| vi_ | Do I have to use nandsim? | 00:00 |
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| Pali | $ modprobe nandsim first_id_byte=0x20 second_id_byte=0xaa third_id_byte=0x00 fourth_id_byte=0x15 parts=1,3,2,16,16,2010 && modprobe mtdblock && dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtdblock5 bs=2048 && rmmod mtdblock && modprobe ubi && ubiattach -m 0 && mkdir /mnt/n900 && mount ubi:rootfs /mnt/n900 -t ubifs | 00:01 |
| Pali | replace rootfs.jffs2 and /mnt/n900 | 00:01 |
| vi_ | whoa, a one liner. | 00:01 |
| vi_ | I was not expecting that! | 00:01 |
| Pali | when you finish, correct umount is: $ umount /mnt/n900 && ubidetach -m 0 && rmmod nandsim && rmmod ubifs && rmmod ubi | 00:02 |
| Pali | all run as root | 00:02 |
| vi_ | I only need to mount it once to get the filesystem out. | 00:03 |
| vi_ | I am able to roll my own rootfs fiasco images. | 00:03 |
| vi_ | Pali: dd: writing `/dev/mtdblock5': No space left on device | 00:05 |
| vi_ | This is what I get when I try the examples I find on th elinux-mtd pages. | 00:06 |
| Pali | to generate new ubifs image (from dir /mnt/n900) use this: mkfs.ubifs -m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047 -r /mnt/n900/ rootfs.raw && echo -e '[rootfs]\nmode=ubi\nimage=rootfs.raw\nvol_id=0\nvol_size=160MiB\nvol_type=dynamic\nvol_name=rootfs\nvol_flags=autoresize\nvol_alignment=1' > cfg.ini && ubinize -o rootfs.ubifs -p 128KiB -m 2048 -s 512 cfg.ini | 00:07 |
| Pali | vi_, did you used my above command? | 00:07 |
| vi_ | Pali: I know how to generate an ubifs. | 00:08 |
| vi_ | Pali: Yes. | 00:08 |
| Pali | it modprobing nandsim with n900 layout | 00:08 |
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| Pali | try rmmod nandsim and modprobe it again | 00:09 |
| Pali | also check if you have enought free RAW | 00:09 |
| jon_y | at least 8GB of RAM? | 00:09 |
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| Pali | 256M | 00:11 |
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| jon_y | that was low, I thought more for nandsim | 00:12 |
| Pali | check also /proc/mtd if size of mtd5 is correct | 00:12 |
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| vi_ | rmmod nandsim | 00:15 |
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| vi_ | dev: size erasesize name | 00:16 |
| vi_ | mtd0: 08000000 00004000 "NAND simulator partition 0" | 00:16 |
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| vi_ | Pali: That is only 8MB? | 00:16 |
| vi_ | How to increase the size of mtd? | 00:16 |
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| Pali | vi_, then you did not loaded nandsim with correct params | 00:18 |
| Pali | see my above modprobe | 00:18 |
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| Pali | size of nand is determinated from id | 00:18 |
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| vi_ | Pali: Odd. I entered it as you showed. | 00:22 |
| vi_ | aaah. I previously modprebed the nandsim module. | 00:22 |
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| vi_ | Pali: 190185472 bytes (190 MB) copied, 6.44565 s, 29.5 MB/s | 00:24 |
| vi_ | ubiattach: error!: cannot attach mtd0 error 28 (No space left on device) | 00:24 |
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| Pali | ubiattach -m 5 | 00:24 |
| Pali | fix it, mtd5 is rootfs | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<vi_> ...and in other news the test connectors on the n900 PCB are NOT uf.l.)) sorry? could you please translate that? | 00:25 |
| vi_ | Pali: gzomfg! | 00:25 |
| vi_ | Pali: Thank you 100 times pali. | 00:25 |
| vi_ | I will email you a donut. | 00:26 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: It is as I said. It is not a uf.l hirose connector. | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<vi_> I want to mount it so I can extract the contents.)) I provided an URL to a terse though comprehensive howto | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that 'one-liner' is excerpt of that howto, minus the comments | 00:28 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: That was yesterday. I have had a sleep since then. | 00:30 |
| vi_ | No, I do not know how to check the backscroll when I have not been here. | 00:30 |
| vi_ | The test point on the n900, I cannot identify it. | 00:31 |
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| vi_ | If I compare it with pictures of a uf.l hirose, I see they are not the same. | 00:31 |
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| vi_ | The connector on the n900 is a female. | 00:32 |
| Wizzup__ | hey, so is mine | 00:33 |
| Wizzup__ | interesting | 00:33 |
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| vi_ | ls | 00:34 |
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| vi_ | one option is of course to just desolder the test point and solder strait to the board. | 00:36 |
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| vi_ | can I chroot inside scratchbox? | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FTW are you doing? | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | desolder test points? .oO(???) | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: Hirose? Why do you think it might be hirose? Try this: CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm FOR GSM LR | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or this: CON CMK A702-206158-001 MMCX JACK SMD GPS EXT ANTTENNA SWITCH FOR GSM LR | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bah, scratch the latter | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think it's CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Murata/MM8430-2610RB3/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtdAabcSkQOl7vkmvVIX/Lo | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: ^^^ | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beware, those test connectors are designed for a lifetime of ~50 mating cycles iirc | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those are the plugs/adapters: http://www1.futureelectronics.com/doc/MURATA/MM9329-2700RA1.pdf -- cost a fortune | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, 500 cycles even | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see, my memory, forgot a '0' ;-P getting old | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, nope, one has 100 cycles only | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, 30 cycles | 01:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gotta get my resistive touchscreen fix with Wii U. Sad state of affairs. | 02:20 |
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| sys232 | maemo is not opensource in (GSM stack ) | 02:57 |
| sys232 | right ? | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | no | 02:57 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | it's not open source | 02:58 |
| sys232 | why | 02:58 |
| sys232 | do you know osmocom project ? | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | osmocom is still nowhere to be ready | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | and it's gsm only | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | no 3g | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | no hspa | 02:59 |
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| jacekowski | and it only works on one baseband | 02:59 |
| sys232 | right | 02:59 |
| sys232 | where ae you from ? | 02:59 |
| sys232 | are * | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | why do you ask? | 03:00 |
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| sys232 | its baseband work almost in all the world | 03:00 |
| sys232 | DCS | 03:00 |
| sys232 | 900/1800 | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | no | 03:00 |
| sys232 | so You don't need the another baseband | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | you don't know what baseband is | 03:01 |
| sys232 | PCS baseband in usa | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | no | 03:01 |
| sys232 | what do you mean of baseband | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | it's that chip that talks to mobile network | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | inside the phone | 03:02 |
| sys232 | aha | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | and only one chip is supported currently (and some derivatives of that chip) | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | and all those chips are 2g only | 03:02 |
| sys232 | ah | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | and those chips are not manufactured anymore | 03:03 |
| sys232 | I'm underand | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | and none of those is inside n900 | 03:03 |
| sys232 | yes | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | + osmocom is not certified so it would be illegal to use it in any device transmitting on licensed bands | 03:03 |
| sys232 | they aimed to play their project in cheap phone | 03:03 |
| sys232 | like motorola c118 | 03:04 |
| sys232 | you can get it from ebay | 03:04 |
| sys232 | there are alot of these phones and very cheap | 03:04 |
| sys232 | maemo is not opensource enough | 03:05 |
| sys232 | jacekowski maybe with osmocomBB you can sniff gsm calls ? | 03:06 |
| jacekowski | illegally | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | and most stuff is 3g now | 03:07 |
| sys232 | with 3g you can make call | 03:08 |
| sys232 | 3G for surf internet | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | not only | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | you can make calls with 3g | 03:08 |
| jacekowski | and most phones prefer 3g | 03:09 |
| sys232 | it is impossible in my country | 03:09 |
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| jacekowski | sys232: if your phone shows 3g then call will be made over 3g | 03:10 |
| sys232 | no ... the 3g in my country just for surf the internet | 03:10 |
| sys232 | I have 3 sim | 03:10 |
| sys232 | 1 3g | 03:10 |
| sys232 | 2 gsm | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | 3g and gsm sim cards are the same | 03:11 |
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| sys232 | I know | 03:11 |
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| sys232 | but 3g sim card can't make calls in my country | 03:12 |
| sys232 | I don't what about your country | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wut??? 3G without voice? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe your contract has no voice included. But the 3G network for sure is capable to do that | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just that carriers don't make much noise about 2G or 3G with voice service, since it basically doesn't matter for voice | 03:14 |
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| sys232 | anyway maemo phone like n900 like blackbox | 03:14 |
| sys232 | it is amazing deivce | 03:14 |
| sys232 | but we can't play with gsm network | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want to play with GSM network. Not even the osmocom guys dare to play with it | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they prefer to analyze and run their own networks ;-D | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and meanwhile Harald Welte looks into sat phones like thuraya | 03:16 |
| nox- | are they going to launch their own sats too? ;) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe hardly | 03:17 |
| sys232 | nox- no :) | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | launching own sat is not quite impossible | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | some of those sat protocols are a lot more open than gsm | 03:18 |
| nox- | just too expensive | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I talked with him some time ago, when he told me many of those sat phones are GSM for the poor, technically | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | but for a teeny one, you almost have to use optical | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | and optical has obvious issues | 03:18 |
| sys232 | it is impossible .. they need to lunch their sat | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | cubesats | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't cost that much | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck would we want to launch our own sat, when there's already so many of them up there to exploit? | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | it's about $1000/kg | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think you got a few dezimals wrong there | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just remove the 'k' | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | not that bad | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | $1-10k is in the ballpark per kilo | 03:21 |
| sys232 | guys it is so expensive | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that would mean I could launch a 5 tons sat for 5 mio?! | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | it depends. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | if you can negotiate a ride along, yes | 03:22 |
| sys232 | just 5 kg | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even 50 mio seems a tad of a discount | 03:22 |
| sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 maybe there is opensource sat ? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/falcon9.php | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're talking launching/carrier, not the sat itself yet | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 54 million gets you 13 tons to orbit | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | secondary payloads, can be rather cheaper | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! they really made some progress | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | there are various programs to launch kilo class satellites | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | not really | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | launch has been about $10000/kg since 1960 | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (kilo class sats) hooray for orbit littering | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | not really an issue due to sectional density | 03:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders which asshole earns a golden dick with charging 2k$ for shipping my ashes to orbit in a matchbox (some 5g) | 03:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | small SATs in LEO deorbit fast | 03:29 |
| RST38h | Doc: I wonder where the rest of your ashes goes though | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly thru the funnel | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | also, the above vendor has plans to do reusability in a big way. in principle, could drop costs 50 fold | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a few $$$ more, you can have them make a diamond out of you, this is <1g though ;-P | 03:31 |
| RST38h | Diamonds are combustible though | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reusability failed boldly with space shuttle | 03:32 |
| RST38h | Doc: Not because of the idea flows though | 03:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | the shuttle was a hideously compromised design. | 03:32 |
| RST38h | Doc: Mostly because pretty much everyone viewed Shuttle program as a means of pilferng government money | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | it had wings for one reason. | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plainly spoken, building new is probably cheaper than refurbishing | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | to be able to launch into a polar orbit, and recover a satellite in polar orbit, while landing in the continental united States | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | a mission it never did. | 03:33 |
| RST38h | Speed: It did land using wings | 03:33 |
| sys232 | DocScrutinizer51 is Harald Welte looks to shipping his ? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping what? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen laf0rge | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, that must be deep in database | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: it never did the mission for which it needed wings. | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or bot is dead? | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrrr | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | see the above for explanation of reusability - it's very much not shuttle | 03:35 |
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| sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 you said he looks to make his own sat | 03:36 |
| sys232 | and he work with sat phones | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: I never said he makes his own sat | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | au contraire | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: wb | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 03:38 |
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| infobot | DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: wb | 03:38 |
| infobot | It's great to be back! | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen laf0rge | 03:38 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'laf0rge' | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 03:39 |
| sys232 | lol | 03:39 |
| sys232 | I will see laf0rg | 03:39 |
| sys232 | give me the url | 03:39 |
| sys232 | there are alot of google results | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last addr : ~laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-21 02:41:06] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : now | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: you're in same chan like him, you can ask him directly | 03:43 |
| sys232 | where is he ? | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't know where are you? | 03:43 |
| sys232 | #maemo channel | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see you in other channels too | 03:44 |
| sys232 | osmocom and maemo | 03:45 |
| sys232 | just | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not exactly hard to figure, eh? | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but in fact I haven't heard about him planning to start a sat on his own | 03:46 |
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| sys232 | maybe you are laf0rge | 03:47 |
| sys232 | :D | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe laF0rge is Harald Welte | 03:47 |
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| sys232 | but I can't find him | 03:47 |
| sys232 | give me his nickname | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 03:48 |
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| sys232 | sorry I can't understand | 03:49 |
| sys232 | :) | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /whois laf0rge | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're an IRC newbie? | 03:49 |
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| sys232 | yap | 03:50 |
| sys232 | may I ask how old are you ? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 03:50 |
| sys232 | ok ;) | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I don't want to know | 03:51 |
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| sys232 | LaF0rge | 03:51 |
| sys232 | lol | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: /join #osmocom | 03:51 |
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| sys232 | :D | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | laf<tab> | 03:51 |
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| sys232 | ah | 03:52 |
| sys232 | finally I find hiim | 03:52 |
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| sys232 | he is genuis | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, first of all he's a nice guy and a friend | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and an ex-colleague | 03:53 |
| sys232 | so you are student | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why that now? | 03:54 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: got mindblown :P | 03:54 |
| sys232 | merlin1991 thank you :/ | 03:55 |
| sys232 | :P | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I might consider studying a bit more, after retirement | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | astronomy maybe | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | the Kepler results are fascinating | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | http://kepler.nasa.gov/Science/ForScientists/keplerconference/sessions/ | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | last science conference | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | it's awesome, as it's a new field, it's mostly understandable to the layman | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | well, the layman that isn't scared of Fourier transforms, and Doppler | 03:59 |
| sys232 | however, I'm looking to hack gsm network like make free calls or make call from new number that I have not . | 03:59 |
| SpeedEvil | the amount of info you can pull out of the ft of a stars brightness is insane | 03:59 |
| sys232 | is it possible | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this falcon9 is a monster - 5.5m dia * 6.6(11.4)m cargo bay | 03:59 |
| sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 oh you are retirement | 03:59 |
| sys232 | like my father | 03:59 |
| sys232 | :D | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is not possible | 04:00 |
| sys232 | why not possible | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: next year, they strap three together, and launch | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | sys232: the bugs in GSM are about privacy, and network stability basically | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | sys232: they secured the pay-for bite quite well | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | you can disrupt the network, but getting free calls is hard | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | impossible | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. | 04:01 |
| sys232 | and make calls from another number ? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost impossible | 04:02 |
| sys232 | even if I used osmocombb device | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better crack the credit card algo and buy a gold-contract for GSM | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | easier | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | there seemed some plausible sim secret attacks, if you can get someone to log onto a fake tower, and attack the sim from that side | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you'll cause both IMEI getting banned if you log in concurrently | 04:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, basically impossible, and for sure not worth it | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, depending on your local jursidiction, may earn you 20 years | 04:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Skype et al are way easier | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a flight to gitmo | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | or even ham radio | 04:05 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't know there are such harsh laws about breaking gsm | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not about breaking into GSM, but about breakink aka tearing down GSM | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for 2free calls" | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 04:07 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for "free calls" | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: if you wanna do calls free of charge, climb next phone cable pole and clip a field phone to 2 wires | 04:10 |
| sys232 | DocScrutinizer05 if you say there is script kiddie attacks for free calls | 04:11 |
| sys232 | so it is not impossible | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some of you might not be surprised to hear: AFK | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | me too, 2am here | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n8 SpeedEvil | 04:14 |
| sys232 | 4:19 here | 04:20 |
| sys232 | :D | 04:20 |
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| khertan | Morning | 10:12 |
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| merlin1991 | hm why does google searching for slush12 only yield in twitter results? | 10:39 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer51: I suspected it might be some murata connector. | 10:42 |
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| qwazix | merlin1991, their website is slush.fi but it's down... | 10:47 |
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| qwazix | but jolla.com is live with a stream | 10:47 |
| merlin1991 | qwazix: yeah, and the social media plugin below the livestream has each entry twice xD | 10:48 |
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| vi____ | merlin1991: Is the jolla announcement today? | 10:55 |
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| merlin1991 | vi____: at least the have varius post that look like "#T-5" | 10:55 |
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| tadzik | vi____: yeah, 5 minutes to go or something | 11:00 |
| tadzik | http://new.livestream.com/slushlive/mainstage this shows stuff | 11:01 |
| vi____ | and for those at work who cannot watch, you will make many cynical comments on irc pls? | 11:02 |
| tadzik | sure | 11:02 |
| tadzik | as in, it just broke | 11:02 |
| tadzik | "please wait" | 11:03 |
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| thedead1440 | tadzik: maybe because they are haivng a break... jolla.com has the same stream in a higher quality; it works now too | 11:03 |
| tadzik | thedead1440: yeah, seems to be running now | 11:03 |
| thedead1440 | s/haivng/having | 11:03 |
| tadzik | SLUSH SLUSH SLUSH is the only thing to be seen :) | 11:03 |
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| vi____ | oh god. pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, . | 11:07 |
| tadzik | (: | 11:07 |
| tadzik | live: audience is getting bored, stood up, is talking to each other | 11:07 |
| vi____ | The world has enough touch screen only shitters. | 11:08 |
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| tadzik | while we're at it, I think there's a room for improvement in keyboard-typing | 11:09 |
| tadzik | "touch screen only shitters" have lots of stuff like this swype thing, predicting next words etc. Why don't we? | 11:09 |
| tadzik | I started some proof-of-concept work, and convinced my N900 to autocomplete "are" to "are we going for a beer?" | 11:09 |
| tadzik | I think it's promising :) | 11:10 |
| tadzik | oh, there's someone on the stage | 11:10 |
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| vi____ | "android app compatibility is confirmed in QA in the wiki" - wtf | 11:11 |
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| vi____ | qwazix: o/ | 11:11 |
| qwazix | vi____, hey | 11:12 |
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| qwazix | wifi is really flakey here... | 11:13 |
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| tadzik | Jolla guy comes up | 11:16 |
| tadzik | okay, make it plural | 11:17 |
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| Pali | do you have any non flash jolla stream? | 11:18 |
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| tadzik | Star Trek quotes | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | dafuq | 11:19 |
| tadzik | they put sailfish on lots of hardware it seems | 11:20 |
| * merlin1991 hopes there'll be a less marketing like presentation at some point | 11:20 | |
| tadzik | patience, grasshoper ;) | 11:20 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik: nah I'm here for the details, no intrest in marketing talk | 11:22 |
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| vi____ | tadzik: ...yes | 11:24 |
| tadzik | Er. This entire thing is about marketing, you know that ;) | 11:24 |
| vi____ | we know mer runs on lots of hardware. | 11:24 |
| vi____ | hardware with...a keyboard? | 11:24 |
| tadzik | mer, yes | 11:24 |
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| vi____ | 'Sailfish UI demo presentation (GMT: 15:00-16:00)' | 11:26 |
| vi____ | So they are not actually showing any hardware today? | 11:26 |
| tadzik | possibly | 11:26 |
| tadzik | he only mentioned UI demo so far | 11:27 |
| tadzik | "we'll show you what you're all been waiting for, the UI" | 11:27 |
| vi____ | UI demo is in 3 hours! | 11:27 |
| tadzik | now they're working about China and partnerships | 11:27 |
| vi____ | sorry, 6 hours! | 11:27 |
| tadzik | I wonder if this guy is actually holding a Jolla device now :) | 11:28 |
| tadzik | as a clicker and notekeeper | 11:28 |
| vi____ | Does it have a keyboard? | 11:28 |
| vi____ | Does it have a d-pad? | 11:29 |
| vi____ | What about 2x SD card slots? | 11:29 |
| vi____ | FULLSIZE. | 11:29 |
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| vi____ | tadzik: what is he showing now? | 11:34 |
| tadzik | vi____: smalltalking about how awesome they are | 11:35 |
| tadzik | "we're talking with chinese guys, blabla" | 11:35 |
| tadzik | "opensource, opensource, opensource, opensourc" | 11:35 |
| vi____ | tadzik: are they ragging on nokia at all? | 11:35 |
| tadzik | nope | 11:35 |
| vi____ | developers, developers, developers! | 11:35 |
| tadzik | oh and "we're so awesome we port Sailfish to new hardware overnight" | 11:35 |
| vi____ | open source like open source or open source like maemo? | 11:36 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik: seems like the marketing talk isn't workign on you :P | 11:36 |
| tadzik | fuck if I know | 11:36 |
| thedead1440 | vi_ they are proclaiming the former not latter | 11:36 |
| tadzik | merlin1991: well, I'm here for the details as well :) | 11:36 |
| tadzik | merlin1991: they've spent half a year saying "we're creating new meego!", I already got the "we're awesome" point ;) | 11:37 |
| vi____ | Meh, I can boot netbsd on my toilet in less than an hour. | 11:37 |
| vi____ | Get on with it. | 11:37 |
| tadzik | now they go "buy our t-shirt, buy our t-shirts" | 11:37 |
| vi____ | what? | 11:37 |
| tadzik | Star Wars quotes now | 11:37 |
| vi____ | They are selling tshirts? | 11:38 |
| tadzik | yeah, 30€ one or something | 11:38 |
| vi____ | o0 | 11:38 |
| tadzik | oh, this is interesting | 11:38 |
| vi____ | ...yes | 11:38 |
| merlin1991 | hm I should get all cssu developers onto some conference and make a presentation that just contains "we're awesome" :D | 11:38 |
| vi____ | merlin1991: Don't worry, everyone knows you guys are awesome/ | 11:38 |
| vi____ | tadzik: What is interesting???? | 11:39 |
| vi____ | Has it got a keyboard? | 11:39 |
| tadzik | vi____: well, he's clearly distinguishing Sailfish and Jolla | 11:39 |
| tadzik | "We want Sailfish in other vendors' phones" | 11:39 |
| merlin1991 | bah joiko again | 11:40 |
| vi____ | tadzik: How about they put it in their own damn phone first. | 11:40 |
| tadzik | for a moment I thought that he's implying that Sailfish to Jolla-Sailfish is like Chromium to Chrome | 11:40 |
| merlin1991 | I bet it's going to be some f00bar kernel module and wep only | 11:40 |
| vi____ | with a keyboard. | 11:40 |
| vi____ | oh shit. | 11:40 |
| vi____ | AEGIS. | 11:40 |
| Timo | AEGIS??? | 11:41 |
| Timo | Sailfish. Has. Aegis??? | 11:41 |
| vi____ | YES | 11:41 |
| Timo | fffffffuuuuuuuuu | 11:41 |
| vi____ | lets start this rumour right here, right now. | 11:41 |
| tadzik | pardon me, what's aegis? | 11:41 |
| tadzik | oh, a rumour, sorry | 11:41 |
| tadzik | OMG AEGIS | 11:41 |
| Timo | oh, a romour :P | 11:41 |
| merlin1991 | ~aegis | 11:42 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 11:42 |
| vi____ | FFS AEGIS IN THE NEW JOLLA FONE? | 11:42 |
| merlin1991 | rofl android logo on the last layer at some point | 11:42 |
| tadzik | there was a video with UI | 11:42 |
| vi____ | what is it like? | 11:43 |
| tadzik | looked like WIndows Phone to me | 11:43 |
| tadzik | pardon my blasphemy | 11:43 |
| vi____ | is it functional or JUMBO GAY nonsense? | 11:43 |
| tadzik | maybe that was not their ui | 11:43 |
| merlin1991 | tbh it looked nice minimalistic, untill it came to something like a homescreen | 11:43 |
| tadzik | nah, the video was "the microphone broke, let's show a video" | 11:43 |
| tadzik | okay, they're getting to the point | 11:44 |
| tadzik | there'll be devices | 11:44 |
| tadzik | or not | 11:44 |
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| merlin1991 | camera is shite | 11:44 |
| merlin1991 | show the friggin slides | 11:44 |
| tadzik | yeah | 11:45 |
| tadzik | behaves like nemo a bit | 11:46 |
| entitled | link to the video? | 11:46 |
| merlin1991 | jolla.comn | 11:47 |
| tadzik | oh that's nice | 11:47 |
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| tadzik | you can control the application while it's "minimized" | 11:47 |
| merlin1991 | tbh i looks like harmattane | 11:47 |
| merlin1991 | -e | 11:47 |
| merlin1991 | s/.i/ it/ | 11:47 |
| tadzik | "True multitasking, true multitasking, true multitasking" | 11:48 |
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| vi____ | This does not bode well for hardware keyboard enthusiasts. | 11:48 |
| vi____ | Will it come with an 80x25 xterm? | 11:48 |
| tadzik | I don't mind touscreen being useful | 11:49 |
| vi____ | Yes, I actually prefer my touchscreens to be useful as oppose to totally fucking worthless. | 11:49 |
| tadzik | aaand it's over | 11:50 |
| vi____ | What are they doing now? | 11:50 |
| vi____ | wut? | 11:50 |
| vi____ | Where is the keyboard? | 11:50 |
| tadzik | SDK 10 o'clock tomorrow | 11:50 |
| tadzik | there was no device | 11:50 |
| vi____ | -_- | 11:50 |
| vi____ | it is another stinker. | 11:51 |
| entitled | they've said before they are not making phones to hacker, but to common people | 11:51 |
| entitled | I don't expect qwerty phone from them anytime soon | 11:52 |
| vi____ | But common people are retard suck bags. | 11:52 |
| entitled | Money. | 11:52 |
| vi____ | Common people cannot tell the difference between PC hardware and 'windows'. | 11:52 |
| entitled | They wouldn't survive with a niche phone, especially at the launch | 11:53 |
| tadzik | common people bring revenue | 11:53 |
| vi____ | I know, I know. | 11:53 |
| vi____ | I just wanted to believe. | 11:53 |
| tadzik | vi____: want a one minute yt video? | 11:53 |
| tadzik | there's one on jolla.com now | 11:54 |
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| vi____ | tadzik: I will view it later. | 11:54 |
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| vi____ | tadzik: Thank you for your commentary. | 11:54 |
| entitled | There's still hope they will release one later on, or that some other company make qwerty phone with the same OS | 11:54 |
| tadzik | merlin1991: I think the android logo was meant to imply that they can run android apps | 11:55 |
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| tadzik | there was some rumour about it before | 11:55 |
| vi____ | tadzik: Apparently it can. | 11:55 |
| Timo | No. Fucking. Phone announce?? | 11:55 |
| tadzik | no | 11:55 |
| tadzik | dude, phones are expensive | 11:55 |
| tadzik | where would they get one, it's a startup ;) | 11:55 |
| Timo | So? :P | 11:56 |
| vi____ | tadzik: Are you suggesting that they do not actually have a phone? | 11:56 |
| tadzik | vi____: I wouldn't be surprised | 11:56 |
| vi____ | Motherfuckers. | 11:56 |
| tadzik | one of the guys said "don't get too excited about the hardware", like in "what we're showing is just a prototype" | 11:56 |
| Timo | =( | 11:57 |
| tadzik | "what we're not showing is just a prototype" | 11:57 |
| vi____ | So right now they have about as much sucess, if not less than tizen? | 11:57 |
| tadzik | I've never seen tizen in action. So you may be right :> | 11:57 |
| tadzik | things we do know: | 11:58 |
| tadzik | - there's an OS | 11:58 |
| vi____ | It probably has something like AEGIS. | 11:58 |
| tadzik | wtf is this AEGIS thing? | 11:58 |
| merlin1991 | ~aegis | 11:58 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 11:58 |
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| vi____ | -It DOES have some form of Android compatibility layer. | 11:58 |
| vi____ | tadzik: AEGIS is part of the reason the N9 sucks so much. | 11:59 |
| tadzik | okay | 11:59 |
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| tadzik | no, we don't know if they do | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now are you serious or are you trolling? | 11:59 |
| tadzik | they didn't show it live | 11:59 |
| vi____ | It says so on their website FFS. | 11:59 |
| merlin1991 | heck we have an android compatability layer on harm and on maemo :D | 11:59 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes I am being serious, AEGIS sucks. | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I finally know why they never dared to hire me | 12:00 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: did you apply? | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 12:00 |
| Timo | Aegis sucks indeed | 12:00 |
| Pali | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though before everybody else did, and not formally but directly in IRQ /query | 12:01 |
| Pali | "Will you support DRM? No." | 12:01 |
| Pali | this looks good ^^^^ | 12:01 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: You applied for a job...through IRC? | 12:01 |
| merlin1991 | vi____: why not? | 12:01 |
| vi____ | You wore a suit while you did it right? | 12:01 |
| tadzik | What is your open source contribution model? – Sailfish OS is based on Mer and Qt which are already existing and known open-source projects with good contribution policies. | 12:01 |
| tadzik | great way to tell nothing at all | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm always aplying thru IRC for the *good* jobs | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: how would you apply for a job with a company that has not even a website? | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via snail mail? | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, no snail mail addr either | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | twitter maybe | 12:03 |
| tadzik | (: | 12:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, there's a careers email. . . . | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: that came up weeks or months after I applied | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at a time where they must have finished prototypes already, so nothing left to do for me anymore | 12:11 |
| merlin1991 | hm didn't they initally say something like first phone fall 2012? | 12:12 |
| Timo | [11:11] <Timo> Does Sailfish have something like AEGIS? | 12:12 |
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| Timo | [11:11] <Aard> Timo: | 12:12 |
| Timo | no | 12:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | merlin1991, announcement was end of 2012 | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I think they suck even if they now would consider hiring a hw-wizard like me | 12:15 |
| Skry | unimpressed Skry is unimpressed, but I did like the font they are using :) | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus they obviously seem to follow same policy to throw drivers and middleware stuff over the wall 4 weeks after rolling out their hw | 12:17 |
| Hurrian | Skry, Helvetica Light? | 12:18 |
| Hurrian | The design reminds me a lot of Harmattan and Android ICS, though. | 12:18 |
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| Hurrian | Especially the image viewer - it's almost exactly like the N9's. | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 12:18 |
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| Hurrian | So, when do we see the hardware in action? | 12:19 |
| vi____ | Hurrian: There is no hardware. | 12:19 |
| Hurrian | From the preview, it looks like they're using some kind of swipe-heavy UI | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | guys, don't know how it is abroad, bet we have a saying here - no way to make a new whorehouse with he old hookers ;) | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | *the | 12:21 |
| Skry | Hurrian: was it helvetica light? :o anyways it looked good, nicely hintend etc | 12:21 |
| Hurrian | Skry, I am pretty sure it's Helvetica Light. | 12:21 |
| Skry | freemangordon: so very true | 12:22 |
| Hurrian | The UI looks like it uses Helvetica everywhere | 12:22 |
| Hurrian | Oh, and the Sailfish logo looks like the Seagate logo for some reason. | 12:22 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: That is an excellent phrase. I shall use it in my next work metting. | 12:23 |
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| freemangordon | vi____: and sooo true :) | 12:23 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: Do you know if it is possible to use a chroot in scratchbox? | 12:24 |
| freemangordon | chroot in chroot? | 12:24 |
| vi____ | yeah. | 12:24 |
| vi____ | chrootception. | 12:25 |
| freemangordon | don;t see a reason why not, but you'd better ask someone else | 12:25 |
| tadzik | freemangordon: hehe, what country is that? (the whorehouse proverb) | 12:26 |
| vi____ | aaah. fakeroot chroot. | 12:29 |
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| freemangordon | tadzik: well, the original is бардак, google transaltes it as whorehouse | 12:29 |
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| freemangordon | tadzik: Bulgaria is the country | 12:30 |
| tadzik | hm. I may recognize the word when I hear it, but the only thing I can read in cyrilic is 3EHNT | 12:31 |
| vi____ | THESE LETTERS MAKE NO SENSE. | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | ЗЕНИТ | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | :P | 12:31 |
| tadzik | yeah, this :) | 12:31 |
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| tadzik | the camera | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | it is И not N | 12:31 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 12:31 |
| vi____ | eastern madspeak. | 12:31 |
| tadzik | I know | 12:31 |
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| tadzik | И is not in my keyboard layout | 12:31 |
| tadzik | I have Ń and ń though ;) | 12:32 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | copypasta | 12:32 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | ´n | 12:32 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | silly keyboard | 12:32 |
| tadzik | （´ー｀ ） | 12:32 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | ._. | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're trolling with Aegis, are you now? | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | URL to a proper quote or I'll tag you as trolls | 12:36 |
| tadzik | there was nothing about aegis | 12:36 |
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| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: Aegis accusation was a joke. | 12:39 |
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| Pali | do you know if sailfish has aegis (or aegis like sw)? | 12:39 |
| tadzik | there was nothing about it in the news | 12:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there only been the scary term "productized OS" | 12:42 |
| tadzik | wtf. My N900 just rebooted | 12:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 12:44 |
| tadzik | maybe it's jealous of this jolla presentation | 12:44 |
| tadzik | what was the way to check the reason of the last shutdown? | 12:45 |
| vi____ | bootstate | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /proc/bootreason | 12:45 |
| merlin1991 | tadzik: maybe you shouldn't cat /dev/kmem all the time | 12:45 |
| tadzik | damn, caught in the act | 12:45 |
| tadzik | oh wtf | 12:45 |
| tadzik | it was plugged in all the time, and now it says "battery is dead" and powers down | 12:46 |
| vi____ | tadzik: bootloop? | 12:46 |
| tadzik | no | 12:46 |
| tadzik | it was charging overnight | 12:46 |
| tadzik | working this morning | 12:46 |
| tadzik | I didn't unplug it in the last 12 hours or so | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure it was actually *charging*? | 12:46 |
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| tadzik | it said the battery's full | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, fair enough | 12:47 |
| tadzik | even 5 minutes ago | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clean battery contacts | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: though I think I got you wrong - it *said* "battery full" 5 minutes ago? | 12:50 |
| tadzik | no, well | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so you plugged it in to a charger 5 min ago and it displayed that notice? | 12:50 |
| tadzik | it was displaying full battery | 12:50 |
| tadzik | it said "battery full" somewhere around midnight | 12:50 |
| tadzik | I didn't unplug it | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: bme-replacement? | 12:52 |
| tadzik | no, I've got the stock thing | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no better idea here than to repeat "clean battery contacts" | 12:53 |
| tadzik | yeah, did that, trying to boot it now | 12:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might as well encounter one of the rare sudden cell deaths | 12:54 |
| tadzik | bootreason says sw_rst | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where battery has a semi decent capacity, and correct voltage, but way too high impedance, so voltage drops way too low when high load applied | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sw_rst is a but fuzzy | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bit* | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just means the sw decided to reboot | 12:56 |
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| tadzik | yeah | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so at least it wasn't wd or power button | 12:56 |
| tadzik | so it may have thought "oh, battery low" | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 12:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you by any chance could run bq27200.sh? | 12:57 |
| tadzik | I can try | 12:57 |
| tadzik | (the device is charging now) | 12:58 |
| tadzik | where do I get that? | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to run `bq27200.sh 60 >>~/MyDocs/bat.log` during the next days | 12:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: you need i2ctools installed | 12:59 |
| tadzik | obtw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHn3qp_E3_A Sailfish on N950 | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you could find bq27200.sh e.g. here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh | 13:01 |
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| vi____ | tadzik: damn. | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | tadzik, tee hee hee. | 13:08 |
| tadzik | so it's running on mer. Like nemo | 13:08 |
| tadzik | so it may as well run on n900 | 13:08 |
| tadzik | (I hope :>) | 13:08 |
| Hurrian | tadzik: it will run on the N900, 3430 has support for all instruction sets on 3630. | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | with 256RAM? you must be kidding | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | freemangordon, he did say it would run, not how fast it would run ;) | 13:09 |
| Wizzup__ | compress ALL the ram | 13:09 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but will n900 touchscreen support the HID- input paradigm of that OS? | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, I don't see any two-finger support being essential | 13:09 |
| vi____ | Since when did xterm require touchscreen support? | 13:10 |
| Hurrian | so I guess it'd work fine. heck, even Harmattan would work well enough with one finger. | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: hahaha | 13:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | harmattan wouldn't work on N900, even without looking at any problems with zooming, simply because swipe fundamentally doesn't work on N900 screen | 13:13 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: Nemo's SWIPE X extension would like to have a word with you | 13:14 |
| tadzik | nemo is ok on the n900, UI-wise | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | the reason my attempt at booting Harmattan on the N900 was because of 1) Aegis and 2) my balls dropped off when it started swapping on MTD5 | 13:15 |
| * Wizzup__ should check out nemo again | 13:15 | |
| Wizzup__ | last time I tried it, it would not update anymore somehow | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | s/n on/n failed on/ | 13:16 |
| infobot | Hurrian meant: the reason my attempt at booting Harmattan failed on the N900 was because of 1) Aegis and 2) my balls dropped off when it started swapping on MTD5 | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | Wizzup__, is that when it corrupts the ext4 partition randomly? | 13:16 |
| Wizzup__ | I don't think so | 13:17 |
| vi____ | It was swapping on the rootfs NAND/ | 13:17 |
| vi____ | ? | 13:17 |
| Wizzup__ | I had it on an external sd card. | 13:17 |
| Hurrian | vi___, yup. | 13:17 |
| vi____ | Hurrian: Ouch. | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | you see, apparently Harmattan is set up so that when the system has < 1024 MB RAM, it skips setting up ramzswap and instead swaps on mtd5. | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 13:18 |
| vi____ | Hurrian: wut? | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | vi____, yes. | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | the swap-enable script that runs on startup contains logic to do so. | 13:19 |
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| vi____ | In this code here: | 13:30 |
| vi____ | MySpiSend(~Intro_Display[7][i+(int)(timer_display*128/80)]); | 13:30 |
| vi____ | what is the '~' for? | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | Alright, testing removal of event.replace.d | 13:31 |
| vi____ | Hurrian: As per the thread by reinob? | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | mmhm | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | aaaand, I'm at hildon-desktop. | 13:32 |
| vi____ | ... | 13:32 |
| * vi____ much crunch *popcorn* crunch | 13:32 | |
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| Hurrian | ls -l /etc/event.replace.d | 13:32 |
| Hurrian | ls: /etc/event.replace.d: No such file or directory. | 13:32 |
| Hurrian | So, time to mess with rcX.d? | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you talking aboutß | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 13:33 |
| Hurrian | etc/rc(0-6).d | 13:33 |
| Hurrian | on Fremantle. | 13:33 |
| vi____ | is event.d replace for storing old event.d files for after de-installation of packages? | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: iirc it's for some recovery scheme during boot | 13:34 |
| Hurrian | rcX.d removed, testing. | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you talking about? | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I really don't get it what you're doing | 13:36 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: testing what isn't needed for Fremantle boot as per http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1296587#post1296587 | 13:36 |
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| Hurrian | vi___: It boots! | 13:36 |
| vi____ | o0 | 13:36 |
| vi____ | That shit must be there for SOME reason. | 13:36 |
| Hurrian | Feel free to remove the aforementioned directories ;) | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! | 13:36 |
| vi____ | Fully tested, out of beta and ready to go! | 13:37 |
| Hurrian | vi____, rcX.d is just full of symlinks to init.d | 13:37 |
| Hurrian | I'll take that as a "deprecated for sysv compatibility". | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chinese method of "development" | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get 100 monkeys and make them remove components. As soon as device stops working, revert last component removal and declare that the golden sample | 13:39 |
| vi____ | chinese_dev(){ | 13:39 |
| vi____ | beat me to it. | 13:39 |
| Skry | I thought they just copy everything they can and sell it as their own work? | 13:39 |
| vi____ | Skry: After using sub-standard materials and missing out as much testing, safety, certification as feasibly possible. | 13:40 |
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| Skry | ofc | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why those devices don't have any ESD protection or other 'nice to have' parts anymore | 13:42 |
| Drathir | hi all... | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not needed for initial woks/doesn't tests | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | works* | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle booting doesn't mean it will also still support act_dead for example | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or recover from a defect in desktop widgets that make H-D segfault | 13:44 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: lol nice sentence with monkey... hrhr | 13:44 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: or Li-ion chargers that are just 5v transformer with a zener over the output. | 13:44 |
| vi____ | They even have the silk screen on the PCB for the USB plug. | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's actually not by chineses development, but rather korean original engineering | 13:45 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: what is the '~' in the line for? | 13:46 |
| vi____ | MySpiSend(~Intro_Display[7][i+(int)(timer_display*128/80)]); | 13:46 |
| jaska | code that makes.. eyes bleed | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they sometimes come up with rather nifty extremely simple designs, that use so many side effects that you wonder if they planned that or found out by mere incidence | 13:47 |
| freemangordon | vi____: what is that, C? | 13:47 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: Yes! | 13:47 |
| freemangordon | iirc bitwise not | 13:47 |
| vi____ | The same C firmware that has polling a keypad in the middle of a timer interrupt service routine. | 13:48 |
| freemangordon | vi____: ^^^ | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: indeed | 13:49 |
| freemangordon | Skry: ping | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: you *really* wanna know what I think it does? | 13:50 |
| vi____ | Yes please. | 13:50 |
| vi____ | I know intro_display is an 7x128 array. | 13:51 |
| vi____ | It is supposed to be a loading bar. | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my guess: it sends data from a "framebuffer" array to a SPI attached display, doing the scanning (HSYNC) by itself. The SPI expects inverted data | 13:52 |
| freemangordon | guys, what was that SW for network vulnerability scan? it is even ported to n900 iirc | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the display expects real time display data via the SPI | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to directly drive the pixels | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: some other possibility was some scrolling text in first or last line | 13:55 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: metasploit? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably of 80 chars length | 13:55 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: You are mostly correct. | 13:56 |
| vi____ | The problem is, this loading bar is full of junk. | 13:56 |
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| vi____ | Looking at the array that contains the data, I can confirm it is full of junk. | 13:56 |
| vi____ | But I do not understand why? | 13:56 |
| freemangordon | vi____: yeah, that one | 13:57 |
| vi____ | Why would somone fill that array with junk? | 13:57 |
| vi____ | freemangordon: There is a user on this channel called spoofy. | 13:57 |
| vi____ | spoofy: ping | 13:57 |
| vi____ | he is the current leading expert in ruuning metasploit on the n900. | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | vi____: well, i neede the name only | 13:57 |
| freemangordon | *needed | 13:58 |
| vi____ | ok | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something about hell and satan? | 13:58 |
| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: wut? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, that's how my associative memory sometimes works ;-P | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course there's also been metasploit and whatnot | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, vi____ already mentioned that | 14:01 |
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| spoofy | vi____: thanks ;) I have a newest metasploit fully working with newest postgres (searching sploits etc.) and ruby1.9.2. | 15:40 |
| vi____ | spoofy: woot! | 15:40 |
| spoofy | It runs like a msf 3 | 15:41 |
| spoofy | Fully working | 15:41 |
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| spoofy | without glitches, freezes etc. | 15:41 |
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| vi____ | Any chance of uploading nmap 6 to the repos now? | 15:41 |
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| spoofy | vi____: still not optified yet :D | 15:41 |
| spoofy | vi____: I can upload old version for you but | 15:43 |
| spoofy | You must wait for PPP release | 15:43 |
| vi____ | ok | 15:43 |
| spoofy | also I'd like to ask about tor... | 15:44 |
| spoofy | I compiled arm (tor monitor) and testing tor aplet | 15:44 |
| spoofy | but I notice that tor is outdated | 15:44 |
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| vi____ | are going to update it? | 15:45 |
| spoofy | Yeah I'll try :) | 15:45 |
| vi____ | Do openssh while you are at it! XD | 15:45 |
| spoofy | .onion sites from n900 is a nice idea ;) | 15:45 |
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| spoofy | vi____: ok :D I can froward a ssh with screen session from my n900 :D | 15:46 |
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| Sysaxed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_c_BqnR_vAM | 15:53 |
| Sysaxed | looks worse than I expected... | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n950? | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with harm-rev2 | 16:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders why all '(p)reviews' always focus on what I'd call the window manager | 16:05 | |
| Flyser | DocScrutinizer05: because thats the only thing that has been released? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels like selling Linux-desktop/KDE by showing compiz | 16:06 |
| Flyser | well ... a more thorough UI demo will follow in an hour | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | show me source code of dialer, and I might be sold to it | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | show a working unpatched build of libreoffice | 16:14 |
| Flyser | :D | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not that much interested in desktop design, I'm more interested if I could implement my own desktop | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, on PC I have the choice between kde, gnome, lxde, an dozen others, and none of them is bearable without massive personalization | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on fremantle I at least have a desktop wher I can install widgets, and I can get apmefo for proper applauncher submenus to save my day | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit those windows lovers have another approach. They usually not even change the wallpaper, and rather install OS new every 5 weeks - sth you can do if and only if you're actually not concerned about personalization. I always wondered how you could live that way | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (dialer) hell, my 12yo 6210 still has better *phone* experience than dialer of fremantle or harmattan | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the only smart thing in fremantle dialer are the contact shorcuts on desktop | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's not even a friggin silly fulltext search in contacts | 16:27 |
| jon_y | it doesn't take sql select statements? :) | 16:28 |
| jon_y | nor regex? | 16:29 |
| Sysaxed | come on.. search function is nice | 16:30 |
| Sysaxed | you just start typing.. and you're there | 16:30 |
| spoofy | DocScrutinizer05: hildon in my opinion is the best window manager/desktop environment on mobile phone. | 16:30 |
| Sysaxed | usually you would only need 2-3 characters | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: fulltext? | 16:31 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, just the start of any word | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field | 16:32 |
| Sysaxed | wtf? | 16:32 |
| Sysaxed | put a space after : | 16:32 |
| Sysaxed | and then you can search for it | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate | 16:33 |
| Timmy | i have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spoofy: well, that's just how they all sell their devices - "why would you want to change XY, you already got the top of the crop" | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: I even have to add "Company:" field again, *each time* I create a new contact. How insane a lack of personalization is THAT? And then it seems I can't serach for those optional fields | 16:35 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/Screenshot-20121121-163412.jpg | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to read / view more than 5 words in "Comment:" field you have to *edit* the contact :-( | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: so WHAT? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's search for first or last name | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOT for "Company:" field content | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, so if the name is John type in the Name: Company: John | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | and forget about the last name field | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | and others | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | use the name field only :) | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq you're kidding me | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes much sense on syncing | 16:39 |
| Sysaxed | why would you need separate fields for name and last name... | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 16:39 |
| Sysaxed | hmm | 16:39 |
| Sysaxed | syncing between what? | 16:39 |
| spoofy | uh.. at the end - it doesn't matter what kinda window manager I'll use.. I prefer simple/fast/smooth envoriments but what is INSIDE the os is more important. It can be arch with unity/gnome3 but it will be still arch ;) | 16:39 |
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| amospalla | DocScrutinizer05: do you have installed extended-contacts-search ? | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sysaxed: i'm not going to play that game with you "use XYZ, what Z sucks? drop it. Y sucks too? drop it" | 16:40 |
| amospalla | it helps | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amospalla: thanks, didn't know about it | 16:40 |
| Timmy | i have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone | 16:41 |
| Wizzup__ | (repeating the question doesn't help) | 16:41 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05, well, fine.. but it seemed like a best solution for me.. | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | playing that game proper, 6210 is the best solution | 16:41 |
| Timmy | Wizzup__: better than nothin | 16:42 |
| Wizzup__ | You'll find it works in your disadvantage | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't seen a question yet | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | repeating statements actually won't work | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 16:44 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 16:44 |
| Wizzup__ | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 16:44 |
| infobot | it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 16:44 |
| Wizzup__ | that works, too ;) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Timmy: to ansticipate your question: please /join nemo | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's been the nemo channel? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 16:46 |
| Sysaxed | <DocScrutinizer05> repeating statements actually won't work - pahahahahhahaha :DD | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRZxM9rNyZ4&feature=youtu.be | 16:53 |
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| Timmy | hey pali | 16:54 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/sailfish_os_sets_sail/ | 17:46 |
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| vi____ | DocScrutinizer05: I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field | 17:47 |
| vi____ | You are aware that if you leave a space you can enter terms for another field? | 17:47 |
| vi____ | If I have 20 contacts called john but only one called john smith I can type: | 17:47 |
| vi____ | joh sm | 17:47 |
| vi____ | If your company is LXP and you want contact jane doe: | 17:48 |
| vi____ | lxp ja do | 17:48 |
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| vi____ | fil: Did you do any further analysis on your SIP choppiness? | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: that's a pretty useful info, alas doesn't help on my problem, which I'm going to confirm in a minute | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: I have several contacts with optional contact detail field "Company:" added. If the content of that field is for example "STE" then searching for "ste" finds me "Stefan Mueller" and "Steakpoint" but none of the contacts with 'Company:' "STE" | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so your example with lxp doesn | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 't work like supposed | 18:02 |
| fil | vi____: a little - I'm currently playing with freeswitch on another remote server, to try and ensure that it wasn't caused in part by the fact that the first server runs on Xen | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it simply does NOT search any other fields than 'first name', 'last name', maybe 'nickname' | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I meant by "no fulltext search" | 18:03 |
| fil | seems marginally better, but not enough for it not to just be random variation | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this pretty much renders the whole contact thing useless | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for any serious usecase beyond "I got 20 friends, what's their numbers" | 18:05 |
| fil | vi____: I guess I have to now try tweaking all the things I tried before to see if any of them make a difference when pointed at the new server | 18:06 |
| fil | vi____: oh, and in between I tried routing the calls via a VPN to see if it was something to do with my ADSL router being to clever wrt SIP -- to no effect | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: audio quality of SIP is largely unrelated to SIP "servers" (actually: registrars) | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since your RTP stream is directly to far end | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by the miracles of internet routing | 18:08 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: well, not in this case, since I record my calls on FreeSwitch, so the media is definitely going via the box | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if your far end is a landline number, then your SIP/RTP far end is a gateway provided by your SIP company | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea what's FreeSwitch | 18:10 |
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| fil | and also not in this case because my test case (which may not simulate real calls in any way, but ensures that I keep my friends) is to call the Freeswitch IVR and listen to it failing to expalin the menu to me | 18:10 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: freeswitch is to asterisk, what postfix is to sendmail ;-) | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't tell much to me about your actual routing or whatever | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither about which 'far end' you used for your test calls | 18:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, compiz is pretty nifty | 18:13 |
| kerio | (re: showing off linux) | 18:13 |
| fil | it's a free software telephony server, and in this case I'm calling it up and having recorded voice snippets played at me by it, along the lines of "press 1 for foo, press 2 for bar..." | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such thing like a 'telephony server' defined in SIP | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, sorry. Got RL stuff pending | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 18:15 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: while what you say about SIP not really knowing what sevice it's initiating might be true, that doesn't stop FreeSwitch being a big blob of software providing services (i.e. a server) including SIP & RTP (among many others) for the purpose of getting VoIP (and other stuff) to work | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so you say FreeSwitch is a UaserAgent as well? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UserAgent* | 18:24 |
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| Drathir | is anny possibility to restart video codecs without restart n900? | 18:27 |
| kerio | ? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I had to learn from Michel deBoer (author of twinkle, who now seems to contribute to IETF's SIP RFCs) that not even asterisk is a server but a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2BUA | 18:28 |
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| fil | DocScrutinizer05: I guess so (if that's what it takes to do stuff like conference calls, where the mixing is happening at the server end rather than on one of the phones) | 18:28 |
| Drathir | i mean somtimes player cant open the files or say not supported format... but after restart phone is ok... | 18:29 |
| vi____ | Fucking SIP on the n900 sucks so much balls. WTF. | 18:29 |
| vi____ | Why cant I get a decent call? | 18:29 |
| vi____ | It is always this choppy bullshit. | 18:29 |
| Drathir | some kind of freeze of detect codecs or something like that.... | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (mixing) sounds like a special gateway implementation with multiple RTP trunks | 18:30 |
| vi____ | Even limiting the device to iLBC still fucking sucks asses. | 18:30 |
| vi____ | I barely works when You are on the same LAN. | 18:30 |
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| vi____ | It is enough to make me want to throw my n900 in a toilet. | 18:31 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: although it's also capable of doing the SIP but not RTP thing, as you described | 18:31 |
| kerio | vi____: try it over PAN | 18:31 |
| kerio | try disabling the powersaving | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fil: that suggests it's doing several jobs at once | 18:31 |
| fil | yup | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for audio issues however it's always just the RTP farend that matters | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and the 'wire' that runs to far end | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: SIP on same LAN is rather tricky, esp with 'public' registrar | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi____: RTP traffic has to get routed from your NAT to its own public IP, which many routers plainly refuse to do, others are performing really bad on that task | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with local (LAN based) SIP registrar however, it should work | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since far end's IP (192.168.33.144) is actually valid addr | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. no NAT involved | 18:37 |
| Drathir | btw sip no connect to udp ? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTP is *always* from one IP _directly_ to another IP | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: SIP originally is defined as UDP traffic, though later extensions allow TCP traffic for SIP msgs as well | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not many SIP providers support that | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in N900 VoIP account setup you find that under "Transport" option | 18:41 |
| Drathir | vi____: you find info about list of avaible installed sip codec? | 18:42 |
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| Drathir | brb restart to video play fix | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc | 18:54 |
| fil | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, Freeswitch seems to be aiming to be the VoIP swiss-army knife -- I generally use it such that I'm always calling it (i.e. it's the RTP end-point from my point of view, even if it's then plumbing that into another RTP link to my SIP provider, say) | 18:55 |
| Drathir | ok im back... | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has some benefits | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc. Can't find the name of that command | 18:56 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks i will looking for it... | 18:56 |
| Drathir | now i know where to look be eisier... | 18:57 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: say that sudo /usr/libexec/dsp-recover | 19:03 |
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| Drathir | but must freeze again to check if it works and tell here... | 19:04 |
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| bullet9mm | hi all! | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: sorry, I scanned all 1049 available commands, can't find the right one | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Display all 1234 possibilities? (y or n) | 19:28 |
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| bullet9mm | hope I'm in the right place: I try to sync my contacts with google account, after read this post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136&page=157 and try lot of configuration/trick nothing warking at all...any idea? my libcurl3 version is 7.25.0-maemo7 and my dnsmasq.conf is clean (without google ip address force)... | 19:33 |
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| bullet9mm | no one can help me? | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, gogle is not THAT popular, but you might find somebody who at least has successfully done that before. Just might take a while until answers show up | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe google changed his API and it doesn't work anymore. I dunno, I don't use google for storing my contacts | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/his/their/ | 19:43 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or maybe google changed their API and it doesn't work anymore. I dunno, I don't use google for storing my contacts | 19:43 |
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| vi_ | so no jolla hardware today? | 20:34 |
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| kerio | vi_: who cares | 20:34 |
| kerio | it's not going to have a keyboard | 20:35 |
| vi_ | kerio: You are not interested even a little. | 20:35 |
| vi_ | I might! | 20:35 |
| vi_ | It might! | 20:35 |
| kerio | no | 20:35 |
| kerio | they talked about it | 20:35 |
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| RzR | shttp://rzr.online.fr/q/n950club# have you checked #JollaMobile's #SailFishOS demo on !n950club , want irc event for installing #NemoMobile ? | 20:43 |
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| vi_ | So there is no jolla with a hw kbd? | 20:45 |
| vi_ | THE FUCK. | 20:45 |
| tadzik | *sigh* | 20:45 |
| tadzik | there's no Jolla at all. So far | 20:45 |
| vi_ | tadzik: point | 20:46 |
| tadzik | start complaining when they deliver ;) | 20:46 |
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| vi_ | they say they can port it to new hardware faster than netbsd. | 20:47 |
| vi_ | So it will be available on 101 crummy chinese qwerty phones right? | 20:47 |
| tadzik | no eye deer | 20:47 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: 1234 commands inside n900? | 20:54 |
| m4g0g | hi | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: obviously | 20:54 |
| m4g0g | i try to develop application which depends on library. ButI can't build release version for device via qt-creator and I have error:/home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libkqoauth.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: quite probably related to ARM vs X86 bibary format (ELF format) | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: file /home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libkqoauth.so | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | binary* | 20:59 |
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| m4g0g | what way to develop is recommended? Using QtSQK or something else& | 21:01 |
| m4g0g | ? | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | m4g0g: the only SDK I know of to get frequently used is scratchbox | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe madde, though I dunno if it actually works | 21:12 |
| m4g0g | in QtSQK thereis emulator | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 21:13 |
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| m4g0g | you want to say that this way is more true and better& | 21:15 |
| m4g0g | ? | 21:16 |
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| tadzik | fun idea: use the mechanism that OMP uses for displaying the entry field in Music view (slide finger from bottem edge) to open the status menu pop-up | 21:26 |
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| vi_ | w00t! | 21:36 |
| kerio | tadzik: that's incredibly annoying actually | 21:36 |
| vi_ | I have managed to mount the frmantle rootfs in a chroot. | 21:36 |
| kerio | because sometimes i'm trying to scroll down and it appears | 21:36 |
| vi_ | In the state it is in pre firstboot. | 21:37 |
| vi_ | Pre auto optification. | 21:37 |
| kerio | big deal | 21:38 |
| vi_ | Now it is a simple case of adding paths to /etc/maemo-auto-optify.conf to define what gets copied and symlinked during first boot. | 21:38 |
| kerio | vi_: what are you trying to do? | 21:38 |
| vi_ | Well actually this is a big deal. | 21:38 |
| vi_ | kerio: roll a pr1.4 | 21:38 |
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| kerio | vi_: oh you mean to avoid having to flash VANILLA too | 21:39 |
| kerio | neat | 21:39 |
| vi_ | (pr1.3-crap)+cssu-s | 21:39 |
| kerio | i approve | 21:39 |
| vi_ | excellant, I may proceed. | 21:39 |
| kerio | to be fair VANILLA should be VANILLA | 21:39 |
| vi_ | kerio: that is why it will ship the stock kernel. | 21:40 |
| vi_ | things to optify: | 21:40 |
| kerio | vi_: wat | 21:40 |
| vi_ | ovi maps | 21:40 |
| vi_ | /usr/lib/locales | 21:40 |
| vi_ | those alone will free up ~29mb (uncompressed) | 21:41 |
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| kerio | vi_: can't you just uninstall ovi maps? | 21:43 |
| vi_ | kerio: People may still want it. | 21:44 |
| vi_ | should I remove the games? | 21:44 |
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| tadzik | noooo | 21:45 |
| kerio | vi_: i say you make a serious image for serious people | 21:45 |
| kerio | so NO GAEMS | 21:45 |
| vi_ | maemoblocks, srsly? | 21:45 |
| vi_ | ok, I am ditching the games. | 21:45 |
| vi_ | Should I ditch startup-progress? | 21:46 |
| kerio | vi_: where are things autooptified, btw? | 21:46 |
| kerio | straight to /opt/$real_path ? | 21:46 |
| vi_ | kerio: more or less. | 21:46 |
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| vi_ | check /etc/maemo-* | 21:47 |
| vi_ | find the conf file. | 21:47 |
| vi_ | There is a simple list that gets churned through on the first boot. | 21:47 |
| kerio | the state of affairs of /opt is sad, really | 21:47 |
| kerio | shit all over the place | 21:47 |
| vi_ | yup | 21:48 |
| vi_ | But it is what we have. | 21:48 |
| vi_ | should I remove hildon-progress (5 dots)? | 21:48 |
| kerio | what the fuck, why is maemoblocks still here | 21:49 |
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| kerio | ah fuck, those are not uninstalled by dpkg of course | 21:49 |
| vi_ | they are surely. | 21:49 |
| kerio | THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE IS WHY YOU DON'T RELY ON STUPID BOOT-TIME SCRIPTS | 21:49 |
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| vi_ | Or how else did they make this abomination fremantle? | 21:49 |
| kerio | ALSO LOTS OF ALLCAPS AND LOTS OF CURSING | 21:49 |
| vi_ | FUCKING SHIT. | 21:50 |
| vi_ | remove oss-rss-feed-reader? | 21:52 |
| kerio | yep | 21:52 |
| vi_ | 5 dots? | 21:52 |
| kerio | also wtf, hildon-welcome is in /opt for some reason | 21:52 |
| kerio | idk, i kinda like 5dots | 21:52 |
| vi_ | kerio: Why not. | 21:52 |
| vi_ | kerio: You can replace 5 dots with xeyes. | 21:53 |
| kerio | haha | 21:53 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hildon-welcome is in opt | 21:54 |
| vi_ | install flash 10? | 21:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no reason not to have all of /usr there D: | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you guys have fun | 21:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, i mean | 21:57 |
| kerio | the excuse that pulseaudio is in /usr and thus we need it early | 21:57 |
| kerio | is bunk | 21:57 |
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| kerio | vi_: what's the package for 5dots? | 21:58 |
| vi_ | apt-cache search hildon | grep progree | 21:58 |
| vi_ | apt-cache search hildon | grep progress | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: then fix initscripts to load PA later | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CBA | 21:59 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not even convinced it's started that early | 21:59 |
| kerio | the problem is stuff like cal-tool | 21:59 |
| kerio | :c | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not interested in what somebody is not convinced of | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't get it what you're just doing | 22:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: flu still hasn't passed? | 22:00 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Rolling pr1.4 | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure | 22:01 |
| vi_ | play the cynic all you like. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask infobot about pr1.4 | 22:01 |
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| vi_ | ~pr1.4 | 22:01 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask infobot about pr1.5 | 22:01 |
| vi_ | ~pr1.6 | 22:01 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.6 is the future man! | 22:01 |
| kerio | ~pr1.5 | 22:01 |
| vi_ | ~pr1.5 | 22:01 |
| * infobot beats kerio with a Nostradamus papercopy 70.6 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 22:01 | |
| vi_ | ~pr1.7 | 22:02 |
| kerio | vi_: awesome, roll pr1.7 | 22:02 |
| vi_ | ~2d6 | 22:02 |
| infobot | You roll a 5 | 22:02 |
| vi_ | BAM | 22:02 |
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| vi_ | actually, that was a shit roll. | 22:02 |
| vi_ | ~2d6 | 22:02 |
| infobot | You roll a 6 | 22:02 |
| kerio | still below avg | 22:03 |
| kerio | i wonder... do packages install in /opt/usr/share/icons or do they install in /usr/share/icons? | 22:03 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: I am attempting to create a cssu-s flashable image that does not contain junk like ovi-share-widget. | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder what for | 22:05 |
| kerio | vi_: ofc, remove cherry | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all cssu-s is meant to be basically indistinguishable from maemo stock | 22:05 |
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| vi_ | allready done. | 22:05 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: You think it should be cssu-t? | 22:07 |
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| sys232 | guys help to make my x-terminal work over proxy | 22:08 |
| kerio | vi_: what's the datepicker, btw? | 22:08 |
| kerio | still hildon-welcome? | 22:08 |
| sys232 | or over ssh tunnel | 22:08 |
| vi_ | hildon-startup-wizard | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, result of sth based on >>[2012-11-21 20:54:35] <vi_> install flash 10?<< >>[2012-11-21 20:52:31] <vi_> remove oss-rss-feed-reader?<< >>[2012-11-21 20:52:42] <vi_> 5 dots?<< is rather questionable, and for sure we won't do the "helpdesk" support for users starting to whine about WTF it got them | 22:08 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Well fuck it, I will make it for myself for fun/ | 22:09 |
| vi_ | You are killing all fun. | 22:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: according to reinob's boot order, rcS-late (which mounts /opt) comes before pulseaudio | 22:09 |
| kerio | or maybe that's alphabetical order and upstart does what it wants | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sys232: install openssh | 22:13 |
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| vi_ | kerio: cssu-t or s? | 22:33 |
| kerio | vi_: yes | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, Get:145 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free posix-locales 2.7.2-1maemo7-binonly0+0m5 [5106kB] | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the name! | 22:41 |
| kerio | "free" | 22:42 |
| kerio | lol | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so freeeeeeeee | 22:42 |
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| kerio | vi_: install decoders-support and ogg-support if you can | 23:12 |
| kerio | vi_: (also backupmenu, ofc) | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | F U SDK installer!! | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after ~3 h: | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Traceback (most recent call last): | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3026, in run | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | task() | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2743, in __taskInstallXephyr | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | raise Exception("Failed to install Xephyr.") | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Exception: Failed to install Xephyr. | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: ----- End logging exception ----- | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: Executor set exit status to (status_error) | 23:15 |
| kerio | dat paste | 23:15 |
| kerio | clearly, it failed to install xephyr | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Unbekannte Option '-y' | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Automatic installation of package "in" failed. | 23:17 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: what distro are you using? | 23:20 |
| vi_ | kerio: Yes! | 23:20 |
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| kerio | i doubt you can install decoders/ogg cleanly, though | 23:21 |
| kerio | they reside in /opt, i hope | 23:21 |
| vi_ | kerio: Although I am not sure what will happen to stuff if it is in /opt pre firstboot optification. | 23:21 |
| kerio | it'll be deleted | 23:21 |
| kerio | firstboot deletes everything in $homefs/opt | 23:22 |
| vi_ | kerio: perfect. | 23:22 |
| kerio | or possibly deletes $homefs/opt and then does mkdir $homefs/opt | 23:22 |
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| kerio | stuff in $rootfs/opt just gets ignored i think | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: opensuse | 23:23 |
| vi_ | kerio: I could manually install them in alternative directories and just add them to the auto optifiacation list. | 23:23 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, I may not be of assistance then. | 23:23 |
| kerio | vi_: >:c | 23:23 |
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| vi_ | or perhaps, this is really nuts though. | 23:24 |
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| vi_ | Include the debs and have them dpkg -i post auto optification. | 23:24 |
| kerio | ew :c | 23:25 |
| kerio | if you remove the silly maemo games, there's actually no need for autooptification, and the first boot will be quite fast | 23:25 |
| kerio | no, wait, icons are still there | 23:25 |
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| kerio | it's still going to be *less* though | 23:25 |
| vi_ | Instead of installing cssu-s/t, perhaps some browser shortcuts could be included? | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: 92 command = ['zypper', '-y', 'in', suse_pkg_name[package]] ##in maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py | 23:26 |
| vi_ | That way the user can select what they want after first boot. | 23:26 |
| kerio | vi_: meh | 23:26 |
| vi_ | kerio: The shortcut open up ham. | 23:27 |
| kerio | that's even worse! | 23:27 |
| kerio | and considering that you'll need internet, you might as well just go to the wiki page | 23:28 |
| vi_ | kerio: ? Remember the 'install cssu-s' icon on the wiki page that opens ham? That shortcut. | 23:28 |
| kerio | i know | 23:28 |
| vi_ | ok | 23:28 |
| kerio | that shortcut is also on the wiki page | 23:28 |
| vi_ | yes, but who wants to type in an address for the wiki like a chump? | 23:28 |
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| vi_ | anyway, I am going to bed. | 23:30 |
| vi_ | :Q | 23:30 |
| vi_ | :q | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I more and more lose the idea of what that all is meant for. Why not creating a proper flashable image of CSSU-T5 ? | 23:56 |
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