| freemangordon_ | gdb | 13:16 |
| freemangordon_ | >attach $PID | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better terminate processes than stop them for extended periods of time | 13:17 |
| vi____ | freemangordon_: Another thing to stop is hildon-notification-daemon thing. | 13:18 |
| vi____ | It is set in syspart as having maximum priority. | 13:18 |
| MrPingu | So I need to attach it, after it "hangs"? | 13:18 |
| vi____ | It always fucks up everything when a new notification bubble appears. | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: attaching gdb after a process gets stuck is relatively useless | 13:19 |
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| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: That's what I thought | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: better run the process into stuck condition under gdb control | 13:20 |
| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: we don't know what it causes to "stuck" :( | 13:21 |
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| MrPingu | Hence no easy way to reproduce it | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | attaching to stuck process is kinda like doing a post mortem analysis, won't give much more info than what you could get from a coredump | 13:21 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: define "stuck process" | 13:22 |
| MrPingu | So I need to run gdb 24/7 till it occurs? | 13:22 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: no | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: see `man ps` | 13:22 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: bullshit | 13:22 |
| freemangordon_ | it is either in system call | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_: moron | 13:22 |
| freemangordon_ | or couting like Chuck | 13:23 |
| freemangordon_ | *counting | 13:23 |
| freemangordon_ | it is deffinitey not zombie | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you said zombie | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so apply buöllshit to your statement | 13:23 |
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| freemangordon_ | yep, you said stuck, attaching debugger to a process which is not zombie will give you the backtrace | 13:24 |
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| freemangordon_ | along with info threads and all good things like that | 13:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just like attaching to a coredump will | 13:24 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: no, it is not the same | 13:25 |
| freemangordon_ | and AFAIK h-h does not crash | 13:25 |
| freemangordon_ | so no coredump | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pfff | 13:25 |
| MrPingu | It doesn't crash, it doesn't react to touches EXCEPT swipes | 13:25 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: ever tried to analize coredump from n900? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who said it does - I didn't even know which process you're debugging, since nobody mentioned it last 10 posts | 13:26 |
| freemangordon_ | *analyze | 13:26 |
| MrPingu | Widgets are frozen and you get the hildon-home is not responding window | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I'm not in the mood for insult a la freemangordon_ right now | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find someone else to argue with | 13:27 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: read the backscroll then, along with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86804 | 13:27 |
| freemangordon_ | to understand the background | 13:28 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: BTW if you have a better idea than attaching gdb, please share it | 13:28 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: BTW do you have some screenlock replacement installed? | 13:31 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: no | 13:31 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 13:31 |
| MrPingu | Rather clean device, as I reflashed 2 weeks ago | 13:31 |
| int_ua | is extras builder looped on python? | 13:31 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: BTW did you try to remove all of the widgets? | 13:32 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: no, but peterleinchen had the same issues and the only mutual widgets we had were calendar + media player | 13:33 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah, saw that | 13:33 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: Also, reboot fixed it and all my widgets restored | 13:33 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: ofc reboot will fix it :) | 13:34 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: I understand, but sometimes h-h also crashes widgets don't restore | 13:35 |
| MrPingu | though that hasn't happened for a long time | 13:35 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: did you check what is the CPU usage when h-h is 'hang' | 13:35 |
| MrPingu | Yes | 13:36 |
| MrPingu | normal | 13:36 |
| freemangordon_ | not good | 13:36 |
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| MrPingu | actually first thing I checked as I knew there were reports of h-h going for 100% | 13:37 |
| freemangordon_ | well, I still insist it is some third-party widget/software causing that prblem | 13:37 |
| MrPingu | The 100% bug or what peterleinchen and I experienced? | 13:38 |
| freemangordon_ | both | 13:39 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: btw could you pastebin the contents of /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders | 13:39 |
| freemangordon_ | ls -al that is | 13:39 |
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| int_ua | Hey, people! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/date.html | 13:39 |
| int_ua | extras builder is stuck with python | 13:40 |
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| int_ua | from September | 13:40 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: along with /usr/share/applications/hildon-home | 13:40 |
| int_ua | s/from/since/ | 13:40 |
| infobot | int_ua meant: since September | 13:40 |
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| MrPingu | freemangordon_: http://pastebin.com/afh7qFGn | 13:44 |
| MrPingu | thats one | 13:44 |
| MrPingu | http://pastebin.com/HnZdjiex | 13:44 |
| MrPingu | http://pastebin.com/xi582r0n | 13:46 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: ^^^ | 13:46 |
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| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: what is touchsearch.desktop? | 13:49 |
| MrPingu | A widget I don't use | 13:50 |
| MrPingu | It provides a google-searchbar widget | 13:50 |
| Raimu | Also customizable searches in general | 13:51 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: purged it and it removes the python loader | 13:51 |
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| vi____ | freemangordon_: what does libstartup do? | 13:52 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: NFC | 13:53 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: any idea why qt plugin loader is installed? | 13:53 |
| MrPingu | Sticky Notes widgets I guess | 13:54 |
| freemangordon_ | do you use that? | 13:55 |
| MrPingu | Yes | 13:55 |
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| MrPingu | You suspect that might be the problem? | 13:58 |
| MrPingu | It's the only widget that uses the qt-plugin loader | 13:59 |
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| MrPingu | Peterleinchen did not have that widget so that doesn't explain his freeze | 14:01 |
| freemangordon_ | MrPingu: yes, but i is possible he has another qt widget | 14:03 |
| MrPingu | It would be nice if he can pastebin the same output, then | 14:03 |
| freemangordon_ | do you have a link to his list? | 14:03 |
| freemangordon_ | i cannot find it | 14:04 |
| MrPingu | On the TMO thread, i thought | 14:04 |
| MrPingu | My bad, it isn't there | 14:08 |
| MrPingu | IDK, then... | 14:08 |
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| vi____ | MrPingu: Can you pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf | 14:11 |
| vi____ | for me. | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 127.0.0.1 | 14:13 |
| MrPingu | nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 14:13 |
| MrPingu | ;) | 14:13 |
| MrPingu | Anyway G2G, bye! | 14:25 |
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| Hurrian_ | vi___, did you see that dude with the 3 N950s? | 14:46 |
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| jon_y | Hurrian_: what. | 14:49 |
| Hurrian_ | jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621&page=3 | 14:49 |
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| jon_y | I agree with vi____ :) | 14:50 |
| Hurrian_ | man, no silver N950s popping up yet? | 14:50 |
| jon_y | now to get radvd working on the phone :) | 14:50 |
| jon_y | how good is ipv6 support on the phone anyway? | 14:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders where his N950 package vanished | 15:05 | |
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| vi____ | 3 n950! | 15:15 |
| vi____ | fool! | 15:15 |
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| freemangordon_ | vi____: yeah | 15:29 |
| freemangordon_ | I wonder how old is that guy | 15:29 |
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| vi____ | freemangordon_: well he must be employed in some capacity. | 15:44 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer51: could you take me any tips with if good remember talks about wifi optimisation? | 15:51 |
| Drathir | kerio: yes installed... | 15:51 |
| Drathir | kerio: ok i will look gstreamer for ac3 | 15:53 |
| freemangordon_ | vi____: both me and google translate cannot parse :) | 15:56 |
| vi____ | He must have a job to be able to afford so many n950. | 15:57 |
| vi____ | He has more than you! | 15:57 |
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| Lava_Croft | 3 N950's, but wheres the applications he is supposed to write? :) | 16:18 |
| jon_y | "I am Rich" app :) | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | 'I was rich" | 16:19 |
| Lava_Croft | er " | 16:19 |
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| vi____ | n950 is only any use for developing for...n950s | 16:29 |
| vi____ | Despite what whiners whine, it is not a development device. | 16:29 |
| Luke-Jr | exactly why I'd like one | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | <.< | 16:30 |
| vi____ | Luke-Jr: You dont, they suck balls. | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | actually, no, put Gentoo on that thing and develop for any platform :P | 16:30 |
| jon_y | really? why so? | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | vi____: not as bad as N9 | 16:30 |
| vi____ | worse than n9. | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | nope | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | N9 lacks a keyboard | 16:30 |
| Luke-Jr | that's a killer | 16:30 |
| vi____ | n950 lacks ANY AVAILABLITY OF SPARE PARTS. | 16:31 |
| jon_y | also, SD card | 16:31 |
| vi____ | Also, LCD rot. | 16:31 |
| Luke-Jr | vi____: that's only a problem when you damage it | 16:31 |
| vi____ | Luke-Jr: yeah... | 16:31 |
| M4rtinK | also no gamegripper for the N950 | 16:31 |
| Luke-Jr | I'll take irrepairable over no-keyboard any day | 16:31 |
| jon_y | so, collector's items in the next 15 years? :) | 16:32 |
| vi____ | consider how many spare parts your n900 goes through. | 16:32 |
| Luke-Jr | vi____: zero | 16:32 |
| vi____ | jon_y: not really. | 16:32 |
| tadzik | lucky you | 16:32 |
| Lava_Croft | N950 has problem with its screen too | 16:32 |
| Luke-Jr | and I've dropped it from shirt pocket to pavement multiple times | 16:32 |
| vi____ | Luke-Jr: You clearly do not use your n900 as a daily device. | 16:32 |
| Luke-Jr | vi____: I sure do! | 16:32 |
| Lava_Croft | I havent had parts fall of my N900 either | 16:33 |
| vi____ | And you r keyboard is still in good condition? | 16:33 |
| tadzik | no, I know people for whom it never breaks. Lucky bastards | 16:33 |
| Luke-Jr | vi____: indeed | 16:33 |
| jon_y | well, the n950 was the last phones Nokia released before it went belly up | 16:33 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm assuming replacing the battery doesn't count as spare parts | 16:33 |
| jon_y | definitely has collector value :) | 16:33 |
| vi____ | nokia did not release the n950. | 16:33 |
| jon_y | released/teased | 16:33 |
| Lava_Croft | last real Nokia was the N9, the N950 is not a consumer device, it wasnt ever released nor did nokia ever sell it | 16:34 |
| vi____ | old tech does not become valuable. | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | vi____: wrong | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | if the rumours are true, about 12,5k N950 were produced | 16:34 |
| Lava_Croft | Depending on availability, old hardware can become quite valuable | 16:34 |
| Luke-Jr | M4rtinK: where'd they all go? :o | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | Luke-Jr: no idea - just citing that recent finish article | 16:35 |
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| vi____ | well, it was a shite device anyway. | 16:35 |
| Lava_Croft | articles regarding the amount of harmattan devices produced have rarely been close to the truth | 16:35 |
| M4rtinK | Lava_Croft: maybe to some landfill next to a huge pile of old NES cartridges ? :) | 16:36 |
| Lava_Croft | old NES carts are valuable! | 16:36 |
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| ivgalvez | hi everyone | 17:49 |
| ivgalvez | good news from Nokia | 17:50 |
| ivgalvez | they are going to fund us for buying the servers we will need to do the migration | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's nice of them. | 17:53 |
| ivgalvez | and they are willing to transfer us almost everything | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | ivgalvez, happen to have anything written up on this? | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blog, Talk thread, mailing list, whatever? | 17:55 |
| ivgalvez | yes, we need to prepare all the communications needed, also with other Board members and Council | 17:56 |
| vi____ | ivgalvez: Good news everybody! | 17:56 |
| thedead1440 | ivgalvez so maemo.org domain and resources is secured? | 17:56 |
| ivgalvez | but I was so happy that I couldn't avoid to tell it here | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | ivgalvez, either ping me or Jaffa when you get a summary up so we can shunt it to @mwkn | 17:56 |
| ivgalvez | yes | 17:56 |
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| ivgalvez | sure | 17:56 |
| thedead1440 | its brilliant thanks for it! | 17:56 |
| ivgalvez | now I need a volunteer | 17:57 |
| ivgalvez | to prepare a list of files not already hosted at maemo.org that are needed to keep the devices working | 17:57 |
| ivgalvez | i.e. all packages at Nokia repositories | 17:58 |
| ivgalvez | all files included in SDKs | 17:58 |
| ivgalvez | all these files will be hosted at Nokia for a while, this way we will be sure that they won't dissapear without notice | 17:59 |
| ivgalvez | and Nokia will try to transfer the rights fro redistribution to the Foundation | 18:00 |
| ivgalvez | as there will be thir parties involved, that will take more time than the migration itself | 18:00 |
| thedead1440 | wouldn't one person doing it increase chances of something being missed? Why not collate them on a thread @ TMO? My 2cents... | 18:00 |
| qwazix | wow! perfect. | 18:00 |
| qwazix | I agree with thedead1440 | 18:00 |
| flux | a thread 'doing it' makes its nobody's reponsibility :) | 18:01 |
| qwazix | be back in 20' | 18:01 |
| qwazix | bye for now | 18:02 |
| ivgalvez | yes, that would be better | 18:02 |
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| thedead1440 | flux one person can still be in charge of ensuring all that is mentioned in the thread is collated? | 18:02 |
| ivgalvez | would you mind to open that thread and coordinate the efforts? | 18:02 |
| thedead1440 | me? sure no probs | 18:02 |
| ivgalvez | I have to write a dozen of emails now | 18:03 |
| ivgalvez | thanks a lot | 18:03 |
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| flux | thedead1440, sure | 18:03 |
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| thedead1440 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88031 | 18:11 |
| thedead1440 | is it ok? | 18:11 |
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| ivgalvez | great | 18:15 |
| ivgalvez | please specify that we nned all the files for both Maemo and Harmattan | 18:15 |
| ivgalvez | and all incarnations of Maemo | 18:15 |
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| ivgalvez | thank you very much | 18:16 |
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| vi____ | ivgalvez: Ask them for ALL the fremantle source code as well :) | 18:17 |
| ivgalvez | haha | 18:17 |
| vi____ | oly shit, that guy on TMO has 4 n950. | 18:17 |
| kerio | give us the codes pls | 18:18 |
| kerio | vi____: seen that thread, awesome :D | 18:18 |
| MrPingu | freemangordon_: I removed all python + qtwidgets loaders | 18:18 |
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| MrPingu | my /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loader/ doesn't even exist anymore, now let's see if it will happen again | 18:19 |
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| vi____ | seriously | 18:21 |
| vi____ | fremantle source code, I need it. | 18:21 |
| ivgalvez | ask freemangordon, he can RE it for you :-D | 18:23 |
| kerio | vi____: should i remove nokia maps? | 18:23 |
| vi____ | kerio: Do you ever use it? | 18:24 |
| vi____ | Bear in mind it is the most up to date map program on the n900. | 18:24 |
| vi____ | Although it is utter shit. | 18:24 |
| vi____ | I do not know. | 18:24 |
| vi____ | I am conflicted also. | 18:24 |
| MrPingu | speaking of maps applications; what application does work for fast location look ups and support reasonable (sizewise) offline maps | 18:25 |
| vi____ | what do you mean reasonable size? | 18:25 |
| MrPingu | Nokia maps and sygic, take only 100mb per country | 18:26 |
| vi____ | I still do not understand your Q | 18:27 |
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| kerio | vi____: modrana is also up to date | 18:27 |
| kerio | MrPingu: modrana! | 18:27 |
| vi____ | modrana...is written in python. | 18:27 |
| kerio | modrana!1!1 | 18:28 |
| MrPingu | all those tiles software give much bigger size, for offline use | 18:28 |
| kerio | vi____: wtf is libnavigation0 for? | 18:28 |
| vi____ | LOL I DUNNO | 18:28 |
| kerio | MrPingu: not with reasonable tiles - and modrana has a way of storing all the tiles in a single file | 18:29 |
| vi____ | kerio: perhaps it is the backend for nokia maps and that worthless location widget. | 18:29 |
| kerio | but trying to remove it also removes 66 packages | 18:29 |
| vi____ | what packages? | 18:30 |
| vi____ | sensible stuff | 18:30 |
| kerio | try it | 18:30 |
| vi____ | or everything? | 18:30 |
| kerio | apt-get remove libnavigation0 | 18:30 |
| kerio | nokiamessaging, osso-addressbook, rtcom-messaging-ui... | 18:30 |
| vi____ | whoa | 18:30 |
| vi____ | everything. | 18:30 |
| vi____ | It looks like it is part of the mp-fremantle dependency cloisterfaulke. | 18:31 |
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| kerio | vi____: nah | 18:31 |
| kerio | the community mp doesn't care | 18:31 |
| kerio | vi____: wtf is nokiamessaging? | 18:33 |
| vi____ | it is a discontinued service. | 18:34 |
| kerio | it's apaprently intellisyncd | 18:34 |
| MrPingu | kerio: part of the some nokia service | 18:34 |
| kerio | *apparently | 18:34 |
| vi____ | Unless you have been grandfathered an account, do not worry about it. | 18:34 |
| MrPingu | pushserver-service to be precise | 18:35 |
| kerio | so i *should* do apt-get remove ^as-.* | 18:35 |
| MrPingu | kerio, from what I know it could be break modest auto-update | 18:36 |
| kerio | cool, i don't use modest anyway | 18:36 |
| vi____ | MrPingu: I believe it is a modest plugin. | 18:36 |
| vi____ | So imap will still work. | 18:36 |
| vi____ | kerio: wtf do you use for email then? | 18:36 |
| kerio | idk, the gmail web interface | 18:36 |
| MrPingu | vi____: great, another thing for my list :) | 18:37 |
| vi____ | MrPingu: Your list should come with some warnings. | 18:37 |
| vi____ | For example if you remove osso-rss-reader, it will uninstall nicely. | 18:37 |
| vi____ | If you reinstall it it will reinstall UNoptified. | 18:38 |
| kerio | vi____: until you reboot | 18:38 |
| vi____ | If you reinstall it, it will reinstall UNoptified. | 18:38 |
| vi____ | kerio: optification only occours on first boot. | 18:38 |
| MrPingu | kerio, is right | 18:38 |
| MrPingu | it occurs every boot | 18:39 |
| vi____ | ... | 18:39 |
| kerio | vi____: maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh | 18:39 |
| kerio | not maemo-optify-firstboot.sh | 18:39 |
| vi____ | mmm | 18:39 |
| vi____ | I need to read those scripts again. | 18:39 |
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| MrPingu | hmmm wait | 18:40 |
| vi____ | MrPingu: add 'sharing-service-ovi' | 18:40 |
| vi____ | ovi is now defunct | 18:40 |
| MrPingu | I added maps to that script some time, still not optified | 18:42 |
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| vi____ | What? | 18:42 |
| vi____ | maps is still a valid program, not totally obsolete crap. | 18:43 |
| MrPingu | vi___: I was talking about auto -optification | 18:43 |
| vi____ | aaah | 18:43 |
| vi____ | wait. | 18:44 |
| vi____ | maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh IS run only on the first boot. | 18:44 |
| vi____ | Look in /etc for: | 18:44 |
| vi____ | maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf | 18:44 |
| vi____ | You will see a list of paths to be optified. | 18:45 |
| MrPingu | I added locale archive + nokia-maps to that file | 18:45 |
| MrPingu | but they have never been optified | 18:45 |
| MrPingu | so it is NOT run on every boot :( | 18:45 |
| vi____ | Becasue the script only gets run on firstboot. | 18:45 |
| vi____ | You could 'touch' the firstboot flag in var. | 18:46 |
| vi____ | That would cause it to be run again. | 18:46 |
| vi____ | But christ knows what else will happen if you do that. | 18:46 |
| kerio | /opt is cleaned and stuff is optified | 18:47 |
| kerio | and yes, it doesn't run properly for me either | 18:47 |
| kerio | maybe it checks for free space and leaves things in rootfs? idk | 18:47 |
| kerio | anyway, if you use that script you suck | 18:48 |
| kerio | you can't uninstall single files properly | 18:48 |
| MrPingu | In that case just symlink manually :P | 18:50 |
| kerio | *dpkg-divert manually | 18:50 |
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| MrPingu | I'm too lazy | 18:51 |
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| vi____ | midnight commander, lets you move and symlink in 2 clicks. | 18:55 |
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| MrPingu | vi____: I was talking about dpkgdivert | 19:05 |
| MrPingu | Who dares to remove location-home-applet? | 19:06 |
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| MrPingu | It's the location widget | 19:06 |
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| MrPingu | kerio: thanks, added to my script/list | 19:13 |
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| * Drathir like servers not only new one... ^^ gz news... | 20:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia buys our server hw? well, I always thought colocation is way more expensive than rental of the hw in package with hosting | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia rather should buy 1 year of root-server-hosting, e.g. at hetzner.de | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or preferably wherever the servers now are hosted | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think H-F board should be interested in *own* server hardware located at $random-location, and pay a _lot_ for colocation and even more for (hw-)service | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia rather should donate the servers recently hosting the maemo infra, incl hosting fee for first year or whatever period they feel tthey can afford | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the (hw-)servers are neither Nokia's property, nor are they even located at Nokia. | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so all Nokia had to do is: pay next year of hosting fees, remove definitely nokia-internal stuff from the servers, transfer hosting contract and root access to board | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change admin-c of maemo.org domain | 21:08 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, can you give me cssu irc cloak? | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no cssu cloak | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not the maemo GC, that's x-fade | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can ask x-fade to give you /maemo/community/contributor | 21:14 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, ok | 21:16 |
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| kerio | ooh, can i get that too? | 21:21 |
| kerio | i want @maemo/community/troll if it's possible | 21:21 |
| jaska | haha | 21:22 |
| Drathir | lol | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no troll cloaks defined either | 21:23 |
| kerio | :( | 21:23 |
| kerio | then i'll take maemo/community/contributor, if i qualify | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think you do | 21:23 |
| kerio | :D :D :D | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway please send me a mail, both Pali and kerio, so I don't forget it | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | council at maemo.org, for Joerg | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | subject IRC cloak | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and mention you main IRC account nick | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | your* | 21:27 |
| Drathir | O.o lynx cant acces https strange... | 21:27 |
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| Pali | Drathir, use *e*links | 21:29 |
| Pali | elinks has support for https | 21:29 |
| Pali | old links and lynx not | 21:29 |
| Drathir | Pali: ok , but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces different compile? | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please do me a favour and at least _try_ to improve your english a tiny bit. sth like >>but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces. Different compile?<< (added '.' and Uppercase) would already do wonders regarding legibility | 21:37 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: im sorry | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need to be sorry :-) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that often your posts are hard to parse, which will reduce probability to get any response | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is a pity since your contributions are appreciated | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (lynx) sometimes old obsoleted programs are replaced by a symlink to the new binary. Maybe that's what happens on arch lynx? | 21:47 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mail'd | 21:49 |
| Pali | I suggest to use elinks instead of other lin[ks|x]* | 21:49 |
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| tadzik | The problem is with the Qt rotation manager and a workaround is already available at the hildon-desktop's master branch | 21:53 |
| tadzik | says arcean on tmo | 21:53 |
| tadzik | wfm :) | 21:53 |
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| kerio | by the way, can we get qt text input to behave properly somehow? | 21:54 |
| kerio | hold-to-sym, not the correct kbd layout... | 21:54 |
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| Drathir | thanks, i try to find elinks arm packages... | 22:08 |
| tadzik | shit, Go doesn't build in scratchbox :/ | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wut? qt doesn't use standard input method? | 22:41 |
| kerio | nope | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe hold-to-sym isn't implemented in a "standard" way? | 22:43 |
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| kerio | there's a "standard" way to disable it | 22:43 |
| kerio | which QT doesn't follow | 22:43 |
| kerio | and it also doesn't follow my xkb layout | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then it's qt fault (regardless of the non working "standard" way to disable, which doesn't mean a thing) | 22:44 |
| MrPingu | DocScrutinizer05: You didn't know? It's a quite common issue why qt apps suck :( | 22:47 |
| * tadzik mumbles something about slow rotation | 22:47 | |
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| vi_ | ~jrtools | 23:04 |
| infobot | it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MrPingu: actually I forgot | 23:06 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05, ping | 23:09 |
| vi_ | where are these legendary xchat configs? | 23:09 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you know of someone who could be knowledgeable enough to "fix" our qt libraries? | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: ~jrtools/../xchat | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hmm, not offhand | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I guess the problem is in qt concept to stay platform independent | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I.E. qt is supposed to work on e.g. windows where's no X11 at all | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while we would prefer 'our' qt to not only use X11 input support bot possibly even gtk/hildon input support | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but* | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 'fix' might easily involve some major architecture redesign | 23:25 |
| kerio | or hopefully just some minor reconfigurations! | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess we could keep API compatibility when replacing the qt-internal stuff around decoding and handling raw key input by similar stuff from X11 and/or Hildon/GTK | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: actually your "hold-for-symbol" vs calssical key-repeat is a good example to check where this got implemented in Qt | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | classical* | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as is e.g. caps-lock, fn-lock etc | 23:31 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I say! you have converted me to xchat! | 23:33 |
| vi_ | no more irssi for me! | 23:34 |
| vi_ | I was irc'ing like a dog! | 23:34 |
| * vi_ notify | 23:34 | |
| MrPingu | vi_: he's converting everyone to xchat :p | 23:34 |
| vi_ | mmm. | 23:34 |
| vi_ | notify is not working | 23:34 |
| MrPingu | Oh notify is a bit strange | 23:34 |
| MrPingu | You need to give that script executable permissions | 23:35 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: already done that. | 23:35 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: talk at me please. | 23:36 |
| MrPingu | vi_: you need to set alerts to beep | 23:36 |
| MrPingu | vi_: I love talking to you! | 23:37 |
| MrPingu | vi_: it only vibrates | 23:37 |
| vi_ | try again! | 23:37 |
| vi_ | MrPingu: MOAR PINGU | 23:38 |
| vi_ | pls | 23:38 |
| MrPingu | Vi_: How are you doing | 23:38 |
| vi_ | lame.. | 23:39 |
| vi_ | brb | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: what's the problem? | 23:42 |
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| vi_ | MrPingu: yo | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: what you're doing? | 23:49 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: trying to get your notify script to work for xchat | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does it work when invoked from shell? | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: and are lines in xchat highlighted red when your nick is mentioned (like this line) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 23:54 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 23:59 |
| vi_ | my name is highlighted. | 23:59 |
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