IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-11-27

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markinfohi. I need to switch to android. How to transfer Contacts?00:01
tadzikexport to vcards00:02
tadzikthere's this option in contacts app00:02
vi_markinfo: step 1.  mail your old n900 to me.00:02
vi_step 2. ???00:02
vi_step 3. Contacts transferred.00:02
markinfovcard 2.1 or vcard 3.0 ?00:03
tadzikwhatever floats your goat :)00:04
vi_vcard 2.1, android is not knowf for compatability00:04
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NeutrinoPowerhi, I reflashed maemo5 yesterday on n900 now I want install some application like a barcode-reader to scan the WPA2-key... is there an manual how to install application via USB or is there an Software to manage the N900 on PC?00:13
NeutrinoPower(I use archlinux)00:13
tadzikwhy do you want to do this via usb?00:14
NeutrinoPowerI don't have any connection to the internet with my N90000:15
tadzikyou should be able to setup usbnetwork somehow00:15
tadzikor the easy way, copy over the .deb files and install them manually00:16
NeutrinoPoweroh yeah, I want this00:16
NeutrinoPowerusbnetwork..00:16
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tadzikthat I don't know much about00:16
vi_NeutrinoPower: search in google 'n900 usbnetworking'00:16
vi_~usbnetworking00:17
infoboti heard usbnetworking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking00:17
vi_^that00:17
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vi_is there a way to transfer contacts manually?00:57
vi_I.e. transferring over the database?00:57
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PreflexHi.  I uploaded a package extras using the extras assistant about 45 minutes ago and I don't see any sign of it in the autobuilder queue or in the extras-cauldron-builds archives.01:30
PreflexIs this normal?01:31
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DocScrutinizer05autobuilder defect?01:43
PreflexLooks like it.   Not sure what's going on.    Never packaged a deb or uploaded before.01:44
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jacekowskiPreflex: have you uploaded it correctly01:52
jacekowskiPreflex: sources and other files01:52
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PreflexI think so. Maemo Extras Assistant said "Thank you for uploading pv. Your files have now been moved to the autobuilder queue."01:57
DocScrutinizer05check the build queue01:58
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DocScrutinizer05when last pkg been built01:58
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PreflexMon Nov 26 03:50:53 EET 201201:59
Preflexat least, that's the time of the last entry here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-November/date.html02:00
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Preflextrying scp or dput but i guess garage hasn't updated my key yet.02:15
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PreflexI guess I'll just wait a few hours and try again with dput.02:19
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Drathirvi____: lol ^^ ad step 1... hrhr02:29
M4rtinKPreflex: the autobuilder is down - since november 602:46
M4rtinKPreflex: they are hopefully working on making it work again02:46
DocScrutinizer05:-S02:47
DocScrutinizer05like wiki02:47
PreflexOh.  Thanks.02:47
M4rtinKfor more info see the recent posts in: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5993302:48
M4rtinKalso according to: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1298719#post129871902:51
M4rtinKthere should be a conference call with Nokia & Nemein next week that might hopefully clear things up02:52
M4rtinKwell, shame the Fremantle OBS project didn't progress faster02:52
PreflexYeah.  Bummer.02:53
M4rtinKmight have saved us all the problems with autobuilder we have now02:53
M4rtinKand it really rocks when it works :)02:53
M4rtinK(OBS)02:53
M4rtinKanyway, good night everyone ! :)02:55
PreflexGood night.02:55
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GeneralAntilles  /clear04:11
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Drathirmaybe someone know how to add support ac3 to openmediaplayer?05:12
Drathirmplayer works ok but omp say that cant open file ; cant find sound codec DVD AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder.05:15
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Jay_BEEblah... I dropped my N900 and now it's stuck in a reboot loop.  It displays the Nokia logo, then reboots.  *le sigh*06:36
Jay_BEEFor that to happen, tells me it's a physical issue and cannot be overcome by reflashing.  If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.06:38
Ken-YoungJay_BEE, Thist did you try removing the battery for a mnute or two? is a long shot, bu06:39
Jay_BEENo, I have not.    Trying it now.   Thanks.  brb06:39
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Ken-YoungJay_BEE, DOn't get your hopes up.   It's a long shot, but can't hurt.06:40
Jay_BEEI'm not.  I'm already of the mind that she's a goner.06:41
Jay_BEEUnfortunately, I will lose some precious photos and a couple of phone numbers that were not backed up.06:42
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Jay_BEEFor what it's worth, I got it from eBay with a warranty, so at best I'll be able to get a replacement or refund.06:46
Jay_BEEI'd really rather have the unsaved pictures and phone numbers.06:47
Ken-YoungJay_BEE, I think there's a power-up option that will make it present the internal flash as a USB drive.   THat might still work even if it won't boot, and you could get your stuff off that way.06:48
Jay_BEEYou think.  I've never heard of such an option.  I would love to know the specifics, if it is possible!06:50
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Ken-YoungJay_BEE, I googled around, and didn't find a way to do it.   I may have been mistaken about that being a possibility.    If you reflash just the kernel, maybe it would boot then, without wiping your OS.   I'm assuming you did not install boot menu.   If you have boot menu, there are many other possible recovery routes.07:03
Jay_BEENo, I have not installed boot menu.07:04
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Ken-YoungJay_BEE, If you check back here during the evening in Europe, you'll probably find a lot more knowledgable people.07:06
Jay_BEEhmm ok.... thx... I'll stick around07:06
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DrathirJay_BEE: try also get out sim and mmc card and then on the phone...07:25
Jay_BEEyeah... the sim is already out and I don't have media card installed07:25
DrathirKen-Young: its only 6:25 ^^07:26
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Drathirmaybe also try combination with keyboard open and closed...?07:27
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Jay_BEEI've already tried that07:28
Jay_BEEto no avail. :(07:28
Drathirsad that not bm onboard... with them maybe will be possible do a backup...07:30
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kerioJay_BEE: can you enter the flashing mode?07:58
Jay_BEEabout to try that now07:58
kerioDrathir: have you installed decoders-support?08:01
kerioif that fails, try to find an appropriate gstreamer decoder for that codec08:01
kerioJay_BEE: if the flashing mode works you can try loading rescueOS, if everything else fails08:06
kerioso at least you can copy your data from the device08:06
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Jay_BEEit appears I have reached flashing mode.... should I expect to Windows to mount a drive or do I need to load this rescueOS thing?  What is rescueOS?08:10
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Jay_BEEkerio?08:27
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RST38h...Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Chambliss used directory assistance to call SCP-1750-A and agreed to payment through a combination of funds accessed through a checking account and manual labor threading technetium bolts onto nuts.08:36
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DocScrutinizer06yay, kerio beats me to it, was about to suggest rescueOS10:01
DocScrutinizer06~rescueos10:01
infobotsomebody said rescue-os was http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/10:01
Jay_BEEi have it now thx10:02
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DocScrutinizer06Jay_BEE: reboot loop *might* be caused by filesystem corruption caused by sudden removal of battery10:09
DocScrutinizer06unlikely but possible10:09
Jay_BEEmeaning a reflash would fix?10:10
DocScrutinizer06yep10:10
Jay_BEEk... i'm booted into reloadOS but get errors when executing mass-storage-enable.sh10:10
DocScrutinizer06alas you need to flash /home as well, and that will nuke your MyDocs10:10
Jay_BEEwin xp cries "usb device not recognized"10:11
DocScrutinizer06hmm, might be corruption of MyDocs or ~user10:11
DocScrutinizer06or defect eMMC10:12
DocScrutinizer06iirc we talked some user thru a system-modification that completely replaced eMMC by uSD-card, so he was able to use a N900 even with defect eMMC10:13
DocScrutinizer06quite some time ago10:13
DocScrutinizer06but first try a full reflash: combined, vanilla, combined10:15
DocScrutinizer06after you're done with your efforts to rescue your photos etc10:16
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Lava_Croftmy solution to XP not recognizing the USB device is sadly no option for you i guess10:18
Lava_Croftsince i usually turn the device on and connect it to the computer and then it will recognize it when you connect it for flashing10:18
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DocScrutinizer06Jay_BEE: btw mass storage will not allow to safe your contacts/phone-numbers10:28
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Jay_BEEd'oh10:29
DocScrutinizer06afaik10:29
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DocScrutinizer06you should backup your /home/user/* to uSD card10:29
DocScrutinizer06particularly /home/user/.osso-abook/10:32
DocScrutinizer06beware, you might run into doing a backup of /home/user/MyDocs when trying to copy /home/user/*10:35
DocScrutinizer06MyDocs however is your 28GB partition10:35
* Macer punches his android tf101 in the face10:35
tadzikthey evolved faces? Exciting times10:36
Lava_Croftnow your fist hurts10:36
DocScrutinizer06chuck N.10:36
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Lava_CroftYeah, leave it to internet to turn a horrible american actor into a hero10:37
Lava_Croftand i use the term actor rather loosely here:)10:37
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Maceryes10:38
tadziksays the one who uses the big-breasted artificial archeologist as a nickname inspiration :P10:38
Macerit's a widget :-P10:38
DocScrutinizer06how many push-ups can Chuck do?  ALL of them!10:38
Lava_Crofttadzik: its actually not really related to lara croft, but more to quake and lava in its DM maps:)10:38
Macerhaha10:38
Maceryeah.. chuck norris is an awful actr10:38
Macerbut the white trash loves him10:38
Maceronly in walker texas ranger can you be evacuating a town from a giant bomb getting ready to explode and have people running outside with giant smiles on their faces10:39
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Lava_Croftonly in walker texas ranger, chuck norris would have a paid job as an actor10:39
Lava_Croftoh wait, i might have overlooked The Expendables10:40
DocScrutinizer06what happens when Chuck Norris punches his android tf101 in the face? Google breaks into two halves.10:41
Lava_CroftI wish something would happen to people making Chuck Norris jokes in 201210:41
Lava_Croftsomething bad10:41
DocScrutinizer06I wish chuck norris would kick the nuts of people insulting other people on IRC just for fun10:42
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Lava_Crofti dont think people like chuck norris are allowed to enter my country10:43
Lava_Croftor at least it should be10:43
Lava_Croftand wishing something bad to happen to someone isnt exaclty an insult10:43
DocScrutinizer06+q maybe is, though. I'm starting to get tired of your teachering10:44
Lava_Croftif you have trouble ignoring certain things on IRC, this might not be the place for you10:44
DocScrutinizer06if you think you're so fucking smarter and better than the rest of us here, why are you still here?10:44
Lava_Croftwhat makes you think i would think such a thing?10:45
DocScrutinizer06every post of you tells that fact clearly10:45
Lava_CroftI think this says more about how you percieve these things than how they really are in reality10:45
Lava_Croftand i cannot disagree with how you percieve things10:46
* Macer kicks this tf10110:46
Maceri wish i could run maemo on this thing :-/10:46
Macercan't someone take the maemo stuff and make it boot on a tf101?10:47
Macerheh10:47
tadzikpax, pax10:47
tadzikdon't do those quake deatchmatches here10:47
* DocScrutinizer06 appoints Lava_Croft as officila troll#2 of #maemo10:47
Ken-YoungWho is #1?10:47
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tadzikThe Banned One? :>10:47
DocScrutinizer06clearly kerio10:47
DocScrutinizer06;-)10:48
Lava_CroftYou either swallow or you are a troll :)10:48
MacerDocScrutinizer06: hahaha... yes10:48
jaskatrollum de jure10:48
Macerthe shockwaves travel to google and their data centers explode10:48
Maceratt is so slow where i am10:49
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Ken-YoungMacer, Where is that?10:51
Macerwell.... a specific part of chicago10:51
Lava_CroftAren't cities always horrible for cell coverage10:52
tadziknope10:52
Maceri have to wait for a special version of gapps to download10:52
Lava_CroftWell, they are here in NL10:52
Ken-YoungBoston isn't.10:52
Macerso it could be the hackyourlife.org site10:52
Macerheh10:52
tadziknational forests are worse :)10:52
Macerno... usually it goes rather fast10:52
Lava_CroftAnywhere inbetween some bigger buildings and coverage is poof10:52
Lava_Croftgo inside and its even worse:<10:52
tadzikI don't experience that10:52
Maceri don't usually either10:53
Maceratt lte is actually pretty damn fast10:53
Lava_CroftYou probably dont live in the perpetually underperforming Netherlands10:53
tadzikmaybe because there's a cell tower outside the window10:53
Maceralbeit a ripoff for 5GB10:53
Lava_CroftThis country is tiny, but getting proper 3G coverage everywhere seems impossible10:53
Macerit's lte :)10:53
Macer3G is so N900 :-P10:53
Lava_Croftor N9 :)10:54
Macerthat too i supose... i thought N9s were "4G"10:54
tadzikheh, I still use 2.5 most of the time10:54
Macermarketing at its best10:54
Lava_CroftThe terms 4g, 3g, 3,5g mean different things in different countries10:54
Lava_Croftit seems10:54
tadzikI have it set for the sake of battery usage, and can't be bothered to change it to 3G when I occasionally need something on the web10:54
Macer4G = It might be able to10:54
Macerheh10:54
Macerno wait... It is 3G but might be able to be 4G later10:55
Macerthanks to apple for the number brainwashing10:55
Lava_CroftNot just apple:)10:55
Lava_Crofttelco's too10:55
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Ken-YoungDoes anyone have their N900 successfully syncing with google calendar?   I had that working until a couple of weeks ago (with syncEvolution) and then it stopped working.11:01
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vi____Ken-Young: Yes, sync evolution.11:02
vi____It can sync multiple calanders and tasks.11:02
vi____Does anyone know if autobuilder is still down?11:02
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DocScrutinizer06tadzik: indeed automating the switching to 3G/dual when starting up microB would be a quite useful thing to implement11:03
vi____DocScrutinizer06: Autodisconnect!11:04
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DocScrutinizer06I doubt the friggin autodisconnect has any concept to do this11:04
vi____No, but it does have a 'change from 2g->3g/dual' on connection to gprs internet.11:05
Ken-Youngvi____, sync evolution give me "unexpected slow sync (local, status 22000)" "error code from Synthesis engine local, status 20048" - any idea what might cause that?11:05
vi____Ken-Young: None whatsoever.11:05
vi____Have you looked up the error message.11:05
vi____?11:05
vi____Also did you use syncevolution front end or set it up from the command line?11:06
Ken-Youngvi____, I've looked, but not founf it.11:06
Ken-Youngvi____, I'm doing it from the command line.11:06
vi____Ken-Young: Have you tried a complete re-sync?11:06
Ken-Youngvi____, Yup.11:07
vi____Have you tried deleteing the whole lot and starting again?11:07
vi____~googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7581011:08
infobotokay, vi____11:08
Ken-Youngvi____, THat I have not tried.11:08
vi____did you follow this:11:08
vi____~googlesyncevolution11:08
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, googlesyncevolution is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7581011:08
Ken-Youngvi____, THanks for the pointer, I'll start going through that.11:09
vi____Is the wiki editable again yet?11:09
vi____Ken-Young: From that post I was able to set up multiple calendar syncs with task sync.11:09
Ken-Youngvi____, I had fcron doing everything nicely, then it broke.   It had worked for a long while.11:10
vi____I think the truth lies in figuring out what the error message means.11:11
vi____freemangordon_: ping11:12
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Ken-Youngvi____, It looks like the slow sync might be working.   Thanks again for your help.11:27
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Ken-Youngvi____, My google calendar syncing works flawlessly now.   You are my hero.12:08
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vi____Ken-Young: If you figured out something new, please post about it on TMO so others may benefit from your experience.12:23
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freemangordon_vi____: pong12:48
vi____2 questions.12:48
vi____1. To facilitate 720p recording, you created a script that stopped tracker, correct?12:48
vi____also, goodmorning!12:49
freemangordon_hi12:49
freemangordon_vi____: stopping tracker is not because 720p12:49
freemangordon_but because of the stutter in videos if tracker is running while a video is recorded12:49
vi____freemangordon_: Why did you not just ionice the shit out of tracker?12:50
freemangordon_it affects all of the resolutions. it is the fix/workaround for a long-standing "recorded videos stutter" bug12:50
freemangordon_do we have ionice?12:50
freemangordon_as tracker is already niced to 10-1512:51
vi____In busybox power.12:51
vi____mmm12:51
vi____ok12:51
vi____ionice is for nice'ing IO as oppose to cpu.12:51
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freemangordon_yeah, but there is no such thing in stock bb12:52
freemangordon_afaik12:52
MrPinguHi freemangordon_12:52
freemangordon_vi____: you know what?12:52
freemangordon_MrPingu: hi12:52
merlin1991yep stock busybox has no ionice12:52
freemangordon_vi____: I feel very very stupid :(12:53
vi____freemangordon_: If you can compile a program to be statically linked, that means it does not need external libs.  Does that mean you could run a hardfp binary if it is statically linked?12:53
freemangordon_vi____: yep12:53
vi____freemangordon_: aah, chin up mate.12:53
freemangordon_vi____: instead if stopping the tracker, I can just do kill SIGSTOP/SIGCONT12:53
freemangordon_and get rid of those 2-3 seconds deay compared to stock camera ;)12:54
freemangordon_*delay12:54
MrPingufreemangordon_: We don't have -dev packages thumb compiled right?12:54
freemangordon_MrPingu: of course we have12:55
freemangordon_merlin1991: how do you think, will STOP/CONT do the job?12:56
MrPinguInstalled gdb, hildon-home-dbg what else do I need?12:56
freemangordon_MrOpposite: glibc-dbg12:56
freemangordon_oope12:56
freemangordon_MrPingu: ^^^12:56
freemangordon_MrPingu: it is in SDK repo12:57
MrPinguI enabled that one12:57
merlin1991freemangordon_: I'd try it12:57
freemangordon_merlin1991: me too12:57
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merlin1991what does the camera-ui do currently when you tab out?12:58
merlin1991keep recording?12:58
vi____Well if you have anytime is there a chance of a thumb2, neon enabled, hardfp, statically linked mplayer? :D12:58
merlin1991hm I need to reflash 2 of my n900s12:59
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merlin1991gotta swap my -stable and my -testing device (the -testing has a semi broken modem)13:00
MrPingufreemangordon_: are you sure its glibc-dbg?13:00
DocScrutinizer06SIGSTOPing a process that has dbus connection will for sure do no good13:00
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DocScrutinizer06SIGSTOPing processes that are monitored by dsme is a sure way to get reboots13:01
merlin1991DocScrutinizer06: apart from tracker not responding to dbus calls, what else could happen?13:01
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer06: hm, I am almost sure dsme will not care as long as there is no SIGCHILD13:01
freemangordon_also have in mind bsowserd is SIGSTOPed13:02
freemangordon_*browserd13:02
DocScrutinizer06dbus will possibly block, or kick the dbus client from list of active clients (== lose association)13:02
freemangordon_but who will talk to trackerd while a video is recorded?13:03
DocScrutinizer06killall -sigstop /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5113:03
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer06: we are talking about tracker here13:04
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DocScrutinizer05so what?13:04
freemangordon_hmm, why the hell pidof does not work for trackerd?13:04
DocScrutinizer05you explain to me what's the differences that matter here, between bme and trackerd, and I accept it might not apply13:05
MrPingufreemangordon_: u sure it's glibc-dbg and not libc6-dbg?13:06
DocScrutinizer05until then, my claims about dsme causing reboot when monitored process gets SIGSTOPed stand13:06
freemangordon_trackerd does not run always13:06
freemangordon_MrPingu: could be, not exactly sure about the package name13:06
DocScrutinizer05also my claims about dbus not reacting nice to client getting stopped stand13:06
MrPingufreemangordon_: seems not as you said it's in SDK and libc6-dbg is pulled from cssu-testing13:08
freemangordon_MrPingu: no way libc6-dbg to be in CSSU afaik13:09
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vi____DocScrutinizer05: tracker is not run by dsme.13:09
MrPinguGet:1 http://maemo.merlin1991.at fremantle/free libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu0 [3547kB]13:10
freemangordon_the fuck, what is that?13:10
freemangordon_Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu013:10
freemangordon_merlin1991: ^^^13:10
freemangordon_vi____: :nod:13:11
MrPingufreemangordon_: I might have cssu-devel enabled?13:11
merlin1991freemangordon_:  well what did you upload?13:11
freemangordon_merlin1991: where?13:11
freemangordon_in -devel?13:11
merlin1991either -devel or -thumb nothing else lives on maemo.merlin1991.at13:11
merlin1991(except tiny extras)13:12
freemangordon_yeah, it is in -devel13:12
freemangordon_MrPingu: what version you have installed?13:12
freemangordon_of lbc that is13:12
freemangordon_*libc13:13
MrPinguThat one, I posted above13:13
freemangordon_ok, install -dbg symbols too (if not already did) and you're good to go13:13
freemangordon_MrPingu:13:13
merlin1991freemangordon_: I guess that's your ppoll enabled glibc?13:14
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freemangordon_merlin1991: yeah13:14
freemangordon_Seems I have forgotten I ut it in -devel13:14
MrPinguConfirmed, I had cssu-devel enabled.13:14
MrPinguSure, I am good to go? I mean libc6 is quite essential :P13:15
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freemangordon_MrPingu: no prblrm with that. however, as long as h-h "hang", you should run gdb (preferably from ssh session), find the pids of hildon-home and attach gdb to the second one13:16
freemangordon_s/as long/as soon13:16
freemangordon_MrPingu: to attach to process:13:16
DocScrutinizer05timeout for dbus is ~120s iirc13:16
freemangordon_gdb13:16
freemangordon_>attach $PID13:16
DocScrutinizer05better terminate processes than stop them for extended periods of time13:17
vi____freemangordon_: Another thing to stop is hildon-notification-daemon thing.13:18
vi____It is set in syspart as having maximum priority.13:18
MrPinguSo I need to attach it, after it "hangs"?13:18
vi____It always fucks up everything when a new notification bubble appears.13:18
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: attaching gdb after a process gets stuck is relatively useless13:19
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: That's what I thought13:19
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: better run the process into stuck condition under gdb control13:20
MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: we don't know what it causes to "stuck" :(13:21
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MrPinguHence no easy way to reproduce it13:21
DocScrutinizer05attaching to stuck process is kinda like doing a post mortem analysis, won't give much more info than what you could get from a coredump13:21
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: define "stuck process"13:22
MrPinguSo I need to run gdb 24/7 till it occurs?13:22
freemangordon_MrPingu: no13:22
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: see `man ps`13:22
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: bullshit13:22
freemangordon_it is either in system call13:22
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_: moron13:22
freemangordon_or couting like Chuck13:23
freemangordon_*counting13:23
freemangordon_it is deffinitey not zombie13:23
DocScrutinizer05you said zombie13:23
DocScrutinizer05so apply buöllshit to your statement13:23
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freemangordon_yep, you said stuck, attaching debugger to a process which is not zombie will give you the backtrace13:24
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freemangordon_along with info threads and all good things like that13:24
DocScrutinizer05just like attaching to a coredump will13:24
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: no, it is not the same13:25
freemangordon_and AFAIK h-h does not crash13:25
freemangordon_so no coredump13:25
DocScrutinizer05pfff13:25
MrPinguIt doesn't crash, it doesn't react to touches EXCEPT swipes13:25
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: ever tried to analize coredump from n900?13:26
DocScrutinizer05who said it does - I didn't even know which process you're debugging, since nobody mentioned it last 10 posts13:26
freemangordon_*analyze13:26
MrPinguWidgets are frozen and you get the hildon-home is not responding window13:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly I'm not in the mood for insult a la freemangordon_ right now13:26
DocScrutinizer05find someone else to argue with13:27
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: read the backscroll then, along with http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8680413:27
freemangordon_to understand the background13:28
freemangordon_DocScrutinizer05: BTW if you have a better idea than attaching gdb, please share it13:28
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freemangordon_MrPingu: BTW do you have some screenlock replacement installed?13:31
MrPingufreemangordon_: no13:31
freemangordon_ok13:31
MrPinguRather clean device, as I reflashed 2 weeks ago13:31
int_uais extras builder looped on python?13:31
freemangordon_MrPingu: BTW did you try to remove all of the widgets?13:32
MrPingufreemangordon_: no, but peterleinchen had the same issues and the only mutual widgets we had were calendar + media player13:33
freemangordon_yeah, saw that13:33
MrPingufreemangordon_: Also, reboot fixed it and all my widgets restored13:33
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freemangordon_MrPingu: ofc reboot will fix it :)13:34
MrPingufreemangordon_: I understand, but sometimes h-h also crashes widgets don't restore13:35
MrPinguthough that hasn't happened for a long time13:35
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freemangordon_MrPingu: did you check what is the CPU usage when h-h is 'hang'13:35
MrPinguYes13:36
MrPingunormal13:36
freemangordon_not good13:36
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MrPinguactually first thing I checked as I knew there were reports of h-h going for 100%13:37
freemangordon_well, I still insist it is some third-party widget/software causing that prblem13:37
MrPinguThe 100% bug or what peterleinchen and I experienced?13:38
freemangordon_both13:39
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freemangordon_MrPingu: btw could you pastebin the contents of /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/ and /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders13:39
freemangordon_ls -al that is13:39
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int_uaHey, people! https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2012-September/date.html13:39
int_uaextras builder is stuck with python13:40
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int_uafrom September13:40
freemangordon_MrPingu: along with /usr/share/applications/hildon-home13:40
int_uas/from/since/13:40
infobotint_ua meant: since September13:40
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MrPingufreemangordon_: http://pastebin.com/afh7qFGn13:44
MrPinguthats one13:44
MrPinguhttp://pastebin.com/HnZdjiex13:44
MrPinguhttp://pastebin.com/xi582r0n13:46
MrPingufreemangordon_: ^^^13:46
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freemangordon_MrPingu: what is touchsearch.desktop?13:49
MrPinguA widget I don't use13:50
MrPinguIt provides a google-searchbar widget13:50
RaimuAlso customizable searches in general13:51
MrPingufreemangordon_: purged it and it removes the python loader13:51
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vi____freemangordon_: what does libstartup do?13:52
freemangordon_vi____: NFC13:53
freemangordon_MrPingu: any idea why qt plugin loader is installed?13:53
MrPinguSticky Notes widgets I guess13:54
freemangordon_do you use that?13:55
MrPinguYes13:55
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MrPinguYou suspect that might be the problem?13:58
MrPinguIt's the only widget that uses the qt-plugin loader13:59
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MrPinguPeterleinchen did not have that widget so that doesn't explain his freeze14:01
freemangordon_MrPingu: yes, but i is possible he has another qt widget14:03
MrPinguIt would be nice if he can pastebin the same output, then14:03
freemangordon_do you have a link to his list?14:03
freemangordon_i cannot find it14:04
MrPinguOn the TMO thread, i thought14:04
MrPinguMy bad, it isn't there14:08
MrPinguIDK, then...14:08
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vi____MrPingu: Can  you pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf14:11
vi____for me.14:11
DocScrutinizer05127.0.0.114:13
MrPingunameserver 127.0.0.114:13
DocScrutinizer05;-P14:13
MrPingu;)14:13
MrPinguAnyway G2G, bye!14:25
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Hurrian_vi___, did you see that dude with the 3 N950s?14:46
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jon_y Hurrian_: what.14:49
Hurrian_jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87621&page=314:49
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jon_yI agree with vi____ :)14:50
Hurrian_man, no silver N950s popping up yet?14:50
jon_ynow to get radvd working on the phone :)14:50
jon_yhow good is ipv6 support on the phone anyway?14:51
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders where his N950 package vanished15:05
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vi____3 n950!15:15
vi____fool!15:15
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freemangordon_vi____: yeah15:29
freemangordon_I wonder how old is that guy15:29
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vi____freemangordon_: well he must be employed in some capacity.15:44
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DrathirDocScrutinizer51: could you take me any tips with if good remember  talks about wifi optimisation?15:51
Drathirkerio: yes installed...15:51
Drathirkerio: ok i will look gstreamer for ac315:53
freemangordon_vi____: both me and google translate cannot parse :)15:56
vi____He must have a job to be able to afford so many n950.15:57
vi____He has more than you!15:57
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Lava_Croft3 N950's, but wheres the applications he is supposed to write? :)16:18
jon_y"I am Rich" app :)16:19
Lava_Croft'I was rich"16:19
Lava_Crofter "16:19
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vi____n950 is only any use for developing for...n950s16:29
vi____Despite what whiners whine, it is not a development device.16:29
Luke-Jrexactly why I'd like one16:30
Luke-Jr<.<16:30
vi____Luke-Jr: You dont, they suck balls.16:30
Luke-Jractually, no, put Gentoo on that thing and develop for any platform :P16:30
jon_yreally? why so?16:30
Luke-Jrvi____: not as bad as N916:30
vi____worse than n9.16:30
Luke-Jrnope16:30
Luke-JrN9 lacks a keyboard16:30
Luke-Jrthat's a killer16:30
vi____n950 lacks ANY AVAILABLITY OF SPARE PARTS.16:31
jon_yalso, SD card16:31
vi____Also, LCD rot.16:31
Luke-Jrvi____: that's only a problem when you damage it16:31
vi____Luke-Jr: yeah...16:31
M4rtinKalso no gamegripper for the N95016:31
Luke-JrI'll take irrepairable over no-keyboard any day16:31
jon_yso, collector's items in the next 15 years? :)16:32
vi____consider how many spare parts your n900 goes through.16:32
Luke-Jrvi____: zero16:32
vi____jon_y: not really.16:32
tadziklucky you16:32
Lava_CroftN950 has problem with its screen too16:32
Luke-Jrand I've dropped it from shirt pocket to pavement multiple times16:32
vi____Luke-Jr: You clearly do not use your n900 as a daily device.16:32
Luke-Jrvi____: I sure do!16:32
Lava_CroftI havent had parts fall of my N900 either16:33
vi____And you r keyboard is still in good condition?16:33
tadzikno, I know people for whom it never breaks. Lucky bastards16:33
Luke-Jrvi____: indeed16:33
jon_ywell, the n950 was the last phones Nokia released before it went belly up16:33
Luke-JrI'm assuming replacing the battery doesn't count as spare parts16:33
jon_ydefinitely has collector value :)16:33
vi____nokia did not release the n950.16:33
jon_yreleased/teased16:33
Lava_Croftlast real Nokia was the N9, the N950 is not a consumer device, it wasnt ever released nor did nokia ever sell it16:34
vi____old tech does not become valuable.16:34
Lava_Croftvi____: wrong16:34
M4rtinKif the rumours are true, about 12,5k N950 were produced16:34
Lava_CroftDepending on availability, old hardware can become quite valuable16:34
Luke-JrM4rtinK: where'd they all go? :o16:34
M4rtinKLuke-Jr: no idea - just citing that recent finish article16:35
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vi____well, it was a shite device anyway.16:35
Lava_Croftarticles regarding the amount of harmattan devices produced have rarely been close to the truth16:35
M4rtinKLava_Croft: maybe to some landfill next to a huge pile of old NES cartridges ? :)16:36
Lava_Croftold NES carts are valuable!16:36
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ivgalvezhi everyone17:49
ivgalvezgood news from Nokia17:50
ivgalvezthey are going to fund us for buying the servers we will need to do the migration17:50
GeneralAntillesHooray17:53
GeneralAntillesThat's nice of them.17:53
ivgalvezand they are willing to transfer us almost everything17:55
GeneralAntillesivgalvez, happen to have anything written up on this?17:55
GeneralAntillesBlog, Talk thread, mailing list, whatever?17:55
ivgalvezyes, we need to prepare all the communications needed, also with other Board members and Council17:56
vi____ivgalvez: Good news everybody!17:56
thedead1440ivgalvez so maemo.org domain and resources is secured?17:56
ivgalvezbut I was so happy that I couldn't avoid to tell it here17:56
GeneralAntillesivgalvez, either ping me or Jaffa when you get a summary up so we can shunt it to @mwkn17:56
ivgalvezyes17:56
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ivgalvezsure17:56
thedead1440its brilliant thanks for it!17:56
ivgalveznow I need a volunteer17:57
ivgalvezto prepare a list of files not already hosted at maemo.org that are needed to keep the devices working17:57
ivgalvezi.e. all packages at Nokia repositories17:58
ivgalvezall files included in SDKs17:58
ivgalvezall these files will be hosted at Nokia for a while, this way we will be sure that they won't dissapear without notice17:59
ivgalvezand Nokia will try to transfer the rights fro redistribution to the Foundation18:00
ivgalvezas there will be thir parties involved, that will take more time than the migration itself18:00
thedead1440wouldn't one person doing it increase chances of something being missed? Why not collate them on a thread @ TMO? My 2cents...18:00
qwazixwow! perfect.18:00
qwazixI agree with thedead144018:00
fluxa thread 'doing it' makes its nobody's reponsibility :)18:01
qwazixbe back in 20'18:01
qwazixbye for now18:02
ivgalvezyes, that would be better18:02
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thedead1440flux one person can still be in charge of ensuring all that is mentioned in the thread is collated?18:02
ivgalvezwould you mind to open that thread and coordinate the efforts?18:02
thedead1440me? sure no probs18:02
ivgalvezI have to write a dozen of emails now18:03
ivgalvezthanks a lot18:03
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fluxthedead1440, sure18:03
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thedead1440http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8803118:11
thedead1440is it ok?18:11
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ivgalvezgreat18:15
ivgalvezplease specify that we nned all the files for both Maemo and Harmattan18:15
ivgalvezand all incarnations of Maemo18:15
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ivgalvezthank you very much18:16
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vi____ivgalvez: Ask them for ALL the fremantle source code as well :)18:17
ivgalvezhaha18:17
vi____oly shit, that guy on TMO has 4 n950.18:17
keriogive us the codes pls18:18
keriovi____: seen that thread, awesome :D18:18
MrPingufreemangordon_: I removed all python + qtwidgets loaders18:18
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MrPingumy /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loader/ doesn't even exist anymore, now let's see if it will happen again18:19
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vi____seriously18:21
vi____fremantle source code, I need it.18:21
ivgalvezask freemangordon, he can RE it for you :-D18:23
keriovi____: should i remove nokia maps?18:23
vi____kerio: Do you ever use it?18:24
vi____Bear in mind it is the most up to date map program on the n900.18:24
vi____Although it is utter shit.18:24
vi____I do not know.18:24
vi____I am conflicted also.18:24
MrPinguspeaking of maps applications; what application does work for fast location look ups and support reasonable (sizewise) offline maps18:25
vi____what do you mean reasonable size?18:25
MrPinguNokia maps and sygic, take only  100mb per country18:26
vi____I still do not understand your Q18:27
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keriovi____: modrana is also up to date18:27
kerioMrPingu: modrana!18:27
vi____modrana...is written in python.18:27
keriomodrana!1!118:28
MrPinguall those tiles software give much bigger size, for offline use18:28
keriovi____: wtf is libnavigation0 for?18:28
vi____LOL I DUNNO18:28
kerioMrPingu: not with reasonable tiles - and modrana has a way of storing all the tiles in a single file18:29
vi____kerio: perhaps it is the backend for nokia maps and that worthless location widget.18:29
keriobut trying to remove it also removes 66 packages18:29
vi____what packages?18:30
vi____sensible stuff18:30
keriotry it18:30
vi____or everything?18:30
kerioapt-get remove libnavigation018:30
kerionokiamessaging, osso-addressbook, rtcom-messaging-ui...18:30
vi____whoa18:30
vi____everything.18:30
vi____It looks like it is part of the mp-fremantle dependency cloisterfaulke.18:31
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keriovi____: nah18:31
keriothe community mp doesn't care18:31
keriovi____: wtf is nokiamessaging?18:33
vi____it is a discontinued service.18:34
kerioit's apaprently intellisyncd18:34
MrPingukerio: part of the some nokia service18:34
kerio*apparently18:34
vi____Unless you have been grandfathered an account, do not worry about it.18:34
MrPingupushserver-service to be precise18:35
kerioso i *should* do apt-get remove ^as-.*18:35
MrPingukerio, from what I know it could be break modest auto-update18:36
keriocool, i don't use modest anyway18:36
vi____MrPingu: I believe it is a modest plugin.18:36
vi____So imap will still work.18:36
vi____kerio: wtf do you use for email then?18:36
kerioidk, the gmail web interface18:36
MrPinguvi____: great, another thing for my list :)18:37
vi____MrPingu: Your list should come with some warnings.18:37
vi____For example if you remove osso-rss-reader, it will uninstall nicely.18:37
vi____If you reinstall it it will reinstall UNoptified.18:38
keriovi____: until you reboot18:38
vi____ If you reinstall it, it will reinstall UNoptified.18:38
vi____kerio: optification only occours on first boot.18:38
MrPingukerio, is right18:38
MrPinguit occurs every boot18:39
vi____...18:39
keriovi____: maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh18:39
kerionot maemo-optify-firstboot.sh18:39
vi____mmm18:39
vi____I need to read those scripts again.18:39
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MrPinguhmmm wait18:40
vi____MrPingu: add 'sharing-service-ovi'18:40
vi____ovi is now defunct18:40
MrPinguI added maps to that script some time, still not optified18:42
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vi____What?18:42
vi____maps is still a valid program, not totally obsolete crap.18:43
MrPinguvi___: I was talking about auto -optification18:43
vi____aaah18:43
vi____wait.18:44
vi____maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh IS run only on the first boot.18:44
vi____Look in /etc for:18:44
vi____ maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf18:44
vi____You will see a list of paths to be optified.18:45
MrPinguI added locale archive + nokia-maps to that file18:45
MrPingubut they have never been optified18:45
MrPinguso it is NOT run on every boot :(18:45
vi____Becasue the script only gets run on firstboot.18:45
vi____You could 'touch' the firstboot flag in var.18:46
vi____That would cause it to be run again.18:46
vi____But christ knows what else will happen if you do that.18:46
kerio/opt is cleaned and stuff is optified18:47
kerioand yes, it doesn't run properly for me either18:47
keriomaybe it checks for free space and leaves things in rootfs? idk18:47
kerioanyway, if you use that script you suck18:48
kerioyou can't uninstall single files properly18:48
MrPinguIn that case just symlink manually :P18:50
kerio*dpkg-divert manually18:50
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MrPinguI'm too lazy18:51
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vi____midnight commander, lets you move and symlink in 2 clicks.18:55
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MrPinguvi____: I was talking about dpkgdivert19:05
MrPinguWho dares to remove location-home-applet?19:06
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MrPinguIt's the location widget19:06
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kerioMrPingu: removed19:12
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MrPingukerio: thanks, added to my script/list19:13
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MrPinguoff to diner19:18
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* Drathir like servers not only new one... ^^ gz news...20:50
DocScrutinizer05Nokia buys our server hw? well, I always thought colocation is way more expensive than rental of the hw in package with hosting20:55
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia rather should buy 1 year of root-server-hosting, e.g. at hetzner.de21:00
DocScrutinizer05or preferably wherever the servers now are hosted21:00
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DocScrutinizer05I don't think H-F board should be interested in *own* server hardware located at $random-location, and pay a _lot_ for colocation and even more for (hw-)service21:03
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia rather should donate the servers recently hosting the maemo infra, incl hosting fee for first year or whatever period they feel tthey can afford21:04
DocScrutinizer05aiui the (hw-)servers are neither Nokia's property, nor are they even located at Nokia.21:06
DocScrutinizer05so all Nokia had to do is: pay next year of hosting fees, remove definitely nokia-internal stuff from the servers, transfer hosting contract and root access to board21:07
DocScrutinizer05change admin-c of maemo.org domain21:08
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, can you give me cssu irc cloak?21:13
DocScrutinizer05there's no cssu cloak21:13
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not the maemo GC, that's x-fade21:13
DocScrutinizer05I can ask x-fade to give you /maemo/community/contributor21:14
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, ok21:16
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kerioooh, can i get that too?21:21
kerioi want @maemo/community/troll if it's possible21:21
jaskahaha21:22
Drathirlol21:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: no troll cloaks defined either21:23
kerio:(21:23
keriothen i'll take maemo/community/contributor, if i qualify21:23
DocScrutinizer05I think you do21:23
kerio:D :D :D21:23
DocScrutinizer05anyway please send me a mail, both Pali and kerio, so I don't forget it21:24
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DocScrutinizer05council at maemo.org, for Joerg21:24
DocScrutinizer05subject IRC cloak21:25
DocScrutinizer05and mention you main IRC account nick21:25
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DocScrutinizer05your*21:27
DrathirO.o lynx cant acces https strange...21:27
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PaliDrathir, use *e*links21:29
Palielinks has support for https21:29
Paliold links and lynx not21:29
DrathirPali: ok , but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces different compile?21:32
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: please do me a favour and at least _try_ to improve your english a tiny bit. sth like >>but interesting is why on pc-arch lynx can acces. Different compile?<< (added '.' and Uppercase) would already do wonders regarding legibility21:37
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: im sorry21:39
DocScrutinizer05no need to be sorry :-)21:40
DocScrutinizer05it's just that often your posts are hard to parse, which will reduce probability to get any response21:41
DocScrutinizer05which is a pity since your contributions are appreciated21:42
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DocScrutinizer05(lynx) sometimes old obsoleted programs are replaced by a symlink to the new binary. Maybe that's what happens on arch lynx?21:47
kerioDocScrutinizer05: mail'd21:49
PaliI suggest to use elinks instead of other lin[ks|x]*21:49
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tadzikThe problem is with the Qt rotation manager and a workaround is already available at the hildon-desktop's master branch21:53
tadziksays arcean on tmo21:53
tadzikwfm :)21:53
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kerioby the way, can we get qt text input to behave properly somehow?21:54
keriohold-to-sym, not the correct kbd layout...21:54
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Drathirthanks, i try to find elinks arm packages...22:08
tadzikshit, Go doesn't build in scratchbox :/22:10
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: wut? qt doesn't use standard input method?22:41
kerionope22:41
DocScrutinizer05WTF?!22:42
DocScrutinizer05or maybe hold-to-sym isn't implemented in a "standard" way?22:43
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keriothere's a "standard" way to disable it22:43
keriowhich QT doesn't follow22:43
kerioand it also doesn't follow my xkb layout22:43
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, then it's qt fault (regardless of the non working "standard" way to disable, which doesn't mean a thing)22:44
MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: You didn't know? It's a quite common issue why qt apps suck :(22:47
* tadzik mumbles something about slow rotation22:47
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vi_~jrtools23:04
infobotit has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools23:04
DocScrutinizer05MrPingu: actually I forgot23:06
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vi_DocScrutinizer05, ping23:09
vi_where are these legendary xchat configs?23:09
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you know of someone who could be knowledgeable enough to "fix" our qt libraries?23:14
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: ~jrtools/../xchat23:17
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: hmm, not offhand23:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I guess the problem is in qt concept to stay platform independent23:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I.E. qt is supposed to work on e.g. windows where's no X11 at all23:22
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DocScrutinizer05while we would prefer 'our' qt to not only use X11 input support bot possibly even gtk/hildon input support23:23
DocScrutinizer05but*23:23
DocScrutinizer05the 'fix' might easily involve some major architecture redesign23:25
kerioor hopefully just some minor reconfigurations!23:27
DocScrutinizer05though I guess we could keep API compatibility when replacing the qt-internal stuff around decoding and handling raw key input by similar stuff from X11 and/or Hildon/GTK23:27
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: actually your "hold-for-symbol" vs calssical key-repeat is a good example to check where this got implemented in Qt23:30
DocScrutinizer05classical*23:30
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DocScrutinizer05as is e.g. caps-lock, fn-lock etc23:31
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: I say! you have converted me to xchat!23:33
vi_no more irssi for me!23:34
vi_I was irc'ing like a dog!23:34
* vi_ notify23:34
MrPinguvi_: he's converting everyone to xchat :p23:34
vi_mmm.23:34
vi_notify is not working23:34
MrPinguOh notify is a bit strange23:34
MrPinguYou need to  give that script executable permissions23:35
vi_MrPingu: already done that.23:35
vi_MrPingu: talk at me please.23:36
MrPinguvi_: you need to set alerts to beep23:36
MrPinguvi_: I love talking to you!23:37
MrPinguvi_: it only vibrates23:37
vi_try again!23:37
vi_MrPingu: MOAR PINGU23:38
vi_pls23:38
MrPinguVi_: How are you doing23:38
vi_lame..23:39
vi_brb23:39
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: what's the problem?23:42
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vi_MrPingu: yo23:48
DocScrutinizer05vi_: what you're doing?23:49
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: trying to get your notify script to work for xchat23:51
DocScrutinizer05does it work when invoked from shell?23:52
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: and are lines in xchat highlighted red when your nick is mentioned (like this line)23:54
DocScrutinizer05?23:54
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: yes23:59
vi_my name is highlighted.23:59

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