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| vi__ | if you all can't see how silly an idea it was to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco images to meet every single user's personal preferences, then I really dunno | 00:09 |
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| vi__ | it is not 6487. It is 1 with the junk removed. | 00:09 |
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| vi__ | No cherry, no ovi widget, no maemoblocks. I honestly cannot see what the rpoblem is. | 00:10 |
| vi__ | If it was loaded up with VM tweakz and warez then yes, you would have a point. | 00:10 |
| vi__ | I do not see you condemning robbiethe1st rolled backupmenu .img | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st ADDED something to fiasco, particularly he added exactly what is needed to recover from flashing | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | he didn't remove things he personally found 'awful' or 'useless' | 00:15 |
| kerio | vi__: hater gonna hate | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | troll gonna troll | 00:15 |
| vi__ | Keep it civil man. | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | who? kerio? hah, he usually doesn't know what's civil | 00:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: removing cherry is ok, right? | 00:17 |
| kerio | what about that one dude who likes MyNokia? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure, since there's nobody missing it and there's a real rationale why you want to remove it | 00:18 |
| kerio | ovi promo widget? | 00:19 |
| kerio | the various installers? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: that one dude I'll happily find the number and text of the SMS, so he can send manually | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, but every time I hear somebody cheerfully pondering what else could get nuked to give user the benefit of missing choice, I get upset | 00:30 |
| Skry | Vi is doing something for himself, in a way it could be useful for at least some other community members. He is obviously not doing anything "official". I'm seeing shit like request for moderation and such about 'dots. I don't see it's vi who is making someone miss a choice here. | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | IOW there's no sense in removing anything now that as well can get removed later | 00:32 |
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| kolp | But we'd learn something from figuring out how to create our own fisco images, which could be useful later | 00:34 |
| kolp | And so long as it's clearly not marked 'official'... I don't see a problem | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we could even use a fiasco that includes latest CSSU stuff | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but only if the result of flashing that cssu fiasco is same result as flashing stock fiasco and then running CSSU on top of that | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | s/CSSU on/CSSU updae on/ | 00:39 |
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| merlin1991 | kolp: there is some blog post on how to build your own fiasco *somewhere* on the net | 00:41 |
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| m_pahlevanzadeh | What's package name of u-boot-update-bootmenu ? | 01:15 |
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| merlin1991 | uboot-tools or similar | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | m_pahlevanzadeh: if you can install you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | s/can install/have it installed/ | 01:46 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: m_pahlevanzadeh: if you have it installed you can find it out via dpkg-query -S u-boot-update-bootmenu | 01:46 |
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| Pali | m_pahlevanzadeh, package name u-boot-tools | 02:29 |
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| Drathir | i have no idea one of video file works stored loccaly and played with open media player but second should working also not... hrhr thats the magic is.... | 05:06 |
| robbiethe1st | what type? | 05:11 |
| robbiethe1st | different codec? | 05:11 |
| robbiethe1st | One damaged? | 05:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | almost all media files are just container formats, where you got no clue about codec used form mere extension of filename | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from mere* | 05:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Aside from, say, webM. | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | and the ones that aren't usually have eleventh billion codec options, which not all things will support | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aside from mp3 | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | eleventy | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | mp3 has a fair number of options. but generally works. | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, like eleventy sampling rates with mp3 ;-) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even with mp3 I'm not all that sure it also handles adaptive rate | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seemto recall I heard fremantle's mp3 decoder fails on some adaptive rate encoded mp3 files | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | video is same-thing^9 | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example N900 fails on HD video, quite generally | 05:30 |
| Drathir | robbiethe1st: type mp4 x264 | 05:32 |
| Drathir | but funny is that working playing nice not freezes or slows only see some video drops fragments on screen... | 05:34 |
| Drathir | robbiethe1st: all should be encoded one this same method from one person... | 05:35 |
| robbiethe1st | Try mplayer, what does it say? | 05:36 |
| Drathir | SpeedEvil: robbiethe1st DocScrutinizer05 mp3 not problem also flac HQ works great... | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yup | 05:37 |
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| Drathir | robbiethe1st: i saw strange thing somthing like mplayer use les of graphic power high quality with open media player works faster than this same with mplayer... like openmedia using other better direct acces to video card... | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | robbiethe1st: could you share your knowledge about how to create a custom fiasco.bin? | 05:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Check the first post of my BM topic | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 05:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Everything I know, I put there | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 05:48 |
| infobot | backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see, I missed the negligible detail that our recent problem was about eMMC | 05:50 |
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| robbiethe1st | Well, once in BM, it's easy to DD A to B. | 05:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Or, tear the fiasco image apart, see what makes it tick | 05:51 |
| rm_you | did anyone ever make a better custom application manager for N900? | 05:51 |
| robbiethe1st | apt-get | 05:57 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i get that it's because of convenience, but should we really try to keep using the silly flasher-3.5 with its limitations instead of making something more flexible? | 10:36 |
| kerio | for instance, a modified RescueOS that grabs an image via usb networking and writes it | 10:37 |
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| Drathir | what can be a reson of that message ? "[AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe" | 14:03 |
| musty01 | #ps3downgrade | 14:04 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, look here: http://pastebin.com/NeNnH22W | 14:35 |
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| Pali | nolo has own partition table | 14:35 |
| Pali | and there is something in CAL too (section part_table) | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW, did you try libcal? | 14:36 |
| Pali | not yet | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | grrr, why you wanted me to RE it :P | 14:37 |
| Pali | for 0xFFFF | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 14:37 |
| Pali | I have only readonly cal parser from calvaria in 0xFFFF | 14:37 |
| kerio | [ 0.011] Partition table successfully read | 14:38 |
| kerio | from where? | 14:38 |
| Pali | kerio, CAL | 14:38 |
| kerio | but... | 14:38 |
| kerio | how does it know where CAL is? | 14:38 |
| kerio | and what if you nuke CAL? | 14:38 |
| Pali | maybe hardcoded address | 14:39 |
| Pali | kerio, good question | 14:39 |
| Pali | I will try it | 14:39 |
| kerio | sambo7 did that | 14:39 |
| Pali | (in qemu) | 14:39 |
| kerio | and it still booted | 14:39 |
| kerio | my guess is that it reverts to some default | 14:39 |
| kerio | either that, or the onenand has its own partition table that we don't really know about | 14:39 |
| Pali | kerio, first we need to understand format of part_table in CAL | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I gather you meanwhile noticed that 'flashing' via rescueOS is no real substitute for flasher, if only regarding partitioning that might be fckedup too and gets fixed by flashing | 15:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huh? | 15:44 |
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| kerio | i assume you meant backupmenu there | 15:44 |
| kerio | rescueos can do whatever you want | 15:44 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is possibility to broke partitions? | 15:44 |
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| Drathir | backup menu can do repartitioning like do flasher? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sure, for example uBoot *can* cause weird partitions handed to kernel | 15:46 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: oh thats not nice.... | 15:47 |
| kerio | Drathir: he means mtd partitions there | 15:47 |
| kerio | the partitions on the emmc can be fucked a lot more easily | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: why? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's *always* _some_ way to break or mess up partitioning, unless you have something hardwired (never heard of such a thing) | 15:49 |
| Drathir | because if something can broke emmc propably can broke backup menu ? | 15:49 |
| kerio | Drathir: of course | 15:49 |
| kerio | then you reflash everything, install backupmenu, and restore your backup :) | 15:49 |
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| Drathir | kerio: yes true but then need acces to pc... | 15:50 |
| kerio | Drathir: from the n900 itself you can fuck up almost everything, yes | 15:51 |
| kerio | just... don't do it | 15:51 |
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| Drathir | but anyway this method faster can pickup to work from backup with ypur stuff... | 15:52 |
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| Drathir | btw my fight with video playing i think that maybe alsa inside mplayer caused problems... too many [AO_ALSA] Write error: Broken pipe | 15:53 |
| Drathir | [AO_ALSA] Trying to reset soundcard. | 15:53 |
| kerio | Drathir: you're supposed to use pulseaudio to play sounds | 15:54 |
| kerio | awwww, i've got a bad eraseblock :'( | 15:54 |
| Drathir | kerio: idk if that way works because pulse is some kind of patch to alsa but also check and try... | 15:55 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i don't remember all the modifications to my system :( | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hmm? | 16:08 |
| kerio | i don't remember exactly what i changed from a stock fremantle system | 16:09 |
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| kerio | i should've kept more notes | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while this for sure is a nice thing to have/do, I don't see the reason to mention it right now | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: a tip that maybe helps you: I try to write up everything as a scriptie, so I can reproduce it later. Or I use logs where scripts are too silly (see ~jrtools apt-get log) | 16:20 |
| Skry | +1 for scripting, and commenting it if necessary | 16:34 |
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| Drathir | strange is avaible two versions libsdl-mixer1.2.8 and libsdl-mixer1.2 | 16:40 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, now 0xFFFF can backup (on device) mtd images and create flashable fiasco archive | 16:44 |
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| kerio | Pali: what about the stuff in /opt/? | 17:09 |
| Pali | kerio, now writing TMO post and I will release beta version | 17:09 |
| Pali | kerio, patches are welcome | 17:10 |
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| Pali | Beta version of new 0xFFFF is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 17:20 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, merlin1991, freemangordon, kerio, ... look ^^^^ | 17:20 |
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| kerio | Pali: is the image valid if the rootfs is mounted? | 17:22 |
| Pali | kerio, it is same as: if you remove battery when rootfs is mounted... | 17:23 |
| kerio | i see | 17:23 |
| Pali | so after it some recovery will be called | 17:23 |
| kerio | so the on-device one is still supposed to be used from somewhere that's not actually running | 17:23 |
| kerio | (makes sense, really) | 17:23 |
| Pali | but ubifs has own recovery code in kernel | 17:23 |
| Pali | you can backup kernel & nolo | 17:23 |
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| Drathir | sib app looks nice... | 17:35 |
| Drathir | but detect only mp4 | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: new CSSU-T release shipped, if you need sth for next MWKN | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1297455#post1297455 | 18:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks. | 18:14 |
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| Pali | GeneralAntilles, also new beta version of 0xFFFF: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 18:32 |
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| kerio | MWKN? | 18:57 |
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| tadzik | Maemo Weekly News? | 19:01 |
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| kerio | oic | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pali, noted, thanks. | 19:05 |
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| Drathir | anyone just oc the graphics? | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: though OC for graphics/video rendering is one of the few clearly defined justified usecases for OC, it's largely terra incognita since nobody ever looks into particular gfx/dsp-accel OC. It's not even clear (at least I'm not sure) if you could clock the coprocessors like gfx-accel/dsp independently from main CPU. Also while several people claim "works for me" for several random OC rates of CPU, quite usually nobody ever even | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bothers to look into reliability of coprocessors and how it's affected by OC. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: also see: | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc | 20:20 |
| infobot | omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and keep in mind that during video playback, your CPU and GFX-accel hw most likely running at max clock freq all the time, so video playback time goes 100% into the assumed 1000h lifetime of CPU/SoC at 800MHz (less on higher clock rates) | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: SGX runs 150MHz(iirc) at max, no matter CPU speed | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you paid 400 bucks for N900, you have to decide if playing 90 min of video is worth a wear equaling 60ct value for you | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: so SGX can not be overclocked at all? | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it can be, but does not depend on CPU clock | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | 150 (iirc) is max stock | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | it could be 160 | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | not sure | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fun detail: we have no proper data about wear at different clock freq for SGX, afaik | 20:27 |
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| Skry | it's sgx 530 es3.x -> 110MHz max | 20:37 |
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| Skry | there are later variants which clock to 200MHz and 333MHz | 20:38 |
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| Skry | thank you doc | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | Skry: iirc 2630 is 160 | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | *3630 | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | in n9/50 | 20:39 |
| Skry | might very well be so | 20:39 |
| Skry | I assumed we were talking about n900 :) | 20:39 |
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| Skry | it looks like 530 in 3630 can go up to 192MHz, which would suggest it is es5 or 6, core rev 1.2.5 so to speak | 20:45 |
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| Skry | and for logs and reference, n900 has rev 1.2.1, so no magical unlocking of 200MHz I hear some talking about | 20:51 |
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| Skry | it does scale down however, to ~57MHz iirc, quite nicely | 20:52 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot for explain... i think about this because interesting me if it isnt any kind of software issue with video smooth play... must do more tests with compare to n80... | 20:54 |
| kerio | Drathir: is it really worth it to play HD videos on the n900? | 20:56 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i not sure if i will oc propably not but interested if upper speed give any results in decoding... | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly: is it worth to play HD videos at all, on hw that can do lowres only | 20:56 |
| Skry | Drathir: one thing I just remembered, I did notice some jerkiness with video ripped from PAL dvd, while NTSC source produces smooth video, so something framerate related perhaps? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or scaling to 480 is simpler than scaling to 512 ? | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ to / from /g | 20:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or scaling from 480 is simpler than scaling from 512 ? | 20:58 |
| kerio | s/512/576/ | 20:58 |
| kerio | fucking PAL >:( | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might as well be scaling 480<->512, whatever your TV-out config on N900, and what's your source media format | 20:59 |
| Drathir | kerio: thats the case that isnt hd only 480p, but with h264 encoded... | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: h.264 support on N900 is rudimentary | 21:00 |
| kerio | Drathir: freemangordon's 720p codecs should allow the playback of h264 | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are several grades of H.264 encodings afaik, and N900 only supports baseband | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems what I can recall | 21:01 |
| Skry | yeah, 3.0, without weighted p-frames | 21:02 |
| Skry | which ie handbrake tries to enable | 21:02 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i must check if this not a software issue, be that if n80 play is smoothly... | 21:03 |
| Drathir | to small amount of test i do for now... | 21:03 |
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| Drathir | i compare with n80 because only that phone i have and can test... | 21:05 |
| Drathir | good thing is while playing this video on n900 phone isnt verv hot, temp looks some like when battery is chrging... | 21:07 |
| Drathir | missing sensors to check temp... | 21:07 |
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