IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-11-24

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vi__ if you all can't see how silly an idea it was  to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco  images to meet every single user's personal  preferences, then I really dunno00:09
vi__it is not 6487.  It is 1 with the junk removed.00:09
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vi__No cherry, no ovi widget, no maemoblocks.  I honestly cannot see what the rpoblem is.00:10
vi__If it was loaded up with VM tweakz and warez then yes, you would have a point.00:10
vi__I do not see you condemning robbiethe1st rolled backupmenu .img00:11
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DocScrutinizer51robbiethe1st ADDED something to fiasco, particularly he added exactly what is needed to recover from flashing00:14
DocScrutinizer51he didn't remove things he personally found 'awful' or 'useless'00:15
keriovi__: hater gonna hate00:15
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DocScrutinizer51troll gonna troll00:15
vi__Keep it civil man.00:16
DocScrutinizer51who? kerio? hah, he usually doesn't know what's civil00:17
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: removing cherry is ok, right?00:17
keriowhat about that one dude who likes MyNokia?00:18
DocScrutinizer51sure, since there's nobody missing it and there's a real rationale why you want to remove it00:18
kerioovi promo widget?00:19
keriothe various installers?00:19
DocScrutinizer51kerio: that one dude I'll happily find the number and text of the SMS, so he can send manually00:19
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DocScrutinizer51sorry, but every time I hear somebody cheerfully pondering what else could get nuked to give user the benefit of missing choice, I get upset00:30
SkryVi is doing something for himself, in a way it could be useful for at least some other community members. He is obviously not doing anything "official". I'm seeing shit like request for moderation and such about 'dots. I don't see it's vi who is making someone miss a choice here.00:31
DocScrutinizer51IOW there's no sense in removing anything now that as well can get removed later00:32
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kolpBut we'd learn something from figuring out how to create our own fisco images, which could be useful later00:34
kolpAnd so long as it's clearly not marked 'official'... I don't see a problem00:34
DocScrutinizer51we could even use a fiasco that includes latest CSSU stuff00:34
DocScrutinizer51but only if the result of flashing that cssu fiasco is same result as flashing stock fiasco and then running CSSU on top of that00:35
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DocScrutinizer51s/CSSU on/CSSU updae on/00:39
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merlin1991kolp: there is some blog post on how to build your own fiasco *somewhere* on the net00:41
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m_pahlevanzadehWhat's package name of u-boot-update-bootmenu ?01:15
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merlin1991uboot-tools or similar01:45
merlin1991m_pahlevanzadeh: if you can install you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu01:45
merlin1991s/can install/have it installed/01:46
infobotmerlin1991 meant: m_pahlevanzadeh: if you have it installed you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu01:46
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Palim_pahlevanzadeh, package name u-boot-tools02:29
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Drathiri have no idea one of video file works stored loccaly and played with open media player but second should working also not... hrhr thats the magic is....05:06
robbiethe1stwhat type?05:11
robbiethe1stdifferent codec?05:11
robbiethe1stOne damaged?05:11
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DocScrutinizer05almost all media files are just container formats, where you got no clue about codec used form mere extension of filename05:25
DocScrutinizer05from mere*05:26
robbiethe1stAside from, say, webM.05:26
SpeedEviland the ones that aren't usually have eleventh billion codec options, which not all things will support05:26
DocScrutinizer05aside from mp305:26
SpeedEvilmp3 has a fair number of options. but generally works.05:27
DocScrutinizer05yeah, like eleventy sampling rates with mp3 ;-)05:27
DocScrutinizer05even with mp3 I'm not all that sure it also handles adaptive rate05:27
DocScrutinizer05seemto recall I heard fremantle's mp3 decoder fails on some adaptive rate encoded mp3 files05:28
DocScrutinizer05video is same-thing^905:29
DocScrutinizer05for example N900 fails on HD video, quite generally05:30
Drathirrobbiethe1st: type mp4 x26405:32
Drathirbut funny is that working playing nice not freezes or slows only see some video drops fragments on screen...05:34
Drathirrobbiethe1st: all should be encoded one this same method from one person...05:35
robbiethe1stTry mplayer, what does it say?05:36
DrathirSpeedEvil: robbiethe1st DocScrutinizer05 mp3 not problem also flac HQ works great...05:37
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Drathirrobbiethe1st: i saw strange thing somthing like mplayer use les of graphic power high quality with open media player works faster than this same with mplayer... like openmedia using other better direct acces to video card...05:40
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DocScrutinizer05robbiethe1st: could you share your knowledge about how to create a custom fiasco.bin?05:42
robbiethe1stCheck the first post of my BM topic05:42
robbiethe1stEverything I know, I put there05:43
infobotbackupmenu is, like,
DocScrutinizer05I see, I missed the negligible detail that our recent problem was about eMMC05:50
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robbiethe1stWell, once in BM, it's easy to DD A to B.05:51
robbiethe1stOr, tear the fiasco image apart, see what makes it tick05:51
rm_youdid anyone ever make a better custom application manager for N900?05:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i get that it's because of convenience, but should we really try to keep using the silly flasher-3.5 with its limitations instead of making something more flexible?10:36
keriofor instance, a modified RescueOS that grabs an image via usb networking and writes it10:37
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Drathirwhat can be a reson of that message ? "[AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe"14:03
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ron0062000msg: (may i join)14:17
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, look here:
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Palinolo has own partition table14:35
Paliand there is something in CAL too (section part_table)14:36
freemangordonPali: BTW, did you try libcal?14:36
Palinot yet14:36
freemangordongrrr, why you wanted me to RE it :P14:37
Palifor 0xFFFF14:37
freemangordonaah, ok14:37
PaliI have only readonly cal parser from calvaria in 0xFFFF14:37
kerio[   0.011] Partition table successfully read14:38
keriofrom where?14:38
Palikerio, CAL14:38
keriohow does it know where CAL is?14:38
kerioand what if you nuke CAL?14:38
Palimaybe hardcoded address14:39
Palikerio, good question14:39
PaliI will try it14:39
keriosambo7 did that14:39
Pali(in qemu)14:39
kerioand it still booted14:39
keriomy guess is that it reverts to some default14:39
kerioeither that, or the onenand has its own partition table that we don't really know about14:39
Palikerio, first we need to understand format of part_table in CAL14:40
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I gather you meanwhile noticed that 'flashing' via rescueOS is no real substitute for flasher, if only regarding partitioning that might be fckedup too and gets fixed by flashing15:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: huh?15:44
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kerioi assume you meant backupmenu there15:44
keriorescueos can do whatever you want15:44
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: is possibility to broke partitions?15:44
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Drathirbackup menu can do repartitioning like do flasher?15:46
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: sure, for example uBoot *can* cause weird partitions handed to kernel15:46
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: oh thats not nice....15:47
kerioDrathir: he means mtd partitions there15:47
keriothe partitions on the emmc can be fucked a lot more easily15:47
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: why?15:47
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: there's *always* _some_ way to break or mess up partitioning, unless you have something hardwired (never heard of such a thing)15:49
Drathirbecause if something can broke emmc propably can broke backup menu ?15:49
kerioDrathir: of course15:49
keriothen you reflash everything, install backupmenu, and restore your backup :)15:49
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Drathirkerio: yes true but then need acces to pc...15:50
kerioDrathir: from the n900 itself you can fuck up almost everything, yes15:51
keriojust... don't do it15:51
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Drathirbut anyway this method faster can pickup to work from backup with ypur stuff...15:52
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Drathirbtw my fight with video playing i think that maybe alsa inside mplayer caused problems... too many [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe15:53
Drathir[AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard.15:53
kerioDrathir: you're supposed to use pulseaudio to play sounds15:54
kerioawwww, i've got a bad eraseblock :'(15:54
Drathirkerio: idk if that way works because pulse is some kind of patch to alsa but also check and try...15:55
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i don't remember all the modifications to my system :(15:59
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: hmm?16:08
kerioi don't remember exactly what i changed from a stock fremantle system16:09
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kerioi should've kept more notes16:10
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DocScrutinizer05while this for sure is a nice thing to have/do, I don't see the reason to mention it right now16:18
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: a tip that maybe helps you: I try to write up everything as a scriptie, so I can reproduce it later. Or I use logs where scripts are too silly (see ~jrtools apt-get log)16:20
Skry+1 for scripting, and commenting it if necessary16:34
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Drathirstrange is avaible two versions libsdl-mixer1.2.8 and libsdl-mixer1.216:40
PaliDocScrutinizer05, now 0xFFFF can backup (on device) mtd images and create flashable fiasco archive16:44
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kerioPali: what about the stuff in /opt/?17:09
Palikerio, now writing TMO post and I will release beta version17:09
Palikerio, patches are welcome17:10
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PaliBeta version of new 0xFFFF is here:
PaliDocScrutinizer05, merlin1991, freemangordon, kerio, ... look ^^^^17:20
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kerioPali: is the image valid if the rootfs is mounted?17:22
Palikerio, it is same as: if you remove battery when rootfs is mounted...17:23
kerioi see17:23
Paliso after it some recovery will be called17:23
kerioso the on-device one is still supposed to be used from somewhere that's not actually running17:23
kerio(makes sense, really)17:23
Palibut ubifs has own recovery code in kernel17:23
Paliyou can backup kernel & nolo17:23
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Drathirsib app looks nice...17:35
Drathirbut detect only mp417:36
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: new CSSU-T release shipped, if you need sth for next MWKN18:11
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PaliGeneralAntilles, also new beta version of 0xFFFF:
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tadzikMaemo Weekly News?19:01
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GeneralAntillesPali, noted, thanks.19:05
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Drathiranyone just oc the graphics?20:09
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: though OC for graphics/video rendering is one of the few clearly defined justified usecases for OC, it's largely terra incognita since nobody ever looks into particular gfx/dsp-accel OC. It's not even clear (at least I'm not sure) if you could clock the coprocessors like gfx-accel/dsp independently from main CPU. Also while several people claim "works for me" for several random OC rates of CPU, quite usually nobody ever even20:16
DocScrutinizer05bothers to look into reliability of coprocessors and how it's affected by OC.20:16
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: also see:20:20
infobotomap-oc is, like,  read that!, or and this
DocScrutinizer05and keep in mind that during video playback, your CPU and GFX-accel hw most likely running at max clock freq all the time, so video playback time goes 100% into the assumed 1000h lifetime of CPU/SoC at 800MHz (less on higher clock rates)20:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: SGX runs 150MHz(iirc) at max, no matter CPU speed20:23
DocScrutinizer05if you paid 400 bucks for N900, you have to decide if playing 90 min of video is worth a wear equaling 60ct value for you20:24
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: so SGX can not be overclocked at all?20:26
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it can be, but does not depend on CPU clock20:26
freemangordon150 (iirc) is max stock20:27
freemangordonit could be 16020:27
freemangordonnot sure20:27
DocScrutinizer05fun detail: we have no proper data about wear at different clock freq for SGX, afaik20:27
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Skryit's sgx 530 es3.x -> 110MHz max20:37
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Skrythere are later variants which clock to 200MHz and 333MHz20:38
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Skrythank you doc20:38
freemangordonSkry: iirc 2630 is 16020:39
freemangordonin n9/5020:39
Skrymight very well be so20:39
SkryI assumed we were talking about n900 :)20:39
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Skryit looks like 530 in 3630 can go up to 192MHz, which would suggest it is es5 or 6, core rev 1.2.5 so to speak20:45
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Skryand for logs and reference, n900 has rev 1.2.1, so no magical unlocking of 200MHz I hear some talking about20:51
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Skryit does scale down however, to ~57MHz iirc, quite nicely20:52
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05:  thanks a lot for explain... i think about this because interesting me if it isnt any kind of software issue with video smooth play... must do more tests with compare to n80...20:54
kerioDrathir: is it really worth it to play HD videos on the n900?20:56
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i not sure if i will oc propably not but interested if upper speed give any results in decoding...20:56
DocScrutinizer05particularly: is it worth to play HD videos at all, on hw that can do lowres only20:56
SkryDrathir: one thing I just remembered, I did notice some jerkiness with video ripped from PAL dvd, while NTSC source produces smooth video, so something framerate related perhaps?20:57
DocScrutinizer05or scaling to 480 is simpler than scaling to 512 ?20:57
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DocScrutinizer05s/ to / from /g20:58
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: or scaling from 480 is simpler than scaling from 512 ?20:58
keriofucking PAL >:(20:58
DocScrutinizer05might as well be scaling 480<->512, whatever your TV-out config on N900, and what's your source media format20:59
Drathirkerio: thats the case that isnt hd only 480p, but with h264 encoded...21:00
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: h.264 support on N900 is rudimentary21:00
kerioDrathir: freemangordon's 720p codecs should allow the playback of h26421:01
DocScrutinizer05there are several grades of H.264 encodings afaik, and N900 only supports baseband21:01
DocScrutinizer05seems what I can recall21:01
Skryyeah, 3.0, without weighted p-frames21:02
Skrywhich ie handbrake tries to enable21:02
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: i must check if this not a software issue, be that if n80 play is smoothly...21:03
Drathirto small amount of test i do for now...21:03
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Drathiri compare with n80 because only that phone i have and can test...21:05
Drathirgood thing is while playing this video on n900 phone isnt verv hot, temp looks some like when battery is chrging...21:07
Drathirmissing sensors to check temp...21:07
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