IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2012-11-23

Drathirlittle missing for me a little way like blackberry browser translate links and play inside builit in player...00:00
Drathirto much little...00:01
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vi__opera mobile should support bookmarklets.00:02
DocScrutinizer05you probably *could* even set up a shellscript to get started via M-H-D hotkey, that reads out X11 copybuffer by some standard X11 command and then invokes whatever you told it to invoke, possibly even depending on mimetype of copybuffer content00:02
Drathirkerio: yes i try but only opera allow to go to site with error adres aplication not recognised...00:02
FIQdat error00:05
FIQcan I disable it somehow?00:05
FIQand make it try to google it instead00:06
FIQit's very annoying when searching errors on google due to usual structure of an error msg00:06
Drathirafter use bb i can say for normal user is a good phones for power use dissalow a many of things, and cant do a lot of interesting things, but a few of function and abilities is good one to assimilete...00:06
kerioDrathir: btw, why are you using opera instead of microb?00:07
kerio(microb is the standard browser)00:07
Drathirkerio: opera looks a little less resource use and turbo mode...00:08
tadzikturbo is the selling point for me00:08
FIQless resource usage???00:08
tadzikI'm probably biased as hell though ;)00:08
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FIQturbo mode can be nice00:08
Drathirmissing for me ucweb browser with light memory use and tabs support it is java based...00:09
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FIQmain problem I have with microB is no tabs00:09
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FIQI tend to open many tabs on desktop, and ending up with 100ish is normal00:10
FIQgo figure what happens on phone00:10
tadzikI like it, it's easier to switch them this way00:10
Drathirturbo for gsm use save a lot of brandwidth... byt  ubwweb for effective data transfer looks better than opera...00:10
FIQi can't deny that00:10
FIQbut that can be solved by design00:10
tadzikif you open more than 4 tabs, is it microb or opera, you're insane :)00:10
FIQbut they clutter taskswitcher a lot00:11
FIQi usually end up with 10+00:11
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FIQthen close some as taskswitcher becomes impossible to use properly00:11
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FIQalso Drathir IIRC opera mini is available for n90000:12
FIQif you're concerned about data usage00:12
m4g0gwhat oauth library is recommended for using in n900?00:12
FIQI believe it uses a lot less than even opera turbo00:12
Drathirsad that n900 dont have a native light browser with server side prepare data... itcan be faster and less resource use for normal use if dond need advanced options like flash...00:13
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FIQwhat about opera turbo?00:13
FIQOpera Mobile is native, isn't it?00:14
tadzikit is00:14
Drathiryes is good but resorce use is higher than site will be translated prepared from server side engine...00:14
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FIQthe site is just compressed though00:15
tadzikthe difference between mini and mobile is essentialy that mobile renders pages on device00:15
FIQthe client still does the rendering00:15
Drathiropera mobile is more fat than opera mini, but more powerfull...00:15
Drathiryes i know that mini is java based..00:16
FIQnot the n900 version00:16
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FIQas it doesn't come with j2me00:16
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freemangordonvi____: ping00:17
Drathirthat kind light browser without advanced feautures for fast use with many windows and simple content of sites is missing on n900, but that only my minds...00:20
FIQopera mini is natively available on n900 fyi00:21
FIQdunno if the latest version is though, but 10 is definitely available00:22
Drathiranyone who have phone with java support can check ucbrowser and than know what i have on mean...00:22
DrathirFIQ: i check but opera mobile 12 is fatest version with advanced feautures00:24
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kolpReading the backlog... IS there any pressing reason maemo goes through a full reboot from act_dead to user, instead of just switching runlevels?00:45
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DocScrutinizer05kolp: that's a difficult question00:57
kolpHm, it might speed up the boot process a little bit, don't you think?00:58
DocScrutinizer05I might figure there's some issue with dependencies during services' strartup00:59
DocScrutinizer05act_dead might start services that aren't supposed to run when starting other services that aren't started yet in act_dead01:00
kolpCan't runlevels deal with that? Stop unwanted services?01:01
DocScrutinizer05so you'd have to shut down those services prior to starting up everything. Most easy way to do that would be to do a full reboot, no doubt01:01
DocScrutinizer05that's mere handwaving though01:02
DocScrutinizer05only way to find out: try direct transit from act_dead runlevel to full_service runlevel, see what's blowing chunks01:02
DocScrutinizer05don't miss to carefully check things like devicelock, 911-call etc01:03
kolpMight be that DSME or BME or whatever there's being started can't deal with a different STATE all of a sudden01:03
m4g0gmay be somebody used kqoauth library?01:03
DocScrutinizer05wtf is kqoauthlib now?01:04
DocScrutinizer05sounds like a kde lib01:04
m4g0git's oauth library for qt01:07
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kolpGna, anually switching to runlevel 5 (act-dead) is hard-wired to reboot, too01:19
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DocScrutinizer05fun factoid: in HARM switching to act_dead even lets survive your ssh login01:26
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rm_youkerio: tried popping the battery several times, it's obviously charging (and at this point now the charging light is green) so I assume the battery is fine? could be wrong01:57
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infobotDocScrutinizer51: :)03:08
Drathirwhat can be a reason that when system start have 20mb swap used? clean after restart use some about 120mb of ram thats a lot or not?03:11
Drathirthat will be strange if coreplayer will can smoothly play stream video on n80 but on n900 not i must will testing that...03:52
SpeedEvilthere is a lot of stuff run once on boot03:56
SpeedEvilall at once03:56
SpeedEvilit pushing stuff into swap seems bad though03:57
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DocScrutinizer05we got default setting of swappiness=100 (max), means everything that can gets swapped out04:00
DocScrutinizer05OTOH threre are several greedy processes that are preloaded at boot time and ram-locked (dialer, browserd, whatnot else) - that's why you see swap getting used pretty quickly04:01
SpeedEvilif it's swapping while booting, and not hitting ram limit while booting, that's bad04:01
SpeedEvilif it's swapping after booting, when idle, good.04:02
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: (botsnack) infobot's attention-char is '~'04:38
DocScrutinizer05thought as much04:39
DocScrutinizer05~chanset #maemo04:39
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: try ~help04:42
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DocScrutinizer05~stat :)04:47
DocScrutinizer05~upsidedown test04:50
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks little other than oryginal gochi have...05:29
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keriorm_you: try booting, now09:32
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* Drathir try to make video works correctly...11:25
Drathirx264 mean...11:26
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SkryDrathir: what's your problem?12:21
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vi____How do I explain to my boss that I am not 'lazy' I am just giving myself an artificial pay rise?12:48
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teotwakivi____: just tell him that you want to be able to focus entirely on the company and work, which means you're not greedy, you just don't want to have to worry about money.13:15
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vi____teotwaki: The pre-previous guy left for a job with a 50% increase in salary.  He left with a compiled version of the last firmware but no source code.13:35
vi____I am pretty sure it was a final fuck-you from beyond the grave.13:35
teotwakivi____: how much do you make?13:38
vi____I am ashamed to say.13:38
teotwakiactually, you don't need to say it out loud, just think of the answer13:38
teotwakiAnd think of how much you enable the company to 1/ function, 2/ ruin your life.13:38
teotwakiDoes your salary seem just to you?13:38
vi____Not even slightly.13:38
teotwakiThen either get a payraise, or walk away.13:39
vi____I am already on it.13:39
vi____I have a couple of applications allready 'in'.13:39
teotwakiDon't tell them "I'll leave", and don't go to interviews without telling them13:39
vi____teotwaki: Dont go to the interviews without telling?13:39
teotwakiJust tell them, "I've been asking for a raise for x months, and have been blatantly ignored, so I'm just letting you know that I've been contacted by other companies and am pondering my options"13:40
vi____teotwaki: Normally I would agree, however this particular company has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they do not give raises.13:40
teotwaki"This doesn't mean that I've decided to leave, but I don't feel the company values my skills enough, nor does it take my questions and worries into account."13:41
teotwakivi____: yeah, people said that about my company when I joined as well.13:41
teotwakiI got an 20% raise after 3 months in, and 30% a year later.13:41
vi____They let the my pre-predecessor walk away.  He had been working on this project for almost 2 years.  He knew it inside out.   They let him walk away without a fight.  Then they hired his replacement at the salary that he was asking for a raise too.13:42
teotwakiAnd am currently negotiating another 10% raise.13:42
vi____His replacement did not even know how to program.13:42
vi____teotwaki: That is because you are a gifted programmer.13:42
teotwakiI just know how to negotiate ;)13:42
teotwakiAnyway, lunch break, 'later.13:42
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MrPinguvi____: My N900 does not start on battery insert, however it "forgets" the time/date in less than 5 seconds13:58
vi____MrPingu: Yeah, all n900 go like that eventually.  The internal battery is garbage.14:00
vi____We are waiting for some brave soul to replace it with a capacitor!14:01
MrPinguvi____: I know, but you started that thread asking how N900 acts on batteryinsert. Was too lazy to find that thread14:02
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M4rtinKvi____: we did something like that on a Neo FreeRunner rework party - replaced all RTC batteries by supercapacitors14:03
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vi____M4rtinK: Any details on the super caps you used?14:17
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M4rtinKvi____: I think it was done according to these instructions:
vi____M4rtinK: Now that is a nice link! Thank you.14:33
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M4rtinKI can also ask the guy who did the actual reworks if you need some more info :)14:34
M4rtinKist been a year and a half since, so hope he still remembers something :)14:34
vi____M4rtinK: That link tells me all I need to know.14:34
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infobotfrom memory, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer16:55
DocScrutinizer05guess who originally suggested that rework16:58
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* ShadowJK has a supercap to change at $work17:16
ShadowJKbut I don't think I have the skills, it looks tricky17:16
ShadowJKcomponents on both side of board too17:17
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DocScrutinizer05nah, the bupbat has nice huge 'pins'17:22
DocScrutinizer05should be easier than soldering of a DIL1417:22
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DocScrutinizer05you might use some kapton film, solid thin carton etc, to push it between 'pin' and pad while desoldering17:23
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DocScrutinizer05or just use two soldering irons in parallel17:24
DocScrutinizer05or - the brute force EE approach - you cut the 'wires' of the bupbat so you can desolder one after the other17:25
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: anyway after desoldering the soldering of capacitor is just a piece of cake17:34
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DocScrutinizer05as long as you don't have to worry about oversize of new component17:35
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Gh0stycould it be the led controller is acting funny of my n900 due to a "relatively bad" battery?17:35
Gh0stybasicly when i plug it in it still charges ...17:35
Gh0stysometimes I even see a steady orange light when I plug it in17:35
DocScrutinizer05that's emergency charging17:36
Gh0stybut backlight nor warnings from sms or anything light up the led17:36
DocScrutinizer05hah, check your settings17:36
Gh0styand it all started recently when battery started drowning mega-fast17:36
Gh0stycan't even keep it for longer then a whole day without calls17:36
Gh0stylast week was on a party, took 1 call, made 2 pictures17:37
DocScrutinizer05not exactly unreasonable standby time17:37
Gh0stywas fully charged before that17:37
Gh0stylike say 3 - 4 hours it ran17:37
Gh0stywhen i took it out my pocket it wasdead17:37
Gh0stybattery completly discharged17:37
jon_ywas it warm?17:37
Gh0styuntil recently I could use it for ... 2 days (and nights) on standby17:38
DocScrutinizer053..4h is about the timespan you can expect with CPU at full load, and possibly screen backlight on17:38
Gh0stywell it was not on at all17:38
jon_ytry get a new battery to see if it makes a difference17:38
Gh0stynow it lasts more like 1 day and night on standby ...17:38
Gh0stywill have a look i think they sold these also on dealextreme :P17:39
DocScrutinizer05get, run it like ` 60 >>mybatlog` from a xterm, on boot17:39
jon_yobviously a battery problem if you can fix by replacing it17:39
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DocScrutinizer05obviously a battery problem when data in mybatlog suggests that17:41
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DocScrutinizer05Gh0sty: all the symptoms you described are more hinting towards some problem with rootfs than with battery18:08
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; oh, the supercap at $work is throughhole with smd components on both side of board and around (and between) the supercap pins18:19
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Gh0stya problem with rootfs causes the led and backligt to stop working?18:25
vi_Gh0sty: reboot.18:28
vi_I just had a funny conversation with tmobile.18:28
vi_The customer service literally does not understand what the internet is nor how it works.18:29
ShadowJKGh0sty's problem sounds vaguely familiar to some hw failure modes I've seen discussed before, but it's definitely too early to say anything one way or another witout further tests18:29
Gh0styvi_: already did several times18:29
vi_Gh0sty: powerdown, take battery out for 1 min.18:29
Gh0styShadowJK: and how does it end?18:29
Gh0styI need to backup my phone? :p18:30
vi_Gh0sty: You did that?18:30
Gh0styvi_: already did several times ...18:30
ShadowJKhow does what end?18:30
vi_Battery out?18:30
vi_ShadowJK: he wants to know how to fix it.18:30
Gh0styto try and fix the led controller you mean ;)18:30
Gh0styno its not working18:30
vi_Oh wait, the screen has stopped working?18:30
vi_Gh0sty: What is the last thing you did?18:30
vi_Gh0sty: no?18:30
vi_Then wtf are you asking?18:30
Gh0stylets start from the beginning ...18:30
vi_ok :)18:31
ShadowJKGh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing?18:31
Gh0stylike 2 weeks ago my led and KEYBOARD backligt did not work anymore18:31
vi_Gh0sty: every detail you leave out, god punches a kitten.18:31
Gh0styi tried any of the following combinations found on the internet:18:31
Gh0styturn off - remove battery for 10 minutes - turn on18:31
Gh0styturn off - remove battery whole night - turn on18:32
vi_what did you do before the backlight stopped working?18:32
Gh0styturn off - remove battery and sim - turn on18:32
vi_did you drop it?18:32
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Gh0styturn off - remove battery - sim and plug it in without battery - turn back on18:32
Gh0stywell not in the recent history at least18:32
Gh0styit made a couple of drops long time ago18:33
Gh0stythen all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned18:33
Gh0sty2 days later again everything gone ...18:33
Gh0stythe next day i noticed the battery has made a serious capacity dive18:34
Gh0styup to the fact this weekend it even went down after couple of hours (but i had used it then)18:34
ShadowJKGh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing?18:34
Gh0stynow when i recharge it its only good for a full day in stdby18:35
Gh0stynot anymore well if i plug it in without battery you still see the orange led very weak for a split second ...18:35
Gh0styever since I have not seen led nor keyboard backligt working ...18:37
Gh0styalso the strange thing there after the battery died in a couple of hours that weekend ...18:38
Gh0styI am pretty sure I plugged it in that night and turned it on a little later18:38
Gh0stythat noon when i woke up it was off ...18:38
DocScrutinizer05yeah pretty detailed description of 5% of the relevant facts. I still say it's sw related18:45
DocScrutinizer05possibly mce, or bme18:45
vi_Gh0sty: Do a complete reflash.18:45
vi_If problem persists, it is probably hardware related.18:45
* ShadowJK places bets on hw fault18:47
ShadowJKeither way, backup.18:47
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DocScrutinizer05of course we could start investigating stuff like (power)top, mce, syslog,, whatnot else18:47
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: which hw fault?18:48
freemangordonGh0sty: it you your RGB LED not working?18:48
freemangordon*it is18:48
DocScrutinizer05which hw fault would make indicator LED not work properly, cause massively reduced standby time, and issues with screen backlight? and battery deep discharge18:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: those could be separated things, we all know HW misdesign n900 has18:50
freemangordonlight sensor that is18:50
DocScrutinizer05might be generic NAND hw fault. Couldn't think of any other plausible single point of hw failure causing all this18:50
freemangordonI have the same experience (excludng the battery drain)18:50
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freemangordonit disappeared in a couple of days18:51
freemangordon(LED not working)18:51
freemangordonactually it works, but on very low brightness18:51
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: sure you haven't fsckd your ALS calibration?18:52
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: for sure I didn;t touch it18:52
freemangordonBTW it was during the summer18:52
DocScrutinizer05ALS calib is in CAL18:53
freemangordonGh0sty: is it possible that your n900 has been exposed to very bright light?18:53
DocScrutinizer05CAL erasure by ultrahard photons?18:54
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: toldya, I had the same LED not working proble, not solved with battery removal18:54
DocScrutinizer05who suggested battery removal?18:56
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: iirc ALS is connected on the same power bus? or something as some of the LEDs. If not all of the lleds18:56
DocScrutinizer05also you had NOT same problems, since you admitted ind LED was dim, not defect. And your standby time didn't drop18:57
freemangordonBTW I cannot remember if i flashed18:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: not dim, but almost invisible18:57
DocScrutinizer05no. ALS is not connected to any power bus18:57
freemangordonwell, then proximity18:57
freemangordonhowever, i've seen that. and it repaired by itself. almost NFC how18:59
freemangordon*has repaired18:59
DocScrutinizer05battery removal can reset LP5523 ind (& kbd) LED controller. That's all. All other 'fix' attempts are random nonsense, since neither removing one night nor SIM has anything to do with LP5523. And LP5523 hardly can cause massive reduction of standby time19:00
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: <Gh0sty> then all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned19:00
freemangordonthe same here19:00
DocScrutinizer05see ^^^19:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yep. but that could be a different problem. Forgotten wifi power savings disabled for example ;)19:02
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DocScrutinizer05I'd check LP5523 for basic functionality (e.g. with MohammadAG's nightrider light), then reflash (incl stock kernel!)19:07
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure. What I am trying to say is that maybe HW is ok.19:07
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned above, I couldn't think of a single point of hw failure explaining the listed symptoms19:08
freemangordonbut mce has gone crazy19:08
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DocScrutinizer05btw Gh0sty told about a party, about photos, even videos maybe. I recall fcam messing with LP5523 sysnodes in a way so mce starts segfaulting19:12
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DocScrutinizer05we had several reports about similar symptoms with LEDs related to fcam, some years ago19:13
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DocScrutinizer05depending on race conditions during boot up, you can end with a working or a broken mce, depending on who's first to open/lock the lp5523 sysnodes19:14
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DocScrutinizer05fcam seriously crapped own pants with that indicatior LED control it implemented19:15
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vi__shai hulud!20:34
DrathirSkry: i try to optimise smoothly of play x264 on n900... try throught xforward ssh, sshfs, and locally play...20:38
Drathirhi all...20:39
Drathirvi__: maybe give you more interesting things to work if something interesting you lazy dosent matter...20:40
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DrathirO.o new updates...21:51
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: was the fcam led bug fixed?21:59
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: tbh I got no idea22:14
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vi__so are we allowed to distribute the firmware files?22:19
DocScrutinizer05vi__: nobody will ever ask that question22:23
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vi__I mean if I roll community-firmware_no-crap-edition.bin and make a post on tmo will I get in trouble?22:28
keriovi__: to be safer, i'd install the bme replacement on your firmware :322:30
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vi__kerio: to be clear I do not think I have done enough to call it my firmware, lets call it CE (community edition).22:32
vi__kerio: the goal is to create the best starting point for flashing from.22:33
vi__so there will be nothing installed except maybe flash 10 and rootfs.22:33
vi__also backupmenu.22:34
keriodon't ship rootsh please :(22:34
kerioship a known password and a sudoers file that lets you do stuff passwordly22:34
keriohell, ship an empty password and a passwordful sudoers22:34
vi__does that mean if the user installs rootfs, they will have to type in a password when they type root?22:35
keriothey'll have to type in a password when they type "sudo <something>"22:35
kerioas it should be22:35
keriono, wait22:35
keriowhen the user installs rootsh, he'll just be able to sudo gainroot passwordlessly22:35
keriohe *shouldn't*22:35
keriobecause rootsh is fucking awful22:36
vi__That will be a massive break from convention and will potentially brake loads of peoples poorly written scriots.22:36
kerioscripts don't expect passwordless sudo22:40
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: (trouble) if you ask dor it, you might be able to get into trouble22:45
DocScrutinizer05I'll however make you feel trouble when users make 'maemo-ssu feel trouble about stuff 'optimized' out of that firmware for no good reason, based on incomplete and sloppy evaluation22:46
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vi__The point is there is nothing optimised.22:47
vi__it is just standard firmware with things like ovi-widget removed.22:48
DocScrutinizer05I'm fine with removing ovi-widget. I start to frown when removing games, and I'll ask for moderation of tmo when that firmware has e.g. jumping-dots removed22:49
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: ovi proppably hard to remove because its nokia...22:51
vi__but jumping dots is just a package.  It requires no bodgery to remove it.22:51
vi__Drathir: apt-get purge ovi-promotion-widget22:52
Drathirvi__: hrhr O.o22:52
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DocScrutinizer51vi__: fine. A pretty good argument to leave removing it to user then23:06
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DocScrutinizer51if $cssu would have considred it worth removing, it probably already was removed, don't you think so? so how you gonna roll an "official" cssu fiasco?23:08
DocScrutinizer51this IS NOT official23:08
keriohe never said it's a cssu fiasco23:10
keriobtw, make an official cssu fiasco23:11
kerioDocScrutinizer51: maemoblocks *is* awful23:12
vi__DocScrutinizer51: Did I say this wa anything official? jesus christ, I just want to do something for the community.23:12
vi__do you think I am going to create the next speedpatch by removing startup dots and that bullshit rss feeder?23:15
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SkryI certainly would welcome *-no-crap-edition.* very warmly and could see myself even using one, if available.23:16
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DocScrutinizer51if you all can't see how silly an idea it was to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco images to meet every single user's personal preferences, then I really dunno23:16
DocScrutinizer51at CSSU we'll definitely deprecate and discourage usage of any such personalized fiasco23:18
DocScrutinizer51since we simply CAN NOT do support for it23:18
Ken-YoungIf one is not interested in overclocking, is there any real advantage to using the power kernel on the N900?   I haven't seen any bug fixes in it that look especially important for normal users.   Am I missing something?23:20
kerioKen-Young: iptables23:20
DocScrutinizer51if you think XY has to get kicked, go and discuss it in #maemo-ssu and provide a patch so every CSSU installation will be similar, no matter what fiasco it's based on23:20
keriobridge interfaces23:20
keriowifi injection23:20
Ken-Youngmobile-hotspot works on my N900 with the vanilla kernel.23:21
kerioKen-Young: really?23:21
Ken-YoungYup.   I use it all the time at airports.23:21
Ken-YoungIt's better than Joiku, because it doesn't burn through the battery so quickly.23:21
M4rtinKmobile hotspot != joikuspot23:22
DocScrutinizer51eh? you use mobile hotspot at airports?23:22
Ken-YoungI know.   I have both.23:22
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer05, I use it to get net access for my laptop.23:22
DocScrutinizer51rogue honeypot AP?23:22
tadzikthere's no wifi at certain airports23:22
Ken-YoungFRA?   I don't know what that is.23:23
tadzikFrankfurt International Airport. Claims to be the biggest-ish airport in europe, no way to get a wifi anywhere23:23
Ken-YoungAll major airports in the US have WiFi, but it isn't free,23:23
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DocScrutinizer51anyway, better do a uname -a23:24
DocScrutinizer51you might be surprised23:25
DocScrutinizer51odds are you're already using KP sinve ages without even noticing23:25
Ken-Younguname -a = Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux23:25
DocScrutinizer51I always thought mobile hotspot depends on KP23:26
Ken-YoungBoth Joiku spot and mobile hotspot work, although Joiku works best  as a hand warmer.23:26
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DocScrutinizer51anyway, no there's no 'sekrit' rationale to use KP. If you need it, you'll know that23:28
DocScrutinizer51nobody, literally nobody, so far came up with any hard numbers about any supposed battery savings or whatever in KP23:29
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DocScrutinizer51such claims always based 'on the obvious'23:29
Ken-YoungOK, thanks for the info.   I kinda soured on KP, because I ended up unintentionally overclocking.   I'm sure it was something dumb I did, but if I don't really get any extra functionallity from KP, I'll just stick with the stock kernel.23:29
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Luke-JrI forgot I keep my N900 in my N810 case23:36
DocScrutinizer51there's a lot of extra funcionality in KP. *extra* functionality, not improved funcionality. If you ned anyof those extras, you'll probably notice that23:37
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vi__there is free wifi in frankfurt airport.23:39
vi__just need a little mac spoofing is all.23:39
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Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer05, Yeah, I've seen some lists of extra functionality, but nothing I need.   Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise, but I see no need for iptables, etc.23:41
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vi__more MHz==MOAR POWUH23:44
Drathirvi__: moar what?23:45
Drathirsome kind of fast kill the phone?23:47
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DocScrutinizer51basically yes23:49
infobotmethinks omap-oc is  read that!, or and this
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DocScrutinizer51CPU livetime at 500MHz: 50k hours. at 600MHz: 10k h. at 800MHz: probabaly 1000 h or less23:54
DocScrutinizer51after that operation time 5..7 percent will show defects23:55
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