IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-11-21

vi_Do I have to use nandsim?00:00
Pali$ modprobe nandsim first_id_byte=0x20 second_id_byte=0xaa third_id_byte=0x00 fourth_id_byte=0x15 parts=1,3,2,16,16,2010 && modprobe mtdblock && dd if=rootfs.jffs2 of=/dev/mtdblock5 bs=2048 && rmmod mtdblock && modprobe ubi && ubiattach -m 0 && mkdir /mnt/n900 && mount ubi:rootfs /mnt/n900 -t ubifs00:01
Palireplace rootfs.jffs2 and /mnt/n90000:01
vi_whoa, a one liner.00:01
vi_I was not expecting that!00:01
Paliwhen you finish, correct umount is: $ umount /mnt/n900 && ubidetach -m 0 && rmmod nandsim && rmmod ubifs && rmmod ubi00:02
Paliall run as root00:02
vi_I only need to mount it once to get the filesystem out.00:03
vi_I am able to roll my own rootfs fiasco images.00:03
vi_Pali: dd: writing `/dev/mtdblock5': No space left on device00:05
vi_This is what I get when I try the examples I find on th elinux-mtd pages.00:06
Palito generate new ubifs image (from dir /mnt/n900) use this: mkfs.ubifs -m 2048 -e 129024 -c 2047 -r /mnt/n900/ rootfs.raw && echo -e '[rootfs]\nmode=ubi\nimage=rootfs.raw\nvol_id=0\nvol_size=160MiB\nvol_type=dynamic\nvol_name=rootfs\nvol_flags=autoresize\nvol_alignment=1' > cfg.ini && ubinize -o rootfs.ubifs -p 128KiB -m 2048 -s 512 cfg.ini00:07
Palivi_, did you used my above command?00:07
vi_Pali: I know how to generate an ubifs.00:08
vi_Pali: Yes.00:08
Paliit modprobing nandsim with n900 layout00:08
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Palitry rmmod nandsim and modprobe it again00:09
Palialso check if you have enought free RAW00:09
jon_yat least 8GB of RAM?00:09
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jon_ythat was low, I thought more for nandsim00:12
Palicheck also /proc/mtd if size of mtd5 is correct00:12
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vi_rmmod nandsim00:15
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vi_dev:    size   erasesize  name00:16
vi_mtd0: 08000000 00004000 "NAND simulator partition 0"00:16
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vi_Pali: That is only 8MB?00:16
vi_How to increase the size of mtd?00:16
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Palivi_, then you did not loaded nandsim with correct params00:18
Palisee my above modprobe00:18
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Palisize of nand is determinated from id00:18
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vi_Pali: Odd.  I entered it as you showed.00:22
vi_aaah. I previously modprebed the nandsim module.00:22
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vi_Pali: 190185472 bytes (190 MB) copied, 6.44565 s, 29.5 MB/s00:24
vi_ubiattach: error!: cannot attach mtd0 error 28 (No space left on device)00:24
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Paliubiattach -m 500:24
Palifix it, mtd5 is rootfs00:24
DocScrutinizer05((<vi_> ...and in other news the test connectors on the n900 PCB are NOT uf.l.)) sorry? could you please translate that?00:25
vi_Pali: gzomfg!00:25
vi_Pali: Thank you 100 times pali.00:25
vi_I will email you a donut.00:26
vi_DocScrutinizer05: It is as I said.  It is not a uf.l hirose connector.00:26
DocScrutinizer05((<vi_> I want to mount it so I can extract the contents.)) I provided an URL to a terse though comprehensive howto00:27
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DocScrutinizer05that 'one-liner' is excerpt of that howto, minus the comments00:28
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: That was yesterday.  I have had a sleep since then.00:30
vi_No, I do not know how to check the backscroll when I have not been here.00:30
vi_The test point on the n900, I cannot identify it.00:31
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vi_If I compare it with pictures of a uf.l hirose, I see they are not the same.00:31
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vi_The connector on the n900 is a female.00:32
Wizzup__hey, so is mine00:33
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vi_one option is of course to just desolder the test point and solder strait to the board.00:36
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vi_can I chroot inside scratchbox?00:37
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DocScrutinizer05FTW are you doing?01:02
DocScrutinizer05desolder test points? .oO(???)01:02
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: Hirose?  Why do you think it might be hirose? Try this: CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm FOR GSM LR01:22
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DocScrutinizer05or this: CON CMK A702-206158-001 MMCX JACK SMD GPS EXT ANTTENNA SWITCH FOR GSM LR01:23
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DocScrutinizer05bah, scratch the latter01:26
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DocScrutinizer05actually I think it's CON MURATA MM8430-2610RB3 SMD RF TEST PORT height=1.75mm01:27
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: ^^^01:31
DocScrutinizer05beware, those test connectors are designed for a lifetime of ~50 mating cycles iirc01:32
DocScrutinizer05those are the plugs/adapters:  --  cost a fortune01:36
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, 500 cycles even01:38
DocScrutinizer05see, my memory, forgot a '0' ;-P getting old01:39
DocScrutinizer05hmm, nope, one has 100 cycles only01:39
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DocScrutinizer05lol, 30 cycles01:41
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GeneralAntillesGotta get my resistive touchscreen fix with Wii U. Sad state of affairs.02:20
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sys232maemo is not opensource in (GSM stack )02:57
sys232right ?02:57
jacekowskiit's not open source02:58
sys232do you know osmocom project ?02:58
jacekowskiosmocom is still nowhere to be ready02:59
jacekowskiand it's gsm only02:59
jacekowskino 3g02:59
jacekowskino hspa02:59
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jacekowskiand it only works on one baseband02:59
sys232where ae you from ?02:59
sys232are *03:00
jacekowskiwhy do you ask?03:00
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sys232its baseband work almost in all the world03:00
sys232so You don't need the another baseband03:00
jacekowskiyou don't know what baseband is03:01
sys232PCS baseband in usa03:01
sys232what do you mean of baseband03:01
jacekowskiit's that chip that talks to mobile network03:01
jacekowskiinside the phone03:02
jacekowskiand only one chip is supported currently (and some derivatives of that chip)03:02
jacekowskiand all those chips are 2g only03:02
jacekowskiand those chips are not manufactured anymore03:03
sys232I'm underand03:03
jacekowskiand none of those is inside n90003:03
jacekowski+ osmocom is not certified so it would be illegal to use it in any device transmitting on licensed bands03:03
sys232they aimed to play their project in cheap phone03:03
sys232like motorola c11803:04
sys232you can get it from ebay03:04
sys232there are alot of these phones and very cheap03:04
sys232maemo is not opensource enough03:05
sys232jacekowski maybe with osmocomBB you can sniff gsm calls ?03:06
jacekowskiand most stuff is 3g now03:07
sys232with 3g you can make call03:08
sys2323G for surf internet03:08
jacekowskinot only03:08
jacekowskiyou can make calls with 3g03:08
jacekowskiand most phones prefer 3g03:09
sys232it is impossible in my country03:09
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jacekowskisys232: if your phone shows 3g then call will be made over 3g03:10
sys232no ... the 3g in my country just for surf the internet03:10
sys232I have 3 sim03:10
sys2321 3g03:10
sys2322 gsm03:11
jacekowski3g and gsm sim cards are the same03:11
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sys232I know03:11
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sys232but 3g sim card can't make calls in my country03:12
sys232I don't what about your country03:12
DocScrutinizer05err wut??? 3G without voice?03:12
DocScrutinizer05maybe your contract has no voice included. But the 3G network for sure is capable to do that03:13
DocScrutinizer05it's just that carriers don't make much noise about 2G or 3G with voice service, since it basically doesn't matter for voice03:14
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sys232anyway maemo phone like n900 like blackbox03:14
sys232it is amazing deivce03:14
sys232but we can't play with gsm network03:15
DocScrutinizer05you don't want to play with GSM network. Not even the osmocom guys dare to play with it03:15
DocScrutinizer05they prefer to analyze and run their own networks ;-D03:15
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DocScrutinizer05and meanwhile Harald Welte looks into sat phones like thuraya03:16
nox-are they going to launch their own sats too? ;)03:17
DocScrutinizer05hehe hardly03:17
sys232nox- no :)03:17
SpeedEvillaunching own sat is not quite impossible03:17
jacekowskisome of those sat protocols are a lot more open than gsm03:18
nox-just too expensive03:18
DocScrutinizer05I talked with him some time ago, when he told me many of those sat phones are GSM for the poor, technically03:18
SpeedEvilbut for a teeny one, you almost have to use optical03:18
SpeedEviland optical has obvious issues03:18
sys232it is impossible .. they need to lunch their sat03:18
jacekowskiit doesn't cost that much03:19
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DocScrutinizer05why the heck would we want to launch our own sat, when there's already so many of them up there to exploit?03:20
jacekowskiit's about $1000/kg03:20
DocScrutinizer05I think you got a few dezimals wrong there03:20
DocScrutinizer05maybe just remove the 'k'03:21
SpeedEvilnot that bad03:21
SpeedEvil$1-10k is in the ballpark per kilo03:21
sys232guys it is so expensive03:21
DocScrutinizer05that would mean I could launch a 5 tons sat for 5 mio?!03:21
SpeedEvilit depends.03:22
SpeedEvilif you can negotiate a ride along, yes03:22
sys232just 5 kg03:22
DocScrutinizer05even 50 mio seems a tad of a discount03:22
sys232DocScrutinizer05 maybe there is opensource sat ?03:23
DocScrutinizer05we're talking launching/carrier, not the sat itself yet03:24
SpeedEvil54 million gets you 13 tons to orbit03:24
SpeedEvilsecondary payloads, can be rather cheaper03:25
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq! they really made some progress03:26
SpeedEvilthere are various programs to launch kilo class satellites03:26
SpeedEvilnot really03:27
SpeedEvillaunch has been about $10000/kg since 196003:27
DocScrutinizer05(kilo class sats) hooray for orbit littering03:27
SpeedEvilnot really an issue due to sectional density03:28
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders which asshole earns a golden dick with charging 2k$ for shipping my ashes to orbit in a matchbox (some 5g)03:29
SpeedEvilsmall SATs in LEO deorbit fast03:29
RST38hDoc: I wonder where the rest of your ashes goes though03:29
DocScrutinizer05prolly thru the funnel03:29
SpeedEvilalso, the above vendor has plans to do reusability in a big way. in principle, could drop costs 50 fold03:31
DocScrutinizer05for a few $$$ more, you can have them make a diamond out of you, this is <1g though ;-P03:31
RST38hDiamonds are combustible though03:31
DocScrutinizer05reusability failed boldly with space shuttle03:32
RST38hDoc: Not because of the idea flows though03:32
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SpeedEvilthe shuttle was a hideously compromised design.03:32
RST38hDoc: Mostly because pretty much everyone viewed Shuttle program as a means of pilferng government money03:32
SpeedEvilit had wings for one reason.03:32
DocScrutinizer05plainly spoken, building new is probably cheaper than refurbishing03:33
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SpeedEvilto be able to launch into a polar orbit, and recover a satellite in polar orbit, while landing in the continental united States03:33
SpeedEvila mission it never did.03:33
RST38hSpeed: It did land using wings03:33
sys232DocScrutinizer51 is Harald Welte looks to shipping his ?03:33
DocScrutinizer05shipping what?03:34
DocScrutinizer05~seen laf0rge03:34
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DocScrutinizer05dang, that must be deep in database03:34
SpeedEvilRST38h: it never did the mission for which it needed wings.03:34
DocScrutinizer05or bot is dead?03:34
SpeedEvilsee the above for explanation of reusability - it's very much not shuttle03:35
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sys232DocScrutinizer05 you said he looks to make his own sat03:36
sys232and he work with sat phones03:36
DocScrutinizer05sys232: I never said he makes his own sat03:37
DocScrutinizer05au contraire03:37
DocScrutinizer05infobot: wb03:38
DocScrutinizer05not yet03:38
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!03:38
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DocScrutinizer05infobot: wb03:38
infobotIt's great to be back!03:38
DocScrutinizer05~seen laf0rge03:38
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'laf0rge'03:38
sys232I will see laf0rg03:39
sys232give me the url03:39
sys232there are alot of google results03:40
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DocScrutinizer05sys232: you're in same chan like him, you can ask him directly03:43
sys232where is he ?03:43
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DocScrutinizer05you don't know where are you?03:43
sys232#maemo channel03:44
DocScrutinizer05I see you in other channels too03:44
sys232osmocom and maemo03:45
DocScrutinizer05so it's not exactly hard to figure, eh?03:45
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DocScrutinizer05but in fact I haven't heard about him planning to start a sat on his own03:46
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sys232maybe you are laf0rge03:47
DocScrutinizer05maybe laF0rge is Harald Welte03:47
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sys232but I can't find him03:47
sys232give me his nickname03:48
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sys232sorry I can't understand03:49
DocScrutinizer05/whois laf0rge03:49
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DocScrutinizer05you're an IRC newbie?03:49
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sys232may I ask how old are you ?03:50
sys232ok ;)03:51
DocScrutinizer05since I don't want to know03:51
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DocScrutinizer05sys232: /join #osmocom03:51
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sys232finally I find hiim03:52
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sys232he is genuis03:53
DocScrutinizer05well, first of all he's a nice guy and a friend03:53
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DocScrutinizer05and an ex-colleague03:53
sys232so you are student03:54
DocScrutinizer05why that now?03:54
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: got mindblown :P03:54
sys232merlin1991 thank you :/03:55
DocScrutinizer05well, I might consider studying a bit more, after retirement03:56
DocScrutinizer05astronomy maybe03:56
SpeedEvilthe Kepler results are fascinating03:57
SpeedEvillast science conference03:58
SpeedEvilit's awesome, as it's a new field, it's mostly understandable to the layman03:58
SpeedEvilwell, the layman that isn't scared of Fourier transforms, and Doppler03:59
sys232however,  I'm looking to hack gsm network like make free calls or make call from new number that I have not .03:59
SpeedEvilthe amount of info you can pull out of the ft of a stars brightness is insane03:59
sys232is it possible03:59
DocScrutinizer05this falcon9 is a monster - 5.5m dia * 6.6(11.4)m cargo bay03:59
sys232DocScrutinizer05 oh you are retirement03:59
sys232like my father03:59
DocScrutinizer05this is not possible04:00
sys232why not possible04:00
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: next year, they strap three together, and launch04:00
SpeedEvilsys232: the bugs in GSM are about privacy, and network stability basically04:00
SpeedEvilsys232: they secured the pay-for bite quite well04:01
SpeedEvilyou can disrupt the network, but getting free calls is hard04:01
SpeedEvilI'm unsure.04:01
sys232and make calls from another number ?04:01
DocScrutinizer05almost impossible04:02
sys232even if I used osmocombb device04:02
DocScrutinizer05better crack the credit card algo and buy a gold-contract for GSM04:02
SpeedEvilthere seemed some plausible sim secret attacks, if you can get someone to log onto a fake tower, and attack the sim from that side04:03
DocScrutinizer05but then, you'll cause both IMEI getting banned if you log in concurrently04:03
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DocScrutinizer05so, basically impossible, and for sure not worth it04:04
DocScrutinizer05and, depending on your local jursidiction, may earn you 20 years04:05
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SpeedEvilSkype et al are way easier04:05
DocScrutinizer05or a flight to gitmo04:05
SpeedEvilor even ham radio04:05
merlin1991I didn't know there are such harsh laws about breaking gsm04:05
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DocScrutinizer05not about breaking into GSM, but about breakink aka tearing down GSM04:06
DocScrutinizer05which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for 2free calls"04:07
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: which is the most likely result of such script kiddie "attacks" for "free calls"04:07
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DocScrutinizer05sys232: if you wanna do calls free of charge, climb next phone cable pole and clip a field phone to 2 wires04:10
sys232DocScrutinizer05 if you say there is script kiddie attacks for free calls04:11
sys232so it is not impossible04:11
DocScrutinizer05some of you might not be surprised to hear: AFK04:11
SpeedEvilme too, 2am here04:12
DocScrutinizer05n8 SpeedEvil04:14
sys2324:19 here04:20
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Drathirmiredo also is needed for ipv6?05:04
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merlin1991hm why does google searching for slush12 only yield in twitter results?10:39
vi____DocScrutinizer51: I suspected it might be some murata connector.10:42
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qwazixmerlin1991, their website is but it's down...10:47
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qwazixbut is live with a stream10:47
merlin1991qwazix: yeah, and the social media plugin below the livestream has each entry twice xD10:48
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vi____merlin1991: Is the jolla announcement today?10:55
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merlin1991vi____: at least the have varius post that look like "#T-5"10:55
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tadzikvi____: yeah, 5 minutes to go or something11:00
tadzik this shows stuff11:01
vi____and for those at work who cannot watch, you will make many cynical comments on irc pls?11:02
tadzikas in, it just broke11:02
tadzik"please wait"11:03
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thedead1440tadzik: maybe because they are haivng a break... has the same stream in a higher quality; it works now too11:03
tadzikthedead1440: yeah, seems to be running now11:03
tadzikSLUSH SLUSH SLUSH is the only thing to be seen :)11:03
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vi____oh god. pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, pls have a kbd, .11:07
tadziklive: audience is getting bored, stood up, is talking to each other11:07
vi____The world has enough touch screen only shitters.11:08
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tadzikwhile we're at it, I think there's a room for improvement in keyboard-typing11:09
tadzik"touch screen only shitters" have lots of stuff like this swype thing, predicting next words etc. Why don't we?11:09
tadzikI started some proof-of-concept work, and convinced my N900 to autocomplete "are" to "are we going for a beer?"11:09
tadzikI think it's promising :)11:10
tadzikoh, there's someone on the stage11:10
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vi____"android app compatibility is confirmed in QA in the wiki" - wtf11:11
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vi____qwazix: o/11:11
qwazixvi____, hey11:12
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qwazixwifi is really flakey here...11:13
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tadzikJolla guy comes up11:16
tadzikokay, make it plural11:17
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Palido you have any non flash jolla stream?11:18
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tadzikStar Trek quotes11:19
tadzikthey put sailfish on lots of hardware it seems11:20
* merlin1991 hopes there'll be a less marketing like presentation at some point11:20
tadzikpatience, grasshoper ;)11:20
merlin1991tadzik: nah I'm here for the details, no intrest in marketing talk11:22
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vi____tadzik: ...yes11:24
tadzikEr. This entire thing is about marketing, you know that ;)11:24
vi____we know mer runs on lots of hardware.11:24
vi____hardware with...a keyboard?11:24
tadzikmer, yes11:24
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vi____'Sailfish UI demo presentation (GMT: 15:00-16:00)'11:26
vi____So they are not actually showing any hardware today?11:26
tadzikhe only mentioned UI demo so far11:27
tadzik"we'll show you what you're all been waiting for, the UI"11:27
vi____UI demo is in 3 hours!11:27
tadziknow they're working about China and partnerships11:27
vi____sorry, 6 hours!11:27
tadzikI wonder if this guy is actually holding a Jolla device now :)11:28
tadzikas a clicker and notekeeper11:28
vi____Does it have a keyboard?11:28
vi____Does it have a d-pad?11:29
vi____What about 2x SD card slots?11:29
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vi____tadzik: what is he showing now?11:34
tadzikvi____: smalltalking about how awesome they are11:35
tadzik"we're talking with chinese guys, blabla"11:35
tadzik"opensource, opensource, opensource, opensourc"11:35
vi____tadzik: are they ragging on nokia at all?11:35
vi____developers, developers, developers!11:35
tadzikoh and "we're so awesome we port Sailfish to new hardware overnight"11:35
vi____open source like open source or open source like maemo?11:36
merlin1991tadzik: seems like the marketing talk isn't workign on you :P11:36
tadzikfuck if I know11:36
thedead1440vi_ they are proclaiming the former not latter11:36
tadzikmerlin1991: well, I'm here for the details as well :)11:36
tadzikmerlin1991: they've spent half a year saying "we're creating new meego!", I already got the "we're awesome" point ;)11:37
vi____Meh, I can boot netbsd on my toilet in less than an hour.11:37
vi____Get on with it.11:37
tadziknow they go "buy our t-shirt, buy our t-shirts"11:37
tadzikStar Wars quotes now11:37
vi____They are selling tshirts?11:38
tadzikyeah, 30€ one or something11:38
tadzikoh, this is interesting11:38
merlin1991hm I should get all cssu developers onto some conference and make a presentation that just contains "we're awesome" :D11:38
vi____merlin1991: Don't worry, everyone knows you guys are awesome/11:38
vi____tadzik: What is interesting????11:39
vi____Has it got a keyboard?11:39
tadzikvi____: well, he's clearly distinguishing Sailfish and Jolla11:39
tadzik"We want Sailfish in other vendors' phones"11:39
merlin1991bah joiko again11:40
vi____tadzik: How about they put it in their own damn phone first.11:40
tadzikfor a moment I thought that he's implying that Sailfish to Jolla-Sailfish is like Chromium to Chrome11:40
merlin1991I bet it's going to be some f00bar kernel module and wep only11:40
vi____with a keyboard.11:40
vi____oh shit.11:40
TimoSailfish. Has. Aegis???11:41
vi____lets start this rumour right here, right now.11:41
tadzikpardon me, what's aegis?11:41
tadzikoh, a rumour, sorry11:41
tadzikOMG AEGIS11:41
Timooh, a romour :P11:41
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
merlin1991rofl android logo on the last layer at some point11:42
tadzikthere was a video with UI11:42
vi____what is it like?11:43
tadziklooked like WIndows Phone to me11:43
tadzikpardon my blasphemy11:43
vi____is it functional or JUMBO GAY nonsense?11:43
tadzikmaybe that was not their ui11:43
merlin1991tbh it looked nice minimalistic, untill it came to something like a homescreen11:43
tadziknah, the video was "the microphone broke, let's show a video"11:43
tadzikokay, they're getting to the point11:44
tadzikthere'll be devices11:44
tadzikor not11:44
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merlin1991camera is shite11:44
merlin1991show the friggin slides11:44
tadzikbehaves like nemo a bit11:46
entitledlink to the video?11:46
tadzikoh that's nice11:47
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tadzikyou can control the application while it's "minimized"11:47
merlin1991tbh i looks like harmattane11:47
merlin1991s/.i/ it/11:47
tadzik"True multitasking, true multitasking, true multitasking"11:48
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vi____This does not bode well for hardware keyboard enthusiasts.11:48
vi____Will it come with an 80x25 xterm?11:48
tadzikI don't mind touscreen being useful11:49
vi____Yes, I actually prefer my touchscreens to be useful as oppose to totally fucking worthless.11:49
tadzikaaand it's over11:50
vi____What are they doing now?11:50
vi____Where is the keyboard?11:50
tadzikSDK 10 o'clock tomorrow11:50
tadzikthere was no device11:50
vi____it is another stinker.11:51
entitledthey've said before they are not making phones to hacker, but to common people11:51
entitledI don't expect qwerty phone from them anytime soon11:52
vi____But common people are retard suck bags.11:52
vi____Common people cannot tell the difference between PC hardware and 'windows'.11:52
entitledThey wouldn't survive with a niche phone, especially at the launch11:53
tadzikcommon people bring revenue11:53
vi____I know, I know.11:53
vi____I just wanted to believe.11:53
tadzikvi____: want a one minute yt video?11:53
tadzikthere's one on now11:54
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vi____tadzik: I will view it later.11:54
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vi____tadzik: Thank you for your commentary.11:54
entitledThere's still hope they will release one later on, or that some other company make qwerty phone with the same OS11:54
tadzikmerlin1991: I think the android logo was meant to imply that they can run android apps11:55
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tadzikthere was some rumour about it before11:55
vi____tadzik: Apparently it can.11:55
TimoNo. Fucking. Phone announce??11:55
tadzikdude, phones are expensive11:55
tadzikwhere would they get one, it's a startup ;)11:55
TimoSo? :P11:56
vi____tadzik: Are you suggesting that they do not actually have a phone?11:56
tadzikvi____: I wouldn't be surprised11:56
tadzikone of the guys said "don't get too excited about the hardware", like in "what we're showing is just a prototype"11:56
tadzik"what we're not showing is just a prototype"11:57
vi____So right now they have about as much sucess, if not less than tizen?11:57
tadzikI've never seen tizen in action. So you may be right :>11:57
tadzikthings we do know:11:58
tadzik - there's an OS11:58
vi____It probably has something like AEGIS.11:58
tadzikwtf is this AEGIS thing?11:58
infobot , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or, or
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vi____-It DOES have some form of Android compatibility layer.11:58
vi____tadzik: AEGIS is part of the reason the N9 sucks so much.11:59
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tadzikno, we don't know if they do11:59
DocScrutinizer05now are you serious or are you trolling?11:59
tadzikthey didn't show it live11:59
vi____It says so on their website FFS.11:59
merlin1991heck we have an android compatability layer on harm and on maemo :D11:59
vi____DocScrutinizer05: Yes I am being serious, AEGIS sucks.12:00
DocScrutinizer05now I finally know why they never dared to hire me12:00
vi____DocScrutinizer05: did you apply?12:00
TimoAegis sucks indeed12:00
DocScrutinizer05though before everybody else did, and not formally but directly in IRQ /query12:01
Pali"Will you support DRM? No."12:01
Palithis looks good ^^^^12:01
vi____DocScrutinizer05: You applied for a job...through IRC?12:01
merlin1991vi____: why not?12:01
vi____You wore a suit while you did it right?12:01
tadzikWhat is your open source contribution model? – Sailfish OS is based on Mer and Qt which are already existing and known open-source projects with good contribution policies.12:01
tadzikgreat way to tell nothing at all12:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm always aplying thru IRC for the *good* jobs12:02
DocScrutinizer05vi____: how would you apply for a job with a company that has not even a website?12:03
DocScrutinizer05via snail mail?12:03
DocScrutinizer05ooh, no snail mail addr either12:03
DocScrutinizer05twitter maybe12:03
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, there's a careers email. . . .12:09
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: that came up weeks or months after I applied12:10
DocScrutinizer05at a time where they must have finished prototypes already, so nothing left to do for me anymore12:11
merlin1991hm didn't they initally say something like first phone fall 2012?12:12
Timo[11:11] <Timo> Does Sailfish have something like AEGIS?12:12
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Timo[11:11] <Aard> Timo:12:12
GeneralAntillesmerlin1991, announcement was end of 201212:14
DocScrutinizer05that's why I think they suck even if they now would consider hiring a hw-wizard like me12:15
Skryunimpressed Skry is unimpressed, but I did like the font they are using :)12:16
DocScrutinizer05plus they obviously seem to follow same policy to throw drivers and middleware stuff over the wall 4 weeks after rolling out their hw12:17
HurrianSkry, Helvetica Light?12:18
HurrianThe design reminds me a lot of Harmattan and Android ICS, though.12:18
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HurrianEspecially the image viewer - it's almost exactly like the N9's.12:18
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DocScrutinizer05thought as much12:18
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HurrianSo, when do we see the hardware in action?12:19
vi____Hurrian: There is no hardware.12:19
HurrianFrom the preview, it looks like they're using some kind of swipe-heavy UI12:19
freemangordonguys, don't know how it is abroad, bet we have a saying here - no way to make a new whorehouse with he old hookers ;)12:21
SkryHurrian: was it helvetica light? :o anyways it looked good, nicely hintend etc12:21
HurrianSkry, I am pretty sure it's Helvetica Light.12:21
Skryfreemangordon: so very true12:22
HurrianThe UI looks like it uses Helvetica everywhere12:22
HurrianOh, and the Sailfish logo looks like the Seagate logo for some reason.12:22
vi____freemangordon: That is an excellent phrase.  I shall use it in my next work metting.12:23
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freemangordonvi____: and sooo true :)12:23
vi____freemangordon: Do you know if it is possible to use a chroot in scratchbox?12:24
freemangordonchroot in chroot?12:24
freemangordondon;t see a reason why not, but you'd better ask someone else12:25
tadzikfreemangordon: hehe, what country is that? (the whorehouse proverb)12:26
vi____aaah.  fakeroot chroot.12:29
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freemangordontadzik: well, the original is бардак, google transaltes it as whorehouse12:29
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freemangordontadzik: Bulgaria is the country12:30
tadzikhm. I may recognize the word when I hear it, but the only thing I can read in cyrilic is 3EHNT12:31
tadzikyeah, this :)12:31
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tadzikthe camera12:31
freemangordonit is И not N12:31
vi____eastern madspeak.12:31
tadzikI know12:31
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tadzikИ is not in my keyboard layout12:31
tadzikI have Ń and ń though ;)12:32
deepy\SIGSEGVsilly keyboard12:32
tadzik(´ー` )12:32
DocScrutinizer05you're trolling with Aegis, are you now?12:34
DocScrutinizer05URL to a proper quote or I'll tag you as trolls12:36
tadzikthere was nothing about aegis12:36
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vi____DocScrutinizer05: Aegis accusation was a joke.12:39
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Palido you know if sailfish has aegis (or aegis like sw)?12:39
tadzikthere was nothing about it in the news12:39
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DocScrutinizer05there only been the scary term "productized OS"12:42
tadzikwtf. My N900 just rebooted12:44
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tadzikmaybe it's jealous of this jolla presentation12:44
tadzikwhat was the way to check the reason of the last shutdown?12:45
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/bootreason12:45
merlin1991tadzik: maybe you shouldn't cat /dev/kmem all the time12:45
tadzikdamn, caught in the act12:45
tadzikoh wtf12:45
tadzikit was plugged in all the time, and now it says "battery is dead" and powers down12:46
vi____tadzik: bootloop?12:46
tadzikit was charging overnight12:46
tadzikworking this morning12:46
tadzikI didn't unplug it in the last 12 hours or so12:46
DocScrutinizer05you're sure it was actually *charging*?12:46
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tadzikit said the battery's full12:46
DocScrutinizer05hmm, fair enough12:47
tadzikeven 5 minutes ago12:47
DocScrutinizer05clean battery contacts12:47
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: though I think I got you wrong - it *said* "battery full" 5 minutes ago?12:50
tadzikno, well12:50
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DocScrutinizer05so you plugged it in to a charger 5 min ago and it displayed that notice?12:50
tadzikit was displaying full battery12:50
tadzikit said "battery full" somewhere around midnight12:50
tadzikI didn't unplug it12:50
DocScrutinizer05tadzik: bme-replacement?12:52
tadzikno, I've got the stock thing12:52
DocScrutinizer05no better idea here than to repeat "clean battery contacts"12:53
tadzikyeah, did that, trying to boot it now12:53
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DocScrutinizer05you might as well encounter one of the rare sudden cell deaths12:54
tadzikbootreason says sw_rst12:55
DocScrutinizer05where battery has a semi decent capacity, and correct voltage, but way too high impedance, so voltage drops way too low when high load applied12:55
DocScrutinizer05sw_rst is a but fuzzy12:55
DocScrutinizer05just means the sw decided to reboot12:56
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DocScrutinizer05so at least it wasn't wd or power button12:56
tadzikso it may have thought "oh, battery low"12:56
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DocScrutinizer05you by any chance could run
tadzikI can try12:57
tadzik(the device is charging now)12:58
tadzikwhere do I get that?12:58
DocScrutinizer05you might want to run ` 60 >>~/MyDocs/bat.log` during the next days12:59
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DocScrutinizer05tadzik: you need i2ctools installed12:59
tadzikobtw: Sailfish on N95013:00
DocScrutinizer05then you could find e.g. here:
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vi____tadzik: damn.13:07
Hurriantadzik, tee hee hee.13:08
tadzikso it's running on mer. Like nemo13:08
tadzikso it may as well run on n90013:08
tadzik(I hope :>)13:08
Hurriantadzik: it will run on the N900, 3430 has support for all instruction sets on 3630.13:09
freemangordonwith 256RAM? you must be kidding13:09
Hurrianfreemangordon, he did say it would run, not how fast it would run ;)13:09
Wizzup__compress ALL the ram13:09
DocScrutinizer05but will n900 touchscreen support the HID- input paradigm of that OS?13:09
HurrianDocScrutinizer, I don't see any two-finger support being essential13:09
vi____Since when did xterm require touchscreen support?13:10
Hurrianso I guess it'd work fine. heck, even Harmattan would work well enough with one finger.13:10
DocScrutinizer05Hurrian: hahaha13:11
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DocScrutinizer05harmattan wouldn't work on N900, even without looking at any problems with zooming, simply because swipe fundamentally doesn't work on N900 screen13:13
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HurrianDocScrutinizer05: Nemo's SWIPE X extension would like to have a word with you13:14
tadziknemo is ok on the n900, UI-wise13:14
Hurrianthe reason my attempt at booting Harmattan on the N900 was because of 1) Aegis and 2) my balls dropped off when it started swapping on MTD513:15
* Wizzup__ should check out nemo again13:15
Wizzup__last time I tried it, it would not update anymore somehow13:16
Hurrians/n on/n failed on/13:16
infobotHurrian meant: the reason my attempt at booting Harmattan failed on the N900 was because of 1) Aegis and 2) my balls dropped off when it started swapping on MTD513:16
HurrianWizzup__, is that when it corrupts the ext4 partition randomly?13:16
Wizzup__I don't think so13:17
vi____It was swapping on the rootfs NAND/13:17
Wizzup__I had it on an external sd card.13:17
Hurrianvi___, yup.13:17
vi____Hurrian: Ouch.13:18
Hurrianyou see, apparently Harmattan is set up so that when the system has < 1024 MB RAM, it skips setting up ramzswap and instead swaps on mtd5.13:18
vi____Hurrian: wut?13:18
Hurrianvi____, yes.13:19
Hurrianthe swap-enable script that runs on startup contains logic to do so.13:19
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vi____In this code here:13:30
vi____what is the '~' for?13:30
HurrianAlright, testing removal of event.replace.d13:31
vi____Hurrian: As per the thread by reinob?13:31
Hurrianaaaand, I'm at hildon-desktop.13:32
* vi____ much crunch *popcorn* crunch13:32
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Hurrianls -l /etc/event.replace.d13:32
Hurrianls: /etc/event.replace.d: No such file or directory.13:32
HurrianSo, time to mess with rcX.d?13:33
DocScrutinizer05wtf are you talking aboutß13:33
Hurrian etc/rc(0-6).d13:33
Hurrianon Fremantle.13:33
vi____is event.d replace for storing old event.d files for after de-installation of packages?13:34
DocScrutinizer05vi____: iirc it's for some recovery scheme during boot13:34
HurrianrcX.d removed, testing.13:35
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DocScrutinizer05wtf are you talking about?13:35
DocScrutinizer05I really don't get it what you're doing13:36
HurrianDocScrutinizer05: testing what isn't needed for Fremantle boot as per
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Hurrianvi___: It boots!13:36
vi____That shit must be there for SOME reason.13:36
HurrianFeel free to remove the aforementioned directories ;)13:36
vi____Fully tested, out of beta and ready to go!13:37
Hurrianvi____, rcX.d is just full of symlinks to init.d13:37
HurrianI'll take that as a "deprecated for sysv compatibility".13:37
DocScrutinizer05chinese method of "development"13:38
DocScrutinizer05get 100 monkeys and make them remove components. As soon as device stops working, revert last component removal and declare that the golden sample13:39
vi____beat me to it.13:39
SkryI thought they just copy everything they can and sell it as their own work?13:39
vi____Skry: After using sub-standard materials and missing out as much testing, safety, certification as feasibly possible.13:40
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DocScrutinizer05that's why those devices don't have any ESD protection or other 'nice to have' parts anymore13:42
Drathirhi all...13:42
DocScrutinizer05not needed for initial woks/doesn't tests13:42
DocScrutinizer05fremantle booting doesn't mean it will also still support act_dead for example13:43
DocScrutinizer05or recover from a defect in desktop widgets that make H-D segfault13:44
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: lol nice sentence with monkey... hrhr13:44
vi____DocScrutinizer05: or Li-ion chargers that are just 5v transformer with a zener over the output.13:44
vi____They even have the silk screen on the PCB for the USB plug.13:45
DocScrutinizer05that's actually not by chineses development, but rather korean original engineering13:45
vi____freemangordon: what is the '~' in the line for?13:46
jaskacode that makes.. eyes bleed13:47
DocScrutinizer05they sometimes come up with rather nifty extremely simple designs, that use so many side effects that you wonder if they planned that or found out by mere incidence13:47
freemangordonvi____: what is that, C?13:47
vi____freemangordon: Yes!13:47
freemangordoniirc bitwise not13:47
vi____The same C firmware that has polling a keypad in the middle of a timer interrupt service routine.13:48
freemangordonvi____: ^^^13:48
DocScrutinizer05jaska: indeed13:49
freemangordonSkry: ping13:49
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: you *really* wanna know what I think it does?13:50
vi____Yes please.13:50
vi____I know intro_display is an 7x128 array.13:51
vi____It is supposed to be a loading bar.13:51
DocScrutinizer05my guess: it sends data from a "framebuffer" array to a SPI attached display, doing the scanning (HSYNC) by itself. The SPI expects inverted data13:52
freemangordonguys, what was that SW for network vulnerability scan? it is even ported to n900 iirc13:52
DocScrutinizer05and of course the display expects real time display data via the SPI13:53
DocScrutinizer05to directly drive the pixels13:53
DocScrutinizer05vi____: some other possibility was some scrolling text in first or last line13:55
vi____freemangordon: metasploit?13:55
DocScrutinizer05probably of 80 chars length13:55
vi____DocScrutinizer05: You are mostly correct.13:56
vi____The problem is, this loading bar is full of junk.13:56
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vi____Looking at the array that contains the data, I can confirm it is full of junk.13:56
vi____But I do not understand why?13:56
freemangordonvi____: yeah, that one13:57
vi____Why would somone fill that array with junk?13:57
vi____freemangordon: There is a user on this channel called spoofy.13:57
vi____spoofy: ping13:57
vi____he is the current leading expert in ruuning metasploit on the n900.13:57
freemangordonvi____: well, i neede the name only13:57
DocScrutinizer05something about hell and satan?13:58
vi____DocScrutinizer05: wut?13:58
DocScrutinizer05sorry, that's how my associative memory sometimes works ;-P13:59
DocScrutinizer05of course there's also been metasploit and whatnot14:01
DocScrutinizer05ooh, vi____ already mentioned that14:01
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spoofyvi____: thanks ;) I have a newest metasploit fully working with newest postgres (searching sploits etc.) and ruby1.9.2.15:40
vi____spoofy: woot!15:40
spoofyIt runs like a msf 315:41
spoofyFully working15:41
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spoofywithout glitches, freezes etc.15:41
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vi____Any chance of uploading nmap 6 to the repos now?15:41
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spoofyvi____: still not optified yet :D15:41
spoofyvi____: I can upload old version for you but15:43
spoofyYou must wait for PPP release15:43
spoofyalso I'd like to ask about tor...15:44
spoofyI compiled arm (tor monitor) and testing tor aplet15:44
spoofybut I notice that tor is outdated15:44
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vi____are going to update it?15:45
spoofyYeah I'll try :)15:45
vi____Do openssh while you are at it! XD15:45
spoofy.onion sites from n900 is a nice idea ;)15:45
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spoofyvi____: ok :D I can froward a ssh with screen session from my n900 :D15:46
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Sysaxedlooks worse than I expected...15:54
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DocScrutinizer05with harm-rev216:04
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders why all '(p)reviews' always focus on what I'd call the window manager16:05
FlyserDocScrutinizer05: because thats the only thing that has been released?16:05
DocScrutinizer05feels like selling Linux-desktop/KDE by showing compiz16:06
Flyserwell ... a more thorough UI demo will follow in an hour16:07
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DocScrutinizer05show me source code of dialer, and I might be sold to it16:13
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DocScrutinizer05show a working unpatched build of libreoffice16:14
DocScrutinizer05I'm not that much interested in desktop design, I'm more interested if I could implement my own desktop16:15
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DocScrutinizer05hell, on PC I have the choice between kde, gnome, lxde, an dozen others, and none of them is bearable without massive personalization16:16
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DocScrutinizer05on fremantle I at least have a desktop wher I can install widgets, and I can get apmefo for proper applauncher submenus to save my day16:18
DocScrutinizer05I admit those windows lovers have another approach. They usually not even change the wallpaper, and rather install OS new every 5 weeks - sth you can do if and only if you're actually not concerned about personalization. I always wondered how you could live that way16:20
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DocScrutinizer05(dialer) hell, my 12yo 6210 still has better *phone* experience than dialer of fremantle or harmattan16:25
DocScrutinizer05actually the only smart thing in fremantle dialer are the contact shorcuts on desktop16:26
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DocScrutinizer05there's not even a friggin silly fulltext search in contacts16:27
jon_yit doesn't take sql select statements? :)16:28
jon_ynor regex?16:29
Sysaxedcome on.. search function is nice16:30
Sysaxedyou just start typing.. and you're there16:30
spoofyDocScrutinizer05: hildon in my opinion is the best window manager/desktop environment on mobile phone.16:30
Sysaxedusually you would only need 2-3 characters16:30
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DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: fulltext?16:31
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, just the start of any word16:31
DocScrutinizer05I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field16:32
Sysaxedput a space after :16:32
Sysaxedand then you can search for it16:32
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DocScrutinizer05please elaborate16:33
Timmyi have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone16:33
DocScrutinizer05spoofy: well, that's just how they all sell their devices - "why would you want to change XY, you already got the top of the crop"16:34
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: I even have to add "Company:" field again, *each time* I create a new contact. How insane a lack of personalization is THAT? And then it seems I can't serach for those optional fields16:35
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DocScrutinizer05to read / view more than 5 words in "Comment:" field you have to *edit* the contact :-(16:37
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: so WHAT?16:37
DocScrutinizer05that's search for first or last name16:37
DocScrutinizer05NOT for "Company:" field content16:38
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, so if the name is John type in the Name: Company: John16:38
Sysaxedand forget about the last name field16:38
Sysaxedand others16:38
Sysaxeduse the name field only :)16:38
DocScrutinizer05dafaq you're kidding me16:38
DocScrutinizer05makes much sense on syncing16:39
Sysaxedwhy would you need separate fields for name and last name...16:39
Sysaxedsyncing between what?16:39
spoofyuh.. at the end - it doesn't matter what kinda window manager I'll use.. I prefer simple/fast/smooth envoriments but what is INSIDE the os is more important. It can be arch with unity/gnome3 but it will be still arch ;)16:39
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amospallaDocScrutinizer05: do you have installed extended-contacts-search  ?16:40
DocScrutinizer05Sysaxed: i'm not going to play that game with you "use XYZ, what Z sucks? drop it. Y sucks too? drop it"16:40
amospallait helps16:40
DocScrutinizer05amospalla: thanks, didn't know about it16:40
Timmyi have installed latest image of nemo on my sdcard. when i try to boot into it from uboot by pali it shows the information of the kernel and then after a little while it turns off the phone16:41
Wizzup__(repeating the question doesn't help)16:41
SysaxedDocScrutinizer05, well, fine.. but it seemed like a best solution for me..16:41
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DocScrutinizer05playing that game proper, 6210 is the best solution16:41
TimmyWizzup__: better than nothin16:42
Wizzup__You'll find it works in your disadvantage16:42
DocScrutinizer05I haven't seen a question yet16:43
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DocScrutinizer05repeating statements actually won't work16:43
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.16:44
infobotit has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
Wizzup__that works, too ;)16:44
DocScrutinizer05Timmy: to ansticipate your question: please /join nemo16:45
DocScrutinizer05what's been the nemo channel?16:46
Sysaxed<DocScrutinizer05> repeating statements actually won't work - pahahahahhahaha :DD16:47
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Timmyhey pali16:54
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vi____DocScrutinizer05: I friggin don't see a way to search for my company contacts, since the criterion is 3 letters under "Company:" extended field17:47
vi____You are aware that if you leave a space you can enter terms for another field?17:47
vi____If I have 20 contacts called john but only one called john smith I can type:17:47
vi____joh sm17:47
vi____If your company is LXP and you want contact jane doe:17:48
vi____lxp ja do17:48
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vi____fil: Did you do any further analysis on your SIP choppiness?17:54
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: that's a pretty useful info, alas doesn't help on my problem, which I'm going to confirm in a minute17:57
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: I have several contacts with optional contact detail field "Company:" added. If the content of that field is for example "STE" then searching for "ste" finds me "Stefan Mueller" and "Steakpoint" but none of the contacts with 'Company:' "STE"18:01
DocScrutinizer05so your example with lxp doesn18:02
DocScrutinizer05't work like supposed18:02
filvi____: a little - I'm currently playing with freeswitch on another remote server, to try and ensure that it wasn't caused in part by the fact that the first server runs on Xen18:02
DocScrutinizer05it simply does NOT search any other fields than 'first name', 'last name', maybe 'nickname'18:03
DocScrutinizer05that's what I meant by "no fulltext search"18:03
filseems marginally better, but not enough for it not to just be random variation18:03
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DocScrutinizer05this pretty much renders the whole contact thing useless18:05
DocScrutinizer05for any serious usecase beyond "I got 20 friends, what's their numbers"18:05
filvi____: I guess I have to now try tweaking all the things I tried before to see if any of them make a difference when pointed at the new server18:06
filvi____: oh, and in between I tried routing the calls via a VPN to see if it was something to do with my ADSL router being to clever wrt SIP -- to no effect18:07
DocScrutinizer05fil: audio quality of SIP is largely unrelated to SIP "servers" (actually: registrars)18:07
DocScrutinizer05since your RTP stream is directly to far end18:08
DocScrutinizer05by the miracles of internet routing18:08
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filDocScrutinizer05: well, not in this case, since I record my calls on FreeSwitch, so the media is definitely going via the box18:09
DocScrutinizer05if your far end is a landline number, then your SIP/RTP far end is a gateway provided by your SIP company18:09
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no idea what's FreeSwitch18:10
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filand also not in this case because my test case (which may not simulate real calls in any way, but ensures that I keep my friends) is to call the Freeswitch IVR and listen to it failing to expalin the menu to me18:10
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filDocScrutinizer05: freeswitch is to asterisk, what postfix is to sendmail ;-)18:11
DocScrutinizer05doesn't tell much to me about your actual routing or whatever18:12
DocScrutinizer05neither about which 'far end' you used for your test calls18:13
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair, compiz is pretty nifty18:13
kerio(re: showing off linux)18:13
filit's a free software telephony server, and in this case I'm calling it up and having recorded voice snippets played at me by it, along the lines of "press 1 for foo, press 2 for bar..."18:13
DocScrutinizer05there's no such thing like a 'telephony server' defined in SIP18:14
DocScrutinizer05well, sorry. Got RL stuff pending18:15
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filDocScrutinizer05: while what you say about SIP not really knowing what sevice it's initiating might be true, that doesn't stop FreeSwitch being a big blob of software providing services (i.e. a server) including SIP & RTP (among many others) for the purpose of getting VoIP (and other stuff) to work18:19
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DocScrutinizer05mhm, so you say FreeSwitch is a UaserAgent as well?18:24
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Drathiris anny possibility to restart video codecs without restart n900?18:27
DocScrutinizer05btw I had to learn from Michel deBoer (author of twinkle, who now seems to contribute to IETF's SIP RFCs) that not even asterisk is a server but a
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filDocScrutinizer05: I guess so (if that's what it takes to do stuff like conference calls, where the mixing is happening at the server end rather than on one of the phones)18:28
Drathiri mean somtimes player cant open the files or say not supported format... but after restart phone is ok...18:29
vi____Fucking SIP on the n900 sucks so much balls. WTF.18:29
vi____Why cant I get a decent call?18:29
vi____It is always this choppy bullshit.18:29
Drathirsome kind of freeze of detect codecs or something like that....18:29
DocScrutinizer05(mixing) sounds like a special gateway implementation with multiple RTP trunks18:30
vi____Even limiting the device to iLBC still fucking sucks asses.18:30
vi____I barely works when You are on the same LAN.18:30
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vi____It is enough to make me want to throw my n900 in a toilet.18:31
filDocScrutinizer05: although it's also capable of doing the SIP but not RTP thing, as you described18:31
keriovi____: try it over PAN18:31
keriotry disabling the powersaving18:31
DocScrutinizer05fil: that suggests it's doing several jobs at once18:31
DocScrutinizer05for audio issues however it's always just the RTP farend that matters18:32
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DocScrutinizer05and the 'wire' that runs to far end18:32
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: SIP on same LAN is rather tricky, esp with 'public' registrar18:33
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DocScrutinizer05vi____: RTP traffic has to get routed from your NAT to its own public IP, which many routers plainly refuse to do, others are performing really bad on that task18:34
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DocScrutinizer05with local (LAN based) SIP registrar however, it should work18:36
DocScrutinizer05since far end's IP ( is actually valid addr18:37
DocScrutinizer05I.E. no NAT involved18:37
Drathirbtw sip no connect to udp ?18:37
DocScrutinizer05RTP is *always* from one IP _directly_ to another IP18:38
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: sorry?18:38
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: SIP originally is defined as UDP traffic, though later extensions allow TCP traffic for SIP msgs as well18:39
DocScrutinizer05not many SIP providers support that18:39
DocScrutinizer05in N900 VoIP account setup you find that under "Transport" option18:41
Drathirvi____: you find info about list of avaible installed sip codec?18:42
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Drathirbrb restart to video play fix18:49
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc18:54
filDocScrutinizer05: yeah, Freeswitch seems to be aiming to be the VoIP swiss-army knife -- I generally use it such that I'm always calling it (i.e. it's the RTP end-point from my point of view, even if it's then plumbing that into another RTP link to my SIP provider, say)18:55
Drathirok im back...18:56
DocScrutinizer05has some benefits18:56
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: there's some "reset-dsp" or whatever iirc. Can't find the name of that command18:56
DrathirDocScrutinizer05: thanks i will looking for it...18:56
Drathirnow i know where to look be eisier...18:57
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: say that sudo /usr/libexec/dsp-recover19:03
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Drathirbut must freeze again to check if it works and tell here...19:04
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bullet9mmhi all!19:27
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: sorry, I scanned all 1049 available commands, can't find the right one19:27
DocScrutinizer05Display all 1234 possibilities? (y or n)19:28
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bullet9mmhope I'm in the right place: I try to sync my contacts with google account, after read this post and try lot of configuration/trick nothing warking at all...any idea? my libcurl3 version is 7.25.0-maemo7 and my dnsmasq.conf is clean (without google ip address force)...19:33
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bullet9mmno one can help me?19:39
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DocScrutinizer05well, gogle is not THAT popular, but you might find somebody who at least has successfully done that before. Just might take a while until answers show up19:42
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe google changed his API and it doesn't work anymore. I dunno, I don't use google for storing my contacts19:43
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: or maybe google changed their API and it doesn't work anymore. I dunno, I don't use google for storing my contacts19:43
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vi_so no jolla hardware today?20:34
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keriovi_: who cares20:34
kerioit's not going to have a keyboard20:35
vi_kerio: You are not interested even a little.20:35
vi_I might!20:35
vi_It might!20:35
keriothey talked about it20:35
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RzRs have you checked #JollaMobile's #SailFishOS demo on !n950club , want irc event for installing #NemoMobile ?20:43
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vi_So there is no jolla with a hw kbd?20:45
vi_THE FUCK.20:45
tadzikthere's no Jolla at all. So far20:45
vi_tadzik: point20:46
tadzikstart complaining when they deliver ;)20:46
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vi_they say they can port it to new hardware faster than netbsd.20:47
vi_So it will be available on 101 crummy chinese qwerty phones right?20:47
tadzikno eye deer20:47
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DrathirDocScrutinizer05: 1234 commands inside n900?20:54
DocScrutinizer05Drathir: obviously20:54
m4g0gi try to develop application which depends on library. ButI can't build release version for device via qt-creator and I have error:/home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/ file not recognized: File format not recognized20:55
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DocScrutinizer05m4g0g: quite probably related to ARM vs X86 bibary format (ELF format)20:57
DocScrutinizer05m4g0g: file /home/magog/Programming/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/lib/libkqoauth.so20:58
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m4g0gwhat way to develop is recommended? Using QtSQK or something else&21:01
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DocScrutinizer05m4g0g: the only SDK I know of to get frequently used is scratchbox21:12
DocScrutinizer05maybe madde, though I dunno if it actually works21:12
m4g0gin QtSQK thereis emulator21:12
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m4g0gyou want to say that this way is more true and better&21:15
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tadzikfun idea: use the mechanism that OMP uses for displaying the entry field in Music view (slide finger from bottem edge) to open the status menu pop-up21:26
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keriotadzik: that's incredibly annoying actually21:36
vi_I have managed to mount the frmantle rootfs in a chroot.21:36
keriobecause sometimes i'm trying to scroll down and it appears21:36
vi_In the state it is in pre firstboot.21:37
vi_Pre auto optification.21:37
keriobig deal21:38
vi_Now it is a simple case of adding paths to /etc/maemo-auto-optify.conf to define what gets copied and symlinked during first boot.21:38
keriovi_: what are you trying to do?21:38
vi_Well actually this is a big deal.21:38
vi_kerio: roll a pr1.421:38
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keriovi_: oh you mean to avoid having to flash VANILLA too21:39
kerioi approve21:39
vi_excellant, I may proceed.21:39
kerioto be fair VANILLA should be VANILLA21:39
vi_kerio: that is why it will ship the stock kernel.21:40
vi_things to optify:21:40
keriovi_: wat21:40
vi_ovi maps21:40
vi_those alone will free up ~29mb (uncompressed)21:41
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keriovi_: can't you just uninstall ovi maps?21:43
vi_kerio: People may still want it.21:44
vi_should I remove the games?21:44
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keriovi_: i say you make a serious image for serious people21:45
kerioso NO GAEMS21:45
vi_maemoblocks, srsly?21:45
vi_ok, I am ditching the games.21:45
vi_Should I ditch startup-progress?21:46
keriovi_: where are things autooptified, btw?21:46
keriostraight to /opt/$real_path ?21:46
vi_kerio: more or less.21:46
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vi_check /etc/maemo-*21:47
vi_find the conf file.21:47
vi_There is a simple list that gets churned through on the first boot.21:47
keriothe state of affairs of /opt is sad, really21:47
kerioshit all over the place21:47
vi_But it is what we have.21:48
vi_should I remove hildon-progress (5 dots)?21:48
keriowhat the fuck, why is maemoblocks still here21:49
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kerioah fuck, those are not uninstalled by dpkg of course21:49
vi_they are surely.21:49
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vi_Or how else did they make this abomination fremantle?21:49
vi_remove oss-rss-feed-reader?21:52
vi_5 dots?21:52
kerioalso wtf, hildon-welcome is in /opt for some reason21:52
kerioidk, i kinda like 5dots21:52
vi_kerio: Why not.21:52
vi_kerio: You can replace 5 dots with xeyes.21:53
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: hildon-welcome is in opt21:54
vi_install flash 10?21:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's no reason not to have all of /usr there D:21:54
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DocScrutinizer05I hope you guys have fun21:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, i mean21:57
keriothe excuse that pulseaudio is in /usr and thus we need it early21:57
keriois bunk21:57
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keriovi_: what's the package for 5dots?21:58
vi_apt-cache search hildon | grep progree21:58
vi_apt-cache search hildon | grep progress21:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: then fix initscripts to load PA later21:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'm not even convinced it's started that early21:59
keriothe problem is stuff like cal-tool21:59
DocScrutinizer05I'm not interested in what somebody is not convinced of22:00
DocScrutinizer05I honestly don't get it what you're just doing22:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: flu still hasn't passed?22:00
vi_DocScrutinizer05: Rolling pr1.422:01
vi_play the cynic all you like.22:01
DocScrutinizer05ask infobot about pr1.422:01
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infobotPR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject22:01
DocScrutinizer05ask infobot about pr1.522:01
infobotmethinks pr1.6 is the future man!22:01
* infobot beats kerio with a Nostradamus papercopy 70.6 times. "That's your PR1.5!"22:01
keriovi_: awesome, roll pr1.722:02
infobotYou roll a 522:02
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vi_actually, that was a shit roll.22:02
infobotYou roll a 622:02
keriostill below avg22:03
kerioi wonder... do packages install in /opt/usr/share/icons or do they install in /usr/share/icons?22:03
vi_DocScrutinizer05: I am attempting to create a cssu-s flashable image that does not contain junk like ovi-share-widget.22:03
DocScrutinizer05I wonder what for22:05
keriovi_: ofc, remove cherry22:05
DocScrutinizer05after all cssu-s is meant to be basically indistinguishable from maemo stock22:05
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vi_allready done.22:05
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: You think it should be cssu-t?22:07
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sys232guys help to make my x-terminal work over proxy22:08
keriovi_: what's the datepicker, btw?22:08
keriostill hildon-welcome?22:08
sys232or over ssh tunnel22:08
DocScrutinizer05so, result of sth based on >>[2012-11-21 20:54:35] <vi_> install flash 10?<<   >>[2012-11-21 20:52:31] <vi_> remove oss-rss-feed-reader?<<  >>[2012-11-21 20:52:42] <vi_> 5 dots?<< is rather questionable, and for sure we won't do the "helpdesk" support for users starting to whine about WTF it got them22:08
vi_DocScrutinizer05: Well fuck it, I will make it for myself for fun/22:09
vi_You are killing all fun.22:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: according to reinob's boot order, rcS-late (which mounts /opt) comes before pulseaudio22:09
kerioor maybe that's alphabetical order and upstart does what it wants22:10
DocScrutinizer05sys232: install openssh22:13
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vi_kerio: cssu-t or s?22:33
keriovi_: yes22:33
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DocScrutinizer05lol, Get:145 fremantle/sdk/free posix-locales 2.7.2-1maemo7-binonly0+0m5 [5106kB]22:41
DocScrutinizer05the name!22:41
DocScrutinizer05so freeeeeeeee22:42
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keriovi_: install decoders-support and ogg-support if you can23:12
keriovi_: (also backupmenu, ofc)23:13
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DocScrutinizer05F U SDK installer!!23:15
DocScrutinizer05after ~3 h:23:15
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DocScrutinizer05Traceback (most recent call last):23:15
DocScrutinizer05  File "./", line 3026, in run23:15
DocScrutinizer05    task()23:15
DocScrutinizer05  File "./", line 2743, in __taskInstallXephyr23:15
DocScrutinizer05    raise Exception("Failed to install Xephyr.")23:15
DocScrutinizer05Exception: Failed to install Xephyr.23:15
DocScrutinizer05V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: ----- End logging exception -----23:15
DocScrutinizer05V [22:13:18 21.11.2012]: Executor set exit status to (status_error)23:15
keriodat paste23:15
kerioclearly, it failed to install xephyr23:16
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DocScrutinizer05Unbekannte Option '-y'23:17
DocScrutinizer05Automatic installation of package "in" failed.23:17
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vi_DocScrutinizer05: what distro are you using?23:20
vi_kerio: Yes!23:20
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kerioi doubt you can install decoders/ogg cleanly, though23:21
keriothey reside in /opt, i hope23:21
vi_kerio: Although I am not sure what will happen to stuff if it is in /opt pre firstboot optification.23:21
kerioit'll be deleted23:21
keriofirstboot deletes everything in $homefs/opt23:22
vi_kerio: perfect.23:22
kerioor possibly deletes $homefs/opt and then does mkdir $homefs/opt23:22
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keriostuff in $rootfs/opt just gets ignored i think23:22
DocScrutinizer05vi_: opensuse23:23
vi_kerio: I could manually install them in alternative directories and just add them to the auto optifiacation list.23:23
vi_DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, I may not be of assistance then.23:23
keriovi_: >:c23:23
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vi_or perhaps, this is really nuts though.23:24
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vi_Include the debs and have them dpkg -i post auto optification.23:24
kerioew :c23:25
kerioif you remove the silly maemo games, there's actually no need for autooptification, and the first boot will be quite fast23:25
keriono, wait, icons are still there23:25
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kerioit's still going to be *less* though23:25
vi_Instead of installing cssu-s/t, perhaps some browser shortcuts could be included?23:26
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DocScrutinizer05vi_: 92                     command = ['zypper', '-y', 'in', suse_pkg_name[package]]  ##in maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py23:26
vi_That way the user can select what they want after first boot.23:26
keriovi_: meh23:26
vi_kerio: The shortcut open up ham.23:27
keriothat's even worse!23:27
kerioand considering that you'll need internet, you might as well just go to the wiki page23:28
vi_kerio: ? Remember the 'install cssu-s' icon on the wiki page that opens ham?  That shortcut.23:28
kerioi know23:28
keriothat shortcut is also on the wiki page23:28
vi_yes, but who wants to type in an address for the wiki like a chump?23:28
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vi_anyway, I am going to bed.23:30
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DocScrutinizer05I more and more lose the idea of what that all is meant for. Why not creating a proper flashable image of CSSU-T5 ?23:56
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