| Drathir | little missing for me a little way like blackberry browser translate links and play inside builit in player... | 00:00 |
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| Drathir | to much little... | 00:01 |
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| vi__ | although... | 00:02 |
| vi__ | opera mobile should support bookmarklets. | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably *could* even set up a shellscript to get started via M-H-D hotkey, that reads out X11 copybuffer by some standard X11 command and then invokes whatever you told it to invoke, possibly even depending on mimetype of copybuffer content | 00:02 |
| Drathir | kerio: yes i try but only opera allow to go to site with error adres aplication not recognised... | 00:02 |
| FIQ | dat error | 00:05 |
| FIQ | can I disable it somehow? | 00:05 |
| FIQ | and make it try to google it instead | 00:06 |
| FIQ | it's very annoying when searching errors on google due to usual structure of an error msg | 00:06 |
| Drathir | after use bb i can say for normal user is a good phones for power use dissalow a many of things, and cant do a lot of interesting things, but a few of function and abilities is good one to assimilete... | 00:06 |
| kerio | Drathir: btw, why are you using opera instead of microb? | 00:07 |
| kerio | (microb is the standard browser) | 00:07 |
| Drathir | kerio: opera looks a little less resource use and turbo mode... | 00:08 |
| tadzik | turbo is the selling point for me | 00:08 |
| FIQ | less resource usage??? | 00:08 |
| tadzik | I'm probably biased as hell though ;) | 00:08 |
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| FIQ | turbo mode can be nice | 00:08 |
| Drathir | missing for me ucweb browser with light memory use and tabs support it is java based... | 00:09 |
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| FIQ | bleh | 00:09 |
| FIQ | main problem I have with microB is no tabs | 00:09 |
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| FIQ | I tend to open many tabs on desktop, and ending up with 100ish is normal | 00:10 |
| FIQ | go figure what happens on phone | 00:10 |
| tadzik | I like it, it's easier to switch them this way | 00:10 |
| Drathir | turbo for gsm use save a lot of brandwidth... byt ubwweb for effective data transfer looks better than opera... | 00:10 |
| FIQ | i can't deny that | 00:10 |
| FIQ | but that can be solved by design | 00:10 |
| tadzik | if you open more than 4 tabs, is it microb or opera, you're insane :) | 00:10 |
| FIQ | but they clutter taskswitcher a lot | 00:11 |
| FIQ | meh | 00:11 |
| FIQ | i usually end up with 10+ | 00:11 |
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| FIQ | then close some as taskswitcher becomes impossible to use properly | 00:11 |
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| FIQ | also Drathir IIRC opera mini is available for n900 | 00:12 |
| FIQ | if you're concerned about data usage | 00:12 |
| m4g0g | what oauth library is recommended for using in n900? | 00:12 |
| FIQ | I believe it uses a lot less than even opera turbo | 00:12 |
| Drathir | sad that n900 dont have a native light browser with server side prepare data... itcan be faster and less resource use for normal use if dond need advanced options like flash... | 00:13 |
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| FIQ | uhh | 00:13 |
| FIQ | what about opera turbo? | 00:13 |
| FIQ | Opera Mobile is native, isn't it? | 00:14 |
| tadzik | it is | 00:14 |
| Drathir | yes is good but resorce use is higher than site will be translated prepared from server side engine... | 00:14 |
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| tadzik | yeah | 00:15 |
| FIQ | the site is just compressed though | 00:15 |
| tadzik | the difference between mini and mobile is essentialy that mobile renders pages on device | 00:15 |
| FIQ | the client still does the rendering | 00:15 |
| FIQ | yeah | 00:15 |
| Drathir | opera mobile is more fat than opera mini, but more powerfull... | 00:15 |
| Drathir | yes i know that mini is java based.. | 00:16 |
| FIQ | not the n900 version | 00:16 |
| FIQ | IIRC | 00:16 |
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| FIQ | as it doesn't come with j2me | 00:16 |
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| freemangordon | vi____: ping | 00:17 |
| Drathir | that kind light browser without advanced feautures for fast use with many windows and simple content of sites is missing on n900, but that only my minds... | 00:20 |
| FIQ | opera mini is natively available on n900 fyi | 00:21 |
| FIQ | dunno if the latest version is though, but 10 is definitely available | 00:22 |
| Drathir | anyone who have phone with java support can check ucbrowser and than know what i have on mean... | 00:22 |
| Drathir | FIQ: i check but opera mobile 12 is fatest version with advanced feautures | 00:24 |
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| FIQ | ok | 00:27 |
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| kolp | Reading the backlog... IS there any pressing reason maemo goes through a full reboot from act_dead to user, instead of just switching runlevels? | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: that's a difficult question | 00:57 |
| kolp | Hm, it might speed up the boot process a little bit, don't you think? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might figure there's some issue with dependencies during services' strartup | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | act_dead might start services that aren't supposed to run when starting other services that aren't started yet in act_dead | 01:00 |
| kolp | Can't runlevels deal with that? Stop unwanted services? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you'd have to shut down those services prior to starting up everything. Most easy way to do that would be to do a full reboot, no doubt | 01:01 |
| kolp | True | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's mere handwaving though | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only way to find out: try direct transit from act_dead runlevel to full_service runlevel, see what's blowing chunks | 01:02 |
| m4g0g | Hi | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't miss to carefully check things like devicelock, 911-call etc | 01:03 |
| kolp | Might be that DSME or BME or whatever there's being started can't deal with a different STATE all of a sudden | 01:03 |
| m4g0g | may be somebody used kqoauth library? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is kqoauthlib now? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like a kde lib | 01:04 |
| m4g0g | it's oauth library for qt | 01:07 |
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| kolp | Gna, anually switching to runlevel 5 (act-dead) is hard-wired to reboot, too | 01:19 |
| kolp | *actually | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fun factoid: in HARM switching to act_dead even lets survive your ssh login | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW | 01:27 |
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| kolp | Nice | 01:30 |
| kolp | gtg | 01:30 |
| kolp | n( | 01:30 |
| kolp | n8 | 01:30 |
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| rm_you | kerio: tried popping the battery several times, it's obviously charging (and at this point now the charging light is green) so I assume the battery is fine? could be wrong | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 03:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 03:08 |
| Drathir | what can be a reason that when system start have 20mb swap used? clean after restart use some about 120mb of ram thats a lot or not? | 03:11 |
| Drathir | botsnack | 03:11 |
| Drathir | gochi | 03:11 |
| Drathir | that will be strange if coreplayer will can smoothly play stream video on n80 but on n900 not i must will testing that... | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a lot of stuff run once on boot | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | all at once | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | it pushing stuff into swap seems bad though | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we got default setting of swappiness=100 (max), means everything that can gets swapped out | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OTOH threre are several greedy processes that are preloaded at boot time and ram-locked (dialer, browserd, whatnot else) - that's why you see swap getting used pretty quickly | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | if it's swapping while booting, and not hitting ram limit while booting, that's bad | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | if it's swapping after booting, when idle, good. | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: (botsnack) infobot's attention-char is '~' | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #maemo | 04:39 |
| infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) | 04:39 |
| infobot | OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset _default | 04:40 |
| infobot | Default channel settings | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | addressCharacter => ~ | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: try ~help | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~stat :) | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~stat | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~upsidedown test | 04:50 |
| infobot | ʇsǝʇ | 04:50 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks little other than oryginal gochi have... | 05:29 |
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| kerio | rm_you: try booting, now | 09:32 |
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| * Drathir try to make video works correctly... | 11:25 | |
| Drathir | x264 mean... | 11:26 |
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| Skry | morning | 12:21 |
| Skry | Drathir: what's your problem? | 12:21 |
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| vi____ | yo | 12:24 |
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| vi____ | How do I explain to my boss that I am not 'lazy' I am just giving myself an artificial pay rise? | 12:48 |
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| teotwaki | vi____: just tell him that you want to be able to focus entirely on the company and work, which means you're not greedy, you just don't want to have to worry about money. | 13:15 |
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| vi____ | teotwaki: The pre-previous guy left for a job with a 50% increase in salary. He left with a compiled version of the last firmware but no source code. | 13:35 |
| vi____ | I am pretty sure it was a final fuck-you from beyond the grave. | 13:35 |
| teotwaki | vi____: how much do you make? | 13:38 |
| vi____ | I am ashamed to say. | 13:38 |
| teotwaki | actually, you don't need to say it out loud, just think of the answer | 13:38 |
| teotwaki | And think of how much you enable the company to 1/ function, 2/ ruin your life. | 13:38 |
| vi____ | Yup. | 13:38 |
| vi____ | Yup. | 13:38 |
| teotwaki | Does your salary seem just to you? | 13:38 |
| vi____ | Not even slightly. | 13:38 |
| teotwaki | Then either get a payraise, or walk away. | 13:39 |
| vi____ | I am already on it. | 13:39 |
| vi____ | I have a couple of applications allready 'in'. | 13:39 |
| teotwaki | Don't tell them "I'll leave", and don't go to interviews without telling them | 13:39 |
| vi____ | teotwaki: Dont go to the interviews without telling? | 13:39 |
| teotwaki | Just tell them, "I've been asking for a raise for x months, and have been blatantly ignored, so I'm just letting you know that I've been contacted by other companies and am pondering my options" | 13:40 |
| vi____ | teotwaki: Normally I would agree, however this particular company has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they do not give raises. | 13:40 |
| teotwaki | "This doesn't mean that I've decided to leave, but I don't feel the company values my skills enough, nor does it take my questions and worries into account." | 13:41 |
| teotwaki | vi____: yeah, people said that about my company when I joined as well. | 13:41 |
| teotwaki | I got an 20% raise after 3 months in, and 30% a year later. | 13:41 |
| vi____ | They let the my pre-predecessor walk away. He had been working on this project for almost 2 years. He knew it inside out. They let him walk away without a fight. Then they hired his replacement at the salary that he was asking for a raise too. | 13:42 |
| teotwaki | And am currently negotiating another 10% raise. | 13:42 |
| vi____ | His replacement did not even know how to program. | 13:42 |
| vi____ | teotwaki: That is because you are a gifted programmer. | 13:42 |
| teotwaki | No. | 13:42 |
| teotwaki | I just know how to negotiate ;) | 13:42 |
| vi____ | heh. | 13:42 |
| teotwaki | Anyway, lunch break, 'later. | 13:42 |
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| MrPingu | Yo! | 13:57 |
| MrPingu | vi____: My N900 does not start on battery insert, however it "forgets" the time/date in less than 5 seconds | 13:58 |
| vi____ | MrPingu: Yeah, all n900 go like that eventually. The internal battery is garbage. | 14:00 |
| vi____ | We are waiting for some brave soul to replace it with a capacitor! | 14:01 |
| MrPingu | vi____: I know, but you started that thread asking how N900 acts on batteryinsert. Was too lazy to find that thread | 14:02 |
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| M4rtinK | vi____: we did something like that on a Neo FreeRunner rework party - replaced all RTC batteries by supercapacitors | 14:03 |
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| vi____ | M4rtinK: Any details on the super caps you used? | 14:17 |
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| M4rtinK | vi____: I think it was done according to these instructions: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_RTC_backup_battery | 14:29 |
| vi____ | M4rtinK: Now that is a nice link! Thank you. | 14:33 |
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| M4rtinK | I can also ask the guy who did the actual reworks if you need some more info :) | 14:34 |
| M4rtinK | ist been a year and a half since, so hope he still remembers something :) | 14:34 |
| vi____ | M4rtinK: That link tells me all I need to know. | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:46 |
| FIQ | :-D | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 16:55 |
| infobot | from memory, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guess who originally suggested that rework | 16:58 |
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| * ShadowJK has a supercap to change at $work | 17:16 | |
| ShadowJK | but I don't think I have the skills, it looks tricky | 17:16 |
| ShadowJK | components on both side of board too | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, the bupbat has nice huge 'pins' | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be easier than soldering of a DIL14 | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might use some kapton film, solid thin carton etc, to push it between 'pin' and pad while desoldering | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or just use two soldering irons in parallel | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or - the brute force EE approach - you cut the 'wires' of the bupbat so you can desolder one after the other | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: anyway after desoldering the soldering of capacitor is just a piece of cake | 17:34 |
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| Gh0sty | hmm | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you don't have to worry about oversize of new component | 17:35 |
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| Gh0sty | could it be the led controller is acting funny of my n900 due to a "relatively bad" battery? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 17:35 |
| Gh0sty | basicly when i plug it in it still charges ... | 17:35 |
| Gh0sty | sometimes I even see a steady orange light when I plug it in | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's emergency charging | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | but backlight nor warnings from sms or anything light up the led | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, check your settings | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | and it all started recently when battery started drowning mega-fast | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | can't even keep it for longer then a whole day without calls | 17:36 |
| Gh0sty | last week was on a party, took 1 call, made 2 pictures | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly unreasonable standby time | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | was fully charged before that | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | like say 3 - 4 hours it ran | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | when i took it out my pocket it wasdead | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | battery completly discharged | 17:37 |
| jon_y | was it warm? | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | no | 17:37 |
| Gh0sty | until recently I could use it for ... 2 days (and nights) on standby | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3..4h is about the timespan you can expect with CPU at full load, and possibly screen backlight on | 17:38 |
| Gh0sty | well it was not on at all | 17:38 |
| jon_y | try get a new battery to see if it makes a difference | 17:38 |
| Gh0sty | now it lasts more like 1 day and night on standby ... | 17:38 |
| Gh0sty | will have a look i think they sold these also on dealextreme :P | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get bq27200.sh, run it like `bq27200.sh 60 >>mybatlog` from a xterm, on boot | 17:39 |
| jon_y | obviously a battery problem if you can fix by replacing it | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously a battery problem when data in mybatlog suggests that | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: all the symptoms you described are more hinting towards some problem with rootfs than with battery | 18:08 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; oh, the supercap at $work is throughhole with smd components on both side of board and around (and between) the supercap pins | 18:19 |
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| Gh0sty | a problem with rootfs causes the led and backligt to stop working? | 18:25 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: reboot. | 18:28 |
| vi_ | I just had a funny conversation with tmobile. | 18:28 |
| vi_ | The customer service literally does not understand what the internet is nor how it works. | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | Gh0sty's problem sounds vaguely familiar to some hw failure modes I've seen discussed before, but it's definitely too early to say anything one way or another witout further tests | 18:29 |
| Gh0sty | vi_: already did several times | 18:29 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: powerdown, take battery out for 1 min. | 18:29 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: and how does it end? | 18:29 |
| Gh0sty | I need to backup my phone? :p | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: You did that? | 18:30 |
| Gh0sty | vi_: already did several times ... | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | how does what end? | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Battery out? | 18:30 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: he wants to know how to fix it. | 18:30 |
| Gh0sty | to try and fix the led controller you mean ;) | 18:30 |
| Gh0sty | no its not working | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Oh wait, the screen has stopped working? | 18:30 |
| Gh0sty | no | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: What is the last thing you did? | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: no? | 18:30 |
| vi_ | Then wtf are you asking? | 18:30 |
| Gh0sty | lets start from the beginning ... | 18:30 |
| vi_ | ok :) | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | Gh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing? | 18:31 |
| Gh0sty | like 2 weeks ago my led and KEYBOARD backligt did not work anymore | 18:31 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: every detail you leave out, god punches a kitten. | 18:31 |
| Gh0sty | i tried any of the following combinations found on the internet: | 18:31 |
| Gh0sty | turn off - remove battery for 10 minutes - turn on | 18:31 |
| Gh0sty | turn off - remove battery whole night - turn on | 18:32 |
| vi_ | what did you do before the backlight stopped working? | 18:32 |
| Gh0sty | turn off - remove battery and sim - turn on | 18:32 |
| vi_ | did you drop it? | 18:32 |
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| Gh0sty | turn off - remove battery - sim and plug it in without battery - turn back on | 18:32 |
| Gh0sty | etc | 18:32 |
| Gh0sty | no | 18:32 |
| Gh0sty | well not in the recent history at least | 18:32 |
| Gh0sty | it made a couple of drops long time ago | 18:33 |
| Gh0sty | then all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned | 18:33 |
| Gh0sty | 2 days later again everything gone ... | 18:33 |
| Gh0sty | the next day i noticed the battery has made a serious capacity dive | 18:34 |
| Gh0sty | up to the fact this weekend it even went down after couple of hours (but i had used it then) | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | Gh0sty; does it at any point when charging or plugging in do the glowing/pulsing yellow led thing? | 18:34 |
| Gh0sty | now when i recharge it its only good for a full day in stdby | 18:35 |
| Gh0sty | not anymore well if i plug it in without battery you still see the orange led very weak for a split second ... | 18:35 |
| Gh0sty | ever since I have not seen led nor keyboard backligt working ... | 18:37 |
| Gh0sty | also the strange thing there after the battery died in a couple of hours that weekend ... | 18:38 |
| Gh0sty | I am pretty sure I plugged it in that night and turned it on a little later | 18:38 |
| Gh0sty | that noon when i woke up it was off ... | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah pretty detailed description of 5% of the relevant facts. I still say it's sw related | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly mce, or bme | 18:45 |
| vi_ | Gh0sty: Do a complete reflash. | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 18:45 |
| vi_ | If problem persists, it is probably hardware related. | 18:45 |
| * ShadowJK places bets on hw fault | 18:47 | |
| ShadowJK | either way, backup. | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course we could start investigating stuff like (power)top, mce, syslog, bq27200.sh, whatnot else | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: which hw fault? | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | Gh0sty: it you your RGB LED not working? | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | *it is | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which hw fault would make indicator LED not work properly, cause massively reduced standby time, and issues with screen backlight? and battery deep discharge | 18:49 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: those could be separated things, we all know HW misdesign n900 has | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | light sensor that is | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be generic NAND hw fault. Couldn't think of any other plausible single point of hw failure causing all this | 18:50 |
| freemangordon | I have the same experience (excludng the battery drain) | 18:50 |
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| freemangordon | it disappeared in a couple of days | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | (LED not working) | 18:51 |
| freemangordon | actually it works, but on very low brightness | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: sure you haven't fsckd your ALS calibration? | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: for sure I didn;t touch it | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | BTW it was during the summer | 18:52 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ALS calib is in CAL | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | Gh0sty: is it possible that your n900 has been exposed to very bright light? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ???????????? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CAL erasure by ultrahard photons? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: toldya, I had the same LED not working proble, not solved with battery removal | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who suggested battery removal? | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: iirc ALS is connected on the same power bus? or something as some of the LEDs. If not all of the lleds | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you had NOT same problems, since you admitted ind LED was dim, not defect. And your standby time didn't drop | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | BTW I cannot remember if i flashed | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: not dim, but almost invisible | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no. ALS is not connected to any power bus | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | well, then proximity | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither | 18:58 |
| freemangordon | however, i've seen that. and it repaired by itself. almost NFC how | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | *has repaired | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery removal can reset LP5523 ind (& kbd) LED controller. That's all. All other 'fix' attempts are random nonsense, since neither removing one night nor SIM has anything to do with LP5523. And LP5523 hardly can cause massive reduction of standby time | 19:00 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: <Gh0sty> then all of the sudden plugging it in a couple of days later and *yay* led and keyboard backlight returned | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | the same here | 19:00 |
| freemangordon | was^^^ | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see ^^^ | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep. but that could be a different problem. Forgotten wifi power savings disabled for example ;) | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd check LP5523 for basic functionality (e.g. with MohammadAG's nightrider light), then reflash (incl stock kernel!) | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sure. What I am trying to say is that maybe HW is ok. | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as mentioned above, I couldn't think of a single point of hw failure explaining the listed symptoms | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | but mce has gone crazy | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw Gh0sty told about a party, about photos, even videos maybe. I recall fcam messing with LP5523 sysnodes in a way so mce starts segfaulting | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we had several reports about similar symptoms with LEDs related to fcam, some years ago | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on race conditions during boot up, you can end with a working or a broken mce, depending on who's first to open/lock the lp5523 sysnodes | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fcam seriously crapped own pants with that indicatior LED control it implemented | 19:15 |
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| vi__ | shai hulud! | 20:34 |
| Drathir | Skry: i try to optimise smoothly of play x264 on n900... try throught xforward ssh, sshfs, and locally play... | 20:38 |
| Drathir | hi all... | 20:39 |
| Drathir | vi__: maybe give you more interesting things to work if something interesting you lazy dosent matter... | 20:40 |
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| Drathir | O.o new updates... | 21:51 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: was the fcam led bug fixed? | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: tbh I got no idea | 22:14 |
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| vi__ | so are we allowed to distribute the firmware files? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: nobody will ever ask that question | 22:23 |
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| vi__ | I mean if I roll community-firmware_no-crap-edition.bin and make a post on tmo will I get in trouble? | 22:28 |
| kerio | vi__: to be safer, i'd install the bme replacement on your firmware :3 | 22:30 |
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| vi__ | kerio: to be clear I do not think I have done enough to call it my firmware, lets call it CE (community edition). | 22:32 |
| vi__ | kerio: the goal is to create the best starting point for flashing from. | 22:33 |
| vi__ | so there will be nothing installed except maybe flash 10 and rootfs. | 22:33 |
| vi__ | also backupmenu. | 22:34 |
| kerio | don't ship rootsh please :( | 22:34 |
| vi__ | no? | 22:34 |
| kerio | ship a known password and a sudoers file that lets you do stuff passwordly | 22:34 |
| kerio | hell, ship an empty password and a passwordful sudoers | 22:34 |
| vi__ | does that mean if the user installs rootfs, they will have to type in a password when they type root? | 22:35 |
| kerio | they'll have to type in a password when they type "sudo <something>" | 22:35 |
| kerio | as it should be | 22:35 |
| kerio | no, wait | 22:35 |
| kerio | when the user installs rootsh, he'll just be able to sudo gainroot passwordlessly | 22:35 |
| kerio | he *shouldn't* | 22:35 |
| kerio | because rootsh is fucking awful | 22:36 |
| vi__ | That will be a massive break from convention and will potentially brake loads of peoples poorly written scriots. | 22:36 |
| kerio | scripts don't expect passwordless sudo | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: (trouble) if you ask dor it, you might be able to get into trouble | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for* | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll however make you feel trouble when users make 'maemo-ssu feel trouble about stuff 'optimized' out of that firmware for no good reason, based on incomplete and sloppy evaluation | 22:46 |
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| vi__ | The point is there is nothing optimised. | 22:47 |
| vi__ | it is just standard firmware with things like ovi-widget removed. | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm fine with removing ovi-widget. I start to frown when removing games, and I'll ask for moderation of tmo when that firmware has e.g. jumping-dots removed | 22:49 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ovi proppably hard to remove because its nokia... | 22:51 |
| vi__ | but jumping dots is just a package. It requires no bodgery to remove it. | 22:51 |
| vi__ | Drathir: apt-get purge ovi-promotion-widget | 22:52 |
| Drathir | vi__: hrhr O.o | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | vi__: fine. A pretty good argument to leave removing it to user then | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if $cssu would have considred it worth removing, it probably already was removed, don't you think so? so how you gonna roll an "official" cssu fiasco? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this IS NOT official | 23:08 |
| kerio | he never said it's a cssu fiasco | 23:10 |
| kerio | btw, make an official cssu fiasco | 23:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: maemoblocks *is* awful | 23:12 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: Did I say this wa anything official? jesus christ, I just want to do something for the community. | 23:12 |
| tadzik | vi__++ | 23:14 |
| vi__ | do you think I am going to create the next speedpatch by removing startup dots and that bullshit rss feeder? | 23:15 |
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| Skry | I certainly would welcome *-no-crap-edition.* very warmly and could see myself even using one, if available. | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if you all can't see how silly an idea it was to roll 6487 different permutations of fiasco images to meet every single user's personal preferences, then I really dunno | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | at CSSU we'll definitely deprecate and discourage usage of any such personalized fiasco | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | since we simply CAN NOT do support for it | 23:18 |
| Ken-Young | If one is not interested in overclocking, is there any real advantage to using the power kernel on the N900? I haven't seen any bug fixes in it that look especially important for normal users. Am I missing something? | 23:20 |
| kerio | Ken-Young: iptables | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you think XY has to get kicked, go and discuss it in #maemo-ssu and provide a patch so every CSSU installation will be similar, no matter what fiasco it's based on | 23:20 |
| kerio | smartreflex | 23:20 |
| tadzik | mobile-hotspot | 23:20 |
| kerio | bridge interfaces | 23:20 |
| kerio | fbcon | 23:20 |
| kerio | wifi injection | 23:20 |
| Ken-Young | mobile-hotspot works on my N900 with the vanilla kernel. | 23:21 |
| kerio | Ken-Young: really? | 23:21 |
| kerio | :o | 23:21 |
| Ken-Young | Yup. I use it all the time at airports. | 23:21 |
| tadzik | surprising | 23:21 |
| Ken-Young | It's better than Joiku, because it doesn't burn through the battery so quickly. | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | mobile hotspot != joikuspot | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? you use mobile hotspot at airports? | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why?? | 23:22 |
| Ken-Young | I know. I have both. | 23:22 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, I use it to get net access for my laptop. | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rogue honeypot AP? | 23:22 |
| tadzik | there's no wifi at certain airports | 23:22 |
| tadzik | *cough*FRA*cough* | 23:22 |
| Ken-Young | FRA? I don't know what that is. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | frankenfurth | 23:23 |
| tadzik | Frankfurt International Airport. Claims to be the biggest-ish airport in europe, no way to get a wifi anywhere | 23:23 |
| Ken-Young | All major airports in the US have WiFi, but it isn't free, | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, better do a uname -a | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you might be surprised | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odds are you're already using KP sinve ages without even noticing | 23:25 |
| Ken-Young | uname -a = Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | weird | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I always thought mobile hotspot depends on KP | 23:26 |
| Ken-Young | Both Joiku spot and mobile hotspot work, although Joiku works best as a hand warmer. | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, no there's no 'sekrit' rationale to use KP. If you need it, you'll know that | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody, literally nobody, so far came up with any hard numbers about any supposed battery savings or whatever in KP | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | such claims always based 'on the obvious' | 23:29 |
| Ken-Young | OK, thanks for the info. I kinda soured on KP, because I ended up unintentionally overclocking. I'm sure it was something dumb I did, but if I don't really get any extra functionallity from KP, I'll just stick with the stock kernel. | 23:29 |
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| Luke-Jr | ahahahaha | 23:36 |
| Luke-Jr | I forgot I keep my N900 in my N810 case | 23:36 |
| Luke-Jr | <.< | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a lot of extra funcionality in KP. *extra* functionality, not improved funcionality. If you ned anyof those extras, you'll probably notice that | 23:37 |
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| vi__ | there is free wifi in frankfurt airport. | 23:39 |
| vi__ | just need a little mac spoofing is all. | 23:39 |
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| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer05, Yeah, I've seen some lists of extra functionality, but nothing I need. Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise, but I see no need for iptables, etc. | 23:41 |
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| vi__ | more MHz==MOAR POWUH | 23:44 |
| Drathir | vi__: moar what? | 23:45 |
| Drathir | some kind of fast kill the phone? | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | basically yes | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~omap-oc | 23:50 |
| infobot | methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | CPU livetime at 500MHz: 50k hours. at 600MHz: 10k h. at 800MHz: probabaly 1000 h or less | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after that operation time 5..7 percent will show defects | 23:55 |
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